#assassination

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round ledge
pallid bluff
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i mean they are? 99% of the wow community is bad

round ledge
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I mean

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they're not

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data speaks for itself

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if they were, they'd be played at the top

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they're not

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so they're not good

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they might not be bad

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but they're certainly not good

hollow stone
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Just talkin about spriests, yknow, using sin stuff @supple hearth

empty gyro
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lol

hollow stone
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Usual*

lone junco
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they dont have a battle res. so they need to be better than a warlock. by a lot.

round ledge
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^^^^

lone junco
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i havent seen it tbh.

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but they could be once buffs come through

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i guess

round ledge
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they also require a lot more skill to play than warlock

limber lion
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Saying something is "not good" does not mean something is "bad". Doesn't mean they're great either, Vel.

round ledge
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so you'd have to be a 99 percentile spriest to beat a green parsing lock

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and even then your kit is still lacking significantly

hollow stone
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And the warlock community goes crazy if spriests are better than they are. Like us when feral is better than we are :p

lone junco
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as with any other pure dps. lock has 3 chances to be good. spriest has 1 spec. make or break.

limber lion
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It's not either or.

round ledge
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but ye let's all link our out of time 14s because that makes our shit argument relevant

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lul

empty gyro
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Least they have the top healing spec

pallid bluff
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i mean they are perfectly fine. they dont bring the damage of mage or the brez utility of lock. but they are easily comptetive

lone junco
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Disc is amazing though

round ledge
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they're not competitive at all

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for all of the reasons mentioned above

pallid bluff
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i still havent seen your profile m8 @round ledge

hollow stone
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Honestly, they have the top 2 healing specs imo. Both disc and holy are amazing atm

empty gyro
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He linked this Vel

limber lion
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He just linked it??

lone junco
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seli on ghuun tho.

empty gyro
round ledge
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why would they ever be competitive if they lack in both damage and kit

lone junco
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yikes

round ledge
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y i k e s

hollow stone
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My raider io is bad, should i feel bad?

lone junco
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no

empty gyro
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Always poophead

hollow stone
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What if my alt has a higher score than my main?

lone junco
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dont let any fucking nerds ruin your day with their epeen

hollow stone
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Should i feel bad then?

lone junco
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no

south basin
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if your alt is a feral druid

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yes

hollow stone
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Thx guys

empty gyro
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You just need to stack SS with Crit/Mastery

hollow stone
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My alt is a frost mage

empty gyro
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Least you didnt say fire

hollow stone
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And all my friends are melee scum

lone junco
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its all worthless digital merit badges. no one fucking cares IRL

hollow stone
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😦

lone junco
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not even your mom

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like "ok. take out the trash"

void pecan
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Your mom thinks you're shit unless you have 1k raider io

south basin
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links CE argus on resume

hollow stone
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My mom congratulated me on 48th na in throne of thunder

lone junco
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but mom. i won 300$ in a competition

hollow stone
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She was a proud mon

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Mom

lone junco
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Dad: get a job.

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see how easy that is

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you are a god one day, then expac comes out and everyone gets fucking greens better that your 2yr effort.

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and you still have to take out the fucking trash

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unless you are Tom

hollow stone
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@lone junco big picture kinda guy

void pecan
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Ninja tag. What a guy.

lone junco
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tom came and went.

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long gone

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but like Herp, always hangs around.

dense yarrow
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so ss has been fixed

modest zodiac
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Guys I was thinking of cutting myself now you tipped me

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Cya all

void pecan
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LOL

south basin
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OOF

modest zodiac
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Well I did see that

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BEfore it was removed

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Good advice

lone junco
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its a quote from a song

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dont take advice from ICP

hollow stone
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Cut in game, not irl

void pecan
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Rogue discord, so wholesome.

lone junco
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anyway. back to measuring dicks

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with nerd points.

modest zodiac
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my dick is 16 cms

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oh wait

empty gyro
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Sooo

lone junco
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sec. need freedom units

waxen cliff
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I got sick taloc gloves last night.

empty gyro
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Vel is 2/2 atm

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Flawless has the lead

waxen cliff
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What’s his

pallid bluff
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that isnt actually flawless

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BTW

modest zodiac
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@waxen cliff I got sick taloc gloves last night

waxen cliff
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Puke

lone junco
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seems good

hollow stone
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You cant just aay you have a dick that size. You have to use the adjusted penis size formula

lone junco
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socialist

modest zodiac
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my raider io is 700 . that ok ?

hollow stone
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((L*D)+(W/G))/(A^2)

lone junco
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volume?

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funny guy

pallid bluff
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seli is probably the highest RIO that actually talks in here ever

void pecan
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musclebrah?

lone junco
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seli said i was wrong once. 😦

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but thats fine.

pallid bluff
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oof

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i can hear the pain through the text

lone junco
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then I was not wrong.

modest zodiac
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wtf

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what does he play with?

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or who

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who's #1 ?

lone junco
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should watch his stream sometime

modest zodiac
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probably healer or tonk

empty gyro
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I can't wait until they fix Garrote

modest zodiac
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whats his twitch

empty gyro
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Need more DOTS!

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I hate waiting for my empowereds to fall off before throwing another Garr up

lone junco
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garrote is worth less outside of subterfuge.

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so not a huge loss

modest zodiac
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he live

lone junco
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wrong content.

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who cares about goon

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😦

modest zodiac
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yeah goo

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who's rank 1?

lost horizon
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Thought you said worthless @lone junco πŸ€”

modest zodiac
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Speedoflife

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he has boralus +18

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WTF

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I struggle to finish it +10 on time

hollow stone
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Ez

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Watching high keys is pretty insane

lone junco
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yeah. the 35-40k sustain

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my tank is an alt wariro

hollow stone
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Pulling multiple packs, ccing ghuun adds then dragging them along til you have enough ghuun adds to just kill them all

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Idk man, idk

lone junco
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like. "Get a dk tank and disc and moonkin and lock"

hollow stone
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Too much mentalling for me

lone junco
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har har

pallid bluff
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blood dks are nutty

lone junco
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cool

pallid bluff
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i wish my tank would play his blood 😦

hollow stone
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Fdk is sick tho too

empty gyro
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Fdk is 1 button atm

lone junco
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burst is strong as fuck. but jesus he can NOT hold his load in bolstering

empty gyro
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Screw that boring spec

hollow stone
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Its one button, with planning tho

lone junco
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always dies.

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every single Breath

hollow stone
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I am having fun with it 😦

lone junco
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skittish agro pulls. dead

empty gyro
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I'm waiting for unholy to come back abit.

hollow stone
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Boo unholy boooo

empty gyro
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Or give me a nice 2h frost spec πŸ˜ƒ

hollow stone
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I could get behind some 2h frost

empty gyro
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Old school

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massive oblits

hollow stone
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Also polearm rogue 😬

empty gyro
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Now you can leave

hollow stone
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Haha. Thats fine, i was done making my video anyway

vernal atlas
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hey, trying to learn assa.... can any1 take a look at my log? very unsure if I do stuff correct

empty gyro
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link it

vernal atlas
empty gyro
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I wouldn't run assass on zul πŸ˜›

vernal atlas
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I know that πŸ˜‰

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I'm a quite decent outlaw, check myprofile πŸ˜‰

empty gyro
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I tried outlaw, was just too boring imo

vernal atlas
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just wanna know if I play that stuff right^^

spice surge
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You should be lining up your vendettas and vanishes

hollow stone
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@vernal atlas i cant properly look on my phone but i recommend simming yourself and checking out the apl; and then compare that to your execution of he rotato

lone junco
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@vernal atlas i should do that. lfr is probably a great time to practice the sub cleave

spice surge
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And using vanish earlier than 39 seconds in

vernal atlas
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okay, besides that anything`? Like I am still very unsure when to pool and when not

empty gyro
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Pool a little before TB

vernal atlas
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okay

empty gyro
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That's the window you want to hit your envenoms

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make sure to have 4 or 5 cps for TB so u can envenom right away

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I don't run TB too much, so you will have to ask someone else but I cast TB on 5 cps just to be sure I land an envenom right away

lone junco
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@vernal atlas zul you should be able to open g g g

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i hit the hexer crusher and zul all at once.

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and then at the vanish, one for crusher 2 for zul

vernal atlas
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yah I know. I wanted to go for fetid or taloc, but it was zul, since I wanted to improve my singletarget rota first, I just went for it

empty gyro
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You should be able to get 3 poss 4 envenoms in your first TB window

lone junco
small island
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What build is ppl playing except the SS one? I recall seeing some master assassin/tb build?

strong dome
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!ss

prisma monolithBOT
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Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

empty gyro
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But yeah once your Subter garrotte falls off, vanish reapply

vernal atlas
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@lone junco lul? how can that be oO

lone junco
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was checking the event viewer for 10 sec and didnt find it. but probably a parry or something

glass vessel
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been afk most of the day - is that a buff coming to SS and DD? looks like they're making them scale so your lower ilvl options wont be so terrible?

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on the azerite trait mmo champ post

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also that new vendetta trait looks juicy

lone junco
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idk. the vers language doesnt look like a buff to me.

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but koji would know

glass vessel
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i have no idea about scaling etc. but it just looks like they are allowing a little bit of scaling rather than just straight up flat # of dmg and it only changes based on ilvl

spice surge
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Its already scaling like that

lone junco
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to me, it looks like SS dmg + vers is just listed explicitly

spice surge
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They're just changing the tooltip to match the actual value

lone junco
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cause damage + vers is already damage * 1+vers

glass vessel
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ahh i see

spice surge
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Rather than being set regardless of your AP

lone junco
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which is a good thing

glass vessel
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makes sense

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ty for clarification on that

fallow estuary
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I cracked it!

glass vessel
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grats

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!

fallow estuary
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ty <3

lone junco
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big boi

dense yarrow
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lool

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can you get any more sockets? XD

ionic charm
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IKR wtf

lone junco
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weights are so flat

glass vessel
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for real lol

strong dome
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i had 8 sockets at one point

fallow estuary
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To be fair : i have higher ilvl pieces on all the socket slots but the sockets sim just abit higher

strong dome
glass vessel
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where is this mystical thing happening where haste is worth more than agil. hasnt happened to me yet for any sin spec setup lol

ionic charm
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You have a 390 trinket?

lone junco
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if i add 1k agi, i still might not make 17k

fallow estuary
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Not trinket - but wrists / cloak / Belt etc.

ionic charm
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Ah. Shit bud here I am trying to find the last 400 dps for 17k with 4 ilvls lower and no sockets

glass vessel
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also @lone junco that is balance at it's finest. very nice

ionic charm
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Guess it won’t happen without some sockets or ilvl upgrade

dense yarrow
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1k off

strong dome
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thats a fat ring tho

dense yarrow
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i had 0 azerite pieces from damn weekly chest

strong dome
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ive gotten azerite pieces every week so far

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2 chests 2 shoulders

glass vessel
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jesus

dense yarrow
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no haste on ring 😦

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damn lucky

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so annyoed cuz 0 azerite

ionic charm
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Chest chest chest helm lul

lone junco
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TF GC trinket is all the luck i needed for the tier

glass vessel
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im 1/4 and it was the literal worst single piece of azerite available for the slot. love it.

brisk sedge
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does the archive of the titas traits stack?

strong dome
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i dont like GC at all

glass vessel
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meticulous scheming worth even less than overwhelming power. fantastic

ionic charm
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The archive does, reorigination does not

lone junco
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it was smaller circle first week

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legit prob 3yrds

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maybe less.

brisk sedge
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ok thanks @ionic charm

strong dome
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i havent even done shrine above 9 yet

modest zodiac
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Battlefield focus works in raids?

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That must be a really good buff for other players

brisk sedge
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might go with 1 archive and 1 ss though just because runnig without ss is a pain

ionic charm
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Meh it’s not too bad

proven ice
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You get credit for the procs

modest zodiac
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warcraft logs says it's our dps ?

brisk sedge
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it's the slow start that bugs me the most tbh, once you're past that small part youre flying.

quick fog
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When simming for M+ what mob size do you use?

strong dome
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doesnt really feel that slow for me

dense yarrow
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6 bosses, 40 secs

modest zodiac
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6 patchwerk 40

brisk sedge
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maybe i'm just too used to getting 3 cp out of 1 garrote:)

quick fog
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Why 6 though?

lone junco
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@quick fog turn off raid buffs. lust will skew stuff pretty badly

modest zodiac
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cuz on average you pull 6 mobs at once

daring imp
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you can do 3 to 6 targets, but ideally your tank should be pulling 5~6 targets per pack

modest zodiac
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unless you pull mch less or more

daring imp
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also turn off bloodlust and prepot for that sim

quick fog
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We usually don't multi pull so we're usually at 3-4.

lone junco
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once the hero dungeon sim is avaiable we will probably do that

ionic charm
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And uldir stacks

quick fog
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Yeah I turned off those was just wondering the mob size.

modest zodiac
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lol they'll add heroic dungeon sim? πŸ˜‚

maiden siren
modest zodiac
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that fat trinket tho

daring imp
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fuck

lone junco
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herodamage dungeon sim will allow restealtsh

strong dome
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gimme

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still using darkmoon deck

quick fog
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Friend was yelling at me for not going off 6. When in all of my runs we don't multi pull so we have 3 or 4 mobs.

maiden siren
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one sec bois

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got another one

glass vessel
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darkmoon deck = basically a 385+ trinket lol

daring imp
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well @quick fog depends on the size your tank will be pulling

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the 3T and 6T give practically the same results

lone junco
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and. if you run with a monster st dps class. we are there for the ggg ct.

daring imp
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almost* every upgrade on 3T is also the same amount of upgrade on my 6T sim

quick fog
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Also, my 3 and 6 numbers are only like 500 dps off, and the 3 traits are better ST

lone junco
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just be consistent.

maiden siren
lone junco
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you will see crit take over in larger sims over the smaller ones

modest zodiac
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boon is crazy

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but i dropped my 355 boon in favour of 385 plumage tbh

maiden siren
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the jars atleast better than darmooncard

lone junco
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@maiden siren are these yours, or just linking shit

ionic charm
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I came while looking at that GCB all other trinkets disgust me now

glass vessel
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385 plumage is fucking juicy

maiden siren
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nah mine

glass vessel
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still stuck witha measly 365 dice

maiden siren
glass vessel
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plumage or galecallers refuses to drop

quick fog
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370 Lion trinket and 355 Spyglass with socket

lone junco
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im going to be a dummy and use top gear for my zul sub set. should I just go 6t 5min?

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want mongo cleave only

glass vessel
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yep

green hollow
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does anyone have a weakaura for the total damagevalue of my bleeding effects? (for exsanguinate)

glass vessel
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all its gonna say is Mastery > Crit > Verse > Haste

lone junco
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dont do that

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@green hollow there is no game change for the exang values. unless you fuck it up. and you should know that.

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and tick rates wont show you the dmg gain anyway

daring imp
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@green hollow boy that should be a bit hard to do, separating exs bleeds from normal ones

crisp hollow
lone junco
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information overload, on stuff that wont change the way you play.

crisp hollow
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nailed it!

fallow estuary
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! gz

daring imp
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on kingsbane it was slightly easier 'cuz it was only one kind of dot w/o any modifiers on tick rate at all

glass vessel
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2 385 DD pieces. jesus christ

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someone do the math on that

strong dome
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i also have 2 385 DD pieces

daring imp
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rare as fuck

ionic charm
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@daring imp could just always have it calculate but only show when exs on cd > 30s or something so it only shows up right after

daring imp
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it's like 110 items from itempool and he got the two with dd with 4 chances

crisp hollow
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so 4/110*4/110

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0.0132231405

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except things change a little

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but i havent had to do stats in years

daring imp
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it's more like squared 1/110

strong dome
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theres more than 1 pieces that have DD tho

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gotta account for that no?

crisp hollow
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thats what the 4 was in my case

daring imp
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makes sense, i was thinking mainly about those specific parts, forgot to include the other ones

crisp hollow
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1/110 squared would be getting the same piece twice right?

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assuming BLP is a lie

glass vessel
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so 0.013% chance. jeeeez

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thanks for the math

daring imp
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@ionic charm when i get home later i'll see if i can find the old kingsbane dmg one to see if i can find some way to make that work

ionic charm
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@daring imp gl, i don’t know if it will work, I just know that trick with tracking exs dots, I have my bleeds glow in pandemic range but not while exs is on cd >30s

lone junco
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does that crit rating actually stack?

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from first dance?

spice surge
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Well yeah

lone junco
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or storm

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hrrm.

spice surge
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I dont think it has diminishing returns

lone junco
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would have to dance evisc storm then i guess

spice surge
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Doesnt matter

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First dance hits first 2 spells

plain jacinth
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second spell has reduced crit though right?

lone junco
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dumb tooltip i guess.

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pw is 2 mut.

spice surge
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The First Dance now grants 2 stacks of the buff, and critical strike bonus reduced by 25%. 24 sept

lone junco
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thats fine. if the sim knows that, Ill take it

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glad to see it is fine without respeccing any of my azerite

plain jacinth
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ah ok

stiff grail
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
dark crag
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Both hits have same crit chance

lone junco
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well yeah. but the DR on the trait.

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idc really. i will only play sub for zul. unless there is some fucking magic in it that i can use in M+ over SS

dark crag
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Respeccing is so dumb, the doubled cost is the most stupid

lone junco
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i got back down to 180g by sitting on ss.

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good for m+ and raid, and like 0.1% off from like 4 other builds.

craggy notch
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Any good rogue know what is better for overall m+, an azerite head with ss+Headmycall 340 or an 385 with daggerintheback+overwhelmingpower 385

dark crag
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385

vernal atlas
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btw, what is needed to have exsang sim better than tb?

dark crag
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45 item lvl is too much and dagger not that bad

lone junco
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probably gc at this point.

civic palm
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Dagger is not very good in M+ due to the backstab conditional.

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The SIM assumes 100% backstabbery, and you can't.

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I mean you could assume 100

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% backstabbery but you ain't doin it.

lone junco
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@craggy notch I would sim the 6t40s with raid buffs off. compare the two. if they are +/- 0.2% or so, just pick the one with the hps.

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if they are substantially different take the big deeps one

dark crag
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Tank is o, mobs are 8, you are <
o8<

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100%

civic palm
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...uhhuh

safe relic
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!guide

prisma monolithBOT
inland hornet
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Should I pick SS over archive for m+?

lone junco
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squeezed out 60% mastery

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80 tank mobs. got it.

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100%

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i think i can do this.

civic palm
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Seems complicated.

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There's that part where you have to ShD again.

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Scary.

supple compass
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I do t understand that shuriken talent, does it literally throw out like just normal storms, or does it do more dmg than that

lone junco
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are those storm/evis macros?

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the trinket symbol dance storm made sense. but hes hammering out the others so tightly

civic palm
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They are very consistent.

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SMASH THE KEYS

lone junco
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ive never used tornado before. so πŸ‘€

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mashing inc

civic palm
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Actually, those are not very consistent now that I look at them.

lone junco
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nvm. it auto casts them. no wonder i drained e. was over capping.

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derp

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guess i could read.

civic palm
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Nah.

lone junco
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got i hate this shit

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neat 25k dps

mossy flower
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Doing zul?

lone junco
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getting ready for it

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doing lfr to practice

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har har

mossy flower
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Ya we'll be on that next week prolly. Does tornado give you CPs on each cast? Looks like it does based off that chart you linked

spice surge
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Ye lol, otherwise it would be literally worthless

mossy flower
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That's what I figured

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Seems like a pretty easy rotation to optimize

lone junco
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Not mad at 70k evisc tho

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just vectis

mortal warren
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whats your haste and crit rating when you attempt zul m?

lone junco
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80 mastery sub?

mortal warren
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ofc you want to funnel everything into mastery but would like to know if there is some magical "haste cap" that lets you press SS -> Evis without any downtime or just funnel everything into mastery>crit and be fine

lone junco
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doesnt help that i still have brigand and ss

ruby idol
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Mastery crit is all that matters

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By the time you start to run dry sod is back up to refill

mortal warren
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kk ty

ruby idol
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And a macro for shd/sod/evis is worth making

hollow stone
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Heh, dry sod

fading spade
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
small island
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!opener

lone junco
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ngl. tornado is a bit wrird

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lOlol nvm

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just needed enough targets

low lodge
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yo boys is there a softcap and hardcap for haste?

shadow pelican
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is there anything i can do with cleave as assassination?

hasty sparrow
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no caps

daring imp
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no and no @low lodge

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the more i have the more it increases in weight lul

hasty sparrow
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just smash

low lodge
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yes @shadow pelican Garrote everything up and then rupture with fan of knives

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as combo pts builder

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if 3+ mobs

hasty sparrow
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first cleave then whirlwind

low lodge
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if talking about mobs ofc ^^

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thanks @daring imp

clever wagon
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why is doom's wake simming so high now for st?

unreal jewel
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What would you guys say is best Rogue Spec right now?

lone junco
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sin

clever wagon
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also, is ss still bugged in that the damage bonus garrote gets from it goes away if a normal, non subterfuge'd garrote is used?

hasty sparrow
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!ss

prisma monolithBOT
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Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

clever wagon
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fucking christ

hasty sparrow
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b e t a b o i s

clever wagon
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its been like that for like

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2 weeks now

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or more

north terrace
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@clever wagon Been like that since xpac released..

clever wagon
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it wasnt ahead of galecallers though

jaunty ginkgo
#

does it matter which way round my deadly/quick navigation enchants are on my on/off hands?

lone junco
#

well that went well. 105k so far. gotta fix my enchants. 150k evisc seems r1 level. so nb.

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yikes 26% evisc crit

quiet sapphire
#

im at 360 ilevel sitting with Galecallers and Fathoms both at 355, am i good for trinkets until i get something way higher or what coz my sims seems to tell me so but the galecaller is only good if i dont ahve to move a lot which in m+ isnt always the case so

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what to do

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also @jaunty ginkgo it depends on your stat weights id say. i got the haste one in my main hand and the crit in offhand , works the best for me

tropic heron
#

wait

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can i equip 2 poisons at once?

lone junco
#

deadly and cripple

tender frost
#

blep hahahaha

tropic heron
#

what the hell

quiet sapphire
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one lethel one non lethal

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ofc

tender frost
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LOLOLOLOL

tropic heron
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idk how the hell

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i got to 1600 in arena

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just learned that

tender frost
#

bro.. is that syk from my friends list?

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lolol

lone junco
#

3rd from your pvp tree

quiet sapphire
#

rip

south basin
#

deadly brew OwO

lone junco
#

4th if leeching

tropic heron
#

oh hey rawtenji

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whats up bro

south basin
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dont forget mind-numbing

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:^)

merry sparrow
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is the trinket from tol dagor good ?

fading spade
#

does anyone else follow the Top Gear reccomendations on raidbots?

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its telling me my 2x SS one archive with exang is better than 2 archive 1ss with TB

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its a decent chunk too

civic palm
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2nd Archive is not very good.

fading spade
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probably why its tellin me that

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i have 355 shoulders with ss and the 370 chest from fetid

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it says i can get 15326 when i usually sim at 15068 so imma try it i guess

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which is nice cuz i like the exang opener so much better lol

south basin
#

I wish exsang simmed higher for me FeelsBadMan

quiet sapphire
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The trinker from tol dagor is garbage

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youy dont want it

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unless what u got is worse ofc

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sim yourself

dark token
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how to exsang: get 2SS traits and galecallers

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press exsang

quiet sapphire
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profit?

fading spade
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i have gcb albeit low ilvl

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only 350

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but i have one lol

quiet sapphire
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its great but if you have to move a lot

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it loses its usefulness quickly

fading spade
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usually not on the opener

quiet sapphire
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depends on the boss really

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the first boss in Shrine of the Storm for example

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its great

fading spade
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oh god yes

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terrible for the 2nd

quiet sapphire
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but for example the last boss in the same instance

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useless

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movement means rip

fading spade
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true true

quiet sapphire
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when you sim patchwerk it will ofc sim great xcoz u dont move a lot

fading spade
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im thinkin more from a raid standpoint

quiet sapphire
#

yeah

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i almost only do m+ so raids are irrelevant for me

fading spade
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m+ i run a 355 dice

quiet sapphire
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cant raid coz work

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rip

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i run fathoms and gcb

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still great as a combo

fading spade
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fathoms is my other trink

quiet sapphire
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Fathoms is just stupid it beats everytthing for me until i reach like 380+ on other trinkers

crisp hollow
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what uldir fights is gcb bad on would you say

quiet sapphire
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trinkets

fading spade
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its not bad on any raid fights

quiet sapphire
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anything you need to move for a lot Scoville

fading spade
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hes talkin m+

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its not always good

valid moss
crisp hollow
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ahh ok

quiet sapphire
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long burn faces when youy dont ahve to move

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its awesome

crisp hollow
#

i'm rocking a 370 dice but the other rogue has GCB at 370 and his openers go ballistic

valid moss
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is raidbots simming it correctly?

smoky topaz
#

!ss

prisma monolithBOT
#

Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

silent scaffold
#

is stacking ss for m+ decent? since you don't get reorigination array stacks?

civic palm
#

Yes.

quiet sapphire
#

yep

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still good

silent scaffold
#

Thanks. I guess I'm back to reforging

sterile ocean
#

Did they buff Doom's wake?

fervent finch
#

If I have 4cp, and garrote and rupture on target, have toxic blade off cd. Should i toxic blade or envenom?

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And what about 5cp

tawdry pine
#

if you tb at 4 you risk burning a cp

stable pine
#

TB

fervent finch
#

16% crit

tawdry pine
#

holding tb for 1 gcd isnt gonna kill your damage

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better strat is to mut once and pool energy for your tb

fervent finch
#

But don’t I want to cram as much envenom in a toxic blade window

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Mut, then envenom and tb later?

tawdry pine
#

optimally you would tb to get you to 4-5 cp so you can start pumping envenoms right away

fervent finch
#

Oh

fiery ore
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u should tb

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idk y this guy telling u risk burning 1 cp with tb

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when mut gives u 3

plain thistle
#

with 4 cp you TB without any problem, you may lose a combo point, but its not a big deal (its basically the same as mutilating at 3 cp)

vocal wave
#

Is MFD any good in a +9 fort week

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Seems like hp is just too high

fervent finch
#

What about when I’m at 5cp

crisp hollow
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if you don't have to refresh rupture and have sufficient energy may as well TB at 5cp

plain thistle
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cant say for sure, I know they tested the 4cp scenario, but i dont remember if they tested with full combo point 🀷

crisp hollow
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you can't really go too wrong with just using TB on cooldown

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not a huge difference overall

plain thistle
#

Personally, I dont TB with full combo point, I plan ahead before that happens

fervent finch
#

Oh

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I just feel bad envenom without tb when it’s off cd

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Since 30%

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I’ve been using tb then envenom even at 5pc

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!pins

strange python
fervent finch
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op

strange python
#

wo w u do biG dmg

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Thats not the point

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Would it be worth using those 2 , VS fathoms + dice

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Simming m+ is so hard

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😦

fervent finch
#

27 haste enchants on rings too

dark token
strange python
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id use boon and dice

sick monolith
#

gimmie mommies dagger pls

strange python
#

@fervent finch what about the enchants?

dark token
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in general if all trinkets same ilvl + fathoms

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you want boon + dice or boon + deadeye spyglass

strange python
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mhm

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27 haste on 385 rot scour

fervent finch
#

Would +37s since higher?

strange python
#

Why would I pay 5k for 37 haste

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gotta show that ring some respect

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when I can pay 100 gold for 27

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lmao

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cause thats 10 haste\

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lmao

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ooh 15 dps

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let me spend 10k to gain 30

tough lantern
#

Wait is SS still bugged?

strange python
#

yes

tough lantern
#

Wtf

strange python
#

@dark token Do I just paste that shit into raidobts?

dark token
#

do a topgear sim

strange python
#

yeah

dark token
#

dont run it just select the options

fervent finch
#

I put +37 on my 325 ring...

strange python
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ok

dark token
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download simc input

fervent finch
#

Replaced it like next day

dark token
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open it, copy and paste that into advanced section of raidbots

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delete the simulation configs section

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copy and paste the github thing at the end

strange python
#

Ok too fast

dark token
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it will show you what combo is the highest dps but you need to ctrl + f that combo in the downloaded simc data

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to see the items

bright shale
#

Someone mind analyzing a log for me? 1 fight! ❀

strange python
#

Alright i pasted the simc into advanced

dark token
#

delete the simulation configs section
copy and paste the github thing at the end

strange python
#

Config section?

dark token
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should look like this at the end

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scroll to bottom of the input

strange python
#

yu

dark token
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delete simulation configs

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paste in herodmg

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make sure you have low iterations on or it may timeout

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especially if you have a lot of combos

sick monolith
#

hmm i sim about 100 more dps higher with EXG than TB.

safe canopy
#

dumb question, you can cloak mother passing through wall damage right?

strange python
#

why would u even do that

safe canopy
#

guild zerging on mythic

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if i stack i lose dmg :/

dark token
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if u dont stack u die

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dead = no dmg

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and no you cant cloak or feint or anything

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only healing and cheat work

safe canopy
#

k thats the answer i was looking for

dark token
#

just make sure you are low energy with bleeds ticking

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you'll be fine

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its not a long crossover

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and the tank should bring boss to the wall anyway

strange python
#

fuck it dude im just running dice + boon

dark token
#

u asked how to sim m+

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lol

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combo 47 is dice + boon

strange python
#

my dice is 365, boon 355

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unstable flames or overwhelming power?

dark token
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ask yourself this

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which of those is op

pine pecan
#

is there a command or saved link for sin openers?

dark token
mellow pasture
#

should i try to save galecallers for exsang or just use on CD

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and save for venetta

lucid bolt
#

heey guys

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thank you

main blaze
#

For herodungeon should we even have +5/+10 LM/Archive in the list of traits?

sick monolith
#

how do i do fat almost 18k deeps like you Soviet?

dark token
#

well

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thats an overall dungeon dps sim

sick monolith
dark token
#

well

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you should play exsang

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with that gear

mellow pasture
#

yes

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also do sims not sim shrouded right? is that correct?

dark token
#

???

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why wouldnt they sim it right

mellow pasture
#

they don't take in the potential or soemthing? of vanishes?

dark token
#

???

mellow pasture
#

why does mut sim higher for meee ???

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double dose

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single target?

dark token
#

because you're running toxic blade and because double dose is generally a higher ST trait

bright stump
#

Is ss garrote still bugged to 3 targets ?

silent scaffold
#

yes

mellow pasture
#

it sims higher than shrouded with exsang

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and i even have galecaller

bright stump
#

Thats a shame

mellow pasture
#

like a good 300 dps more

dark token
#

they are virtually tied

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if you dont have 3 SS

mellow pasture
#

i use one laser

dark token
#

so your gear stats determine it

mellow pasture
#

damn

dark token
#

if you have more crit than haste

mellow pasture
#

i'm crit heavy

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that is why

dark token
#

double dose is better

mellow pasture
#

i see

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okay thank you

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i guess i'll go with dd

cerulean anchor
mellow pasture
#

sharpened blades x1?

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370 though dang

cerulean anchor
#

sims the highest out of all my combinations

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yeah exactly

mellow pasture
#

i think you should try to get more crit

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esp for tb

dark token
#

sim ur combos right u fool

cerulean anchor
#

@dark token what am i lacking

mellow pasture
#

he has 4% more crit and less haste than you, has a galecaller and exsang spec

cerulean anchor
#

yeah galecallers + exang ik is big

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my trinkets are not super good

mellow pasture
#

i have a 340 galecaller and not even my 370 ghuun with socket or 370 construct overcharger beat it

cerulean anchor
#

damn

mellow pasture
#

Raid trinkets suck lol

cerulean anchor
#

im still trying to get one to drop -_-

mellow pasture
#

and galecaller is like top top top for exsang

dark token
#

i have a 355 galecaller and my 390 corpuscle loses to it

cerulean anchor
#

fuck

#

lol

unreal jewel
#

Oh. My post was deleted. πŸ‘

sick monolith
#

ty brother i gotta reread all this in damn dungeon atm

cyan frost
#

are you supposed to wait 15 sec on exang for galecallers to be up?

dark token
#

no

cyan frost
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so how are they so good with each other iif you dont use them together?

dark token
#

you use them together with 2 mins

cyan frost
#

i see

mellow pasture
#

15 seconds adds up

cyan frost
#

but if you use them together every 2 minutes arent you holding off on vendetta for 15 sec?

dark token
#

Correct

cyan frost
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and the trinket essentially

dark token
#

25 sec actually

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You save vendetta for vanish

sick monolith
#

gotta get that 37 haste chant on my ring.

karmic ingot
#

@dark token that’s opposite of the recommendations I’ve seen from other people in this channel.

hollow stone
#

I would save xsang to line up w gcb since you have to line up every other xsang w van ven anyway

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Idk if thats better. But it feels better

dark token
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@karmic ingot @hollow stone then they are wrong

hollow stone
#

Explain

dark token
#

if you save xsang to line up with gcb

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you lose an exsang use

hollow stone
#

How so?

dark token
#

opener: vendetta + exsang, ~10 sec later vanish

hollow stone
#

You cant get 2 xsang between vends

dark token
#

yes you can

#

exsang

#

exsang

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2:25~ vanish + vendetta + exsang

hollow stone
#

Other than the opener -_-

karmic ingot
#

If you don’t align exsanguinate with GC between vendetta, when is the best time to use GC then?

dark token
#

on cd

mellow pasture
#

thats what sim is telling me

dark token
#

you use it 15s after first exsang outside of opener

hollow stone
#

Yea... so the first one is on opener. 2nd is at ~50 sec if used on cd, third would be 1:35 and then you would hold vend for xsang? Seems kinda weird

chrome umbra
#

You should save GCB for the next exang

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That is correcto

dark token
#

yes @hollow stone

chrome umbra
dark token
#

look at the sim action table

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just look at timings

mellow pasture
#

ya check yo html report

dark token
#

its exactly like i said

mellow pasture
#

uses it every 1min

chrome umbra
#

There’s a survival hunter simming at 18.4k time to reroll friends

karmic ingot
#

Last time I looked I’m pretty sure it saved exsanguinate for GC. It may have changed since then.

hollow stone
#

You both are saying different things...

dark token
#

sockets everywhere @chrome umbra

mellow pasture
#

oh wow 500 dps more than you so scary πŸ˜‚

#

not

hollow stone
#

So you think holding vend for 10-15 sec is more dps than holding xsang?

dark token
#

8 sockets pog

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yes

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i do

#

and so does the sim

chrome umbra
#

M+ a TON and you’ll ROLL I NTHE SOCKETS BABY

dark token
#

im just running shrine infinite amount of times to get galecallers 370

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hasnt dropped yet

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all my guildies stopped m+ cause they geared

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so i pug

void pecan
#

pug life is worst life.

cursive dune
#

^

void pecan
#

I live it.

dark token
#

its not bad but there is no loot share

cursive dune
#

i got galecallers first +10 week at 380...

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sorry

#

not sorry

void pecan
#

πŸ‘‰ πŸšͺ

dark token
#

idc that i got shit for first 3 weeks

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cause i got 385 mega bis shoulders week 4 so

strange python
#

@dark token yo back to that m+ sim, I selected patchwerk 4T 40Sec

#

Does it matter?

dark token
#

do w/e you want man lol

cursive dune
#

seliathan recommended patchwerk 6t 40seconds

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for m+

dark token
#

i dont think the patchwerk short duration sims are very accurate

#

personally

strange python
#

Yeah but im not gonna throw 6t when its bolstering this week

dark token
#

but you can do what you want

#

i use herodungeon fightstyle for m+ sims

cursive dune
#

can you tell raidbots to use herodungeon?

dark token
#

yes

strange python
#

Well Dice + Azerok sims highest for me

#

wtf

dark token
#

makes sense

#

tbh

cursive dune
#

makes complete sense

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for m+

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crit & mastery are bae

dark token
#

how high is your azerok and how low is your galecallers

karmic ingot
#

All else being equal, I 100% agree that holding vendetta for 15 seconds is better than holding exsanguinate for 15 seconds for the simple fact that 15/45 > 15/120. The question is more about the synergy between GC and exsanguinate getting more damage out of exsanguinate than you lose from the 15 second delay.

strange python
#

355 gale

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365 azerok

dark token
#

did you sim with exsang

strange python
#

yes

karmic ingot
#

I thought it was better to hold it based on what I’ve read before, but I might be wrong.

void pecan
#

Everything I've read says use on CD

#

Β―_(ツ)_/Β―

karmic ingot
#

I would like to see an APL comparison to see the difference. I bet it’s close and probably comes down to fight duration and mechanics timing anyway.

dark token
#

@karmic ingot if you hold it you lose the second exsang

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before vendetta

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or delay vendetta 30s

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which is much worse than delaying it 15s

karmic ingot
#

That makes sense.

hollow stone
#

no it doesnt

#

but w/e

dark token
#

ok

karmic ingot
#

Well, getting 3 exsanguinate per vendetta vs 2 will add up.

hollow stone
#

yeah but you wouldn't miss your 2nd xsang..

karmic ingot
#

Unless it’ll push tour next vendetta beyond the end of the fight anyway.

dark token
#

yes you would

#

if you push your exsang back 15s by delaying

#

it would come up 15s before vendetta comes back off cd

#

this means you lose a use

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as you dont wanna use it there

hollow stone
#

because it has a 15 sec CD, right

dark token
#

so what dont you get

#

in the normal rotation you use it again and hold vendetta for the 3rd exsang

#

hence

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lost exsang use

hollow stone
#

your timings

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x1 @ 5sec (approx). x2 @ 50 sec if on CD, or ~65 sec if you wait for GCB, x3 @ 1m35s or 1m50 sec... and then you would need to wait for xsang to vend

#

so plz just lay out your timeline and I can understand

dark token
hollow stone
#

but that's 145 sec so you hold vend for 25 sec

dark token
#

yes

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thats literally

#

what ive been saying

#

for 15 mins

hollow stone
#

which delays your next vend by 25 sec

dark token
#

yes

hollow stone
#

and so on

dark token
#

yes

hollow stone
#

until you lose vends

dark token
#

its higher dps

#

sim it

#

you lose a vendetta after how many cycles

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5 cycles

hollow stone
#

depends on boss timing, of course, but approx 4-5

dark token
#

how long of a fight is that

karmic ingot
#

Oh, if you use exsanguinate and GC on CD and you are aligning everything for your second vendetta, so you have vanish, GC, vendetta, and exsanguinate all ready at once, you’re basically pushing your vendetta to 3 minutes instead of 2 right?

dark token
#

10 mins

#

how many boss fights in the raid

#

are 10 mins

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now compare that to 1 exsang usage lost

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per 2 mins

hollow stone
#

45 + 45 + 45 =/= 2 mins tho, that's all that's throwing me off

#

and thats if you are perfectly timed

#

I understand what you're saying

#

don't get me wrong

dark token
#

you dont have any proof as to why your method is better

#

its been simmed both ways and this is what the sim uses

hollow stone
#

right, I'm asking

dark token
#

and ive been telling you lol you delay vendetta for 25s to line everything up

#

delaying a 45s cd by 15s per use

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is awful

#

delaying a 2 min cd by 25s per use

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is acceptable

#

look how long you are delaying as a percentage of the overall cd

hollow stone
#

it's ~35% cd diff for xsang and ~25% cd diff for vend. I just didn't think xsang would make up that diff

#

which is why we had this nice discussion

dark token
#

25/120 = 20.8%

karmic ingot
#

Seems like it might be best to use on CD after opener, then wait for everything to line up ~2:30 or whatever it comes out to. Once you have to wait on vanish for vendetta every time after the opener anyway, it might be better to hold exsanguinate for GC just to keep everything lined up for 2min CDs.

flint swift
#

I don’t use exsang on CD I wait for my dots to be double refreshed before I pop it. Is this wrong?

hollow stone
#

yeah yeah, we get it, you're an asshole about "being right"

dark token
#

@flint swift yes

hollow stone
#

that's why I put ~ it means approximately

summer marten
#

you refresh dots before it

dark token
#

you should double refresh your dots in the 2 gcds before exsang

#

dont delay it

neon chasm
#

anyone wanna help me figure out why my dps sim so low for my ilvl?

flint swift
#

Ok yeah that’s my strat

neon chasm
dark token
#

else it delays everything else in the rotation

flint swift
#

Just wanted to make sure I’m doing it right

dark token
#

@neon chasm farm 340 SS shoulders and switch to exsang

flint swift
#

Even if rupture has like 13 seconds left, I pop it and exsang.

neon chasm
#

i have been

#

that shit wont drop me

#

unlucky

flint swift
#

I pop a new one I mean

strange python
#

Sharpened blades?

dark token
#

or get 355+ raid shoulders

#

and switch to SS chest

#

basically all your problems are fixed with new shoulders

lilac tapir
#

Need some help with gearing, wondering if Sim is still broken for SS or not

neon chasm
#

so mostly shoulders being crap

dark token
#

not crap

#

reaaaaaally

#

crap

strange python
#

your shoulders are dogshit

neon chasm
#

yeah i know i got lucky for other gear but not shoulders

#

so shoulders with SS or DD?

strange python
#

But if ure going TB

#

Tidal surge is way better

#

than SS

neon chasm
#

whats TB?

strange python
#

Toxic Blade

neon chasm
#

oh

lilac tapir
#

is shrouded suffocation still broken for simming ?? trying to figure out if my 340 and 355 SS gear is better than 370 and 385 Scent of Blood gear

neon chasm
#

tidal surge i never even seen that trait

strange python
#

@lilac tapir for m+ ?

lilac tapir
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@strange python I am trying to sim patchwerk 6 bosses 40 seconds on Raidbots for M+

strange python
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well its very easy tot check

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one sec

dark token
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@neon chasm sim yoself

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you can farm new shoulders but at least sim combos of the ones you have :p

strange python
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@lilac tapir nvm I cant check it

lilac tapir
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😦 @strange python

strange python
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Id need to see the full html report

lilac tapir
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could I send that somehow

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like the /simc input?

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pretty new to simming and shit so sorry if these are stupid questions 😦

strange python
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wait

summer marten
lilac tapir
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according to herodamage charts for M+ keys, the Scent of Blood gear is a lot better

summer marten
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Thanks mother for that weapon finally

neon chasm
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^

strange python
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@lilac tapir Depends

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like I said

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Wait

lilac tapir
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@strange python appreciate it ❀

cunning needle
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@dark token how long would you hold off exsang before refreshing bleeds
ie if theres like 11 seconds on garrote and 17 seconds left on rupture would you wait 5 seconds to refresh garrote+ rupture?
or would you just refresh straight away and exsang

dark token
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i wouldnt

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refresh strait away

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exsang

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well depends, definitely rupture

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garrote you dont have to refresh, at least according to sim

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but i personally do

strange python
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@lilac tapir Yes its not reliable

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See that garrote at 10 sec

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It basically debuffs the other SS garrotes

cursive dune
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is that still bugged?

dark token
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yes its because the sim doesnt take bugs into account

cunning needle
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wait is that "i wouldnt refresh straight away" or "I wouldnt wait, refresh straight away"

strange python
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Even the 4 sec garrote does it

cunning needle
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sorry lol just wanna make sure

lilac tapir
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I have trouble understanding all this shit, so my bad for not really understanding, but are you saying that SCent of Blood isnt reliable for M+ dmg?

cloud iron
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anyone got a reliable source for a MA rotation/opener, id rather not dig threw logs

lilac tapir
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@strange python

summer marten
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dont hold of exsang, refresh

lilac tapir
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based on that sim at least

strange python
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No

lilac tapir
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or that SS is still fcked

strange python
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Im saying that sims dont considerate the SS bugs

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thus are not correct

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Overall though, SS is very good for m+

lilac tapir
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so they sim even higher dps than they should, right?

strange python
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No friend

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Lower

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Wait

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Let me get this straight

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The sim is incorrect

summer marten
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yes, they sim higher than you would get with same skill usage

strange python
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Your actual dps will be lower

dark token
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i would say the sim is correct the game is not correct 😜

lilac tapir
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yes, the realistic dps on SS traits is lower than what the sims say

strange python
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No

lilac tapir
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then im stupid

strange python
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Maybe

lilac tapir
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hahahahaa

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cause the sim does the extra garrote, and drps the old damage

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correct?

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so thats why the dmg should be higher, cuase you in practice can leave up the empowered garrotes?

strange python
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Lol im gonna put this in simple words

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With SS

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You can only do 3 garrotes

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Because if you cast the 4th, it bugs and ur SS buff is no longer there

lilac tapir
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correct

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I understand that

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i guess my confusion is how the sim is bugged then, whether it is bugged because in the sim, there is a 4th garrote, or if the sim is bugged because it doesn't do the same thing as actually happens in game, with the garrote dmg being lowered

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I get it now though