assassination

[hollow escarp]

it's fine

[strange python]

play 5 days

burn a million

10 runs per day

[hollow escarp]

house on fire

[balmy cradle]

But u dont push every key and/or 10 keys per day

[strange python]

on a push week you do more

[visual token]

I usually get a lot of procs making potions. Got a x5 on flasks the other day 😂

[strange python]

because you fail runs and you reset keys

[balmy cradle]

Ye and on a crap week u boost for gold xD

[hollow escarp]

^

[strange python]

try boosting for gold with 10 mongoloids with barely 10s timed trying to outsell you

anyway am getting offtopic here

[balmy cradle]

U need regulars

Communitys comes to mind :p

[hollow escarp]

marketing tactics in game 😮

[balmy cradle]

Anyway what ilvl would you sacrifice for optimal stats @strange python

[strange python]

mhm

maybe 10 ilvls on a piece, depending what piece it is

on a ring i would drop 20 easy

[balmy cradle]

Cuz stamina really is important on stuff like powdershot abilitys

[eternal wave]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > mastery > vers >= haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.

[balmy cradle]

Dont want to proc from 1 hit for example :(

[strange python]

use higher stamina for higher keys then

calculate if you will die or not

use a stamina flask even, if you think you will deplete the key

also if you have 33% crit and fok 3 targets theory says 2 cp guaranteed with a good chance for more

[lost coral]

agility is really starting to scale shitty compared to haste and mastery on ST the better the gear gets

[balmy cradle]

Do you just feelycraft your crit mast or use a specific stay weight from aoe sims? Like 6 targets 1 minute or smth

[strange python]

nah i don't sim cba writing the thing

i might have to at some point but i don't think so

[round ledge]

writing the thing

5% haste b t w

[strange python]

rank 1000 btw

xd

@round ledge what is burst even

if you play with haste

LUL

mythic raider i see

fetid experienced world first

xd

[round ledge]

woof

[oblique copper]

how do you sim small (4~ mobs) m+ pulls? to get proper values for SS and restealths, for example.

something like that?

[stiff venture]

Does anyone know if the opener changes when changing from subterfuge to master assassin?

[oblique copper]

Well, you're not spamming garrotes. But why would you take that talent?

[stiff venture]

Sims 100dps better than subterfuge for me on ST

[hollow minnow]

@oblique copper remove raid buff and add food/flask manually

[oblique copper]

sure

[scenic quail]

are there any stat break points ?

[valid meadow]

I think there is some hidden for haste?

Because the pawn strings drastically change once you hit a certain threshold

[lost coral]

for me, the more haste I get the better it gets

[cunning glen]

@scenic quail "Haste break point 25%?

No. There is no magic number. There is no break point. There is just what sim tells you to get.

Literally copied from ravenholdt website

[valid meadow]

I wonder how good my dps would be if i had haste instead of crit on my gear atm

Right now i'm sitting on like 15 haste and 33 crit

% that is

But i mean, it works

[lost coral]

you can sim it

[valid meadow]

It's easy to keep a stable dps considering a third of my dots crit

[cunning glen]

im thinkin of rerolling assa from combat and i have same situation adrian 😄

[lost coral]

just select replace gems

[cunning glen]

outlaw even

[valid meadow]

I mean it's my entire gear Chammi

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tdxY6bR3JiXbQrHacaEgH1

look, critmaster Adrian

Can i change enchants and gems on raidbots, or do i need to do that in simulationcraft?

cause i'm at work

and theorycrafting at work is always more fun

[lost coral]

you can do it on raidbots

[lone junco]

@valid meadow top gear has a pull down to keep or replace gems and enchants.

[grand trail]

Im still not sure why raidbot sim higher TB for me than exsa

[ember ermine]

Top Bear 👌

[grand trail]

It's like 200 dps

[lost coral]

@gossip SS traits?

[grand trail]

No

[lost coral]

thats why

[grand trail]

Not lucky with single one

[lone junco]

Sad day. Missed out on the 22k garrote crits

25k on vendetta.

[grand trail]

I'm simming 14k dps without any uldir trait tho

[vale marten]

we are getting a new talent that will replace venom rush

ts still boring tho

[grand trail]

Simming 200 dps higher with TB

Should I really use it in uldir?

[lost coral]

why shouldnt you

[valid meadow]

I cant find the pulldown for the enchants and gems on the gear compare thing

am i dumb

[grand trail]

I feel like the bosses are better made for exsa

[lost coral]

between gear and talents

[valid meadow]

Do i need to be logged in?

Cause i don't seem to have it

[north crane]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eKx2qRNTzsm94VGEep2gR3

[echo hound]

is SS still pretty much BiS for M+ apart from Uldir traits? Got a 385 DD piece yesterday, but im hesitant so replace my 370 SS piece for it atm (Only SS piece i have). Not sure im simming it properly

[neon thunder]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[north crane]

you can try with 4 patchwerk 40 sec fight

[velvet kernel]

you think poison bomb or ct

would be better this week?

for like a shrine

[echo hound]

I found CT pretty lackluster for shrine last week atleast. Alot of the trash dies really fast in shrine. But might be different this week. Havent checked affixes yet honestly

[quick fog]

I'd rather just use CT and make sure I get the damage.

[safe relic]

none of this wa shows u the duration that garrote and rapture has on ur target right ? 😄

[mossy hazel]

No, most of them do

[safe relic]

which one has it mate ? :p

[mossy hazel]

I'm using the Devlin's one and it definitely does

[safe relic]

cause i tested most of them but none had it

[mossy hazel]

Devlin's guarenteed does...

[safe relic]

is it good ?

[mossy hazel]

Matter of opinion I guess. I don't have any issues with it

It also shows empowered garrote, and pandemic timer all on the garrote/rupture icons

That's what I look for, something to remind me not to overwrite an empowered garrote, and when to refresh

[safe relic]

it tells u when to refresh ur bleeds?

[summer marten]

What is replacing venom rush? Cant find anything about that...

[mossy hazel]

The color of the countdown timer changes from green to orange when the timer is in the optimal pandemic window

And there's a big bright gold boarder around empowered garrote

What do you mean replacing venom rush?

We typically don't use venom rush, it's either Toxic Blade or Exsanguinate

[frosty gyro]

I made a WA to track CDs but I still just end up looking at my bars every time...

[summer marten]

euron said "we are getting a new talent that will replace venom rush"

not in rotation

[mossy hazel]

Oh I haven't heard anything about that, that would be interesting.

Weird timing for it though

[frosty gyro]

That wuld be nice considering how bad it is

[summer marten]

yea, so ive been trying to find any info about it and found nothing

[mossy hazel]

Yea, that's a tough habit to break Kirvin. I still do it occasionally and I've been using WAs for quite a while now

[drowsy hull]

Feels like my opener doesnt hit so hard as ass rogue, playing with toxic blade, like what do you guys burst with opener?

[robust light]

Best way to break it is hide the bars completely. Granted your weak auras are enough info for full rotation

[signal salmon]

Yeah hide bars, get more free space on ur screen

[lone junco]

Wot. Bars are fine for all sorts of things.

[real socket]

what traits are you guys running for mythic progression

[lone junco]

Target debuff times like rupture and garrote shouldn't be read off default name plate. Because it shows other rog garrotes as well. Wa is superior. But taking a button like Vendetta and making it a WA right above where the button would be. Is just preference of style.

@real socket 1archive and whatever else sims best for that fight style.

[frosty gyro]

I have elvui so it just shows my debuffs and I have a lot of unecessary debuffs/buffs hidden

[lone junco]

Dd and SS are both good

[real socket]

i only have a 340 DD, makes me want to die

[robust light]

They were having trouble stopping staring at bars. So obviously hiding bars is best for that situation.

Everyone has diff preferences

[lone junco]

Don't use "best" like you are a rotational doctor.

[real socket]

yeah lol

[pearl meteor]

If they dont want to be looking at bars that is the simple solution

[mossy hazel]

I'm not hiding my bars. Lol...

[lone junco]

Staring at bars has always been a function of tunneling due to not being familiar with the rotation

[pearl meteor]

he didnt say it was best to have bars hidden lol he said best way to break habit and hes not wrong.

[robust light]

How is it not? If you want to stop looking at your bars how is it not the best way to just hide them? If your intention is to stop looking at bars in general then why keep them there

[frosty gyro]

I mean to hide my bars I would need to have a WA that tracks everything and I haven't found one I like that does that 🤔

[robust light]

And yes what anarchy said

[lone junco]

If you stare at bars anyway. Good luck performing with them off.

[mossy hazel]

^

[shadow pelican]

I have a few questions. and I am really stuck I don't know what im doing wrong. but im 354 ilvl and cant seem to get the numbers I should be

[robust light]

That's the point. Breaking that habit.. yeah it'll suck at first but you would learn and adapt

[pearl meteor]

like i said, not the best to have them hidden just the best for problem he wanted a solution to.

lmao

[frosty gyro]

link your sims @shadow pelican

[robust light]

Exactly @pearl meteor

[lone junco]

Meh. It is a solution. Best is the wrong word.

[pearl meteor]

if u cant look at them it is the best

[frosty gyro]

I didn't say I wanted a solution to a problem I just said I made a WA but end up looking at my bars anyways it's pretty w/e

[mossy hazel]

What kind of questions, Ammon

[frosty gyro]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[shadow pelican]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iqhGRDkXNzndRVsN1AAUDS

[frosty gyro]

Still got a 96.6 avg

[mossy hazel]

Another solution is put your WAs more in your face

[frosty gyro]

They're in the middle of my screen

[shadow pelican]

thats my sim but i just cant seem to hit those numbers at all

[pearl meteor]

sure but most ppl will still default to looking at bars

[lone junco]

Most. Still the wrong word.

You are bad at this.

[frosty gyro]

Well the first thing I'm gonna guess is you're mismanaging TB

[robust light]

Doesn't matter how big the wa's are, if you're used to looking at your bars you will always look at them unless they're hidden.

[pearl meteor]

nice picking single words i like it dude 😃

[frosty gyro]

Also are you following the opener properly?

[pearl meteor]

most referring to people with that issue is still correct so idk wym

[frosty gyro]

das not a good taloc opener

[lone junco]

Oy

[pearl meteor]

thats a yikes from me

[lone junco]

SS and tb is also a bit weird by now.

[pearl meteor]

^

[real socket]

big yikes

[shadow pelican]

so what am i doing wrong?

[frosty gyro]

🤔

[pearl meteor]

do u have 2+ ss?

[mossy hazel]

He has 0 SS actually

[real socket]

Y I K E S

[robust light]

1 ss is enough

[frosty gyro]

He has no SS

[robust light]

To change the opener

[pearl meteor]

im aware its enough

i was asking for exsang

:p

[robust light]

Fairs

[frosty gyro]

Okay basicvcally

[real socket]

is he using MA or subt

[mossy hazel]

Sub

[shadow pelican]

I thought with subterfuge i would want the 3 garrotes with rupture?

[lone junco]

Someone find him a MA TB opener in a log.

[real socket]

dude MA is life

[mossy hazel]

Only if you have SS trait, Amon

[frosty gyro]

@shadow pelican in your sim on the right under Simulation Details click Full HTML Report then go down to Action Priority List and expand the section. Go down in that section to Sample Sequence Table and look at the order it casts in

[pearl meteor]

http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/

[lone junco]

Clearly the guide has words. Log view is easier to see.

[shadow pelican]

damn...

[real socket]

the MA TB opener goes as follows

stealth - garote - mut - rup - vanish - TB - mut - env

[frosty gyro]

Also try looking at other players logs with similar traits and gear

[real socket]

and prepot before u pull

[tough egret]

what dungeon should i be targetting for trinkets for my rogue (which is mainly a dungeon alt)? Shrine/Freehold?

[lone junco]

SS. Is the garrote talent. Goes with subterfuge to buff garrotes.

[frosty gyro]

Basically other logs with TB and no SS traits

[pearl meteor]

p much james

kings rest

is decent

[lone junco]

@tough egret dice and GC.

[pearl meteor]

as well

[frosty gyro]

Change it to casts/timeline

[tough egret]

dice, galecaller and plumage?

cool

cheers

[mossy hazel]

Are you making use of the Sharpened Blade stacks too?

[real socket]

i got a 370 dice last week, im set for trinkets until the next raid tier ez

[shadow pelican]

yea

[mossy hazel]

Since you have that trait

Alright just wanted to make sure

I'm not in your logs right now

[frosty gyro]

Get a SB WA

[pearl meteor]

oof

[real socket]

that is r u f f

[lone junco]

Just get rid of SB.

Something passive. That sims within 0.1%

[real socket]

dude I got a 385 SB, it fuckin destroys anything I look at

[pearl meteor]

nty

[lone junco]

If you have access to 385 azerite. You clearly aren't having rotational problems.

[frosty gyro]

He doesn't have a choice

PvP azerite

SB or Fan of Blades or Liberator's might lol

[lone junco]

I probably have 6 combos that are within 0.2%

[pearl meteor]

at 385? your boosted

lmao

[real socket]

lol

[lone junco]

You missed the previous statement. Anyone with access to 385 knows how to throw a knife.

[frosty gyro]

Also @shadow pelican switch one of your enchants to deadly navigation don't run 2x quick. Switch your ring enchants from +7 haste to +27 haste it's not expensive. And switch your 30haste gem to a 40agi or 40haste or if those are too expensive 40crit

[pearl meteor]

didnt miss anything.

[real socket]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gxTkxrTw7Y3QsedRon65ii

[lone junco]

People are always giving mythic advice to players in normal /heroic with less than 10 days played on rogue.

[real socket]

i mean

i have less than 10 days played im pretty sure

[frosty gyro]

thro nife

[real socket]

this is my first xpac playing a rogue

[pearl meteor]

takes less than 10 days to learn the class lol

[real socket]

rogue is pretty ez coming from a feral druid lol

[pearl meteor]

can do it in 1-2 if u rly tried lol

[lone junco]

4garrotes in a row means he has stuff to work on.

[quick fog]

Learned Sub in like 2 hours lol

[pearl meteor]

for sure

[quick fog]

And Sin is pretty badic

Basic*

[pearl meteor]

all rogue specs are

atm

[quick fog]

ol you just have to figure out what to do with the dice

That's its

[cyan stump]

learning to play and optimally playing are two different things

[lone junco]

I know you have no clue what you are doing. But turning off your bars will solve it. 👌

[pearl meteor]

👏

[lone junco]

(That was a joke)

[shadow pelican]

I wanted to thank you all for your help and input

[pearl meteor]

yes i got it

lmao

[indigo plume]

base rotations are generally really easy to learn - I guess the skill with a rogue comes in with how well you can use all their utility

[frosty gyro]

btw looking for some sympathy from fellow rogues Fetid Devourer btw

[pearl meteor]

yikes

[indigo plume]

[pearl meteor]

did that on vectis last week

big oof

[quick fog]

Oops forgot CT

[lone junco]

I pulled taloc with Ct. made me sad.

[frosty gyro]

I did that for taloc mother and fetid got 98/99/99

[pearl meteor]

lmao

mythic?

[frosty gyro]

No just heroic

[pearl meteor]

ah ok

[frosty gyro]

Had 8 people no show for raid

[quick fog]

I mean, how much is PB gonna add?

[lone junco]

More than 0

[quick fog]

I dont know average dmg for it

[frosty gyro]

I just have 94s on taloc/mother mythic

It adds like 2%

[pearl meteor]

https://gyazo.com/936b50bcd1e500c72eef3ce149c52082

[quick fog]

So not enough to get your % higher

[pearl meteor]

my mythic fetid added about 2.55%

[quick fog]

No feels bads

Unless you're borderline

[pearl meteor]

eh it adds up

diff between 98 99 at times :p

[quick fog]

But what about the 100? 🤔

[pearl meteor]

that log i just linked is 100

well was on tuesday

isnt anymore lmao

[quick fog]

Playing out of your mind don't even need the whole skill set

[pearl meteor]

🤔

[quick fog]

I'm glad to be playing Sin again though. The variance in OL in parces was driving me crazy.

[pearl meteor]

outlul

[frosty gyro]

Sin feels pretty good to play as long as there are multiple targets which is most fights in uldir

[quick fog]

I started on sin so I was happy to switch. Especially with them getting better

[frosty gyro]

And Sin is safe from the nerf stick I'm guessing

I bet frost dk is gonna get it next

[pearl meteor]

i wld likely agree with that.

about frost dk atleast lmao

[strange python]

rogues seem pretty safe from the stick atm

[quick fog]

Sub might need a bump back up. But we know that is a very finicky area

[pearl meteor]

na it wont get changed

imo

[frosty gyro]

Sub isn't bad atm

It's just slightly worse than Sin ST

And it's really good for M Zul

[lone junco]

@pearl meteor nice vagueness 👌

[summer marten]

considering st its sub thing...

is*

[pearl meteor]

Lol

[lone junco]

I had a law professor that smacked us around a bit.

[frosty gyro]

Yeah Zul is a very ST fight 🤔

[lone junco]

"Words mean things". And "next time, think before you say something".

[pearl meteor]

u must rly like to argue with ppl huh lol

[lone junco]

That was like 10 years ago and it still stings.

I'm an engineer. So yes.

[pearl meteor]

fair enough.

[lone junco]

I've been trained. Absolutes are a bit strong for opinions. Like a mental taser. Zzap

That being said. SS is stupid strong for m+ and it actually takes some of the fun out of it. I never thought I would be bored of easy dps.

[pearl meteor]

wym triple garrote isnt fun and interactive?

:^)

or even

wait

6 garrote :^)

[atomic karma]

yo guys is it good to reapply garrotes after they run out with ss buff in high fortnkeys

[quick egret]

385 dd or 370 ss for raids and m plus?

[atomic karma]

or is it better to just only rupture and jf all ruptured then envenom

or is it better to donthe garrotes after all are ruptured

[quick egret]

Leaning on equipping my 370 for m plus

[pearl meteor]

what other traits u have patty / talents

for M+ i wld use SS but raid is diff

[quick egret]

Im using 370 Archive on the other two pieces

[pearl meteor]

may want to sim the DD not sure how it compares with other talent setup since im running double SS but i wld assume its better

[quick fog]

DD is theoretically best for raid.

[atomic karma]

any high level rogue players or sim lords on to answer my question

[pearl meteor]

kaneee everything shld b rupt b4 garrotes run out

so reapplying if they live that long is fine

[atomic karma]

yeah but if theres like 5 adds

on very high fort

do i prio rupture over garrot

for reapplying

[pearl meteor]

5-6 3x gar CT 3x gar

then rupt

[shadow pelican]

would SS be better then archive of the titans?

[pearl meteor]

uh

[atomic karma]

cause i see so many hugh level rogues not reapply garrotes after initial pull

[mossy hazel]

Idealy you want 1 of each Ammon

[pearl meteor]

with 2 of the trait yes

with 1 and no exsang unlikely

[atomic karma]

i mean outside off the ss garrotes anarchy

[pearl meteor]

oh

yea

dont reapply

till they run out

due to bug

[mossy hazel]

^

[atomic karma]

stop bro

i mean

when the garrotees run out

[pearl meteor]

lololol ur confusing af dude

[atomic karma]

i see so many high level rogues not reapply garrotes in high level aoe keys

[pearl meteor]

thats some monkey shit

[atomic karma]

after the initial 3x opener

[pearl meteor]

lmao

[atomic karma]

after they run out

[humble igloo]

When they have run out just reapply if the mob has enough health left

[fiery oxide]

Anyone simming low with exang/2xSS single target? Can’t break 15k...is SS undervalued on st sims or something?

[humble igloo]

?????

[pearl meteor]

depends on hp

lmao

like i said if they live long enough go for it

[atomic karma]

im seeing many high level m+ rogues barelu do it

[pearl meteor]

if they gonna die in 5s dont bother

[atomic karma]

i just see only rupture apply then they envenoming or spamming ct when its still at full ct

[pearl meteor]

@fiery oxide https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eT66CuDF9Ze5Gkii2FvcvE

double ss

[summer marten]

jacki what ilvls

[pearl meteor]

idk i havent had issues

[strange python]

sim for 500 less with same ilv 🔫 probs just cuz of shit traits and no gale ^^

[pearl meteor]

exsang ss build rly relies on haste

alot of it

[fiery oxide]

@pearl meteor cheers, what’s your haste % at?

[strange python]

yeah probably somewhat lacking on that too

thats why outlul sims more for me ^^

[fiery oxide]

Yeah my galecaller is only 340

[summer marten]

im hitting over 4000 haste in raids, exsang all the way

[shadow pelican]

ok so for my next question. and i am really sorry to bug you guys so much is it worth going from 370 shoulders to 340 if it has the SS trait ? i have 370 pvp shoulders on and not sure if i should scrap them to get the proper trait

[pearl meteor]

o.o

[summer marten]

with procs obviously

[strange python]

for m+ yes

[pearl meteor]

@fiery oxide i have 18% haste outside of raid

[mossy hazel]

Ammon, that's something you would determine via simming

[pearl meteor]

atm

[fiery oxide]

@summer marten 368 equipped

[pearl meteor]

like 23% in raid or something

[shadow pelican]

okies thank you again for all the help it helped improve my numbers

[strange python]

why dont they jsut make you get a guaranteed azerite piece from the weekly i fucking hate this shit

[fiery oxide]

@pearl meteor for m+ would you shift some into crit or still prio haste?

[pearl meteor]

cuz they dont want it to be farmable

[harsh glacier]

yeah they're just like "HaHaa now we can FORCE them to do world quests!!!"

[summer marten]

then its kinda low... probably not perfect stats and such

[strange python]

at least you could kinda farm legendaries

[pearl meteor]

i dont change it but thats a playstyle thing

[strange python]

as shit as that system was to start with

[pearl meteor]

and what u plan on doing i suppose

[shrewd bane]

wtf https://i.imgur.com/eG1DfXx.png

why do i miss things ?

oO

[pearl meteor]

cuz ur bad

jk idk

lmao

[harsh glacier]

what boss?

[sturdy python]

Is it counting parry as miss?

[wise socket]

Do you guys always just use Galecaller on CD? and do you delay exan to line up with galecaller?

[pearl meteor]

doubt it

[summer marten]

I am 20% base haste, 1368 rating... and get 375 from array, 1670 overwhelming power proc... haste weapon enchant and dice that procs haste, and still haste nr1 stat for exsang build

[pearl meteor]

use GC with ven/vanish/exsang

[shrewd bane]

vectis...

[pearl meteor]

on 2nd cd and pull

[shrewd bane]

on mother too wtf

i don't understand

[mossy hazel]

What the shit...?

[pearl meteor]

2nd GC use will b on cd / good time

[wise socket]

So on cd

[pearl meteor]

no

[bitter fractal]

hey I have a question . Did they buff SS again after they nerfed it to the ground?

[wise socket]

It has a 1 min cd

[pearl meteor]

2nd set of cd's is at 2:25 if ur playing right with exsang :p

[wise socket]

so it i use it on cd i will have it up with 2nd vendetta

[pearl meteor]

if ur playing tb yea

[shrewd bane]

like wtf

[wise socket]

oh you delay vendetta for exan?

[pearl meteor]

mhm

[shrewd bane]

on fetid hm second dps ok (first was another sin rogue)

[pearl meteor]

unless u lose casts

[shrewd bane]

and on vectis i'm 14

like

what

[pearl meteor]

play better

lmao

[mossy hazel]

2cp rupture after vanish, but with 2 envenoms in there instead of just a full cp rupture...

[shrewd bane]

i play as usual

usually top 5.....

idk

going to hang myself

[pearl meteor]

rofl

r u playing exsang?

for vectis

[sturdy python]

Is that auto attacks missing?

[shrewd bane]

nah anarchy

[pearl meteor]

ss or no

[shrewd bane]

and idk why i miss some attacks wtf

one ss

for combo point

[pearl meteor]

mythic or heroic

[shrewd bane]

and because i don't have anything better

hm

[proper wing]

On how many targets is it worth to start using CT in m+? (assuming they will survive the whole duration)

[pearl meteor]

3

[proper wing]

Cool, ty

[pearl meteor]

@shrewd bane mythic vec or heroic

[shrewd bane]

hm

heoric

[pearl meteor]

if ur guild/grp kills adds fast u significantly drop off in heroic

top logs will have lower add dmg from every1 else in heroic :p

since mythic lasts 10-15s for add easier to maintain top

[shrewd bane]

do we agree that

haste > crit >

[pearl meteor]

mhm

[shrewd bane]

i'm checking that rogue and he has 8% haste....

[pearl meteor]

who

[nova hamlet]

I did the first rank world on vectis hm playing tb

[pearl meteor]

tb isnt better or worse than exsang

its a gear thing

[high siren]

teach me master

[pearl meteor]

i got r1 fetid mythic as exsang, it rly depends on u

[high siren]

fetid highly depends on your raid comp and raid dps

[nova hamlet]

I think the différence ils like 0.01 % dps

[pearl meteor]

if u have dps to kill fetid it will hardly make a diff

[nova hamlet]

For bosses like monter and fetid yea sure exg is better cause u have a short burst window

[high siren]

the sooner you get to 50% dmg bonus, the better

[pearl meteor]

ideally when i got r1 wldve killed it 30s-1m earlier but uk not everything is gonna go that way

every fight is that way

you can say that about any fight

[real socket]

if I dont have an envemon ready I should hold my TB right

[shrewd bane]

but

HOW

https://i.imgur.com/Gyqd6ly.png

[pearl meteor]

situational but if u dont lose a cast yea

[shrewd bane]

or it's a bug

[real socket]

i c

[pearl meteor]

i wld still use on cd

but thats just not knowing fight timings perfectly.

[real socket]

yeah,

[pearl meteor]

if ur holding for 2s each cast and fight ends at 4:40 your going to miss a c ast

so it rly depends i suppose

[real socket]

ah ok, i get it

[pearl meteor]

easiest answer is no :p

lmao

[real socket]

haha

[pearl meteor]

perfection answer is math it out

🤷

[magic zenith]

I may be an outlier, but I think doing the triple garrote in m+ is interesting aside from just being big damage. I mean what's the theoretical alternative? Base line sin aoe of spam fan tab rupture?

Don't get me wrong, it's not challenging, but I do think it's at least an interesting way to open.

[pearl meteor]

its def something

[magic zenith]

Something > nothing

[pearl meteor]

ye

👏

[long portal]

It's very valuable outside of the dps too. Just the silence aspect of it is insane in several dungeons

[pearl meteor]

wire talent

op

:p

[magic zenith]

yeah wire win

[quick fog]

It was insane in Shrine cause half of the mobs are casters

[long portal]

Yeah, it's good for getting all the caster mobs out of the oozes, etc. Just dont use crippling poison

[lone junco]

@pearl meteor ?

[pearl meteor]

hm?

like i said

on tuesday

[lone junco]

is that you?

ah

[pearl meteor]

that log was wed

and mine are private :p

[cinder yoke]

so, super random question, is there a known bug with vectis' room/fight that lowers agi?

[pearl meteor]

https://gyazo.com/4a56c13afe11f180f307a6b5d3807d97

3rd now

[lone junco]

I had a super good pull with bracers in Legion, because it was execute with a ton of deaths. so Fetid is probably the same way.

[cinder yoke]

i was looking over logs from last night, and both rogues had 1000 less agi on vectis than on fetid

[lone junco]

made me check that #1 log

[pearl meteor]

never noticed grim

[lone junco]

monster executes enjoy deaths

[pearl meteor]

not sure ill check

[cinder yoke]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/DaFRW8Q1J2BhLMzf#fight=2&type=summary&source=21

legit not possible to have 5800 agi at 373

[pearl meteor]

my agi was same

for both

so unsure

[cinder yoke]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/DaFRW8Q1J2BhLMzf#fight=last&type=summary&source=21

that is ~2 hours later maybe

[lone junco]

is this a lot for 1 trait? seems not

r1 parse gonna r1 tho

lots of weird shit happening all at the same time.

[upper shoal]

Overwhelming power realistically is weaker than Heed in raid right?

[lone junco]

you can sim the differences in Top Gear. probably depends on ST vs AOE

[pearl meteor]

no

[lone junco]

but heed wins on my stuff

[vale scroll]

question is about uptime for overwhelming, since you loose stacks when taking dmg

[pearl meteor]

ik

[upper shoal]

Showing overwhelming is better by some, but does the sims take into account tick dmg which removes stacks?

[pearl meteor]

global cd on u losing them mostly will b fine with it in raid

still outweighs mine.

that r1 log on fetid rn has stupid crits

[hasty wing]

ayy im famous

[edgy latch]

does he put rupture on egg or just 100% boss?

[pearl meteor]

ask him

hes right there lmao

[edgy latch]

who dat

[pearl meteor]

but both

[hasty wing]

yeah i got lucky with crits

[lone junco]

@hasty wing ayy

[pearl meteor]

ur crit rate is actually dumb lmao

but nice log

[lone junco]

was nice of all those people to die for you as well.

[hasty wing]

yup xD

[pearl meteor]

eh wldve been better if died sooner

[long portal]

Love team effort logs :)

[hasty wing]

also was a bit late on the 3rd add and lost 4-5sec on vendatta

[pearl meteor]

ye

tbh at that point u shlda just yolo'd on boss

rofl

[hasty wing]

haha yeah

[lone junco]

is this normal mythic to hold for the egg?

[pearl meteor]

cds? yes

[lone junco]

thats a bummer

[pearl meteor]

sin is either 1st and 3rd add or on pull 2nd add and boss again at end

depending on wat ur guild needs

[long portal]

Really depends on your comp. There are a lot of 'right' ways to do it

[lone junco]

i guess, nothing puts 2nd and 3rd at 50% so its still just one in vuln

[pearl meteor]

yea

ideally in his log he wldve wanted on pull / 2nd add / boss

with his crits n shit prob clda ended at 22k+

[lone junco]

yeah.

[pearl meteor]

misses an entire cast on ven/vanish

doing adds for guild

[lone junco]

right. but its not like you would have had double vendetta on boss anyway post 50%

[pearl meteor]

mhm but it still spikes

getting the one

[pearl meteor]

he gets none

[lone junco]

that tail is pretty high

[lime wedge]

Anyone who knows how to use dooms wake to it's best? is it just use it with vendetta

[lone junco]

idk. I think it was a 7% loss from my trinkets

[pearl meteor]

https://gyazo.com/92fd2b1d58923c6bb31ffed904bee224

that was my fetid spikes

lmao

and yes w/ cds @lime wedge

[long portal]

You're on mass I assume?

[pearl meteor]

boss mass boss

[edgy latch]

i got to be on mass first night on fetid

rl made me go sub for our kill night

rip

[long portal]

Well yeah lol. I'm pretty sure I have to play sub with my team comp and be little add whore

[pearl meteor]

u can do p well as sub too

our sub did 15k dps

last week

[edgy latch]

but holding symbols

for adds

is zz

[pearl meteor]

i mean u dont rly hold

it just comes up at them

u hold dances tho

[long portal]

Whatever kills the boss is fine with me :)

[pearl meteor]

msg me if u want perfect run down for sub lmao

[fallow estuary]

i can't crack 17k sim.. idk what my biggest lagluster is tho - maybe trinkets? But galecallers in 370 only sims 50dps more

[pearl meteor]

sub in guild wrote it all out

[fallow estuary]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9ottTymTcDvqtpfwys9aTA

where does my gear suck? What should i farm next?

[pearl meteor]

if u had better traits u wld b 17k

uhm other than that a boosted galecallers

even 370? maybe

but ur gear is p nuts

its mostly traits imo

[fallow estuary]

370 is "only" 50dps upgrade but yea

[pearl meteor]

ahh yea

[next creek]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > mastery > vers >= haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.

[pearl meteor]

bigger for exsang

[lone junco]

ugh

[crisp hazel]

Hey, with galecallers where’d you fit it in on opener?

[lone junco]

I am not the purple

[pearl meteor]

with exsang or tb

eh use it with vendetta

either way

what is that log for noobe

[lone junco]

fetid

[pearl meteor]

o

[lone junco]

I burned my vanish at 20s instead of 60

[lime wedge]

Is it better to use 1 on use trinekt and 1 passive or 2x on use trinkets? Giving that there´s a 30 sec CD on your 2nd on use trinket.

[lone junco]

so I got a vanish gg. he got a pot vanish gg exang in vuln

[pearl meteor]

1 use 1 passive

@lime wedge

[lone junco]

my ilvl is pretty low, and raid is massive with a bunch of shitters so my kill times are long. So I look at compare logs instead of r1.

[lime wedge]

oke ty @pearl meteor for the fast 2 answers so far <3.

[lone junco]

like taloc. we stand at the edge like a bunch of monkeys while the range smoke the slimes.

finally had a hpal beacon me so i could run in for contact time.

[pearl meteor]

yea

its p aids on taloc

unless u want to b a monkey in the shit :^)

[lone junco]

GTFO yelling at me is enough to say fuck that log.

Ill get a good one soon, and just stop

[pearl meteor]

rofl

[lone junco]

zek voz went badly again. someone ganked my orb. so i sat on cooly for too long, and then desync.

rshm took one, threw the whole thing off.

bear tank got MC. so he must have taken one.

[pearl meteor]

yikes

[lone junco]

there it is

cool story

[pearl meteor]

gotta love zek

[lone junco]

once we wrap ghuun in a few weeks. I hope to at least kill mother mythic, but we will prob just stop there.

its a fucking clown show

[haughty flame]

not sure how @fallow estuary is simming that high

[lone junco]

381?

[pearl meteor]

i sim 16.6

with 385 helm im over 17k 🤷

hes 377 with good gear

[haughty flame]

im 375 and i only sim at like 15.5k

[pearl meteor]

link

[haughty flame]

sec just dling adodns

[pearl meteor]

im 374 at 16.6 ish

[lime wedge]

Does anyone know if any of our dots snapshot anymore?

[haughty flame]

but i got shit traits

[pearl meteor]

with gc they do

[lone junco]

just exang @lime wedge

[pearl meteor]

@lime wedge

GC exsang

yeeee

its lit

[lone junco]

any haste you have is frozen into the exang.

[pearl meteor]

mhm

[lone junco]

@haughty flame for scale, im 360 at 14.9k

its been a good week.

[haughty flame]

i got 0 BiS traits

not even close to BiS

[pearl meteor]

have a raid trait?

[haughty flame]

1

[pearl meteor]

ok good

[haughty flame]

ill link in a sec

[pearl meteor]

ye

[haughty flame]

just DLing my driver

[lime wedge]

ok ty ❤

[lone junco]

archive + dd/ss/ditb

[haughty flame]

really makes me wanna go to outlaw as my gear is phat for that spec

[lone junco]

im actually using blood rite or what not

[haughty flame]

but i just love sin

[lone junco]

outlaw sucks to play imo

and i have like 30 /days maybe as outlaw

[haughty flame]

i dont mind outlaw

just i like sin

[strange python]

Outlaw?

[lone junco]

ss sin in M+ is better than anything that came out of legion shoulder memes.

[pearl meteor]

15.5 isnt bad

[strange python]

You mean reroll 30 times to get a good buf law

[lone junco]

more like 4 but yeah.

[haughty flame]

15.5k at 375 is shite imo

[pearl meteor]

i simmed at 15.4 when i got r1 fetid i mean sin is just very like practical

for bosses

atm

[lone junco]

just dont bork your cds. and it is pretty straight forward performance.

[pearl meteor]

then i got shoulders on zul and went up 1.1k

xD

[lone junco]

what is zul trait?

[haughty flame]

well

[strange python]

its archive

[pearl meteor]

its just archive but i was able to switch chest to SS

[strange python]

with scent I think

[haughty flame]

i use SS ilvl 340

[pearl meteor]

at 385

[lone junco]

yeah, i could do that. zul to archive shoulder, then hat to ss from archive

[haughty flame]

simming now

[pearl meteor]

ye

its p good

if u have 2 SS

[lone junco]

would be 3x 370

[pearl meteor]

and exsang

big inc

[lone junco]

my ss shoulder is 340

so currently using 370 blood rite.

[pearl meteor]

hey thats what i was using

340 shoulder 355 helm

and 385 chest

[dusky tinsel]

How frequent are you guys casting CT on Zek'voz Silithid Warriors? Do you cast it in place of envenom outside of maintaining rupture on 2 or 3 targets?

[pearl meteor]

once

if your in prog i dont run it

CT is for pad :p

lmao

unless ur rly lacking war dmg

then maybe spam it

[haughty flame]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/j5keh9pVApWwt7CTFVpkyM

[dusky tinsel]

Wasn't sure if there was a designated target count that CT becomes a generic finisher outside of maintaining rupture, been watching some M+ streams and they spam CT instead at really high target count so wasn't sure if that was the same for Zekvoz warriors or not.

[pearl meteor]

6

for dmg output

@haughty flame fathoms

and azerite

[split oracle]

Should i use 1xSS and 2xArchive or just 3x archive in raid encounters?

[haughty flame]

i got fathoms

[pearl meteor]

1x ss 2x arch @split oracle

[haughty flame]

no azerite

[pearl meteor]

fathoms over dice

[hollow stone]

Fathoms over most things tbh

[pearl meteor]

but also sim it

[hollow stone]

Wtb being able to craft higher ilvl fathoms. Pst

[pearl meteor]

pls

[hollow stone]

My ilvl epeen is smaller cause of that glorious trinket

[pearl meteor]

right?

feelsbadman

[dusky tinsel]

so 6+ targets CT> envenom, and that doesn't replace maintaining rupture on 1-2 targets right? Forgive me, just made the swap to Sin this week and didn't see any specifics in the guide.

[pearl meteor]

381 in bags 374 equipped triggered btw

right @dusky tinsel

[hollow stone]

Ok im not THAT bad 376 eq 379 bag

[dusky tinsel]

ty @pearl meteor appreciate the help ❤

[pearl meteor]

if your in prog on zek i wld throw up a few ruptures on wars if they arnt dying b4 spamming

personal thing tho :p

[glass vessel]

i would think evneom + FoK spam does far more than just using CT as a finisher with 6+ targets

[hollow stone]

What did you switch from @dusky tinsel? Cause outlul is pretty dope for zek, esp if your group is lacking in aoe

[glass vessel]

outlul is nuts for zek. i run it just to assert dominance on the meters

[sick eagle]

What is better for m+ 2 shrouded(340 and 370) with a 370 Rupture agility buff or 3 shrouded(2 340 and 1 370)?

[pearl meteor]

uh

i wld go rupture agi but thats jus me

u shld sim it

[glass vessel]

sim it

[pearl meteor]

[hollow stone]

I would go 3 ss. So should prob sim

[sick eagle]

but for m+ not st

[glass vessel]

you can sim m+

[pearl meteor]

sim patchwerk 40s 6 targets

or something like that lol

[glass vessel]

just do 5+ targets for ~40seconds if you're doing higher keys

[lone junco]

@sick eagle 6t40s turn off raid buffs.

[dusky tinsel]

Swapped from Sub because RNG Azerite shoulders were a downgrade for Sub but made Sin significantly better

385 +10 shoulders that is

[glass vessel]

which ones did oyug et?

[hollow stone]

Fair nuff, sin is fine for zek. Its just outlaw so guuuud

[pearl meteor]

rupture trait in M+ is p op too @hollow stone

[dusky tinsel]

double dose, no decent sub traits

[lone junco]

Rupture would be good if you monster pull

[pearl meteor]

with 6 targets maintain rupture thats like what 700+ agi

[sturdy python]

The problem with swimming 40s on Aoe is its going to lust and consider your CDs being used every time you pull. So I would consider that

[lone junco]

but if your group is a bitch like mine and always pulling 3-4. stick with 3ss

[pearl meteor]

u can take out that

[glass vessel]

fuck maintainging rupture on 6 targets lol

[sturdy python]

I know but not everyone remembers to

[lone junco]

2cp+ is easy

[hollow stone]

I know, i run 1ss 1arch 1sob in m+ w the gear i have. I just feel bad for sob on st; its not tyrannical tho so its not as noticeable this week

[pearl meteor]

gotcha

also maintaining rupture is easy

[hollow stone]

And usually we're pulling like 4 packs

[pearl meteor]

fair enough

[hollow stone]

So its not as good as it could be if my tank had balls 😃

[haughty flame]

well

[pearl meteor]

at that point rupture gets more value tho just putting out a few

[haughty flame]

i just killed zul and got the shoulders 😄

[pearl meteor]

the agi will outweigh with fok spam

[haughty flame]

so

[lone junco]

@hollow stone I fucking wish. I swear to god. we pulled waycrest 1 pack at a time. 3mobs. over and over.

[pearl meteor]

🤷

[glass vessel]

if i G-G-G-CT-FoK-R then start envenom + FoK spamming my damage is significantly higher than trying to get up rupture on 6 targets

[haughty flame]

what am i playing now, chest and shoulders with archive and 345 h elm with SS?

[sturdy python]

That's how my guild tank pulls, its so frustrating lol

[dusky tinsel]

@lone junco thats why I pug most of my keys past a 10, guildies can be hard to rely on

[hollow stone]

Did waycrest on my mage... we had some big fuckin' worms from bolstering lmao

[pearl meteor]

im not telling u to actually keep it up on all 6 @glass vessel

[sturdy python]

Like necrotic fort week sure

[pearl meteor]

but the more targets the more a few ruptures is worth b4 spamming fok

over ss

[glass vessel]

rupture is only worth for the energy and there's no need for more than 2 rupture targets with triple garrote rolling. diffierent after those drop off of course

then i spam rupture everywhere

[hollow stone]

Or sob. Energy or sob trait

[pearl meteor]

agi will still outweigh

[haughty flame]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fTyTPJsoidSorh1YeXKYcS

[pearl meteor]

if ur pulling 5 packs

🤷

y u simming for 6mins

monkey

[haughty flame]

then

wut shld it be lol

[pearl meteor]

5

🤷

[haughty flame]

O.o

[pearl meteor]

5 is standard idk rofl

[glass vessel]

wow galecallers is only worth 70 more dps than dice

that's interesting

[haughty flame]

i really cant play without SS its weird

i need that extra 2 CB's

[pearl meteor]

galecallers gains more with exsang

[glass vessel]

makes me feel less bad about not having a galecallers lol

[pearl meteor]

alot more

[dusky tinsel]

wish I could get a galecallers or a loaded dice, RNG hates me 😦

[pearl meteor]

@haughty flame https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iREW4AmyyBPYUNfqPp2H2h

closer and closer to 17k lmao

[glass vessel]

4 fuull heroic clears. 2 pieces of azerite. that includes rerolls too. fucked

[haughty flame]

but thats without any SS trait

[pearl meteor]

ik

[haughty flame]

and i hate to play that way T_T

i cant go back to 1 cb

[languid trout]

then don't and do less dps :p

[pearl meteor]

@glass vessel all my azerite has come from guildies not needing

[long portal]

Do you neeeeeeeeeed?

[pearl meteor]

im like the poor kid who gets all the shit ppl donnt need

[glass vessel]

i wish it was the same for me. we have a lot of leather peeps and a lot of people with bad luck so no one shares the wealth x)

[pearl meteor]

same others needs but i top meters alot in prog so i get prio 👏

[glass vessel]

plat wearers get all the azerite gear in my raid rofl

[ripe saddle]

Hey yall

[pearl meteor]

yea... we have 2 plate wearers n they both like all 385s lol

[glass vessel]

mythrax literally dropped 6 rings in our heroic clear alst night

[pearl meteor]

rofl

[glass vessel]

fucking stupid

[pearl meteor]

i swear bosses are designed to drop all the same shit this tier

[fathom echo]

can anyone help me out with a log? see where im fucking up

[pearl meteor]

yea

maybe

link

[long portal]

I notice that a lot with rings/capes

[pearl meteor]

im tired tho

[nova gorge]

I'd also like some log help if anyone is able

[long portal]

Whole raid will get the same cloak or ring from a boss kill

[ripe saddle]

I am leveling my rogue and noticed the 3 specs do about same dmg while assassin is best for patchwerk. Wanted to ask if anyone else play all 3 spec and what spec do you prefer and why :). I will be looking thru all the rogue guides etc, just wanted personal opinions

[glass vessel]

yea rings and capes are everywhere. i have no doubts its not equal drop chance

but blizz will never admit that

[ripe saddle]

Oops, I will post it in rogue-general

[long portal]

I've done heroic/mythic(and a few normals) of Mother every week and haven't had 1 dagger drop :( #personallootisawful

[tribal lark]

@pearl meteor little closer https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kSdfJuLbUDYJqfNRySyaDM

[strange python]

guys

can i ask something?

[mossy hazel]

No

[pearl meteor]

nice @tribal lark

sure @strange python

[tribal lark]

shit traits

[strange python]

i want to create maacro for assa rogue

[pearl meteor]

yup

[strange python]

for auto attack + garrote for example

can you give me some advice

[pearl meteor]

uh

macro for what

in specific?

[long portal]

/startattack

[pearl meteor]

rogue in general shld have mouseover/focus Shadowstep/interupt then dots for sin

for basic ones i suppose

[nova gorge]

My rogue is Zuglife - feel free to have a look at whatever fights but I thought this would be a reasonable one

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/8ZGNVcjWh3q1YFrM#fight=1&type=damage-done

I'm feeling my Rupture uptime is too low but any pointers appreciated

[pearl meteor]

which rogue r u

zug or tele

[nova gorge]

Zug

[mossy hazel]

I don't think that's bad uptime on taloc. Phase 2 you don't touch him...

[haughty flame]

guys

i just dnt know how to play my rotation without SS

T_T

[strange python]

@pearl meteor can you give me your macro plz

[pearl meteor]

not online atm

if u dm me i will when i get on later

[strange python]

ok bro thanks

i add you in discord

[icy temple]

What was the name of the site that analyzes ur logs and give tips

[pearl meteor]

dont us eit

[mossy hazel]

wowanalyzer

[pearl meteor]

use it *

lmao

[mossy hazel]

Yea, it doesn't work great for rogue

[ionic charm]

It just tells you stupid easy stuff to tell from logs. Energy wasted, combo points wasted, dot uptimes

[compact bolt]

So for regular progression content do you prefer cheat death or leeching? I dont stand in stuff so i think leeching tends to help a little more

[ionic charm]

Cheat death is life

[vernal atlas]

are you guys runnng crimson tempest in m+??

[mossy hazel]

I like cheat death because in mythic if you misstep once you're likely going to die

[glass vessel]

@vernal atlas most people do, yes

[pearl meteor]

@nova gorge dm'd u first thing

[nova gorge]

Cheers dude

[compact bolt]

@vernal atlas i do if it's a week we can pull a bunch together

[pearl meteor]

ill take a closer look ina few

[mossy hazel]

Going left 1 step before realizing you need to go right is literally a death in so many mechanics

[ionic charm]

Leeching poison is insignificant unless you’re on like vectis and your healers are oom on progression. Cheat death is just too good to pass up

[vale scroll]

what if my healers are bad ?

[mossy hazel]

You're going to die anyway then. Lol

[ionic charm]

A talent that has a small chance to save a bres is much more valuable than 1k hps

Like that’s nothing at all

[compact bolt]

Very valid

[elder kiln]

can cloak remove debuffs on mythic fetid

[glass vessel]

but i also parse for healing @ionic charm !

[elder kiln]

if anyone knows

[mossy hazel]

Not the whole debuff I don't think

[ionic charm]

If you want to parse for healing then you want to die from the biggest ability you can, cheat death counts for double your life lul

[mossy hazel]

Pretty sure it negates the damage, but it still spreads? IUt was something a little wierd

[pearl meteor]

@elder kiln it can prevent u from getting big debuff if used right b4 small finishes

[dense quest]

you'd want to cloak the tail end of the debuff it wont remove it but prevents the damage

especially if you get double stacks

[pearl meteor]

it prevents it from getting big

so in tight areas/on add

[mossy hazel]

The Raid tips in the guide have all that info for each boss too, Btw

[pearl meteor]

also for vectis

[ionic charm]

Stops you from getting stacks in vectis too if you cloak the last 5s

Beat me

[pearl meteor]

elsuvieness when u have debuff will do more than leeching poison

fyi

[elder kiln]

was just asking for rogue in my guild, just started progging on it

[pearl meteor]

so if they r rly going oom / need help the dmg reduction shld b good

[elder kiln]

figured someone would answer quicker than me reading

thanks all!

[pearl meteor]

np gl

[mossy hazel]

Send him the Guide!

[pearl meteor]

@elder kiln he can also shadowstep right b4 knockback goes out to avoid it completely or right after

before is pro tho :p

can move out if others do it after lmao

[ionic charm]

Doing it before makes my butthole clench too much

[pearl meteor]

Its pro on mythic

Can do it with debuff n move b4 spreading

[elder kiln]

@strange python

[ionic charm]

Yeah I start Fetid this weekend so we’ll see how it goes

[haughty flame]

@pearl meteor u think i should be playing my build without SS

[pearl meteor]

Gl

Uh

For which boss

[haughty flame]

guess generally

[pearl meteor]

For which boss

Or in general

[haughty flame]

if specifically im on vectis mythic

[pearl meteor]

I wld in general yes

On vectis no

[hollow stone]

In general, for raid, ss is ehh

[molten scroll]

Hey boys, sorry but I was wondering, crit > hast > mastery > versa for m+ and hast > crit > mastery > versa for ST right? or something i didnt understand

[pearl meteor]

I wld play exsang ss and vanish garrote add and boss when first comes out

[haughty flame]

saem

same

[pearl meteor]

Its op to say least

[haughty flame]

but i mean for others

[pearl meteor]

Lmao

Fetid ss mother no zek no taloc no

Zul sub myth ss

[ionic charm]

I like my sharpened blades for the add, seems to get one 30 stack per add

[pearl meteor]

Ye its not bad either

Playstyle at that point

[hollow stone]

The adds also line up perfectly with tb. Just to play the other side of the field

[pearl meteor]

Fair enough

[ionic charm]

I only use Sb because it’s 385, but it ends up being useful in a lot of situations

[pearl meteor]

Ive only play exsang cuz ive simmed higher st n more burst so i wldnt know tb tricks