Mage*
#assassination
calm grail
lucid bolt
shit I'd happily watch a bot play this game for me as long as i get loots
cerulean walrus
Hey @calm grail leave the Big Brain Math to @lone junco
dry vine
Just macro it into 1 button
calm grail
I do
wheat zealot
Youll love classic then
ionic charm
Arcane mage is basically 1 button but you have to think about whether you want to use it or not sometimes
lucid bolt
@dry vine who do you think I am Bill Gays?
cerulean walrus
Be a paladin! Run around mindlessly and spam Blessings on people
calm grail
I come to Noobe with all my concerns.
lone junco
đ
cerulean walrus
Knowing that they'll fall off the first person by the time you're done
lucid bolt
thats too hard fereran
20 people in a raid plus having to do my rotation wtf thats extremely hard
calm grail
I think I had a nearly perfect Zekvoz pull last night
lucid bolt
r u trying to kill me?
calm grail
Shit was ace
wheat zealot
The rotation is the buffs lul
lucid bolt
i legit run out of breath just with my opener
cerulean walrus
Yes!
wheat zealot
You never actually do any damage
cerulean walrus
Exactly! @wheat zealot
calm grail
The funny thing is, I can play a mean fight, but I can't tell you how, that's when I bother Noobe for an explanation.
Of why things went well
lucid bolt
noobe can u critique my raidbots dps and tlel me where i need to fix shit?
lone junco
These fights are too weird tho.
jagged elk
hey guys!
when do we vanish without SS traits and with master assassin talent? cant find it in the guide
lone junco
And no rogues on Ghuun đŠ
calm grail
Noobe tell me what I did right here.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/2p9QqLGRcN8zKY3k/#fight=13&view=rankings
wheat zealot
All the other rogues in my guild rerolled after nerfs, no competition feelsbadman
lucid bolt
lucid bolt
r u asking me to get a sex change?
vital haven
should name change as well
lucid bolt
that might help with my gold income...
calm grail
I mean I'm Just shy of the 17k club as a human male
vital haven
he he
wheat zealot
Im just trolling, i just find humans so boring
calm grail
I raced changed solely because I like the way the elite PVP armor looks...
wheat zealot
Troll
ionic charm
Go troll or go home
weak pine
You need to change weapon enchantments
lucid bolt
im gonna go kul tiran!
calm grail
Thicchuman
wheat zealot
Fat kul tiran sub rogue
lucid bolt
a thicc female kul tiran makes bank in goldshire
cerulean walrus
As stealthy as the Hulkbuster Iron Man suit
calm grail
So when you Shadow strike somebody you're actually just crushing them?
wheat zealot
Can you imagine a kul tiran in bloodfang armor? 
calm grail
T10
lucid bolt
im seriously considering prostituting myself in goldshire does that actually make gold? i dont know how to make gold in this game
calm grail
Geist set
weak pine
Go pick up herbs and mine nodes
wheat zealot
Will be a lot of meme sets for lul tirans
weak pine
Decent gold
lucid bolt
why is my text red?
weak pine
But by far the best money maker for new players is to go do an hour of overtime work and buy token
lucid bolt
lol jelo im considering that
calm grail
Almost 500 sanguicell nothing to make.
lucid bolt
but the wife wont let me
calm grail
keen spruce
all that sanguicell didn't go to waste
lucid bolt
freaking expulsom is impossible to get its so stupid
keen spruce
weak pine
Unless you're multi-millionaire flipper
weak pine
and selling pets on every single server
lucid bolt
for what? shmoops?
wheat zealot
Spending 20 dollars on 100k gold feelsbadman
keen spruce
then scrap them all for expulsom
lucid bolt
bracers ? what for?
wheat zealot
Felt better when it was at least 200k
weak pine
it's 100k gold on us?
keen spruce
that's how I get mine
lucid bolt
oh snap
calm grail
Yeah
lucid bolt
dood shmoops u are a fucking genius!
wheat zealot
Yeah tokens are dirt cheap on us
calm grail
US is 100k
keen spruce
on Sargeras bones are kind of expensive
weak pine
It's still 170k in EU
lucid bolt
we need more intelligent people in here like shmoops
keen spruce
but it's about 50k for 50 expulsom
weak pine
It was mostly over 300k during last tier
lone junco
Too many words. I'm at work and can't read logs on phone. Sry bros.
lucid bolt
oh god thats still al ot i only have ilke 75k to my name
keen spruce
depending on procs and price
calm grail
God dammit noobe
keen spruce
what sever are you on?
lucid bolt
kel'thuzad
weak pine
Should've played during legion or WoD if gold is what you want
so easy money for no work
lone junco
Send in dm. I can peek later.
wheat zealot
Yeah its a lot harder to get gold now
lucid bolt
so u mean to say all i needt o do is build a time machine?
wheat zealot
Missions give shit loot
lucid bolt
lol yeah indicaz wtf
keen spruce
yeah same as Sargeras
lucid bolt
175 gp for the chance to miss out on rep in case that shit shows up
near ice
Hello guys ! I have a little question, i have 2 double dose and 1 archive of titans, what talent i can play ?
keen spruce
about 35 gold per blood stained bone 
lucid bolt
i need like 20 expulsom
lucid bolt
to get 370 boots
lucid bolt
4-600 of what?
keen spruce
blood stained bones
lucid bolt
oh hmm
keen spruce
then spend your afternoon standing by the scrapper
lucid bolt
i got ez scrap its great
jovial swallow
wich traits are bis atm for assa in m+?
lucid bolt
so buy bloodstained bone, build bracers, sell make gold rinse repeat ill be a millionaire in no time
weak pine
@jovial swallow for m+ 3xSS
lone junco
@near ice sim talent compare. But ma tb will beat out the subterfuge exang.
@jovial swallow there should be a section about m+ in the guide.
I'm down to 2k g. Repairs tonight gonna be sketchy.
lucid bolt
my guild took away guild repairs too im so fucked
hollow stone
2k....... arent you on thrall?
near ice
@lone junco Do you think master assassin + TB it was good for my azérite traits ?
lone junco
Was at 1m in wod. But the phone ah app was my gold generator.
Na us thrall
Err. Horde
hollow stone
Add my thrall alt: swagmessiah. Send me mail asking for gold
lucid bolt
they need to unban reckful :.(
near ice
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wBPcJ2TB2DAX8r2uErHfkP it was okay i think ^^
lone junco
I'll send you a pic of my dog. He's pretty cute.
lucid bolt
if i could find the person keeping back reckful from being unbanned i might just have to spec assassin IRL
lone junco
Long haired daschund.
daring imp
oh god
keen spruce
no no no @lucid bolt build bracers
hollow stone
Either way, dog or "dog" i still win
keen spruce
scrap bracers
lone junco
Wooo
calm grail
Yehhh
keen spruce
craft 385 gear
lucid bolt
i didnt know versatility was bad lol
rustic onyx
Is there some situation in which exsanguinate is better than tb ( for example like subterfuge and some SS trait are good when you have add spawn/boss +%dmg taken ) ? Wondering cause the difference is pretty negligible in sim for me and if i should adapte depending on boss fight
lone junco
I should have done log review for gold /nod
lucid bolt
lol your emote game is strong
calm grail
hollow stone
Idk how much gold i still have on thrall but its def gonna be more than 2k and you dont even have to review my logs
lucid bolt
ugh im at the office and the two people working below me are just non stop casual flirting i feel like im in the 5th grade
ornate mantle
hey guys , got a question about elvui idk if i am able to ask that on this channel tho?
calm grail
Sure
keen spruce
you can ask
calm grail
We're pretty much just shitposting right now
lucid bolt
check the pins!
keen spruce
sim yo self!
lucid bolt
lol
daring imp
AMA about elvui, i don't know any answers tho lul
ornate mantle
i wanna enable the buffs and debuffs of the target or me
lucid bolt
be back later boyos
ornate mantle
but i dont know where
hollow stone
Elvui forums are really good for elvui stuff. What do you mean? On unit frames or name plates?
ornate mantle
not nameplates but the normal hp bars
daring imp
you want to see every buff/debuff there is on the game
ornate mantle
i want to see the enemy buffs and debuffs but not more than the ones i do
daring imp
oh, only personal ones?
ornate mantle
yea but i got the config from someone
hollow stone
Yea. Some asshole had "nameistoolon" when i xfer'd.. got it back tho on new server but not for my rouge
daring imp
lul
pallid spruce
Hey many says in youtube videos that Shrouded Suffocation is must to have but it gives only 2 combo points if i am stealth i mean generates but after that useless during the time..
daring imp
for m+ you have restealths often enough for it to be useable almost every pull given your tank doesn't chain pull like a mofo
pallid spruce
even bloodmallet says it is avarage but some player such as Luxthos says other wise
hollow stone
What ong said: its really strong in m+ and decent on st
daring imp
for bosses tho i recommend simming it, it's definitely not the toppest of the top pick anymore
pallid spruce
the guy who makes all weak auras at least some of them
hollow stone
So its still good
daring imp
nah
hollow stone
No outlaw rogues here hides
haughty flame
xD
daring imp
i wonder what would happen if assassination had alacrity
haughty flame
im in love with sin but sadly have 0 king good azerite pieces
hollow stone
Prob wouldnt need vigor and would mfd the world
elder garden
Ran some mythics last night with my friends. Felt good to put up some high numbers as Sin. What are your thoughts on Crimson tempest in m+?
daring imp
great for fortified and big pulls
hollow stone
All joking aside. With the specs being so close overall, play the spec youre best at and/or the one you have best az and weaps for
daring imp
w/o wipes i can almost all the time pull 13~14k overall deeps on 10's & 11's if the tank isn't a douchebag chain pulling everything
with ct
ripe comet
played ct since Bad Release in m+ , changed in monday to poison Bomb and it feels better in Group fights and i feel i do more dmg
slender peak
Thats about what I pull with CT overall i. High keys
ripe comet
Maybe i play Ct just wrong dunno
daring imp
well for m+ i'm not sure it's that different
slender peak
If you get good procs pb works but I fee CT is still more consistent dps on higher keys
daring imp
you don't need haste for m+ as assassination
for the majority* of the dungeons atleast
slender peak
Especially since you dont get as big of pulls for the juicy pb procs
ripe comet
hast/crit stacking feels like the aweetspot between aoe and Single target
torpid jackal
outlol
ripe comet
i Think the real Kicker is the 30% more poison application
whixh means basically every fan
daring imp
if no DD on the m+ setup i can't see it being that good tho
torpid jackal
and targets potentially dying before dot ticks all the way
daring imp
yea that makes more sense ^
desert pelican
So on 4+ u use ct over envenom? If all targets ruptured
daring imp
tho we don't usually spam ct when mobs are dying, more often on opener after 3 garrotes @_@"
desert pelican
Rogue in first 18 key use ct on pull, and than next ct out of pandemic. Is it because of pullsize?
desert pelican
All the way 2nd ct in 7-8 secs ct previous
daring imp
well it's about the range for pandemic
so it's no big deal, just normal pandemic'ing bleeds :X
desert pelican
Isnt ct pandemic 4s?)
daring imp
yea, 3.6s
spice surge
CT also does upfront damage
spice surge
Debatable wether or not you should spam CT or keep both CT and envenom up on large packs
Different people say different things, havent seen any conclusive sims
desert pelican
How many ruptures u apply betwen ct on trash?
daring imp
i've had packs where i did like 20~25% dmg entirely of ct
spice surge
4 or so ruptures keeps your energy up
keen spruce
up to 5 ruptures
desert pelican
4 ruptures +3 garrotes? Or only 4-5 bleeds?
desert pelican
Playing my last 10-11 with pb, trying to used ct ;)
desert pelican
Got it
daring imp
having ~5 bleeds spread between targets assure you'll have enough energy to almost endlessly spam fok
lone junco
That's the plan.
When you have 5-6 t is when you can start thinking about early Ct over env. :NoobeBrain:
desert pelican
Always doing like that, +all cds on last garrotted mob and spread rupture through mouseover doing most damage on main target. But after seeing +18 key, this rogue esed ct so often, omg ;)
lone junco
And don't compare yourself to a +18 rogue. You will likely be disappointed.
daring imp
^
desert pelican
Need to try spam it more on big pulls
lone junco
Ggg Ct. Tab out your ruptures on elites. Refresh Ct. then FOK FOK ?
daring imp
you gotta see the amount of spammed ct on big pulls mostly
lone junco
If massive pack. Ct.
daring imp
'cuz on medium or small ones he should barely keep the debuff up
lone junco
Make sure you are hammering env if vendetta is out tho.
cold inlet
That rogue in the 18 key also probably has a very specific gear set that is 100% different than raiding
lone junco
Don't be silly and waste it on a Ct
desert pelican
Nope
Im setting my gear for myth+ like this
Just 5 ilvl lower
Big difference but not in my party now ;)
Just ~10 haste and crit mastery than
cold inlet
Thats exactly what I was going to say
karmic ingot
@daring imp Iâm glad Iâm not the only rogue who gets triggered when tanks chain pull and keep me from restealthing.
cold inlet
Thats way different than raiding where I have 22% haste
cold inlet
@karmic ingot They dont understand simple math really. waiting .5 second and I will kill the pack 5xs faster
karmic ingot
Yeah, itâs a big part of why I mostly run outlaw in M+.
daring imp
@karmic ingot @cold inlet we lost time on a 11 atal dazar because the motherfucker was pulling like a madman
it was like 10s 11s
that dungeon i had about 4 or 5 restealths
the entire
fucking
cold inlet
feels bad
daring imp
dungeon
cold inlet
I solved the great debate about sin vs outlaw and why restealthing was a necessary evil for Sin
daring imp
dunno how the healer was dropping combat for drink but i couldn't restealth
karmic ingot
Less so with WM.
cold inlet
I ran a dungeon as Sin without stealth then ran the same dungeon stealthing both around 9
Literally stealthing saved us an extra like 2 min
karmic ingot
The healer can stop doing stuff while youâre killing 1% hp mobs being dragged to the next pack.
gilded oak
On zul opener, do i apply rupture on Zul or do a CT?
daring imp
i was seeing the mobs almost dead
spice surge
Its almost as if tripling (or doubling, depending on how many SS traits you have) one of your main ability makes you do more damage
daring imp
happy i'd get restelath finally
then a wild GRIP FROM THE OTHER SIDE OF THE EARTH
and bam, combat again
elder garden
I feel good about ct for trash, wondering if it's ever worth to keep up on single target boss. Probably not.
daring imp
nah, ct & env do the same dmg with 5 cp but env buffs poison application
cold inlet
CT might be ok if you are running MfD
spice surge
Not on ST
summer kestrel
Heed my call vs Azerite Globules, I'm simming them within 0.1% of each other, what do you people prefer?
desert pelican
Lol, just send to tank every restealth heavy details of u damage, when he seems about 60% garrote maybe he didnt chainpull ;D
karmic ingot
Heed every time
daring imp
i pick heed my call 'cuz it's cooler
karmic ingot
Globules will hurt your feelings.
cold inlet
For M+ do you guys enchant mastery or crit
calm grail
Silly question, Those ads that will fear you on Zul, can you cloak and run into them to get rid of them?
Or will it still fear you?
daring imp
@desert pelican mate don't even suggest me that, i had two quel'thalas/ragnaros tanks that plainly ignored me and kept chainpulling almost the entire dungeon
the only places they couldn't chainpull were when we wiped
karmic ingot
Youâll have so much shit die or get pulled out of the pack with 2 stacks. In sims they are close. In real game globules is garbage tier.
desert pelican
Idk how to close 10+ keys with this type of tanks ;)
daring imp
i've never seen tanks so juicy to pick three infested mobs at once
which i'm not against
but let me restealth motherf*
karmic ingot
@calm grail cloak prevents the fear.
But it doesnât kill them.
You can use cloak to get in close for a good arcane torrent if youâre a blood elf though.
cold inlet
Im not logged in but I believe in the neighborhood of 28% crit 10 haste 32 mastery maybe some vers
latent wind
bad to run archive +5 + laser matrix +5?
karmic ingot
My Spanish isnât good enough to play with people from QuelâThalas or Ragnaros and they never seem to be good enough to play without communicating so I just avoid them entirely.
@latent wind depends on what other traits you have available.
You donât get the bonus from both if thatâs what youâre asking.
latent wind
right, I'm just saying according to BM it's showing to run +5 of both, but does that factor in not getting benefit from both?
queen tiger
Hi, got a quick question about SS. Got already 1 in chest, and could have 2 in a 340 shoulder, or have scent of blood in a 355 shoulder. I was wondering what would be best for m+, as the sims tend towards the 355 scent of blood. Any help?
hidden spoke
Hey. Does anyone want to take a look at two logs? They depict me and another rogue, very close in gear/traits/fight length. I have a good bit less energy wasted than he has, but he still manages to get off more abilities than I do. How is this possible?
tight hinge
Ive been liking scent of blood on fortified weeks but would stick to SS on tyrannical
karmic ingot
BM just shows them being independently strong due to Reorigination Array. You donât get to double dip on Reorigination Array. So pick the best o e of the two and then use other traits or look at the +0 weights for archive/laser for the second trait.
Or better yet...
daring imp
@hidden spoke haste? link logs just so we can see
lone junco
@queen tiger sims of SS need a re stealth. Try 6t 40s patchwerk. No raid buffs.
lone junco
Scent needs big pulls. And lots of tabbed ruptures.
tight hinge
thats what i like anyway, could stick with 3x SS either week and be fine as well
queen tiger
Ok, will check it out, thanks guys!
hidden spoke
And thanks, I didn't want to start spamming log links before I knew someone wanted to take a look!
daring imp
his muts did crit more @hidden spoke
hidden spoke
A good bit more now that you mention it.
desert pelican
@hidden spoke why 2 vendets on 5+ fight?
hidden spoke
I think I've tried to align with Vanish
wheat zealot
Shawn connery lul
main rain
Just got a 370 Galecaller's Boon, when shall I use the trinket on opening burst with TB?
hidden spoke
Alright, I'll try to keep in mind. And I just noticed that I should probably be better at pooling before TB
hidden spoke
Right? I really didn't want to use peoples' time here with this but I couldn't spot the major difference I ahd with others at similar ilvl
daring imp
@main rain i pop on cd when tank won't move shit
desert pelican
@daring imp "i need to move big guy 3meters right now" this type of tanks?;D
daring imp
your 1st vendetta was ~3min later, his too ....
hidden spoke
Taloc may be a silly fight to compare on
hidden spoke
I don't think I'm getting to Mythrax anytime soon ;)
spice surge
Potting is pretty big though
daring imp
lul
karmic ingot
I disagree. You have to understand the fight mechanics and timing as well as your rotation and CDs in order to optimize damage on Taloc. Itâs a good fight for overall comprehension. Unless your tanks suck at moving elevator adds out of blood.
spice surge
You missed second one
cyan frost
before exang you want to apply to full duration bleeds. so is it worth it to evenom when having 4 cp to make sure ur getting the full duration rupture?
hidden spoke
It probably comes down to a lot of smaller mistakes.
cyan frost
i mean multilate*
hidden spoke
That makes up an overall big problem
fiery bear
is it better to pool energy before using tb or just use it on cd right away even if u r on low energy?
spice surge
@hidden spoke Your trinkets are awful. Get a 340 trinket to replace that tendril. You seemed to not have your second row of azerite traits (only 1 out of 3)
daring imp
i popped it on cd
spice surge
Corpuscle is also bad, but slightly less awful that tendril
Throw that shit in the scrapper right away
karmic ingot
@cyan frost youâd probably have to run a sim with a modified APL to determine if using mutilate at 4 CP is worth it to maximize exsanguinate. The SimC APL doesnât do it currently. Itâs probably DPS neutral though.
@spice surge blizzard might make the raid trinkets suck less one day. Put em in the bank or use them to pad ilvl for M+ group finder like I do lol.
karmic ingot
I donât use them.
I have two garbage 370 trinkets in the bank for bag ilvl.
I probably should have worded that better though.
lone junco
Bag ilvl is irrelevant. But future balancing isn't.
karmic ingot
Itâs relevant to PUGs unfortunately.
lone junco
Ooo trinket +27%? Grats new bis. Aww I scrapped it.
quartz drift
I have a 365 ilvl and two 340 daggers. How should I hang myself irl? Noose or bed sheet?
quartz drift
I donât trust animes
civic palm
Do content.
prime void
The answer is still valid
civic palm
I guess this doesn't help.
lone junco
Coin mother for daggers.
prime void
noobe mean - "Coin mother as outlaw loot spec and go outlaw"
karmic ingot
Non anime can confirm. Do content. Get daggers.
prime void
^
prime void
yikes
quartz drift
Iâve cleared normal and heroic and coined zul and mother each clear since week one. It was a meme you neets can chill your boners
blissful herald
hi guys i play wow since cataclysm and have just play "easy" classes and for that my keybinds was enough
i use 1 2 3 4 5 and f1 f2 f3 f4
i rerolled this addon to a rogue and now i know my keybinds are a big piece of shit
im looking here for a (in best ways GERMAN) senpai that can guide me through the high art of keybinding so i can literally get anything of this char
karmic ingot
Daggers can drop in M+ too.
quartz drift
yeah Iâm hoping this week is the week for a cheeky m+
karmic ingot
Pro tip for key binds: use keys you can reach without minimal movement of your hand from your default position.
desert vault
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/cQ2BpRbJZ1CNzhmn#fight=21&type=damage-done&source=298
So been away for a while, just getting back into things. Just curious what big holes I've got in that log. I know I need to work on EB uptime and prolly slowing down on my envenoms casts to pool more for better EB is one thing I was thinking. Anyways, any feedback would be appreciated.
daring imp
@blissful herald i can give you a list of what i use
quartz drift
If you really wanna be an elitist you should unbind ASD for more binds
blissful herald
@daring imp that would be great so i can start at some point đ
karmic ingot
I use A and D for strafe because Iâve been using Q and E for binds since before I knew wow had strafe bindings.
quartz drift
Yeah thatâs basically what I do. Personal preference really
echo garnet
I wanna get a bit more pvp-centric with assassination. Any recommendations for guides or guys to watch to get more info?
quartz drift
Iâm an SZXC player tho
daring imp
alt 1~4 , ctrl 1~4, shift 1~4, RTFGV, shift RTFGV, ctrl RTFGV, alt RTFGV, \zx, shift \zx, ctrl \zx, alt \zx, ', shift ', ctrl ', alt '
jagged sorrel
Q has always been my stealth button, when did they add strafe?!
karmic ingot
S is not completely useless either. Full blown PvPers will unbind everything but strafe left/right.
daring imp
when i say ' i mean the button on the left of your 1
karmic ingot
`
hollow stone
Buy and adapt to a naga
compact bolt
I just use a mouse with a bunch of buttons and toss a few alt+shift+control in
hollow stone
Cant be good without a numpad on your thumb
fading spade
Rockin a 12 button naga. Love that thing
prime void
I'd use a naga if the sensor wasnt shit for fps
daring imp
i got a g502 and i luf it
hollow stone
I love mine too. Lets me have arena 1-3 binds for blind kick n ks
fading spade
Good thing the only fps I play is overwatch lol
hollow stone
Naga also super useful in league
blissful herald
thanks for the help i hope i will play my rogue good at some day ^
prime void
I have arena 1-3 focus 1-3 blind 1-3 kick - 1-3 w/o a naga lol
hollow stone
But now we off topicing
How long are your fingers? Damn @prime void
Probably a world class pianist up in this joint
prime void
I have baby hands
hollow stone
Just have q e for move then? Idk how you have that many free binds without naga cheese
daring imp
the hard time you'll have is adapting to TOO MANY keybinds at once
start slow
if you used only 10 back in the day
try to use 20
when you get comfy, 40
hollow stone
I mean, you could just play dh
daring imp
that too lul
blissful herald
yeah but dh is a way too overrated
lone junco
@blissful herald could just be a zenpai clicker.
Dh is fun. Fel nova. Beam fel barrage.
hollow stone
Fel barrage: its like bladestorm but better!
spice surge
Wish blizzard would just make momentum the best
spice surge
Well not really. they're pretty even, which makes the one with massively extra effort not worth
lone junco
Let me dash around like an idiot.
hollow stone
I like it. Nem and db are borrrrriinngg
lone junco
I play sin. I like boring.
prime void
so I use 1-5 Shift 1-5 q-e-r-t Shift - q e r t
asdf - shift a sdf zxc shift zxc and alt asdf
lone junco
I don't however like taking boss swipes. Or extra charges or debuff.s. Due to zippy movement.
1- =. Shift and ctrl mod. So many buttons.
hollow stone
Yea. Its the asd binds you sub in vs me w naga
I cant unbind s cause i tank on alts
And tanking without s key makes me sad
civic palm
desert vault
Is it common to do Vanish > gar > gar > Vend > TB > and then envenom spam stuff?
lone junco
@prime void hi.
desert vault
outside of opener with one SS, etc, etc
hollow stone
I fucking use shift f for stealth because its been that way for like 12 years and im wasting a good bind on it but cant stop đŠ
lone junco
Middle mouse stealth. Shift mod vanish.
hollow stone
On your 2nd ven van, go in w 2cp so you can g env/r g
Other than that, you nailed it
glad fulcrum
Alt Q for stealth isnât bad
desert vault
just typically you vanish before vend was my big question I guess
and yea the way I typed it was wrong cause you'd be capping CP
lone junco
I ran out of flasks and prolonged power a few days ago. Fucking anchor weed. Really.
hollow stone
If youre running tb, yea, but its diff w exsang slightly
hollow stone
Then yes. And the reason is that your vend will last shorter than your emp ss garr w pandemic
So as long as you get you 20sec of emp ss garr in that vend, youre good
civic palm
Shit is so pricey that I only pot for Heroism O _O
desert vault
I had been doing it backwards I guess using Vend and then Vanish shortly after
lone junco
If I play non SS. It will have to be a gear copy. I can't be swapping traits around.
desert vault
So many of these logs I'm looking out have weird openers with vanish not being cast right away, waiting like 20-30s
hollow stone
Opener is diff than mid fight van vend
desert vault
Oh ok, I was looking at logs with SS and Sub and yeah Vanish is coming in at like 25s for mythic Taloc as the example I was just looking at for a starting point
hollow stone
That makes perfect sense w ss and tb
hollow stone
Something like that
desert vault
Oh ok, just want to get as many envenom casts out as you can before using Vanish with TB+SS?
hollow stone
Im outlaw now tho so maybe im just fooling you đ
lone junco
The wonky one was 1ss 1sb.
desert vault
I was just going with the guide opener that had two envenom casts then Vanish
lone junco
Guide has with or without SS. With ma. Or subterfuge.
desert vault
I'm using with SS, I have SS - Laser - some trash PW maybe
run Sub and TB, so was looking at logs that match all that
hollow stone
So w ss: g r g m vend or tb (not sure which is first in apl) then the other one m env m m env. When your garr falls off, plan to have 2cp into van g r/env g
Thats for opener
desert vault
ok
drowsy summit
what are the go to traits now? im running lazer and 2 SS but doesnt seem to be that great outside of mythic plus
strange python
I feel like my dps for this ilvl is pretty shit https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9W1WtGXhaSaygvBr5rytzH
hollow stone
Its weird that tb is simming higher for you when using ss tho. Id check out xsang just to be sure you wanna use tb
calm grail
I ran to that situation too
hollow stone
Youre not allowed to ask for help michee, you actually know what youre doing đ
fiery bear
just got benhed for fetid bcoz other rogue has better traits đŠ
hollow stone
Mythic..?
fiery bear
yeah
hollow stone
Prog?
fiery bear
yup
fiery bear
i hate blizz for making such stuff which impact raid spots
civic palm
...
lone junco
368/ 15.5 Seems ok
strange python
I mean legendaries were pretty much the same
hollow stone
I can send you my prayer, i got 385 turban from my chest this week đ
fiery bear
i have only got 1 azerite piece from chest yet and that too with poisoned wire
oh no.. it's ruinous bolt
the shitiest trait possible
strange python
My todays parse for mother was so shit 
I dont how people are pulling 23k on mythic
hollow stone
Tell me about it...
strange python
I was thinking that my 14,3k was gonna be like 80th percentile or something
Its actually like 23
hollow stone
I literally sit boss on mother. And was 88th percentile
fiery bear
i think relics were better than this azerite system
hollow stone
Idk how the orange parses are doing that fight but theres clearly something we're missing
strange python
Yeah but my guild has such a weird strat
strange python
They make 3 out of 4 groups go after first wind with spirit link, then dps for 1 minute in 2nd, and move to 3rd with spirit link again
hollow stone
Thats basically what we do too
hallow kraken
Best azerite traits (combo) for m+?
strange python
Im in the 1st group
so all I get is the vendetta window
And then i have to watch as others surpass me in the dps chart
đŠ
hollow stone
Oh. Well thats part of it
I think i pulled 18-19k on her sitting boss and spiking around 65k during burn phase
strange python
With exsang?
hollow stone
W tb
desert whale
Is there a more intriquite guide then the pinned one anywhere?
strange python
Im new to TB, just started playing it today
hollow stone
Cause im sitting boss all fight, i figured itd be better for my group
desert whale
Like a streamer that outlines more fine details or something with more detailed information
hollow stone
Not really @desert whale
But youve come to the right place
Ask specific questions and youll get specific answers
desert whale
When I ask specific questions, I get referred back to the guide mostly
strange python
ask now
desert whale
When are you pooling energy specifically.
tropic heron
how much of a dps gain is thistle tea?
strange python
12
hollow stone
Almost never pooling. The only time i pool in raid is on zek if running ct n playing sin
desert whale
You don't pool before your TBS?
strange python
I always do
hollow stone
You can pool if you have everything up; garr, rupt (over 10 sec) and tb is coming up
strange python
But I never manage to get the 3rd envenom in anyways
hollow stone
Its just in actual practice its tough to take advantage of that very specific situation
desert whale
Yeah I never get the 3rd envenom unless its during lust and I have belf racial usually.
strange python
5.4 garrote
hollow stone
Assuming it doesnt fuck you up. You still want it to be close to the end so it can save a gcd or two by end of the fight. Minmax me bebe
lone junco
And expect a 7s pandemic.
desert whale
Also, how many mobs do you want before using CT finisher if its talented.
desert vault
Oh, ok. Weird that this WA I'm using has Rup notification 8.4s and Gar 6s
strange python
I think 3 mobs are okay for CT
hollow stone
Rule of thumb for ct and fok is 3
But if its 3 mobs and 2 are non elite w 80k hp, might not be worth
For example
desert whale
Is there also a rule of thumb for rupturing mobs that will only live for "x" seconds.
With a low combo point rupture?
arctic lake
rupture if they survive for the duration, rupture damage doesn't scale with CP
lone junco
@desert whale in m+ early tabbing, i just aim for 2+cp ruptures. so fokfok max.
turns into 2 - 5
desert whale
Is it always better to hold envenom when not energy capped while waiting for that envenom debuff to fall off
Or do you want to reapply with 1s?
wheat zealot
Always clip it if possible
lone junco
if you can hit your env in the prior EP, that is nice.
hollow stone
Ideally, like said above, you want to use env with 0.000001 (you get the point) remaining on ep
It's not like how env buff was years ago
tropic heron
should i use envenom more often if i have double dose trait?
hollow stone
Ive said this many times and i know a lot of you know already but for those that dont, this helped me a lot when i was first starting rogue: if youre not over capping energy or cps, youre not losing damage
Same rotation @tropic heron
tropic heron
oh ok
hollow stone
I also advise against using dd in m+. The dmg it does is abysmal
1x dd in raid tho was like 6-7% of my dmg
So its pretty sweet there
lone junco
mutilate on env uptime in fok condition oy
arctic lake
3x SS master race for m+
lone junco
i made so many versions of that image.
looks like garrote is going to last the longest
arctic lake
Lowkey miss the Fokening
lone junco
hollow stone
Just fok it
safe matrix
@tropic heron since no one answered seriously, thistle tea has a shared cd with potions so it's a pretty big dps loss
hollow stone
Wtf is that noobe? He opened w dagger throw..?
lone junco
was a meme in legion
hazy sphinx
That's how you do it.
lone junco
it applied NS to the deadly poison.
hollow stone
Ah ok lol
lone junco
full duration of the fight. buffed dp ticks
hollow stone
Ohhhhh i heard about that. Wasnt playing then đŠ
hollow stone
Sure
hazy sphinx
ur haste is too low
lone junco
k
hazy sphinx
Solved
lone junco
hollow stone
Just because youre probably right doesnt mean youre right, ok @hazy sphinx
lucid bolt
im now in line đ
hazy sphinx
haha
lucid bolt
whats your picture from zid? what hentai is that?
hazy sphinx
Hunter x hunter
hazy sphinx
Yes.
hollow stone
The hentai is called hunter xxx hunter
primal gazelle
so i should just use TB on cd without much pooling?
lucid bolt
cool i need to finish that anime one day..
hollow stone
Its got a great story
lucid bolt
heres my raidbot sim https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sPchbJsLEdxv6NrpdHigb4
hazy sphinx
Seems adequate for your ilvl.
lucid bolt
for real?
primal gazelle
get a galecaller
viscid rover
sots
lucid bolt
man i hate mythics so damn much đŠ
urban storm
Shrine
lone junco
Im 360 14.4k ishj
lucid bolt
so even if i do it on heroic is it worth it?
primal gazelle
probably not
lucid bolt
dagnabbit
primal gazelle
thats like a 330 trinket lol fuck that
hollow stone
Tbh, if you hate m+ in bfa, youre never gonna have a 2nd good trinket (assuming you buy fathoms)
main bobcat
+10 sots this week is a breeze 
lucid bolt
im using a fathom right now
onyx falcon
@lone junco we FoKing in ST again? đ
lucid bolt
its not that i hate mythic + its just that i never have the time to run them đŠ
lucid bolt
where at?
lone junco
@onyx falcon HB Big MA Fok
onyx falcon
naw naw naw... we just FoK in ST and do 6M+ đ
lucid bolt
@hollow stone where do i see the announcement ?
fading thicket
Short Question about Vanish, guide says to use it with vendetta but it never lines up after the opener, do i hold 2nd vendetta for 2nd vanish? đ€ ,
hollow stone
Tho
lucid bolt
thanks lol i was like wtf is fok
safe matrix
Actual rotational updates are in #tc-updates
lone junco
@lucid bolt your wep ench are wrong. trinket 1 sucks. off pieces should all have haste. if not haste, then big crit. Get 5 more sockets.
lucid bolt
wait whats wrong with my weapon enchantment ?
lone junco
2x gale?
hollow stone
Ignore me, @lucid bolt The link is rogue news, nothing to see there
civic palm
get more sockets
lone junco
most use 1 deadly 1 quick
lucid bolt
oh okay apple
lone junco
@civic palm you like that. đ
lucid bolt
shieeet so i need to change both of my enchantments?
hazy sphinx
Yes Ethan
main bobcat
lone junco
sim the combos, and see if it is worth the gain
lucid bolt
im at work now but ill check it out later thx guys
lucid bolt
they dont say what enchants to get on ravenholdt
lucid bolt
quick and deadly navi ?
okay hold on let me check the pins
okay now let me sim it
lol jk
where @civic palm
civic palm
If you checked the pins you would know.
lucid bolt
i dont even understand that
For your weapon enchants you should use the two secondary stats that your scale factors says is highest rather than two of the same one.
unkempt wing
lucid bolt
i have 84 iq i need a translater
civic palm
I am assume his sticking point is "scale factor".
lucid bolt
what is quick enchant called? and deadly enchant called ?
lone junco
gear compare tool on raidbots. Just pick a few combos of your actual weps.
lucid bolt
okay ill sarch quick enchant
limber nexus
quick navigation deadly navigation
spice surge
Or whatever sims highest for you
lucid bolt
ive never figured out how to change enchants on raidbots
hollow stone
Do you want us to play your rogue too?
spice surge
Edit the enchant box?
hollow stone
Sorry, that was uncalled for
lucid bolt
dude if u did it for free i would
hollow stone
Lol
civic palm
I will add it as a Patreon Tier.
lucid bolt
its all good man im so bad at this game
hollow stone
Joining the disc and signing up is better than at least 50% of players. Youre doing fine
main bobcat
hollow stone
Auyy gratz on next bencark
limber nexus
why can't garrote give you 7 combo points if you have 3 SS traits đŠ
void pecan
Grats on the đ
hollow stone
Bencark means benchmark. Btw
hazy sphinx
damn it ethan
void pecan
top gear
primal gazelle
@main bobcat why gem for crit over haste?
lucid bolt
ah okay thank yoiu ganan ill check there
void pecan
it's at the bottom
main bobcat
up untill rn ive weighted crit over haste for unknown reasons
icy blade
Sup Rogue peeps! glad i found this discord and hope to learn a ton from you all đ
lucid bolt
oh i dont have simulation craft here at work nor wow so i cant use it
main bobcat
i dont complain, fucking cheap gems
lucid bolt
welcome Jay, feel free to ask me any questions I'm a top rogue on here
lucid bolt
im the champion of azeroth
lone junco
lol. so people are playing lazer, and pulling gobs of extra trash, for this shitty ass cleave damage?
1.3%
icy blade
I see the sarcasm seeping out of my monitor lol
silent breach
does anyone have a hidden blades WA i cant find it anywere
lucid bolt
holy crap 33 guilds already 8 of 8 mythic
just feels like yesterday method got it
my group is in heroic zul
civic palm
Change Talent, never go back.
lucid bolt
are my azerite traits ok?
god i really hate this azerite system they could have made it cooler
civic palm
Yeah like a stack of passives.
lucid bolt
i was expecting we would get 3 legendary armor pieces
and we could like pick different shit like a skill tree
so u could be like a poison rogue
upper island
lucid bolt
or a stabby rogue
civic palm
?
lucid bolt
heed his call!
im pretty bummed i didnt win the raffle for those nike x off white shoes this morning đŠ
civic palm
ok
main bobcat
Heed my Call so strong 
lucid bolt
lol
delicate gull
triple SS 340's over 370's with no SS in m+?
lone junco
18k on vendetta
shell sandal
Seriously. i have absolutely no idea what i am doing wrong. can anyone help? and yes i have simmed
shell sandal
ok
spice surge
I mean, using CT on everyboss in uldir
Without casting it
Oh you casted it on some bosses
little sparrow
I'm on my phone so I'm just skimming 
shell sandal
here's armory
little sparrow
Elevator phase
spice surge
You're not using your vanishes, and not lining them up with vendetta (nor timewarp)
lime thorn
I did elevator phase for the first time yesterday and had 75% avg across all skills.
spice surge
On a lot of fights
lucid bolt
my dps always sucks on taloc i dont know why
little sparrow
Your chest trait is bad
lucid bolt
who meme? me?
little sparrow
No Scail
lucid bolt
oh dang
little sparrow
Poisoned Wire
spice surge
But your ilvl is low, so youre def not gonna get top parses
little sparrow
Sort by ilevel
Still shows a ton of mistakes
CD usage is pretty bas as @spice surge has mentioned
little sparrow
Look at other people's cast sequence @shell sandal
shell sandal
okay
round harbor
navigation
void pecan
Iron Wire sims highest for me because 370 vs 340.. QQ
crisp hollow
your weapon enchant
little sparrow
Also you're alliance 
lucid bolt
okay thanks and there is also quick navigation ?
round harbor
yeah quick is the general best offhand
little sparrow
Don't look at dps, hes like 350 ilevel
lucid bolt
fuck i ddnt even know left or right hand made a difference
spice surge
It doesnt matter what hand its on
round harbor
since crit is good for outlaw/sub/ and sin
daring imp
yea mb i didn't see his ilvl
dark token
I just want to be a good sin rogue but raid leader won't let me play sin on zul please help
daring imp
lul
lucid bolt
how much does a quick navigation cost? i thught gale force striking was the way to go on enchants
daring imp
on my server 1.5k
lean coral
depends on server
daring imp
brs man, brs ... too many brs undercutting each other ...
spice surge
Playing sin on zul (M) is like unequiping your azerite pieces to troll your raid đ
dark token
I'm gonna play sub next week without reforging pieces
lucid bolt
hey ongbak gale force striking is not the enchant to go for?
dark token
My cost too high
round harbor
if u play sin on zul ur throwing
spice surge
Yeye you dont need to reforge, you'll do like double your sin damage anyway
lean coral
how the hell is your cost high lol
little sparrow
Deadly + Quick unless your stat weights state otherwise
daring imp
nah @lucid bolt , ideally you want haste/crit or mastery depending on your second highest secondary stat ( i run haste/crit ) for raiding
ocean oyster
Is there a way to sim m+ aoe damage?
royal lantern
you should play sub for mythic zul, that figh is 100%made for sub
daring imp
use raidbots to sim stat weights
round harbor
aqua generally just stack crit/mastery for aoe
ocean oyster
Yeah im doing that but i have a lot more crit than mastery right now
round harbor
i like haste/mastery rings
ocean oyster
so im not sure if i should go more in mastery
daring imp
m+ aoe dmg
3~6 bosses, 40s~1min
no buffs, maybe only flask/food
and prepot if you're rich
ocean oyster
Does it take into account ss?
daring imp
like friggin' loaded
lucid bolt
ive never prepotted not even once!
lucid bolt
im doing the stat weights sim now ongbak
daring imp
before the small hotfix
daring imp
@ocean oyster yea i'm fairly sure it does i'm just not sure if it does the 3x garrotes on pull
tho it's trustworthy
lucid bolt
i wonder if anyone eats food/flasks/prepots on LFR
just so they can wave their big D around
lucid bolt
u know what i used to think simming meant before i came here? i used to think u would set a timer manually and hit something doing your rotation for 1 minute writing the number down and then waiting for yoru cooldowns and doing it again with other equipment and that was why i was like wow f that
my top stats are agility critical strike and haste in that order so does that mean my enchants should be crit and haste?
lucid bolt
whats the significance of thsee numbers ?
little sparrow
It was easy with just simc too lol
That's your parse
Your grade , basically; in comparison to other people in your class
calm grail
Means you doing pretty good
lucid bolt
so 100 is the best?
daring imp
@little sparrow well i only got into simming when raidbots was around so i wouldn't know @_@"
delicate gull
yeah
lucid bolt
fuck my score sucks
little sparrow
Anything under 80% is pretty bad
calm grail
No he's doing well.
daring imp
you're 354, it gets better with proper optimization
lucid bolt
wait what do u mean 354? my item level is 361
calm grail
viscid token
You're doing pretty poor, you should be able to get up to like 70 percentile if you kind of know what you're doing :)
lucid bolt
i think im doing bad
yeah thats what i was thinking bibo
im pretty sure im doing my rotation correctly
calm grail
Pretty much if you're doing heroic and it's not an orange you might as well quit the game.
Jkjk
lucid bolt
has a character ever been bugged before?
little sparrow
80% is the cut off imo, you can get that with little to no gear or bad optimization if your rotation and CDs are on point
viscid token
But you can look into how you did vs other people at your ilvl and see what they did differently , it's easy to improve at your #s
lucid bolt
u know what the problem isnt me guys or my equipment its blizzard
lucid bolt
where do i go to make that comparison bibo?
crisp hollow
grey generally should be reserved for people who died during the pull
calm grail
I can't get higher than a 90 on the last boss because I have to do orbs.
I just need to try harder
delicate gull
Speaking of parses, how do i parse orange on Mythrax, its my shittiest one
civic palm
Never get targeted by anything.
calm grail
Go to the big add across the room.
lean coral
dont have a melee stacked raid hope you dont get mc'd
civic palm
Blow up in the raid.
lean coral
or get the run out shit over and over again
daring imp
361? what
little sparrow
Just hit the adds 
delicate gull
i usually kill my big add, cuz we split, and then i go on the mind flay dude. Just go to the 2nd big one?
lean coral
bleed everythang
delicate gull
hmm
daring imp
o nvm i was looking at coshi's
lucid bolt
wtf even are all star points
delicate gull
just gotta pad more i guess
crisp hollow
could be worse, im assigned to be an early group for the M mother transition so i get like no uptime while also not getting to do significant damage to add spawns at all
lucid bolt
same scoville im usually group 2 to pass through
lean coral
but she has the best weapons