Fuck off Heed
#assassination
civic palm
Fuck if I know, haste values?
exotic glen
@boreal spoke need more SS traits
haste?
that would just increase tick speed right
civic palm
SUB/SS empowered
torpid jackal
overwhelming power proc?
exotic glen
right a stat proc
slender smelt
such confusing
exotic glen
seems still bugged
civic palm
The 1's are a low level dummy so disregard them.
exotic glen
drops about half its dmg
civic palm
Just looking at the normal damage.
boreal spoke
Used to be triple ss. But now left with 1 ss as I just got 385 Azerite shoulder.
exotic glen
oh right there it is
civic palm
Yeah 2k non-crit
exotic glen
still bugged
civic palm
Which is odd > _>
broken crypt
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
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https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
civic palm
Eh it's about right.
slender smelt
I'm just guessing one day they'll just say it was intended and fix the tooltip or sth
civic palm
Yeah who knows.
I don't think we would Garrote a fourth time anyway as the DMG is so awful.
civic palm
So if the bug does get fixed, nothing changes other than people not fucking themselves.
slender smelt
yeah just spam CT rupt
rotund barn
why does it seem like all the rogues are using fathoms now?
exotic glen
because its good?
rotund barn
But looking at the mythic logs
almost all of them are using it
which wasnt the case like a week ago
signal crag
its always been good?
cyan frost
why is my 340 GC with socket simming more than 370 dice wtf... hows that real
exotic glen
sockets are too good, and GC is absolutely insane for exsang thats why
civic palm
or are they cheapos?
exotic glen
im assuming the chance of getting
exotic glen
wrekt, its still insane
civic palm
Sure is.
sick monolith
brothers
sick monolith
You are not my friend you are my brother, brother.
Question about simming. Is the 5 minutes/1boss best for ST or should i lower that timer.
civic palm
Yes.
foggy socket
i am sim higher with MA on. this confuse me small brian
lone junco
hello small brian.
lone junco
finally just tested g g g vs g g r. for raw difference
civic palm
aaaaaaaaaaaaand
foggy socket
hmm what is different on opener for MA?
civic palm
dat 1 second
lone junco
ill do a ggg ct for lols.
civic palm
_>
civic palm
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civic palm
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lone junco
not sure if that is a good thing
i was an early precher of the gggct.
cause charts were wrong
exotic glen
sounds cool, would like to see some math and data on the subject
m+ profile, pls be done soon
feral spear
do you need double daggers for sin or just main hand
lone junco
double
feral spear
waddabout sub
lone junco
the offhand matters for sub as well.
feral spear
lol
lone junco
with ss you can use 2.6 in the mainhand. in aoe
safe matrix
This is all stuff in the pins of each spec channel
lone junco
g g g ct fok fok rupture is all non dagger.
feral spear
well I just am farming daggers and I'm having trouble even getting one
lone junco
but the moment you want to mutilate you better have 2x
feral spear
I'm tired of rtb
lone junco
play snake
feral spear
way less variation tho
exotic glen
and zul
feral spear
well I have one more chance to get mother's daggers this week on heroic
then it's back to farming tol dagor
strange python
Is this not the spec for pvp? I feel so much weaker than outlaw..
desert pelican
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-n0B2mRq2o some questions about first +18 myth rogue. what u guys think, why he s used ct out of pandemic (most of the time on pack this is the triple garrote as usual, than ct, and next ct after 2 foks, when ct is still around 7-8 secs ). and 2nd - why on 2 and even 3 targets his sometimes using muti over fok? isnt it becaus targets nearly died, and muti > fok if target doesnt live through deadly , or something else?
hot snow
anyone willing to have a squiz over my logs and then bash me over the head with all the things I'm doing shit
lone junco
so thats neat
@desert pelican we were talking about the mut on 2t last night there are some fok rules in TC
there is a break point of full mut on 3 and fok on 4, but it has to do with spreading poisons.
desert pelican
@lone junco so no more fok on 2 targets always as im heared maybe 2 nights ago? can u explain some more? after u spread poisons fok>mut only on 4?
safe matrix
#tc-updates have better context
lone junco
yeah.
desert pelican
oh sorry, chek it alrdy
civic palm
When was the last time we Fokked on 2T? > _>
civic palm
No I mean, was 2T ever FoK spam? Because I wasn't > _>
exotic glen
was back in legion
civic palm
Guide says so as well.
lone junco
like a dummy
mint oar
is fathoms good for m+?
civic palm
Well I never did > _>"
lone junco
legion had too much crit for it
civic palm
In Legion we had mongo crit yeah.
civic palm
So from Day 1 BFA and like, 20% crit I was never going to FOK on 2 > _>
lone junco
so the sim was capping E with fok on 2. was pegged with vigor and tab ruptures
desert pelican
someone one channel suggest me fok on 2 always 2 nights ago 😉
safe matrix
the apl was officially changed like yesterday
and it was fok on 3+
so they were wrong
🤷
civic palm
FoK on 2T has been in the guide forever.
So it's not a surprise that someone said to do so.
lone junco
yeah. it was >=2 yesterday. now there is tab mut and fok on 3
Fan of Knives to apply Deadly Poison if inactive on any target at 3 targets
actions.direct+=/fan_of_knives,target_if=!dot.deadly_poison_dot.ticking,if=variable.use_filler&spell_targets.fan_of_knives>=3
actions.direct+=/blindside,if=variable.use_filler&(buff.blindside.up|!talent.venom_rush.enabled)
Tab-Mutilate to apply Deadly Poison at 2 targets
actions.direct+=/mutilate,target_if=!dot.deadly_poison_dot.ticking,if=variable.use_filler&spell_targets.fan_of_knives=2
actions.direct+=/mutilate,if=variable.use_filler
civic palm
FoK on 3 if DP low/off ye?
paper bough
civic palm
3 G on 3 targets
civic palm
👌
desert pelican
and what about ct not in pandemic?
why in +18 guy didnt apply rupture instead of 2 ct
one after another
echo void
Hey all,
Currently have slotted a 355 Usurper's Bloodcaked Spaulders with Archive of the Titans, got a 370 Gold-Tasseled Epaulets with Shrouded Suffocation.. Which do you guys think I should use?
desert pelican
@echo void i think ss for m+ and archive for raids. maybe ss > archive even on raids if u dont have any pieces with ss. anyway try to sim, nope?)
echo void
Ive already got 1 piece of gear with ss equipped, il Sim rn
thorn pasture
cant find info about crimson tempest on ravenholdt guide, am i supposed to use it on 2 targets/single target if talented?
safe matrix
3+
thorn pasture
ah okay thanks
daring imp
Should i aim for reorigination ray to always give me haste while in uldir?
fading spade
So here's a question. Has anyone found higher haste to be bad. Weird as this sounds I feel energy regeneration is slower than it was
Now that I have RA active in raids my haste sits at 24% base of 18ish
viral locust
boy golly i cant wait for mastery build
viral locust
EP is such a stupid talent.
fading spade
But sims keep telling me haste is highest secondary and I'm now crit starved
Which isnt helping. 19.6% at night
Good ol night elf racial lmao
steep obsidian
i mean you can go by what the sims say to max yourself
or you can feelycraft for what you think is more fun if you want /shrug
but peopel will tell you to follow the sim
to max dps
slate jacinth
It looks like the DD trait is the way to go for ST while SS is quite good in M+ due to multi G’s. but how is SS so bad on pure ST suddenly?
steep obsidian
remember that haste loses a lot in multi target tho
viral locust
DD is also kind of wonky sometiems.
sharp schooner
SS is only so far down on herodamage because the default build is MA now
slate jacinth
MA?
fading spade
For raiding other than zul there isnt really multi target.
fading spade
I use MA. Since dropping SS
viral locust
whhhaaa
slate jacinth
What’s MA? I’d like to play with exsang, but I’m never sure when to use it outside opener
lost sentinel
master assassin
fading spade
Master assassin over subterfuge
fading spade
Without SS subterfuge loses all value
slate jacinth
Really? If I still have SS traits I should still stick to subt I suppose
fading spade
I never got the hang of exang. I used it back when ss was good. Kept losing to the other rogue in my raid so swapped to TB. Seems smoother all around
civic palm
sharp schooner
exactly
fading spade
Is exang a use with full bleeds or use on cd type thing
civic palm
lost sentinel
I'm doing a sim taking out SS and most talent combinations, kinda curious to see the result
fading spade
I wish I had 3x DD. I lost my DD cuz j finally got a 370 helm with archive
pastel wasp
MP is making a comeback too
lost sentinel
with no SS, MA beat subterfuge by 6dps
pastel wasp
mastery stack here we go
viral locust
MP build is best build, mastery stack is best.
civic palm
¯_(ツ)_/¯
viral locust
Praise Poison Vial.
steep obsidian
wut
fading spade
I'd love to see the mastery build come back
civic palm
Dunno why you would want that.
fading spade
Now that mastery affects bleeds and poisons it would be neat
slate jacinth
How do you aim between Azeroth pieces on raidbot? Do you just select the Azerite piece or also the traits you want to check inside the piece?
civic palm
More neater than Haste? or Crit? Dunno.
strange python
im still trying to get exsang to sim within 500 of tb 😦
proven ice
@slate jacinth use the /simc addon and use the top gear section
slate jacinth
Damn auto correct
Yeah but then when selecting gear to compare, do I just have to select the base azerite piece or also the azerite traits inside the gear?
slow hemlock
Hey guy´s can somebody tell me a good tactic for Zul HC?
viral locust
Dot everything, FoK, pray for Vials.
red plaza
Pretty much ^^ and also pray you don't get reverberation
civic palm
Tunnel Boss or go SUB.
viral locust
also that^
Mastery stack, play Sub, Shuriken Storm, BIGGGUS DICKUUSS EVISERATEEEUSS
red plaza
Things tend to die too fast in Heroic to make good use of sub.
steep obsidian
sub isn't very good on heroic if your group is idiotic and globals the small adds
^
slow hemlock
okay
steep obsidian
first week we specifcally left them up
but it doesnt matter now so people just burst em like derps
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
tribal sand
grrr
red plaza
Over under on how long this lasts? 
civic palm
Forever.
tribal sand
till end of xpac
civic palm
Stop pressing the fourth Garrote you will never want to do it anyway.
tribal sand
they prob have 0 clue how to fix it
civic palm
inb4 they fix it by hardcoding Garrote to trigger CD after using it in Stealth at the end of Stealth.
proven ice
@slate jacinth you can click the exact azerite trait to compare and it will duplicate the gear piece with that trait selected
slow hemlock
is it worth to go 2x Archive of the Titans ? or is it better to go 1x Archive of the Titans 1x Laser Matrix ?
and 1x DD
civic palm
1 1 1 is better
slow hemlock
okay
civic palm
Stacks of Archive or LM are not good.
slow hemlock
okay tanks.
fading spade
2 stacks of archive sim better than any other 2 stack in raids
Even at 5x
2 stacks and one DD would be optimal as a baseline according to bloodmallet
civic palm
The second stack gets you almost nothing.
gentle hornet
after the initial opener, do i save vanish for when gales + exsang is up again?
or use it right away?
fading spade
Vanish is on 2m cd and gcb and exang are 1m
fading spade
Yeah.
Well 1m and 45s.
Definitely worth lining up exang with fully refreshed bleeds and gcb
civic palm
The second Archive is ~3% DPS which is pretty good, so there's nothing to feel bummed about in that regard, but there are better options.
civic palm
2nd is still only 3%
gentle hornet
so i wait to use vanish for when they come back right?
civic palm
civic palm
SIMC reports O _O"
civic palm
It's more important to look at the literal gains you can expect to see than chase a gearset that means nothing.
pastel wasp
😮
fiery jasper
gz
spark nymph
Is there a special way I should be using toxic blade outside of opener? Or just on CD (granted I'm not overlapping)
lime panther
on cd w enough energy for 2 env
lime panther
3 is optimal but pooling is meh
spark nymph
3 is lotta energy!
lime panther
hard to maintain bleeds/ pool for 3 imo so , 2
spark nymph
Sweet, thx!
stuck shuttle
G Mut R V Vanish TB Envenom spam
thats assuming you get to 4 - 5 cp on your opening g Mut
rugged jetty
ty
chrome umbra
Garrote mutilate rupture mutulate vendetta tb vanish envenom
Then pray your next mutilate Crits for another envenom or if sucks
I still play subterfuge for most fights tho cuz more consistent
lime panther
that sim O.o sheesh
subtle imp
would you guys run tb or ct in siege
chrome umbra
CT / exang for siege.
silk jolt
fast nacelle
glad vapor
thin ingot
i have a question
that needs to be answered
only be the best and the very best
should i pool energy and clip envenoms during EP buff window? or starve myself of energy trying to mantain a 100% uptime of the buff
thin ingot
yeah but during lust its a non issue cause of the haste lvls
inner pecan
Try to keep as high EP uptime as possible during Exsg or TB windows
thin ingot
i mean outside of vendetta and lust
inner pecan
Outside of that just worry about maintaining Envenom, not EP
inner pecan
what does DD have to do with it
thin ingot
cause of mutilates
scenic saddle
Guys cnat sim mysself at the momeent qick qquestion thats total shiit?
inner pecan
I mean sorry for being confused at you bringing DD into the equation I was genuinely confused
since it has nothing to do with anything
Also I answered your question in my first 2 lines so idk
thin ingot
yeah thanks
didnt think about the uptime of envenom
in my considerations
btw, for the alchemist out there, idk if its intended or something but in drustvar near world boss to the east theres a freaking bunch of anchor weed
just looted 5
US
cunning needle
world quest?
cunning needle
hopefully it'll still be there when i get home 😦
thin ingot
if you can Q into it
cunning needle
ewwww
cunning needle
not sure if thats worth it tbh
thin ingot
@inner pecan do you throw a poison knife if youre at 4 CP for an envenom?
scenic saddle
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/g1vqScqYwGRTPbRA586eFw
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iiAq98VQshHHCyj37Meqbm
Guys does ss sim properrly?
thin ingot
idk but your tmog needs some help
fast nacelle
lol
fast nacelle
ss sims fine
ebon garden
Fight me
analog mango
that trinket is great on this ilvl for assassination?
inner pecan
@thin ingot No, never use Poison Knife on ST unless you're out of range
inner pecan
You can spend at 4/5 CP with all your spenders
fast nacelle
@ebon garden k lets fight
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wgP471sCAfvq2eV7c6KSs2
watch my daggers
fast nacelle
well i still play with exsang
worldly pelican
Hi guys, does raidbots take into account vanish as an offensive CD?
strange python
do you feel like it plays better in raid trya?
worldly pelican
like on Vanish availability, i would vanish, garrote, rupture, garrote, vendetta, mutilate, rupture, exsang
fast nacelle
fetid mythrax ghuun
strange python
what is your choice for this affixes? PB or CT?
carmine merlin
CT
strange python
I want to play exsang but im getting tb to sim so much higher
thin ingot
but
strange python
trying to get more haste
fast nacelle
if tb sims higher go tb
i got 1 ss trait and it still sims 100 dps higher
which is fine for me.. once i got other traits i ll switch
strange python
im just so emo cus i dont want to use my shoulders that have sharpered but i cant get zul shoulders
something about throwing my dagger just feels so shit
inner pecan
I mean SS is better on the actual important bosses of the tier
Anything where you have a prio add aka Vectis/Fetid/Mythrax/G'huun
strange python
you just save vanish for prio adds?
fast nacelle
yes
on mythrax and ghuun
and fetid aswell..depending on how many assa rogues you have
you either pop cds on boss - 2nd big add - boss execute
or first big add and third big add
fast nacelle
not saving exsang for add is a waste
fast nacelle
you want to avoid add blast
modest zodiac
Guys what is the main thing to watch out for when progressing on mythrax HC? 😦
fast nacelle
boss dmg doesnt matter
inner pecan
yeah idk I was kinda yoloing it but it worked out
inner pecan
but I chimped on the kill and held vendetta for like 1m30
fast nacelle
it wouldnt work out
inner pecan
wasn't sure if I would get another during lust
but I definitely would have gotten 2 lol
fast nacelle
idk about cd popping
i used it on pull - first add in transition and second add in p2
then again first add p3 iirc
smth like that
modest zodiac
I got boon and plumage... the only problem is that their active shared cd
unkempt wing
am i only whos sims more with lastermatrix 355 then SS 340 since this week for m+ ? 5 Bosses, 40 Seks
spark nymph
shouldnt sim more with LM, since it dont activate in M+... might just be the gear?
spark nymph
unless im wrong.. I have been known to be wrong
spark nymph
ahh.. well nevermind then 😃
quartz fiber
what's the proper usage of exsanguinate? just use it on a freshly applied rupture and try to line up with vendetta?
spark nymph
rupture + garrote
modest zodiac
yeah but blizzard promise that for big ilvl gaps, the better item should be the higher ilvl one
and in this case we're speaking 25 ilvls
unkempt wing
got 395 ring with sockel from chest
inner pecan
well tbh with how close your gcb/plumage are I would probably play plumage most of the time
unless it's pure ST without movement
plumage will outperform on 2+ targets and anytime where you have to move obviously
modest zodiac
yeah probably
the go to trinket for m+ and cleave fights
so people simming 17k what's their ilvl?
inner pecan
380+
strange python
high weps
unkempt wing
380 wut :0oo
devout jolt
fuck this game
gentle hornet
What’s the recommended rotation for MA/TB? It’s simming higher for me than sub/tb.
No SS traits
hollow jungle
When are y’all popping berserking in your opener? Exh/ss trait
delicate gull
@gentle hornet I've been doing garrote -> muti -> rupture -> Vendetta -> muti -> tb -> (muti if not at 4/5 cp) Vanish -> envenom. That being said, its still up in the air and ppl are trying stuff out since the build is just now doing well
gentle hornet
After envenom just muti/envenom and then TB on CD?
While pooling to try to get 2 envenom sun it
*in it
delicate gull
yep, i usually hold my 5th ish TB i think for the vendetta realignment, u have to hold for like 10 seconds i think
gentle hornet
Kk. Thanks relaxv! I’ll@give it a try
I used to do SS/exsanguinate but got better DD pieces. And it started getting awkward with vanish on a seperate timer than vendetta
pure umbra
What’s the best between SS and Archive on a 355 chest considering that there is no other SS on my azerite pieces?
gentle hornet
Like using it on the second exsanguinate
delicate gull
yeeah i used MA+TB today for the first time and did pretty well, felt decent
rancid sedge
going off herodamage shrouded suffocation is best trait for m+, is it worth using triple? or just want 1 of it?
pure umbra
I mean, is that mandatory to keep 1 SS or not? Already sim myself 😌
delicate gull
swafferd you should use raidbots and sim literally both options. you can do talents and gear pieces now in top gear, its pretty sick
hollow jungle
@rancid sedge most run 3 in m+
rancid sedge
oh okay, ty
fleet pond
Is the Poisoned Wire trait a good one ?
strange python
that ppl with this ilvls and im still 363 ilvl equiped and 370ilvl in my bag xD
hollow jungle
Shows middle of the pack in sims
flint jetty
@devout jolt legit got same boots last week. I got azerite chest this week with ruinous bolt and fan of blades 😭
strange python
sad life when i have all 370ilvl azerite pieces and still using 340/355 for m+ 
devout jolt
Our other Rogue got this...
hollow jungle
Not bad
slender shard
Dude I can not get another wep to save my life
hollow jungle
I just have 2 mother daggers...sad days
slender shard
I got a 370 from mother week one and I have been holding onto a 345 one from ad since like base mythic
Never lucky
unkempt wing
im running around with 365 daggers while having cleared close to everything since week 1 exept mythic 😄
kindred flame
I am with 340 daggers still
unkempt wing
meanwhile a friend of mine got a 395 and a 380 weapon drop on his alt 😄
kindred flame
On 370 ilvl
unkempt wing
wow thats harsh
strange python
@kindred flame dw dude, im same like u with daggers
345 and finally got one 365 from 7897897 m+ runs
mild saddle
signal summit
kindred flame
11 TD runs 7 SotS 4 UND 7 AD 9 KR 3 FH runs all which drop daggers nothing
steep obsidian
grats on trinket
now you too can feel like stabbing tanks in the eyeball when they move the boss away randomly
just after you pop it
bold bison
Op, guys, one question. The azerite trait Sharpened blades for Shuriken toss is at 30 Stacks and after using it stays 30 in the tooltip. Is it bugged or you still deal 30 times more damage?
strange python
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
strange python
lament dove
aren't you mixing shuriken strom with shuriken toss?
steep obsidian
well shuriken toss
is a sub abliity
and hes in the sin channel
but yeah shuriken toss for sub
bold bison
meh, I just got the azerite gear
onyx wind
Ive got 2x 385 pants
bold bison
trying to figure it out
fiery bear
does master poisoner increases dmg for envenom and poison bomb?
steep obsidian
if the stacks arent going away you using the wrong ability
bold bison
I saw, I saw, but why blizzard!?
onyx wind
It says weapon poisons
bold bison
I want my fan of knives to you use it wellp..
lament dove
master poisoner is only increasing weapon poison dmg, read its tooltip
steep obsidian
there is a fok trait too
bold bison
so is it better than SS for ST?
lament dove
yes because of crippling poison I guess
bold bison
I mean shrouded suffocation is it better for single target than the poisoned kniva...
steep obsidian
sim it
steep obsidian
¯_(ツ)_/¯
steep obsidian
trust the sims or just do what you think you like better up to you
onyx wind
1x ss vs 1x sb
steep obsidian
both traits are good
onyx wind
sb is better
steep obsidian
ss better for dungeons
onyx wind
I am sure
onyx wind
Obviously the difference will alter if you play exsang vs TB
So if you end up taking SS, i would go for exsang
bold bison
Agreed, typically true
but the SB is 15 ilvls higher
385 and the SS is 370..
so It's a no brainer following your logic
onyx wind
Np man : )
bold bison
thought I read it wrong but it is for Shuriken toss in SUB
thanks to @steep obsidian for clarifying
velvet latch
Guys, when I'm glad (2.4k), can I just play 1 game a week, then spam cap on lower rated 2's to ensure chest?
mortal warren
afaik yes
delicate gull
Yeah thats what I do for 2s, and then spam low rated 3s for conquest cap. You have to win a game inside the bracket you want your chest to be rewarded as though.
brisk forge
But need to but boost first 😉
vocal harbor
do you guys think 2x scent of blood is bad when playing 3s with a boomkin?
it's hard to keep my rupture on 2 targets when he's cloning them all
silk jolt
It doesn't remove the SOB buff?
valid moss
double dose tho
strange python
why would u want ss
valid moss
keen spruce
@subtle tundra Double Dose is the best azerite trait besides raid slots 
you're living in the past friendo
high siren
lol, this guy just got an op azerite piece, but got the wrong emotion
visual token
“Diversity”
cedar anchor
implying that might be the case why hes not satisfied with DD
shut magnet
/s
subtle tundra
@keen spruce unfortunately i dont play without one SS just because the burst feels lackluster without it
if i dont enjoy playing im not playing
cedar anchor
ok or he can just play feelcraft instead of m+
spice surge
I also would prefer ss because I like exsang more
But its not like I have multiple 385 pieces lying around that I can swap
buoyant kraken
@subtle tundra play master assassin then, it has really good burst
strange python
you mean the quest from warfronts
soft shale
bis pvp stats
frank wyvern
ye @strange python
elder cypress
greetings, today i got again a 385 azerit item with fok trait simmed it for 3 targets and will try it in m+ what do u think? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/go8JtdKtCtY1GYwjidvVP2
frank wyvern
27,8 patchwerk 2min? 😮
glacial steppe
so 4 cloaks in a row from my weekyl chest
elder cypress
its multitarget
glacial steppe
isnt it supposed to have bad luck protection or something?
solid nova
It does yeah
glacial steppe
dont wanna say im upset but after 3 heroic/normal IDs and 4 weekly chests id like atleast one azerite item thats not 340
solid nova
Azerite armour has BLP as well from weekly cache
wintry compass
got SS chest, M+ upgrade at least
glacial steppe
damn, im going to get benched for fetid
strange python
magic
strange python
if you are playing exang build, do I need to have 1 ss item?
potent raft
has anyone done research on whether Blindside is worth it for Taloc Mythic? Since a big portion of the encounter is in the execute window?
slender smelt
Would it be worth having 1 SS for raids? 2 archive 1 SS?
potent raft
it's not bad, but it's worse than DD or Twist the Knife
plush tapir
is it best to maximise elaborate planning uptime over early refreshing envenom?
spice surge
Follow your sims
What traits you have arent overly important as they're just nerfing the ones that are
plush tapir
or let elaborate planning drop to keep pooling energy and getting as much out of the envenom buff
spice surge
Generally EP during burst and envonom during low times @plush tapir
slender smelt
my sims show SS to be about 110ps less than with tidal surge. but without SS the spec is boring as fuck for me 😦
plush tapir
meaning only during toxicblade/vendetta
obsidian mountain
potent raft
@slender smelt go gutripper and tidal surge and call it a day 😄
delicate root
So my 385 helm has DD and Ace on it... And I swap between sin and outlaw a lot... 
slender smelt
gaaaaaaaaad dammit xD
potent raft
@delicate root what's the generic trait?
delicate root
I didnt even look :P a pvp one with a lions face
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Liberators Might...
slender smelt
@potent raft I dont have gutripper on the headpiece i just got. tidal surge and heed my call.
safe relic
bad traits ?
spice surge
340 shoulders
Most pieces are 370ish without sockets. No galecaller for exsang
But its pretty much how it is for most people
Also you didnt include any re-orgination
round ledge
How would I include re-origination stacks in sim?
spice surge
Edit the options'
but you need an azerite piece with it on anyway
@quick void A tad bit in terms of traits but you should be looking at herodamage for traits anyway because it gives a better picture
(its also always updated really quickly)
quick void
I mainly use bloodmallet
wispy leaf
quick void
Pretty sure its the same
I cant see how 30% more poision dmg should change your rotation tbh
smoky wind
i'm using pretty much the same opener sin was using in legion
atomic grotto
subtle tundra
deadeye and harlan
cunning needle
i want to use the spyglass but i figure if the mob dies half way through the proc/swap
rugged urchin
The 10% damage done buff from Kirby shot. That only procs if the target is stunned right?
elder prairie
guile/harlans
rugged urchin
Kidney
brisk forge
Dont use fat in M+!👍🏻
cunning needle
why fathoms bad for m+?
brisk forge
St only
spice surge
Its not bad. Its just less good
cunning needle
ahhh
potent raft
@slender smelt my bad,i meant master assassin..same icon 😄
hollow grove
so what changes have been made
brisk forge
Run some runs in Shrine for the haste trinket 😊
cunning needle
for it to drop never 😦
brisk forge
Just sim it tbh which trinkets that are best for you in m+
brisk forge
6bosses on patchwork, 40sec no buffs 👍🏻
cunning needle
kk thanks for help mate
brisk forge
Np
regal snow
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iQGLPfRtz7N1SNn6FxU1Ev
Hey 16k fam ❤ nice to meet u
summer marten
for me 370ilvl harlans sims worse than 370 guile, but its ST
but guile is great for exsanguinate
cunning needle
well results are guile + spyglass/harlans/fathoms are all within 200 dps of each other
humble igloo
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tmcMLxtKSbXbadB6oPKtFm master assassin is FLYING
cunning needle
but i guess guile would also be a bit overstated since it's only usable once every 2 fights
rough halo
should I be in another loot spec? because assass seems to keep spawning crit/mastery?? :/
inner pecan
zero difference other than outlaw weapons lol
valid moss
for me MA is like 10dps ;s
summer marten
Maybe, game likes to troll you... i was in sub and i have 1400unbuffed haste
halcyon phoenix
is fathoms proc single target or aoe? Actually don't know
inner pecan
single target
summer marten
but as far as ive seen, can proc on aoe abilities, but still hits 1
halcyon phoenix
Then most Stat proc trinkets or Stat on use which sim about as good as fathoms should be better in m+ or?
shut crest
hm api for assa 3 targets doesnt seem to account for the garrote stealth bug
hollow grove
has anything changed rogue i haven't had chance to check patch notes
shut crest
it seems to garrote (t1) garrote (t2) rupture (t1) [even with 3 shrouded suffocation ilvl 385|370|340] then garrotte (t3) which would negate the first 2 garotte's dmg bonus
shrewd bane
Blightborne Infusion on 385 shoulders or 340 SS for mm+ ?
:(
stupid question
just checked the sim
lol
inner pecan
@shut crest I doubt the bug is actually in SimC
so that behavior is technically correct
hollow grove
shut crest
not accounting for the bug is reasonable, but why doesnt it garotte the third target right away even with 3 SS traits
shut crest
i cant see 1 wasted combo point making up for a full stealthed garrotte with 3 ss traits
you mean ST ?
inner pecan
yes
it's obviously correct to 3x garrote on 3 targets
don't worry too much about what the aoe sim does
summer marten
and looks bad too!
shut crest
i looked into it cause i wanted to know how to optimize your dmg during m+ in a 3-5 target scenario
cedar anchor
just do 3 garrotes and then it depends if you wanna go full aoe or more prio
inner pecan
^
cedar anchor
either ct right away or rupture the main target and pop cds
inner pecan
if it's 6 targets you can vanish and garrote the other 3
cedar anchor
and either way, you wanna keep ct up in aoe scenario
while spreading ruptures on targets that will live long enough
visual token
Weapons cannot titanforge.
cedar anchor
^ that too, but cavreful to not overwrite the sub garrotes
shut crest
and when do you stop applying ruptures, liek at what affected target count
plush pike
What uptimes are you seeing for heroic vectis for your garrote/rupture nvm cheers
cedar anchor
garrotes you never apply again until they fade off, the ones empowered by _SS and subter
shrewd bane
only warforged ?
visual token
Correct.
shrewd bane
Ok thanks :o)
strange python
what if i use 3 boosted garrotes then vanish and again use 3 garrotes on another targets? 🤔
shut crest
ya sry i ment ruptures ^^
pseudo oasis
!bis
strange python
it will bugged or not?
cedar anchor
yeah you can do that ofc
strange python
ok bcs i used it like that on big pulls
cedar anchor
yeah thats correct
inner pecan
you should usually get Exsg rolling on a prio target too
good for some early energy regen
and it helps if it's like 5 targets one of your garrotes will fall off early and you can vanish, regarrote and garrote the 2 you never touched
cedar anchor
^^
shut crest
cant you apply stealthed garotte as pandemic?
cedar anchor
you can, but better to spread
shut crest
why so
cedar anchor
especially now with bolster
inner pecan
pandemic is effectively equal to a spread if you get full 18s value
aka 5s or less on your garrote
but you have to make sure then that the target will live the full 23 seconds
or else it's not as worth as a spread
that's why it's generally safer to spread
shut crest
just got into assa so im kinda new but it seems 3 target gcd-cap and energy cap us pretty much
is it worth applying rupture to lets say all 6 targets or woudl it be more beneficial to envenom for the additional poison proc chance for fan of knifes
inner pecan
depends how long they live
definitely get CT rolling
I'd prob get around 3-4 ruptures out then atleast get my Envenom rolling
then maintain Envenom/CT while applying Ruptures on off-gcds
If they won't live long though you can just CT and Envenom snipe them for maximum burst
shut crest
kk
with exs i already feel like i only have max 1 additional finisher in between the 3 ruptures but i gues that gets better with more targets due to seal fate
chrome umbra
You should apply ruptures until you feel comfortable with energy and then just fok and CT spam.
Unless they’re gonna live for a long time, fok and ct will out damage the ruptures you place.
inner pecan
CT spam is rarely worth unless you're talking an absurd amount of targets
Like 8-12
Which is very rare
olive egret
asked before I'm sure, but what's the opener for Master Assassin + Toxic Blade?
chrome umbra
CT spam is the way to go in m+ lol.
remote fern
not really
chrome umbra
Garrote mutilate rupture mutilate vendetta Tb vanish envenom mutilate envenom
I probably got carried to 1.6k io if I’m wrong but pretty sure a lot of the higher m+ rogues only rupture like 4 targets in a 6-8 target cleave scenario
We don’t even reapply rupture unless it’s subterfuged/SS traited
Garrote I mean lel
inner pecan
pre sure that's exactly what I said above
inner pecan
well the thing is with 4 ruptures rolling if you wanna maintain those ur not really spamming CT
you get maybe 2-3 CTs before ur on refresh duty again
unless things are dead and you aren't refreshing
chrome umbra
Idk we all play with pretty massive amount of crit so it’s usually just fok rupture 4x and fok CT nonstop. If the pack lives longer than that the aoe dmg in there is awful
jaunty arrow
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
shut crest
from a straight instand dmg perspective you need to have 4+ targets to break even with an envenom if you use CT
and thats not even counted in the buff you get from envenom
i dont see ct spam being viable before 5 targets
obviously if CT dot is about to run out refreshing it always comes up ahead if the targets live for a few more seconds on 3+
kindred flame
Currently still bugged. Should be changed to how it works, they will never ...."fix" it
small fiber
should i take dagger in the back or twist the knife with a 385 helmet?
frigid kestrel
Should I be using CT over PB in M+?
storm skiff
usually yes
frigid kestrel
Cause...... if so I’ve been doing it wrong
storm skiff
yikes >.>
shut crest
i guess it depends on the dungeon
craggy notch
How much ilvl is SS worth in m+
shut crest
if you have only 1-4 target pulls PB might be better since it frees up
frigid kestrel
I thought 10 - 17k On mobs was good enough, you saying I should be getting more with CT? (Ilvl only 354 )
shut crest
@frigid kestrel that statement is so ... unrelatable ... how high are the keys, which affixes, how much do you pull, which party comp etc
frigid kestrel
4 - 7’s and the pulls are usually around 4+
wintry trench
Hi! i have been trying to sim but need to ask. should i use SS och Titans they are on the same pice soo can only have 1 of them 😦
frigid kestrel
Jesus all these questions lol, in general regardless of the comp and affixes that how much I pull with.
onyx wind
Your garrote in itself deals 13-17k dps
shut crest
it wasnt a question ... i was presenting to you that 10 - 17k dmg doesnt have any informational value towards your performance
frigid kestrel
@onyx wind Without SS?
frigid kestrel
I don’t have SS
onyx wind
What i said is wrong actually
The numbers are wrong
You should get SS
And you will do a lot more dmg
vestal abyss
3.71
frigid kestrel
Been trying to get that before it got the nerf.
shut crest
for reference a 340 ss piece still outperforms a 370 archives in dungeons for me
so you might wanna consider doing those m0's
frigid kestrel
Gotcha
cedar anchor
i use 340 SS instead of 385 SoB/swirls // 370 archive in m+
cuz its just so much better on trash
farming that fetid like madman
getting only cloaks/ trinks tho
dapper moat
Quick question about Ct talent. I usually open with 3xss garrottes, then i ct with 5 cp. And then i spam fok and do rupturs an after 12sec i cadt another CT. Is this right method? To wait full cycle of CT or should i just spam it when i het 5 cp?
slender spade
With 1 SS trait, am i still supposed to have the Garrote>Rapture>garrrote opener rather than getting the full 5 combo points by Garrote>Garrote>rapture? A bit confused on this.
slender spade
AIght thanks!
chrome cave
hey folks how do you open with master assassin?
shut zinc
yo guys, there is any guide which spec is better for specific dungeons?
strange python
garrotte mutliate rupture mutilate vendetta/vanish/trinket/ toxic blade envenom mutilate @chrome cave
double mutilate in the start tho if you dont have a ss trait or dont crit with mutilate
chrome cave
cool, thanks 😄
cedar anchor
every spec has its corks
spice surge
Assuming you have proper gear for it. Assa is just best in dungeons
The only thing assa isnt amazing at is dealing with infested spawns
kindred flame
You think that kidney is bad for it?
spice surge
Comparatively to sub and outlaw just killing them instantly
kindred flame
Haven't found any instnaces where infest was a problem 🤷
spice surge
isnt amazing at is not the same as bad
mossy hazel
CT for mythic Zek'voz? Any input on that?
shut zinc
thanks guys, and what stat's should i focus? watched fragnance m+ guide yesterday and he said haste is very good for assa, but i've read the ravenholdt guide and it says
Multi Target
Agility
Critical Strike
Mastery
Versatility
Haste
so.. what?
spice surge
It also says haste is best for ST
old escarp
Single target haste. Aoe crit/mast
storm siren
Sorry mine just sims so much lower than subterfuge so i thought i had to have some trait
vestal abyss
it sims equal for me
old escarp
It all depends on what your gear is. The reason everyone says "just sim it" is people have such a varied range of stats/traits there isn't a definitive answer
cedar anchor
really depends a lot on the traits
you wont be running MA with SS
and envenom trait with subter if you can choose
strange python
@mossy hazel if you need add damage then sure i guess. I prefer just smashing outlaw on that fight. But if you lack ST go PB and tunnel priroity adds and fuck the meters
Ignore the meters**
edgy wharf
Sylvanas Resolve or Blood Rite for assa?
noble timber
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > mastery > vers >= haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.
shrewd mirage
!bis
buoyant anchor
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > mastery > vers >= haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.
glossy violet
thinking about switching my dark iron dwarf to a void elf for a little more dps because of the racial passive. think this is worth?
lethal heart
if it sims higher sure rofl
but in grand scheme of things racials dont matter whatsoever
at this moment
inner pecan
personally velf sims lower than de dwarf for me
glossy violet
really?
shut zinc
if i have 2 SS trait should i use exsanguinate or i always have to sim my char and stick to it (even if it is a TB for m+)
inner pecan
so if you're purely doing it for dmg then it's probably not worth, it's incredibly close
glossy violet
i also like their looks tbh
inner pecan
if you want a pure dmg alliance race you should play gnome or panda lol
inner pecan
if you want looks then by all means go ahead, it's irrelevant in the end
lethal heart
just play w/e you will enjoy playing the most
shut zinc
if i have 2 SS trait should i use exsanguinate or i always have to sim my char and stick to it (even if it is a TB for m+)
candid phoenix
TB is not that good in M+
long hill
Its useless that u spam Rzqq just sim yourself
shut zinc
it was a red text for me, sorry for spamming lol
candid phoenix
only in very high Tyrannical keys where bosses last 4-5 mins TB can be better but still Exsang helps u clear trash much faster
lone junco
Isn't there a guide for this shit
3ss. Subterfuge. Exang. Ct. Crit is good. Dice/GC trinket.
Gggct open.
long hill
Crimson pure aoe / bomb rng
candid phoenix
on Tyrannical weeks i run with PB, cus running with a mage and a boomkin, trash alrdy dies too fast
so i focus on boss dmg
long hill
On tyrannical is good PB
lethal heart
spyglasses is really good aswell
for assa
because its so much crit brings a lot of consistency
pseudo finch
It's dope in KR too tbh