ct is good but it depends on the dungeon as well
#assassination
strange python
if you're getting packs of 3 mobs then pb would be better
but 5+ CT
No lol
U ct at 3+
pallid bluff
CT is very good for most situations ecspecially on Fort Weeks. The generel consensus i belive is that you run PB for KR and other than that noone is really agreed on when to do CT over PB
ocean oyster
I like the lower rng for ct
strange python
i'm just saying pb doesn't shine on aoe as much but at least it provides boss damage without feeling like it's taking a talent slot sitting on my bars
or messing up rotation
pallid bluff
aoe is 90% of a M+ though
strange python
CT is generally better on m+
Than PB
Because its on use
not rng like pb
i don't notice my aoe shoot up that much when using CT in dungeons, and i don't know when you're supposed to use it over rupturing
pallid bluff
you just keep the dot up
strange python
maybe because ure not using it correctly
apparently even though it's hard to mess up
basically on 3+ targets, G -G - G - CT and spread ruptrues
maintain CT
pallid bluff
you should be GGG>CT>Fok>Fok>rup>exsang>fok>rupture spread while maintaing CT dot
cyan frost
o
strange python
spamming ct doesn't do much beside refresh timer, the actual damage from using it is minimal outside of the DoT
pallid bluff
theres a point where you have enough enemies and they wont live long enough that makes CT worth spamming but idk exactly what that point is
strange python
i also get really unlucky when group FoKing and only get 1 CP 99% of the time
devout hamlet
Got a dagger in the back / twist the knife helm in my chest today and not sure how to feel about it
strange python
sometimes i'll get 3 or 4
flat portal
is it odd for Master Assassin to sim as my highest talent in the row ?
void pecan
No
strange python
no
void pecan
it's.. "standard" now
strange python
according to bloodmallet
But many are still running Subterfuge
Both talents are viable
at this point idk how to even play m+ outside of using SS and subterfuge together
flat portal
im guessing the opener changes ?
flat portal
cool guess im lookign that up thanks for the info peeps ๐
strange python
void pecan
doesn't have MA stuff does it?
flat portal
still has the old openers
devout hamlet
God it sucks keeping up with rogue meta
Iโm about to re roll frost mage and be done with this shit
void pecan
๐
strange python
the site doesn't have anything about opener using master assassin either
buoyant ember
Lol true
devout hamlet
Or boomy
strange python
Ma opener is something like this : G > MUT > RUP > TB > VEN > VANISH > Mut > env > mut > mut > env
void pecan
Amen
miz, you have screen shot of ma opener right?
from some spreadsheet or something
civic palm
It's just the APL opener.
void pecan
Oh
civic palm
Will check it again after this SIM.
Doubt it's changed.
Vendetta before TB though, 100%, TB does too much DMG to not buff it.
cyan frost
for m+ is it good to drop a 340 SS for say a 385 DD?
brazen copper
my dps seems kinda low. i'm at 363 ilvl and about 11.3k on raid target dummy
brazen copper
nah
strange python
BL?
brazen copper
unbuffed
strange python
Well then dont expect more
craggy raptor
Monk buff
delicate gull
MA+TB... Garrote -> Mut -> Rup -> Vendetta -> Mut -> TB ->Vanish -> Env at 4-5?
delicate gull
ok, but do we do it at 3 inside MA? feels kinda bad to muti again
strange python
Entering vanish u got 0 cp
Toxic blade generates 1
Muti generates 2 to 4
After vanish u got like 70-80% crit
delicate gull
i was looking at rogue openers on warcraft logs and most of them are going TB -> vanish with 4-5 CP im guessing, is that wrong?
strange python
because of MA
no its not
I dont remember but I had a long convo about ma opener
Thats its better to use TB before vanish
but idk
delicate gull
i guess its all still in the works, thanks
civic palm
Most things regarding MA atm are still up in the air about literal best practice.
civic palm
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
delicate gull
i guess it is only like 20dps less
void pecan
Subt feels icky without ss
delicate gull
yee
void pecan
Personal opinion
delicate gull
idk, i can either do MA+TB for 70dps more, or run SS+EXSG. not sure which one is overall better if i only can have 1 gear set
void pecan
70 more theoretical dps.
strange python
you don't have to run MA with TB or exsang with SS exclusively either
delicate gull
i like the consistency and less line-up of tb so i think ill try it this week
strange python
also depends on situation, subterfuge on bosses probably doesn't make much of an impact
i started using tb over exsang last week and haven't looked back, i like it more
delicate gull
do you hold vendetta or tb for your 2nd vendeta+vanish?
delicate gull
really? i swear i was like 15 seconds off or something, ill keep practicing
strange python
yeah as soon as vendetta is up i try to vanish to get at least 1 garrote on the boss off
nope both are 2 min cds
Oh then hold it I guess
delicate gull
well i mean TB + Vendetta vanish
strange python
unless you mean tb
void pecan
With ma it should be lined up anyway
strange python
Marks an enemy for death for 20 sec, increasing the damage your abilities and auto attacks deal to the target by 30%
if it's like a 30 sec difference i'd tb off cd, if you have 10~15 seconds i'd wait and pair
Yes
Hold it
delicate gull
got it thanks
mint oar
whats the haste breakpoint?
cyan frost
when you garrote while vendetta is up, is the entire garrote duration affected by vendetta ?
cyan frost
ah okay
sharp fulcrum
glossy acorn
imagine losing to chadwick
little sandal
anyone got a rotation for master assassin talent?
void pecan
scroll up my dude
thorn sierra
hey guys switching from outlaw to assasination because all the gear drops is for asss... anywhere i can look to practice the rotation?
void pecan
strange python
lucid bolt
can anyone please help me understand why my sim is so low? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4JfarFdXSXWy6eCzz5iFaT
lone junco
SIN BFA GUIDE HERE--> http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/ <-- SIN GUIDE HERE
strange python
One of ur trinkets is dogshit
lucid bolt
lol which
agile phoenix
so is SS complete dog shit now?
lucid bolt
damn okay cool
agile phoenix
one of the worse according to bloodmallet
lucid bolt
what enchants should i get for my weapons?
lone junco
@lucid bolt double archive. bad trinket. haste could be like 3% higher
strange python
@lucid bolt Just get crit and haste
paper aspen
What was your previous trinket?
void pecan
Sounds like someone needs to read the guide
lucid bolt
wait so im not supposeed to stack archivee?! lol f me
strange python
Well u can if it sims the best
tired thistle
Having more than one SS is shit now correct? and should you atleast get just one?
void pecan
M+ you want SS
agile phoenix
on bloodmallet its like one of the worst traits ๐
strange python
Bloodmallet is MA build
void pecan
tired thistle
But take one atelast for Raid just for the CPs?
strange python
of ofcs its going to be bottom
tired thistle
I do
agile phoenix
MA?
void pecan
Master Assassin
strange python
yh
agile phoenix
hmm
void pecan
the "standard" on bloodmallet and herodamage is MA
agile phoenix
all i know is it was top last i looked now its at bottom xD
lucid bolt
subterfuge eis no longere the eway to go ?
void pecan
Depends on your gear.
strange python
both MA and sub are viable
lucid bolt
sweet i removed the double archive and now my dps went up like 200 pointss
agile phoenix
interesting
summer tapir
In raid do I want 2 Archives and 1 SS or 2 SS and 1 Archive?
strange python
sim yourself
inner pecan
you need one prior
agile phoenix
is there a reason why i have 2 370 helms, 1 is lazer matrix the other is trade winds and the trade winds is out dps'ing it ๐
floral loom
Prob because you have RA on your chest or shoulders
near kettle
that or you have low mastery and mastery is performing better for you
grim valley
Michee, what would you play if not SS in dungeon more than +10?
near kettle
ye, laser matrix and archive dont perform well on their own, RA is what makes them good
inner pecan
@grim valley Archive, Blightborne, Champions, anything like that is decent
Scent of Blood too
But at equal ilvl SS will outperform anything else in m+
near kettle
scent is great for m+
pastel wasp
can anyone confirm if galecaller boon trinket puts you out of steath if you use before garrote
torn hornet
grim valley
Eh alright, so it lose value for higher key but still bis at equal ilvl
shrewd bane
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
shrewd bane
:(
near kettle
i like Garrote, mutilate for likely 4cp for 5cp total and rupture, normal rotation after that
wild stone
hey guys when it comes to patchwerk with GB.. do I use exsang on CD or wait for GB? What about vanish?
wild stone
do i use vanish as soon as first garrote is off?
tribal sand
ughh
im never going to get azerite gear from weekly chest
forever 340 azerite pieces
silver egret
you will eventually
echo cargo
three weeks in a row, three azerite pieces from weekly
void pecan
@wild stone do you have ss, changes rotation if you do or not
echo cargo
downside is I've never gotten an archive since normal raid lmao
obtuse grove
Monk is heals. Think he zoned out to swap for last boss maybe?
pastel wasp
^
wild stone
no SS @void pecan
i looked at the ravenshold rotation for no SS but i tested it out on a dummy and i do less dps in one minute that way than if I open with G > G > Mut > Rup > Vendetta > GB Exsang > normal rotation
pallid bluff
@strange python they 4 dps the first boss for the dps check adn they zone and heal the rest of the insance
the first boss of underrot is a very high check
pastel wasp
thought 2nd boss would be harder
pallid bluff
once the second mirros pop is a wipe if the boss doesnt die soon
sick monolith
what %haste are some of you guys? im at 13%
wild stone
18.5
pastel wasp
u running tb or exsang
wild stone
sim for 16.1k
pastel wasp
with that 18%
agile phoenix
whats the MA talent set up?
void pecan
same as subt tb, but MA instead.
gritty plume
If you have 1 SS and are running TB do I delay vendetta? It makes sense with exang because I vanish quicker in the opener? But that'll delay the second vendetta another 10-12 seconds.
strange python
is simming 2.5% lower worth taking a 370 SS over a 385 dagger in the dark. SS offers some nice combo points.
uh no
Not in Uldir
chilly apex
question the uldir reorigination array does not stack correct?
pastel wasp
not even if youre running exsang?
chilly apex
basically sim everything
gritty plume
If you run exsang I thought you delayed second vendetta to line up vanish
agile phoenix
can anyone tell me why im simming so low? i cant put my finger on it im simming nearly 1k higher as outlaw
strange python
You do delay vanish for vendetta
chilly apex
agile phoenix
my outlaw is 365 equipped and is like 15.4
strange python
yes but u probably got better traits
strange python
U got tradewinds on head
chilly apex
yeah
agile phoenix
it simming better then lazer :/
agile phoenix
i have RA on shoulders tho
strange python
Archive
chilly apex
+10 laser matrix should sim higher
agile phoenix
ye
chilly apex
ahh
agile phoenix
im only +4 aswell
chilly apex
oh
chilly apex
all i can say is your trinket is bad
strange python
is bad for st
chilly apex
REALLY bad
agile phoenix
sims higher then every other trinket i have lol
agile phoenix
i have 355 harlans
strange python
do u have galecaller?
chilly apex
galecaller is higher
strange python
well get galecaller
agile phoenix
sims lower lol
strange python
And try Master Assassin instead of subterfuge
agile phoenix
and master poisoner?
strange python
no
chilly apex
my toon right now
agile phoenix
will check now haha
blazing cobalt
I feel like gale caller is a red herring for most people, because its so immobile, and if you want to maximize it, you pretty much gotta delay until you know for a fact you wont have to move
chilly apex
its really useful in raid though
agile phoenix
yeah
chilly apex
like half of uldir is static ST
spice frost
I thought master assassin was supposed to become better than subterfuge once you dropped ss and got dd
strange python
because it does
strange python
Makes a difference with 2/3DD
pastel wasp
not you cooby
chilly apex
my biggest problem is my weapons lol
pastel wasp
look at jasons trinket
chilly apex
and on sims its like super high
agile phoenix
comparing now @strange python
pastel wasp
370/360 isnt bad
chilly apex
oh shit michee
you're right
i should be running master assasin
*assassin over subterfuge
cerulean anchor
i can change shrouded on my chest to archive but that simmed lower in the past
lusty narwhal
Tfw 385 azerite Scent of Blood helm < 370 lazer matrix
lusty narwhal
Still rocking 340 shoulders
true rapids
same
chilly apex
only thing @spice frost needs is a 10 harlans
true rapids
im about to roll for shoulders this week
chilly apex
and he'd be god-mode lol
lusty narwhal
Im 373 simming at 15.2k LUL
lusty narwhal
Idk how im so low
void pecan
Im right around you too
chilly apex
might be azerite
might be your trinkets
who knows
lol
generally weapons, trinkets, azerite in that order provide the most dmg changes is what i've seen
lone junco
@lusty narwhal get 5 more sockets
lone junco
prob shouldnt use 2 lazers
chilly apex
yup
lusty narwhal
Sims better than the other options
chilly apex
your trinket isn't also very good
true rapids
you cant really farm for that though lol need mad luckk
chilly apex
your dead-eye spyglass is comparable to a 370+ galecaller's boon
chilly apex
its probably your trinket to be honest
meager basalt
do yall know if blood siphon, dagger in the back, and leeching poison all work off each other?
lusty narwhal
I think youre trippin
lone junco
try the same ilvl as your lazer , switch it to DD and archive.
just for scale.
gear compare swap
sick monolith
do you guys use exsanguinate in raids over TB?
blazing cobalt
I'd personally run anything remotely close parsing to gale callers
meager basalt
anyone know if bagger in the back works with blood siphon?
blazing cobalt
over gale callers
meager basalt
with leeching poison
dusky tinsel
"Vanish when Garrote hits 5.4 seconds or less when talented into subterfuge" what if I have Master Assassin talented?
lone junco
read the apl for MA then
it is not the same
run a sim, click the html, and read the sample sequence
traits/talents matter
dark token
when u try ur new boosted gearset on taloc
dark token
blazing cobalt
All of those bosses except zul have mechanics where, you at least have to hold gale callers to ensure you dont get a mechanic which results in a dps loss, which imo puts it on par with something that can be used more optimally due to not having to worry about being static for 10s
Thats my take on it
meager basalt
guys leeching poison - exanguiate - blood siphon - dagger in the back
you think this could work lol
meager basalt
how do i tell if blood siphon is working from each of those abilities
primal gazelle
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7SKi8SVBzq3N8JMCmnkzB
apparently its not worth it to even use 1 SS for me lol
true rapids
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/u4m6Uvtn3vh4g83issfscB
No dd shoulders so it's more worth to keep 2 ss for me
little sandal
anyone know how to sim the uldir gear with simulation craft?
primal gazelle
should be automatic
little sandal
not doing it for me
true rapids
any obvious gear I should replace i.e. better stats?
celest swan
sry maybe dump question, but chosing topgear wiht different azertie traits (cause SS favors subterfuge/exsang) and different talentbuilds is a safe way to check for what i should go
or are there any extra things to consider
hollow stone
Nice @dark token what traits you got/ilvl of az?
lusty narwhal
Think i broke simcraft
chilly apex
use raidbots?
celest swan
raidbots seems off too, is soemthing known about some wacky "hastecap" in the sims?
explain me why wtih dmc the 370+socket hands are best
but wiht harlans the 380 hand sim higher
i dont get it
lusty narwhal
Sockets are OP
celest swan
thats not my question^^
lusty narwhal
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celest swan
i dont get why ๐ฆ
strange python
Stat weight urself
I mean there has to be a point where haste just basically falls off right
chilly apex
probably because harlan gives you crit
or a different buff
that skews your stat weights away from what you have on your gloves + socket
celest swan
but the different is "huge"
chilly apex
how much is huge?
strange python
๐คฃ
celest swan
its huge compared to other difference in today sims
chilly apex
60 dps is margin of error level
strange python
just run what sims highest or if its within 80dps, what suits u best
chilly apex
more than likely
you would probably get more of dps boost
if you fiddled with your gems
and stat weights
strange python
I mean
If haste is like 1.8 and crit 1.9, gemming isnt gonna do a lot
maybe 50dps diff
not even
celest swan
u saw my question earlier, anything else to consider for the choice between MA und Subterfuge? or can i follow a top gear sim with all viable azerite trait combination+ talent combiantions blindly?
chilly apex
cleave
if your cleaving probably Sub > MA
because you have 3 garrotes ticking
lol
celest swan
k but there is no caveat to simming the top gear wiht all options
chilly apex
i don't follow what youre saying
lol
you should sim so you can figure out what your highest ST setup is
celest swan
ye
strange python
Like run ST for everything but
celest swan
just sometimes there are some caveats to a plain sims cause of the api or other stuff
strange python
Zul
celest swan
for example
strange python
And maaybe ghuun
celest swan
i just saw that the 3 target cleave sim doesnt do 3 garrotes first but puts rupture on target 1 after 2 garrotes and then garrotes target 3, which isnt advisable on live due to ss bug
chilly apex
i was listening to the mythic raiders for zul
and they told me that i should be running sub on zul
primal gazelle
so if i dont use any SS, do i open with G->mult until 4+ combo, or double garrote? for panademic? with TB
chilly apex
instead of assassin
as your gear overlaps a good deal and you should be using the crawgs for cleave and shuriken storm
otherwise you're just getting carried as assassination
primal gazelle
sub is god for zul
theres a reason why theres 0 outlaw and assassin logs for mythic zul
literally 0
primal gazelle
youd prob get replaced if you dont play sub on m zul
strange python
Not really
chilly apex
yeah thats what they were telling me
primal gazelle
no guilds will let that fly until maybe 2-3 months into the clear when its on farm mode and no one cares
sick monolith
x2 archive? x1 SS?
chilly apex
the difference is huge
sick monolith
sim it!
strange python
Is there any spec that can compete on M zul with sub?
primal gazelle
on ST, no
chilly apex
according to wowlogs
primal gazelle
for padding sure
strange python
yeah sub is like, you're padding but not really
All that damage goes into zul anyways
primal gazelle
theres a frost mage at 46k on zul
chilly apex
the people who are doing mythic apparently lol
primal gazelle
but 75% on his dmg was on crawgs
chilly apex
ST dmg with sub on zul is high as well
because combo point dump is evisercate on zul
strange python
I just said that
strange python
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void pecan
chilly apex
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honest needle
any tips for vectis i parse low on that fight its my only fight under an 85
like anything special i should do
honest needle
if i go to double dot add my dots will fall off my main target
chilly apex
and look at where they stand and hit
honest needle
do i refresh early ?
lilac lily
wat
primal gazelle
what is the haste and mastery food called?
lilac lily
refresh rupture at 7s and garrote at 5.4s
if you're using subterfuge, save vanish for add
dapper wraith
if you're using no SS, and toxic blade/MA - do you want to vanish during the opener to mut/TB/envenom? or wait until your 2nd TB of the fight to use vanish?
lilac lily
in the opener
dapper wraith
I thought I read something like that, but the opener goes against it on the guide
lilac lily
garrote>mut>rupture>vendetta>vanish>TB>mut>envenom
dapper wraith
Ok
junior aurora
i like shrouded mantle
honest needle
i sim higher with tb but is extang better for fetid
i see every 1 using extang
i doubt every1 is simming higher with extang
i kno im not
primal gazelle
@lilac lily why would you vanish after using vendetta in the opener?
tacit steppe
Da fuq is extang
sour trout
is me having 29% haste too much after all buffs?
hazy sphinx
its purple tang
sour trout
lol
hazy sphinx
instead of orange
lilac lily
@primal gazelle Master Assassin buff
primal gazelle
ahh
brazen copper
should I OH a 355 with haste over a 370 without?
exotic glen
no?
exotic glen
fucking people answering with sim yourself when there is no way 355 in the offhand hand would win over 370
the hell people
exotic glen
right there you go
unborn rampart
for m+: 370 shoulders off zul (archive) vs. 340 shrouded suffication?
edgy plover
Is shrouded suffication the best one? I see a lot of top rogues run that
bitter aurora
Alc what other traits you have on other pieces
bitter aurora
Iโd take the archiv especially on higher keys and or if your tank is fast at pulling
exotic glen
i'd go with SS probably
bitter aurora
That I canโt answer too well since scaling in rated pvp is whack
But always have at least one ss for pvp
unborn rampart
Cargo, for PvP, M+, or both?
unborn rampart
good call
bitter aurora
No one does. They never released it
exotic glen
someone probably knows
bitter aurora
But Iโm 370 and 2s with a 300 and he keeps up in damage
unborn rampart
o.O
if i'm just garrote x3 on opener, do i even benefit from the extra cp from ssx3 vs. ssx2? or is it more the garrote dmg?
mostly doing relatively highish keys, 12s, 13s, etc.
so stuff takes a while to die
vagrant tapir
Master Assasin you Vaniish envenom right?
exotic glen
you can ask the same question regarding 1 ss vs 2 ss alcaras
and since you have 2 you should know there are no extra cp
unborn rampart
i use vanish for stupid m+ tricks
exotic glen
just more garrote dmg
unborn rampart
don't usually use it for dps
which maybe a mistake!
and running subterfuge, not master assassin
unborn rampart
i wish you could swap gear in m+ so i could test more easily
and i wish zul dropped shrouded suffication shoulders
is Master Assassin > Subeterfuge for M+? but then you give up 3x garrote?
dapper wraith
SS and sub are king in M+ afaik
exotic glen
how in the hell do you think that could even be close to the case
you run 2x or 3x ss
and then pick master assassin?
dapper wraith
@unborn rampart vanish is a dps cooldown, btw, it has no other use. anyone that says so is a filthy liar.
exotic glen
if your group wants you to do dps at least
south pendant
!wa
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unborn rampart
I do not use Master Assassination in m+ -- subterfuge and 3x garrote for me
exotic glen
like you should
honestly kind of jealous of your azerite luck then even if its 340
or maybe im just the unlucky one
unborn rampart
i just did freehold with 5x leather
and had them trade me the shoulders
was great during the mythic dungeon week -- 3 pieces off the last boss
can also just skip to the last boss too
exotic glen
vagrant tapir
yeah i did the same thing when i started out ass
took 4 hrs
3x SS
then they nerfed into the groud
its still good for m+
exotic glen
its still good in general the hell are you on about
vagrant tapir
its not bad
vagrant tapir
there are mnuch better traits though
exotic glen
there are few
unborn rampart
hrm, most top rogues with 370+ gear mostly are running 2x ss and archive on the shoulders
unborn rampart
aye
exotic glen
but most people find themselves simming highest with SS
old quartz
made the 16k club fam! โค https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bESbURMkrESFqURaRUPePE
scenic nacelle
tfw 370 Frentic gets wrecked by Fathoms
old quartz
thanks, got the OH from mother tonight ๐
old quartz
lol yea had some nice rng
iron jacinth
where can i find a list of BiS Trinkets
feral imp
did we get changes this patch? wowanalyzer says we're not supported
but I didn't see anything in patch notes
exotic glen
@iron jacinth herodamage.com
was wowanalyzer supported at all during bfa?
even back in end legion it was pretty terrible because no one was doing any work on it
unborn rampart
14.1k on H'Ghuun :D
exotic glen
hype dude
feral imp
it worked last week is there a better version?
exotic glen
i dont think there is
best option would be to post your logs here and hope someone will review it for you
vagrant tapir
Was doing bosses
Most people already geared for SS, also its a lot more available than other traits
And yeah it depends on fight
if you can get some decent vanish garrote spreads then it will do really well
exotic glen
use vendetta on cd
vanish and vendetta are 2 mins now right
so shouldnt ever really desync
thin ingot
o nicce
pastel wasp
@vagrant tapir not vendetta>vanish>tb>env?
unborn rampart
just use vanish to reset garrotes in M+ with subterfuge, right?
also, CT > PB over M+ i presume
exotic glen
how many gcds can you fit into master assassin
pastel wasp
mine is vend>vanish>tb>env
pastel wasp
sim it
pastel wasp
and action priority
exotic glen
@unborn rampart PB has its place on very few tyrannical dungeons
other than that yeah ct
pastel wasp
strange python
what poisons for weapons?
exotic glen
deadly
primal sedge
is fathoms still one of the best trinkets or has it been nerfed?
primal sedge
i didnt realize they update herodamage that frequently, my bad.
exotic glen
but being that its stuck at 355 it cant compete with 385 +
herodamage is the most frequently updated site
its run by people from this discord
primal sedge
i just hit 120 on my rogue and want to get some gear to get into m+ quickly
neon yacht
warfruuunts
primal sedge
gotta be 320 to get in them now
exotic glen
in m+?
primal sedge
warfronts
exotic glen
oh yeah
get people to boost you a bit if you have friends
do warfronts, lfr and get as high keys as possible
neon yacht
actually timewalking was the one
exotic glen
timewalking is pretty insane as well yeah
remember to use legion legendaries as they work in there
primal sedge
timewalking is difficult without them lol
ive been in some timewalking that were worse than +10 keys as far as time it took to complete due to ignorance
exotic glen
Then that would be on your team
Not you
You cant singlehandedly ruin an entire dungeon
Also, do it with friends and guildies
native silo
man the guide gonna get updated or?
primal sedge
oh no, it was the team. just randoms that had no clue what they were doing
abstract raven
i really think the sims dont pick up ss extra combo value for some reason. put my stuff back on and parsed way better even though its nerfed
abstract raven
just raidbots, too lazy to build my own sim these days with all the changes
native silo
the stickied guide is still saying to stack SS and use subterfuge but sim says to use MA?
native silo
yea but SS is kinda shit now and it doesn't mention using double dose trait at all
abstract raven
@exotic glen i dont have em up anymore, basically ss sims lower than dd even with it being my last one (so i lose the combos) but when i put on that single ss trait i do better nine times out of ten. might be situational and kinda just my experience but yeah. feels off
exotic glen
SS is not shit
sudden trench
Double dose is shit
exotic glen
if you could point me to what says SS is shit
double dose is not shit either
what the fuck is wrong
abstract raven
ss is dope man, bis for m+ and pvp and tbh (imo) required for smooth sin
sudden trench
For almost every fight in the raid. SS > DD
exotic glen
@abstract raven are you simming and using the same type of build for your gameplay
abstract raven
yeah
exotic glen
both traits are better with different builds
exotic glen
yeah
exotic glen
haha at least you found out
pallid bluff
its more DD with master and TB and SS with SUb and Exsang
its not just Sub that makes SS good
abstract raven
still think i will always play ss even if its lower. feels too smooth man
exotic glen
well its definitely within a reasonable range of dps of each other
also its kind of fight dependant
you can play what you want man
abstract raven
troof
sudden trench
If you can do the same dps on every raid boss. Using 2 ss and then 2 dd. Then you are good bud
I sim 17k with either ss and dd
But the dmg i get from dd does not come close
spring prawn
silent silo
so if i play master assasin do i play like i did in legion? i dont see anything in the guides about it
desert pelican
whats better bought trinkets - sim or check herodamage numbers?
r all trinkets sims well?
uncut mango
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
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exotic glen
you can do either soulbreak
herodamage crosschecks ilvl with dps so its easy to see whats best
but if 2 trinkets are too close, you can sim it
no trinkets have any sim problems afaik
desert pelican
kk, thx
exotic glen
@silent silo with master assassin you go
vanish > tb > mut > envenom
make sure you have 0 CP ofc
exotic glen
close but not really i guess
silent silo
ohhh yea in legion i built up to 5cp and vanished
exotic glen
lmao yeah
exotic glen
same as what i just said
polar timber
ah okay thanks friend
exotic glen
let me check it with some high lvl logs as well sec
like i expected, no top MA logs did that
they all just do what they remember from legion
idk whats best to do in this case
but im going to guess that the apl is correct
polar timber
i would trust sims
exotic glen
i could see it play out better
polar timber
or apl w.e
exotic glen
more consistently
polar timber
im gonna try now
exotic glen
thing is just (i think)
if you could ensure that the mut would give 4 cp after vanish every time
then vanish > envenom would be best
but its not 100% crit like shoulders, its 50
alpine pilot
btw guys, if im running master assassin talent instead of subterfuge, i shold just be using vanish off cd with vendetta right?
exotic glen
well you do realise they have the same cd right
alpine pilot
like would a good opener be, garrote, mut mut rupture, vendetta mut TB > envenom spam?
ahh
i see
i didnt realize u guys were just talkin about that lol
alpine pilot
thanks
exotic glen
np
alpine pilot
is it wrong to do vendetta vanish mut > tb > envenom?
stuck shuttle
yes
exotic glen
yes
stuck shuttle
?
stuck shuttle
lol?
alpine pilot
im sorry
exotic glen
not you
supple hearth
rapid stag
!wa
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https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
civic phoenix
So besides an Array trait, are traits even that important for sin? Or should I really just prioritize the ilvl
daring imp
for raiding, almost all the time ilvl takes the cake
civic phoenix
ight I was looking thru logs and like even all the top sin rogues have such a different variety of traits
exotic glen
agi is just really fucking good
but traits are important
mainly SS traits if you play exsang
fiery bear
how does the azerite power weight string work in herodamage site?
fiery bear
in simc addon or pawn?
oh wait thats an addon
which one is better powerweight or azerite forge?
exotic glen
since they have the same data
i would guess it doesnt matter
only difference is interface
fiery bear
ahh ok
paper bough
what build you guys use for m+
dusk sun
If its fortified subterfuge CT
dusk sun
I like to mix it up with a blighborne infusion for the monster crits
thin ingot
how many ilvls does double dose make up for
exotic glen
im gonna go ahead and say you're wrong there
wish they would finish the m+ profile
so we could get some data on this shit
dusk sun
Depends on the sim maybe
exotic glen
im pretty sure it doesnt
you would need ridiculously low amounts of crit
with the best approximation of the m+ profile so far
SS is way ahead of infusion
dusk sun
Personally having 1 ss 1 dd simmed better than having 2 ss for me
exotic glen
and it has limitations that doesnt allow it to reenter stealth
making SS shoot more up
fading hearth
Trying to decide between goblin or undead for rogue is hard
desert pelican
whats the best way to track multiple bleeds on targets? im tracking just by using nameplates debuffs, and on some bosses hp bar placed to high to track it sometimes. wa\addon?
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
slender smelt
ok blizz apparently didn't fix this
grim wolf
I'm surprised at how much dmg sharpened blades does, usually around 5-6% of my dmg
grim wolf
With one trait, got a 385 piece today
rotund barn
Is there anywhere that describes the best times to use exsan?
grim wolf
On CD or if you need it to burn through something or a vuln period @rotund barn
slender smelt
GRG-(any CD)-mut-R exsang
grim wolf
That's how I use it
rotund barn
vuln period?
slender smelt
like
exotic glen
target takes extra dmg
slender smelt
ghuun under the reorigination
exotic glen
mother's 3rd room
grim wolf
Like if a boss or something takes increased dmg and that phase is gonna come up
rotund barn
Oh yeah I get that part but also I thought I was needing to wait to use it till I got a fresh garrote and rupture on the target
slender smelt
best if you could align those bleeds at max
rotund barn
like for example
slender smelt
31 sec rup and 20+ sec garrote
rotund barn
lets say my garrote has 10 secs left and rupture has 20 secs left and exsan is off cd,
wait to use it or use it
desert pelican
@exotic glen wa cant create boss nameplates, nope?
slender smelt
wait
desert pelican
looking for something like this type of addon ๐
torpid jackal
thats just DBM or bigwigs
exotic glen
@desert pelican try shadowed unit frames
pastel wasp
thats elvui isnt it
exotic glen
might need to fiddle around with it a bit until it shows dots
pastel wasp
pretty sure
desert pelican
im using elv ui, and didnt seems debuffs, maybe my bad
pastel wasp
its elvui with target frames showing debuffs
civic palm
Actually, @exotic glen , has anyone tested the SS bug on NA this week?
civic palm
Yeah yeah I am.
slender smelt
what happens to the 4+ target cycle if ss bug got fixed
desert pelican
ss didnt fixed -_-
slender smelt
like do we apply another garrote?
exotic glen
you dont right now
slender smelt
yep
exotic glen
depends on target amount i'd say
immediately after 3rd target tho
you would rupture
desert pelican
4 applying 4th garrote 5-6 vanish 2-3 more ss garrotes?)
exotic glen
think you'd wait until your 3 first garrotes were running out
until you vanish again
boreal spoke
Iโm 368 but only simming 15k. Am I doing anything wrong? Any advise?
civic palm
alright some normal stuff... no SUB, no SS, no Stealth -