Look at Zul I beg to differ
#assassination
clever raven
inner pulsar
My question was "Why would you play Sub on Taloc"
sullen pagoda
on pure ST i personally do more as sub than assassination @inner pulsar
inner pulsar
@sullen pagoda Fair enough
daring imp
here i am at 367 for two weeks fml
lethal ruin
do u crimson on single target
daring imp
no
daring imp
lul
limber lion
That 95 on Fetid though, feelsbadman
sullen pagoda
thats mythic? @limber lion
limber lion
Absolutely not lmao
inner pulsar
Lol
sullen pagoda
oh hc
inner pulsar
LFR Rank yo
sullen pagoda
https://i.imgur.com/lgBb2gC.png hc yikers
pastel vault
pf
limber lion
https://gyazo.com/987acd6ab6642abc05964db57c09494c
this is mythic so far. FeelsEvenWorseMan
vestal abyss
How do you even get a purple MOTHER log when youre not in the last group
sullen pagoda
im in 2nd to last group
cursive geyser
Since Bloodmallet and Herodamage are not correct, which traits are now the go 2 for m+ and what for st? im really confused now
limber lion
Or she?* or it?
pastel vault
zul logs 😦
sullen pagoda
damn u that 100
pastel vault
dont think there are crags for like 30seconds in phase 1
my raid just pads the fuck out off em
sullen pagoda
i didnt get ressed 👶 😡
pastel vault
ya we had that I think
vestal abyss
is it possible to see a side by side spellcast comparison on wcl?
pastel vault
yes
sullen pagoda
change to timeline and go to casts
vestal abyss
i mean between two logs
inner pulsar
On what difficulty is 17.4K 100% on Zek'voz?
sullen pagoda
first week or 2nd yea
neon yacht
Guys what's a good addon to track our dots in aoe/cleave situation
inner pulsar
Oj
vestal abyss
okay so eh, how?
inner pulsar
Oh*
sullen pagoda
idk between 2 @vestal abyss
clever raven
Thankfully my raid doesnt pad on the crags
sullen pagoda
id open 2 tabs and manually put them next to each other LUL
limber lion
@neon yacht Nameplates. ElvUi, Threatplates, KUI - or just good old weakauras.
neon yacht
ok cheers
cursive geyser
@bold steppe thx i was so much confused when i saw ss so much at the bottom
vestal abyss
@pastel vault please enlighten me
pastel vault
you saw how to get to cast timeline on a single log?
limber lion
What to do when your progresing on Zek and people fail to stay away from Rolling Deceit and spread on eye beam? 😢
vestal abyss
yes
pastel vault
go to compare in top right on one of the two logs
bold steppe
@cursive geyser SS turns out to be really good in realistic M+ scenarios - viz. when you have three targets and the fight lasts 30-45s
You can sim the traits with that fight specification if you want to
pastel vault
get the code from 2nd log and put into the compare
cursive geyser
@bold steppe ok then i can go still 3x with them on m+
bold steppe
If you just want to do your weekly +10 and farm loot you're fine
bold steppe
If you're pushing competitive keys go sim it
dense quest
torn hornet
what is best way to use Master Assassin with TB?
gray stone
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inner pulsar
Uh
tropic pike
ah
lone junco
@torn hornet depends on if you have an SS or not. but run a sim with your setup, and read the apl. should be able to follow the first 20sec or so pretty easily.
pretty sure you stack 3cps and vanish tb env mut.
nimble tartan
The apl usually tbs even at full cp
torn hornet
figured it was either that or tb, vanish, mut, envenom, mut
then should have a lot of cp for third envenom in tb window
lone junco
the problem with the vanish mut, is a non crit
torn hornet
huh
lone junco
if you go in with 3cp Vanish TB (4 or 5), Env mut (2,3,4)
torn hornet
oh you mean if i don't get crits off of the vanish > mut
lone junco
yeah
torn hornet
i got you
lone junco
tb Vanish, env, mut mut.
or vanish tb env mut
for the low roll
tb crits for like 25k anyway.
its not small
inner pulsar
Thats why I 4CP TB > Vanish > Envenom > Mut ( hope for they mthical 4CP) > Envenom
torn hornet
yeah that's what i was thinking ^
but you're banking on getting 4 cp from that mutilate
inner pulsar
RIght, I'm trying to leverage the MA buff into a Crit Mutilate
torn hornet
how do you read the apl?
safe sluice
Where do you find the different WA packages? Weren’t they pinned before?
lone junco
sim with fixed sample like 100k
click html link
scroll to APL
click the sample sequence
should be an easy to read timeline
!wa
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lone junco
@safe sluice I use mizerok
torn hornet
oh nvm i got it
safe sluice
❤
lone junco
tbh, if you vanish tb env mut^crit env mut mut env.
getting a TB crit and 3 Env in tb is gonna be awesome
inner pulsar
THat may be better, I don't know
Is a guaranteed TB Crit better than fishing for an Envenom Crit?
Is the question I mean.
sacred flame
how many mobs realistically should i be keeping rupture on?
the ravenholdt guide is ambiguous
void pecan
I do 2-3, seem to be overflowing with energy after that
tropic heron
quick question on the rotation i have that talent for 10% more dmg after using a combo spender
should i envenom twice while that buff is up? or wait for the envenom buff to be falling off before using it again?
hollow stone
Try your best to maintain 100% uptime on ep. Its not actually possible so you just want as much uptime as possible. In other words, dont clip your ep buff
hollow stone
No. Try to maximize ep uptime (elaborate planning, the talent you were talking about)
Like, yes, by keeping ep up as much as you can, you will keep env buff up as much as you can just as a result
hollow stone
Yea
strange python
Well its 5-6
hollow stone
5-7 if we're nitpicking since you could be runninng twist :p
sonic solstice
27% crit, 7% haste, 40% mastery - Am I getting there for m+ now, guys?
strange python
its tyrannical
upper island
hollow stone
Oh man, there was more tb opener discussion without me?! But my copy pasta 😩
upper island
where is it
hollow stone
ma opener is the "non ss opener" on rh. It is g m r m vend tb van env m env
Nailed it
Stuck the landing
civic palm
TB probably after the Vanish due to its high damage.
strange python
ofcs u tb with the ma buff
hollow stone
Nah
strange python
yes you do
civic palm
Hold onto this for a second
strange python
Even the APL tells me to
hollow stone
Not on opener
fading spade
Same for me on the APL
strange python
hollow stone
Apl is bad
civic palm
Doesn't make it wrong, just not optimal.
strange python
Why is it not optimal
fading spade
Also curious
I mean for the opener I see no harm in following the apl. Past that it's up in the air cuz mechanics
Also I'm not trying to sound like a smartass. Just genuinely curious
strange python
so am I
lone junco
there were like 3 different viable openers in legion.
over the course of a fight, it didnt matter that much.
civic palm
The MA_APL has a low chance of being optimal because there has been very little work done to it to refine it.
For all we know it's mathematically correct over 30k+ iterations however.
lone junco
the one thing that will mess it all up, is 1 knife or 1ss
fading spade
I finally decided to switch off SS on my shoulders in favor of Tradewinds
hollow grove
why no ss?
fading spade
For raid? I found it to sim lower
strange python
Yeah for raid u just go with what sims highest
vestal venture
wait do people really use MA now?
civic palm
The two options are not far off of each other.
fading spade
I have one DD one archive and the TW
lone junco
at least I can do M+ without paying for a flip
vestal venture
I have 2x archive 1x ss simming 14,8k at 368ilvl right now
strange python
thats low
vestal venture
Yeah maybe DD MA instead of SS subterfuge might be better
Too bad my SS piece is 385 and dont have any DD rip
strange python
stacking archive is bad
vestal venture
2x archive sims better for me than dd ss archive
Havent tried with MA might be the reason though
spice surge
What traits you have isnt overly relevant compared to the ilvl of them tbh
fading spade
True. If I had a 385 idc what is on it. Mainstat is king
vestal venture
Yeah I have only 340 DD head
spice surge
As their bonus scales with ilvl its gonna massively boost your dps
fading spade
370 chest, 355 shoulders and a 340 helm
vestal venture
Just for curiosity is the guide updated for MA? Got so used to g r g tb v e it comes from muscle memory
v tb*
fading spade
Don't think it is
vestal venture
What is the opener like
fading spade
G,m,r,ven,vanish,tb,mut,env,mut,mut,env, is what I've run
That's assuming you get the 4cp crit on that first mut
fading spade
But with MA it's rare that you dont
Worst case is you will have 4 cp after the first mut. 5 obviously would be best
upper island
still need to get me some weapon
daring imp
FUCK WHY DO ALL TANKS ON HIGH KEYS JUST CHAIN PULL LIKE NORMAL
drowsy crag
What's better, earthlink, elemental whirl, or azerite gobules? I don't have any BIS traits on this piece, so I'm just wondering.
vestal venture
Parsed 92% ilvl on mythic mother being in last group
pallid bluff
How are your tanks living chain pulling on high keys
daring imp
they kite and always pull another pack before the mob actually dying
this one ignored me on about the fourth chain pull in the dungeon
the sole reason i didn't quit is because i knew the owner of the key
pallid bluff
Is he just letting the healer be oom or something?
smoky wind
Both Sin and Outlaw sim at 14.9k ST, do you think one would pull ahead in light cleave?
daring imp
i got no clue, we didn't make it in time anyway, the idiot kept dying for last boss' spiders
what do you mean light cleave
pallid bluff
Not timing ataldazar feelsbadman
daring imp
@hollow grove
vestal venture
If DD is top tier for pure ST now, are people still anyways running subterfuge + ss for m+?
pallid bluff
Yes ss for m+
daring imp
@vestal venture ye
smoky wind
Lets say.. doing g'huun, when add spawns and you get a window to cleave
vestal venture
Aight thanks. I love the SS 3cp so much it feels bad to lose it when I get enough DD pieces
daring imp
if mobs are too spread out, i think sin would take the cake
vestal venture
Though cant tell yet as I havent got to test sweet 3 envenom TBs with MA
smoky wind
I like the playstyle of both specs, but both have fights where they shine, so i'm torn between the 2 specs
and yeah haha^^
pallid bluff
Play whatever is best in whatever fight then
daring imp
i think outlul, if you don't run out of bf charges it's like extra 35% dmg or so ( not sure what source of damage from outlul counts as "not single target" )
lone junco
@vestal venture because DD is single target Mut, following an envenom. and not only do you not mutilate in aoe, you rarely Env.
so dd is garbo
daring imp
tho sin's burst for beam is nice
lone junco
as long as you arent the last guy to dunk the ball before the vuln phase grumble something something
daring imp
^ lul
smoky wind
Alright, thanks for the insight
lone junco
they lust as im running back and the priest forgot to grip me. and my sprint was down.
yay
daring imp
i always ask to be on orbs 'cuz those mofos can't do it right
hollow grove
where i can't see it
serene dome
stuck shuttle
theres literally a rotation section .
multiple rotations
depending on what traits you have
and what talents you have.
quartz wraith
Can someone please recommend some Sin Arena streamers?
vestal wren
quartz wraith
@vestal wren true! ty
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tender walrus
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runic maple
does archive of the titans stack?
stuck shuttle
yes
runic maple
but not the array right?
I have the option to pick either archive or scent of blood
I guess archive is still better even tho i have it on my helmet
rocky pumice
Raidbots is showing me that 1 ss and swirling sands is better than 2 ss. Is this accurate?
rocky pumice
regular build: EP Subter,vigor, TB and PB
pallid bluff
With tb its probably accurate for st if you change to exsang and resim ss probably pulls ahead
rocky pumice
doing it now.
rocky pumice
3+
queen tiger
ok, was confused because in the ravenholdt guide says 2 or more
rocky pumice
3 and above
runic maple
good to know lol
rocky pumice
mut give 2-4 combos and fok gives 1 per mob.
candid phoenix
Fok gives 1 + 1 per crit on extra targets
rocky pumice
@pallid bluff Still shows old talents and AP as the highest.
pallid bluff
Apl says to fan on 2+
lone junco
the diff between a mut vs fok on 2t is probably very minimal. could change just that variable and see what kind of gain it is.
pallid bluff
@rocky pumice your gear must just not like ss.
rocky pumice
lol I'll keep it for mythic +
lone junco
ill just run that now.
pallid bluff
I think on herodamage ss is only behind dd for st with the exsang build
Yeah I personally like mut on 2 because of consistency
lone junco
i do it out of habit from legion.
I had way to much mut crit to be fok on 2
AYY
ill verify that 2t has 0 fok dmg.
pallid bluff
What’s your crit at for that?
pallid bluff
Interesting
civic palm
With DD's or not?
lone junco
1archive 2ss
civic palm
mm
pallid bluff
Yeah and how much crit%
lone junco
actions.direct+=/poisoned_knife,if=variable.use_filler&buff.sharpened_blades.stack>=29 actions.direct+=/fan_of_knives,if=variable.use_filler&(buff.hidden_blades.stack>=19|spell_targets.fan_of_knives>=4+stealthed.rogue|buff.the_dreadlords_deceit.stack>=29)
pallid bluff
Can you run the 3t one again but get yourself like 4% more crit
lone junco
run yourself, and change the spell_targets.fan_of_knives>=4
forces it to never cast fok
pallid bluff
Can’t not at home more out of curiosity than actual need for my own character
civic palm
If Double Dose makes Mutilate better than FoK @ 3-5 targets this spec just got very dumb.
stuck shuttle
lol that would be stupid
civic palm
That's some bad Fokking.
lone junco
civic palm
It was be stupider due to us having to tab-Mutilate for poisons.
civic palm
Let alone FoK being worse for CP gen than Mutilate on cleave+, this only matters if you have DD though.
civic palm
So it's NOT using FoK for CP gen unless NRG is nearly or at cap?
tranquil dust
what traits
lone junco
ss
tranquil dust
u guys running for high M+
lone junco
ss
lone junco
3x
civic palm
Stil SS
pallid bluff
Ss x3
lone junco
the damage profile for Fok has zero mut ever
tranquil dust
are kinda painful
civic palm
I assume left side of NEVER MUT?
lone junco
its pegging E cap
civic palm
and it has 25% NRG overflow.
pallid bluff
You do more damage with ss only time not to is if you need the stam from@higher azerite to live
tranquil dust
yea i might
lone junco
@fleet anchor can you check out the fok condition. I think it should be fok on 4T with vigor. I seem to be capping Energy unless my test is dumb ^^ May be a function of lust, causing the E cap though.
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fCacEi1LhyigdzL9wg2J1K/simc
tranquil dust
just run 2xss
lone junco
yeah. base is nevermut
civic palm
Yeah FoK usage is weird there > _>
weak isle
hey, in the guide it doesnt tell about master assassin talent, is there any difference if u run it? like vanish useage
i have 0 ss traits
civic palm
Yes but it's not settled atm.
Try to Vanish+Mut/TB/ENV, generate as many CP or use as many ENVs during the window as you can.
and unlike Subtlety there's no waiting on the stealth bar here, so you can literally hit Vanish + Whatever within .2 seconds and nothing negative will come from it.
strange python
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weak isle
alright, thnx ❤
civic palm
The window is so fucking tiny that you don't have many chances for anything.
placid elbow
I'm liking the MA opener now
civic palm
Then opener in the APL is fine yeah.
placid elbow
it actually makes Doom's Wake feel... decent lmao
lone junco
@civic palm I tried Poison Wire, with MA. and holy shit what a short awkward window.
weak isle
is there much of a differnce in opener? no right, its just the standard opener with 0 SS
placid elbow
which i still don't get how it sims high
civic palm
Yeah it's... weird, haha.
placid elbow
i mean, it's a BUTT LOAD of agility, that's for sure lmao
civic palm
It's like VANISH ALRIGHT LET'S DO... hmmm
hollow grove
why am i simming 14k dps but im doing 12k and i don't see that im doing anything wrong!
civic palm
Double Dose is also potentially hilarious in MA window.
lone junco
@hollow grove raid buffs vs dummy?
fleet anchor
@lone junco Yeah it's a little more complex depending on a few things
I have a couple options to check
One is some cases where tab-Mutilate is the best
Other where just FoK when poisons drop is best
civic palm
ew
fleet anchor
And then FoK spam does eventually win at some high number of targets regardless
lone junco
the q was mut or fok on 2. apl is 2t. just suprised to see mut for 3t as well.
the E cap was unexpected
maybe a blend based on E values
civic palm
energy cap when FoK only makes no sense.
lone junco
maybe if E >100 you dump a mut.
civic palm
Unless there is a restriction in place **
lone junco
i was really suprised that the opener would have been fok
civic palm
With 20-25% crit it was?
civic palm
no SS either way ye?
fleet anchor
@lone junco Initial tests last night show that 2T is better for tab-Mutilate for any spec
3T tab Mutilate likely still better for any ranks of DD
gaunt lotus
Noob question... Is there snapshotting for garrote/rupture? Do they snapshot at all?
fleet anchor
But I'm exploring the "FoK when N targets don't have poisons" appoach too
lone junco
instead of Mut fok mut fok?
fleet anchor
Nah it's just for poisons
civic palm
2T tab-Muting for Poisons ye?
lone junco
id rather just mut fok env
fleet anchor
Technically could tab-AA as well 😛
civic palm
_>"
fleet anchor
I'm exploring options
fleet anchor
I have some things that are clear gains
But I'm seeing if there are better options beyond that before I change it
civic palm
DD specifically I assume.
lone junco
the extended Env window on crit seems cool as well.
fleet anchor
lone junco
way to mess all the things up
main blaze
wait what changes with DD and tab mutilate?
civic palm
Nothing yet.
fleet anchor
Nah that's just straight 2T
civic palm
hmm
fleet anchor
Another fun thing is that it seemed marginally better even with 0x traits to primarily use Mutilate
placid elbow
tab?
fleet anchor
On 3 targets
main blaze
I mean mechanically in game
fleet anchor
As long as you used FoK to refresh poisons
lone junco
1ss 1pw. garrote rupture
tab garrote rupture
mut env
tab Mut env
now we are getting silly
*that 2 stack of pw is neat
depending on how it works out
civic palm
So FoK isn't generating enough Damage or CP on 3T to function as our primary generator > _>
lone junco
tbh, fok on 4
fleet anchor
FoK hits like a wet noodle
civic palm
Yeah.
fleet anchor
civic palm
Eventually this is going to hit easy of use issues > _>
fleet anchor
Well that's 3T with 0 traits
Just using FoK when any adds had poison dropped
And otherwise Mutilate
lone junco
full garrote ruptures on 3t is feeding to much energy with the haste values
fleet anchor
There are certainly gains here to be had, just need to look for maybe some better logic
lone junco
totally capping
fleet anchor
Either way we need to keep poisons up because of energy refunds
lone junco
right
civic palm
Is that @ 10% haste or Raid haste?
fleet anchor
Which is like 90% of the value of FoK right now seems like lol
lone junco
4t is probably feeding enough Cps to pump env spam
fok white is good with scent.
but that takes way more than 4t
civic palm
Yeah.
fleet anchor
Another funny thing is that the number of DD traits doesn't seem to matter too much
civic palm
While you're here @fleet anchor is the MA APL acceptable atm?
fleet anchor
1x is enough to make it really strong at low target counts
But 3x traits isn't enough to overcome like 5-6T
lone junco
the chance that you double mut is lower than the value gain?
fleet anchor
But maybe FoK weaving would come ahead then
lone junco
probably because in 5-6T you spend your whole time applying ruptures
you dump your env uptime
do you dont get the double mut
fleet anchor
I just need to look into some hybrid options
daring imp
fan of blades pvp
fleet anchor
I need to build a matrix of when each are better baseline at different target counts
civic palm
1xTtK could alleviate the ENV uptime issue though.
lone junco
if you have any DD, then i would probably look at weaving env mut mut rupture mut mut env rupture
or something
fleet anchor
Logically, if you have DD you want to be using Mutilate as much as possible because.. otherwise you're just giving up free damage
So just trying to find the cross-over points
fleet anchor
Yeah at 5T I would suspect that FoK weaving is likely better
fleet anchor
Two things for that
- I need to find the target count cross-overs
- I need to look at refresh logic for counting targets with active/low duration poisons
(Or maybe just waiting for any target to be low duration)
civic palm
PSN duration should be similar if you are FoKing for uptime.
lone junco
if any t<5s dp filler fok?
fleet anchor
What I was testing with last night was very naive, just FoKing if any enemy had no DP up
So could maybe be more robust
civic palm
Especially if you are using Mouseover for DoT applications.
lone junco
i wont be tabbing muts if it is just for dp application. but a mutfok combo is fine by me.
anyway. gl
civic palm
Yeah.
lone junco
let me know if i can run some stuff.
civic palm
Like I said earlier, usability issues O _O
fleet anchor
Well, tabbing Mut for 2T poisons is not that big of a deal
lone junco
sure
civic palm
2T is fine.
lone junco
like vectis trash
fleet anchor
That's clearly going to be the largest gain case anyway
civic palm
Perfect for Vectis yeah.
lone junco
but M+ 4t pulls are different
fleet anchor
Vectis and Fetid are the main reasons I was looking at it fwiw 😄
proven ice
I find that I put poisons up by accident while I’m applying rupture/garrotte anyway
fleet anchor
lol well
You could make the argument that tab-Rupture with accidental AA poisons might be a DPS gain 😄
civic palm
without DD anyway.
fleet anchor
I mean especially when pooling
civic palm
Sure
civic palm
AA is a lot of damage now.
and PSN apps. are only going to make incidental tabbing better.
lone junco
I could make a wa BIP sound for DP application from off to on.
so you can tab and BIP tab
with just aa
dont want it at every refresh,
civic palm
Easiest Rogue spec. btw
lone junco
prob overkill
fleet anchor
Either way, I'll post some updates in tc-updates when I have something conclusive
lone junco
easiest rogue spec micro GC and Exang
civic palm
👍
proven ice
What? Sub and outlaw cleave is like 10x easier
civic palm
of course their cleave is easier...
fleet anchor
Sub cleave... 404 not found 😄
civic palm
lol
fleet anchor
tab-Nightblade.. kms
civic palm
nty
strange python
Sub is such a clunky spec
civic palm
Suddenly not removing Deadly Poison from the KUInameplates whitelist makes more sense.
👌
fleet anchor
haha
lone junco
did we finally get GGG into the dungeon APL?
lone junco
last I saw was still gg r
civic palm
Yeah.
Also this is updated, quit requesting access you dorks;
Mizerok's "Opener Explanations"
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xac5HPe_-CgXJo4yUiv_LJldqLu5WjPjUq9d0wRqmIg
civic palm
Yeah, ha.
civic palm
yeah the APL doesn't function like the game does.
lone junco
which is fine. garrote dmg is minimal outside of subterfuge.
civic palm
Quite.
lone junco
not if you bug it
daring iron
yeah afterwards
civic palm
if you need the energy
daring iron
or is it better to just fok spam and rupture
civic palm
and if the current DoTs are not generating the 35NRG you need.
daring iron
I see
lone junco
i garrote later into the pack if I get bored of fok
but i also maintain rupture on all elites. not just some magic number of 3 or what not.
civic palm
a low CP Rupture is probably more DMG than a Garrote anyway.
civic palm
Yeah.
lone junco
:pegging:
civic palm
o _o"
lone junco
any new cool stuff?
lone junco
i just have to take out the bar and number and it is good to go
lone junco
I had to turn off the shroud, it was triggering with GC
civic palm
Same concept of Mantle tracker.
civic palm
Yeah there's some weird shit with that aura that makes no sense.
balmy perch
was the battle potion of agility just a swap on how much riverbud and sirens pollen it took?
civic palm
MA.
I have not seen the new numbers for that recipe.
I assume they are like, 10/10 now.
balmy perch
i am in game. its 10 RB 8 Sirens
civic palm
I might be switch the MA icon to Mantle though > _> just to be cute.
balmy perch
wowhead says its supposed to be 10 sirens 8 RB
lone junco
people talk about making WA. I made SB in like 9 sec between packs in an M+
dont ask why i ran SB in an M+
balmy perch
what they really need is to make anchoweed dedicated spawns
lone junco
warlock raids on Anchor Weed are silly
daring iron
@civic palm I noticed you said something about KUA earlier. With KUA is there a way to make the nameplates not stack so high on top of each other? with 5-7 targets the plates start stacking to Narnia and I can't see them unless well unless I literally pan my camera up lol
lone junco
they run around and mass pick, then summon each other to the weed.
civic palm
@daring iron Nah the stacking logic is on Blizzards' side IIRC, and can be quite dumb.
Try altering your camera angle it might assist with that.
daring iron
Ahh alright thanks
civic palm
I am sure that there are some CVARs to change the space between nameplates/etc but I have not looked into that.
daring iron
Yeah. it's nothing I could find just within the addons configuration with a glance. Might have to give it another look
civic palm
Well if you want to modify the CVARs you are gonna need something like AdvancedInterfaceOptions to browse that stuff.
Though the labeling can be rather cryptic.
What's the new Eye of Command?
Will the proc get scuffed from attacking another target?
daring iron
The dead-eye spyglass sort of operates like it
no it doesn't drop stacks
unless you go the duration without attacking a target marked with the debuff
craggy raptor
build max stacks and then target swap to your hearts content
civic palm
Can't wait to swap in most scenarios, but yeah it looks like it requires you to hit the marked target but doesn't drop, good.
craggy raptor
guildy has a 395 socket one makes me feel ill
civic palm
haha
ornate herald
Yo. Would anyone who knows how to read logs & understands assassination be willing to go through some of my logs and tell me what I'm doing wrong? I don't feel like my damage is where it should be and that I'm underperforming somewhere
civic palm
You already read through the Guide located at the top of this discord channel and checked the Pins for anything you might be doing wrong? @ornate herald
ornate herald
Yeah, I'm not looking for basic information right now.
ornate mantle
when do we use exsanguinate or toxic blade?
civic palm
Yeah well most people are not looking to spend 10 minutes looking through a log for basic errors either.
stuck shuttle
@ornate mantle when your sims tells you to
ornate mantle
oh
ornate mantle
honestly im leveling so i guess toxic blade
balmy perch
love toxic blade
civic palm
Either way post the log and let's see what basic errors you might be able to avoid in the future @ornate herald
ornate mantle
also i thought about going rogue this expansion and im a fan pretty much of doing myth+
is it the right class?
balmy perch
i am personally not a fan exsang
ornate herald
ornate mantle
mmm ok , thanks for the tip
ornate herald
That is from normal, I played outlaw on Zul/Zek'Voz, feel free to ignore.
Fetid I played master assass for the first time and really messed that up, feel free to ignore.
stuck shuttle
which rogue are you
ornate herald
Skittleslol
strange python
why are u even linking ur logs
ornate herald
because I feel I am underperforming and want to better myself?
stuck shuttle
what fights are you looking at specifically
ornate herald
why is that so wrong?
strange python
those are like 100% parses
stuck shuttle
I don't see many issues
just going off your rankings
other than maybe kill times being slower
like Mother
stuck shuttle
or you can kill mother in 1 room
ornate herald
i assure you that i'm not trying to flex and that those percentiles are completely acceptable, but i'm obsessive and if there's anything, i'm going to look for it
sorry if that seems silly
strange python
uhh
ornate herald
i just feel like there something off, maybe its because i've played sub for most of the expansion and assass just feels off
strange python
whats the cd for toxic blade?
daring iron
You're not going to get close to 100 parses without heavy manipulation of the fights.
ornate herald
it feels like im doing something wrong
compact mantle
Its normal logs with 371 ilvl.
hard sonnet
25sec i think
stuck shuttle
not much to say about normal logs
median dagger
I'm sorry but 99 parses are insanely good man
balmy perch
yes tb is 25 sec
stuck shuttle
when people just cheese fights
strange python
All I can say is, that u only got 8 toxic blades on a 4 minutes fight
median dagger
that's the point when you stop and say "damn im good"
ornate herald
i just swapped assass and norm are the only logs i could provide being assass, apologies
stuck shuttle
yeah normal all the timings ar efucked
strange python
Up until mythrax
strange python
But geting 99% parses on normal means that u know the rotation
median dagger
BTW if this is MOTHER then don't obsess over parses on that fight
ornate herald
where this is coming from is a friend of mine is really good at rogue, hes under geared or at least less geared than me substantially and pulling the same numbers as me, my percentiles in raid are good because i feel i understand multi dotting and getting the most out of it
but i feel like i am struggling pure single target where energy regen is low and awkward at times
civic palm
Go do some Mythics, get some parses where things are not zerged down, we will see what is wrong.
ornate herald
Well I appreciate taking the time and talking to me, I apologize that all I have for sin are normal logs right now.
Have a good night.
civic palm
GN and GL further 👋
civic palm
It's more, but not by much.
daring imp
what's the highest apm class and how much?
flat oar
probably outlul 😄
strange python
Fury warrior probably
river quarry
only 1 370 and a 355 😭
strange python
U just dont stop clicking
daring imp
so 60 apm?
strange python
71
flat oar
assa apm is at 41.8 for me btw
strange python
yeah i thought it was 30
broken fiber
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
languid ore
Outlaw isn't that bad.
upper island
its the worst
lofty sand
Last time I checked Sin was 38apm
dawn coyote
Is there any custom APL we can use to get approximate m+ stat weights and decide which trinkets to run in m+?
exotic glen
its currently being worked on my theorycrafters
dawn coyote
ohhh sweet!
exotic glen
until then, use whatever people would recommend in guides and shit
dawn coyote
yeah, it's just they generally say like crit > mastery > rest
but I thought mastery would be best with constant restealths and stacking SS
but alright, glad to know it's being worked on 😃
exotic glen
you can use the herodungeon setting on herodamage until an actual m+ setting is made
its a close approximation but it has some limitation
s
so like spyglass seems to sim pretty extremely
loaded dice
dinobone charm
civic palm
@lone junco You free to test this remade Shroud WA real fast?
exotic glen
i am if hes not
exotic glen
ait
wanton wagon
What shroud WA? Gimmie
exotic glen
no
gritty solstice
does any1 feel like SS is nice in raids
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
alpine pilot
what are the top 3 traits for m+ o.o
im taking 2x SS and 1x archive of titans
is that fine?
strange python
3ss
dawn dragon
uldir traits kinda blow for m+
alpine pilot
ooo
dawn dragon
if you have any other azerite piece it's usually better
alpine pilot
thanks
burnt temple
Played sin in lfr today 💪
lone junco
@civic palm sure. Ill update and run some M+. if i scream it didnt work
civic palm
👍
lone junco
should I just delete the whole package, and reinstall?
quiet spruce
Hey guys, currently in raid doing H ghuun progression. What would be the best talent/azerite setup for this fight?
should i go ST or MT
like go shroud and sub or no shroud and MA
lone junco
I play ss exang for the vuln phase. but you do you
quiet spruce
i see
exotic glen
depends on the traits available to you
but yeah noobes idea is pretty good
but something like dark shadow sub is also pretty decent
quiet spruce
i can swap out my DD for one shorud
i have scent, which i think will be good
and matrix
strange python
scent will not be good for boss phase
exotic glen
shroud imo then
exotic glen
depends on your stacks obvs
lone junco
tbh, the 20sec window is the most important part of that fight for sin
quiet spruce
gotcha
thanks for the tips
ya, i have simmed myself, just i want to know what the top dogs are doing for this fight
thanks for the help guys 😄
rocky notch
how are people using doom's wake with exsang? like when do you pop it, on opener?
strange python
@quiet spruce Also ghuun takes shit loads of dmg while reorigination blast is active
So the transition from p2 to p3 is just pumping out as much damage as u can
frigid sleet
if you really want to pad the meter on ghuun, you triple garrote the eyes, into full vendetta on the big dude while you have the buff, followed by a vanish garrote on eyes that are left
strange python
yeah I mean thats what u wanna do in phase 1
strange python
p1 is orb shit
Phase 2 -3 you'll get that 1 additional add
That u can dot up and get extra regen
frigid sleet
you could focus these meaning less eyes instead of going mad on the dark young which is useless
but it help padding so why not
strange python
Also when specced into subter + SS, you can get the dark young buff, vanish and apply 3 garrotes
huge dps
balmy perch
can you cloak elarged heart in mythic taloc without screwing the stack?
frigid sleet
you mean the aoe that let you or not stack ?
strange python
No
frigid sleet
yea you can cloak it
strange python
Have u tried cloaking it?
balmy perch
i cloaked it but i wasnt sure if all it did was make more people take more dmg
or not
strange python
You should use the aoe reduction buff
forgot what its called
And save cloak for blood
balmy perch
i didnt get a blood and it was right before p2
strange python
Feint I think its called
quiet spruce
wow, so much advice and suggestions, thank you 😄
sorry couldnt reply quick
so many wipes xD
strange python
well its about dunking those orbs
and making sure every1 is topped before activating blast
quiet spruce
i decided to stick with what i had, ST with MA and no SS
highest dps for ST simming for me
sterile marten
cannonball trinket still bugged?
daring imp
if by bugged you mean complete garbage, ye
frank river
hey guys, returning to wow after some time like many and im really interested in playing assa. Ive seen plenty of people gearing crit/mastery for mythic keys and thats pretty much the only real content i can do right now. My ask is are there any good pawn strings for that gear build since my sims go towards haste/crit.
peak sapphire
Pawn strings depend on your current gear/traits/etc
Sim your self for 3+ targets
And shorter duration
frank river
with or without BL? @peak sapphire
peak sapphire
Probably without
obtuse grove
Id do 1min fights if youre simming for m+
fast nacelle
i think simc has issues with mainstats shifting
like you get secondary stat boost for your highest secondary. if i equip simc it would be crit for me
mellow pasture
Well if you secondary stat was first and your first stat was secondary than if you secondary stat is you're firsts secondary than your first secondary stat would be your first first's secondary stat of being first.
simple
frank river
brainlag
fast nacelle
dude
obsidian ruin
@fast nacelle compared to your other rings that haste ring is pretty bad so..
fast nacelle
it brings haste to first priority
i could try to find other combinations
of haste being higher than crit
also i dont think the 355 with socket is that bad
for assa st :c
fast nacelle
hm let me check smth
hm
i mean its 0.3 below haste
if you get the crit array it goes even more up
wanton wagon
Longer duration on the subterfuge garrote, same reason you do it in the opener
exotic glen
right, you add the pandemic duration
safe matrix
"Why do you double garrote with Shrouded Suffocation in the opener?
-Because you want to maximise uptime of the buffed garrote, and if you refresh garrote early you add pandemic time making garrote 23.4s long compared to the normal 18 seconds."
-from the FAQ in the pins
wanton wagon
If you can, you can do garrote - envenom - garrote on your second vanish, for an extra second of garrote
Say you vanish with 2 cp, garrote for 5, envenom, garrote. No waste of CP either
grave elk
what is the type of sim i do for simming m+
wanton wagon
I do 6 target patchwerk 40 seconds, no bl, no raid buffs
pallid bluff
best option is 4-6 target 40 sec patchwerk no lust
put whatever buffs you would have in your m+ group
wanton wagon
Yeah, if you have set group, go with those buffs. I don't so I don't add any buffs
glass tusk
@safe matrix , @wanton wagon makes sence now thanks
wanton wagon
@glass tusk Glad to be of help 😃
void narwhal
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
wanton wagon
You probably sim it, @gray citrus
gray citrus
ty
wanton wagon
But I'm still running subterfuge because it feels nice, so who am i to talk lol
pastel wasp
glass tusk
does feint works against raid wide damage ot taloc or mother when you crossing the room or zekvoz ?
im using it bot cant see any difference
but*
safe matrix
!tips
prisma monolithBOT
Uldir tips and tricks: http://www.ravenholdt.net/uldir-tips-tricks/
glass tusk
ok, just gonna check the logs next time to be sure
civic palm
Fucking... Mother Defense Grid seems to not give a shit about feign > _>
glass tusk
troll for assa
strange python
Sup guys.
glass tusk
but the difference is next to none
ornate mantle
so it doesnt really matter the race?
safe matrix
ornate mantle
tyvm @glass tusk
glass tusk
np
ornate mantle
also @safe matrix
ornate mantle
i guess ill go blood elf then so i can have it look better
spiral cave
Does anyone know the proc rate on Harlan's dice?
glass sphinx
garrote bug still a thing?
safe matrix
yep
glass sphinx
mkay ty
broken fiber
grats dude 🙂
quiet spruce
ty ty
2nd phase, i have the most damage by far, wtf, the burst from assa must be insane
3.23 M and no one else reached 2.91
glass tusk
@quiet spruce can i see your sim?
daring imp
mythic @quiet spruce ?
sharp pond
Anyone here using master poisoner over blindside?
I’m not asking about optimal dps more so your comfort in not having that free cp from blindside proc or the execute phase
plain thistle
who is using blinside is the real question
real quarry
I use master poisoner and its comfortable
sharp pond
I was 👀, but I’m curious because since I still have so much mastery, why even bother
real quarry
Ive never really tried blindside tho
sharp pond
That makes me feel a bit better about trying it for some reason, thanks
Always felt like the extra cp and execute phase was too valuable
real quarry
Its definitely a good talent imo
sharp pond
Kinda just don’t wanna blindly follow the guide
So I’ve been curious about the other choices
real quarry
Yea i get that
exotic glen
the extra cp and execute phase was too valuable