might just sim my char a bunch
#assassination
harsh glacier
mental fiber
@harsh glacier check the pinned message about ss
hollow stone
Simming ss is tough too as the default apl prioritizes not wasting cps over using a 3rd ss emp garr
vague schooner
Would you drop to a 340 SS, over a 385 of ruinous bolt for m+
If it would make SS a 2 stack
hollow stone
Probably. I drop my 385 tailwinds and 370 sb for 340 and 355 ss
vague schooner
Hmm I'll give it a go, test it out
spice frost
I drop 370 laser matrix for 355 ss, that’s about it.
verbal dock
Worth dropping any 370 for 340 ss, in m+.
lime panther
Triple ss is still by far the best m+ regardless of ilvl drop
spice frost
Not saying it’s better cause I haven’t tested, but I wear 370 archive over 340 ss in m+. Still 2 ss though.
Archive maintains stacks in between pulls pretty well
hollow stone
I do the same @spice frost but i only do 9+ keys. That may matter
lime panther
The higher the key the better, lower then 10s idk shit doesn't live long enough
dense marsh
guys a quick question please which race is better for rouge troll orc or blood elf?
final stone
BE master race
harsh glacier
belf apparently
hollow stone
I did feelycraft after the ss nerf. Did 8 m9-10s and the combo im running performed the best from a % overall dmg perspective running with the same group
harsh glacier
Hero Damage doesnt show SS as #1 though guys? the tcupdates thing says its updated
hollow stone
Race doesnt really matter but if youre looking to absolutely minmax, pretty sure troll is best
ruby idol
I'd argue the higher the key the worse ss gets @lime panther
hollow stone
Theres definitely a sweet spot for ss @ruby idol @lime panther
dense marsh
ok i thought it might be orc or blood elf
ruby idol
Even tyrannical week you hit packs where you get your garrotes off, they tick down, and then theres another 30 seconds of the fight
Each one of those seconds ss loses value
lime panther
I mean the higher u go u get more vanish uptimes on trash so idk it's hard to determine tbh
hollow stone
Its a different play style no doubt
lime panther
In a good group I'm typically 13.5-16k overall
hollow stone
Ss you want to push hard on trash, no ss would be hard st. and generally speaking, you make up more time on trash than you do on bosses running "aoe sin"
lime panther
In 10s
hollow stone
Which is usually gonna put you at top for overall dmg
lime panther
But I run ex CT religiously 😂
hollow stone
Hell yea
ruby idol
Ya I'm talking 14-16s is where trash starts to feel more rupture/ct reliant than ss garrotes carrying. Tho it's still bis trait, I can just feel it start to lose a bit if value
mystic glade
do you use any special wa or addon to keep track of multidotting
mystic glade
u just watch the nameplates? i just get confused trying to keep track of the rups and garrotes and stuff in big packs ^^
deft sparrow
you only need 3 ruptures in big packs
opaque grotto
Says who?
deft sparrow
in M+ 3 ruptures should be sufficient to keep energy up
if targets live long enough, more is fine 2
opaque grotto
Pretty sure you want to put rupture on any target that will live long enough.
faint sleet
But rupture is more dmg/cp than envenom is @deft sparrow
deft sparrow
yes 😃 that's why i said, if they live long enough 😉
opaque grotto
You can tab out like 3 cp ruptures and it will still be good
Okay then don’t say “just put out 3 ruptures” because that’s not the case at all.
deft sparrow
my bad
opaque grotto
People will misunderstand, just like there was some idiot in here saying “SS is trash” earlier
deft sparrow
anyway. he asked if it's possible to track it by WA
as far as i know, it's not. correct me when i'm wrong
opaque grotto
You might be able to see how many you have out with a WA, but I’m not sure how that would help
You’d still have to see which targets are NOT dotted, so what does the WA do for you
mystic glade
so you guys just watch nameplates? finding it ''hard'' since im not used to it when having garrotes and rups and everything
just have afenar wa atm
opaque grotto
Well what would you like the WA to do?
grizzled trail
if i use two pieces of gear that have reorigination array on them does it double the stacks? or is there no additional benefit?
deft sparrow
well.. i just tab switch quite often between targets.. if they are not dotted, i dot them
mystic glade
might have give in and change from standard nameplates then 😃
opaque grotto
Yeah, idk how a weakaura would help you
But there are some good nameplate addons that will stack the nameplates and show dots pretty large
mystic glade
was thinking something like if i have 3 rups up, i can see duarion on each of them. but wouldnt help me since i wouldnt be able to tell directly from the wa wich rupture is on who
deft sparrow
that's not possible @mystic glade
opaque grotto
Yeah exactly, it can tell you the number of ruptures but it doesn’t tell you which one is on what target
So it seems pretty useless
lime panther
U get that info from the nameplates
opaque grotto
And what yamsa said
mystic glade
Thanks everyone 😃
deft sparrow
correction: it's not possible via WA. as the others say: it might be possible via nameplates
damn it, just got back from 16 day holiday (non WOW playing) and now i'm so confused with the nerfs etc
lime panther
U can have your WA show only when on selected target , so if your targeting something without bleeds you'll know.. but it's far better to use nameplates in a dungeon setting
It's rogue dots or rogue bleeds , but I have mine customized
gleaming kelp
is there anyone with the opener with MA / TB ?
lime panther
Pins?
mystic glade
Wich one would u reccomend of the name plate addons if im allowed to ask in this channel : )
lime panther
I use elvui nameplates and I don't recommend it 😂 I'll be changing them soon
dark token
Kui nameplates has good defaults for rogue imo
deft sparrow
so Double Dose over SS now ?
vapid oracle
i use plater and love it but its personal preference and definately depends on how much effort you put into customization
spiral furnace
i use blizzard standard and its working fine
vapid oracle
UI is totally preferential use whatever you like the best
lucid bolt
what are some must have addons u guys think? im using hero rotation instead of weak auras
exotic glen
for the spec or game as a whole?
lucid bolt
i guess the game as a whole
i mean nothing obvious like DBM
but do u guys have any hidden gems to share?
spiral furnace
AzeriteTooltip
lucid bolt
what does that do?
spice surge
Only WA (or anything similar) and Bigwigs/dbm is must have imo
Everything else is fluff
nocturne mulch
how is herorotation different from weakauras?
lucid bolt
yeah true i just learned of pawn recently i really like it, anything that helps me think less i love
herorotation is just a super simplified version of WA
its for people with sub 80 iq
which is perfect because im like high 60s
spiral furnace
WA doesnt require IQ to import some strings and use them lol
lucid bolt
the flashy lights and effects confuse me
i am a simple boy i see button with number i press that button
warm kettle
hey what you guy s using as sources for the most up to date pvp guide
tulip wedge
@nocturne mulch herorotation gives suggestions on what keys to press next in rotation, weakaura lets you display cooldowns/buffs/other conditions in whatever way you want
you can make a rotationhelper IN weakaura if you want
strange python
If you end up at 5cp with toxic blade ready, do you tb->envenom or envenom->tb? I'm guessing the former but just looking for confirmation
tulip wedge
envenom tb
strange python
Why?
tulip wedge
dont waste CP
strange python
dont you think 30% extra damage to envenom is worth more than 1 cp?
oblique fox
It's a whole wasted global
tulip wedge
you can run a sim of it if you want but no, it's not
daring imp
back to exsang after being a tb heretic for a whole week
lone junco
That should be on the way back up
lucid bolt
if i have 4 combo points should i do envenom or do tb to get 5 CP and than envenom?
daring imp
damn
lone junco
It's a good thing I think.
daring imp
it is a good thing, tho i'll probably switch my crit enchant in a few ç_ç'
u know what fuck that, not gonna spend 5k
strange python
Tb and env
lucid bolt
thx steck
daring imp
@lucid bolt i'd do tb and env, tho don't be holding TB for when you have only like 2 cps, use it right away and fit 1~2 envenoms 4+cp inside it easy peezy
daring imp
do you use weakauras?
lucid bolt
aight when i get home this evening ill try to remember to check it out can u dm it to me?
thank you!
daring imp
done
daring imp
just a regular cp bar but the colors on it makes it easy enough to know how many you got without checking it all the time neither eyeballing all the time
tulip wedge
i switched to just used a giant # showing 0-5 ala mizerok, love it
tulip wedge
Whats opener like for MA?
feral sedge
anyone got time to look at a heroic log? i'm parsing in the green and grey and think I have a lot of work to do
tulip wedge
link
daring imp
@feral sedge something tells me you're not using sb with high enough stacks
avg cast was 4k? wth o_o
feral sedge
sb?
tulip wedge
to start your opener is wrong, put dots up then vendetta. have you read the guide?
daring imp
oh, was looking parse by parse, mb
feral sedge
10.5 wrong row
yeah, I goofed my opener pretty bad on taloc I think, I read and fixed it
strange python
on the fetid you have one vendetta and 5 toxic blade in 3min+ fight
feral sedge
prepot, gar > rup > rup > ven > tb > envenom
tulip wedge
no
tulip wedge
ye
lucid bolt
can u guys do me to?
tulip wedge
still didnt do that on vec
feral sedge
i'll try it with current gear and find out
tulip wedge
what are you cheapshotting on fetid?
feral sedge
also vanishing... do I vanish > gar after the first gar drops (SS)? if so, do you hold Ven until vanish is back up?
hollow stone
@tulip wedge ma opener is the "non ss opener" on rh. It is g m r m vend tb van env m env
tulip wedge
but he has ss
hollow stone
I was answering your question prior to his
tulip wedge
ah thx
feral sedge
guide says to stack vanish and vend but the timing is off if you use it on 2nd garrote
tulip wedge
you use first vanish when garrote < 5.4s
feral sedge
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
feral sedge
ok so buffed garrote is fine for overwrite
tulip wedge
in pandemic window
feral sedge
just not the 3rd one etc
tulip wedge
ye
tulip wedge
@hollow stone we have to bother timing vanish with dots or does everything get buffed via MA
lucid bolt
can anyone give me advice on my dps? im thurgadin
hollow stone
Ma is dynamic
hollow stone
During your ma window, your pre existing dots will have 50% more crit too
tulip wedge
meaning i just use it on CD (high CP high enegy)
feral sedge
So vanish and vend on same 2m CD, but going to be like 20s apart or so after the first vanish. Hold Vend for that or not?
tulip wedge
hold
feral sedge
running subterfuge atm
tulip wedge
ok, MA should be cake to transition to then not much change
feral sedge
is that wrong with SS?
tulip wedge
no thats right i was asking a different question earlier
feral sedge
ok
tulip wedge
about MA
hollow stone
If you played sin in legion, ma is legion sin w/o kb
daring imp
for example on vectis you're not garroting/rupturing the add much are you
feral sedge
@tulip wedge cheapshot was probably a fat finger
somehow...
cause Subterfuge keeps up my stealth bar and I was trying to use envenom? idk why but thats been messing me up
if I'm doing stealth moves right it shouldn't tho
daring imp
well two things hurt your parses a lot, 1 --> low ilvl, and 2 --> kill speeds
daring imp
one thing for you to notice is that your fetid devourer kill was decent
60'ish is still fine, given you could've improved the dots uptime a bit by not switching to the add ( not sure if the strat you had was zerg boss or not )
daring imp
well there you go, even with bleeds ticking on boss, you can see autoattacks are one of our top dmg too
it goes for up to 1/4ish of our dmg ( 'cuz of instant poisons too )
hollow stone
Gotta max cheese on fetid: have group pop all cds except lust and yours on pull, push to 50% super quick, pop lust and your cds then, ???, 100 parse
Dont actually listen to me
daring imp
lul
feral sedge
seems that for raiding I should be really going for max haste and dumping crit
daring imp
i'd be simming stat weights
daring imp
i had haste below agi for a week, switched back to exsang with 1x SS only and BAM
feral sedge
so exsang is going to play a lil different than TB where you're using it on CD or mostly the same?
hollow stone
Quite different tbh
daring imp
well some say if you have galecaller's boon it's worth it to delay exs to use it within GCD's effect 'cuz of bleed snapshot
but ideally you wanna sync every vanish/vendetta and exs
it's more complicated
way more syncing shit to get the hang of
feral sedge
right, high dmg dots ticking faster
feral sedge
idk someone said sin is the easy spec... i found outlaw easy tbh, but this is more fun imo
hollow stone
Yea. To minmax xsang, you really need to know your timings and be planning at least 5 seconds, ideally 10 seconds, ahead
hollow stone
Outlaw is the easiest to play for sure. The reason people say sin is easier is because it's slower giving you more time to think about your next ability
pulsar goblet
Sin is easiest pure st imo
hollow stone
Yea, this is obviously opinion based, i find outlaw the easiest for everything, personally
daring imp
outlaw snek is easiest fo'shure
feral sedge
its fun in pvp, i dont have to think about rotation
just whats going on
massive pressure
hollow stone
Snek makes me sick. Too much rerolling for my liking. I run ds and ace for outlaw; again, this is preference
Sorry, im leading this convo off track. Carry on with sin stuff
feral sedge
ace gives you 2 short CDs to track and makes it a little more heady to play... I still switched to Sin for the challenge
tropic pike
quick navigation on my mh and oh is good right?
feral sedge
I know they DR when they stack like that but idk if its best to do
i run deadly/quick, but I do M+ also
tropic pike
yeah i love M+ :)
hollow stone
Check pins. You want 2 diff stats for weap chants
hollow stone
It does not. Tho technically your oh (for unknown reasons) has a slightly faster aa speed so, prob better to have better on in oh
But idk and if it makes a difference it is a tiny difference
tropic pike
cool
feral sedge
glad this community is so helpful, thanks for the feedback
hollow stone
Thats another reason sin is the "easiest". The community is bomb a/f
Myself included.. pats back
sweet flame
opener different with MA? Couldn't find anything about it in the pins
exotic glen
its not in the pins because its in the guide
sweet flame
where is it at in the guide?
exotic glen
under rotation
jaunty dagger
but the guide is in the pins 🤔
exotic glen
thats true
sweet flame
The guide says nothing about MA? all four openers only mention TB/Exsang with andwithout SS
and given the talents only mentioning Subterfuge, my assumption is that guide simply doesn't account for MA
exotic glen
well then make an assumption as to why it doesnt say anything about the rotation chaging
wheat vigil
Idk why people think sin is the easiest. Outlaw is mindless as long as you have a reroll/keep wa
glass vessel
i use gar->mut->rup->mut (1/2 depending on crits)-> vendetta->tb->env->van-> mut/env spam
cerulean walrus
glass vessel
might be completely wrong but i see 30k in raids
sweet flame
Like you even need a weakaura for outlaw
cursive cloak
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/A7CmGYJthNRajwyT#fight=23 guys can you tell me where I am fuckin up?! ignore mother and taloc and mother, shit happened
mother and taloc and mother.. fck
cerulean walrus
@cursive cloak Hmmmm... ignore it?
wheat vigil
Went back to beat on her again?
exotic glen
should try playing MA instead of subterfuge when having no SS
wheat vigil
ma sims about .5% higher for me with 0 ss
glass vessel
it sims really close for me either way, i prefer MA with no SS tho
cerulean walrus
Currently for me the difference in DPS without SS still running Subt against MA is negligible
glass vessel
just go w/ your preference
cursive cloak
I have completely diff traits now, that was the day after they nerfed sharpened blades into ablivion also
glass vessel
but subt without SS feels weird lol
feral sedge
@daring imp w/ 1 ss exsang sims 0.1% higher than TB
glass vessel
and TB is so much more straightforward, most people will play better with TB
wheat vigil
I would consider any two that sim that closely to be whatever you prefer since one crit will swing the number
feral sedge
yeah im not consistent with the spec to add more complexity to it yet
ripe dock
@sweet flame For MA my API goes: garrote, mut to 4-5, rupture, vendetta, vanish, tb, mut, envenom, ect. On second vanish and thereafter it weaves vendetta vanish into normal rotation. That is, if you have 4-5 cp it envenom mut envenom, with 0 CP it mut envenom muts. Does not hold TB for vanish, use on CD.
sweet flame
TB has been higher than exsang even with 1 SS for me for quite some time
strange python
with 3 ss exsang is barely better for me
wheat vigil
Didn’t they put massive dr on stacking ss?
tribal marlin
rip sharpened blade
sonic spindle
!wa
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mystic glade
would master poisoner be better to run for someone that is new to assa then elaborate? feel like i cant get another env while elaborate is active
hollow stone
Im gonna have to have this copied for a while it seems: ma opener is the "non ss opener" on rh. It is g m r m vend tb van env m env
wheat vigil
@mystic glade probably. Whatever one you’re best at usually wins out
round harbor
No
cerulean walrus
If you don't run with EP you'll never learn how to have EP upkeep
glass vessel
i would just learn EP tbh
sit on a training dummy for 10mins and you'll be good to go
ripe dock
I don't know how API handles envenom clips if at all, don't know much about that stuff in general really, but I would recommend going with EP if only to practice
mystic glade
guessing the point with it is to get env in during the 4 sec window?
cerulean walrus
The goal is to keep it up 100% of the time
glass vessel
no the goal is to have maximum uptime
cerulean walrus
Or as close to it as possible
glass vessel
use env/rupture to do that. after that it's really just passive % increase for everything else
ripe dock
If you can, envenom with 0.1 sec remaining, so you buff envenom without losing to much EP uptime
Something that might get you used to pooling is to pool before your rupture refreshes, until rupture is going to run out or you are going to energy cap(do not energy cap) then you will find you can usually get the next one or two envenoms after that to clip EP buff
mystic glade
better get practising then o.o and also if i may ask opener in guide is to use TB just before the env but under the QnA is says '' tb on cooldown, really? Yes, on cooldown.'' does that mean that if i got 5cp when tb comes up, i do finisher then tb then mut? not waiting with the tb until 3/4 cp and use it right before env
or is it just literally 100% on cooldown no matter situation
cerulean walrus
Pop it when it comes up
Because even if you're overcapping you'll get a TB empowered Env
cursive cloak
Is there somewhere i can read up on an MA opener ?
cerulean walrus
Its literally legion sin rogue without Kingsbane
mystic glade
okay thanks 😃
hollow stone
ma opener is the "non ss opener" on rh. It is g m r m vend tb van env m env
I knew copy pasta'ing this would pay off
cerulean walrus
lol @hollow stone
cursive cloak
thanks @hollow stone you da real mvp
sonic spindle
Hero rotation APL shows g m r ven TB van m env m env
Am I just dumb?
Well, I am, but am I doing it wrong and dumb
hollow stone
No, the apl is because it worries about "over capping" cp
sonic spindle
But not on TB? cuz it’ll show me a TB at full CPs over an envenom.
My gut tell me to envenom cuz it feels dirty to not use a finisher on 5 points.
hollow stone
Right. Tb dmg is shit now so getting the buff up rather than waiting a couple gcds is better
Which is why i m before vend
sonic spindle
Ok, just want to make sure I’m not relying too much on the APL
hollow stone
"Worst case" you get 2cp into vend tb for 3-4cp. Then van env m env
Usually one of your mut hits or the tb crits giving you 4cp for that first ma emp env and then your ma emp m "should" give 3-4 and give another env
In your window. And if really lucky you get he big dirty env m env m env in your tb and spike hard on pull
sonic spindle
Yea, crits have been treating me good, I actually enjoy MA more than I thought I would tbh
quick fog
The env m env is only ever out of stealth right?
quick fog
Just making sure. Was going for 4-5 env x2 during normal TB
hollow stone
Its just cause youre counting on the 2 env crits in ma/tb/vend window
Which is big dmg
Yea. That is what you do for your tb outside of ma window
quick fog
I luckily just got a SS 370 piece so I'm gonna switch back to that.
quick fog
I usually run with a warrior so I let him crush the boss and I just fuck up the trash.
hollow stone
It's not shit. Its just not bis st trait
lone junco
@hazy pebble SS is fine. Chart is just using ma.
hazy pebble
@quick fog why not the other way around! :p
lone junco
It requires subterfuge.
daring imp
fml i got 380/375 outlul weps
cerulean walrus
Then get em when they least expect it! Blindside OP
lone junco
I keep up with our warrior for m+ overall with 3ss. Seems fine.
daring imp
and 365/360 daggers
cerulean walrus
Blindside confirmed execute killer
quick fog
I've been maining outlaw and only our warrior and DH usually beat me in ST. Sometimes the Sub, but I prefer Sin so I'm trying to get back to it. Need to get weapons again.
cerulean walrus
Wait you have a DH beating you in ST? I thought they were stronger in AoE
cerulean walrus
Ah alrighty
quick fog
Its Uldir so it's all cleave. Lol
cerulean walrus
I suppose? I mean Taloc, MOTHER, Fetid, Vectis, and Mythrax are pretty much ST with an add phase
hazy pebble
I dont get why they nerf rogues like a mad dog and leave DH alone
cerulean walrus
If you really think about it
quick fog
Dh actually got buffed
Demon's Bite got buffed along with some talents which I think they already used
hollow stone
Hero classes gonna hero
opaque grotto
I mean rogues are still sick so the complaints aren’t really necessary
cerulean walrus
TFW they've never made a ranged hero class
hollow stone
Warlock is a hero class, lets be honest
hazy pebble
i hope they make a intellect tank class
cerulean walrus
Granted I guess DH counts as ranged since they can close the gap in half a second
hazy pebble
with cloth
opaque grotto
They could have made survival the 3rd DH spec lul
cerulean walrus
Omegalul
nimble tartan
i cant believe i still play a melee class in 2018
opaque grotto
I have a mage alt for some of the cancer fights
nimble tartan
why cant we all learn that ranged is just god tier in wow...
stoic bolt
which stats affect exsanguinate damage the most?
rancid seal
I see a lot of top rogues still using fathoms, is it still bis even though it doesn't sim that high for rogue overall?
nimble tartan
ye but in prog u only see like 3-4 melee in hardest bossies
nimble tartan
ye
cerulean walrus
Fathoms sims very high wtf? Its better than most trinkets until 370ilvl
nimble tartan
thats all i care about me no dmg hoe
opaque grotto
@rancid seal yea what dude, fathoms sims great
He probably sees it way down on the list and doesn’t understand how the graph works
Feelsbadman
nimble tartan
i cant wait to replace fathoms
rancid seal
am I misinterpreting it then?
nimble tartan
a true beta trinket
cerulean walrus
Hey dude, dropping anchors on people is the best trinket idea ever
daring imp
^
opaque grotto
Hover your mouse over the little bar next to fathoms
It tells you the % dps increase you get from it
Now compare that number to other trinkets at that ilvl
Or even 370/385 trinkets
keen hound
Also, compare it to other trinkets based on the ilv required to outperform fathoms
nimble tartan
i finally replaced fathoms for m+ though its lit
keen hound
Yes, other trinks show higher on the charts, but only at ridiculously high ilvs.
nimble tartan
how is it a 180 im saying i dont use it in m+ my guy
cerulean walrus
Unless that sentencing was completely screwed in which case it still makes sense
inner pulsar
Hey guys, is SS still terrible?
keen hound
It was never terrible
inner pulsar
I don't know if this will ever get old
lone junco
@nimble tartan same. Shoulda just gone warlock back in 2017 like @zealous dew said.
opaque grotto
WtF SS SUCKS NOW?
nimble tartan
im figuring out what ranged is gonna be fotm
because playing rogue still is wrong imo
lone junco
Arcane
unreal coyote
inner pulsar
Elemental Shaman
lone junco
Rogue doesn't even get battlerez.
inner pulsar
JK HAHA
nimble tartan
imagine playing scuffed dh
lone junco
Shame
inner pulsar
Triage Rogue will have Battle Rez
opaque grotto
Honestly just take a monk for the debuff and run like 14 BM hunters
inner pulsar
It will be called "Get the eff up"
opaque grotto
And a warrior for the attack power
inner pulsar
But it will be a melee range brez, where you kick the downed player
nimble tartan
i wonder if the next raid gonna have no use for rogues utility like this tier
cerulean walrus
Rogue Brez will be "Shoulda Feinted Bruh"
inner pulsar
How about "Do u even Cloak?"
opaque grotto
Cheat death is just worthless
cerulean walrus
"Evasion Dude?"
inner pulsar
Alright, lets not get get carried away, Cheat Death is not worthless
nimble tartan
its p shit
like it was good on what like m kj prog to eat a big annihilation without dying with feint
cerulean walrus
Cheat death has saved my ass many a time when I tunnel vision to be fair
nimble tartan
but now its like just something to saveur ass
inner pulsar
yeah, exactly, which I bet it does more than once a raid for most folks
opaque grotto
I’ve died through cheat death so many times
inner pulsar
That doesnt make it worthless.
opaque grotto
Yea bruh it doesn’t even save you half the time
nimble tartan
im just comparing whats even good about being a rogue in uldir
opaque grotto
Elusiveness is too good though
nimble tartan
to me a rogue is just another good dps class, but if you were to be optimal and in an optimal raid comp you'd just have no rogues
opaque grotto
Sub has useful niches though like on Zul though
nimble tartan
well ye
opaque grotto
But I’ll be playing my mage on prog more than my rogue I think
nimble tartan
sub is just needed on that fight to make it a 3 minute encounter
earnest rampart
w +
nimble tartan
otherwise it becomes a real fight
inner pulsar
That arguement could be made about nearlly all melee, beyond bringing 1 of a few classes
opaque grotto
Also my guild is like 50% melee so it’s some serious cancer sometimes
nimble tartan
yeah alot of melee this is true im saying rogue doesnt provide anything useful other than damage
not special
no good execute
no raid debuff
opaque grotto
Blindside is DOPE bruh what are you smoking YO
nimble tartan
haha
opaque grotto
Ez execute
silver egret
blindside belongs in r/therewasanattempt
opaque grotto
Didn’t assa have a legendary that gave you execute dmg?
nimble tartan
when is blindisde even gonna be good ever
opaque grotto
Idk I didn’t play rogue last xpacw
opaque grotto
Make that a talent
nimble tartan
we are just gonna go back to using master poisoner
opaque grotto
Easy game
cerulean walrus
Just bring back legion sin rogue
I still have Kingsbane on my action bar to pay homage
silver egret
melee doing a lot of dmg doesnt make them great for uldir lol
nimble tartan
silver im not talking about damage, i already said melee do good damage obviously, but people are min maxing and only bringing 3-4 melee on the actualhard bosses in uldir
and guess what those few slots are hard locked with dh/monk/war
inner pulsar
@nimble tartan Alright, I can get behind that statement
gray schooner
people always ranged>melee for the most part. until the kills are smooth. the dps>all. always been the pattern
vale flume
Survivoral hunter over BM there? Outlaw over sub and sin?
inner pulsar
You can throw frost DK in there too, all I ever see people recruiting for these days are Frost DK and Lock
nimble tartan
im just saying that rogues usual mainstay of usefulness to raids when it came to cheesing mechanics and whatnot is gone already
south geode
How well does the darkmoon deck of fathoms work with assassination?
nimble tartan
literally if rouges damage starts suckin and the next raid is just like this rogues gonna get feral treatment is all im sayin
cerulean walrus
Extremely @south geode
south geode
ah alright!
gray schooner
we still have a great kit imo to other melee. but i see what youre saying compared to past raids. as long as other classes cant do it. im good lol
fathoms doesnt sim correct. its more like 3-5% of your total damage. which is crazy
safe relic
inner pulsar
I guess we are saying the same thing, I attribute the problem to not wanting to bring melee at all, you are saying that because there are so few melee spots, rogue is on the outside.
safe relic
btw anyone knows why my SS sims better than archive of the titans ?
inner pulsar
Is the ivl the same on the two pieces?
nimble tartan
do u have another uldir trait on another piece
inner pulsar
Show me the sim
safe relic
yes
inner pulsar
Ok, well that is the answer
safe relic
ah
inner pulsar
Credit to @nimble tartan for getting there first
safe relic
😛
inner pulsar
No, there is no reason to ignore the sim
safe relic
but the titans buff is good
subtle imp
SS is really good for dungeons too
inner pulsar
Particulary since you are already running 1xSS, so it won't require a change in rotation or talents
safe relic
yes
inner pulsar
Ok, your name is clearly inaccurate, because you have had enough meth, it is rotting your brain
safe relic
i know it is for dungeons but im running raids more..
inner pulsar
SS is mathematically superior to Archive for you and your gear
jaunty dagger
SS sims better because it is better
sturdy flume
Quick Question: M Zek'Voz, to burst boss down with orb and BL in P2, Exsanguinate probably > TB, right?
jaunty dagger
what's even the question here
inner pulsar
Is the buff good, yes, but SS is better, for you
inner pulsar
@sturdy flume Yes, if the question is "In a vacuum, is Exasang better for burst than TB", but there are a lot of variables there
safe relic
depends the haste u have ii think ? 😮
inner pulsar
And the traits you have
safe relic
y
sturdy flume
i was especially thinking about the 30 sec window, so 2x TB vs 1x Exsanguinate, but you're probably right. I'm running around with gearsets for both, usually tb is like 1-200 dps ahead
inner pulsar
I mean, in reality, if you the question is "What is best for bursting down adds" the answer is "Not Sin"
sturdy flume
welp, also true 😄
safe relic
btw @inner pulsar in my opening rotation after the typical Gar/rap/Gar im going on for vendetta rap exsa u think is good or im wasting my vendetta ?
forgot 1 mutilate after vendetta !
inner pulsar
What you posted is correct
Vendetta right after you come off of Subterfuge, then Mutilate into a full 5CP Rupture, then Exsang
inner pulsar
Correct
safe relic
good
inner pulsar
You would not want to overwrite a buffed Garrote or Rupture
safe relic
ye
hollow cave
I feel like DH has more mobility and burst than I do, am I doing something wrong?
safe relic
meh TB sims more than exsang to me now 😛
inner pulsar
@hollow cave No, that is how the class is designed
hollow cave
@daring imp don't have to care about performance when you live on instaqueues 
inner pulsar
Thats like saying "I think BM Hunters have more pets than I do"
daring imp
we missed a +12 timer for like 10s
hollow cave
Do I just ignore DH, lol
inner pulsar
Yes
hollow cave
Gotcha
inner pulsar
Or reroll
daring imp
and the motherfucker dared to blame me when i clearly said THE ENTIRE FUCKING DUNGEON to not chainpull and he did anyway
fml
inner pulsar
It was a dumb question, thought it was fitting
daring imp
on 3 or 4 trash packs on an entire atal dazar i had the ss bonus
EVERYTHING ELSE NOTHING
inner pulsar
Ok, I could have used "I feel like warrior execute is better than blindside, am I doing something wrong?" and it would have been functionally the same
inner pulsar
Yeah, that is the DH wheelhouse
hollow cave
Okay
lol
Man, I might as well of asked why Junkrat has more AoE to my rogue
That's totally a comparable example
lol
daring imp
almost all dh skills do aoe/cleave dmg
amber arrow
does anyone know how much haste is required for an extra tick of garrote
blazing mortar
@inner pulsar I've played my alt rogue as sub since leveling. Interested in Assassination. Is there a better one for m+ in your opinion or should I sim my gear and decide based on that?
lofty sand
Its literally their thing, DH are aoe burst and good mobility
of course they are going to be better than you
daring imp
2/(1+haste/100) = tick rate, 18/tick rate = numbah of ticks, enjoy math @amber arrow
amber arrow
haste rating or % @daring imp
daring imp
%
inner pulsar
@blazing mortar I think the general consensus is that Assassin will do well oh higher m+ difficulties because the mobs live long enough for dots to work. In lower difficulties, Outlaw outshines both other specs in my opinion
I would say @daring imp probably does more M+ than I do, I don't know if he has anything to add
primal gazelle
sin>outlaw>sub in popularity in m+ according to raiderio
lofty sand
Literally just aswering your question mate.
daring imp
i played with a few decent outlaws on a few 9's and 10's, but pugging usually has either me or a frost mage/dh on top overall dmg
don't get me wrong, depends on the size of the pull, i have a stupid hard time beating any dh on trash packs over 4~5 mobs
hollow cave
That's fine, I'm just talking about the guy being an asshat about it
blazing mortar
@daring imp @inner pulsar cool. Thank you.
hollow cave
lol
daring imp
if they live too long, i overtake him, if out group bursts too fast, i just can't catch up
hollow stone
The nice thing about outlaw is that you are consistent on trash. Sin is too unless your tank is a dick @daring imp
daring imp
@hollow stone YES
FUCK DK TANKS
THOSE STUPID HURRY-ASSING TANKS DON'T LET ME RESTEALTH EVER
I LITERALLY GET ATLEAST 2~3K MORE OVERALL DMG BY RESTEALTHING AND THEY DON'T CARE ANYWAY
hollow stone
They are the worst
visual token
Tfw waiting actually increases speed
hollow stone
So are the tanks that are like "i know, i play with rogues" and then do it anyway....
daring imp
to be fair i think those two quel'thalas and ragnaros tanks didn't know english
or they did and just ignored the heck out of me
hollow stone
I cant comment on that without sounding racey... no comment
daring imp
i mean they didn't talk for the entire dungeon
i whispered
spammed
everything
not one response back
even when we ended the key they were mute
unless they were already ignored and i didn't bother to check tho ...
weak socket
@amber arrow I know your question is from earlier, about haste. But they made it so that there are partial ticks in the game, so that there wouldn't be haste breakpoints anymore for dot classes to receive extra ticks... whatever you have left over will be your tick damage... To make that clear, if your dot ticks every 3 seconds, and you have 2 seconds remaining on the dot since it last ticked, when it falls off it will tick for 2/3rds of the normal damage.
hidden oasis
boys should i use 1 archive and 1 SS or 2 SS in uldir
daring imp
are your SS's high ilvl
hidden oasis
well
nope
1 is 340
the other one has
archive and SS
3rd one is pretty high but shit azerite
daring imp
avoid 340's SS like the plague for raiding if possible
unless a high piece
i say that and i actually came back to 1x ss on raiding because of pvp 355 chest lul
amber arrow
ty @weak socket
inner pulsar
I'm still running 2 340s, and one of them is Tidal Surge.....
weak socket
Np man. I only just learned about it's existence today when researching a different class for a guildy.
nova nest
is the meta 2x archive 1x(something else) for raiding
just looking at hero damage default filter
ebon prism
Do I mut for cp on 2 targets or shuriken storm (or whatever it's called for sin)? If I have combo pnts on pull for M+ trash, do I prioritize rupture on all targets first or use tempest?
daring imp
good luck getting those two double dose at high ilvl lol
@ebon prism Fan of Knives on 3 targets or more
weak socket
@ebon prism apl uses FoK's at 2+ targets but in reality it basically doesn't matter. Very marginal difference at 2 targets
ebon prism
So little diff between mut and fok for 2 targets?
ebon prism
Ty!
weak socket
Also idk about your combo points question. Do you mean instead of getting an extra SS garrote off, instead using CP on CT or rupture?
And then using CP from the other 2 SS garrotes
?
inner pulsar
Yeah, I wish folks would worry less about the current BiS traits, based on the fact that they are incredibly hard to target to get, and if you look at the actual rankings, plenty of people doing well with all kinds of trait make ups
weak socket
I just wish they'd sim the situation instead of asking because I can't tell them what will be better with just the information of two different traits...
daring imp
@weak socket i don't get it @_@"
i know for sure that now that i have the 355 SS chest, the normal fetid will drop his chest to me
not the heroic tho
inner pulsar
Haha
weak socket
Hey. I got the normal fetid chest this week!
Got myself 10 Sanguicwhatevers off H Fetid last night
stable rover
even with fetid chest 370 raidbot tells me to go Archive and Master Assassin/TB
inner pulsar
Well it is just kind of funny "Hey guys, is 1x Archive + 2xSS best?"
"Yeah"
"Ok, well I have Battlefield Precision, Tidal Surge, and Posioned Wire, but I was just wondering"
weak socket
LOL
daring imp
@stable rover do you have any other uldir traits on any other piece aside from chest?
stable rover
355 laser head and 355 archive spaulders
daring imp
and it still tells you to pick archive on the 370 chest?
stable rover
y
daring imp
rip SS lul
zealous dew
@lone junco I even did a better thing than playing lock, I just stopped playing 😃
hidden oasis
i got a 340 SS and 370 Chest that has SS and Archive
i guess in uldir archive is better
my shoulders are 385 but they have shit trait
inner pulsar
@stable rover Can you show us the sim?
weak socket
I thought you could only get Reorig array from 1 piece, and that when you simmed multiple pieces each piece added it, which is a fault in the sims. Am I sick in the head?
lone junco
@zealous dew winner winner chicken dinner.
zealous dew
😄
inner pulsar
@weak socket I hadn't heard that the sim was doing that
zealous dew
Vegas style
daring imp
@weak socket well you get the array from 1 piece only, the subsequent uldir ones do not increase array stacks
hence why i asked if he had another uldir pieces to activate array and put other slightly better traits instead
clever raven
No but archive after the buff actually stacks pretty well
lone junco
@zealous dew I have 1.6M$ worth of contract between now and June. I should prob do the same.
zealous dew
best decision ever
delicate gull
when would you guys say MA + TB is better than EXSG and Subterfuge?
inner pulsar
@delicate gull When it sims higher
daring imp
depends on traits, stats, trinkets
weak socket
When it sims >0.5% better
daring imp
thousands of parameters
delicate gull
besides if it sims higher, cuz thats not how this works in this raid
inner pulsar
@delicate gull Definitely how it works
delicate gull
like would subterfuge be basically better in any situation with adds or am i thinking of it differently
daring imp
why not on increased damage taken by boss phases too
clever raven
I ended up dropping all my SS traits for Tidal Surge and going TB/MA after the SS nerf it’s been performing better for me
sand whale
it's better with ss, but yeah probs not with subterfuge with no ss traits
daring imp
sorry, i assumed you'd only pick subterfuge with ss's X_X"
delicate gull
yeah same, i have 1 with subterfuge, or i can go double archive + twist and MA+TB for 70dps? idk
inner pulsar
Well, it is possible for Subt to be higher without SS, mine is close
stable rover
daring imp
but MA is so cool :X
inner pulsar
@stable rover Why are you simming with no buffs?
clever raven
The double archive is going to outperform with more targets, you’re getting that much more agility to buff all of your abilities rather than having an empowered garrote multiple targets
delicate gull
good point
stable rover
@inner pulsar https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wGNvCTb4yLqickku1kstKg here you go with buffs :p
hollow stone
Double archive is suboptimal in bis gear but may be your bis depending on what youve got
delicate gull
haste still your guys best stats for those using MA+TB?
hollow stone
We're talking st raid
daring imp
@clever raven not sure i get what you meant
hollow stone
H c m for me when running ma tb
But the values were pretty close overall
So ilvl; for the most part. Gotta sim yourself to be sure tho
daring imp
will 240ish agi make up for the bonus dmg on garrote?
hollow stone
Everyone's weights are different, just like irl
clever raven
Probably considering the fact that the agi is going to buff literally everything in your kit
daring imp
i know, letterz, but SS was broken on multi target, and is still king for a reason @_@"
that's what i meant
inner pulsar
@stable rover Gotta say, that is an interesting outcome. The agi gain from archive just edges out SS at that ilvl I guess
daring imp
that's assuming you get a decent window to take advantage of ss's garrote spreading on other targets
lone junco
Are the m+ numbers up on herodamage?
clever raven
And depending on how long the stuff is actually alive for Archive to reach max stacks
inner pulsar
@daring imp Well, in his case @stable rover 's gear says 240 agi from Archive does indeed outweigh 1 SS trait
daring imp
@inner pulsar oh sorry what i meant was for @clever raven haha
@clever raven you're talking m+ or raiding?
clever raven
Raid
inner pulsar
@daring imp I know, but your question was poignant, because that is exactly what was showing in @stable rover 's sim
clever raven
Thought that’s what we were talking about anyway
daring imp
yeah i was a bit unsure when you said how long stuff is alive
clever raven
Cus someone mentioned M+
daring imp
well as long as you are 100s in combat you'll be full stacks on archive for the entire fight, no?
hollow stone
In raid, archive should outperform ss
daring imp
^
clever raven
Yes
daring imp
i might be a shitty case then, the only piece i've ever gotten from uldir was mythrax head with shitty laser
inner pulsar
@daring imp Same
daring imp
and this laser has fucked up so many m+ of mine already
clever raven
I’m currently rocking a laser matrix
delicate gull
i gave away the ghuun chest, maybe mistake
daring imp
accidentally forgetting to switch fuck my life do i agro mobs so far away without any reason at all
inner pulsar
The Zul shoulders are where its at yo
clever raven
Ya those are still hiding from me
inner pulsar
He and Mother eat all my coins....
clever raven
Yup
inner pulsar
It is nice that the shoulders and a wep drop from him, or nice in theory I guess
vestal abyss
You ALWAYS want to cast TB as soon as it comes off cd right? Only delay when Vendetta is about to come off cd
clever raven
Line up with vendetta but you don’t want to hold it for too long
clever raven
Pool energy before it comes off CD and fit as many envenom into it as possible
stable rover
y
clever raven
Cus envenom is bugged by TB
vestal abyss
Yeah so if you have no energy when it comes up you planned it wrong
inner pulsar
@vestal abyss Right
clever raven
The energy pooling isn’t as big a deal when you’re going to sync it with vendetta
vestal abyss
Yeah but TB is 25 sec cd so youll use it without vendetta 5 times
is it 25 sec cd?
i honestly dont know
clever raven
Yes
vestal abyss
i wonder if thats worth it
daring imp
no idea
clever raven
No
Cus that means over the course of an average raid fight you’re going to lose 1 usage of it
vestal abyss
True
clever raven
Never hold something to the point that you miss a usage
brisk flicker
So many yellow and cyan colored names around these parts
inner pulsar
It wont change mine
vestal abyss
Does that mean anything?
clever raven
I play all the specs
brisk flicker
LOL I’m jk. I changed to red yesterday from yellow. Feels good
daring imp
i only play sin now but red is ugly 🐢
lone junco
I was red, when it was totally not cool
brisk flicker
Your icon is the epitome of assassination bleeds
vestal abyss
I like yellow
primal gazelle
i didnt even know color were assigned to specs lmao
daring imp
i still remember the good ol' week 1 and week 2 days agroing a thousand trash with boss as sub on m0 for the st dmg
brisk flicker
Cyan - Subtlety
Red - Assassination
Yellow - Outlaw
@primal gazelle
clever raven
Was all practice for Zul
daring imp
ayyy
vestal abyss
Is it possible to completely avoid having to refresh bleeds during TB?
brisk flicker
You can change them by going to the botspam room and typing ? followed by your spec choice
inner pulsar
@vestal abyss Barely
clever raven
You can refresh early to avoid that
vestal abyss
Should i want to?
inner pulsar
Yes, because your bleeds don't benefit from TB
vestal abyss
hmmm
Should I want to refresh bleeds before the pandemic window kicks in to avoid having to refresh them during TB
clever raven
Cus if you’re playing TB you’re likely not using SS traits so refreshing garrote early isn’t a huge deal
inner pulsar
Well, you would still need to Garrote
daring imp
tho you can also time it to have tb buffed by ep
inner pulsar
But a fully pandemic Rupture is what, 32 seconds?
lone junco
@daring imp gonna do my last 2 timewalks tonight. and bask in the glory of the SS Soul Capacitor
brisk flicker
Same
lone junco
belligerent dps.
daring imp
oy i remember that trinket
lone junco
sephuz. 4p20. ss. soul cap.
daring imp
oh fuck
clever raven
Refreshing rupture early and losing seconds on the pandemic versus not doing that and losing seconds of bleeds ticking cus they fell off during your TB window
inner pulsar
Real talk though, when are they going to start selling Void elf unlock in the ingame shop, cause this AR rep grind is lame
daring imp
melee attacks counting dots and stuff? or only directly melee stuff?
vestal abyss
Yeah so far ive just been refreshing rupture during TB window
i think i found something to improve upon
sweet
lone junco
try critting more during MA
daring imp
@inner pulsar i hope they remove the requirements in a few years lul
i'd racechange 😦
they losin' big monies
daring imp
i agree, i hate farming rep
inner pulsar
I'd give them $40 right now
spiral snow
off topic: can you cloak omega vector damage on Vectis?
daring imp
ever since i stopped with bdo i hate stupid grind like that
inner pulsar
No, but you can cloak to avoid the dot at the end
daring imp
i think cloaking omega vector makes you not take the damage but you still have the debuff tho, no?
inner pulsar
vestal abyss
Im gonna formulate my intuition behind the rotation
prime stirrup
cant get rid of stacks in vectis
daring imp
yea stacks will get you with or without cloak
prime stirrup
cloak only prevents the dot applied by omega vector
daring imp
wait it bounces off when you cloak?
daring imp
oh
vestal abyss
Okay so a full pandemic windowed rupture is 31.4 seconds yes?
prime stirrup
if you cloak before it hits you it will stop the application of the DoT so you dont get assraped from the dmg. it will not prevent omega vector from going off, or it applying the stack
vestal abyss
TB is 25 seconds, the buff is 6, which is 31 seconds
lone junco
pandemic depends on the first aplication
spiral snow
if you cloak to avoid the dot at the end, does it drop to another person or just disappear on you?
clever raven
Cloak prevents omega vector from damaging you while it’s on you it prevents the stack at the end
vestal abyss
Im gonna wait with my thoughts till the who vectis discussion is over
clever raven
And it still jumps
spiral snow
ah, I see, tyvm
prime stirrup
omega vector always will spread aint shit to do about it. your group should have a strat in place to even out distribution
clever raven
daring imp
ohhh
inner pulsar
Yeah
vestal abyss
Okay about this rupture thing
daring imp
2 of them cycled between taunting boss off when debuff on the guy w/o debuff was with boss' debuff
easiest run of vectis in my life
inner pulsar
@vestal abyss I can almost guarantee you are overthinking this at this point, but go ahead
inner pulsar
WIth 5CP, 4 CP is 5 sec
daring imp
neither what the 31s means
vestal abyss
Oh its 9 seconds
daring imp
well anyway the cd is 25s regardless of the buff duration
vestal abyss
I am definitely overthinking this but:
TB is 25 seconds
4 cp pandemic rupture is 26 seconds
daring imp
nice
daring imp
llul
vestal abyss
So if you apply rupture at 4 cp every time you never have to refresh rupture during TB
daring imp
jitz, given you NEVER delay the delay itself between rupture/tb and never delay tb, maybe
but good luck getting 4 cps everytime
inner pulsar
So the best case scenario would be 5CP Rupture, then a lucky 4CP Mutilate > TB >Envenom
vestal abyss
the thing is that if the duration is the same you dont have to refresh it just before TB
you can refresh it at any time
daring imp
or just bank 4+ cps and energy to refresh rup before popping tb
inner pulsar
Exactly
daring imp
so tb>mut>env would be with ep
inner pulsar
Which is what you would want to do each time
vestal abyss
Yeah okay so if I do that, do I refresh rupture before TB regardless of the remaining duration?
daring imp
i would not if you want to do this kind of minmax
clever raven
I’d only refresh it IF it’s gonna fall off during the TB window
daring imp
if your rupture has like 12s left or so just do the tb combo
vestal abyss
Yeah so if rupture is <11
vestal abyss
right because you still have to build the cp after TB window to refresh rupture
so maybe even 13
daring imp
12s would give you an energy bank of approximately ~200 energy
if you have energy beforehand to pop stuff it would be more
vestal abyss
Which you attempt to empty out during your TB window right
daring imp
yeah
tho you don't want to have even 1s w/o rupture
so check the last envenom before popping it
clever raven
But honestly I don’t think this far into it when I’m playing, I function off my reptilian brain and have mad reflexes
vestal abyss
I think its good to have into the back of your mind
inner pulsar
Pretty much, you gotta fuck up real bad to not get 2 in there
vestal abyss
Yeah but you gotta do real good to get 3 in there if youre lucky
daring imp
probably only doable if with vendetta popped within tb or lust
doing 3 i mean
or mut 4cp in a row for the lulz
inner pulsar
Ha, I was told I'm a failboat for not getting 3 in there, "its ez bro"
daring imp
it's too rare to get 4cp
and probably doing 3cp isn't worth the cost inside tb
so you spend atleast 140ish energy per envenom
inner pulsar
So yeah, if the best case requires some luck, and the worst case is hard to find yourself in (just 1 envenom in TB), I go back to my "you're overthinking it"
daring imp
the 1st one you can cast when you pop tb if you had cps in bank beforehand
inner pulsar
But I get wanting tho think it out
daring imp
the other two only with some sick energy regen
vestal abyss
Well yeah, but before this conversation i just refreshed rupture during TB window and getting only 1 in so its nice to think it fully through and know what to do
clever raven
I fit 3 by having 4 CP banked TB into Envenom
daring imp
all the time tho?
clever raven
Yes
daring imp
also not delaying tb?
inner pulsar
I do find myself wasting the CP generated by TB, because I find myself with 5 CP and <4 seconds left on TB cooldown, so I just pool into the TB so as not to delay
daring imp
it's much more than "just prep time" @_@
tropic heron
hey guys im trialing for a new guild and they want to see at least 1 orange parse during my trial period
any tips to cheese out a good looking parse?
daring imp
ignore adds focus boss
inner pulsar
@tropic heron Look for a new guild?
daring imp
only switch for adds if they're on top of the boss
vestal abyss
ignore mechanics
tropic heron
which boss would be easiest to cheese on with assassination?
daring imp
if they scream at you say you dc'ed from discord or something
vestal abyss
feint it and clos it
strange python
mother
inner pulsar
No no, they are encouraging bad play, you should find a new guild to trial
strange python
be in the last group
inner pulsar
Because thats a dumb ass request in my opinion
strange python
vectis is great for logs too
sullen pagoda
@tropic heron ghuun hc is pretty easy orange or it must be a mythic boss?
daring imp
ghuun hc not that easy to orange overall
inner pulsar
@tropic heron Whats your ilvl?
clever tartan
Normal
sullen pagoda
yeah
inner pulsar
Lawl
vestal abyss
subtlety
inner pulsar
@sullen pagoda Whatever except Outlaw is just Sub and Sin, and why would you play Sub on Taloc?
clever raven
When mythic first dropped sub was better
sullen pagoda
my sub is pretty decent on taloc when i dont die on laser cuz im 50 iq
daring imp
lul
clever raven
Cus blade in the shadows hadn’t been buried yet
inner pulsar
@subtle kiln Because it isn't as good as Sin?