for ST atleast. i will use low level SS chest for m+
#assassination
mellow pasture
compact bolt
I use 2x 340 and a 355 for 3xSS in m+ compared to all 370s for raid
mellow pasture
ok ok
what about aoe fights in raid
like Zek
i will sim but
will it sim SS correctly?
compact bolt
gritty verge
Its worth going Crimson Tempest for lower keys right?
mellow pasture
i have been using it for mythic Zek it seems to help
but i'm not use to using it a whole lot so i forget about it
scenic saddle
Guys https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cpmAohCnPiQnmR8Lu7srRb Dread gladiator sims more than 340 galcalleer, is that tru?
glacial steppe
damn, this azerite system is insane
full vigil
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lunar tangle
hey guys quick question lets say for example your running exsang and you were at a single target fight boss and you already finished your opener do you use it on cool down after that or whats the situation of using exsang on a prolonged st fight?
lone junco
@gritty verge Yes. Ct for lower keys. If the tank is pulling more and more shit, it's going to continue to be better.
@lunar tangle do you have GC trinket?
lone junco
If it sims your highest. Then use it. But. The cooldown sync can be seen in the sample sequence.
It will use them all together around the 2:20 mark.
strange python
if you sim with archive or laser traits on aoe, does it count in reorigination array, if so is there a way you can disable that?
lone junco
You can go to additional options and turn off the array stacks.
lunar tangle
@lone junco sample sequence ? didnt get that
void pecan
on your quick sim page, on the right is a link, says "full html report"
or something like that.
a ways down on that next page is action priority list
then under that is Sample Sequence Table
ebon garden
340 First mate's spyglass or fathoms in dungeons?
vale scroll
proper igloo
what are good pvp traits
twin zealot
anybody that can link t22 logs?
strange python
eternal wave
!stats
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Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > mastery > vers >= haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.
strange python
Does anyone have a moment's pity and can look at a log of me? I despair and don't know what it is :(
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/gLGxrb3kaYNfBP27#fight=last&type=summary
civic locust
is mfd viable for m+?
river crater
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strange python
@strange python Ur opener is wrong
@strange python For 7 minutes, you popped Gale only 4 times, toxic blade only 9 times
safe wraith
If you're running subterfuge you want to refresh garrote right before the buff expires
but that sortof fits into the whole opener thing as well
strange python
Yeah you vanish to refresh garrote when its 5.4 seconds or less
ahh okay i understand ... the opener was bullshit i have the voids first so i must go away .. but the other things help me a lot i think
deep solstice
Has there been any math done to see at what energy regen Deeper strat starts out performing Vigor?
granite berry
Do you want one archive AND one laser matrix, or just one of them?
strange python
Sim yourself
deep solstice
You only get reorigination stacks from one of them, so the second one will depend on your sim.
jaunty dagger
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
strong sundial
Need help :)
2x ss (340) or 1x ss (340) and 1x archive (370) for m+?
strong sundial
only have two and simming ss is broken
deep solstice
But anecdotally, depends on how strong your group's aoe is. the 370 will perform better single target, but the 2x SS will buff your aoe more if targets are living
strong sundial
but 2x ss for more damage overall?
hushed wagon
hey for m+, running 3xss... what is optimal opener vs bosses
running exsang and cvrimson temp
hushed wagon
cant trust the guide
strange python
well what can I say 🤷
calm grail
Read the guide
round harbor
if you cant trust the guide why would you trust some random person in here?
yeah what u wanna do is cast g g g g g g mut rup mut mut mut mut tricks mut mut mut enveom
sprint
strange python
Sprint is very important in the opener
void pecan
can't forget vanish and shadowstep knife throw
cerulean walrus
raven bloom
Raidbots, simming your charcter, when i do a quick sim, is that only your character and his buffs alone no external like hero arcane int, warrior atk pwr, no food, flask ?
safe matrix
The standard sim assumes all optimal raid buffs
So hero, pots, flasks, runes, and raid buffs like warrior shout
safe matrix
As rawr said, you can turn these off individually or together
ocean oyster
Should i always delay vendetta until i have vanish?
inland knot
herodamage and bloodmallet bugged ? SS second last ??
raven bloom
yeah i just didnt see the button so i didnt know
plain thistle
@inland knot read #tc-updates
glacial steppe
someone elese having problems with energy since few days ir so
royal lantern
put poisons on your weapons
snow oasis
CT or PB for M+ and does it switch at higher levels?
still hare
Guys, anyone knows why we are stacking mastery for high mythic + ?
royal lantern
hard part in m+ is the add fights, and you do more dmg with multi dotting
and mastery make multi dots stronger
still hare
I'll give it a shoot
kindred cedar
Perhaps a stupid question - but you can stack archive of the titans azerite traits?
royal lantern
yeha, but only the agility part stacks, and its not THAT effective
icy iris
How do you set your sim settings for m+?
royal lantern
yeha, for azerite traits its pretty much the highest ivll is the best right now
kindred cedar
ah okey lol
civic palm
... no :3
white igloo
Array is a check for whether or not you have a raid trait on and you’re in raid
icy iris
lul where tf is SS on bloodmallet?
civic palm
Down where it belongs.
late plinth
is the opener with SS from ravenholdt the optimal opener????
void pecan
2nd from the bottom I think
civic palm
You might have to reload it, or click between stacks/etc. to get it to load.
It can be weird.
broken fiber
Down where it belongs?
civic palm
WHERE IT BELONGS
icy iris
its pretty stupid
xD
it was fun while it lasted, i had 385, 340, 370 triple SS
23k ticks from crits
glacial steppe
M+ is still 3x SS right?
civic palm
or some combo of 2xSS and something else.
glacial steppe
Maybe its just me because im kinda unlucky but i feel kinda uncomfortable atm especially in m+
broken fiber
He prob plays with DH's.. they're pretty intimidating
glacial steppe
strong opener on bosses but im dropping to 10/11k at the end which is probably because im only 364 while my group is 370+. Bigger pulls are weird bcs my damage is all over the place
I can do 30k or 10k
glacial steppe
exs
icy iris
save it for vanish and ven
u wanna line up ur cds together
rest is pooling and keep dots up
glacial steppe
do i refresh a stealth garotte or do i let it run out like with exsan
strange python
IF u dont have SS
late plinth
any1 got a good opener with SS? im 369 and not sure if im doing right or wrong
broken fiber
Hey guys i was doing mythic vectis with my UI hidden and i found it hard to manage my dots, any tips?
icy iris
why hide ur ui? xd
strange python
You can overwrite an empowered garrote with an empowered garrote that has 5,4 sec or less left
If no SS
icy iris
i was talking like he had ss
strange python
well then u never overwrite empowered garrote if u have SS
icy iris
nevah
late plinth
shouldmy opener be garrote muti rup vendetta exsang then normal rotation OR garrote rupture garrote vendeta muti ruptre esxsang normal rotation?
late plinth
got 2 ss
glacial steppe
ok, what about aoe pulls? as i said my damage is all over the place cause sometimes im so energy starved but sitting on 2 CP after 2 FoK
late plinth
and 1 archive
icy iris
i do gar rup gar muti rup ven trinkets/racials exsan
refresh garrote when it runs out and rup aswell
late plinth
im parcing between 80-95 with 369 ilvl and 2 x 355 daggers
never been thinking about if i've been doign wrong opener or not
why wait for rupture to run out and not just avoiding pandemic?
lavish frost
Garrote > Garote > Rup > Mut Exng > Vednetta > Env
broken fiber
Heroic parses 
late plinth
hold on a minute
what exactly does exsang do?
im pretty sure i've done wrong since it came
late plinth
so it dosent just remove time from the dots and make dmg?
lavish frost
no
late plinth
OMFG
lavish frost
just do its dmg faster
craggy helm
16 sec rupture does the same total dmg in 8 sec
icy iris
lmao
late plinth
how the fuck can i have played wrong with exsang for all these years
lavish frost
if you have played with exng for years you already did a mistake there 😛
icy iris
hhahaha
late plinth
not years but like when it was good
xd
i mean everytime it was good i've been using it wrong seems like
craggy helm
Did you never ...read it?
hazy sphinx
man
icy iris
basically makes your bleeds do double dmg
hazy sphinx
i got a harlans dice 370 and its still simming over my fathoms
that just sounds hard to beleive.
craggy helm
That's misleading. They don't do double dmg
pastel wasp
G R G M R exsang is the opener isn’t it?
hazy sphinx
then hit em with 2 envens
charred oar
2envens? 😮
hazy sphinx
envenoms
charred oar
so you gain max benefit from the duration or what
icy iris
@craggy helm 1/2 of the duration but still 100% dmg
hazy sphinx
its your burst.
late plinth
from my understanding exsang was something liek this, takes away half the duration and does that damage
charred oar
aight
charred oar
so what would your typical burst rotation look like
charred oar
MfD > Enven again?
hazy sphinx
open up with cheap shot
garrote
kidney for the internal bleed
mut mut tb envenom mfd envenom
and vendetta according to ur energy needs
craggy helm
??? You're stacking cheapshot and KS. Diminished returns ugh
pastel wasp
Iron wire op too
charred oar
thats what i usually do
hazy sphinx
subterfduge?
pastel wasp
Longer silence
pastel wasp
Oh
charred oar
internal bleeding all the way
hazy sphinx
im talking bout his burst rotation
charred oar
yeah youre making sense zid please continue and ignore these apes
broken fiber
Is this the new pvp channel
charred oar
😄
hazy sphinx
cmon son no need to call someone an ape
charred oar
im jokingggg
charred oar
no sense of humor anymore :>
craggy helm
I don't use the cheap shot - GRG vendetta, PB, KS, mut mut env
charred oar
cheapshot is good vs melee's tho
hazy sphinx
you want to force trinkets out
hazy sphinx
shit guess what
charred oar
vs casters there are maybe scenario's where you dont
proven ice
@thin ingot GGs
pastel wasp
Fathoms is dirt cheap now too
hazy sphinx
i have it.
just been wanting to replace it. Been farming non stop 10 freeholds
Finally get it and its a downgrade.
i had crimson tempest on
pastel wasp
Isn’t DMF bis until 380 trinkets
proven ice
I mean the trinket fro mtaloc
pastel wasp
They really need to buff Uldir trinkets
rough sable
@pastel wasp why would it be cheap all of a sudden?
charred oar
sweet gear
hazy sphinx
dude im parsing over 90 in everything.
charred oar
im still running with 340 355 370 azerite pieces >_<
pastel wasp
@rough sable not all of a sudden. Just it’s been out for ages
hazy sphinx
im very sure im simmin much higer as outlaw right now
rough sable
@pastel wasp gotcha. It’s hovering about 60k on my server atm.
pastel wasp
Yea mines similar
hazy sphinx
Me? Hell yeah
pastel wasp
Interesting
hazy sphinx
It doesnt last that long, got lots of places to drop it.
daring imp
melee dmg is still like top #1~3 so it's nice @_@"
daring imp
lul
broken fiber
sin rogue break down looks so brain dead lol
hazy sphinx
break down?
broken fiber
garrote rupture melee
daring imp
you mean dot tracking/cd syncing/griefing over tank moving boss on pb/galecaller boon?
hazy sphinx
It's a very forgiving spec.
daring imp
w/o exsang garrote isn't at the top anymore
hazy sphinx
top as in top overall?
hazy sphinx
Why would I care about that, I just want to be a orange rogue.
broken fiber
haven't played with tb yet
hazy sphinx
As long as Im parsing over 90%, I'm happy.
I can't compete with other classes in taloc sometimes, gotta move out the mechanic.
But I'm still parsing at 95% on m taloc. Be good at your class, screw the rest.
dry badge
question, when shuld you use exang and when to use the toxic blade?
broken fiber
yes
hazy sphinx
l;iterally, the same thing.
first off, you shouldnt be using blindside.
its not that good in comparison to the other 2.
elaborate is the best atm.
All good.
@pastel wasp its a dps loss actually for me. 0.4%
pastel wasp
Tb?
hazy sphinx
yeah ,look up i posted a pic.
pastel wasp
So no more bleeds?
hazy sphinx
If you dont envenom twice with it, u fucking up
And sometimes that ain't feasable.
Exsang you just bleed em out and reapply, much easier.
placid elbow
so how are you using Exsanguinate ?
hazy sphinx
On opener
placid elbow
If Exsanguinate comes off CD, and you still got 15 seconds on Rupture
hazy sphinx
with empowered garrote and rupture
broken fiber
Just get mutilate crits when tb is up youll be right
hazy sphinx
If there's movement coming
I just reapply and exsang
Sometimes I just wait for the pandemics to come up
Exsang doesnt need to be on CD to be correctly used
You make sure you getting 20-25 seconds bleeds with it
so, dots that you refreshed during pandemic
if i get 370 shoudlers with archive this week, i'll be able to keep SS
But I know ill be doing more dmg with archive once i hit +5
dry badge
Shuld I swap away from SS and over to Archive?
dry badge
True that 😃
fading spade
i still run one stack of SS in raid mainly because the item doesnt have another good trait. its either SS or Tradewinds
still hoping to get shoulders at some point lol
exotic abyss
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iqGutNsobTHGuFcrCQF48h/simc
APL says it's opener is galecallers first then garrote mut rupt vend vanish tb and so on=O
Never thought on using gc at start
exotic abyss
tru
hazy sphinx
Chechex you must have really insane weapons
exotic abyss
why?
hazy sphinx
I'm 6 ilvl over you and sim less than you
exotic abyss
oh
hazy sphinx
my stat weights say that weapons dps is 11.03
That's how bad I need an upgrade. But tonight... mythic mother rewards me for my parses.
mellow pasture
dang that galecaller is nice
exotic abyss
ima try APL opener
fading spade
thats what im hoping. if my guild can down her tonight i might get that dagger 😄
mellow pasture
thats cuz he simmed double dose not SS
SS sims doesn't take potential of the full potential of SS
fading spade
how does one find this APL opener
hazy sphinx
im lookin at blood mallet and hero damage
mellow pasture
hero damage did it right
hazy sphinx
and both tell me that the harlans trinket is better than darkmoon if its 370
mellow pasture
for Exsang spec
hazy sphinx
but its simming me lower
mellow pasture
check out the pins they say why
void pecan
@fading spade there's an option to look at full HTML report on the right in quick sim, then a ways down action priority list, then sample sequence table down in that.
fading spade
ahh tysm
fading spade
holy... shit....
so i just tried that APL opener
no flasks or pots and burst was 31k
wut
peak saffron
it does. you have to look at overall
pastel wasp
hmm
i think with the +5 this week ill be going double archive trait
no more SS
😦
rough sable
The stacks don’t work in m+ only the raid.
You are talking about Reorigination array stacks right?
rough sable
Oh. Ok then
placid elbow
I always thought it was a waste to use Boon the same time as Vendetta... because you're capping Energy with Vendetta anyway.
dunno, just IMO lol
dark token
its not about the energy -_-
mellow pasture
???
strange python
gotcha
hazy sphinx
I pop galecallers with vendetta
placid elbow
ooo thought this was regarding Exsang
strange python
if a weapon has a high dps and ilv, but no good secondary stats, would you use it?
so if I have a 355 with haste and crit, which are best stats for me but get a 365 with vers and crit, which are not best, should I use it?
void pecan
@strange python most likely but what he said
hazy sphinx
Derev
void pecan
strange python
just asking for general since I'm in a sots and it has deep fathoms
hazy sphinx
its stat weight is like 10 +
strange python
so was wondering if it was worth at all
void pecan
weapon dmg > all other stats
strange python
using a mother 355 on oh, and this is a m8 so it would be an upgrade
hazy sphinx
Yep
mellow pasture
even if i get something 5 ilvls higher with the worst stats
strange python
ty
placid elbow
I don't want to get rid of SS 😦
mellow pasture
never
strange python
I've been avoiding some dungeons because of the secondary stats even if it's a higher upgrade
so that's good to know
mellow pasture
SS is best though
dusk sun
can CT be viable for zul
mellow pasture
for Exsang build
hazy sphinx
You should be ignoring dungeons based on the amount of pain it brings to your life.
mellow pasture
ofc
placid elbow
yeaa, i don't use Exsang lol
dusk sun
basically avoid kings rest
hazy sphinx
For example, kings rest this week.
dusk sun
at all costs
dusk sun
we dont need anything from kings rest 😊
hazy sphinx
Sold a 10 this week, and I think I spent the gold on repairs.
mellow pasture
lines up so well
placid elbow
SS just feels smooth in general
pastel wasp
@hazy sphinx did u macro gale with anything
strange python
how much do you make for selling a 10?
pastel wasp
i see
hazy sphinx
we sold it for 80k, so 20k each
it was a joke though, we didnt spend 20k on repairs
just felt like it.
mellow pasture
xD
teal glen
lol on my server 10 are sold for >300k
hazy sphinx
that was a friends discount
teal glen
I c
hazy sphinx
180k is our going rate.
For a timed 10.
We also knew we couldnt time the king rest
hazy sphinx
Its very hard to raise your IO in malganis
hazy sphinx
on the mythic bosses ive cleared, im ranking 17-18 on my server.
craggy helm
What does your realm have to do with it? The group finder is region wide
lean coral
most groups selling for less than a token
hazy sphinx
No, they are not.
edgy trellis
I'm selling for free
hazy sphinx
There you go.
lean coral
well on zuljin they are
hazy sphinx
They are selling for over 100k everywhere else then.
teal glen
A token with a single +10 boost?
hazy sphinx
Yep.
teal glen
How token is 175k ish on EU
hazy sphinx
103k on us
nova gazelle
Ooooooor u join a guild and problem solved ^^
void pecan
implying your guild can do 10's in time.
hazy sphinx
^
nova gazelle
Ofc
placid elbow
orrr you just PUG a +10
lean coral
my guild has good raiders but god awful m+ people
void pecan
^^^
edgy trellis
why would people paying for a m+10 need it to be timed
void pecan
same.
lean coral
i hit 1k io today so finding groups isnt an issue
nova gazelle
PUG +10 BTW! Haha
placid elbow
My IO is like 634 or something now, it was 400-490 on friday
hazy sphinx
^
cunning bobcat
I'm still a little confused about SS vs Archive? I'm still simming higher with SS, whats the go to?
mellow pasture
idek about io i just do my weekly 10
lean coral
only 2 pieces of loot if you fail it
mellow pasture
with guildies
hazy sphinx
2 chested a 10 freehold no more than an hour ago
rough sable
My guild doesn’t have enough tanks interested in m+ 😭
mellow pasture
😦
teal glen
Freehold more like freeloot
hazy sphinx
What a quality joke.
mellow pasture
i wish i could make lots of gold lol
hazy sphinx
Not really that hard anymore, as a rogue, you are simply needed.
We are a requirred class to push keys with.
nova gazelle
Opening cells in tol’dagor
rough sable
Fortified isn’t that bad. It’s only really bad when it’s fortified bursting or something where you get ph ished for cleave/aoe
hazy sphinx
go look under that, and tell me what the rest of the planet is doing
nova gazelle
Slavery class for m+
hazy sphinx
This dude. Rest of the world shows 1 more.
rough sable
AD is the only dungeon you could potentially not take a rogue with to makes times tho.
hazy sphinx
Gonna go raid. Later all.
royal forge
So since Bloodmallet isnt actually showing me which would be better.
rough sable
Later zid
royal forge
Poisoned wire or Collective will?
exotic abyss
gc snapshots garrote and rupture rite? so im supposed to let them expire then reapply rite? not sure if APL is doing that
teal glen
You could push AD with even a shaman 
royal forge
10 seconds of 253 agil vs 2k crit on first muti after Garrote
rough sable
@teal glen that hurts, I played shaman before swapping to rogue lol
mellow pasture
you saved yourself tho
teal glen
I'm sorry for shamans too, it's a nice class too bad blizzard doesn't seem to like it
broken fiber
That warlock gate skipping the trash getting to vol'kaal saved them 3 mins
fading hearth
so, should we stack 3 shroud or just go for the raid traits
rough sable
Assume they died to the pack on the way back through? And then just run to yazma?
broken fiber
Btw, did a paladin make the mythic tier for rogue?
grim blade
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mellow pasture
raid traits i think are higher in raids but otherwise the highest ilvl wins
like for ST i have a 370 double dose for ST outside raid, 370 laser matrix for inside raid, and 355 SS for AoE outside raid
the other two traits i think i'll stick with SS otherwise aoe outside raid i'll go 3 SS
onyx falcon
i feel like its not possible, but can you make a distract macro that distracts at X targets location?
mellow pasture
na but you could bind it to mouse over like grapple hook i bet
now that i think of it i should find that macro
onyx falcon
yea i have it on mouseover
just curious if its possible
make my life esier on a skip
obsidian ruin
/cast [@cursor] distract
mellow pasture
you would have to rename it for each differently named mob if you did
mellow pasture
maybe 😮
onyx falcon
i dont think its possible though
mellow pasture
possibly
just mouse over and do it geez xD
mind it to a mouse button
like side scroll wheel click
onyx falcon
yea its on a mouseover atm
broken fiber
I dont think 2 min cds get reset do they
rough flax
how many targets does it take to actually spam crimson tempest for the initial dmg
clear panther
!wa
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fading spade
thats stupid.
glacial locust
355 laser matrix + 355 SS or 355 aott + 340 SS for uldir?
west frost
Sim
glacial locust
raidbots has Armory communication failure atm for me :/
sick monolith
is there a reason why hero damage doesnt include fathoms on their trinket bench marks.
obsidian ruin
it does (?)
scroll down a bit, its listed ~ at the bottom bcuz the highest itemlevel versions of most trinkets at some point outperfom it
cedar kelp
does anyone use mizerok's WA
wispy elbow
Is Crimson Tempest worth picking up for AoE for M+?
strange python
Yes
mossy wasp
do you guys prefer gutripper or unstable flames? both are simming the same for me or should i use one of each instead of stacking
fast nacelle
wtb 3 gutripper for ghuun mythic
iron pelican
idk why but gutripper just feels good
velvet magnet
is it worth holding vendetta til the 100% dmg buff on Ghuun , like not using it at all during p2?
heroic that is
solar bramble
do you lose a usage of vendetta throughout the fight? if not then certainly. if you do, then that's a question for others (my guess is no if you lose one)
but the 100% dmg buff might also be accompanied with lust. in which case holding it would get a substantialy stronger vendetta. and likely better to hold. . . . . . bah, circumstantial stuff
tribal marlin
well sub rogue here, what I can say is that I pop Shadow blade on pull (3mn cd) and it is up to the p2 100% burst (in hc).
so you may not have to delay vendetta for more than 1mn
copper flame
has shroud bug been fixed?
broken fiber
no
meager basalt
hey guys, im new to rogues/pvp, i was hoping someone could give me some insight on a decent stat weight for haste/mast/crit/vers like i have no idea how much i should have in each for pvp
sin rogue btw
also, right now im at 20% crit, 15% haste, 45% mast, and 6% vers
hallow fog
Does haste increase bleed/poison tick rate?
cunning needle
yes
since bfa it doesd
and @meager basalt check out
https://thelootdistrict.com/pvpstats/?rating=2600&bracket=all&faction=all®ion=all&showme=talents
but afaik haste is love haste is life
meager basalt
hey thanks man this is great
placid elbow
So, what is the verdict on Doom's Wake?
why is it simming high? or is it that good? lol
harsh glacier
Is haste best stat for m+?
I know it's not great for aoe, just not sure what to prioritise in m+
zealous lily
I need some advice on massassin talent. It’s summing a little better than subterfuge for me ST right now
harsh glacier
Thanks, I'll try it out
cunning needle
is what ive been told
frigid sleet
haste is the worst stat by far for m+, just stack mastery & crit
lone junco
@harsh glacier I have 20% and like 23 in Raid. It's not my top stat anymore. But it my gear swaps don't increase dps.
That's st raid sorry.
zealous lily
@lone junco I remember you posting some stuff on a massassin opener and some other things. do you remember when you talked about it?
lone junco
What was the q
This was in a dm so someone. Else.
Master assassin and tb is a working build right now. Can have a few different trait combos.
Exang is subterfuge and 1archive 2ss pretty much. With ideal stats and trinkets.
zealous lily
right now just making it up I open single target with Mut-rupture-mut-garrote-vendetta-tb-vanish-envenom-mut-envenom
lone junco
Opener depends on 1ss. Or sharp knife.
zealous lily
i was wondering if it's better to mut envenom mut rupture
the sim sez don't use 1 ss
i guess i should also try simming 2 ss 1 archive exsang
also
lone junco
Earlier today was a guy with 1ss and using mark.
zealous lily
i'll post gear compare
lone junco
So the whole shit show is all over the place.
But playing ma tb.
Just read your apl output. If you don't like it, then adjust.
zealous lily
my chest piece is bad (champion welfare piece and pvp piece) so not many options there
lone junco
Mut rupture mut (garrote) vanish tb env mut
zealous lily
it's putting exsang like 1%+ lower but for some situations i really like it
lone junco
Idk.
zealous lily
alright that works
lone junco
1% Lower than ma tb?
lone junco
My 2ss exang is my bis.
zealous lily
it's prob just because my trait setup is silly
I have a 385 head SS and 355 chest SS
my only archive is 370 shoulders
zealous lily
yeah my 2 head pieces are 385 double dose and 385 SS / coastalbolt or whatever it is
because my spyglass and the galecaller are within 1 dps of eachother i've just been using the spy
a better galecaller would pull ahead most likely
lone junco
Just take that top sim and rerun it at 100k so you can read the HTML.
proven pumice
Right now for me 1 archive, 1 SS, and 1 DitB is bis
lone junco
Im gonna have to pug mythic mother I think.
strange python
So if you have no SS traits you should go tb?
gilded kite
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
lone junco
Top gear lets you pick a few azerite and a few traits. If you are Doing that. Pick subterfuge and ma. And tb and exang.
Get some archive and dd and SS and ditb and laser. And Whatever your Highest ilvl is
strange python
We do still stack SS for m+ tho right
strange python
thanks a lot
abstract crescent
so if I have socketed gear I can't put more than 1 of a kind gem?
can't socket anything else with +40 agi
lone junco
Agi is unique. The others can be haste/crit/mastery or whatever
lone junco
Depends on st or m+
I should plot my haste graph. It went from best to last.
Gotta be a break in there somewhere.
broken fiber
Can i get some of your haste, its still my best stat by a mile.
abstract crescent
it's my worst stat at 11% o.o
exotic glen
hai noobe
broken fiber
How is it your worst stat at 11% are you simming aoe or @abstract crescent
abstract crescent
idk did stat weight
lone junco
hes probably not subterfuge
broken fiber
placid elbow
Hmmmmm
@lone junco , just tried that Mut>Rup>Mut>Gar>Van>TB>env combo and burst was stupid high
but then i settled back down to earth lul
broken fiber
Why is MA even a thing lol 3 sec woo
placid elbow
that's what i'm testing though
if the burst from MA is enough to equalize a SS opener
flint jetty
I see so many people running exsang but it aoms lower for me generally. Is it better on priority Target or something?
Looking thru mythic logs that is
safe wraith
mythic uldir?
flint jetty
Well not antorus lol. Like fetid vectis ghuun. Looking at top for mythic uldir rogues checking talents for the sin rogues on there most I've seen are running exsang
exotic glen
also depends on the traits available to you
safe wraith
Could have meant m+, just wanted to make sure. Exsang scales better with haste and ss traits iirc so for a lot of people it sims a bit higher anyways
exotic glen
right, sims assumes ideal gear
cunning needle
the more haste you have the more haste is your better stat
ive kept on stacking haste and its now worth even more than agi for me
safe wraith
On fetid exsang is very useful for the large adds, on vectis TB lines up better with the add spawns but you miss casts due to the intermission
worldly pelican
hi guys, I need help in improving, I'm parsing really low in heroic. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/36312593
flint jetty
I'm about 14% haste out of raid and about 20% in. I guess I'll just have to play around a bit and see what works better for the fight
worldly pelican
What do you think I'm doing wrong?
exotic glen
give us a few mins to look
worldly pelican
thank you @exotic glen! I reread guides, watched videos, there's something missing that I don't know
But I don't know what
exotic glen
did you read the one from here?
worldly pelican
yep, the one from ravenholdt
exotic glen
ok
mossy bear
Do the pvp/pve builds vary alot for sin ?
exotic glen
honestly
your gear sucks mate
especially weapons
a bit snakes
you can read up on the pve builds in the guide in the header
mossy bear
yeah im reading through it now
jumping over from sub after years of playing that
just dont want to pick some bogus traits that are gargabe in pvp
as thats what im focusing on atm
pvp
exotic glen
well you'd need to ask in #pvp about that
i know some talents change
but idk about traits
mossy bear
ok cool
worldly pelican
hahaha, yeah, gear sucks, im sure, ive been really unlucky
safe wraith
i think it's mostly gear
worldly pelican
is there something else i can improve on?
exotic glen
you parse well in your ilvl bracket, and with your weapons sucking the most thats kinda impressive a bit
flint jetty
Well I noticed you meleed boss before casting anything else
worldly pelican
oh
exotic glen
you know your opener and basic rotation
safe wraith
go into vanish with 2/3cp so you can garrote->finisher->garrote for the extra gcd duration of empowered garrote
worldly pelican
so it's just weapons that i need?
exotic glen
theres some optimisation for sure
flint jetty
And didn't garotte untill 3.5 sec into boss fight and meleed boss at 2 seconds I think
exotic glen
that could be done
worldly pelican
ah, that's when i was running toward the boss
exotic glen
he garroted on 2 on taloc at least
worldly pelican
should i shadowstep?
exotic glen
no
flint jetty
Yeah I think that was mother
worldly pelican
i've been only running
exotic glen
you're stealth
worldly pelican
oh
safe wraith
@flint jetty stop looking at damage done and look at casts
exotic glen
can almost stand on top of the boss when pulling
worldly pelican
OH
safe wraith
garrote isn't an instant hit
worldly pelican
that's new to me
exotic glen
LOL
worldly pelican
sorry, i thought boss would be pulled
exotic glen
some bosses can like
worldly pelican
our RL will get mad at me on accidental pulls
exotic glen
see through stealth and some also
worldly pelican
so i keep my distance
exotic glen
have bigger pull range
but you should be able to hit the boss on 0
because of stealth
always
safe wraith
you can also shroud to help the other melee out
worldly pelican
okay, ill do my best
exotic glen
what he said
exotic glen
liavre 
safe wraith
i play outlaw so I can't shroud 
safe matrix
either tricks of the trade or dont be the very first person to aggro
worldly pelican
okay
safe matrix
otherwise the boss will fuck you up
worldly pelican
ive just been very wary because our RL
safe matrix
hi argo
worldly pelican
's a bit strict
worldly pelican
okay, ill be much confident next time
exotic glen
you cant stand ON TOP of the boss, any mob ever will notice you
just stand really close
worldly pelican
got it
safe matrix
when stealthed
exotic glen
something like 5 yards i think
worldly pelican
thank you guys
safe matrix
depends if the mob is facing towards you too
worldly pelican
it's my first time as DPS, had always been a healer
exotic glen
np dude
worldly pelican
so it's nice to gain a conficdence boost
exotic glen
come back if you have new questions later
worldly pelican
yep, ill try out your advice first
and report back on what else i needed help on
and to also hunt those daggers
mother has not been kind
exotic glen
m+ has good chance of weapons
exotic glen
depends, they have different stats
being better in different situations
are we talking single target?
exotic glen
yeah that would be best
but remember that like
weapon dps is one of the most important stats
so higher ilvl dagger is pretty much always better
worldly pelican
oh, that's true
but at least relics were something general
that other classes can get
the daggers are really specific
both my daggers i had to get from pvp
steep obsidian
even if you tricks and you hit it first the boss can easily take a melee swing at you before it registers I alwys just make sure the boss has targeted something before I open
been 1 shot on the pull too many times
worldly pelican
our tank is a pally
so i wait for him to throw his shield
then i start to run
lol
safe matrix
can evasion on pull to be extra safe 🤷
steep obsidian
true
i hate it myself when some nerd pulls agro on pull and the boss moves unpredictably so i dont really wanna be that guy either 😛
hollow cave
lone junco
something wierd happening with haste
ill need to zoom it in. but its bouncing up and down
pastel wasp
what
covert quarry
alright bois teach your pirate brother the way of poking people with daggers because the guides on both wowhead and ravenholdt confuse me on rotation
north terrace
That's a pretty unspecific question... what do you not understand?
lone junco
uptime on rupture
uptime on garrote
dont cap E
Dont overcap cps (unless ggg)
ta daaa
blissful hull
for 10+ keys are we using TB over CT this week for tryan?
inner pecan
covert quarry
i understand what @lone junco said pirate boi simple mind
blissful hull
running shrine 11
exotic glen
use crimson
exotic glen
i recall someone pretty reliable saying only on tyrannical temple of sethralis requiring PB
blissful hull
ok thanks
vocal dock
what were the BIS assas leggos from legion? gonna use for timewalking
civic palm
Shoulders Bracers were good.
exotic glen
shoulders bracers most likely
civic palm
Boots are kinda butt for TWing.
terse bone
shoulders and boots as well
exotic glen
not in timewalking like mize said
exotic glen
aggressive
exotic glen
stray hatch
Is it best to use Exsanguinate on CD or hold it for a 5 CP Rupture and fresh Garrote?
dapper moat
Anything wrong with shadowstepping and then casting garrotte-rupture-garrotte and so on?
brave rampart
worldly pelican
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
hidden merlin
Why are they not fixing this shit? Its bin over a f*ucking month now 
elder gulch
any good assissnation rogue streams to watch? mainly Mythic +
mossy bear
Vendetta before or after all bleeds are up
exotic glen
read the guide
fair basin
which traits should i be stacking for m+? 3x SS viable
north charm
Musclebrah
vital haven
cold meteor
they work
shut zinc
Hey guys, exsanguinate is still a must talent for M+ after the nerfs?
proven ice
When was it?
glad vapor
got heroic fetid chest and i don't know if u should use SS or power of the titan for m+
glacial steppe
Why is herodamage siming with MA?
sand whale
you can choose
slender hare
because its the highest simming talent in most cases, and it is the highest simming one for the t22 385 profile
subterfuge loses a lot of value when you have 0 SS
north charm
Exsanguinate get nerfed? :o
high siren
no
brisk forge
Why just assume stuff 🤔
copper remnant
Hey @high siren
high siren
hey @copper remnant
simple bronze
?assassination
turbid mantleBOT
Changed roles for Terral#6093, +Assassination
crimson marsh
goodbye @simple bronze
simple bronze
@crimson marsh Outlaw is still my favorite... i just seem to do better with Assassination in arena
safe matrix
Just in future, keep the role assigning in #bot-spam
dont want the spec channels getting spammed with them
torn coyote
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
chrome temple
Anyone able to help me figure out why my parsing is so low consistently? 😦
ive got a log linkcan dm
halcyon patio
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/csvKWpVhhVgSGzefyuYEZL anything gear/trait wise that I can improve on?
smoky prism
what boss and length should we be simming for m+?
dusty crow
for a 3rd trait in raids (have 2 raid traits), is unstable catalyst preferred? It sims pretty well but I'm just unsure about having to stand in the area
when i could just go DD on the same piece, but then it's locked to sin and i cant use it for zul cheese
and also DD is pretty bad for m+
atomic grotto
for m+ u can sim 6 targets 40 seconds patchwerk no buffs
swift pelican
I try to have at least 1 stack of SS for the extra combo points and the stronk garrotte
edgy latch
do you vanish into envenom with master ass?
(heh, master ass)
or vanish > tb > env maybe?
sinful lotus
@edgy latch I believe you vanish, TB (if you using TB) Env when using MA