Wife Aggro. I didn't get to finish my thought. I'll check back tomorrow.
#assassination
lone junco
flint jetty
With the bot reply on SS is it saying to not cast unempowered garrotes at all or just to not refresh until it has dropped?
lone junco
Just let the subterfuge drop on all 3 targets before refreshing.
flint jetty
Yeah that's what I've been doing. Just the way it was phrased was kind of confusing
lone junco
It's a confusing bug.
Well. I didn't see documentation that they nerfed SS again. But if the did I have some 370 scent ready to go
It will be missed tho.
civic palm
why is the second trait gain so small > _>
lone junco
Idk. Long gone are the 22k then 18k crits.
flint jetty
Yeah it's been nerfed twice right? 40% each time?
lone junco
Idc about the stacks. Just the in game numbers.
civic palm
I can gettem real fast, wantem?
inner leaf
civic palm
Reload it a few times, showed up for me.
brittle juniper
So archive doesn’t stack either?
civic palm
The gains from 2 and 3 are much less than the first.
potent rune
did ss been nerfed again? last i checked it was mid of pack now its at the bottom
spice surge
No but the default talent changed from Subterfuge to master assas
As that is better for most high end setups. Thus SS (which benefits massively from subterfuge) drops down a lot
Which highlights why i dislike bloodmallet
potent rune
ah kk ty
spice surge
Herodamage is just far better, especially for rogues as the developers of that site are rogue theorycrafters
slim sand
I wish I could use Herodamage
Whenever I load the website, it just turns goes completely white
just goes*
severe ice
alot of ppl using haste/mastery weapon enchants? is that the best now?
flint jetty
I'm sure they're using whatever sims best
exotic glen
also all the theorycrafters are on this discord, and you can ask them questions about it in #tc-research
flint jetty
But mastery is worth a bit more in mythic dungeons and haste a bit less
sour trout
3x SS for M+ still best?
slim sand
Should I be using Marked for Death + Crimson Tempest for M+?
fathom echo
anyone know w hats better for M+ TB or Exsang
flint jetty
I think a bit of it comes bown to preference and traits. I've seen a fair few just using PB on tyrannical weeks or dungeons without tonsd of trash. I personally just use tempest for m+ I think exsang becomes exceptionally strong if you have 3 ss traits, but otherwise the difference seems to be pretty small
Personally I just use vigor in m+ still but im sure some people use MFD for the resets on trash
slim sand
Right on, man. Appreciate the help!
prisma crescent
Tempest feels so yuck tho
so much start up time
Its probably better but PB is just immensely more satisfying to use
flint jetty
It just feels so weak as a talent. I remember if you got like 3+ procs on pull when it was trait and you had 7/7 poison trait it just felt soooo good
royal vortex
correct me if this is the wrong place to ask but is there a good addon or a weakaura to show only combo points
checked wago but didn't find anything simple just for the points
flint jetty
Tons of weakaurs for only combo points
royal vortex
thank you
exotic glen
np
flint jetty
That's a ling to some of Sppookie_'s rogue WA's
He's one of the rogues from method
prisma crescent
OFC Double Dose and DitB only drop from M+ Chest
flint swift
So I sim for 13.7 but I’m pulling 15.3 regularly on single target pulls. What’s up with that?
Are the sims not accurate for some reason?
astral sundial
shorter fights then your sim
fringe ginkgo
Man it's nice using mantle again in timewalking
flint swift
That makes sense I guess but I’m getting 2+ vendettas every fight. I’ll check specific logs for irregularities.
Although I guess it I’m simming for 5 minutes then 3+ vendettas would be cause for alarm
If*
Kk thanks
strange python
is the ravenholdt website outdated? seen someone say we use master assassin now but site still has subterfuge for the talent builds
patent tartan
you use sub now for SS trait
fathom echo
can anyone explain when to use exsang when aoeing how many ruptures should i put up and at what CP before i use it
arctic crow
it only works on 1 rupture and garrote
spice surge
Tbf exsang does work on CT and Internal bleeding too, but they're pretty fringe cases
I heard it works on Rezan's fury too, but i dont have it so cant confirm
peak saffron
what ability do you guys tie your galecaller's boon to?
fiery cradle
upper ether
I don't have it but I don't think I'd tie it to anything. I'd have a separate keybind for it. Seems risky to add it to an ability.
mild basin
tied bloodfury to mine
vivid wharf
hi guys
what's better
dead eye spy + phantoms
phantoms + lustrous golden
dead eye spy + lustrous
dead and golden = 365
feral spear
frail gate
those are my legion stat weights from when I simmed back in 7.3
:^)
is there a general rule that we always want to have 1 SS? The QOL is nice, anyway
halcyon tulip
rekt dragomir
frail gate
^^ ^ ^
silent dagger
any tips on sin arena? i seem to be stuck around ~1800cr with 370ilvl gear, ive got 1 SS and 2 sharpened blades. Is there are other azerite i should be focusing on getting to arena or those are fine?
vestal zodiac
Does the no SS opener apply to MA builds?
rich olive
@vestal zodiac If you are not using any SS trait then follow the other opener.
vestal zodiac
so it applies no matter the talent choice in 2nd row?
rich olive
Yes
vestal zodiac
alright cheers
strange python
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
late shore
same for me
undone cairn
gear compare does the same thing as top gear right?
icy temple
guys should we still run x3 SS in m+
strange python
yes you should
strange python
@icy temple its uldir only
pastel vault
no the archive still stacks , but reoriginiation doesnt
strange python
I know but the rest of it is made redundant
Which will drasticallt lower its dps value
still x3 ss
is reorigination included in archive sims or no
vestal zodiac
depends which ur looking at
it says it on sims anyway
archive of the titans (no +) = no array
archive of titans + x (stacks of array) = array sims included
slim sand
I hope they make M+ drop Azerite gear at some point. My 370 uldir gear Sims higher for ST and AoE compared to my 340s, but I hate not having SS.
shadow pivot
yeah people tend to forget alot about ilvl. you'd ideally want to run 3x SS, but my 370 AOTT piece sims higher in both st and aoe situation compared to 340 SS so i'm running 2x AOTT 1x SS rn in >10s
undone cairn
are you guys using st for m+ this week?
shadow pivot
depends on your group
most of the time gonna run crimson tempest anyway cus rogues are not affli locks
when it comes to st boss down
slim sand
I'm running AoTT, Laser Matrix, and Rezans Fury on my 370s because the class traits on the pieces are less than ideal, Lol
undone cairn
yeah idk
lean kite
why does blood mallet say ss is terrible
strange python
@lean kite its mediocre. But still top tier for m+
lean kite
what about raid single target?
elfin harbor
Why Bloodmallet says SS is terrible ?
See #tc-updates for an explanation.
HeroDamage does not have this issue.
lean kite
so is herodamage more accurate than bloodmallet?
any reason to use bloodmallet>herodamage?
cyan frost
whats better 350 dice or 340 GC with socket?
bleak tangle
sim it
bleak tangle
sim options > hectic cleave
cyan frost
when you get a GC are you supposed to drop haste gems and enchants and go for crit/mastery?
slender lichen
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
echo hound
@strange python Thats a pretty impressive sim for 360 ilvl with low weps. whats your secret lol? i have 367 equipped and only sim about 500-600dps higher. running 1xss, 1 archive and 1 blightborne. Fathoms and Dice as trinkets
vestal wren
@lean kite well default profile made bloodmallet for sub quite bad for quite a while now, its fine now that we have sharpened not as top sim. This means the design flaw in bloodmallet is the methology that hes only using the default talents. In any case where the talents diviate to much it becomes pretty much useless for the majority.
vocal wave
Hey guys, I'm trying to get good at my Rogue enough to jump into HC raids with my guild and switch from my other character. I want to perform the best I absolutely can and wondering if anyone could have a quick look at my logs. Hit 120 a week ago and been playing mainly Outlaw for open world stuff, but now I have the weapons for it and some azerite traits, trying to focus on sin for raiding most bosses in Uldir.
MY name is Chaku. This was a pug normal run.
Any criticism and advice on things that I can do to improve damage would be great. The run was chaotic so I didn't get a chance to change talents to Exsang which I feel would be better for add switching
But I feel that I should be doing more than 46% of my personal ilvl
tender quail
guys... I just got my third 370 AoTT piece... should I run 3x SS (340, 340, 355) or 3x AoTT (370, 370, 370) with toxic blade. Raidbots is telling to go with AoTT but... in reality I found it weaker than 3x SS (but maybe i'm doing some shit rotation). Also I have 2x DD, but sims is always worse with DD.
civic palm
Depends on what you are doing and what you are simming.
tender quail
my bad... I'm doing sims for raiding uldir, for m+ i'm using 3x SS
civic palm
Your results would seem to echo reality then. Shrouded Suffocation requires using Subterfuge, and being able to re-enter stealth to make the most out of it (even though the APL and SIMc are not capable of doing so).
Therefore you should see better results in M+ with SUB + SS than most other options.
tender quail
So... AoTT 3x is the way ><
civic palm
For raids, that's surely possible, especially depending on the item level of your DD traits.
atm things are functioning as they should though, and item level seems to be winning in raids.
tender quail
340 azerite pieces with DD 😦
timber pewter
can assassins proc trinket with DoTs alone?
civic palm
Depends on if the trinket procs from damage dealt or something else like you "striking" the enemy.
Most trinkets will proc off you sneezing near the target.
timber pewter
Your attacks and abilities have a chance to ....
oops, probs easier if i jsut say the itemL Tiny Electromental in a Jar
rose wharf
SS still best for mythic+?
strange python
@echo hound Thx mate! IDK tbh
candid jasper
Does m+ award azerite items at the end of the dungeon?
strange python
no
rose wharf
only in the weekly chest
candid jasper
:/
strange python
^
candid jasper
So the only way to get 370+ is to mythic raid/pvp or wait for weekly chest?
rose wharf
ye i got 2x385 pieces with ss tho out of the chest
or you're lucky with procced items in m+ which i'm not
chilly oasis
interesting, 1x SS, 2x Archive
without array buffs
Btw, what is the opener for MA instead of SF?
I'm so used to pandemic garrote that my head hurts
civic palm
Just follow the APL for MA, works fine.
chilly oasis
Erm, APL?
tardy ether
Garrote, Muti, Rupture, vendetta, vanish, TB, Muti, envenom
tardy ether
thats the opener that simcraft is using
civic palm
I feel like they use Vanish poorly after the opener but that kinda thing can be worked on.
tardy ether
yeah same
chilly oasis
but like, tb is yout strongest option after vanish
civic palm
Yeah but it's not always up and given fight lengths you might have to burn Vanish/Vendetta before you can wait on TB to come back up.
The APL will do things like Vanish and refresh Rupture.
civic palm
Not happening in Raids.
spice surge
@vocal wave You should have 95%+ uptime on garrote & rupture on a fight such as fetid. You have 40% uptime on garrote, which is pretty bad
sick monolith
what are good azerite pvp traits?
vocal wave
I just found out that garrote is no longer from stealth, from someone else
vocal wave
So I'm a pretty big idiot.
sick monolith
oh didnt even see that thanks
spice surge
after 1 ss for pvp
civic palm
Do note that DoT uptimes can tank if you're on something like Mother and Hitler (your RL) assigns you to the first group.
slim wigeon
just get a bunch of fok traits if you are doing rbgs lol
you can aoe ppl down like trash mobs
spice surge
Yeah 22.5 yard range on Fok is just..silly....
naive trellis
Outlaw is king
vocal wave
Also, I swear, sometimes I can only seem to get 2 garrotes and a Rupture off during my subterfuge window. Are others getting 3 garrote during that time?
vocal wave
Just felt like I was doing more ages ago, but maybe it's my perception
slim wigeon
you only get 3 gcds in subterfuge
vocal wave
I was probably using another garrote then just as subterfuge ran out and thinking I was still using it in stealth, so fair enough
vocal harbor
how does stacking archive/matrix work? i thought you could only benefit from 1 reorigination at once
kind crater
it set itself to hectic add cleave for some reason
@vocal harbor correct, but the stacking agility/laser proc still stacks
wary anchor
cant wait till my exang sims higher
vocal harbor
does that mean if i can run multiple laser/archive traits, it's better than everything else?
because on bloodmallet laser/archive are miles above the other traits
spice surge
You can run multiple
But they are not that good
Reorigination array is good
Hence the +5/+10
late vessel
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/q236XrGzpTwh8bmL#fight=32&type=damage-done
Was browsing some high passes for rogues and noticed that this fight lists 2 bloodlust usages. Is this a new mechanic, or what gives?
Or is it the second lust not effective on the players due to exhaustion?
spice surge
Its not effective correct
vapid delta
Anyone able to help me out with something? How are bleeds effected by bonus stats (such as trinkets and agi pot) - do I need to use before applying bleed or does it work per tick
Also I'd imagine the same applies to exsang bonus?
dire spoke
exsa snapshots off your current haste value which is why you use items like galecaller before the ability
If you exsa before galecaller, it will still increase the number of ticks you get because garrote is still dynamic - the only thing exsa does is calculate how much it should reduce the remaining time by and factor the number of ticks into that timing
tl;dr The more haste you have before hitting exsa, the faster the garrote will be ticking
opal sphinx
what are the best traits for pvp/pve
dire spoke
You can find an order of stats from a basic profile in the pinned messages in this channel. You best should answer that question with a simulation of your own toon since it will be more accurate because you most likely have other items
PvP has standardized - afaik - the only thing to tweak there is item-level
mossy wasp
can someone give a quick explanation why the top m+ rogues are running low haste
vapid delta
@spice surge @dire spoke tyvm ❤
high siren
@mossy wasp mastery and crit hit harder on multiple targets
mortal warren
m+ = multi target fights = more ruptures up = more energy regen = less need for haste
frosty gyro
I mean you don't even have to have SS
mortal warren
^the spec works ofc but you'll perform better the more SS traits you get "basicly"
high siren
I don’t run SS
frosty gyro
Stat procs are really good for M+ as well
Like Blightborne Infusion
Or Champion of Azeroth
dark niche
how does 1 ss assa compare to sub? for m+
high siren
tradewinds
frosty gyro
Oh and Scent of Blood probably aint bad in M+
shut viper
3xss still best for m+?
signal sonnet
any1 know if laser matrix breaks CC in m+ ?
lapis chasm
i have laxer matrix and archive as 2 of my traits, for my final trait i can choose between SS and Archive, what should i go for ?
lapis chasm
u sure about that ?
and another question about azerite, for the 2nd raw of traits, i got Earthlink - Elemental Whirl - Azerite Globules , should i got Eratlink or Elemental Whirl ?
lapis chasm
M+ and raids
signal sonnet
i mean earthlink always sucks, so never that
lapis chasm
ok, so i got with Elemental whirl
signal sonnet
for m+ azerite globules
lapis chasm
i guess azerite globules suck
strange python
Use 1 overwhelming and 2 heed if you can
lean hare
Coming back to wow recently, would you guys say overall assass has an easier or more complex "rotation" and management than outlaw?
lapis chasm
i have 1 heed and i choose Overwhelming power over heed
lapis chasm
not atlow anymore
ok, now its better
so , you positive i need at least 1 SS trait , no matter if its raid or M+ content ?
strange python
Good to have for aoe situations
magic thistle
Okay is it worth stacking more then one battlefield focus traits? Doesnt anyone know how multiple battlefield focus traits work
vocal wave
Is Exsang worth it during low keys?
strange python
@vocal wave if you can get an empowered garrote and a 5cp rupture to completely finish during exsang then yes
amber quail
Well...is correct as opening: g r g m r galcaller+vendetta exg?
If not which is correct and after 45 how to prepare 2nd exg? Ty guys
desert hazel
I assume if you are running master assassin to vanish into tb into envenom?
actually would probably be better to mut tb envenom with double dose now that I think about it?
strange python
@amber quail you running SS traits?
Normally its g,r,g,vendetta,mutilate, r exange(gcb macrod into this) and if you are using cgb you just wait for the CD before next exang. Make sure you pandemic garrote ans rupture before using
Think like this. If you have GCB. Macro it with Exang. Showtooltip GCB and exang now has a 1 minute CD
long hill
So its not worth using exs without gcb? Its better to wait?
strange python
Exang snapshots so why use gcb unless its with exnag
delicate root
I delay my 2nd exsang by 15 sec to get gcb with it
vivid terrace
Whats the Best trait in raids and m+ for sin now after garrote nerf etc?
spiral furnace
Is it possible to sim uldir traits outside of uldir?
calm grail
With the default profile changing from subterfuge to master assassin is the opener affected? For non exsanguinate rotation.
pulsar goblet
340 SS vs 385 Dagger in the back for m+?
unreal jewel
Ideally, what kind of gems and enchants would you want as an Assassination Rogue? Weapon enchant, specifically.
I'm not that familiar with it this expac.
unreal jewel
?
median birch
Galecaller's boon
cold flare
Ah thanks. I even have a 380 gcb and i didnt know... just didnt think of the name
median birch
Took me a second too
forest niche
Guys, should I use Exsang on cd?
forest niche
so i wanna hold it for 15 sec, si that what you're saying?
robust light
Is that feelycraft or has it been proven to be worth?
vestal abyss
fossil jewel
If I linked my logs is there anyone that could take a look and maybe tell me why I feel like I'm underperforming
little sparrow
Link and I'll skim through it on my phone, or DM me your sim wcl and armory
opal sphinx
hey whats best talents for pvp
vocal wave
Guys, I want to set it up so that my current Garrote WA changes is it's an emp one or not
I have the custom code to see when Emp Garrote is on the target
little sparrow
@opal sphinx Google wow 3v3 ladder and look at what other rogues are doing
vocal wave
Or even
Does anyone know the custom code to add an animation, like a bounce or something in WA?
north terrace
@robust light that's feely craft. Only hold stuff when vendetta and vanish are off cd.
light rampart
@spiral furnace yes. There is an option to turn the buff to 0
random scroll
does the garrote bug also occurs on two targets?
if i've put a max duration garrot on a target then an add pops and I garrote it
(a max SS garrote)
dapper moat
If u do it all inside the 3 seconds, you can garrotte even 2 mobs,right?
random scroll
yes yes, but the add spawn after the subterfuge window
random scroll
nice
sand orbit
why is shrouded suffocation so low on bloodmallet all of a sudden? i mean it's ridiculously low
random scroll
sims don't double garrot
dapper moat
Got nerfed
random scroll
and that aswell
spiral furnace
Sims use Master Asssassin now instead of Subterfuge
sand orbit
i see
is the bug still happening though when you re-apply garrote after subterfuge all other garrotes start dealing less damage?
tribal jolt
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
north terrace
@sand orbit bloodmallet sims only worry about the absolute best setup which takes master assassin and tb currently which ss is bad with. Use herodamage, ss is actually the top non raid trait for exs build
sand orbit
yep i got it
north terrace
Which honestly if you like the playstyle is just a bit behind ma/tb
honest iris
does two of the same weapon enchant not stack?
I never found an answer but assumed so since everyone uses one of each
true ingot
There is huge diminishing returns in terms of proc rate
To the point that it's better to use two separate enchants.
honest iris
ah gotcha ty
unreal jewel
Is wanting to use haste enchants and all that up to date? I just got back to check the messages and looked at the pins as suggested.
brisk forge
So what traits are u guys running for M+ currently?
vale scroll
3x SS
brisk forge
Still farming for that SS head.. currently running googles
vale scroll
well yeah have to work with what you got
brisk forge
Head is only from Shrine of the Storm, right?
vale scroll
glossy violet
Is there another boe trinket that is good besides fathoms?? Never getting luck with trinket. Got the 375 heroic warforged ghuun trinket but it sucks
Anyone?
I’d rather buy one for now to replace this trash ghuun trinket until I actually happen to get a dungeon trinket
little sparrow
There is no alternative boe trinket, just fathoms
desert pelican
on 2 targets fok always better than muti as cp builder?
grand trail
I feel like struggling with my dps doing only around 10k single can someone check my armory if it just gear thing? (Simming slightly over 11k)
snow tendon
if you sim only 11k and your doing 10k thats releativley good,
grand trail
Yeah, I was more likely looking for advice which slots need upgrade most and which m+ look for
and not sure how much double pot increase dps.. since we r heroic I'm using old ones
Another thing is that TB is simming 200dps higher than exsa.. is that just that I don't have SS traits?
lofty sand
Thats around what you would do with your ilvl usually, we used to do more with SS.
twilit owl
What Azerite Traits are you running in Mythic + ?
exotic glen
triple SS if i can
lofty sand
triple SS is the best for M+ I think
exotic glen
yeah without a doubt
compact bolt
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
compact bolt
Don't forget that bug
twilit owl
What about 1x Archive of the Titan and 2x SS? im Running also 3x SS
is it worth in m+ ?
lofty sand
Someone was saying they fixed it the other day, I haven't checked it myself but you should if you're running SS
Archive is shid outside of Uldir, you dont get the Haste buff I think
twilit owl
yea but the Agility is still on there
i heard is was really good , thats why im asking
lofty sand
Can't say it is, I use Archive in Uldir, outside I use Scent
twilit owl
Mh, Ty tho
lofty sand
you could run a sim with specific m+ settings and see how it goes, I think some people here have done it before
twilit owl
Nope. The SS bug is still Live, just tested
lofty sand
unfortunate, well at this point I think we're all used to ignore the 4th garrote until the others drop
so nothing changes
twilit owl
So annoying. Still not fixed after such a long time
quiet rover
so for m+ with ss do you just drop 3 garrote and overcap on cp?
quiet rover
ty
sterile tinsel
How come hero dmg has MFD listed so high for M+, is that what people are running now as Sin/Exang instead of vigor?
tranquil pivot
@quiet rover - You dont have the time to do something else. Subterfuge only holds on for 3sec.
haughty flame
guys please i need some help
if im not using any SS trait when in raid
what should my rotation be
tranquil pivot
Theres no time to use your Combopoints.
misty mango
Simple question - what does +5 and +10 stand for at the azerite traid charts?
*trait
misty mango
So it means stacks?
weak isle
Yep
digital crescent
signal sonnet
Guys is it better to run crimson tempest or poison bomb for mythic plus ?
little sparrow
CT for most dungeons
signal sonnet
Yeah thought so
little sparrow
You only run PB on heavy boss dungeons
It's not that simple
On dungeons with harder bosses you want PB
signal sonnet
The thing is , on better for boaaea , and with tyrannical wouldn't it be optimal for bosses ?
hushed pulsar
It is that simple though...
Will the mobs be still? If yes PB if no CT
signal sonnet
And what's optimal rotation with CT ?
With three mobs as an example- rupture > rupture > rupture , CT , fok > rupture > fok > rupture > fok > rupture (getting CT garrote and rupture up on all targets ?)
little sparrow
GGG CT
subtle imp
so are people just running two 340 ss in helm/shoulder and then uldir ss for m+
high m+
tranquil pivot
Garrote is way stronger than Rup, so 3x Garrote and then CT
desert pelican
on 2 targets fok always better than muti as cp builder?
signal sonnet
NOT sure
little sparrow
Pretty sure FOK 3+
frank shuttle
nimble bison
I though 2+ for sin aswell
desert pelican
th1s is why i ask, ravenhold says fok on 2, some rogues use fok on 2, some on 3 😉
didnt see myself fok > muti on 2, but th1s is coz my incompetiveness
carmine valve
exang vs toxic blade, does it come down to having SS trait or not?
daring imp
yes/no/depends on stat weights/traits/talents
river echo
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
smoky topaz
when they gonna fix it tho ..
torpid hare
exsanguinate, should you lets yoru bleeds fall off or
daring imp
ideally, yes dev
river echo
Yea -.-
tranquil pivot
exsang is based on mastery or haste?
nimble bison
Neither
It just makes your bleed tick twice as fast
Haste affecta the bleeds regardless
tranquil pivot
i thought that bleeddamage is based on mastery
nimble bison
It does, it has nothing to do with exang
tranquil pivot
hmm...
iron jacinth
Can one of you rogue take a look at my logs to see if theres anything I can improve on going into mythics
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/35272901
Thanks ahead of time!
terse pawn
exsang does no damage by itself
you can use it on someone with no bleeds on them and watch it do absolutely nothing
jagged atlas
do you guys run crimson tempest this week ?
nimble bison
Yes bigger pulls with kiting
edgy trellis
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
old quartz
check the pin regarding SS >.>
carmine valve
MfD or vigor in m+?
carmine valve
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xac5HPe_-CgXJo4yUiv_LJldqLu5WjPjUq9d0wRqmIg/edit#gid=0 im bit confused by the info under "Gameplay note" for exanguinate opener
exang around the 2:20 mark will still line up quite well
wont the second vandeta just run out by that time?
dense quest
You just wait and pop it together
carmine valve
so lets see, wait for vandetta vanish and exang to come off CD, and then I do Vanish Garrote Garrote Rupture Vandetta exang?
dark token
5cp-> vanish rupture garrote garrote rupture vendetta exsang
carmine valve
ahh
dark token
3cp -> vanish garrote rupture garrote vendetta mut rupture exsang
3cp w/ rolling rupture -> vanish garrote envenom garrote vendetta mut rupture exsang
0cp -> vanish garrote garrote rupture vendetta exsang
depends on how far your rupture is
and your current cp
digital locust
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/kazzak/zantè what do i need to improve?
iron prism
No ss I guess?
daring imp
@iron jacinth try to delay TB less, your overall bleed uptime is decent, what is holding your parses back should mostly be kill speed
iron prism
Well If he has ss ya. Isn’t that the opener without though?
Maybe I’m not awake yet and missing something
tranquil pivot
it doesnt matter how much i hit freehold, this fckn trinket wont drop for me! T.T
winter cedar
with gatecallers should you delay exsang or is not worth
hybrid chasm
I dont know if its just me but i noticed in M+ that i was able to open with rupture and still go for 4 garrotes in a row 😮
iron prism
Er
If you do 4 then one isn’t stealthed so you’re removing the bonus damage buff from all of them
lapis ferry
So the current go-to for uldir is 2x double dose and 1x archieve at +4?
iron prism
@lapis ferry should be yes
lapis ferry
How fun •_•
hybrid chasm
I know but I'm wondering as I shouldnt be able to do Rupture + 3 buffed ones ..right?
iron jacinth
@daring imp thanks for looking at it, so TB on cd?
vapid delta
@lapis ferry real ssumday?
night cypress
anyone know a decent place to give logs a look?
vapid delta
Any of you boys know optimal aoe rotation (for m+)
iron prism
Blizzard: azerite traits are cool because they can change your rotation and the way you play
Also blizzard: azerite traits which change your rotation and the way you play were too powerful, so we’re nerfing them and making passive traits with no effect on gameplay the strongest
vapid delta
Is there a threshold where CT spam > ruptures
night cypress
if you mean actual spam, you'd know it when you see it
but you're either gonna wipe on that pull or it'll die too fast
torn junco
anyone know if cloak drops the debuff for orbs on g'huun?
iron prism
Meh make your Warriors and monks run orbs
lone junco
Saw some Vanish rupture exang talk. People playing Ns DS exang?
vapid delta
@night cypress so what is optimal aoe opener abd rotation?
lapis ferry
Never DS exsng
lone junco
What is the synergy trait for that?
night cypress
optimal opener is garrote garrote garrote
drifting bramble
lol
daring imp
@iron jacinth yes, you ideally wanna cast it on CD
daring imp
if you need to prepare beforehand for it, like getting 3~4 cps to pop tb > envenom, do before it comes off cd
try to fit ATLEAST 1 envenom inside tb window
night cypress
we're talking aoe quake, so nah
daring imp
so envenom buff will be up
oy @lone junco , i get why gcb is great for exsang, but why is it the same for tb/MA?
lone junco
I had a pull with 2nd dmg white.
lone junco
Vendetta GC would still be strong without SS.
That's a much simpler sim. Doesn't need to stack with exang.
night cypress
bloodmallet is rating dead-eye above gcb
willow prairie
Hi guys, can't test it right now but i'm wondering something, if I put my dot on a target and during the dots I get an elaborate planning buff, will the dot do more damage for the next 4 seconds or do they need to be cast during elaborate planning to benefit from it during all their duration ?
night cypress
yes, they'll adjust with stat gains
lone junco
Tb GC would stab out some DPs.
daring imp
was thinking of putting plumage instead of it for even moar dmg on vendettas
lone junco
Tbh. GC in non SS. Is just a well timed haste buff.
Dice between vendettas. Vs use aligned with tb and vendetta.
daring imp
yeah but the point about melee being always top 2~3 damage is a great one i hadn't considered
placid elbow
I'm liking my Corpsucle better than GC.
inner pulsar
Said no one ever
daring imp
lul
lone junco
I like having one use and one proc or buff.
placid elbow
that and if you pop your GC and tank moves boss, it's poop.
lone junco
Sure.
daring imp
yeah that's part of why i was considering not using it
daring imp
sometimes i find myself waiting ''WTF IS THIS STUPID TANK DOING, IS THIS A MARATHON'' or something similar
placid elbow
dunno maybe it's just me. With corpsucle, I average a higher DPS.
lone junco
Corpuscle is good for outlaw I think.
placid elbow
It's a poor man's Fathom IMO.
daring imp
lul
inner pulsar
It is good for Outlaw
placid elbow
so it ain't too bad IMO lol
lone junco
@daring imp are you on the MA Tb train still?
woven folio
has shrouded suffocation been nerfed already or is it "working as intended"?
prime brook
do i take hidden blades with 2x SB trait?
inner pulsar
@prime brook No
arctic ledge
if im in m+, and running CT, is it better to rupture 3 targets first and then CT or the other way around
light kestrel
Didn't they nerf SB into the dirt with the reduction of damage, and nerfing the benefit it got from stacking?
lofty solstice
Hello friends, picking up Ass for M+ gear farm, even tho im only really gonna play rogue for Mythic Zul. Ravenholdt guide says all three LvL 100 talents are viable for 5 man instances, but im wondering if there amongst the community is a preference to what is stonger?
prime brook
one SB sims pretty high
daring imp
@light kestrel 1x sb still does decent dmg tho, stacking is a no no, reduces dmg too much
prime stirrup
@arctic ledge I normally go 3x garrote opener into ct then fok rupture, i only use 2 foks in-between each rupture, doesnt matter what cp im finishing at.
light kestrel
That's what I figured. I knew it would get hit but had fun with 3 of the traits while I could.
arctic ledge
ahh okay its just about the energy regen even if they're 1cp ruptures
prime stirrup
if you FoK twice you will never have a 1 cp finisher. worst case is 2-3 but thats typically enough to get everything rolling. On fortified weeks it might be a little better to do 4-5 finishers. but this week shit melts
clever root
Ongbak, hows that rotation feel? and so you pref it for st vs mt with subt or what?
night cypress
i tend to align it with opener then on its own in the middle and again with vendetta
prime stirrup
I pop GC when i hit vendetta then i use on CD so it matches up with next vendetta/vanish
cyan frost
oh okay
inner plover
What the opener looks like with master-assassin talent + tb?
charred oar
whats the ideal setup for raiding now? still 2x DD 1x Archive?
strange python
@inner plover Sim and check APL
daring imp
@clever root oh that one is mainly for raiding
clever root
makes sense, functions better than sub on st i would assume.
daring imp
well given i am not using any SS, it sure is slightly better than subterfuge atleast by simming it
daring imp
how many bosses is that
charred oar
6t 40seconds
daring imp
i think you can only put 1 gem that gives agi?
vale scroll
yes only 1
lone halo
ahh that's why icy veins says that, i was curious
vale scroll
always get one if you can afford it
daring imp
tho sockets aren't all that common
lone halo
yep lucked out on one on a trinket
daring imp
and depends on your stat weights
sometimes haste outweights agi
i had haste over 2.0 for a while
vale scroll
yeah only st, agi helps for st and aoe
daring imp
now it's equal to agi in 2.01
vale scroll
but yeah depends on what you want
daring imp
( for raiding/st )
river quarry
Simming about 14.72k at 371 ilv that good?
tall talon
guys is 3x archive viable for m+ or should i get atleast 1 SS?
night cypress
3x archive sounds mediocre
shrewd tinsel
even after they nerfed the benefit after 1?
vale scroll
what ? thats sharpened blade not ss
daring imp
@charred oar i'd turn off all raid buffs tho
for that 6t 40s sim
maybe keep flask/food
glossy violet
They nerfed ss
I’ve simmed my character with 3 ss and it’s worse than what I’m using
cerulean anchor
read pinned
glossy violet
I’m not using bloodmallet
daring imp
ok but
how did you sim 3x ss for m+
?
@glossy violet
@tall talon 3x archive for m+ isn't that bad, it's kinda constant "max" agi buff
tho the utility and overall contribution of 3x SS for killing all trash packs and for exs use is too good to pass up
tall talon
well i would only have 2x SS anyway since i don't have SS shoulders @daring imp
daring imp
well it shouldn't be an issue at all using archive on the other remaining piece
just try to make your tank both let you restealth and keep pulling fast so you won't drop its buff too much between pulls
west frost
daring imp
not that i know, no
tall talon
aight then i will go 2x SS with Archive, thanks 👍
wait what about 2x SS and 1x SB?
SoB*
fathom wasp
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glossy violet
@daring imp nah in raid. I no longer need m+ pieces and I’m on mythic progression
ornate herald
I've got a question, I'm only at 16% haste and outside of Vendetta, my energy regen feels really starved. Should I focus more on elaborate up time or just pool more and focus on envenum buff uptime?
daring imp
@glossy violet the guy asked specifically for m+ tho @_@"
lofty sand
you will never have enough energy to be pressing buttons all the time
pooling energy is aclass feature not a problem
lost sentinel
I think ya misread the question
lofty sand
oh yeah true, my bad
EP is not your highest priority but you shoul be keeping it in mind
strange python
switching from sub to sin here, any tips and tricks for rotation?
lone junco
M+ or Raid?
strange python
raid
strange python
archive, 1 ss, and 1 random pvp
ornate herald
So just focus on the elaborate uptime during phases of high energy regen and pool more when the starvation comes into play
thank you
lofty sand
Sin has some important moments you have to prioritize, such as exsang/TB windows
strange python
try to keep envenom buff
what should i do if I mutilate and only get 4cp
Read the guide
i have thanks
Well then you should know what to do
ornate herald
Yeah, I always pool for toxic blade window, I'm not new to "assass", but I'm not used to the energy regen feeling this bad
strange python
I'm asking people for their opinions
lofty sand
you do whatever you need with 4 cp most of the times
there are a lot of ifs so its hard
if you have tb and your next finisher is an envenom
terse pawn
yeah sin energy regen used to be a decent amount better in legion
strange python
yea
terse pawn
felt a lot smoother
strange python
i was thinking more along the lines of everything is in cd and you ahve 4cp, do you mutilate or just 4cp envenom
lofty sand
antorus sin was a mistake
terse pawn
you always finisher at 4+ cp
strange python
@strange python Why would u mutilate at 4 cp and potentialy waste 3 cp ?
lofty sand
4cp envenom if you dont have a way of getting that 1cp
bold fable
does having my galecaller /use on the same macro as EXSG give it the haste boost ?
strange python
what are things we are allowed to talk about here
"read the rules"
"read the guide"
lofty sand
no dude
strange python
Your question is stupid because the answer is in the guide
terse pawn
your question is explained thoroughly in the guide
lofty sand
because what you are asking is impossible to answer correctly, its snap judgement that comes with knowledge of the class
main rain
This Channel is for crying only, after weekly nerfs
quartz spear
I'm seeing a lot of conflicting sources with SS... I read the update on #tc-updates but I feel like I don't know how to read HeroDamage or something. I'm just trying to figure out what the best combinations of traits I can use for M+ are... Can someone point me in the right direction?
terse pawn
sin is still insane in m+, feels bad
daring imp
well end of legion with tier set it was a stupid overflow of energy lul
terse pawn
infinite energy
strange python
Or how much you hate that you had 3x shrouded suffocation and then the nerf hit you in the face
terse pawn
apparently 3x SS is still the best
daring imp
@strange python then you look at top m+ bois and see 3x ss still king
strange python
Idk havent played since antorus
quartz spear
3x SS really? hmm ok
terse pawn
having so much of sin's power come from empowered garrote is insane lol
daring imp
well many of them have some 370~385 piece with SS
but generally SS is still the best trait for m+
south tree
Hi everyone. I am new here.
10k dps for 356 ilvl its low or?
lofty sand
triple ss is the best for m+
quartz spear
And what about for raids, generally speaking? 2x SS + 1x Archive?
terse pawn
oh except his 385 chest
strange python
@quartz spear You can also go DD
3x archive
I'd still take 1 ss tho
Why would u go 3x archive though
lofty sand
I have no idea with raids, I just use a mix of things with high ilvl
strange python
Cause thats what sims say
I wouldnt
Idk but Archive + 2SS is better than 3archive for me
Listening to sims in 2018
daring imp
@quartz spear
terse pawn
damn the current #1 is all gemmed up with mastery lol
south tree
!stats
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Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > mastery > vers >= haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.
terse pawn
isn't mastery kinda shitty for sin now?
quartz spear
@daring imp Well yeah but it's getting frustratingly hard to sim these days
lofty sand
I used to go 2 DD and one archive for raids but I recently got a 370 SS
lofty sand
so im 1 SS 1 DD and one archive and somehow do more damage
daring imp
@_@"
daring imp
^
strange python
Ye talking about +10 on array
daring imp
@terse pawn it's mainly good for aoe or some tb/ma builds with DD trait
terse pawn
makes sense
strange python
I miss tumna
terse pawn
it's crazy to see people with 375 ilevel still runing 340 azerite pieces for the traits though lol
even if the azerite system was balanced, they really fucked up the ilevel perception with those and with socketed items
vestal wren
streams 😉
lofty sand
musclebrah is pushing super hgh keys with triple SS
lofty sand
It depends on your group, do you have powerful aoe burst in your group? go PB for ST damage
your groups lacks aoe? go CT to help out taking down trash
lofty sand
I run with a arms warrior and a DH I aint getting CT this week
daring imp
yea that one
terse pawn
i see blood dk is still going to be the meta tank for high keys
daring imp
well i mean the grip is kinda the best crowd control out there
surely bress and the rest of the kit is good
but grip saves too much time
astral sundial
I still can't make sin work for me in m+...doing total shit compared to sub even with 3 SS
lofty sand
dk will be forever meta unless they nerf it to the ground
strange python
haven't been keeping up to date with the traits, but saw in the reddit thread saying 1 archive 2 DD was BIS now?
lost sentinel
give shadow priest grip heheh
crimson maple
do you use crimson tempest on ST?
lofty sand
no
terse pawn
total shit like overall compared to sub?
daring imp
@strange python given high ilvl pieces, for raiding, sure
terse pawn
because i'm pretty sure i can beat my sub build in small cleave with just the 3 garrotes alone
vernal mauve
I'm confused as hell to about my talent build,stats, and traits now. Thought I was doing good then i started looking at other rogues who are running high keys and they have a different set up and pulling damn good numbers
strange python
@daring imp I have 2 370 Archive and 1 340 SS piece right now, would it be better for me to try and replace them for 2 DD then?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/biZafsuUELQpJPTuYYCNER
I'm simming lower by 2.1% with those 2 replaced
daring imp
are the 2 dd higher ilvl than ss?
daring imp
and they sim lower than ss?
strange python
370 chest and helm with archive, 340 shoulder with ss
daring imp
do they have the 2nd ring of traits unlocked?
strange python
tried replacing for 340 chest and shoulder with dd
tight hinge
whats the best way to sim for M+
strange python
well that's why I'm asking, I can't get higher than 340 pieces unless from m+ cache, and I've been screwed 3 weeks in a row
daring imp
well we're all screwed on that man
i can't get anything higher than 340 to drop unless m+ cache
unkempt karma
Same here
daring imp
6 coins on fetid
strange python
I saw that 2 DD was better so I wanted to know if I should switch even if I drop a lot of ilv
unkempt karma
Just testing assa, I love the cleave bit subs burst I miss. Running 2 ss, and one arch.
Wondering If I should work on a 3rd ss
strange python
so always choose higher ilv?
daring imp
for raiding, USUALLY, yes
depends on stat weights/talents too
it's never a solo choice, there are too many parameters
unless you have 2x DD 385 pieces, sim it
for raiding
@tight hinge usually 3~6targets, 40s~1min
strange python
too bad getting a good azerite piece is so RNG - did a 10, have to hope I get not only azerite, but a piece I could use
versed finch
Yeah but at least it doesnt completely destroy your spec if you don't have a particular trait
You are gimped but not like it was
daring imp
we aren't destroyed
o_O
by not having ss on m+
it sure helps but you can still do great
the minmax is hurt a lot by the rng
for example
i usually average 13~14k with 3x 340ss
yesterday by accident i was doing m+ the whole day w/o them
and was doing almost the same
lofty sand
I thought he was talking about how punishing legendaries were
tropic heron
so is there any reason to not use deadly poison over the rest of the poisons?
daring imp
no
tropic heron
i thought the healing would be good for pvp but i just take the talent for deadly poison
tropic heron
o _ o
terse pawn
you want deadly on the offhand so you can shiv with it
gilded oak
for 3+ targets, the rotation is ggg, CT, TB, FOK FOK rup, FOK FOK rup?
tropic heron
do assassion rogues even have shiv anymore
terse pawn
it's a pvp talent now
and it just slows
which i guess makes sense since you were never really using shiv in pve
terse pawn
i've played enough korean MMOs to know where this ends
daring imp
isn't lost ark that diablo 3 wannabe?
lofty sand
Im with czerny, I had enough of korean games
dapper moat
does feint reduce dmg taken from contagion on vectis?
terse pawn
lmao
winged veldt
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zealous lily
KMMO is a separate genre for masochists and pedophiles
vestal wren
iirc most korean mmo's have the weakness of beeing to grindy
well wow is also quite grind heavy tho
vestal wren
depends hightly on the content you do
carmine valve
WoW is a big grind locked behind time gating
royal lantern
gear grind is not more then in other games....and thats basicly it? azerite is done by itself and you only need the first 2 traits on each pice(wich you dont even need too farm)
vestal wren
yes time gating is a way they use to impact the pacing
i agree, then more casual you go then less grinding is required
ap is tbh quite well this xpack, we dont run into big grinds there
vestal wren
the power of traits locked behind ap was the problem
terse pawn
even ap was nothing compared to playing dynasty warriors on the same group of mobs for 6 hours straight in BDO
and getting 5% exp for it
zealous lily
neck grinding isn't really a thing in wow
vestal wren
if you had the top damage traits further down in the azerite piece you would have needed to farm IE a lot
royal lantern
thats why the important stuff is always the 1st unlock
vestal wren
as for now, they tuned it down to be extremely optional
royal lantern
the 5ilvl thing is only for unlucky people that where not able too get a new piece
vestal wren
well having the trait balance as is just means you dont care about unlocking higher tiers
what makes the ap system less enaging
twilit skiff
who is good at this spec and willing to help a sad panda figure out stuff?
I sim at 13k, I can only burst for 14k with opener then quickly go down to around 9k. This is on a training dummy so I am literally standing still pressing buttons. I do the rotation recommended in the ravenholdt guides, but still can't get closer to my sim numbers.
If anyone is bored and wanna watch me hit a training dummy and tell me what I'm doing wrong, would be appreciated!
kindred flame
You compare sim to results on target dummy or i am missunderstanding it
twilit skiff
yes that's what I am doing
kindred flame
You shouldn't compare results like that
twilit skiff
oh ok
meager knoll
select no buffs if you want to compare
daring imp
i wish for* a game with BDO's combat system and wow's everything else without azerite traits
royal lantern
isnt BDO unbalanced as hell?
kindred flame
feels and work is not the samge thing
terse pawn
the combat feels nice, the server lag and class balance is ass
twilit skiff
@meager knoll is that no buffs an option in a quick sim on raidbots ?
terse pawn
also action combat doesn't work in large groups
twilit skiff
thx!
kindred flame
Combat is bad, PvP combat is bad as it gets you are dependet on other ppl connection aswell, BDO is the biggest shitfest
terse pawn
it was great if you were like me and rerolled mystic
just ignore everyone else and beat them up
kindred flame
I think this should go to #off-topic
twilit skiff
@meager knoll again tysm! apparently it is not me just being bad then, good to know
carmine valve
Does CT prio Rupture spreading in m+ when above 2+ targets?
when your running with SS traits
or lets just say 2 target
royal lantern
on 2 targets you just hold the CT dot up
so garrote both>rupture both>CT>envenom til stuff runs out
wooden pebble
So i wonder, do most people switch between sin and sub for M+ currently, depending on affixes and dungeon?
daring imp
i don't
royal lantern
nope
wooden pebble
Sub for premades, sin for pugs?
daring imp
used to do sub at start but when 3x ss were discovered o boi was i mad for not going sin before
cedar meteor
hero demage works ? he does not want to load a page
royal lantern
bfa sub feels so bad too play imo, im not gonna play that
inner pecan
it's good for low content
wooden pebble
Right okay
inner pecan
But when stuff starts living longer than Blade Flurry duration your AoE dmg is just awful
Good burst, bad sustained
royal lantern
outlaw has REALLY good cleave, but gets problems when stuff is alive for a long time and your aoe stuff runs out
wooden pebble
I have been playing outlaw for a week now, just tried a low key as sin and i was surprised a the AoE damage.
It was reallly good
inner pecan
Sin has the highest sustained AoE of the 3 specs
royal lantern
sub is perfect for fights like zul mythic(srsly, sub is made for that fight) but sin simply feels the best too play
inner pecan
Sub is also really strong in a few dungeons, if your comp can allow it
Waycrest, Tol Dagor, Motherlode are the 3 that come to mind for me
wooden pebble
Actually pretty happy Sin is in a good spot for M+
inner pecan
But sin is playable and really strong in every dungeon
wooden pebble
Neat, all i have to do is farm the Tol daggers now .
carmine valve
so CT only after applied rupture on both targets?
inner pecan
SS pieces are going to be the most important thing for sin m+ @wooden pebble
native mason
im trying to make the switch to sin from outlaw but its hard af trying to find azerite pieces with ss ;_;
inner pecan
3x if possible unless you have to sacrifice huge huge ilvl for it
royal lantern
you should learn too play all specs if you want too push 100% with the class OR if people cry enough and they kill 1 spec for a patch circle
carmine valve
Garrote trait
native mason
xD
inner pecan
Shrouded Suffocation
wooden pebble
Lmfao
marble hemlock
shuriken storm
carmine valve
shadowstrike
wooden pebble
^ lol
marble hemlock
saber slash
wooden pebble
k thanks boys!
native mason
so switching from outlaw to sin, what are the first and basic things should know?
carmine valve
that you do not do the 4th garrote
pallid bluff
1.) go to discord 2.) check the pins 3.) read the guide that has all that information
and then when you have more specific questions that arent in the guide oyu ask here
native mason
i mean everyone has their own style of playing and people pick up tricks that wont be in every guide
for example not wasting combo points on outlaw wasntin the guide i had to learn it from someone else
with certain rtb buffs
meager knoll
maybe they thought it was obvious that you don't waste combo points
gilded oak
isnt the guide heavily outdated?
pallid bluff
as a side note the outlaw guide definetly says when to change your rotation based on RT?B
and the sin guide is pretty accurate for the basic stuff
which is what he was asking
native mason
all i was asking was basic stuff
terse pawn
all the basic stuff is in the guide
native mason
ok ty
gilded oak
except m+ rotation
pallid bluff
he wasnt asking that though. he asked for first and basic things
which are in the guide
if he wants to know about M+ stuff he can ask for that
gilded oak
i think rotation is kinda basic :p
pallid bluff
instead of just being general
gilded oak
like the first thing you do
carmine valve
so in m+ 2 targets are up, garroting both on opener is fine, but should I go with CT above Rupture ?