Gotta get that crystal from deing tho..
#assassination
hollow stone
cerulean walrus
Sounds like a better guild is out there
cerulean walrus
So wait, your IRL friends are ninja'ing?
slender peak
10/10 mythic 0 come at me bros
opaque grotto
No, the non IRL are ninjas
cerulean walrus
Your IRL friends are all butt buddies? 🤔
clever tartan
We give to the person it will be largest upgrade
tropic rover
In the assassin opener, with SS + TB, why do you go G-R-G instead of G-G-R? I feel like my rupture falls off by the time I have to refresh my garrote with vanish since I'm only rupturing from stealth at 3 CP.
opaque grotto
I got a 385 weap so they can suck my ass
hollow stone
Yea. Does anyone in my m+ group meed it? No? Okay, shard
opaque grotto
That’s basically it
meager knoll
you get one extra tick of the stronger garrote
opaque grotto
I mean what can you do, after that we’re using RC loot council though since it tracks all tradeable loot
Sucks that it’s come to that, but whatever
winter fox
cause if you are running EP you get the extra damage from 2nd g after r
silk jolt
two bleeds sooner = more energy regen
opaque grotto
While it’s still empoweed
silk jolt
g-r-g gives more empowered garrotte ticks than g-g-r
opaque grotto
Empowered
silk jolt
g-r-g is just better
opaque grotto
If you’re using Exsang you go G R G Ven Mut R
opaque grotto
Nah fuck TB
silk jolt
chads go tb
tropic rover
I see, I understand that now. So do you just wait then until vanish to refresh the rupture?
opaque grotto
:^)
silk jolt
rupture will have like 6s less than your empowered garrotte
so you dont wait for vanish
tropic rover
Sims for me say TB is better so I'm sticking with it.
silk jolt
never let rupture fall off
lone junco
Would need a 1min sim to compare the agi vs a dps pot.
Cause I guarantee the second pot won't be aligned with vanish vendetta.
tropic rover
Got it okay. Thanks for the info.
sweet flame
Would you generally not hold second pot to line up? Or do you mean in sims?
gilded oak
When simming 3 bosses 40 seconds I'll get only 10% haste. 27%crit and 29% mastery. Isn't that weird?
gilded oak
More than I knew. Thanks!
ruby idol
As soon as you can have 3 rupture and garrotes out haste loses like half its value
gilded oak
do you use FoK against 3 targets? or just poisons and envenom?
opaque grotto
How are you gonna press envenom without pressing FOK
civic forge
is it a dps loss to refresh a rupture that was shortened by exang?
gilded oak
I just thought I use envenom on main target and keep bleeds up on other
civic forge
at pandemic range i mean
opaque grotto
You do
lone junco
Never refresh an Exang until it's fallen off.
opaque grotto
How are you going to get CP to envenom if you don’t press FOK
civic forge
figured. thanks
lone junco
Especially for any haste trinket snapshot.
silk sundial
Is it viable to run very low haste and stack mainly crit+mast for m+ if you also have galecallers to make up for the low haste on st?
cyan frost
why does heed my call do only .6 of my dmg overall during a m+
distant creek
I didnt really understand the guides in context of m+. Should I garrote three targets as opener and then go for crimson tempest and try to put out as many ruptures as i can while keeping up garrote and crimson tempest?
verbal nimbus
yea
distant creek
Or how Do I play on 3+ targets?
wheat zealot
A god
silk sundial
OK. I can get close to those numbers with some of the gear I have
civic forge
3 targets, garrote all 3 -> CT -> put ruptrues (i do at least 2 pts) then keep rup/cts up
idk when the point is you just spam CT, but i just keep rup on as many targets as possible
distant creek
Do I even use envenom in Mt or is it wiser to just Spam rupture on as many targets as possible? (as long as they live long enough ofcl
lone junco
@distant creek I would rupture each elite in a pack. Don't bother with the bitch trash.
silk sundial
It's a lose to keep rupture up on more than 4-5 targets iirc
lone junco
Once you have Ct up. And rupture out. You can refresh Ct (in large packs this will come after the rupture). In small pack you hammer env.
distant creek
Ok so 3 garrote -> ct -> keep 4-5 rupture up -> Hammer ct and in small Packs keep ct up and hammer env
lone junco
Yeah. Now. Mix in the exang on first rupture.
With GC.
And then. Add in vendetta vanish on super baddies.
distant creek
Okay
lone junco
Sin has a really good kit.
silk sundial
Do you typically drop gc as soon as you ggg ct?
lone junco
Shit packs get ggg Ct. for easy 20k. Prio st gets ripped for 25-30k. Packs with prio has a blend.
I use GC and Exang every pull.
distant creek
Whats gc?
lone junco
Galecaller. /use trinket.
lone junco
Big haste. 10s. 1mincd.
distant creek
Dont have galecaller and die yet :/
lone junco
Buffs all your gggs. And also snaps your prio exang
I will dump fathoms for a dice when I get one.
lusty dew
so for m+ i should not prioritize haste for M+?
wheat zealot
No
wheat zealot
If you arent running ss with sin idk what youre doing tbh
silk sundial
I want decent dice
lone junco
As strong as legion sub shoulder dfa
distant creek
Btw Do ggg get buffed in hindsight when you use trinket after or Do you use IT before?
lone junco
(Blatant opinion)
lusty dew
i can run 3xSS but i also have a 385 helm with dagger in the back which i use and 2xSS, should i drop that for 3xSS?
silk sundial
Run so many freehold m+ and not a single dice
lusty dew
the 385 sims higher
lone junco
Sim 6t 40s. Then decide.
wheat zealot
Ditb isent terrible for cleave, so maybe
lone junco
The answer is SS.
wheat zealot
But probably ss
wheat zealot
Might be worth it for the single target damage this week if its not too much of a loss in cleave
distant creek
Atm i have a 340 cannon and 370 tf Emblem lol
The rogue is a twink so shit equip unfortunately
wheat zealot
Emblem is on use right?
lusty dew
that was my train of thought, i know it would prolli be best for the trash packs, but even with 2xSS its still strong, and the ditb helps the ST trynnanical boss fights
distant creek
No 8 second haste proc
wheat zealot
Because the on use pvp trink is good, the proc one not so much
distant creek
From using abilitys
wheat zealot
Ah damn haha
wheat zealot
395 rot scour ring w/ socket is my best so far
Creamed my shorts from that one
Lul
weary verge
Hey guys, do we know if raidbots has scaling correct with azerite traits? I just ran a sim and it says AotT gives 6 main stat per stack, in game the item says 10
wheat zealot
It will sim correctly, just a tooltip error
weary verge
k thanks
distant creek
Btw what are some cool shroud skips you guys Do that arent super obvious?
lone junco
If we can ever get the apl to do a ggg r. Or ggg Ct. we can see if it is a gain/loss in 2t or 3t. Post nerf. But until I see it, 🤷♀️
@distant creek my group likes to wipe after cool skips.
onyx leaf
Are u still going for 2 SS azerite traits and the uldir one?
or is there a higher value combination?
signal sonnet
If I have 5 combo points and toxic blades has just come off CD , should I use it and waste the combo point ? Or use envenom the. Toxic blade ?
silk sundial
Wiping after skipping the bridge in underrot...
distant creek
Yeah skip to First Boss underrot and then wipe because someone stands in the sanguine lol
strong plank
whats the benefit of toxic blade over exsang? doesn't it just buff mut and poison damage? does the lower cooldown make it that much better?
verbal nimbus
Stab your enemy with a toxic poisoned blade, dealing (53% of Attack power) Nature damage.
Your Nature damage done against the target is increased by 30% for 9 sec.
Finishing move that drives your poisoned blades in deep, dealing instant Nature damage and increasing your poison application chance by 30%. Damage and duration increased per combo point.
silk sundial
What's bs is the rune carver in sots. You can skip that miniboss but if you wipe to galecaller the rune carver gains truesight
lost wharf
@silk sundial It's supposed to have Truesight all the time o .o
mellow pasture
I got a laser matrix. What two other traits should I pair with it for raid fights. Probably single target. With an ad or two
lost wharf
He had the eye everytime I saw him and I did like 5 runs in the last 2 days
signal sonnet
Does laser matrix take mobs out of cc in m+ ?
silk sundial
Try skipping it the next time, I swear it works the first time lol. We actually skip the galecaller and kill the deepsea ritualist for the orb shortcut in case we wipe to galecaller who is absolutely awful this week with tyrannical necrotic on high keys lol
earnest thicket
trying out Sin, mainly a Sub guy. At what ilvl does exang start over-taking toxic blade?
signal sonnet
@lost wharf dopphe is right - I watched pumpsy do a run the other day on twitch and they had a discussion about it
earnest thicket
just Sim it i suppose?
signal sonnet
He is right °
daring imp
sim it
depends on traits, talents and your overall secondary stats
too many variables to just pump out "exsang is better when x and tb when y"
sweet pecan
so how exactly does exanguinate work/fit in the rotation? ravenholdt only mentions it during the opener
daring imp
refresh dots > pop
alpine rain
arent stat prio for exang / tb way different tho?
rustic gyro
Making the swap to sin after I realize how bad my bits traits got nerfed for sub. Sad I didn't farm up SS pieces so for m+ all I have is a 355 chest and 330 shoulders lol.
rustic gyro
Guess I gotta try getting a leather group to get 340 shoulders. And gotta find out if 340 helm would be better than my 370 helm
daring imp
for M+ it's great to have 3
signal sonnet
It's strong but st bossfights there is better
earnest thicket
Okay so next qestion. Elaborate Planning/Envenom uptime. How important is it?
daring imp
likely best trait for M+
but speaking mainly raiding ( a.k.a. no restealths ), there are surely stronger ones
onyx leaf
what would u take for uldir then?
tranquil pivot
BfA is now more than a month old and SS-Bug still exists. Fucks me so up.
daring imp
what sims best, with 1 piece of uldir for reorigination array
ideally high ilvl double doses
but good luck getting those
tranquil pivot
I mean Subterfuge Bug, sorry.
daring imp
@earnest thicket well ep is great for increasing empowered garrotes damage
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
rustic gyro
Yeah I meant for m+. Still need to figure out my ideal raid stuff as well. I think 0ss was simming higher than just my chest but I think someone was saying at least 1ss in raid feels so much better
So I might just do that if there isn't a big diff
daring imp
envenom buff is worthy to keep track for double dose only i guess, it doesn't make THAT MUCH of a difference anymore unless you have DD
earnest thicket
So during normal rotation, when vanish is on CD, I should be trying to get ruptures and garrotes casted inside an EP window
daring imp
it doesn't work like that
the garrote/rup ticks with ep up are 10% stronger
when the ep ends, they return to their normal damage
no snapshot with ep
earnest thicket
AH, it's not snapshot at the initial cast?
daring imp
nope
earnest thicket
gotcha
strange python
Question
Do I use envenom right after EP runs out or when envenom buff is nearly finished?
daring imp
when i have enough resources or during tb window i try to fit envenoms inside the last miliseconds of ep
otherwise you just wanna keep envenom buff up
sweet pecan
hold on, exang question. do you wait till the dots you exanged fall off before reapplying them. or do you just reapply them when they are below 30% duration
daring imp
envenom buff pandemics, ep doesn't
strange python
fall off
earnest thicket
ah pandemic
strange python
You let exsang dots fall off, but you pandemic the normal ones
sweet pecan
great ty
silk sundial
I try to pool energy for bursts rather than spamming mutilate/finishers.
Pool to about 150, finisher, mut mut, wait until ep is about to fall off, finisher and so on until I can't keep it up then I pool again
sweet pecan
(yuy more dot tracking)
silk sundial
Multi dotting is fun
earnest thicket
was my first attempt at Sin last night on vectis, just clarifying some things
my parse was awful
timid birch
sweet pecan
i agree, but i would love it if there was a lil dot on the enemy like "exang: rupture" that tells you how long your rupture is gona be exanged for, same for garrote
daring imp
well that's extra work you have to track Ç_Ç
sweet pecan
same with a subterfuge empowered rupture
daring imp
i think
spiral knot
Guys, is there a way to get something simmilar to Infexious sin rogue for the dots ? can't find anything on wagio
daring imp
!wa
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https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
sweet pecan
garrote*
sweet pecan
exang tracking any of em?
viscid pawn
is ss still bugged? 😦
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
viscid pawn
rip
daring imp
@spiral knot no clue which one is that @_@"
spiral knot
ok i'll check in the WA just posted 😃
clever tartan
You lose empowered garrote even if you garrote another target out of stealth?
dark niche
can you play assa without any SS traits? for m+
daring imp
well you definitely can @dark niche , but i assume only on high keys as on low ones you'll have trouble ramping up dots
but SS is really good regardless of the key tho @_@"
@strong plank yea
terse pawn
you don't really need SS to play sin properly but it's a real nice QoL thing
wheat zealot
You need it to do good cleave damage without ramping up
daring imp
well i think 8~10 are alright to consider
wheat zealot
Me, because i dont wanna do 20% damage while dh is doing 30% or more lol
dark niche
man i hate this trait system
terse pawn
DH burst AOE so crazy
wheat zealot
Fr
silk sundial
Falls off quick after
terse pawn
i just swapped to sin from sub because it's annoying that you have to give concessions to go ST or AoE as sub
terse pawn
whereas sin it's basically one build for both
dark niche
i think assa is just better than sub for most stuff but when i dont have any ss traits at all -_-
daring imp
the guy in the group i run with plays really good dh
terse pawn
haha i have a 370 bits piece for sub, but i swapped it for a 350 SS to play sin
rustic gyro
Yeah...I made the swap but haven't actually played sin yet. Managed to get normal uldir SS chest but had to use a blue 325(330) shoulders to get my 2nd SS
silk sundial
I like sub a lot, and it works great under the right circumstances. Sin is just better overall for m+
rustic gyro
I'll try and get leather groups for helm and shoulders I guess
clever tartan
2 is fine
daring imp
for m+ it's really good but you can do decently with 2 too
terse pawn
ah kk
clever tartan
I run 2 and a 385 piece
daring imp
fuck this stupid shitty fetid devourer that never drops chest, all coins on this fucka and nothing
cosmic forge
anyone have any views on : M+ 2 x SS and 1 SoB? how does it compare to 3 x SS ?
silk sundial
I'll try ss, archive and some other piece.
terse pawn
i have 2 and an archive, maybe i'll go back and sim it
surreal rivet
I average like 13.5k in m+ with only one SS
rustic gyro
Well I want 340 shoulders over my 330. These don't even have a 2nd trait
surreal rivet
It’s not mandatory
silk sundial
I only have 1 decent ss piece
daring imp
unless if sob is very high ilvl, @cosmic forge , likely not that good
wheat zealot
I just finally got the 370 chest off devourer this week
daring imp
oh and you must be a god to tab rupture
cosmic forge
@daring imp SoB item is 370. my alt SS item is 340
cyan frost
thoughts on 340 third SS or 385 DD for m+ this week?
strange python
tabbing rupture is easy
tranquil pivot
Guys, what do you think about the Trinket from Temple of Sethralis?
I mean, its Nature Damage!
clever tartan
Take 385
daring imp
@strange python some think popping 3 and just fok spam is good enough, well not with sob
clever tartan
I do at least
wheat zealot
Ss will win over short lived cleave, and since its not fortified, i wouldnt use sob
wheat zealot
Yeah, no ones saying you cant do good with just one or 2, but 3 is optimal in m+ imo
daring imp
^
terse bone
is the simcraft desktop app out of date? i get different results on it than on raidbots
silk sundial
Imo archive > scent for m+
daring imp
both simming same settings? nightly build? @terse bone
surreal rivet
@silk sundial no
terse bone
should i do nightly?
strange python
archive isnt better for m+ than scent
U literally get more agil by applying 3 ruptures
daring imp
it is if mobs die too quick tho
strange python
Well if the mobs dies so quickly, your archive buff wont even build up
surreal rivet
^
daring imp
it doesn't need anything else aside from being in combat to build u
silk sundial
I don't have a decent scent piece so I'm just talking out of my ass I guess lol
daring imp
up*
surreal rivet
Heroic shoulders from zul refuse to drop for me
So I’m stuck with 370 SB shoulders
wheat zealot
Im not a fan of raid traits in m+
daring imp
you'll be comparing having the buff for atleast the emp* garrotes vs building many ruptures when garrotes are almost ending
the 1st one is better for stuff dying quick
the second one for stuff that lasts way more
well i'm not a fan of archive/uldir either
hence 3x ss 😛
cyan frost
does any 385 trait beat a 340 ss in m+ or nah
radiant carbon
seriously wish they just had the reorigination array auto applied on uldir azerite drops. so we can still use normal traits like ss
daring imp
maybe sob on high keys @cyan frost
strange python
When running 2xDD, should I go Master poisoner above Elaborate?
daring imp
ep
strange python
and toxic blade or exsang?
daring imp
your top 4~5 damage dealing sources aren't at all affected by mp
willow folio
I always seem to need more energy Venom rush even an option really/
strange python
@daring imp Oh, so MP only affects the aplied poisons
daring imp
and maybe pb i guess?
junior aurora
Go vigor and apply bleeds zac
daring imp
not sure tho
strange python
yeah was thinking PB
daring imp
ep affects everything
jade patrol
Hi all, is Ravenholdt still a valid source for opener currently? I tried the opener with 2x SS and Exsanguinate on a dummy and my opener is weak af.
daring imp
did you check overall damage on your damage meter addon @jade patrol ? when you vanish the "current fight" starts a new parse on it
wide gale
Do You I have To Activate Exsinguinate During Garrote's Subterfuge ??
wheat zealot
If you are comparing youe damage on a dummy with no raid buffs to your sim with optimal raids buffs its gonna be a lot lower
@jade patrol
junior aurora
It certainly helps to line it up benzzz
daring imp
well, it is recommended @wide gale since it's the strongest ability ( with subterfuge on ) that you have
wheat zealot
The difference of raid buffs is about 3000 dps with a 1 target 5 minute sim
jade patrol
@daring imp Before the first vanish I am arround 10k dps. This feels very bad.
junior aurora
What are you simming at
wide gale
Sometimes I miss it by 1s Late , I guessThats Why I deal no Dmg
strange python
The opener is on the site
daring imp
junior aurora
Garrote-rupture-garrote-vendetta-mutilate-rupture-exsang
strange python
Galecaller if u have before exsang
willow folio
It that an opener for multiple targets? Why do I apply garrote twice so soon?
junior aurora
Yeah im using TB until i get a gc
daring imp
that's for raiding
daring imp
a.k.a. st
garrote twice so soon is to extend its pandemic duration to the max while within subterfuge buff
jade patrol
This is my M+ specc.
wide gale
Wait until Garrote has fallen off entirely before refreshing @daring imp it Said
@daring imp How To Know If this Is An Empowered Dot ? Is There WA For It or What?
strange python
Its empowered if its cast from stealth
daring imp
!wa
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strange python
Or suberfuge buff
daring imp
mizerok's WA tracks it but you should know who you casted it
since it's like something that happens only on opening and every 2min
junior aurora
Horkst maybe try the toxic blade opener and see if that gets you higher results on target dummy?
Might be a haste thing
wide gale
Why Some Dots Become Empowered ??
strange python
...
nocturne gate
yo i guess people ask this 100000 times but how is my opener(and burst) with master assassin ?
daring imp
shrouded suffocation empowers even further garrotes cast from stealth/subterfuge
junior aurora
Depends on if you are using ss or dd shadow
strange python
@nocturne gate Sim yourself and look into APL
jade patrol
@junior aurora Are there any breakpoints?
junior aurora
No but exsang performs better with more haste
tranquil pivot
Gameplay with exsang feels so awkward for me as a melee... Oo
crisp hollow
do you take exsang if you're running crimson tempest in keys?
junior aurora
You dont bother exsang CT but its good in m+ for priority damage
daring imp
^ ²
hasty sparrow
Also for the energy
crisp hollow
i gotta compare on patchwerk actually i have hella haste now but ive been TB for a while
mortal basalt
!wa
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https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
junior aurora
I find TB easier for raiding bc its less to keep track of but exsang with lots of haste is good af
wheat zealot
Tb outperforms on long fights, exsan is good for shorter fights with the big burst
strange python
Well it sims 400dps more for me on 5 minute fight
It depends on ur 2nd stats and traits
wheat zealot
5 minute fight tb and exsan about the same st, but 3 or 2 minutes exsan is quite ahead
For me at least
jade patrol
Mh, need to gather more haste gear. With PB and TB I am arround 14,2k dps
strange python
Yes but like I said, it depends on traits, second stats, trinkets
junior aurora
Yeah im not using exsang until i get gc, but shrine is awful
nocturne gate
the apl is so strange with MA and TB opener tb after vanish second time env and third time muti that looks strange
gilded oak
Is it a newly updated link this m+ opener? on 3+ targets?
junior aurora
Its not updated but its still true
crisp hollow
exsang still a small loss for me at 1.3k haste, 1.1k crit, 400 mastery and 164 versa
but thats probably cuz traits
junior aurora
SS increases exsangs worth
strong plank
after putting rupt/garrote on say, all 3 targets during cleave, do we FoK? or just pick a target and mut/env
crisp hollow
yeah and i have none haha
junior aurora
Oof
wheat zealot
3+ spam fok
strong plank
cool, i hadn't read that in the pins anywhere so i was confused, thanks
crisp hollow
rn im 370 lazer+385 DD + 340 sharpened blades, if i get array shoulders in any way it'll be 385 head and chest with DD
junior aurora
340 chest?
crisp hollow
385 chest
junior aurora
Theres a 355 pvp chest from conquest with ss on it
crisp hollow
and head
junior aurora
Ah
crisp hollow
with DD
wheat zealot
385 head and chest both with dd? What are you rngesus
crisp hollow
for everything but shoulders, yeah
wheat zealot
I dont even have one 385 az piece yet feelsbadman haha
brisk forge
only got 370 head and shoulders with DD 😛
terse pawn
where do you even get 385 pieces
crisp hollow
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/zuljin/Spiceville in bags is the chest ready to go once I have zul shoulders
junior aurora
Weekly chest
wheat zealot
Same man same
terse pawn
meanwhile i'm still using my 340 rings because 340+socket beats out 370 stuff
wheat zealot
395 rot scour ring w/ socket feelsgoodman
jade patrol
TB alway right after refreshing Garrote and Rupture to get as many Envenom in the time frame as possible?
junior aurora
Pool energy first horkst
Just so that you can fit 2 envenoms in without being starved before you can do so
crisp hollow
zul shoulders allowing me to put that chest on will spike my sim to like 17.1k, the fact that they haven't dropped to a raid of 12-15 leather users every week since Uldir dropped makes me cry
jade patrol
@junior aurora ty again. 😃
grim mason
hybrid mural
https://raider.io/characters/eu/twisting-nether/Seliathan links you to their armory next to name.
high siren
how do you open with master assassin ?
lone junco
Run your sim and read the apl.
rough agate
Is triple DD good or do we still want like 1 archive 1 laser 1 DD
lone junco
It depends on SS. Or Sharp blades. Or tb.
terse pawn
all +15/+16 jesus christ
lone junco
Yeah. Watch if you want to feel bad about your shitter group.
@rough agate sim with top gear. And it depends on cleave or not.
terse pawn
triple SS and HMC lol
lost sentinel
master assassination + exsang is pretty interesting heh
terse pawn
i guess that is good then
lone junco
There is a button for "more options "
gilded oak
In M+, do I CT before i start rupturing mobs? in a 3 target scenario
lusty dew
ive been playing with poison bomb this week, and its pretty strong
are you guys still runinng CT or Poison bomb?
wheat zealot
Ct all day
grizzled harness
CT
wheat zealot
Ct will do 10% or more of overall damage, pb will do like 3%
vital haven
at leasst in m+
terse pawn
i do pb on tyrannical weeks
wheat zealot
Ct is still better
terse pawn
since the DH in my groups takes care of adds
wheat zealot
Yeah pb is trash on necrotic
grizzled harness
Yeah it does depend on your comp
wheat zealot
Or sanguine
terse pawn
pb is only like 3 seconds isn't it
dark token
trash isnt a problem at all
terse pawn
it's hardly an issue when kiting
dark token
bosses are like
lone junco
@gilded oak 3t probably means there is a baddy. Else you would have pulled more. I would ggg rupture vendetta mut mut rupture exang FOK FOK Ct.
dark token
4 mins
wheat zealot
With shitty dps
grizzled harness
If you run with an Arms or with a DH ye
lusty dew
the damage of poison bomb is lower then CT overrall, but on trynnanical week, with the freed up combo points and energy to use on env over maintaining CT would equal out no?
terse pawn
i have a DH and a mage in my mythic group, so i hardly bother with ct
lone junco
If it's a normal 3t. Without prio. Jut ggg Ct. and read some tweets while it does work.
lusty dew
i also run with a frost mage so overall AOE isnt an issue
dark token
i run poison bomb on tyrannical, CT on fortified
mortal basalt
If I wanted to clone a weakaura I have for garrote and make it for vendetta I could do that right just would have to change aura name #?
dark token
best way to go imo
terse pawn
well you'd never use CT on a boss in the first place
lone junco
Then pull bigger. And Ct more non fort trash.
terse pawn
so pb wins by default for that
dark token
no point if you have a good comp
ct isnt even that far ahead on aoe pulls
its only good on like 100000 shitty mobs
lone junco
Seli runs Ct on tyr. So take that for what you want.
dark token
like shrine
terse pawn
yeah for like +16 keys
lone junco
Except kr.
But they mongo pull packs of 25x
Cause the zone moves faster if you cleave the trash.
hardy stirrup
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terse pawn
also the council fight in KR is aids on tyrannical
lusty dew
the hardest thing in KR is the gauntlet trash after teh first boss
at least for us the other day
wheat zealot
On fortified and teeming, yeah
lusty dew
last boss of siege people just need to learn to not push to next phase till everyone is topped off and your healer is ready
ive also seen dps run ahead of tank and get to the add first and then get slammed and die
vital haven
it sucks because we were doing so well beforehand
terse pawn
wait what
lusty dew
ya just take your time with the last boss in siege, its very easy, but easily messed up by most groups
lusty dew
yea in KR's
terse pawn
yeah fuck that thing
vital haven
fuck kings rest in general7
lusty dew
entrance of the room is a pressure plate, when you walk in, thats what activates it
terse pawn
every time i do SoB, it's always 1 person left to fire the cannon at the boss to finish lol
doesn't matter if it's 0 or +10, always ends up that way
mortal basalt
does anyone have a weakaura for vendetta duration?
lusty dew
most people also don't realize that with each platform in seige of borallus the tentacles get more and more HP
so when your at the third platform, all dps should focus the first demolishing add first
then go to the gripping
since 1 dps alone wont be enough
terse pawn
yeah i mostly notice it for the third platform
since i can solo the demo on the first one in a few seconds
but can't do it on the third
lusty dew
yup, so you get all dps on it, burn it then swap to gripping and then you won't be overrun
vital haven
hmm didnt knwo that
kind light
with the new trait nerfs and shit is SS still worth hunting?
terse pawn
usually someone is dead at some point on the third platform lol
and then it goes downhill from there
vital haven
we mainly had one dps on the demolishing and everyone else on the gripping
cedar meteor
must I have Achive active when I want to activate Array or can have other traits and Array is activated?
vital haven
yes @kind light if you run m+
terse pawn
yeah from what i've seen if you don't burn the first demo down, having the second spawn will screw you
kind light
SS>AoT in M+?
vital haven
yes
pulsar goblet
Triple SS still King in dungeons
lusty dew
you need to have archive or laser matrix for array to work
kind light
ss in head piece is eluding me
hasty sparrow
same here @kind light
pulsar goblet
Shrine
hasty sparrow
using LM/Archive in head for the time being
pulsar goblet
Get a 5 man Leather Group to run shrine
kind light
yea but it never drops or is an upgrade for someone else -.-
hasty sparrow
o don't run with plebs bro
kind light
ahh
vital haven
i got a 370 scent of blood shoulder so its not all bad
lyric glen
there is onlyplebs
kind light
is double dose a good enough sub for m+ or scent
terse pawn
all my SS pieces are 340 it's terrible
hasty sparrow
2nd cap on Arena still gives 355 SS right? It's how i got mine @terse pawn
vital haven
i got a 370 and 340 SS
terse pawn
oh right i got the 355 ss chest u rite
hasty sparrow
could be worse
could be one of those Horde/Alliance meme traits
its what i have on a headpiece
terse pawn
oh the flag thing lol
hasty sparrow
ye lmao
mystic mirage
guys i play always sub i change recently in assasination i m 363 ivl and i do only 11k on bosses in uldir if someone can help me with my rotation
terse pawn
there's not really much of a rotation past the opener
hasty sparrow
if u have some saucy logs some big bois might wanna take a look
terse pawn
just keep rupture and garrote up all the time
terse pawn
also depends on the boss, etc.
vital haven
what traits do you have
etc
baseline you should read the guide on ravenholdt
if you havent ofc
mystic mirage
ok how i open for me i do garrot +rupture then vandeta into toxic +mutilate then vanish mutilate +garrot
kind light
garrote x2 if u doing subterfuge
lost sentinel
I been trying to figure out why my dummy tests are much lower than sims, turns out I had all the buffs on and when turned off my dummy tests are ballpark lol
versed finch
G>R>G in opener
vital haven
if you have SS
hasty sparrow
what @vital haven said
mystic mirage
im have twwisting knife +archive of titan + suffo
versed finch
Vendetta TB Envenom
hasty sparrow
oke so then @versed finch is right
versed finch
Mut mut envenom mut mut envenom
north charm
Speak3
mystic mirage
thx cvpse im gonna try in on dummy
hasty sparrow
on opener at least, but low haste/bad rng can fuck u on third envenom in tb window
versed finch
Vanish G>G
vital haven
i personally dont like to recommend this but use TB on cd as well
terse pawn
if you envenom right after your tb you can fit in 3, but it requires you set it up before your tb cooldown comes up
vital haven
idk why it just feels weird to use TB on cd
versed finch
Then it's just maintaining rupture
hasty sparrow
yeah @terse pawn but if he has trouble atm, i doubt he'll pool correctly
versed finch
Pool energy when u plan to use TB
mystic mirage
cvrpse u play eu or Na
versed finch
NA
mystic mirage
damn
hasty sparrow
getting the right weakaura's for pandemic windows helps a lot @mystic mirage
mystic mirage
rosh can u give me one
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solid parrot
so I feel like generally using it on CD is best, and just have to be mindful before it comes up
solid parrot
lol
hasty sparrow
haha been there
kind light
whats the better 2nd teir traits to hunt down now
versed finch
I just try to make sure I have saved energy to rupture just before tb comes off cd
Overwhelming power
Heed my call
solid parrot
lol yeah I was 16/20 on zek
versed finch
Unstable flames
lost sentinel
I use tb on cd but if I have good rng saving me energy might as well wait a second or two
solid parrot
rip fight duration
lone junco
@lost sentinel that very common. Raid buffs add a lot.
terse pawn
like if your rupture uptime is 60% or something
lusty dew
anyone have a weakaura to track emp garrote?
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lusty dew
hmm ty
solid parrot
Biggest thing wow analyzer drove home for me was trying to be too fancy holding abilities to get that perfect line up lead me to losing too many total uses
obviously fight duration has an impact on how you think through that, but the toxic blades and sometimes vanish were big ones
kind light
yea im really bad for not using vanish = /
solid parrot
lol that's annoying
Sometimes also see vanish off CD and pop it while garrote is on CD
need to get my WA to only glow when both up or something so I dont do that
vital haven
it just said you are wasting combo points with poisoned knife on mythic taloc
hexed mesa
vital haven
more?
rocky notch
heed my call vs unstable flames on SS pieces in M+?
lusty dew
it really tilted me when i tried to run across water in sin and found that sprint doenst give you water walking
arctic mulch
i don't remember who specifically answered but thank you a ton for answering my questions about M+ yesterday. Significant increase in dps last night! ❤
dreamy elk
Er, the poisoned wire change on the PTR is a tooltip thing I believe; that change is already Live (if you're referring to the crit rating increase).
lost sentinel
I am guessing the tooltip now affects the next 2 mutilates or something?
now says*
dreamy elk
No?
lost sentinel
it does though, apply to 2 mutilates, not one like the tooltip suggests
dreamy elk
Poisoned wire does? Or are you referring to the changed first strike (which now affects the next two attacks) for sub?
Er, first dance
lost sentinel
poisoned wire makes garrotte increase mut crit rating right?
solid parrot
yeah
hollow stone
Yes
solid parrot
based on my logs w/ 370 chest it's about 10%
vital haven
damn even after the buffs poisoned wire is still not that good
lost sentinel
it gives 2 stacks so it applies to 2 mutilates but the tooltip doesn't say it
lost sentinel
I'm sure it's in the hotfix log somewhere
inner pulsar
Hotfixes dont change tooltips, that is why
split veldt
what are the best arena talents?
potent forge
This is a really stupid question, but if you sit in stealth after a vanish, during combat will your bleeds crit the entire time
With master assassin
lost sentinel
it works
lapis sigil
is SS still bugged? do your garrote applied while stealthed lose the buff if u apply another out of stealth?
lost sentinel
well, I did it on test dummies, also did it with the legendary shoulders in legion, I haven't used it in an actual raid
potent forge
Probably horrible though, would only be useful on pull to have the SS garrote crit the entire exsang window
lost sentinel
could be useful on a very high burn fight, I was having trouble tracking the damage because of how details works vs dummies and dropping out of combat messes it up
silent goblet
Hey guys, kick questions here. In MM+, should i use CT or Poison vial is ok ? Thanks !
daring imp
@lost sentinel just put overall damage
instead of the damage on a single fight
@silent goblet generally ct is best
pearl fulcrum
We Still want x3 SS in m+ right? Also what do we want for single target raid encounters? or raid encounters with adds? Cause herodamage is telling me different from people in the discord
silent goblet
@daring imp Thanks mate ! And so you're using it only for 2+ target right ?
lone junco
Poison wire doesn't give 2stacks per garrote. Just lets you stack it twice.
lost sentinel
I've been using it a couple days now, it gives me 2 per garrotte
lone junco
G g r. Mut tb env mUt
Maybe they changed it since the notes. But I tested a few days ago. 1g was 1 buff. 6 g in a row. Capped at 2.
fading spade
For raids I'm using one DD one SS and one archive. @pearl fulcrum
It does rather well. Burst opener is still 26 to 28k
lone junco
Unless my eyes were crossed. And got 2 on a single garrote. Or they hot fixed it, since the stacking was never documented in the first place.
But g r g. Would open with 2x.
It sucked because MA was only 3 sec.
So the opener is wonky.
verbal nimbus
boy you cross eyed?
lone junco
Maybe.
lost sentinel
I dunno when they changed it, I remember someone else telling me they increased it to 2 a while ago
and then I got a chest piece with it on and it does give me 2, I just now tested with a couple different talents with and without SS and it always gives me 2
elder gulch
is shrouded suffication shitty? should i take archive of the titans over it?
lone junco
Does it stack to 4? Or just 1 garrote 2stacks. 4 garrotes 2stacks.
lost sentinel
it doesn't go above 2
cyan frost
would u replace the ss with someone else given the chance?
or dou think its good
something
haughty flame
outlaw now outperforming sin?!?!?!1
lone junco
G m r vendetta mut vanish tb(waste crit)
G m g r vendetta mut. Ugh. (Wasted a stack)
Pw will not work with SS for sure.
G r g Wasted 2
inner pecan
what level
true thistle
on mythic + dungeons what last talent should i play with
poison bomb or crimson tempest?
tutorial says both, but what about
inner pecan
@true thistle mostly CT, sometimes PB on high tyra Temple or KR
cyan frost
what is considered high 10?
inner pecan
depends
if your group is good or not
Whatever you and your group would consider high basically
For some it might be 10 for some it might be 14
inner pulsar
For me it is -3
cyan frost
is exsang PB a thing? or wold u always want to run CT with exsang
true thistle
i am playing +-8 with my friends
so i do not really know, they are not so pro actualy
with posion bomb i pull like 15k on trash
deep meteor
hi guys, when i sim 4 targets for 40sec for m+, toxic blade sims higher than exsanguinate but every rogue i see runs exsang. for m+ should i stay toxic blade or follow everybody?
fresh coyote
Quick question that I probably can't sim. What would you pick for an M+ 11+ run? 370 Loaded dice, 370 spyglass, 370 galecallers boon, 370 azerokk and 355 fathoms?
im at 19% haste
but im also not running 3x SS, I prolly should
fading spade
Boon is great for bossing this week with tyrannical
little sparrow
If you have 3x SS run gale and exsang
fading spade
And I like dice. At 370 it's one of the best passive trinket procs
little sparrow
It's a TON of haste, snapshots with exsang and makes your burst with 3xSS much better
fading spade
I only have a 350 gale. Feelsbadman
little sparrow
Farming SoS was terrible
fading spade
Yup
cyan frost
is SoS this week pretty shit?
fading spade
Was running 20 or more keys to finally get one
SoS isnt bad this week. Temple is aids
little sparrow
Groups and don't understand interrupts, people who don't get in discord so I can call their interrupts lol
fresh coyote
so I should run 3x SS with exanguinate and GCB/Dice?
fading spade
Yea @fresh coyote
lost sentinel
I ran 9 and 10 SoS this week, not adviseable
little sparrow
I don't see why you wouldn't @fresh coyote
fresh coyote
it's just a feelsbadman moment when you replace your 370 azerite pieces with 340 SS pieces
little sparrow
Probably PB > CT if you're really trying to push the ST damage also
solid parrot
yeah honestly this week if you have decent cleave with you I'm running ST
fading spade
I'm hoping yo finally upgrade my 340 helm
fresh coyote
fathoms is bad in M+ Im guessing
little sparrow
No
fading spade
I've only kept it cuz it has DD which works very well with TB
little sparrow
Nothing is "bad" in M+ but some stuff is just better
fading spade
Sorry to change gears here but I'm failing to see the disadvantage of 2x SS 1 archive in raid.
little sparrow
SS is still insanely competitive, unless your party is like 375 ilvl frost mage/hunter or something
fresh coyote
it's just that there's so much kiting around with necrotic etc that I tend to sometimes lose value of GCB in 11+ M+
tropic furnace
guys, how do you find running crimson tempest and deeper stratagem in M+
little sparrow
There is no advantage to any stacks in raid
You just wear whatever sims highest and unless you're doing bleeding edge content you copy whatever most people are doing on WCL talentwise
inner pulsar
Nah bruh, I do what feels right, Venom Rush all day
little sparrow
"It just feels better, it's not feelycraft I can see the meters" LOL
Waddup @inner pulsar 
fading spade
I always do well on meters in my raid but I'm always looking to get better.
inner pulsar
Just livin' the dream
Crying myself to sleep over not getting a dagger from Mother yet
solid parrot
same bruv
fading spade
Ever since picking up DD I've been running TB over exang
clear jacinth
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little sparrow
Learning how to read WCL is the easiest way to go from whatever % to 99%
solid parrot
did get dag from chest though so I'm not tripping too hard
fading spade
@little sparrow truth. I've been studying them more lately
little sparrow
Cheat sheet: casts -> sequence
vital haven
the amount of SS m+ questions this channel gets is too damn high
someone make a pin or something
little sparrow
Please 
solid parrot
That's tough to pin because it's comp and affix dependent imo
vital haven
i mean
solid parrot
Good ol fashioned think for yourself
tawdry breach
That would be awesome to have a pin for SS
little sparrow
SS is the strongest M+ trait because its versatile
cerulean seal
I changed from Sub to Sin not long ago, and in Sub you should use your finishers at 4 combo points to not waste 1-2 points with one more Shadowstrike
With Sin I should apply the venons at 4 combo points to not waste it too, or always strive to get 5 combo point dots even tho I'll lose points from Mutilate?
solid parrot
Id be curious this week to see if people w/ 385 pieces are subbing for 340 SS
little sparrow
Good ST, good cleave, good burst on adds.. it's just good
solid parrot
on high keys in tyrranical
inner pulsar
@cerulean seal Did you read the guide?
fading spade
4 to 5 @cerulean seal
strange python
@cerulean seal Read the guide 🙂
fading spade
Same as sub. Mut generates 2 at minimum. Max of 4
cerulean seal
Alright! Thanks everyone 😃
fading spade
So if ur at 4. Envenom
little sparrow
I wouldn't be surprised If alot of rogues did, the trash isn't unimportant for timer, you still need SOME cleave
strange python
Its the same
vital haven
no its not
little sparrow
modest zodiac
stiff vortex
hey guys , is there a reson why my meele attaks always op dmg ? and when i looking in my sims the meele dmg is very low
top*
strange python
Right click the target more
vital haven
you need to use the NEW garrote @stiff vortex
wide hawk
was reading the 'updated assassination rogue uldir guide' on wowhead. one of the things they mention is: Ability to talent into execute.
what do they mean by that? 😃
modest zodiac
lol wait do you guys actually spam right click on the target?
vestal venture
@wide hawk blindside
strange python
No mate it was a joke
gusty spire
@stiff vortex try use abilities 😂
stiff vortex
but its not like i dont get the other % of my abilities ^^
inner pulsar
I don't know about M+, but I would say I think that traits matter less than people like to think in Raids. If you look at M Taloc, you certainly see certain traits pop up frequently, but you will also see some very high parses with "shit" talents
modest zodiac
@vestal venture @wide hawk I would say BlindSide is good on ghuun for last phase exec
wide hawk
hmm
inner pulsar
Exactly
strange python
Not all
vital haven
which is kind of good? i guess
inner pulsar
We spend an inordinate amount of time talking about the optimal traits, but it is unlikely to be making as much as a difference as people like to think
@vital haven Well, I think that is their aim
gusty spire
no
gusty spire
i was much more happy with Artifact weapon back in legion..
lost sentinel
We just need more azerite pieces with more viable and more complex traits
gusty spire
good please no
vital haven
i just want azerite traits that change how i play in an exciting way
not fucking dagger in the back
lost sentinel
Yeah more complex
vestal wren
dagger in the back is slightly overvalued in the sim
wide hawk
I liked the big numbers you could get from stacking SB
modest zodiac
We have 3 specs, each of which can be ST or cleave. So that makes it total 6 sub specs. Each one of these sub specs needs 3 potentially different azerite armor. So if you want to run BiS traits you could potentially need to have 18 armor pieces on your char at one time. Now realistically speaking , for many of those sub specs you will want the same traits. In fact, now I have about 8 azerite armor pieces that I switch around when I want to change sub spec and it's kind of tiring especially when I get a new piece that I need to sim for each one of the 6 sub specs.
daring imp
snek eyes
vital haven
tell me about
daring imp
7 sub specs
vital haven
it
daring imp
ayy
inner pulsar
Triage Rogue
gusty spire
i have solution for this.. play one spec OpieOP
modest zodiac
Yeah I was considering the bare minimum
Sin st, aoe
Sub st, aoe
Outlaw st, aoe
daring imp
@gusty spire tried to, they nerfed SS when we did that ...
vital haven
and with the new blue post suggesting that they are gonna limit azerite reforging even more
imma about to go crazy
modest zodiac
Tbh I am mostly playing with Sin ST even in aoe fights and m+. Just picking CT instead of Poison bomb
gusty spire
yeah.. they make something good, and week later ruined it 😄
mortal basalt
is there a macro to make a button exsang if I am specced into it or toxic blade if I am specced into that?
vital haven
yes
daring imp
#showtooltip
/cast [talent:6/3] Exsanguinate; [talent:6/2] Toxic Blade
gusty spire
@modest zodiac same here.. i just find trying play more subspec, too much time consuming
vital haven
hectic add cleave sims taking ages doesnt help either >(
mortal basalt
thanks
daring imp
is it on hit or on ability cast?
tranquil pivot
ability
gusty spire
i have used MBB from eng helm in M+ but it has wierd effect in manor.. while fighting pig boss, trash come from sisters room 😄
tranquil pivot
procs from ability and casts
languid plover
it says "on your target" though
gusty spire
dont get it
lone junco
the soul capacitor pop is belligerently op
gusty spire
ahh
mortal basalt
How do I make the blizzard ui not put newly specced talents on my bar?
lone junco
4p20 subterfuge ggg into gc/exang with a soul cap. you start off like 3x dps above people, then pop to like 15x higher
clever tartan
Hahaha is it actually still working
charred oar
also what talents do people run in m+
lone junco
yeah. with 3ss
charred oar
cool
lone junco
gl
dont bug your garrotes, and you should be 18k dps without a brain
like g g g ct. and /sit
vestal venture
is EP worth in m+
inner pulsar
/lay
charred oar
ct?
vestal venture
or going MP
lone junco
read EP. read MP. and pick the one that buffs your Garrote.
charred oar
garrote on 3 mobs > FoK > rupture on 3 mobs > envenom?
eager spire
!azerite
prisma monolithBOT
Do my azerite traits stack?
The damage part of azerite Stacks.
Other components can be assumed to stack however with some exceptions and limitations.
You can check https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/azerite-stacks/1t-t22-assassination for estimations.
topaz beacon
do . you need 3 SS traits to go that build @ Noobe
lone junco
2 or 3 probably
g g g ct. fok fok rupture exang. fok fok rupture 4 - 5 elites. then refresh CT.
adapt to smaller pulls, but env more.
vendetta prio mobs with the galecaller exang.
charred oar
thanks
tulip wedge
do you guys like SIN in M+ ? I'm just keeping outlaw for AoE M+ fights and swapping to SIN for raid bosses
gusty spire
i have to ask.. which assassination you guys like more? Now or Legion?
lone junco
im undecided.
the ggg is a better tool for m+
but the legion 45sec vendetta peaks are a lot nicer.
GC is way way cool though.
I like sin M+ now, but raid Legion.
nocturne mulch
Okay, is hectic add cleave actually a good simulated approximation for m+? My only access to 3ss would be dropped my 355/370/370 gear to 340s and I wouldn't want to gimp myself in practice if those sim results aren't reflected in the dungeon
gusty spire
i was happy with my high stack mastery sin on Legion, but now need so much haste 😦
lone junco
@nocturne mulch nah. do the 6t 40s patchwerk. turn off raidbuffs.
any SS sim must have all mobs together at pull, and allow restealth once a minute.
versed apex
Wait how do you restealth once a minute?
nocturne mulch
thanks, I'll give that a look see, also in practice is it still that good on tryanical week if I can pull higher dps with my higher azerite gear Single target?
lone junco
@versed apex kill mobs in 40s?
nocturne mulch
@versed apex that part makes sense, restealth every mob pack kill
versed apex
Ahh I see
lone junco
if your tank chain pulls for 6 mins straight, hid behind a rock and hearth out.
nocturne mulch
lol
lone junco
Im not even kidding. I missed one stealth and started to get flustered. missed 3, and I yell.
nocturne mulch
@lone junco is the consenus that AOE traits/talents are better even on tyranical week though?
versed apex
That's like every other tank for me
cyan frost
are you supposed to take tb when you use pb?
lone junco
m+ or raid?
cyan frost
m+
inner pecan
If you run 3x SS no