assassination

[weak pine]

I also got 10k more health from my azerite pieces lol

Now I just need 380+ weapon and good trinkets

[verbal dock]

I was with 370 and 350 daggers, dropped 385 from mother tuesday. Feelsgood

[weak pine]

nice

I already had double 370 from m+ when I rolled my 385 from mother

[dark token]

when u wanna play sin but you dont wanna reforge your chest for 5k then 10k the next day

[weak pine]

Yea reforging with limited availability on traits is just bad design

[marsh wagon]

how do you people let it get to that price x)

[lone junco]

is why im keeping 2ss 1arch.

or 3 ss

[weak pine]

I can't play sub because I don't have good traits or I'd have to reforge

[lone junco]

saw a screenshot of like 1.045m g

reforging cost

[weak pine]

damn

I wonder if it can go above gcap

[river iris]

Is it worth pooling energy around elaborate planning and toxic? or just use off of CD like the guide says?

[lone junco]

TB on cd?

yes. but pool prior if you need enough e to do 2 env.

[river iris]

so pool ike 6secs before to get 2 envenoms is ebtter?

than just using off of CD

[lone junco]

dont drop bleeds.
dont cap E
dont waste cps

if you refresh your rupture like 5 sec before tb, then garrote mut. . . . . . . . . tb env mut mut env

thats pretty standard

[daring imp]

i dunno why the fuck they can't just let us go to safe areas or pop the damn tomes to change azerite traits

[lone junco]

I dont play tb main spec rn. so the times may be a little diff

[daring imp]

"we want to be restrictive" was a shitty excuse from lore

[lone junco]

or have the gold cd 1 hr.

or 12hr

[daring imp]

certainly a smaller cd on gold reduction would be great too

[brittle juniper]

If you’ve a choice between 2 Archives or 1 arch 1 SS what would you take?

[potent rune]

cuz gold is inflated in this game and they need more forms of gold dumps thats why the longboi exists

[daring imp]

well

@_@"

they can do the gold dumps in other ways ( aka longboi )

but they shouldn't do something that restricts the gameplay of a large part of the playerbase

atleast not stupidly like that

[potent rune]

my guess is they wanted gold dump for everyone and not just the rich

@brittle juniper usually I just use raidbots top gear to see the best trait results lol

[round harbor]

in m+ yall tihnk its still worth to run atleast one SS over a 370 archive?

cant decide

[arctic crow]

Yes

[round harbor]

i dont tihnk droipping my 385 BI shoulders would be worth it tho

[potent rune]

i think it depends on your team comp, if u have other good aoe/cleave dps i say u wont need ss and just go for st on boss

[round harbor]

bout to run a double frost dk KR lol

[potent rune]

esp cuz this week is tyran

i will not do that place without a frost mage or druid (mass entanglement) for 1st boss lol

esp for tyran

10+ keys i mean

[brittle juniper]

@potent rune thanks I’ll check it out. Just not sure how low SS is scaling now after nerf figured it didn’t hurt to ask. At least someone answered something other than sim yourself

[glacial mist]

hey so is assassination undisputedly #1 dps for m+?

[inner pecan]

Do you mean out of the rogue specs?

or overall

[glacial mist]

rogue specs

[inner pecan]

It just depends on the dungeon or your comp

[ruby idol]

Play sub in til dagor, sin in everything else usually

[inner pecan]

Personally I play sub in Tol, Waycrest, Motherlode

And Sin in everything else

Unless my tank needs slows in those 3 dungeons I named then I'll play sin

[ruby idol]

Ya I can see that

[glacial mist]

if i always run with a mage

i dont really need the slow right?

[inner pecan]

right

But sin is still really strong in most dungeons

[ruby idol]

If you only want to play 1 spec

Play sin

[glacial mist]

i see gotcha

is the guide in the pinned the best place to look?

[ruby idol]

Otherwise be flexible, depending on comp even outlaw can be the play in some places

[strange python]

when im mass bleeding on a pack of like 8-10

should I still make sure to only rupture with 4+ even if it means doing like another 2 fans

or say I do 2 fans and have 3 combo points should I just rupture and move onto the next

cos atm im just tending to do 2 fans and rupturing with whatever I get on large packs

1-2 depending if first one gets crazy procs

[ruby idol]

3 is fine, it's not really set in stone on big pack like that. Just rupture things that will live long enough and eventually slam envenoms when they wont

Or cts depending on pack size

[strange python]

cts?

[ruby idol]

Crimson tempest

[lone junco]

big packs, i just do the ggg ct. fok fok rupture (each elite). and refresh Ct as needed.

when you have all the ruptures you need, if pack is small, bang out env, if it is big, refresh ct early

[strange python]

yeh that sounds about what im doing

[ruby idol]

I much prefer ggg r exang fok ct

[lone junco]

prob

[ruby idol]

To get energy flowing

And then spread ruptures

[lone junco]

i exang the first rupture.

[glacial mist]

so i undestrand assass is more aoe damage

is that better considering tyranical week?

wouldn't sub be decent on mobs because of fok and evis spam

or does assass highly dps on the trash mobs that its not that bad for boss

[lone junco]

sin doesnt need cds to do like 18-20k dps

with ggg

so you have them for the baddies

[inner pecan]

to be fair sub doesn't need cds either

unless you count 30s Symbols as a CD

[ruby idol]

Sin loses barely any st in m+ talents

[inner pecan]

Sin definitely has better m+ ST over long fights

Sub loses a lot of steam after Shadow Blades

With the DStrat/DS/SecTec build

[ruby idol]

Ya sub loses a bit of st by playing m+ build

[glacial mist]

i see. so i've been doing all my keys as sub

but assass would make them faster? pretty much

[inner pecan]

depends on the dungeon like I said

[ruby idol]

Especially considering there are hardly any bosses that will live for a 2nd shadow blades, but many live for second vendetta

[inner pecan]

it's not as simple as "this spec is best for everything"

[compact mist]

sub is also great for raging in high keys

where sin is garbo

[bitter junco]

is sub and sin always prefered over outlaw?

in mythic+

[ruby idol]

Comp and dungeon dependent

[inner pecan]

not always but generally they offer more to the group

[bitter junco]

ah fair enough

[inner pecan]

Outlaw is kind of mongo-aoe damage

Sin and Sub have more controlled damage, they can choose what targets to burst down

[compact mist]

outlaw has insane aoe damage compared to sin and sub

[inner pecan]

not really

[lone junco]

I could see the BTE causing dr issues on stuns

[compact mist]

yes for sure

you cant argue that

[inner pecan]

yes you definitely can

[lone junco]

but im ok with sin SS. easy and consistent

[inner pecan]

with 3x SS and vanish + CT

sin can do like 35k sustained lol

over like 30-40s

[lone junco]

yeah. and the 1t 20 is really strong with a gc exang

in the middle of the 3ss cleave

[ruby idol]

Outlaw runs out of bf eventually, sin doesnt really lose steam

[lone junco]

unfortunately we dont pull big enough to use scent

[inner pecan]

Outlaw is maybe better right out of the gate but once you get your Azerite in order for both sin and sub

[lone junco]

id love to tab out 8-10 ruptures.

[inner pecan]

They keep up and even surpass on AoE

[lone junco]

it is funny to see the KR last boss ride off with his dino, right after the exang. and rips way over there, while I stand in my gc. waiting.

[compact mist]

aite here a fun question.. why do fights in uldir favour assa over sub?

[lone junco]

depends.

[broken fiber]

boon is so toxic in m+

[compact mist]

where sub sims higher than assassination

on ST

by a bit

[lone junco]

just hammer gc and exang back to back. you dont have to worry about the movement.

[compact mist]

130 for me

[inner pecan]

2nd priority targets @compact mist

Think of Zekvoz, Vectis, Mythrax, G'huun

[lone junco]

mythic zul is clearly sub combo.

[glacial mist]

so

[inner pecan]

Loads of multidotting with a 2nd priority target

[glacial mist]

with my sub i run, archive, and other miscellaneous talents, if i dont have 3 SS is it worth even going to assass?

[compact mist]

mfd sub on vectis could be good no?

[glacial mist]

or can i go assass with archive

[lone junco]

raid isnt 3ss. so nbd

just M+

[glacial mist]

oh yea i meant

assass for m+

[inner pecan]

It wouldn't be bad but I don't think it could keep up with sin

[lone junco]

i would collect the gear, or you would be disspointed.

[ebon prism]

Vectis is for outlaw and sin right?

[compact mist]

let me check logs actually lul

[glacial mist]

340 SS over 370 archive, etc?

for m+

[inner pecan]

Vectis is a sin fight

[lone junco]

in M+ 340ss is fine

[compact mist]

yeh

[inner pecan]

I'm 6/8M I've done all those fights lol

[compact mist]

just want to see how far behind sub is

[inner pecan]

it's pretty far behind

[lone junco]

you can sim it with 6T40s patchwerk (no buffs)

[compact mist]

so basically zul taloc mother

the rest sin

[inner pecan]

you can play sub on Zekvoz and Fetid

Sub is better for small adds on fetid, Sin for big adds

Depends on your group strat

[compact mist]

would you run secret bullshit for zek

[inner pecan]

if you wanna parse

But MoS is better boss damage if you want to kill the boss

[compact mist]

wanna try to get the orange on sunday

[broken fiber]

dont need to play sec tec to get orange

[inner pecan]

If your guild has already killed it and you just wanna padlord parse then the easiest way is to play SecTec though

but I don't recommend it on prog

[compact mist]

yeh we are on vectis

last week so sunday zek reclear and keep pro on vectis

[paper bough]

do we go dagger in the back and DD now or do we still get 1 trait of SS?

[glacial mist]

do you guys have a good guide to reference for assass for m+?

[ruby idol]

Spread dots, restealth as much as possible

That's the guide

[broken fiber]

thanks dad

[past harbor]

my sims show my 355 archive titans shoulder are better than my 340 SS shoulders, but I know it's bugged for SS. would the SS 340 generally be better for M+?

[glacial mist]

@ruby idol talents screenshot? or something 😮

[ruby idol]

Uh. Ep subt vigor cheat wire exsang ct is good default

[ebon prism]

Wait, for M uldir, sub is behind sin by a large margin except for zul taloc mother?

[strange iris]

yes your 340 SS shoulders are likely better than 355 archive for M+

[mint oar]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bYQnCN1moqMUbfA9BeJ9be

lmao wtf

[broken fiber]

[fallen thorn]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[broken fiber]

Mp mfd? are you simming for pvp

[mint oar]

how did they sim 4 dps one from another

[latent obsidian]

is the bfa guide updated for all the current changes?

[hollow stone]

Yes

[latent obsidian]

ok thx

[cedar anchor]

385 SoB 370 archive or 340 SS, what would you recomend for +10s ?

[broken fiber]

Just go 3 ss shell be right

[north leaf]

My sims are showing MA with 2xDD simming above Subt with 2xSS (both with AotT). Does this seem accurate? I feel like its pretty far off

[daring imp]

why do you feel that

are they same ilvl pieces

[north leaf]

They are the same ilvl pieces. From what I've read in most places SS is still the go to for everything

[civic palm]

How can you feel that something is far off?

_>

[north leaf]

The rotation just feels clunky, I dunno how to explain it

[broken fiber]

Oh god DD is clearly the alpha trait. fun detected. Nerf it pls.

[civic palm]

The cropping makes it seem worse than it is.

Considering the raid traits are much better.

and make the gap between DD and DitB look like kiddy-shit.

[viral locust]

WHO ELSE MISSES TEIR GEAR? SHOW OF HANDS?

[civic palm]

Keep your hands down or I will fucking shoot you.

[weak socket]

hand goes up with extreme enthusiasm

[strange python]

hahahhaa

[civic palm]

gets his fucking gun

[broken fiber]

Atleast tier didn't get gutted every week

[viral locust]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[civic palm]

Usually just the once.

or was so bad old tier was better.

[viral locust]

Sub -> Sin -> Sub -> Sin -> Outlaw?? -> Sub -> Sin..?

[civic palm]

Even after they nerfed it.

or is entirely hit or miss..

But yeah just remember the nice shit and spew garbage.

[clever wagon]

is ss still broken in that if you apply an additional non subterfuge garrote it gets rid of the extra damaaage?

[daring imp]

@north leaf since SS nerf that's not the case anymore

it's the "to go" trait for m+ but not everywhere, no

@clever wagon yea still broken

!ss

[prisma monolith]

Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

[clever wagon]

wtf lmao

so annoying

is it more dps to just keep the 3 boosted garrotes in a big aoe pull?

rather than just keep using garrote off cd

[arctic crow]

Definitely

[north leaf]

Does the MA talent suffer from the same bug as SS? Or does pandemic keep the crit bonus on it?

[inner pecan]

what does Pandemic have to do with MA

MA doesn't snapshot anything

It's a dynamic crit buff

[spare bane]

Added duration

[inner pecan]

?

The crit buff only applies for the 3s of MA, it doesn't apply to the whole garrote

It's dynamic not snapshot

[spare bane]

Nvm I only read question quick.

[fast nacelle]

[pastel wasp]

MA hurts when you don’t crit in that window

And waste a vendetta gcd

Fml

[civic palm]

"waste"

[inner pecan]

I think the MA/TB/DD build is overrated as a whole

It sims well on Patchwerk but my opinion is that SS is still the best spec-specific trait for Uldir

because of fight design

[pastel wasp]

@civic palm I hope they bring back tiers

[static sparrow]

Using galecallers on your 3rd TB should you delay the 10 seconds for trinket ?

[civic palm]

I hope they bring back 8p tier and you never get the six you want.

O _O

[wide gale]

Hey Guys Anyone Had This Weird Bug Where He Deal 7k Dps As ASssasination in M+ ???? And Usually you Do 13-14k Dps ????

[north crane]

the rotation changes with master assassin?

[velvet kernel]

should i be trying to get lion gullie/doomhowl

[desert vault]

is it bad that all three of my inner ring are Unstable Flames?

[wary temple]

Without suffocation, can i vanish garrote <4 seconds on opener?

or do i wait for opener garrote to fall off or ~1 seconds before vanish garrote

guide says around ~5.4 seconds

[verbal sorrel]

bruh

what you can do is reapply vanish garrote on 4-5 seconds

and it will be 20-22 seconds

and by the time the 2.5 seconds pass before subterfuge fades

your garrote will be 18-20 seconds

or smth like that

then you just reapply garrote again

and youre at 24 seconds garrote again

so yeah, even without suffocation

for the extra subterfuge damage

[wary temple]

even without suffocation double garrote even on opener?

[verbal sorrel]

opener = double garrote

24 seconds garrote

you get it to 4 seconds

you use vanish garrote

garrote is 21 seconds now

you wait 2.5 seconds

and use another garrote

before subterfuge falls off

[wary temple]

hmm yeah i was doing that with suffocation but it's not simming best for me anymore. So i stopped and followed the guide.

Thanks.

[verbal sorrel]

well what im saying is

you can do that without suffocation

just with the subterfuge buff

[wary temple]

yeah got it!

[verbal sorrel]

ight

[velvet kernel]

why do you double garrote on openeer?

Dont you garrote rupture garrote?

[wet yew]

do you guys spam envenom while tb is up ? eventho you clip ep and envenom buff?

[velvet kernel]

clipping envenom buff does not matter

cause you always want to keep ep up

so its just keeping ep up

or am i wrong?

so it does not matter

[wet yew]

so just spam envenom even tho ep is still 2 seconds up? e.g. muti procs 4 cps

[velvet kernel]

yeah

not point waiting really ?

[wet yew]

well i do it this way, just wanted to verifsy

verify*

[velvet kernel]

cause you cant generate 4 cp instantly

unless you are lucky

[quaint sequoia]

what do use after vanish if u spec MA? envenom?

[teal glen]

today i was testing out MA and my Mutilate generated only 2 CP 4 times

👌

[civic palm]

stop getting parried

[calm tulip]

Is dead eye spy glass good in m+ ?

[teal glen]

no parries

just shit luck lolz

also game crashed on HC zul and when i reconnected i was at zuldazar and couldn't ress

lost hc kill and no drop

[hollow stone]

Meh. There's nothing good from zul for sin rouge

🙃

[teal glen]

the shoulders wouldn't have been bad tbh

[hollow stone]

Im just kidding. Probably bis shoulders and a dagger drop from him lol

[teal glen]

oh lol mb didn't get the sarcasm

[thick musk]

I have 3x ss, or a +15 ilvl helm with archive. Toxic blade sims higher along with tempest on multiple targets. Does that mean toxic blade is better even with 3x ss in m+?

toxic sims like 1.2% better than exang

[daring imp]

the useability of them is different

which one you think is better to quickly burst down some specific troublesome add in the middle of the pack?

[thick musk]

ye I guess that's what I'm asking hm

I mean usually my exangs are 10 sec or more

toxic is 9 so it's similar right?

[daring imp]

given you have 3x ss, the amount exs will contribute in burst will pretty much always outweigh any tb usage in the same time window at* m+ given you're running subterfuge to get the better of garrotes

[dusk sun]

what ppl actually double garrote for the opener

[thick musk]

but toxic sims higher even in like 20/40 sec sims

[dusk sun]

how did i not know of this 😮

[vivid umbra]

does it matter which weapon has which enchant?

[dusk sun]

ideally quick nav is usally on off

but eh doesnt matter

[daring imp]

as much as sims might be right, as i said, 1.2% difference isn't enough to justify quickly disposing of the biggest threat in the middle of the pack by not having exs

[broken fiber]

How is tb evergood, its not your poisons that do the damage

[daring imp]

for raiding it is good, but for m+, on high keys, you'll see you'll need to be focusing down a bit more some adds instead of others

which exs provides much more efficiently than tb

[thick musk]

yeah I'm running exs now just wondering if tb simming higher is worth

[vital crater]

Is laser matrix still good for m+?

[strange python]

Exs burst is so good

I like it more than TB

[tribal marlin]

Taste of blood is good for m+ ?

I have to choice between 340 SS or 370 Taste

[daring imp]

i imagine if your tank is really full of himself and you have a great healer, scent of blood might be good

tho 3x ss is too good to pass

[tribal marlin]

okok thx

[broken fiber]

Saw a rogue using double ss and one scent in m+ it looked pretty good

[dawn dragon]

idk, with double dose, you can TB a prio target and fuck it up real hard too

[broken fiber]

I feel you would get less CT out tho since your trying to rupture everything

[dawn dragon]

but yeah, i prefer the exg / SS build for M+

[quaint sequoia]

what do use after vanish if u spec MA? envenom?

[tribal marlin]

CT?

[broken fiber]

crimson tempest

[tribal marlin]

oh ok

[civic palm]

You MUT ~> ENV ~> MUT ~> ENV after Vanish specc'd Master Assassin.

and pray to your Gods that you crit crit crit crit.

[dawn dragon]

MUT ?

[quaint sequoia]

mutilate

[broken fiber]

I was so glad to get rid of mantle now its back but a more scuffed version with less duration and crit chance

[charred oar]

udir traits still 2x DD +1 archive/laser?

and M+ 3x SS?

[civic palm]

Yeah it's a little annoying but it's at least not something you had to get or parse HORSESHIT without.

Its' also not insane so it doesn't feel like MA is mandatory.

[north crane]

and with MA

the opener is the same?

garrote muti muti rapture?

[nova nest]

so whats bis traits 3x double dose or 1x laser 1x archive and 1x double?

for raids

[civic palm]

opener will depend on if you crit or not

[nova nest]

😕

[wet yew]

atleast one for the uldir buff, the reorigination array

[cold meteor]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qNqELRvjg2mgYLfuZggKEL

15k club

[nova nest]

traits?

[cold meteor]

DD Archive SS

[nova nest]

still dont have 1 uldir azerite trait

cleared every week and 4/8 H 2 weeks

and lfr

feelsbad

[strange python]

what trinkets do you guys prefer for m+, i got my galecallers finally but it seems lame to use in any dungeons with movement (necro week 😦 )

probably the glass trinket with crit

• dice

[charred oar]

!traits

[broken fiber]

fathoms and boon this week cus tyrannical

trash dies insta so its w/e

[charred oar]

@broken fiber in regards to m+ (and udir aswell i guess) how superior is assassination to sub

cause im debating swapping

[lime panther]

Simulation:
Report: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jHMeYcm9jEq3Ceb1zMPNaV
DPS: 15,505
Elapsed Time: 00:20.

meh

[nova nest]

traits?

[lime panther]

double arch / twist

lose dps if I change to anything else since the az are all 370

[nova nest]

ah nb

[lime panther]

Raidbots
Quick Sim - Yamsa - 15,586 DPS - Raidbots

highest I can get too

that's tb / subt

[charred oar]

so 2x archive + twist the blade > 2x double dose + 1 archive for you?

[lime panther]

If I had any DD I'd do 1 arch 2x dd

[charred oar]

cool

[lime panther]

but this is what I got out of like 11 az pieces that sims the best

2x arch sims higher then 1 arch 1 sharpened also both 370 so

but now my opener is like gar gar mut rupt / ven - mut - tb env - mut - mut ev etc

[north crane]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pAB2Rr8Kv4p4vy9hNezrmq

[slim sand]

Are people still using Iron Wire??

[tacit cedar]

Does exsanguinate make all your bleeds on multiple targets tick faster? Or just on main target?

[lime panther]

main

[sweet sedge]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/98X6XehrRZKMPs3Jpbzi9X this is my sim... i currently hold about 10.1k in a fight... is that within the margin of error u think? or should i be pulling higher numbers

[tacit cedar]

So in multi cleave just make sure to have your main target have full bleeds then exsanguinate?

[lime panther]

yeah

[broken fiber]

thats a 5min sim.. most uldir fights are longer than 5 min

[tacit cedar]

Cool thanks @lime panther !

[iron pelican]

anyone have a WA that tracks your dots on multi dotting fights? when the bosses healthbar is too high to see i lose uptime

[broken fiber]

sim for like 7 mins or so and see what you get

[jovial adder]

2ss and either ss or archive for raid?

[tacit cedar]

Is there a way to sim for mythic+ through simc or raidbots?

[golden mulch]

6T 40sec no buffs

[tacit cedar]

Thx!

[civic palm]

Take SS and Scent, ezpz.

[echo garnet]

I'm strugglin' here. Straight up struggle bus. I have fuckin' ZERO haste.

[zenith cedar]

I sim 15.5k everything is ok

[broken fiber]

Have you tried getting some haste

🤔

[frigid sleet]

you must pull some crazy shit in m+ then

[echo garnet]

I need to try harder.

[zenith cedar]

1300 haste

does the job

[echo garnet]

No I'm only 346. Like a hot dumpster fire right now.

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/stormrage/Spicysouce

Just call mastery.

That's all it is.

God help me.

[broken fiber]

Just get a boon, you'll be right.

[echo garnet]

😐

[zenith cedar]

The best way to gear is to just pick the biggest upgrade and spam 10 keys until you get it

then pick the next biggest upgrade and repeat until you have 370 ilvl

[supple compass]

what spec do you guys play on ghuun, im about to do hc for the first time, does any of them have a specific advantage

[echo garnet]

So I go and do the arathi world boss

Covered in all this mastery

[finite mural]

@supple compass Assassination seems pretty decent on G'huun, if you're down the bottom putting Rupture on every single tentacle

[cobalt flame]

In m+ , do i spam tempest on bigger packs or just refresh the dot part

[tribal marlin]

dps on p1 is pretty irrelevant

on g'huun

[lofty sand]

In m+ you do whats best for your group, I usually run with a DH and a Arms warrior so since its tyranical week I run poison bomb

since aoe is not really a problem

[warped inlet]

Need some protips on how to take less cleave dmg from general trash and bosses. I'm not noobing it up and standing in front of bosses or trash but my healer still complains.

[lofty sand]

other than that CT is usually keep on 3+ target, spam on 5+

[sour trout]

whats the opener with 3x archive?

Garrote -> Mut -> Rupt?

[bright vessel]

you'll all be happy to know, after your advice last week, i went from gray parse on fetid, to blue 😄

thanks again for the advice ❤

[lone junco]

@sour trout run a sim of yourself, and read the APL output.

and dont play 3x archive.

[sour trout]

i sim highest with 3x arch tho =\

[lone junco]

that would be odd, but ok.

probably just ilvl.

[sand notch]

Is it worth sacrificing ilvl for SS in M+? I see a lot of people run 340 to get the triple stack. I'm running 385 DD, 370 Archive, 355 SS, not sure if I should swap the DD and the archive for lower level SS pieces

[hollow stone]

What are the sin trait options on the archive pieces? None are better than archive?

Give it a try. Swap out the dd for 2x ss. And feelycraft it. It should be better imo

[sand notch]

Yeah, I'm sort of thinking that it would be

[real night]

What's DD?

[spiral snow]

double dose

[real night]

Is that actually good now?

[spiral snow]

best ST trait

[lofty sand]

Is archive even good outside of uldir?

[dreamy wagon]

until next week

when they nerf that

[spiral snow]

good question on archive, does it rly work that well outside uldir?

[civic palm]

We're probably not getting anymore nerfs that will influence trait respeccing

[broken fiber]

you would be surprised

[civic palm]

In this case yes, as there is no more need for trait nerfs unless the raid buffs are a little too much

[vivid umbra]

should you still double garrote without ss

[north crane]

no

[lone junco]

@sand notch Dd is literally mutilate. On an env buff.

Not only do you only mut in st. I don't even envenom until after ggg Ct FOK FOK rupture x5 FOK FOK Ct. then I might env.

so think about dd.

[mint oar]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[lone junco]

@vivid umbra if you run SS. You are using 2 or 3 garrotes.

G r g in st.
Or. G tab gg. In 2t.
Or. G g g in 3t

[vivid umbra]

then never again until one falls off correct?

for 3+

[lone junco]

Yes. At the 18-20s mark

[rocky notch]

how do you use exsanguinate on 3+ target packs

if you g g g

[lone junco]

G tab. G tab. G r GC exang.

Or you can do it after the Ct.

G g g Ct FOK FOK r GC exang.

That's my pref.

[rocky notch]

makes sense

depends on mobs/key i guess

[lone junco]

After that exang you can tab out ruptures.

Exang in trash is energy gravy. Exang on a prio with vendetta is murder.

[stable rover]

what's GC ?

[lone junco]

Galecaller trinket.

[stable rover]

Oh ok

[lone junco]

Exang snapshots haste. So a big /use haste is a big deal.

And the 1min cd is prefect alignments.

Every pack. Every time.

Raid sin is surprisingly boring rn. But the m+ is fantastic.

@civic palm did you see me jerking over the timewalk memes I was doing?

[broken fiber]

Tbh i find sin in raid way more fun than sub. Sub isn't fun. spamming shadow strike every global living ind ance. clunky outside of dance.

[crisp hollow]

nothing clunky about it, just not a spec at all outside of dance

[north crane]

now i have 2lasermatrix/1 archive, without SS its strange to use exang in m+

[lone junco]

Yeah. It's just e then. No real damage I guess

[broken fiber]

feels like pressing back stab uses the whole energy bar

[civic palm]

@lone junco I think so

[lone junco]

I went to get soul cap. It was totally worth it.

[civic palm]

pffft

[lone junco]

4p20. 2ss. Sephuz. GC. Soul cap. Exang into Ct.

Then SPLAT

Good memes.

[opaque grotto]

yeet

[lone junco]

Okurrrrr

I think.

[broken fiber]

https://gyazo.com/4a982f496af8eaa97fc2f4524b58dd4c

[wheat zealot]

just finally getting my aotc, feelscasualman

[sour trout]

before exsang -- do we refresh dots even out of exsang range?

[safe matrix]

!warn @strange python blatant promotion is against the rules

[onyx falcon]

@ noobe, could you imagine.... 4p T20 360+ Titanforged set

:O

[worldly pelican]

!ss

[prisma monolith]

Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

[plain thistle]

vectis down 😃

almost perfect kill

[civic palm]

👍

[strange python]

Do you run Vigor+Poison Bomb or Deeper Stratagem+Crimson Tempest for higher M+?

And do you wait until the Crimson Tempest DoT runs out or just use it on 6 CPs?

[obtuse viper]

on how many targets do you prioritise ct over rupture?

[plain thistle]

@civic palm

[tribal marlin]

I also wonder if I should play with PB and play around SoB trait (I can only run 2 SS + 1 SoB)

[strange python]

@obtuse viper 4+

[civic palm]

19% Mother O _O

[shell pollen]

what settings do you guys use on raidbots to sim m+

hectic add cleave and multiple bosses?

[tribal marlin]

multiple boss no bloodlust

[strange python]

@shell pollen Please whisper me if you find it out.

[civic palm]

Just look at RIO > _>

[hollow leaf]

tfw you hit 120 literally 10 seconds ago

my luck is over boys

[round harbor]

lets play a game

its called what did i fuck up

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Dj49AKtapgZ2qkrN#fight=4&type=damage-done&source=11

see if you can find it

[dusk quartz]

So I sim for 11k dps, but only pulled 8.6k dps on a target dummy. Is there a good way to check what im doing wrong in my rotation?

[lone junco]

@onyx falcon 4p20 was still good pre SS nerf. Now it's dead. But in tw. Everything is the same ilvl.

@shell pollen 6t patchwerk. 40s. No raid buffs.

@dusk quartz missing monk and dh and list and warrior.

[onyx falcon]

i mean, M+

XD

[lone junco]

Yeah. I was using it around ilvl 345

[broken fiber]

you're simming with raid buffs. I dont think you will have all that on a dummy.

[onyx falcon]

think i still have my 4p20

[lone junco]

Before they nerfed SS.

[hollow stone]

Fuckin good guy noobe going off

[onyx falcon]

i should try a dungeon >:)

meme it

[lone junco]

In timewalk is it crushing.

[hollow stone]

Givin all the advices

[dusk quartz]

Oh yeah raid buffs. dur

[onyx falcon]

fk i still needa do that =.=

[lone junco]

That soul cap made me lol so hard.

[hollow stone]

Dont forget your sephuz for timewalking 😃

[lone junco]

Ye.

I tried to get glaives.

But only have 1

But with green glaives and warsong enchant. Would hit 150% haste prob

Ggg Ct. FOK FOK r. No mut necessary.

Heard a guy was using them in prepatch for high m+ as outlaw. For some fantastic memes.

[vocal dock]

warglaives set bonus works in timewalkimg?

[lone junco]

It should. And the warsong haste enchant can go on them.

Accidentally started a tw with 3p 20. And the first pack took forever. Like a m+ fort group.

Then fixed my shit and it's super lolzy.

I'll prob just get another cloak in my box. But hoping for a wep.

@round harbor

Took longer to snap that on my phone.

Took like 3 sec.

[broken fiber]

Cata daggers work in timewalking?

[lone junco]

Def Should. Some of the older tier says disabled.

But just take it with you. Anything to make them a little less miserable.

I'm still working on getting the water bug mount. So I do them each time there is a weekly.

[round harbor]

well, thats not ideal

but i was more talking about how i accidently replaced envenom on my bars with rupture

[lone junco]

Looked like There were like 0 env in the whole log.

Lol

[round harbor]

^^^^

[lone junco]

Nice.

[chilly apex]

is there a way to stop missing on the boss?

[trail root]

the set bonuses for the Fangs of the Father are still greyed out when in TW, I still used because of sockets

[chilly apex]

like the auto melee attacks on raid bosses it says i'm missing like 16%

or a way to minimize the misses?

[round harbor]

stadnign behind

but thats not always possible

[chilly apex]

yeah but it still misses even when you stand behind the boss it seems

[lone junco]

I skipped cata and mop. But those fangs bonus looks like the outlaw artifact curse. Bang out for 6sec.

[round harbor]

https://gyazo.com/e1494ab85208408cc64c66e8db58e1f2

thats mine form this pull

only 1%

but that is likely from hitting the add in the face

[chilly apex]

and the other question i had was my ae rotation

its recommended that you should be using FoK if there are 3 or more mobs

should i be putting the combo point dump into ruptures or envenoms or both?

[lone junco]

M+?

[chilly apex]

because i feel like my ae rotation is so much lower

M+ or raiding

[round harbor]

2+ i thought

and enough ruptures to generate postive energy i thought was the rule

so i rupture like 3 targets + garrotes + CT

[chilly apex]

because how i'm doing it is stealth => 3 garrotes on 3 different mobs => dump cps into rupture on one and then fok and rupture another

[round harbor]

its hard to manage much more than that

[chilly apex]

and keep garrote on the focused target

[round harbor]

are you not running CT?

[lone junco]

It's 2+ for FOK. And I tab out >=2 cp ruptures on all elites.

Then refresh Ct.

[chilly apex]

on M+ i do run CT

[round harbor]

i go

g g g ct fok r fok r fok r fok fok ct

idk if thasts correct, but its what i do

[chilly apex]

because i cannot find a decent rotation for the ae rotation

[round harbor]

assujming 3 target+ cleave

[lone junco]

It's prob fine with larger pulls. 1cp rupture not worth much.

[round harbor]

im crit heavy

[chilly apex]

so optimally how many ruptures should be going on

[lone junco]

Can GC exang the first rupture.

[chilly apex]

because i'm also crit/haste heavy

and i'm either under-energy or overcapping energy with 2+ ruptures and +2 garrotes

that FoK isn't really using the energy enough

and i'm at that point with a surplus of a shit ton of CPs and Energy

i also read that you should be using toxic blade if you have it

[lone junco]

Good problem to have. Sounds imaginary.

[chilly apex]

or exsang

[lone junco]

But if you take tb. You should use it.

[chilly apex]

tb and focus one?

[lone junco]

Most use exang in m+

[chilly apex]

with say vendetta rotation?

[lone junco]

Due to SS. And e return for aoe spam.

[chilly apex]

hmm

[dire spoke]

don't listen to noobe, he never saw a +10

[chilly apex]

lol

[dire spoke]

[chilly apex]

so noobe what would be the rotation say on a zul for instance

where there's cleaves for the kawgs and the crushers

because my damage on zul alone is solid but the cleave damage is pretty much shit for me

[lone junco]

I have 10 fingers.

[chilly apex]

?

lol

[dire spoke]

you play sub on zul <_ >

[chilly apex]

a lot of people play assassin for it also

😮

[dire spoke]

on heroic?

[chilly apex]

yes?

[dire spoke]

nevermind then

vanishes

[chilly apex]

i mean i could see why someone would go combat > assassin on that

because on demand crazy cleave does mad dmg

[round harbor]

lol

[chilly apex]

but i don't know how to optimize my rotation for zul

[lone junco]

Mythic Zul is sub only.

[round harbor]

i was about to say if you play sin on mythic your actually throwing

[lone junco]

The others are different.

[chilly apex]

@round harbor why?

[lone junco]

@dire spoke don't you worry about me.

[chilly apex]

could you explain why assassin < subtle on mythic

?

[civic palm]

Because as SUB you can do 50% more DMG without any added effort.

[chilly apex]

?

[civic palm]

What?

[lone junco]

Storm combo off the crawgs. Pumps st on boss.

[civic palm]

Their kit is made for it.

...

[chilly apex]

hmm

[lone junco]

He probably hasn't played sub.

[civic palm]

Yeah.

[chilly apex]

i haven't played sub

which is why i'm confused

[civic palm]

Even with the experience you have as SUB you still would do good DMG after like...

5min of reading.

[lone junco]

It's a decent self buff st. But. In cleave it is a god st

I played sub on host.

And m+. Lol

[chilly apex]

hmm

[lone junco]

Was really a fun meme

Shoulder dfa.

[civic palm]

Like, the DPS demand on M-Zul I think has made the largest difference in seen Specs for that encounter than any other encounter.

Lots of OTL in Heroic -

[chilly apex]

yeah i see how outlaw would work

[lone junco]

Mongo cleave.

[chilly apex]

lol

[civic palm]

You get replaced on Mythic

[chilly apex]

interesting

[civic palm]

The time-to-kill for M-Zul is so low because you literally tunnel the boss, look at that fucking DPS.

Almost 2x over Heroic.

[lone junco]

And sub won't work if your team deletes the add

[civic palm]

Yeah they have to leave the Crawgs up basically.

[chilly apex]

no we cheese zul on heroic

cc the hexers

[wanton wagon]

Anyone got WAs for tracking ruptures and garrotes for multitarget stuff?

[chilly apex]

and cleave crawgs, crushers

[lone junco]

Is that Cleese?

[chilly apex]

and force him into a quick phase 2

[lone junco]

They are cc able.

[civic palm]

Well it's against the intended strategy I suppose.

traitz > _>

Just get moar statz.

[chilly apex]

we had a really, really fast clear on zul heroic last night

but i'm confused how i could do more dmg as assassination

[lone junco]

Vanish g g g

[round harbor]

press ur buttons

[chilly apex]

lol

[dire spoke]

If you're on heroic Zul and don't care about the kill or focus damage you can cheese alot with CT and keep bleeds up on Zul+Crusher ... but that's log play which is bullshit. For real mechanics keep bleeds up on Zul all the time and focus bloodhexer, you can FoK if adds are around - if you don't care about getting carried because sin is trash on this

[civic palm]

Yeah better opener. If you are looking at doing more DMG then you need to DoT more.

But that's not really how that fight goes IMO.

[chilly apex]

hmm

so is currently subtlety > assassination in heroic/mythic?

[lone junco]

We grip the hexer in one at a time.

[dire spoke]

no

[lone junco]

No.

[civic palm]

_>

money on them just not killing Crawgs the ENTIRE encounter > _>

Oh no wait, EVI hits hard as SUB

Still > _>

[lone junco]

Don't they explode over time?

[dire spoke]

if you're okay with the class you choose the spec for your job/encounter

and that's basically how competitive play works

[civic palm]

Yeah they do shit @ 100% NRG iirc.

[strange python]

yeah 100% is a pop

[terse pawn]

is the sin opener still GRGVMRE?

[strange python]

if you use SS

[terse pawn]

even with 1 SS it's still that right?

[civic palm]

Should be yeah.

[lone junco]

Yes. Vanish gg later.

[lone junco]

I played knife for a day. Glad that shit is over.

[civic palm]

Yeah nty.

Hawt garbage.

[terse pawn]

sharpened blade?

[chilly apex]

twist the knife

?

[civic palm]

Twist is fine.

and not cancerous.

[strange python]

im guessing he meant SB

[chilly apex]

are you talking about sharpened blades?

[lone junco]

Yeah.

[terse pawn]

one sharpened blade is actually decently fun in pvp

[civic palm]

Considering the "Poison Knife" component of SB 😛

[terse pawn]

you can do fadeaway knife throw kills

[chilly apex]

i'm currently using archives +10/+12 and double dose

[lone junco]

They fucked up MA. 50% or 3 sec. not both.

[chilly apex]

so @dire spoke you literally swap for every fight in heroic/mythic uldir?

because based on parsing for instance taloc is pretty good for assassin

but mother its heavily favoring combat

[dire spoke]

I play sub on fetid and zul mythic

[lone junco]

Are you in on mythrax?

Seems horrible.

[dire spoke]

we're on zul progression rn

[chilly apex]

for heroic?

we're at mythrax

[lone junco]

Gl. Have 7subs ?

[dire spoke]

for heroic nobody cares because it's faceroll at our level

[civic palm]

lol

[chilly apex]

interesting

do you have warcraft logs

[lone junco]

I'm still 356. They are almost 376

[chilly apex]

do you mind if i look at some of your replays to watch and learn?

[civic palm]

He should you creep.

[dire spoke]

on mythrax I'd recommand sin due to running

[civic palm]

How would he stop you? 😛

[lone junco]

Just look.

[chilly apex]

i'd rather ask than creep on someone lol

[ember coral]

How should I use exsangue? Garote >rupture>exsangue?

[dire spoke]

I don't think I have good logs, I don't pot on heroic

[civic palm]

Probably the least creepy things I can think of atm, it is public and whatnot.

Kinda MEANT to be looked at, yaknow?

[chilly apex]

he's the sempai afterall lol

[civic palm]

He's also a fucking clicker.

So...

yeah.

[cunning needle]

i bet he keyboard turns as well

[chilly apex]

wait huh?

[civic palm]

What?

o _O

[chilly apex]

are you guys in the same guild or something?

lol

[civic palm]

No but we talk a lot.

[lone junco]

Rank 1 clicker.

[dire spoke]

but he never asks for a date

[lone junco]

And they have been rogues for more than a month.

[civic palm]

I've got a very aggressive lady already Zemp O _O

[ember coral]

How should I use exsangue? Garote >rupture>exsangue?

[lone junco]

Is there a portion in the guide about it?

[dire spoke]

Is this still a thing?

[civic palm]

heh

I wanna say that most of the time you want ~90% of your bleeds ready for EX.

[ember coral]

So I just put bleed, then exsangue right?

[civic palm]

Unless they're still pretty fresh.

[dire spoke]

basically you want them to be closest to max duration for exsa, then you don't touch them until drop

that's exsa

[civic palm]

and line EX up with Vanish + Vendetta as much as possible.

IIRC every 3rd EX should line up.

[dire spoke]

yeah I think you delay Vendetta there or something, was very weird most of the time

[civic palm]

Wanna know what isn't weird?

Toxic Blade.

You press it.

[dire spoke]

°-°

on CD?

[civic palm]

on.

CD.

Fucking refresh DoTs during it if you want.

[dire spoke]

cool

[civic palm]

Had multiple 17k DPS sub 20% M-Mother wipes >_>"

Fucking...

people.

[ember coral]

So the opener is garot, mutilate, rapture , vendetta, EX, right?

[civic palm]

With SS or?

The openers in the guide are correct.

[dire spoke]

well you do more damage at the end

[civic palm]

Yeah.

I just needed like...

2 more DPS alive?

Maybe.

[chilly apex]

is there ever a point where you have too much haste?

lol

[civic palm]

Not that I have seen.

[dire spoke]

@ember coral can you check the pins? or find them in this channel

(:

[civic palm]

I do think my AGI is higher than everything else again.

[ember coral]

Yeah sure 😃

[civic palm]

Yeah it's winning again > _>

[chilly apex]

lol i obssessively sim my character

i need apparently more haste still

[dire spoke]

Don't worry too much about opener/rotation, if you handle the basic idea correctly you're fine because it's not a big of a difference in dps ... all specs have gotten completely unskilly after like cata to a point now where it just doesn't really matter anymore

[civic palm]

If you do your burst windows right, you will be more than fine.

[dire spoke]

giga fine

[civic palm]

You won't orange parse, maybe, will be close for sure.

At that point it's more about knowing what you are doing boss wise.

and when/where you should be DPSing.

Just go mongo and blame the healers IMO.

[viral locust]

t e i r g e a r b o i s

[cunning needle]

i swear, the more haste i get, the higher haste is weighted for me

[civic palm]

Yeah.

[primal gazelle]

you can never have too much haste

[dire spoke]

If you drop too much crit for CP procs you gonna starve pretty fast

change my mind

[civic palm]

Just have 25% crit.

ezpz > _>

[obtuse quiver]

i thought you were supposed to use exsang if you had ss traits, i have 3 and toxic blade sims higher

is that weird?

or was i just mistaken

[civic palm]

Seems fine O _O

If you are Simming higher one way and not the other, and nothing is broken, things are fine.

[obtuse quiver]

right on, thanks 👌

[civic palm]

Shrouded Suffocation is designed to be a trait that is used with repeated stealthing.

Like you would see in Dungeons.

Your application of Empowered Garrote in Raids is very limited in comparison.

[obtuse quiver]

yea i'm just running m+ right now

on that note do i just drop 3 garrotes? or do i stop to rupture at 5 cp

[civic palm]

Yeah crushes there.

[obtuse quiver]

assuming 3+ pack pulls

[civic palm]

For dungeons;

G G G CT, FoK Rupture, FoK Rupture, FoK Rupture, FoK CT

on 3 targets try to keep Envenom up and CT on 4+ CP.

You will want to Rupture more if you have any Scent of Blood traits but for the most part you want to generate enough Energy per second (35) to always be able to Fan of Knives.

[obtuse quiver]

you da bes

thanks again

[civic palm]

NP 👍

[quaint hawk]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/illidan/yabizzle#difficulty=3 guys my gm isnt proud of me, can one of you be please?

[snow orchid]

nice normal logs

[native bluff]

Hey guys - sim at 14.4k on patchwork sim but my logs on bosses suck. Really appreciate any feedback on what I can improve to help my guild progress and be a better rogue in PvE. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/XQj2WhwfKLqHnbrM/#fight=18&type=damage-done&source=15

Apologies if I didn’t link u directly to my data u want to review to offer feedback. New to warcraftlogs

[lost horizon]

@native bluff if no one else gets around to helping you out DM me tomorrow or ping me here or something and I can take a look for ya

[astral hound]

Garrote still bugged?

[vital fractal]

is it important to have highest dps weapon in mainhand as assa?

[strange python]

can you pandemic exsaguinated dots safely or need to let them tick out completely?

[primal gazelle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rfwSNtwZMWkJvF5ggcaKDK

lol, when switching to a SS trait of the same ilvl is a dps loss

[jade patrol]

Hi all, Is the assa guide and opener still up to date on Ravenholdt.net? I switched to Assa yesterday and haven't played it since ages.

[thick musk]

garrote bug doesn't apply to exang right? like if I exang a regular garrote, and then garrote another target

[sour sonnet]

Anyone have a WA or know of one to track if any garrote is buffed by SS?

[long anchor]

!WA

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[grave monolith]

Hey, would anyone here be able to help me out with something? I can't seem to deal the damage i should be pulling for ... my ilvl?

[cunning needle]

@strange python no, let them tick out completly

[grand trail]

@cunning needle haha was a about to ask same

So I literary need to wait for last tick

[cunning needle]

yep

[grand trail]

That's little frustrating tho

[cunning needle]

it is, try pool your energy so you can cast as soon as it ticks off

[dire spoke]

[civic palm]

SIN BFA GUIDE HERE--> http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/ <-- SIN GUIDE HERE

[grand trail]

I'm using this guy luxthos on yt WAs

[dire spoke]

I'm using mine

[grand trail]

But when I use exsa on his wa, it's kinda mess

I was using mine too , but after 2 y break I cba about creating them again when I don't remember how to work with wa

[civic palm]

I AM USING MINE

THEY ARE THE BEST

NO BIAS

[dire spoke]

NO TRU MINE BES

[cunning needle]

pics or didnt happen

[civic palm]

Listen here you little crook.

Use whatever works best for you

😃

[cunning needle]

okay I will, have a nice day 😃

[dire spoke]

[civic palm]

G O O D

Soul Caliber 6 demo is today, I cannot physically have a bad day.

prays work goes well

[cunning needle]

unless you break both your arms

[wide gale]

Hey Guys, Anyone else Does 0dmg On King's Rest Dungeom M+ ??? or Is it Just My Character Bugged :/ ?

[cunning needle]

have you tried stabbing things?

i heard that does damage

[civic palm]

It's your brain Benzz.

Your brain is bugged.

[cunning needle]

just reset brain

ez fix

[wide gale]

I Know The Issue, This Guy : Seliathan/Incarnated Washed My Brain To Go Full Crit + Mastery And Now I Literally Do No Dmg ...

Look : http://prntscr.com/kzo2bo

[cunning needle]

dunno mate that looks like more than 0 damage to me

[wide gale]

U Must Be Noob, Just Don't talk To me

[cunning needle]

okay

[granite berry]

finally bought a fathom's deck since it was 30k cheaper to buy all the cards

500 more dps on sim

[cunning needle]

ez rankings

[wide gale]

I Think For King's Rest You Go Full Raid Style.

[civic palm]

Crit/Mastery works best on pure AoE scenarios.

Expecting otherwise is foolish.

[cunning needle]

i think people run like 10% haste before stacking

crit/mastery

[crude bloom]

Typing Like This Increases DMG :)

[wide gale]

http://prntscr.com/kzo4gw Here My Stats For M+

[cunning needle]

is that the eyeglass that gives crit when hitting a mob?

[undone cairn]

yh

[cunning needle]

because i thought it wouldnt be as good in m+ since you're target swapping

so less effective

[wide gale]

Shut Up FlimButv

Its So Good For Aoe

[cunning needle]

😦

[wide gale]

I Told You B4 Don't Talk

[tawdry ice]

yo guys when do you use the galecallers trinket in ur rotation? after using exsang to boost the dots?

[dire spoke]

you use it before exsa because the spell snapshots off current haste

[cunning needle]

how does haste work with bleeds, does it cause more ticks but same duration?

[tawdry ice]

i thought all dots are dynamic now

[civic palm]

Exsanguinate isn't.

[tawdry ice]

aaaaaaaaaaah

that would explain it

[granite berry]

how does exsang work? does it just keep going as long as the bleed stays up, including pandemic, or just until the initial bleed it was used during finishes?

[civic palm]

It modifies the tick timer on your DoTs depending on your current Haste when you use EX.

[tawdry ice]

omfg

tyvm

[young swan]

Ye thanks 😋 I have been using exang then galecaller

[civic palm]

Do note that EX only increases it by 100%, but if you have more haste then... well... it's faster.

[dire spoke]

<_ >

[granite berry]

wait

im dumb

[dire spoke]

haha

[civic palm]

That happens.

lol

[dusk valve]

ex snapshots with hast 😮

[granite berry]

i always thought exsang made the dot last half the time because of the tooltip, not tick double the amount of time

[civic palm]

Halving the time would make it gigaBad.

[granite berry]

yeah i was always confused like "well its the same dps just done faster"

[cunning needle]

wait...

it doesnt

[civic palm]

Yeah.

[cunning needle]

what

[civic palm]

lol

[granite berry]

err damage, not dps

yo im an idiot, okay

[dire spoke]

fucking ape

[cunning needle]

doesnt it last half the time but tick twice as fast

am i also stupid?

[granite berry]

i still understood the usefulness, i just didnt fully click how it was working well enoughj

[tawdry ice]

ye it does the same about of damage but twice as fast

amount of damage*

[dire spoke]

c l i c k

[granite berry]

imagine 10 sec dot, ticks ever 2 secs

[civic palm]

Also it's stated in the guide clearly, but you let your Empowered DoTs (EX, SUB, SS) fall off entirely.

[granite berry]

with exsang it ticks every 1 sec,

[civic palm]

Same amount of ticks, in half the time.

[cunning needle]

okay

good

so

what i thought before

[dire spoke]

I was jk btw, don't block me

[civic palm]

ima get the MODS on you you jerk!!

[cunning needle]

i'm telling my mother

[dire spoke]

fuck me sideways

[cunning needle]

she's going to have a stern ta lking with you

[civic palm]

shit

Dood you are fucked.

[granite berry]

wait no, i was right about exsang, it halves the dot time, okay im not dumb

[civic palm]

1/2 off yer DoTs!!

[cunning needle]

yay we're all not dumb today

[civic palm]

No that was all pretty dumb.

[cunning needle]

😦

[civic palm]

But you learned (hopefully), making you less dumb!!

[cunning needle]

too late on a friday to think

[civic palm]

hmmm

Are you on a tiny fucking island in the middle of the Pacific Ocean? o _O