like fight duration
#assassination
late bison
woeful scaffold
anyone running DD 3x?
daring imp
only 1x ç_ç
woeful scaffold
think i’ve got 1 DD 1 SS and 1 AOTT
unkempt karma
compared tp Sub it feels so awkward to playu assas
tender rune
lol, so much theorycrafting
icy hull
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
unkempt karma
Not at all, not for me atleast
woeful scaffold
i’ve played assa for 6 yrs tho so maybe that’s why
unkempt karma
waiting for energy 24/7 is something you are not used to coming from sub
played a tiny bit assa in legion
daring imp
you mean during shadowdance
woeful scaffold
i’m more energy starved on sub than assa lol
woeful scaffold
i’m about 15.7k assa
tender rune
how can you sim your sub while you're sin in game?? can I change that somewhere?
unkempt karma
You switch gear > Sim swtich again > sim
woeful scaffold
change your spec lol
tender rune
@woeful scaffold that's exactly what I meant... can I sim w/o changing my spec?
high holly
I just got 380 GCB in chest how should i use it in opener and in fight?
ripe geyser
proven ice
If you use the /simc addon, it's really quick to
ripe geyser
@proven ice u big boi simmin 16k+?
proven ice
let me run one.
hard quarry
Cant decide between my rogue and my hunter!!! :/ pffff
proven ice
I haven't looked at the absolute number in a long time. I've only cared about relative talents and relative gear
ripe geyser
@proven ice Are you one of these boring rogues playing SB trait?
ripe geyser
Oh man, i've liked you since day 1 I joined this discord
proven ice
I logged out in pvp gear, so I'm using SS instead of archive on my chest, but:
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eWyqM7ByTAMUnxkzkxuoWj
ripe geyser
and you keep making yourself even more lovable
stable yarrow
Should I be holding exsang to use with galecallers? Or just use both off cd
tender rune
what's sb? xd
unkempt karma
Been testing shit out in lfr, I'm so bad 😛
proven ice
Sharpened blades.
tender rune
okok ty 😃
wait, do people play now with MA instead of subterfuge?
Oh, I guess not going for the SS trait as well
verbal nimbus
so are we looking to run 1 laser, 1 archive and 1 dd?
solid parrot
I know I posted already but curious if anyone has insight. I lost 300 dps to nightly but I don't believe I have any traits that got nerfed, and actually my chest should have got buffed.
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/teh9Qi1WfBXY6iuLKCxbRa
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pyZfamtnvN62tWLwzBRTcX
shadow pivot
some people do. just gotta sim if its better for you. i sim like 0.1% more dmg with ma, but don't like it so im not playing it anyways
solid parrot
I didn't read any general class nerfs iirc
Looks like some other stuff showing weird behavior based on tc research
could just be bugs in nightly
thorn crater
@vestal wren herodmg not updated on SB nerf right?
desert pelican
somebody having wa for gc trinket for cd + duration + out of aoe in 1 icon?
cedar elk
With reorigination array is it better to get haste or crit? Cause theyre literally .04 off from each other
verbal nimbus
just let it happen bb
languid plover
@solid parrot Looking at their git commit, they actually changed how they are handling dealing with stack buffs for rogue abilities. Functionally they are identical but it's the only difference between your two sims
One of the buffs that was affected by the commit was PW
So my guess would be, yes, "bug in the commit"
verbal nimbus
Working As Intended
proven ice
They also don't update the reorigionation array dynamically
As of right now, SimC is only setting the stat boost on combat start. Devs are looking at properly handling the dynamic nature of the buff in a future SimC update.
solid parrot
Oh thanks mitchem, can you link the commit?
nova gazelle
w8 what, PW is bugged?
languid plover
No, PW is not bugged
verbal nimbus
in nightly simc maybe
nova gazelle
Aight
languid plover
SimC is handling simming it differently, and it might have a bug in how it sims it
nova gazelle
But the charts on bloodmallet with PW should be correct I'm guessing?
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
languid plover
It at least changed @solid parrot dps by 300 without him actually changing anything other than which build he was running on
vagrant brook
do you just refresh rupture and garrote regardless off their time left on the target when exsang comes off cd or what?
new to exsang btw
verbal nimbus
🍑
mint osprey
pretty much yes
vagrant brook
ty
hybrid mural
Looking at juupkins higher dps sim, is there a reason his Mut crit is so much more inflated to the rest of his abilties/ crit? It jumps almost 10% more from his lower damage sim, which might have inflated his Seal Fate generation right? Which might have inflated the dps some how.
warped ermine
Do we just use which azerite piece is the highest ilvl now that basically all our traits have been nerfed to the ground?
cinder palm
SS still extremely strong in M+
I have 2 sets, 1 for M+ 1 for raiding pure single target
late bison
What's the best way to sim M+ trash? Like 20-30 second fights? I need to see if my 370 blightborne is a upgrade over SS
340ss
solid parrot
@hybrid mural that lines up with poisoned wire not functioning correctly after changes
since that directly increases mut crit
clever mural
385 with dagger in the back \ twist the knife or 370 with SS? Sims told second SS is dpsloss
azure bear
does anyone have a good galecallers boon weakaura?
strange python
Hero damage says ss is still like second best behind double dose now
azure bear
got it 380 😄
hybrid mural
Ah alright, thanks for the insight on that then @solid parrot
late bison
@strange python Hmm isn't that with something like Galecaller and exsan
solid parrot
no, thank you! that makes even more sense given everything.
strange python
Idk I set my combination for toxic blade
solid parrot
yeah great insight, gonna post into TC with that, so running poisoned wire on nightly yields zero increase in mut crit, which would be unexpected
tawdry breach
I can't seem to break 15k, any suggestions? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/a8QAEt1EQjNgJazDpt8uQf
solid parrot
especially considering it was buffed
tacit plaza
Did you try exsang
spice surge
What tips is there to give from your armory
Except get luckier with azerite
If you actually want something that we can help you with, you'll have to link logs
hybrid mural
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hh1RMuh45CXq9otHdv8KLJ/simc ye, just ran a sim against mine as well just to see, and ye the net is nearly non existent on nightly.
spice surge
Because how you play impacts your dps way more than most pieces of gear
tawdry breach
yeah I figured @spice surge , thought there might have been some slight modifications I could make to my gear to break 15k.
late bison
Is anyone running blightborne infusion for m+?
magic thunder
I have a question about Elaborate Planning does the extra damage stay on Garrote and Rupture?
versed apex
Are 15 ilvls really that significant or is my itemization just dumpster tier because my sims aren't even close to what I see here
quasi steppe
whats the best traits now to go with?
magic thunder
2/2/1/2/3/2/1
solid parrot
15 ilvls for me is prob in the ballpark of 2-3k dps
magic thunder
from what I ahve seen are the best talents
solid parrot
depending on itemization
languid plover
@magic thunder if you're asking about dot snapshotting, I don't think that's been a thing since like WoD
magic thunder
No I was just wondering if while that window was up they get increased damage
languid plover
Should, yes
wintry compass
do you still subterfuge with 0 SS traits?
languid plover
master assassin
try simming it and see which is better for you
but people are seeing it pull ahead with 0 SS
verbal nimbus
ever so slightly
versed apex
I'm 15 ilvls under. 351 or 352 I think
late bison
Can anyone recommend the best settings for M+ simming?
versed apex
Need a second chest piece
languid plover
if you're not running SS is there any reason to even run subterfuge other than to pandemic garrote instantly?
it's not like we have ambush anymore
languid plover
no
spice surge
Well subterfuge increases garrote dmg by 80% from stealth
visual token
Only gathering
languid plover
gathering professions only
strange python
FS
languid plover
ah okay
spice surge
But yes, some sims without SS show slight increases with master assa instead of subterfuge
But for anything with more than 1 target subterfuge is better
warm sable
I just got [Galecaller's Boon] is it good to make Macro and add it to Vendetta
solid parrot
yeah subterfuge master assas is 50dps difference at net 15.8k ST, but a 3k loss on 4 targets @ 60 seconds
so imo I'd run subterfuge
better for trash and minimal difference on ST plus good ol fashioned rotation
spice surge
Think of it this way @warm sable . Does galecaller have the same cd as vendetta? No it doesnt, therefore macroing them is pretty pointless
solid parrot
wait gcb is on use!?
verbal nimbus
oof
spice surge
As then you wouldn't be able to tell its off CD. Besides, having a bind for trinkets is useful
void pecan
..
solid parrot
good lawd
lol I dont have one unfortunately but I always read it as drops a boon
drops a ward*
warm sable
Nope its double cd i know but still if i make macro to use it allways with Vendetta i can use it on cd between t
chrome mural
Galcallers is only good if you can stand in it for the hole duration and on some if not all fights you have to move.
Whole *
spice surge
But then what is the point of macroing them together if youre gonna have different binds anyway
solid parrot
at least on use means you can control that
Makes it a lot more appealing, but depressing because high shrines are always rough
warm sable
I got it from M+10 so i will not change it soon i hope ...
It will make my opener easier :)) one button less 😛
but yes you are right about to much moveing 😛
mortal basalt
How much haste do you have with that galecallers down?
peak rune
[Dead-Eye Spyglass] is bad for m+ right ?
warm sable
40%
mortal basalt
Geez I’m jealous
visual token
Nice
warm sable
But as he said it will only be use full on boss with not to much moving like Zull ...
late bison
So right now I'm simming M+ trash, is putting it on hectic add cleave and 40 seconds fights good or should I tweak the fight length? Just wondering if a 340 SS is worth over a 370 blightborne infusion
solid parrot
hmm
proven pumice
Sim patchwerk 3-5 targets for 40 seconds
solid parrot
40 secs seem ok for fort weeks or regular week?
I havent actually timed pulls on fortified
Wondering if tyrannical week would be worth a 30ilvl drop just for some trash dps
in regards to above question
proven pumice
Mileage may vary depending on skill of group.
proven pumice
I sim 40 seconds and go with that
It's close enough
Some weeks or if your group isn't necessarily heavy handed on the damage, maybe a minute is closer to accurate for you
But generally the big sim theorycrafters like Noobe here in the discord agree on 40 secs
late bison
@proven pumice so I sim patchwerk and select 3-5 bosses?
proven pumice
You should be able to select 3, 4, or 5 bosses individually
It's up to you to decide on which number
late bison
I'll just do 3 and 5 and see if something changes
But thanks, was unsure about this for a while now
late bison
Azerite gear makes simming so much more work
proven pumice
It's a little easier if you do the trait and talent combos first
And then sim for stats or what have you
exotic ledge
Just got the Galecaller Boon Trinket, is it any usefull in M+ though ?
proven pumice
If you're using Exsang, it's always useful
Macro it together with Exsang and pump out the damage
exotic ledge
For Exsang id have to play SS or ?
proven pumice
It's best to use SS with Exsang, based on my sims yes
And in general SS is still quite potent for m+ dungeons
Especially with 2 or 3
exotic ledge
Hm i only got one Piece with SS :/
winter fog
but how do use it best? I mean you garrote 3 targets, rupture one then exsang?
magic thunder
what is SS?
proven pumice
Shrouded Suffocation
exotic ledge
Exsang is simming pretty low for me though
winter fog
but you cant re-garrote as soon as it runs out due to the bug
lone junco
👀
late bison
I have tripple SS traits but TB sims higher, I guess it's because of my stat distribution
covert compass
exang sims exactly same as toxic blade so i prefer toxic blade
languid plover
@exotic ledge do you have higher haste or crit
proven pumice
Noobe probably has the m+ SS rotation on copy/paste status by this point
lone junco
Which version?
winter fog
i'd like to see the exsang version 😄
exotic ledge
@languid plover 19% Haste and 29% Crit
proven pumice
The triple g with CT and GC trinket Exsang version
lone junco
1prio. 2 w/ prio. 3. 6. 10t
cyan frost
are u supposed to click exang or tb in aoe or is it waste of global
languid plover
Higher crit rating trends TB to be stronger in ST, higher haste rating trends exsang to be higher in ST
You're gonna get lots of different results as your gear changes
glass vessel
exang is great int he early AOE stage to get your energy up to spread the ruptures
exotic ledge
y but even with Galecallers on 380, and Exsang with Double SS it sims lower then TB for me with other Traits
lone junco
G g g Ct. FOK FOK rupture. (Vend GC exang) if prio. Else rupture all elites. Then refresh Ct.
The m+ stacks are garbage for SS.
languid plover
Are all your azerite gear ilvl the same?
exotic ledge
Head is 385, Chest and Shoulder 370
magic thunder
EXS only bleeds your target for 100% more no?
glass vessel
it halves the time of the ticks
lone junco
Read the tooltip.
magic thunder
yeah says for the target
glass vessel
so you're regening energy 2x as fast fromg arrote and rupture on that target
magic thunder
so yeah why not EXS your target before spreading rup/garrote?
glass vessel
because CT is more important to get damage rolling
after you get your CT out then you spread rupture
candid phoenix
this is so sad.......
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/myLCsHhR1mz9fFv4TcyFSu
glass vessel
like @lone junco said a second ago. that's what you should be doing to open up on a pull
languid plover
@exotic ledge so you're simming same pieces different trait combos, not different pieces?
languid plover
Does top gear allow you to do talent combos as well?
inner pecan
no
opaque grotto
Boi we already know you gonna use dice and fathoms
languid plover
Dice is a good starter till you get that yuicy galecallers
desert vault
Do you just use Galecaller on CD basically?
exotic geode
They need buff that Ghuun trinket. So many trinkets in the game and only a few are decent
languid plover
Any trinket that says "summons X to help" I instantly don't want to associate with
inner pecan
all the raid trinkets are basically dogshit
late bison
@lone junco What do you mean with M+ stacks are garbage for SS? And would you recommend running exsang for M+ even if TB sims higher ST?
inner pecan
but then again think back to EN pretty much every raid trinket was dogshit for all classes
except BTI ofc
opaque grotto
Convergence of fates was SICK
winter fog
@lone junco whats GC in "(Vend GC exang)"?
opaque grotto
Galecaller’s
winter fog
ah ok
inner pecan
I was talking about EN, not Nighthold
Nighthold had amazing trinkets: Frond, COF, Draught of Souls, Metronome, Whispers
chilly marsh
nyone having problems with azeritepowerweights addon?
it only slow 0 every toolltip
cant make it work here...
chilly marsh
yes and also default ones
if you open the menu to see the values are there
but tooltip shows 0 in azerite slots
lone junco
@late bison The "m+ dungeon" trait stacks are using an apl that does not do. G g g.
When you have 3x SS. That is important.
The m+ trait stacks. Are a long dungeon sim. 4-6mins.
Any sim that has SS as the 5th best but sharp knife best, is clearly wrong.
Blatantly wrong.
late bison
Ah that makes sense
lone junco
In packs of 6-12. Idc if your knife hits for 100k every pull. It is still garbage.
lone junco
At one point I clocked a single SS garrote with no vendetta at 100k dmg. Prob lower now. But 3x. Every pull with no CDs. Is very very good.
For outlaw. Maybe it's fine. For sub. Maybe it's great. Because you don't expect to have CDs on pull every time.
winter fog
so, what to do on really big pulls? garrote x3 then rupture as much as you can and spam FoK?
lone junco
But my trash is consistently 45 sec apart do I can exang. And GC.
late bison
Yeah that's true, it's just that I have a 370 blightborne infusion now and according to sims its 1-2k difference on 3-5 targets(40 second fights) but its definetly better on ST
modest ivy
@chilly marsh click "usar esta configuração"
late bison
so I would be replacing a 340 SS
lone junco
G g g Ct. tab ruptures on each elite. Then either refresh Ct or env depending on time left on Ct. (pull size dependant)
royal lantern
its ok
winter fog
@lone junco is CT really better than PB? I've seen fragnance play with PB
lone junco
6t 40s. Patchwerk. No buff. Is the best tool I have to compare SS with other comps.
cyan frost
u guys gonna run ct this week for m+ even tho its tyrannical?
lone junco
Are you frangnace? Do you pull 15x in a +15?
And the answer is no. Ct is best in most anything but KR tyr.
My Ct is typ 10-13% per dungeon. Pb at 2.5% per dungeon.
If you want you dumpster your cleave for a tiny smudge of boss st. Then make that choice.
Afk.
late bison
on 3 targets 3xSS (340,340,370) is better for me but on 5+ targets replacing a 340 SS with a 370 blightborne sims higher
winter fog
@lone junco also if you ggg CT then rupture, your ct would be at 12s and rupture 24s - so wouldn't you always CT again? Because if they're not living 24s you wouldnt rupture in the first place, would you?
strange python
Can Bloodmallet/Herodamage be trusted for the azerite trais comparison? SS is very mediocre according to them
lone junco
I do 2+ ruptures at the beginning.
urban storm
You can rupture if not full duration, you get energy back
lone junco
Typ FOK FOK ruptures.
flint swift
Rupture is good for the energy regen as well
urban storm
So it’s not wasted
flint swift
Which ct doesn’t give
strange python
I'm trying to gear up for r aiding at the moment, and thought I should be looking for SS traits but not so sure now
lone junco
Whatever cps I land in the FOK FOK rupture.
If you want to see it in action in a +15. Twitch.tv/incarnated
Over and over. Massive damage.
Pull after pull. 25k at my level. 35k at his.
strange python
3 x Sharpened Blade is the preferred traits for raiding?
lone junco
1 uldir trait will be preferred. Rest is your sim.
unkempt gulch
lol his chat cover
strange python
hmmm, not sure I'm any wiser
winter fog
@lone junco and how to use exsang and CT? ggg CT FoK til 4/5 rupture vendetta exsang then FoK rupture all other elites?
strange python
looking to gear pu fotr raiding , so curreeblty no uldir trais (although noit sure what they are)
lone junco
You can exang the bigger mob in a pack after first Rupture. I use GC then exang.
Kinda awkward on the move.
But as I said. The rotation will depend on prio in the pack.
If there is a true baddy. I will fuck their day with a vend GC exang.
lone junco
He's pretty good. Was doing >30 in legion.
winter fog
@lone junco so sometimes you rupture before the CT?
lone junco
Remember to modify for your group pull size. Not everything is the same.
Tbh the ggg matters to me. The rest is played by pack.
(Not a lot of depth to the rotation)
But ggg Ct. vendetta mut mut r GC exang. Would be fine.
winter fog
why mut tho? shouldn't FoK be better?
mortal gyro
Second Archive of Titans or Double Dose? which is better for raiding? only 4 R-Arrays
lone junco
Low cp rupture isn't horrible. Just watch his stream and memorize all the different options in the different pull sizes
If you aren't pulling 20-25k in trash. You might be doing something wrong.
drifting hare
do I prefer Dead-Eye Spyglass (365) over darkmoon trinket for assa?
pure sparrow
do you?
drifting hare
maybe I miss spelled :p
winter fog
@lone junco thats what I thought, but I did ggg rupture fok rupture on all and still my dmg was quite low
lone junco
Fathoms is great in single target. The other one is in your sims.
prisma perch
So I am Livelogging and I suck hard
lone junco
@winter fog not breaking your garrotes?
abstract raven
tbh darkmoon hasnt been beaten yet for me T_T literally e 370 trinkets and a 380 cannon yet fathoms is still the best.
strange python
hey guys I'm about to switch to Sin from Sub, I've got a few questions about traits
prisma perch
we at zul care to help? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/yhfqvn7bmPKjRVHW
winter fog
@lone junco nope - starting garrote again when the last one ran out
strange python
if I already have a laser matrix, should I go for a 2nd shrouded suffocation or an archive of the titans as a 3rd trait?
winter fog
@lone junco playing with 2x SS and 1x double dose due to 385 shoulder to 340
lone junco
Did the 6t40 show a clear gain for Dd?
cyan frost
@winter fog even for m+?
winter fog
6t40?
lone junco
6Target. Patchwerk. 40seconds. No raid buffs. I'm in the 28k dps range. At 354
pure sparrow
you rock 3 340 SS yeah noobe?
winter fog
@lone junco which fight style is that on raidbots? and where can I deactivate raid buffs?
pure sparrow
extra options
lone junco
On phone rn. Can't snip.
winter fog
found the buff option
pure sparrow
patchwerk fight style, 6 targets for 40 seconds
winter fog
where do I increase the targets in patchwerk style?
pure sparrow
resto?
midnight vapor
yeah nevermind lul
pure sparrow
lol
midnight vapor
fucked the discords
winter fog
just 6 bosses patchwerk?
pure sparrow
feral where
midnight vapor
shhh
lone junco
If stuff dies quicker drop to 20s. But in that case. You probably don't need to spec for that condition.
When you sim this 6t. Post the difference between Ct and pb.
Cause In sim they are magically stacked for all 40s. And that's as comfy as it gets.
civic cedar
This is probably something ppl ask a lotbut.. How do you Sim for AOE (or more specificly M+s)? do you go hectic add cleave n put duration on like 40 sec or do you go 10 bosses and duration 40 sec? how do you guys go about it? 😄
winter fog
@lone junco so 6t40 my 340 SS sims higher than 385 DoubleDose
@lone junco that's your benchmark sim for m+?
winter fog
27863 SS
26866 DD
lone junco
Easy choice. Now run the 3ss sim with Ct and Pb
civic cedar
@pure sparrow thanks man! for the quick reply
pure sparrow
np
lone junco
Here's the problem with DD. You aren't casting env for the opener.
So good luck applying 2x per mut in a FOK condition.
The m+ dungeon sim has too much single target
Totally my opinion. But others share it. So take what you will from that.
Hope you can pull 20k + every single pull and make your guildys cry. "Why am I even here". Is glorious music from the heavens.
vestal flame
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
winter fog
@lone junco with 3xSS its 27863 for CT and 27050 for PB
pure sparrow
CT it is
lone junco
Cool. And Ct is non directional. And can cleave on the run.
I kite FOK Ct all the time.
pure sparrow
AND doesn't rely on shitty rng or tanks holding mobs inside of PB
fuck tanks seeing my PB proc and running mobs away
bastards
lone junco
I almost screamed about chain pulling tho.
pure sparrow
lol, had that happen to me last night
lone junco
Hammer your stealth or just cry.
hollow leaf
is there any point in not using crippling poison? I can't put deadly on both weapons it looks like. haven't rogue'd since wotlk
lyric glen
dont get too attached it will change again when they throw all the azierte traits into their powerball machine
lone junco
Is the only downside.
pure sparrow
tank kept lightning pulling and then had the audacity to ask why i wasn't doing good enough damage
main blaze
lone junco
Only time I don't cripple. Is if sanguine is a problem.
hollow leaf
so I can just run deadly and crippling with no downside?
winter fog
yes
hollow leaf
whee
winter fog
expect you dont want the enemies slowed due to buffs on the ground
hollow leaf
so what's the leveling spec, outlaw?
pure sparrow
all of them
pure sparrow
if you plan on playing one of the 3 primarily at max level, play that to level
strange python
grappling hook is very nice levelling
hollow leaf
as far as aoe on tiny mobs
pure sparrow
they've all got benefits
grappling hook and little aoe is nice for outlaw, sub burst damage on big boi mobs is nice, and sin consistency and not having to wait for cooldowns makes shit just burn from pack to pac
better question for rogue general tho
hollow leaf
ah sorry I see it now, glossed over it since notifications are off on that channel
pure sparrow
np
visual token
What level are you starting from?
exotic abyss
oblique flax
Hey, how does the double dose trait work, is it only the first time 700dmg extra when u apply ur poison the first time? or is it straight up 700increased dmg on every mutilite?
verbal nimbus
When Mutilate applies Lethal Poison with both daggers, it poisons the target for an additional 512 damage.
glacial steppe
torpid jackal
still rocking 3x 340s
tell your DH to go fornicate with poorly maintained farm equipment in an uncomfortable manner
solid parrot
any way to generate a simc output from armory api?
smoky topaz
ehm hey there question is the bug with Subterfuge still arround?
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
clever coral
is double archive good?
icy crater
Guide gives no tips on exsang usage, is it meant to be used on cd when dots are just refreshed or any time on cd?
And, if toxic blade instead of exsang, are we meant to spam envenom as much as possible during blade window or just enough to keep ep up?
wheat zealot
@prisma perch which one are you
languid plover
@solid parrot you can import via armory in simc if that's what you're asking
chrome umbra
@icy crater pair on use trinkets with exang and then don’t reapply until it ends me thinks
strange python
@prisma perch What ilvl are u
chrome umbra
That’s what I’ve been doing anyways
ripe comet
full
chrome umbra
Full
If you have galecallers and stuff it’s worth holding onto the exang until it comes back up
icy crater
I do have gale
icy crater
That was my intuition but I just wanted to make sure.
strange python
Delay exsang?
chrome umbra
I delay exang for gale
ripe comet
delay exsang i guess
strange python
Hmmm
icy crater
Any insight on the toxic blade question?
ripe comet
gale's broken
icy crater
They sim like 100 dps apart for me
strange python
So you gale right before exsang so it snapshots?
chrome umbra
Uhhh TB I just use on CD but I usually fit like 3 envenom into it still anyways
icy crater
Spam env or maintain ep?
chrome umbra
Nah don’t even maintain EP lol
strange python
You maintain the env buff
ripe comet
you game 9 sec before exsang and snapshog last Sex i guess
strange python
Oh nvm
icy crater
Sorry I guess that question was poorly worded.
oblique vector
is it still worth taking 1x SS or is it trash now?
strange python
Sim yourself
icy crater
I meant do you use minimum envenoms while keeping up EP, or just spam as much envenom as possible
strange python
During normal rotation?
icy crater
during toxic blade
chrome umbra
I just weave in. But I play master assassin now so I just play old legion way
chrome umbra
Of tb > vanish > envenom and fill in an extra during that window
icy crater
Maybe, yeah
Need to globals to make use of SS though so perhaps tb vanish env, garrote garrote
quaint pewter
when using MA, when do you use your first vanish?
leaden niche
after tb
chrome umbra
after TB.
prisma perch
@strange python 364
chrome umbra
so an opener would look something like...
leaden niche
go garrote > muti > rup >ven>muti>tb
tranquil sedge
How is assassin in M+?
leaden niche
or something like that
strange python
@prisma perch How the fuck are u doing only 6.4k
strange python
@prisma perch How much do u sim?
tranquil sedge
340, my main is 359 fury war
prisma perch
13k
strange python
Hmm
leaden niche
are u poisoning ur weps? :\
prisma perch
yes
strange python
Do you maintain envenom buff, or do u just spam it?
quaint pewter
so garrote > muti > rup >ven>muti>tb and then Vanish .... do I just line up my second vanish with Vendetta and tb? (with MA)
prisma perch
opener is SS one
inner pecan
@prisma perch Your garrote and Rupture uptimes are really bad
leaden niche
@quaint pewter yes
inner pecan
You need to keep them up 100% of the time on the boss
quaint pewter
thanks
leaden niche
u want to vanish with 4/5 cp too
inner pecan
You're averaging 60-70%, not good
elder cypress
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4XEEXMFbrMHvgnSVQLz2tV is that a good sim for 369 ilvl?
prisma perch
How can I get better? on the puppet its not that hard
floral loom
during normal rotation do you try to maintain EP as much as possible, or just try to maintain env?
verbal nimbus
use weak auras or some kind of dot tracker if you need to
floral loom
ya, I'm def pooling, which means i stop maintaining EP
trail flax
use fan of knives , 2 or more? 3 or more?
floral loom
so i either pool more before TB, or try to space out my env with less pooling
desert vault
for vanishes outside of opener you want to vanish > gar always correct? assuming sub talent. Do you need to carry CPs into the Vanish really?
floral loom
but it may be a better playstyle to work on just maintaining env buff
floral loom
higher avg energy pools, better able to adapt to procs and the like
desert vault
I hate being such a low ilvl ... so many sweet sweet grey parses 😐
icy crater
How are you simming that high in that gear?
desert vault
even traysh for my ilvl, prolly shouldn't quit for months on end ...
broken fiber
grey parse cus low item level 🤔
icy crater
nvm I guess ss if dog shit now I take that back
desert vault
I mean I was 95+ on rup/gar so ... hehe 😃
fading spade
I sim lower than that. I'm at 20% haste and still my highest stat weight
desert whale
Ima just guess on 4+ targets you would FoK and rupture one with full combo points?
fading spade
Right now it weighs higher than main stat
desert whale
and 3 targets or less you mutilate and upkeep dots on em all?
desert vault
I'm not running the TB window correctly I know
wild mural
I think you’re suppose to rupture like 3 things and ct if you have it while foking
desert whale
What about 4 targets and up?
desert whale
I know that but how many mobs for FoK spam to build?
wild mural
3+
desert whale
k
strange python
Can any1 like 362-365 compare sim and tell if mine is ok ? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kxKqSTxziCCAmEmghNqUw2
verbal nimbus
The only thing Im missing to boost me way up there is weps 😦 still 355 and 340
desert vault
So outside of opener what is the ideal way to use Vanish? Line it up with a Vend cast before it? Use Vanish > garrote with combo points, without, etc?
desert whale
Vanish with 4 combo points if you have stealthed garrote trait
and vendetta and garrote
rupture, proceed as normal
desert vault
vanish (4 cp) > garrote > rupture?
desert whale
O_O
wild mural
Stealthed garrote trait being SS? I don’t think you would vanish at 4cp then you overcap
desert vault
I guess I should have said, with no SS trait sorry.
desert whale
I got mixed up
wheat zealot
I believe hes talking about subterfuge?
desert whale
You do that without SS
Vanish when Garrote hits 5.4 seconds or less when talented into subterfuge
desert vault
I run subterfuge, yeah. So with no SS trait and subterfuge talent it would be vanish (3-4cp) > garrote > rupture?
wild mural
Depends if a subterfuge garrote is expiring
wheat zealot
Nah you should let your first subterfuge empowered garrote expire, vanish double garrote
wild mural
You want last tick on that
wheat zealot
Yup
wild mural
You don’t wanna refresh that
cedar meteor
Toxic Blade increased Natur dmg and poison dmg is well ?
desert vault
hmm, ok ... I think 😃
cedar meteor
so increase evenom to ?
wheat zealot
Yup
primal patio
!wa
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cedar meteor
so why not any guide wants put toxic blade before evenom
cedar meteor
heh sory that was pvp guide 😄 I just swap from outlaw and im little bit confused 😄
wheat zealot
For pure st, yes it is simming higher for some people
But almost every fight in raid has adds 🤷
lime briar
isnt MA good if you dont have SS trait
desert vault
Right, oh I guess the only sub powered garrote you have to really worry about is the one in the opener right? Not overlapping that one?
wheat zealot
Not good for cleave, at all
desert whale
What would be the best m+ talent build?
desert vault
I have no SS trait, so probably part of the reason for me as well
desert whale
Would you still take poison bomb > Tempest in M+?
cedar meteor
im strgeling when have use exan,if for garrote and rupture or if have w8 for ct to
lime briar
how much of a dps increase is subterfuge over MA on cleave? i feel like i shouldnt be much since really subterfuge is useful during opener and whenever vanish is up, right?
wheat zealot
Lmaoo logging m+, what a meme
daring imp
😦
wild mural
CT/Pbomb prob depends on your group comp
daring imp
wanted to throughly check wth the guys i run with are doing wrong
instead of pointing out w/o proof
wild mural
And the key level
wheat zealot
@daring imp understandable
glass chasm
any farmable SS trait helmet out there besides the praying storm run ? (and worldboss thats not in rotation right now)
daring imp
i just can't seem to get it right
i log it everytime
and it always counts as trash fights
not the m+ run
desert whale
so Exsanguinate and CT for M+?
lime briar
ahh okay
wheat zealot
Exsan
lime briar
makes sense
broken fiber
Imagine if they fixed garrote bug
cedar meteor
so theat opener is ggg ct exa or ggg rup ct exa ?
clever coral
any comments to start opener with vendetta?
weak socket
ggg CT Rupture Exsang
lime briar
im assuming this is included but shouldnt it be ggg CT mut rupture exsang
wheat zealot
Get more ruptures out after exsan
lime briar
to get CP for rupture
weak socket
You're rupturing the priority target and exsanging it. Then you start rupturing the other elites
lime briar
right right
wheat zealot
3+ FOK away
weak socket
After enough ruptures are out, you will have a crapton of energy
So you'l mut/FoK and Env
wheat zealot
3 ruptures is usually enough
weak socket
Yeah, that was my experience as well, 3 ruptures and 3 garrotes, but I didn't want to commit to an exact number
Sometimes I do 4 ruptures
daring imp
you wanna have 4~5 bleeds spread around by the time the emp garrotes end
to maintain fok spam regen
wheat zealot
I usually rupture every elite, but 3 is my absolute minimum in aoe
Especially since i use one scent piece
chrome umbra
you rupture until your energy feels fine then you just fok ct spam lol
broken fiber
Are you sure they fixed? im testing on dummy right now and its still losing the multiplier
wheat zealot
Someone said yesterday it was, havent been on to test it tbh
broken fiber
haha blizzard fixing things
wheat zealot
Ik what a meme
wild mural
I was about to ask for a blue post on it lmao
desert vault
Man, if I can't produce numbers on this stupid target dummy I might rage quit! 😛
Sim at 11.5 and it is a nightmare to sustain 8k on the dummy
wheat zealot
@desert vault sim is with raid buffs
drifting hare
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fgyYWTLKdMMq2VSEFv6uN6 do I have too much haste or do I need more haste?
prisma perch
yes but Idk my prios I mean if i have max energy and all up... toxic blade is after i use rupture and garrote right?
drifting hare
or does it mean that haste is my strongest?
desert vault
@wheat zealot Are raid buffs really 3k+ though?
clever coral
which traits are good for raiding?
desert vault
I guess it could be ... 40%
broken fiber
sims seem so scuffed right now tbh
solid parrot
well think about a 5 minute fight w/ 2 battle potions and lust on top of all other standard buffs and debuffs
strong plank
@drifting hare that means both haste and crit are more imporant than agility to you atm
desert vault
I feel like I'm missing something, I dunno
drifting hare
@strong plank thanks!
wheat zealot
@desert vault 2 pots, plus 10% attack power from warr, lust, 5% damage from windwalker
Raid buffs are giant
wild mural
@desert vault sim it lol
solid parrot
buffs to no buffs is 4k dps for me
daring imp
@desert vault
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3EYCXAriEvhKRt7KrFWoZv me before optimizing shit
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5BSRv8wehdBeXfKM1FWPw5 me after optimizing shit
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hUmuNRfmCDUdA4oFDm9ufU no buffs ( 4k diff in deeps )
broken fiber
Not sure if right but doesn't the sim Go off your charactor playing perfect with the best rng and things
desert vault
I'm running it now without buffs to see, but its funny cause you can't turn off buffs under "advanced sim" need to use "quick sim" seems a bit backwards to me
desert vault
oh that makes me feel so much better 😃
8.5k without buffs which I can keep that going
ancient tangle
how come simc and raid bot are giving me differences in dps ?
and im getting 14624 on simc
using simc addon for input for both
daring imp
both on nightly?
hazy skiff
are your fight settings the same
halcyon phoenix
^
ancient tangle
i see, new to all this simming shiz
mighty yew
Guys, is it worth spamming as many envenoms into tb as possible or better to keep max uptime on poison debuff?
chrome mural
Yeah during TB I spam envenoms
daring imp
specially if you have DD trait
chrome mural
But only during tb
daring imp
make sure env buff up during all tb
chrome mural
Otherwise just use it like normal
chrome mural
No stil;l use it at 4-5
chrome mural
Yeah there wouldnt be much point otherwise lol
ancient tangle
yea did wonder lol
am assuming subterfuge is still stronger atm ? or is MA notching ahead?
candid jasper
any idea where poisoned wire is sitting now?
junior aurora
Sim yourself, but ma is pulling ahead for people not using SS
ancient tangle
apparently a loss using 1 ss even for ST
junior aurora
Yeah thats why i said no ss
hollow leaf
what's the aoe rotation, garrote out of stealth and fok + envenom?
junior aurora
Fok and rupture if it lives long enough, maintain CT
I dont envenom at all really in aoe unless theres a priority target or if i have everything dotted
hollow leaf
what about on shitty quest mobs while leveling where nothing lives too long
lime panther
Our rotation is slowly going back to end of legion lols
Cuz they keep cucking our traits
civic cedar
Is there a trashhold of amount of adds where it is worth swapping envenom out for CT in aoe (if you have enough ruptures rolling to not get energy starved)
lime panther
5+? U losing rupture and bleed uptime hurts more then anything else
civic cedar
yea but in the cases that you have your bleed uptime going n you would have acces CPs for envenoms
junior aurora
Yeah 5+
ripe fulcrum
I have a question about the opener in ST using SS. What is the point of double garrote after only a couple of seconds of ticking? Is it just to add the pandemic time to the top?
junior aurora
Swap envenom for ct
lime panther
So 5+ usually there isn't much downtime
ripe fulcrum
So I've been doing it wrong with TB...lol
civic cedar
thansk peeps ;D
lime panther
Tb exenge sub and ma all sim within literally 80dps for me now 😑
prisma perch
can you tell me what the other rogues did that i didnt do ? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/yhfqvn7bmPKjRVHW
lime panther
Look at your uptime on boss and look at your bleed uptimes
Usually where u can improve drastically if they're all not 98% or higher your fucking up
prisma perch
ignore taloc one
lime panther
Assuming you're using correct opener and CDs correctly
prisma perch
im using the SS opener
dense quest
you dont have vanish on your bars
prisma perch
I do
lime panther
Look at what I said , if they're not all above 98% u fkin up
formal fractal
Hey guys, im a 366 ilvl assassination rogue, says im supposed to be at 13.5k....but im never above 10k...ive followed rotation guides, azerite gear priorities, i just dunno what im doing wrong....i actually got sat from our Heroic G'Huun raid....which sucked so bad.
Any tips/ideas?
lime panther
Hero ghuun is pad ur face off in p1
lime panther
366 u should be around 27k do before add spawns
winter fog
does the ss bug also work the other way around? what if I have non-buffed garrotes still ticking and then I vanish and garrote 3 other targets?
lime panther
With st setup no ct
hazy skiff
@formal fractal do you have a log to show us
lime panther
Everything should have rupture on it , open on the 3 adds with emp garrote then ss to 4th after u get buffed and drop CDs n move from each add applying all bleeds and fok the multi adds w ruptures on them
If my guild had there shit together I would have 98% parsed the fight multiple times
Save all CDs for burst window on ghuun once reorg is going
And I'm not a runner cuz fk that 😂
broken fiber
fuck doin mechanics 😂
sharp nova
If assa’s aoe is rupturing everything, is there any reason to go for tb? And im asking since it sims higher for me
lime panther
Bosses lol
sharp nova
Im talking fortified of course.
formal fractal
@hazy skiff can i just post the link in here?
hazy skiff
@sharp nova imo that row is all single target anyway and make really minimal contribution to your aoe dps
solid parrot
For anyone who was around when I was asking about the 300dps disparity between nightly and weekly for me, it was indeed a bug w/ poisoned wire. Fix is in https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/commit/1cdfc9c95ea3b6b6d3545935f19252cc4588c42e
can read notes there
So if you're running posioned wire your nightly will be low
hasty sparrow
laser matrix any good outside of Uldir?
tribal lark
fuck dat dagger drop
strange python
Yeah im confused about that aswell @hasty sparrow does laser matrix and Archive work outside of uldir?
wild stone
Can someone please help me figure out why 370 Sharpened Blades sims higher than my 370 +4 Archives on ST? HD shows 370 Archive +5 at like 4-5% higher than Sharpened Blades.. (5.. but a 4 shouldn't be so dramatic of a diff)
scenic nacelle
@strange python Laser matrix and Archive work outside of raid you just dont have access to reorgination.
strange python
so its basically shit?
hasty sparrow
was just wondering whether its worth it for the base effect
scenic nacelle
@strange python Laser matrix and Archive work outside of raid you just dont have access to reorgination.
strange python
lol
oblique flax
yo how is double dose 3x at patchworks fights
desert vault
!wa
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cinder palm
Did they nerf sharpened blades recently? Showing lower on bloodmallet
dark crag
Yes
wheat zealot
Do people not read blue posts anymore? Lol
dark crag
Wrong stat at max? Low itemlvl?
wild stone
im 371
cinder palm
Sorry guys been working my ass off at work lately and didn’t check
wild stone
sim like 4 times a day
well more than that actually, suimmed like 30 times yesterday and like 15 today
dark crag
The stacking was nerfed
wheat zealot
Thats probably with reorig +5 or 10
wild stone
Its with 5
but a 4 compared to a 5 shouldnt drop my dps gain by 6%
75 stat isn't going to give me 6% dps gain.
wheat zealot
Do you have another uldir piece on with your archive?
wheat zealot
That would probably be it, since your already getting reorig from that piece
inner pulsar
Hey guys, is SS still good for M+?
wheat zealot
The archive doesnt matter
wild stone
Ok
wheat zealot
Sb > archive with no reorig
sharp schooner
wheat zealot
And you are already getting reorig from lasers
wild stone
Thanks Indicaz. I won't wear 2 Uldir pieces then
wheat zealot
Glad to help
scenic nacelle
I parsed worse with higher ilvl gear and 370 LM and 370 AotTx2. Maybe I'm just bad
wild stone
Care to take another question Indicaz?
wheat zealot
Sure, will help if i can
wild stone
I have 355 SS and 385 Rezans.. Rezan's sims higher.. but I know SS doesn't sim correctly..
We're talking ST Uldir dmg btw
wheat zealot
Use what sims higher for raid, use x3 ss for m+ is what i do
wild stone
Ok
arctic crow
I think SS Sims fine for raids
wild stone
But I thought SS doesn't sim right b/c it doesn't count for vanish?
wheat zealot
But its not better for raid anymore
arctic crow
You can just use it more for M+
ruby idol
In m+ sims its undervalued
Because building a profile that accounts for so many restealths is difficult
wheat zealot
Ahh yes, on herodamage
wild stone
im not worried about m+, ill def stack SS for m+
wheat zealot
On raidbots it sims fine
wild stone
Ok.
wheat zealot
But dont listen to herodamage about ss
cinder palm
I really wish Azerite pieces dropped of M+ and not just weekly box
dim blaze
Can someone help me as to why my dps is so bad can someone pm and look at my logs lol
indigo mulch
Could someone help me out a bit with simming? I'm getting really weird results. :/
arctic crow
So guess I'm back
wild stone
Whats wierd?
indigo mulch
Haste scales higher than agi atm. 😒
dim blaze
Anyone :)? I know I must be doing something wrong lol
wheat zealot
@indigo mulch thats normal
wheat zealot
Nothing weird about those weights
indigo mulch
Time to throw away all the crit gems i guess lel
wheat zealot
Whats your haste %
wheat zealot
Makes sense
indigo mulch
I mean twist the knife sims better than SS =/
wheat zealot
Without subterfuge im sure it does
wheat zealot
I cant bring myself to use Ma lol, i just love that juicy garrote damage
bold ice
is 2xDD and 1xSB decent or should I go 2xSB and 1xDD
indigo mulch
I wish there was an easy way to sim ALL your talents 😐
wheat zealot
Even if it sims like 50 dps higher
bold ice
heard SB was getting a nerf 😦
bold ice
ah, it's live? blehhh
wheat zealot
Yep
winter bloom
is SS still worth it for extra combo points?
i mean stacking SS is not worth it but having 1 trait?
wheat zealot
winter bloom
@wheat zealot i don't have decent ilvl gear with ss, just asking to see if i should aim it 😃
wheat zealot
Nah ss is no longer best for st
High ilvl pieces will likely sim highest now regardless of traits
winter bloom
@wheat zealot so even if i got high ilvl with 3x archives its ok? i thought stacking archives is bad?>
inner pulsar
@wheat zealot You calling me bro?! Telling someone to Sim Yo Self is like repeating "Biggie Smalls" to a mirror
wheat zealot
Ayyy
@winter bloom if x3 archive is what sims highest, then thats what you should be using
leaden niche
inner pulsar
Wow, yall melted him
leaden niche
first time we 2 phased it ^^
wheat zealot
Did you lust on pull?
leaden niche
yh
inner pulsar
Jeez, that is a lot of orange parse
wild stone
poisoned wire eh!?
winter bloom
@leaden niche is ur armory up to date?:)
leaden niche
we seem to be fine at dpsing but shite at mechanics >_> 1% on zekvoss
should be
and yeh, poisoned wire, it helps with ma a bit actually
and with tb windows
wild stone
i thought about pois wire over SB but SB is simming higher..
winter bloom
@leaden niche whats ur ilvl?
wild stone
having pois wire would help with CP after losing SS
leaden niche
372 or 374, not sure
abstract raven
@leaden niche are you running nightstalker? saw the vanish into envenom, kinda odd if youre running sub
winter bloom
@wild stone stupid questiong but which one is SB?
leaden niche
no, i'm running master assassin
wild stone
Sharpened Blades
abstract raven
ah makes sense
leaden niche
but yeh, it's v reminiscent of legion playstyle
abstract raven
nj man. my parses are shit this expac. was full orange last expac and now im low 90s high 80s. feels rng man
leaden niche
yeah rng is pretty heavy, honestly it feels like you just want gemslots in everything
and high level azerite, even if traits suck
leaden niche
yeah, i have been running some 15 ilvl lower pieces due to gems :\
feelsbad
at least i'm not immediately disregarding anything without mastery
abstract raven
well at least it got you that sweet gold parse man. those feel good af, i got three on my dh in nh.
leaden niche
been a while for me, think my last was resto druid :\
short token
so when you exsanguinate (if talented) you let the rupture and garrote go full duration, are there other times that we don't overlap the rupture/garrote? for example the ones we refresh during vendetta or a trinket?
abstract raven
oof, healer gold just means you had a bad time lmao
leaden niche
i only like having a bad time as a healer ^^
unborn rampart
m+ opener with shrouded S -- is it garrote / rupture on Target 1, garrote/rupture on Target 2, garrote/rupt on Target 3? or should I spam garrotes on the three targets to take advantage of SS before Subterfuge goes away, even if it wastes combo points?
leaden niche
yeah use 3 in a row for the ss damage @unborn rampart even if it wastes cp
unborn rampart
got it, thanks!
ocean nebula
i guess its garrote garrote garrote ct fok rup fok rup
going really well with this rota
short token
do we let the bleeds from our opener expire before refreshing or do we still overlap them for pandemic?
leaden niche
with ss @short token ?
short token
yes with 1 SS...and without tbh i just wanna know
leaden niche
we let them time out on multi, but on single u apply it twice in the first ss window
short token
right, i understand the opener, but i mean before we refresh the final garrote in the opener, do we let it run off or refresh overlap
leaden niche
let it expire
short token
what about rupture?
leaden niche
reapply rupture unless its nightstalker buffed
sweet sedge
question... wouldnt exsang be a dps increase over toxic blades? if i bled out my initial SS garrotes faster then i could reapply faster right?
leaden niche
sim it ^^ it's not for me but i've heard others having exsang being ++ dps wise
lucid bolt
you can never be wrong if you always say sim it or check the pins