more add dmg
#assassination
signal summit
signal summit
but will lose some on boss
stoic pelican
another noob question: How can I maximize Exsan?
placid elbow
Sub actually has pretty good add dmg
daring imp
no i don't mean add dmg, i mean constant target switching
signal summit
ye sub add dmg is really strong
placid elbow
probably better than Sin lol
signal summit
its not constant target switching on fetid
daring imp
^
unreal coyote
its just inferior without bing far ahead
on st
there is no reason to play it
outside cheese like zul
hollow stone
Yes. You can get 3 env in a tb with all the buffsesea
hollow cloak
how i make macro for mouseover and target to garrote
hollow stone
You could probably get 4 w mfd. but thats not worth :p
daring imp
/cast [@mouseover] Garrote ?
that's the one i used to use in legion with eye of conquest
hollow stone
Theres a longer mouseover chain if you want mouseover or target. I dont have it available tho
stoic pelican
which one scale more with wep? sub or assa? the problem is that I got 2x350ilvl daggers but my ilvl is 371.
stoic pelican
Thank you
lone junco
ugh. I logged out in pvp gear. my sim is busted
odd sluice
(M+) Is it worth dropping a 340 SS piece for 385 SB ? the other traits are both SS
lone junco
i usually get a /simc and copy to a text file before work, so i can fuck around with raidbots.
orchid berry
what do I use my vanish for, double garrot or on a rupture? (got 1x ss)
hollow stone
Probably not @odd sluice
lone junco
@odd sluice sim 6T patchwerk 40s. no buffs. see how it turns out.
daring imp
which other trait the 385 sb has
lone junco
and then know that its not even using the 3rd garrote
odd sluice
@daring imp Meticulous Scheming
charred oar
can someone explain to me what the big deal is of SS when you can only activate it once per fight (opener) and then maybe 1-2 more times after vanish
or does the damage buff apply to all garrotes and not just the ones casted from stealth
hollow stone
Actually. With tyrannical week, the 385 sb is prob better than a 340 ss if youre using 2 other ss pieces already
daring imp
if it were scent of blood, it might would've been worth it @odd sluice
hollow stone
The big deal is for m+
daring imp
@charred oar it is great for m+ because of restealths between trash packs
daring imp
like, "garrote being your overall 1/3rd of your damage" great
hollow stone
Those people are dumb or dont have a better option
daring imp
if you mean for RAIDING
onyx wind
what
charred oar
so whats the preferable setup for raiding
daring imp
SS is not the top pick anymore
you should sim yourself to be honest
depends too much on ilvl
daring imp
but you want atleast ONE reorigination array piece
onyx wind
hes asking for the preferable setup
hollow stone
In perfect t22 gear, 1x archive 2x dd is best
strange python
What is dd?
daring imp
double dose
high siren
double dose
fossil agate
Is there even one double dose out of raid? Xd
onyx wind
no
high siren
rule #1 when youre fighting zombies
high siren
no, it’s rule #2 actually
onyx wind
I think haste is still preferred even with DD
lone junco
I mean scaling over time.
hollow stone
I dont think mp would effect it with new mp. Id have to check tho
daring imp
i mean, even with dd, our top dmg is still melee, garrote, rup, envenom
so mp wouldn't do much for those four
onyx wind
^
daring imp
ep does tho
lone junco
i had 105% haste in timewalk. and SS is pretty awesome. but only 2min intervals
onyx wind
105 how
covert magnet
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lone junco
i like to see absurd multipliers in action.
spiral furnace
Boys ... What are the go2 Traits for M+ now? I have no clue how to sim for it
golden mulch
sooo my guilde mate got 3rd week in a row BiS SS 385 azerite item he does almost no keys and doesnt raid... almost ready to quit wow again.
its this sort of "gamedesign" that makes everyone else but super casual leave.
proven pumice
Went from gray and green parses to blue, a green, and a purple parse last night. Feels good, friends.
hybrid mural
DD good now? RIP got 385 azerite shoulders with it, has to get nerfed just like SB did a week after getting 385 helm with it. xd 
spiral furnace
2 SS 1 Scent is good? and for rading 1 SS 1 Scent 1 Archive? (dont have pewmatrix)
daring imp
@hybrid mural hell no lul
grand burrow
3x SS or 2x SS 1 Dagger in the back for m+?
vapid oracle
Scent is good fort week for M+
golden mulch
this game sucks so much. its unreal 3x 385 SS item in a row just wow....
vapid oracle
Besides that it doesn’t have much use imo
daring imp
@spiral furnace you asked for m+, m+ is a bit harder to sim compared to raiding, generally it's 3x SS, if you have high ilvl SS that's even better, but a high ilvl scent of blood is okay instead of a 340 ss too
placid elbow
I'm going to mess with Master Assassin and no SS to see what life is like lol
knotty cedar
guys fyi when u join a timewalking ur poisons are removed u have to reapoply lol i spent most of the dungeon wondering why my damage is bad and energy starved
spiral furnace
@daring imp got 2* 340 SS 1* 385 Scent
fossil agate
Just do 3-5target patchwerk sims for trash idk
spiral furnace
@daring imp I am very confused with the changes going for rogue. I am playing a different spec every few days
odd sluice
thx guys 45ilvl higher and its not an upgrade 😄
spiral furnace
And I am also working full time so its hard to stay up2date 😄
quaint sequoia
is raidbots updated with latest trait nerfs?
daring imp
keep ct debuff* up and spread ruptures like your life depends on it
fossil agate
Welcome to BFA hahaha
spiral furnace
CT for Tyrannical?
high siren
depends
hybrid mural
For real, it did some alright damage last night on the tank and spank bosses last night. I think it was about 4% of my damage on MOTHER with being in the second half of transitions each time. DD that is, and that's with only 1
high siren
if big pulls allowed, then yes
daring imp
i always pick ct regardless of weekly affixes, clearing trash is always a pain regardless of the week, i just get mad if the tank starts pulling too slowly because i'd be doing such a higher dmg
spiral furnace
Do I even use CT for ST or simply stick to standard rotation?
daring imp
don't touch ct on st rotation
edgy latch
does legion legendaries work in timewalking?
daring imp
general rule is to use on 3+
some argue it's worth it to keep the debuff up in 2 but i never saw the raw math on it
@edgy latch they should 😛
edgy latch
can't you just sim it with 2 bosses in raidbots?
daring imp
also maybe old tier pieces?
edgy latch
the ct, that is
spiral furnace
@daring imp thank you senpai
@daring imp ahh. and its Heed my Call > Overwhelming Power for M+, right?
daring imp
well that i'm not sure
fossil agate
I just generally take heed my call in every situation
Most encounters will have some form of cleave that it will be just as good
daring imp
i only have heed my call on my ss pieces ( didn't drop any from m+ weekly chest or fetid devourer yet )
spiral furnace
ilvl?
obsidian oriole
😄
daring imp
share the sim with us!
spiral furnace
i just came home from work
obsidian oriole
sec
kindred abyss
yea, why not just link the sim lol
daring imp
thanks 😛
obsidian oriole
Just a basic sim ran on our guild discord, haven't fiddled with anything tbf
so may be off?
daring imp
nah i think it's good
cunning needle
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cunning needle
does anyone have a good sharpened blades WA specific string?
daring imp
i think fuu made one
fossil agate
SB Feelsbadman
cunning needle
thanks mate
high siren
you're 1 week late
magic zenith
I mained do during coldheart bis, I don't really like that interaction
high siren
if you still playing with SB
magic zenith
Yeah, still the best way to cleave
haughty flame
kk
obsidian oriole
running 3x SS for M+ and various shit for raid that simmed out best
haughty flame
raidbots takes into consideration that when using LM its in raid ye?
as well as archive
obsidian oriole
ya
you can adjust to multiple stacks of array in the bottom of the sim options, under advanced
you can set it from 0-10
rose wharf
got my second 385 SS Piece out of the chest and the fetid hc piece, i'm happy
dense yarrow
while i still didnt get any azerite pieces
tardy ether
385 dd shoulders from weekly, first good item from a m+ chest in over a year
dense yarrow
same ^^
misty hemlock
holy shit finally got a 370 azerite piece to replace my 340 one... those +30 ilvl give me a boost of an unbelievable +12 dps. Great system blizz 💯
daring imp
all coins rolled on fetid except one yesterday on ghuun
tardy ether
does azerite gear have a higher chance in m+ weekly chest? I got azerite pieces on 3 characters this week
tardy ether
guess that's all my luck for this expansion
round wadi
Is better pb then CT on zul?
urban storm
They said there is BLP on azerite gear in weekly cache
daring imp
@round wadi does your group suffer with cleave dmg?
high siren
you're playing with exsangue in mm+ with 2 SS ?
round wadi
Yea
twin hatch
hi bois against how may targets u start to spam fok and not muti and use crimson tempest?
high siren
3
daring imp
3+
hybrid mural
That's a sim yourself question. Just do a quick talent compare of exang vs TB. ezpz.
round wadi
Still can't tell if I should use CT on zul
spiral furnace
@daring imp TB or Exsang for M+?
tranquil pivot
LM got nerfed?
haughty flame
really?
tranquil pivot
Last Week, i think.
haughty flame
why is it so high on herodmg tho
fallen sandal
what's lm ?
fallen sandal
lasez matrix nvm
fossil agate
No trait is going unnerfed
LM is showing high because reorigination so its a 1x trait
sharp wharf
How do i use vanish when playing master assassin with 1 sharpened blade trait?
misty hemlock
i basically have half a bank full of azerite gear just because they'll nerf whatever's best next
it's ridiculous
daring imp
@spiral furnace i do exsang
haughty flame
so im confused
fallen sandal
quick question, i'm running 2 archives + 1Lm, using TB build, should i let garrote fade at pull and after using vanish ?
fossil agate
ILVL should all that matters- blizz2018
haughty flame
should i be using lazer matrix and/or achrive in raid?
fossil agate
Archive ideally
gleaming geyser
@fallen sandal if you are not running any SS trait, you vanish at 5.4
gleaming geyser
Yas
fallen sandal
kk 😃
gleaming geyser
Only once tho
gleaming geyser
The opener does feel much better with 1 SS
haughty flame
also for SB , how do i fit that into my rotation? just when it hits 30x stacks?
harsh raven
Any reason not to go with 2 x haste enchants on daggers?
gritty yoke
so whatcha guys thinking about crimson tempest in m+?
harsh raven
always top 2 stats?
cunning needle
top2 because diminishing returns
gleaming geyser
@harsh raven they only stack faster and share a similar ppm
cunning needle
i think
gleaming geyser
1 haste 1 crit is better
harsh raven
ok, thanx buddy
cunning needle
and scroll up about 7 hours
haughty flame
guys for sharpen blades - do i just use poisoned knife when its 30stacks?
cunning needle
for a big discussion about CT in m+
harsh raven
atleast I got a haste dagger in the weekly chest
gleaming geyser
@gritty yoke infested makes pulling slower and CT only shines above 4+ targets... I personally stick to PB for boss damage
summer yoke
@harsh raven lucky!
sinful lotus
Anybody using MA here? Do you feel like it makes much of a difference vs Subt?
haughty flame
please answer me T_T
little frigate
isnt twist the blade good? i mean, it sounds pretty good
gleaming geyser
@haughty flame 29 stacks+
cunning needle
it flashes at 29 stacks
haughty flame
ty
gleaming geyser
You get up to 2 AAs per swing, you can only stack up to 30. If you do at 29 you avoid overcapping, if you're at 28 next swing brings you to 30
sonic spindle
@sinful lotus It feels better for me tbh
gritty yoke
god azerite is such a fucking shit system. gib tiersets back pls
lone junco
I like the traits. fixed drop is wonky due to ilvl
tranquil pivot
did they ever took something back, when something went live?
sinful lotus
@sonic spindle it sims higher for me, and logically I can understand why to run it since i have no SS pieces (running 2 DD and 1 SoB) but why does nobody on warcraft logs use it?
lone junco
but 3ss in M+ is >> getting stuck with no cleave build ever.
tranquil pivot
i mean, is there hope for us, that this system could be taken back?
vale field
probably not only hope they improve it
tranquil pivot
...
lone junco
no way they can back track now. we are in it for 2 yrs.
cunning needle
yeah no way theyre getting rid of azerite traits
they'll "Fix" it but they wont get rid of it
gleaming geyser
Thats like saying legion getting rid of legendaries
desert vault
Being gone for months and coming back to trying to understand these traits .... that is the real challenge of returning the game 😐
cunning needle
just think of them as major glyphs you need to farm elin
cunning needle
azerite traits are just a shitty rip off the glyph system
desert vault
I guess I'm just going to shoot for one SS, one laser and one titans for funsies!
sonic spindle
@sinful lotus that’s a question for someone smarter than me
gleaming geyser
45 ilvl vendetta relics 
lone junco
when you want vendetta for raid and PK for M+
inland pivot
do you guys usually pool energy for toxic blades or do you when using elaborate planning or do you try to keep tyhat buff up?
lone junco
😦
desert vault
I've got a 370 with the titan, so I don't know if that is good or not, but sounds fun
sinful lotus
@sonic spindle Well thank you for trying. I still can't figure out it 😃
gleaming geyser
Pool for TB, keep env EP during TB yea
inland pivot
and does elaborate planning increase bleed dmg like ferals?
gleaming geyser
Doesnt snapshot
inland pivot
ah
gleaming geyser
Dynamic
inland pivot
i was trying to keep elab up as much as possible but wasnt pooling enough for toxic blades i guess, thanks for help
gleaming geyser
Yea with the amount of crit we have, its hard to keep it up for long
So we end up pooling often
inland pivot
yeah im stacking haste, at 19% in uldir rn, feels pretty good
sinful lotus
So when you guys talk about pooling, imagining you have 15+ secs on your Gar and Rup up, and TB is coming off CD soon. How long do you stand there whacking the target, not hitting Mut's or Env? Or have i completely missed the mark?
gleaming geyser
You only need 9 secs of EP and Env for ur TB pooling
You can fit that last 3 in the form of a rupture application
I try to aim for 100 energy for TB
sinful lotus
So you make sure you have 100 Energy before using TB, then you try to get 2x Env in that window?
lone junco
BTW.
Dunno if everyone is using top gear from raid bots, but
it is the only way I can keep azerite straight.
it lets you see your entire azerite inventory
what trait combos you have in your bag/bank,. what you could have, what you clearly are missing.
gleaming geyser
Yea pickle
strange python
fk dude, mp + tb sims higher than eb + exang on 5adds 40s
but it feels so bad to play with it
gleaming geyser
You clip envenoms so it lasts 9 seconds and reapply rupture for the last 3 seconds of EP
sinful lotus
Do you ever cast TB at 5 CP? insead of Env, TB, then having to build back to get 2x Env?
gleaming geyser
In your scenario
lone junco
gleaming geyser
No I would envenom then TB
lone junco
4cp+
haughty lily
is it still worth it to stack SS since the nerf to it? or should i stack the top traits on blood mallet
lone junco
I do 1 archive 2ss. and play exang.
sinful lotus
Ok so clip at 4+ cp to keep EP up during the ENV TB window?
lone junco
as long as it is within 0.1% dmg, I will use that
lone junco
unless GGG CT!
proven pumice
@lone junco my best set up so far has been 1 DitB, 1 archive, and 1 SS with exang or 3xSS in m+
limpid cave
Do I always envenom at 4-5 CP if all my other bleeds are accounted for
lone junco
@proven pumice same actually. I just didnt like the ditb. so I dropped a tiny smudge for the 2ss
sinful lotus
And what about priorities, saying maybe I planned poorly, but my TB is coming off CD and will be off CD several seconds before Gar and Rup, do you risk refreshing Rup and Gar during the Tb window? Do you delay TBm fresh gar and Rup? How do you make that call>?
gleaming geyser
Yea and make sure you clip ur envenoms and ep @limpid cave
sinful lotus
Or do you refresh gar and Rup even when they're not close to pandemic to avoid that problem entirely?
proven pumice
@lone junco do you dislike DitB because of positioning or because you just super like that juicy SS
fossil furnace
Any reason to run archive in M+? Or stack 3x SS trumps everything in M+?
gleaming geyser
If you have envenom already rolling into TB and need to refresh ur rupture its not a big deal
Rupture counts as EP refresh
sinful lotus
So is that all that matters? The EP refresh, or is there a specific syngergy between ENV and TB?
sorry i can't type for shit today
inland pivot
they synergize extremely well
gleaming geyser
i mean... TB increases poison damage done and Envenom increases ur application dmg
Thats the whole reasoning behind TB Env
sinful lotus
So using a Rup during TB technically detracts from that interaction then?
but it's not a huge dps loss?
craggy helm
it is a huge dps loss
signal summit
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inland pivot
Env buff last 7 sec btw
craggy helm
look at rupture's damage compared to envenom
tulip wedge
I personally refresh gar/rup to make sure i have my TB window open for env
lone junco
@proven pumice i feeeel. like I can focus on a simple rotation. and +/- 0.1% and I ffeeel like the simc apl use of GC w/r/t exang is not best when it comes to sync/desync and boss mechanics.
tulip wedge
new to assassin but im consistantly lego parsing with that
sinful lotus
@tulip wedge even if they aren't close to pandemic range, say 10+ seconds?
lone junco
I think the exang ss rotation can be better than sim, in any condition of a re-sync. from mechanic.
gleaming geyser
Losing 1 envenom empowered isnt worth delaying all ur shit and refreshing non optimally all ur shir
You're asking very specific cases
proven pumice
@lone junco I personally find getting that exsang timing down in a raid encounter to be pretty difficult. But when it works out it feels pretty good, that's for sure.
tulip wedge
i mean 10+ seconds i wouldnt refresh because toxic blade is only 9
lone junco
1min sync with gc seems to be my jam.
I dont have the superior brains to manage the desync.
tacit plaza
So many abbreviations it's hard to follow
lone junco
g g g ct v m r gc ex. wheee
gleaming geyser
x d
hard sonnet
mtgtcg
sinful lotus
@gleaming geyser I know my questions are specific and I appreciate the answers 😃
proven pumice
@lone junco would you be willing to look at logs from last night that I have? Maybe just whichever one I think was my best?
craggy helm
If I'm not mistaken I believe correct rotation for TB build is:
G > Rup > G > vendetta > TB > mut > envenom > mut > mut > envenom > vanish > G > rupture > G > mut > mut > envenom
And - throughout the fight, i.e., not in opener:
Keep garrotte up, keep rupture up, and use TB on cooldown followed by envenom
tulip wedge
ill also say a lot of the time i dont have the capacity to get that rotation perfect during boss fight mechanics
gleaming geyser
So yes, in a perfect world, your rupture and garrote is always fresh and TB is ready with 100 energy
craggy helm
I'm pretty new to rogue tbh, so let me know if im mistaken
gleaming geyser
I remember reading a post somewhere around here about why raidbots has slighty higher simdps compared to simc's desktop app
Does anyone remember why
tacit plaza
If you have like 6 seconds left till tb is up, but all your bleeds are fresh, and you have full CP, what do you do
sonic spindle
I’d probably pool
gleaming geyser
If you have low energy, you pool and envenom before TB so its empowered by EP and u have Env rolling
tulip wedge
if you have 100% energy, blow the env then mut mut pool
craggy helm
sorry, what is pool?
tulip wedge
wait
sonic spindle
Save energy
craggy helm
XD
tacit plaza
Envenom empowers TB which empowers envenom?
sinful lotus
You only gar Rup Gar if you're running SS traits though right? Otherwise it's just straight up Gar, Mut Rup pop coolies?
gleaming geyser
Envenom gets you EP which empowers TB and TB empowers your deadly poison
Then TB empowers your subsequent envenoms
tacit plaza
Seems like a tight window
craggy helm
@sinful lotus I believe the double garrotte reasoning is from the subterfuge talent, not from SS
royal lantern
you should always get atleast 2 envenoms out when you use tb
tulip wedge
yeah you dont pandemic the garrote in subterfuge without SS
i asked about that earlier but without simming it myself ill leave it to the experts
gleaming geyser
Garrote Mut for non SS
craggy helm
oh interesting, so i've been double garrotting no matter what within subterfuge. Wouldn't the talent be a waste then if not running SS?
tulip wedge
its still good just not worth the 4-5 extra seconds vs the energy spent and GCD
sinful lotus
@gleaming geyser Alright that's what I thought, but wasn't sure. @craggy helm Leads me to my previous questions, why do people run Subt if they dont run SS?
gleaming geyser
Talent row is kinda yikes anyway without SS. Not worth energy/cp
tulip wedge
hm i should sim master assassin without ss...
tacit plaza
@craggy helm you're getting like two subterfuge ticks for a gc so idk
tulip wedge
without**
craggy helm
I guess in M+ the triple G is a godsend, but yeah...dunno about for ST
sonic spindle
MA was like a 400dps improve for me over sub
royal lantern
the other2 talents are pretty weak right now
olive shore
@sinful lotus in m+ the silence with iron wire is insanely strong
gleaming geyser
@sinful lotus better than NS and MA in a few cases
abstract shuttle
its funny cuz suppsedly a sim with MA and Double dose traits is good
Havnet confiirmed though
royal lantern
for most people, rupture is not strong enough for nightstalker, MA deepens on your stats
gleaming geyser
Its just how its tuned pickle
abstract shuttle
Havent*
tacit plaza
What's the m+ strat right now? Stack SS, ggg, ct, then cycle ruptures?
daring imp
^
sinful lotus
@pexa So you think SUbt is still stronger? I just have no clue. MA sims higher for me by 30 dps. I have zero SS traits and run TB over Xsang. But all the top parses on WCL (also not using SS) are all using SuBt still
@olive shore yea I still use 2SS and 1 SoB in M+ and love it
gleaming geyser
Subt is easier to manage and is better on double target
In Uldir, a lot of fights have multi target and you can double garrote
craggy helm
ehhhh...I screw up my sub combos far worse than i ever do assasin
sinful lotus
@pexa that makes a lot of sense 😃
sonic spindle
MA feels better to me tbh.
tacit plaza
@craggy helm subterfuge not subtelty
gleaming geyser
Subt not Sub @craggy helm
craggy helm
oof
tacit plaza
@gleaming geyser they both start with subt tbf
gleaming geyser
@tacit plaza
hushed wagon
Sorry just chiming in, I’m wondering if ass rogues typically outclass subtlety rogues in high m+.. also wondering if I should make the switch
gleaming geyser
Good let the FOTM move to survival
lone junco
@hushed wagon lots of high end sin players.
sonic spindle
Sin it to win it
placid elbow
we have a MA rotation?
sinful lotus
Why does SC still list Xsang rogue as top performer? I thought TB was pulling ahead?
sonic spindle
Garrote > mut > rupture
hushed wagon
I generally stick to one spec but if sin performs better i have no choice, I can’t hold the group back with my dps haha
sonic spindle
Then normal rotation
gloomy stump
@brave gyro nice a class with 3 meele dps specs is way worse with all specs then a hybrid class that has a tank a heal and a dps spec
tacit plaza
I wonder how it would be to play a class that isn't in constant flux
gloomy stump
GJ blizzard, literal drooling dauns
placid elbow
@sonic spindle thanks
gleaming geyser
Have no choice... If you're not in a world 50 guild you have some leverage
tacit plaza
Changing my rotation and gear every two weeks is getting dumb
candid phoenix
@tacit plaza ye its becoming frustrating a bit
sonic spindle
I mean, you could be a shaman or spriest
brave gyro
I mean, the whole community cried to blizz for a month " 👶 why r rogues top simming wtf stupid class 👶 " @gloomy stump
sonic spindle
You gotta look at the bright side, rogues generally are in a decent spot at all times.
brave gyro
^
i prefer to be low key great rather than spectacular and being first on the nerf-chopping board
candid phoenix
the problem is, blizz made SS so strong and every other trait garbage, so when they nerfed SS we were sitting there with crappy traits struggling to find a solution
tacit plaza
I guess but I'd still rather not get tuned every week. Maybe if they just gave like flat reductions and kept the numbers the same
candid phoenix
DD helped even the scales a bit at least
sonic spindle
I don’t pay attention to other classes, but I’m sure they’re probably having similar issues, traits are just awfully implemented across the board.
tacit plaza
I don't even get how blizz tests their tuning? Just hit it with a hammer for two days and throw it live?
sonic spindle
I can’t blame them for smashing SS for aoe fights, but it really was a cool for ST imo
tall dagger
Could anyone give me some tips? I’ve been watching and reading a lot of guides, but I can’t seem to keep up my DPS, I can burst up to 22k, but I die down fast to about 9-10k sometimes as low as 8.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/2X6qyh7w3d8VRcZj/#fight=9&type=damage-done&source=11
I’ve changed up my enchants, and working on gems.
Gunness
placid garnet
short wave
crit + haste
tulip wedge
depends on highest stim stat
tacit plaza
@tall dagger 90% up time on rupture
short wave
btw bro. ur dot uptime is low. thats why ur not making dmg
tacit plaza
Gotta pump that shit up
sonic spindle
@tall dagger what traits are you running?
tall dagger
candid phoenix
u are still running SS for raids
that is why
and very low ilvl SS traits as well
tall dagger
So, move away from SS?
candid phoenix
well yeah. let me show u smthng
tall dagger
Ok
tall dagger
Wow gah damn
daring imp
2.6k on a sim for a piece?
daring imp
well i'm stuck with 1x ss nothing else drops ç_ç
gusty anvil
Ss in raid still works??
sonic spindle
Meh
candid phoenix
it works but its not good anymore
gusty anvil
16.2 isn't good?
gusty anvil
2
candid phoenix
impressive
regal snow
just try to upgrade ur GC and u are safe xD
gusty anvil
Oh weapon I forgot
fossil jewel
Maybe I'm dumb, but is it just me or are other people also having to pay a ton to reforge traits after one or another getting nerfed every week?
sonic spindle
I can’t look it up, but doesn’t that chest have archive trait on it @tall dagger
fossil agate
Bruh i dont have a single good second trink
gusty anvil
I was just saying SS single Target gives me highest sim still
candid phoenix
well @gusty anvil look at my chest. i got 370 chest with SS
sims 400 dps lower than Rezans Fury lol
daring imp
@fossil jewel that's my secret, i have all shitty 340 pieces so i don't have to pay for anything 🐢
desert vault
Boy, my target dummy numbers make me want to quit 😃
fossil agate
Lmao
desert vault
Sim around 11k, only 352, but can't break 9k on a dummy 😐
desert vault
oh?
sonic spindle
Simming with raid buffs?
regal snow
yeah i sim 15,4k aswell and never hit the 14 even
fossil jewel
@daring imp Lmao ah. So I'm doing it wrong. Idk, maybe it isnt a valid complaint, but it gets annoying when I try to play all 3 specs and am up to a 20k gold cost to reforge when our traits keep getting nerfed
fossil agate
Flask prepot, and raid buffs make up a chunk of thst
candid phoenix
ye exactly
young swan
Having lust, 2 prepots, flask, food and rune is alot of extra dps
daring imp
hazy skiff
Anybody know if the sims for sin changed over night? no change in my gear and outlaw was simming better for me last night, but now sin is higher?????
desert vault
I guess, I just sim with the base settings on raidbots
candid phoenix
i sim 15.5 and i can keep 14.9k on Mother in LFR which is like a dummy 😄
fossil jewel
Any seasoned Sin rogues mind telling me if this dps seems low for my ilvl? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9dEAYSzgYEiYTitpPkVJQy
daring imp
brothaaaa
cerulean walrus
That's P good man
fossil jewel
Ok, cool. I need better trinkets so bad
daring imp
shoulders don't have the 2nd ring yet
fossil jewel
Running a 345 dice, and Frenetic Corp
young swan
I sim around that, I'm 362
regal snow
@fossil jewel yeah try to upgrade ur trinkets and get better traits and u should be fine
fossil agate
Im at 13.9 at 362 with trash trink
hazy skiff
@fossil jewel why not get fathoms?
daring imp
THEY DON'T DROP Ç_Ç
candid phoenix
@fossil jewel i got 390 Frenetic and Fathoms sims 0.1% lower than it
daring imp
@hazy skiff someone mentioned something about snek eyes changing dps on sims, dunno why tho
fossil jewel
Started on a new faction this xpac so couldnt afford it. I'm getting close to getting Fathoms tho @hazy skiff
candid phoenix
Fathoms is broken atm
daring imp
better to ask there
cerulean walrus
I'm at 13k at 355
unreal cairn
I farmed SOTS about 7 or 8 times for galecallers, gotta put the work in and try to avoid tilt when you keep getting cloaks instead lol
regal snow
390 Brain lul
cerulean walrus
390 Brain = 390 IQ
candid phoenix
its not as good as u would think
fossil agate
Ive done 10 shrine 9s and not gotten one
candid phoenix
its 2.9-3.2% of my dmg
sonic spindle
F shrine.
candid phoenix
fathoms is 3.5% of my dmg
hazy skiff
@daring imp it actually wasnt my outlaw sim that changed but my sin rather
regal snow
i know that its not good but this procc again
candid phoenix
but the agility difference makes the trick for frenetic
regal snow
yeah thats it
hybrid mural
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iqgcWTWtmFHNRVREV25uXM wat in the el. I took SS think woo finally got 370 piece with it. done goofed rip reforge cost. always sim kids
tall dagger
Not sure @sonic spindle , I would check but not on my PC right now
sonic spindle
@tall dagger that’s a big deal, because of reorigination array
tall dagger
@sonic spindle so if it has it, switch it to that?
limber dew
was 13.6k assa this morning
nova gazelle
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
daring imp
@hybrid mural yea you had no other RA on gear @_@"
sonic spindle
@tall dagger for raids probably, you’d have to sim, but array is a pretty decent buff especially with how high stacks are getting.
tall dagger
@sonic spindle ok cool, I need to hop on the sim train too, first month back since WOD so still learning all this new stuff
placid elbow
I feel like Doom's Wake is underwhelming... is it even worth using?
sonic spindle
Raidbots making simming so easy I find excuses to sim tbh
placid elbow
Some people aren't using MA without SS, what are the openers like in that case?
sonic spindle
Pretty much the same tbh
placid elbow
@empty elbow that's what I thought, i guess it's simming higher.. for some reason lol
hybrid mural
o no no, the SS and matrix are on the same piece (RA gear is active as long as you have a piece from the raid right? even if it isn't the "generic trait"), I just didin't realize matrix was THAT much more. Maybe I'm wrong there though.
empty elbow
It’s just worse than dungeon trinkets of similar ilvl
candid phoenix
well my SS chest is not simming well
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/u6iqDFpsnbstADWVywDBZ2
placid elbow
what are anyone's thoughts on Frenetic Corpuscle?
I feel like it's a poor man's Fathoms lol
regal snow
wrong talents
hybrid mural
Ah, nm @daring imp , I misunderstood how the RA worked, you gain stacks even without, but you have the have matrix or laser equipped to gain the benefit. MB that explains a lot.
stuck shuttle
i still sim well with SS
silent dagger
Anyone have a clue how good Frenetic Corpuscle is?
proven pumice
SS works very well when you spec for Exsang and have a GC
tranquil pivot
Frenetic Corpuscle is big shit!
regal snow
@silent dagger its only good if it procc to Narnia and u cant get better trinkets
tranquil pivot
the buffed proc-rate but nerfed dmg.
silent dagger
so i should use my 355 gladiator badge for main stat instead 370 frenetic?
limber dew
@silent dagger its great for outlaw
placid elbow
Frenetic is actually getting me more consistent DPS on a dummy lol.
proven pumice
You should sim
twin kite
Do we have to trust sim everyday?
fossil agate
Yes
twin kite
ok so sad chest m10 loot 😦
daring imp
you don't have to trust it 100% but it's good to have a rough idea of how good your current gear/talents/traits are
you'll def see something wrong if* you sim too low compared to other people
static sparrow
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vL8b4q4k3b9CeaRGVegKky on par or does it look a bit low?
paper aspen
How accurate/trustworthy is Askmrrobot?
fresh ginkgo
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nwdNuzrxoegNDkiL8upt9h lol when you get Frenetic Corpuscle instead of 370 chest 
pure sparrow
0%
mint osprey
Are people taking Double Dose over SS in m+ even now?
twin kite
@daring imp actually sim 380 ring versa/haste less than 370 crit/haste. (the 380 give me 42more haste) so i'm confused
paper aspen
Shim, was that an answer to my question?
twin kite
@daring imp and i've alerady a versa/haste 380 with ring
queen tiger
is darkmoon trinket worth it?
fossil agate
Yes
tardy storm
definitely
signal summit
is TB vs EXSANG correct in sims ? so i pretty much use what sims the most right
pure sparrow
if you don't have one better, yes @queen tiger
paper aspen
Alright, I'll look into it. I got some strange answers from Mr robot and that explains it some
pure sparrow
then for sure
raidbots has best sims, AMR is ran by a small collective group, raidbots allows anyone to contribute to the APL, and so our wonderful theorycrafters and number crunchers work on raidbot apl
candid phoenix
most annoying thing for me atm, is that socket is worth 100 dps on sims for me. this will drop over the future patches ofc but currently its badly designed
uncut comet
!wa
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astral sundial
hey guys, for m+ - unstable catalyst or scent for blood? I know there are probably better traits out there, but it's my only 370 : /
versed finch
Scent
daring imp
@mint osprey not likely @_@"
spring prawn
did they nerf garrote again?
versed finch
Rupture everything
spring prawn
did i miss something
spring prawn
last garrote nerf was the 40% one right?
versed finch
^ after that
spring prawn
or was there another one aswell
versed finch
Just that one
pure sparrow
there was no additional
versed finch
And that was just to SS not garrote itseld
spring prawn
ye ok ty
pure sparrow
but they're pretty much the same thing
versed finch
Pretty much
pure sparrow
its really weird going from M+ rotation on bosses with 3 SS to ST raid rotation with 0 SS
feels unnatural
spring prawn
im just using same rotation in both LUL
daring imp
check it out
it's not that different in deeps ( mine is like 15dps apart ) but without any SS you can see the dif in opening
jagged patio
pure sparrow
does it feel better
placid elbow
MA is great for ST
rain breach
@pure sparrow with 0 SS maybe you go better TB
pure sparrow
its barely a difference in my sims
placid elbow
Subterfuge is probably better for Multi Targets just so you can stack garrotes on multiple targets
daring imp
@jagged patio shoulders don't have 2nd trait, using SS ...
pure sparrow
the TB vs exsang
hazy skiff
@jagged patio your azerite traits
rain breach
but with 0 SS you go bnetter with TB
astral sundial
another SS-bug question - now that SS was nerfed heavily, assuming only 1 stack of SS, is it still worth to wait out for all the 3 to expire before doing the 4'th one? (on 4 different targets). I know the pined message says you shouldn't overwrite it - but it wasn't updated in a while.
fierce ingot
anyone know if you can save the different talent setups in raidbots so i dont have to enter like 16 combinations each time
rain breach
SS is fixed?
pure sparrow
since when
spring prawn
since ss nerf lol
tawdry breach
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
spring prawn
they stealth fixed it
rain breach
it was not fixed on the nerf day
spring prawn
it was for EU
rain breach
no
astral sundial
@spring prawn what is your source?
pure sparrow
they're literally the same
spring prawn
isnt patch tuesday for na?
rough agate
ya
pure sparrow
its the same patch tho lol
twin hatch
do u use crimson tempest also vs 2/3 tars?
spring prawn
eu is wednesday
rain breach
the SS nerf is a week ago
mint osprey
ss is still bugged I just confirmed
spring prawn
im p sure its fixed, lemme check lol
mint osprey
lol
pure sparrow
i feel like, if it was fixed, the entire discord would know by now
rough agate
right lol
pure sparrow
and the pin would have been updated immediately. seeing as how thats the #1 thing this channelhas complained about since BFA launch
rough agate
Tbh i didnt realize it even did that and ive been 4 garroting this whole time so RIP
rain breach
but whatever with 0 SS TB > Exs
spring prawn
ok its defo not fixed, guess i gimped my dmg by a fuckton xD
pure sparrow
lol
spring prawn
pulled 16k overall in atal while using 4th garrote, feelsgoodman
pure sparrow
might as well have been using a different trait
astral sundial
maybe someone could answer my question then: the pin wasn't updated for SS nerf. is it still worth not to cast the 4'th garrote untill all 3 expired, assuming 4 diffrent targets and 1 SS trait?
pure sparrow
could have been doing 20k
yes its still worth waiting for 4
why would you even go SS if you're just going to remove the traits buff by doing the 4th one
might as well go anything else
astral sundial
- maybe I am just stuck with the trait
rain breach
2 DD 1 PW ;)=
astral sundial
- the combo points are nice
pure sparrow
never true, theres always default trait
astral sundial
well look at ghuun for example
pure sparrow
SS does literally nothing unless you use garotte out of stealth
scenic nacelle
ghuun p1 dps doesnt matter
pure sparrow
padding
green sierra
gusy best trait combo for raiding atm?
visual token
Gotta pump those meters bruv
tender rune
is assa best on m+ / raids as like... on avg? I mean I know Sub is strongest on ST and Outlaw are doing pretty good on aoe, but like.. is Sin best avg?
pure sparrow
sin best
rain breach
1 DD 1PW 1 Archive is whatv i go in raid
opaque grotto
Sin is great
spring prawn
whats pw
opaque grotto
Pretty sure sin is performing better than sub
daring imp
i'm not sure i understood your question @tender rune
rain breach
poison wire
pure sparrow
sub sims higher on ST as per simulationcraft 380's
green sierra
thanks
rough agate
i feel simc is behind a bit
spring prawn
sub sims higher, theres no way you're getting close to the sims tho
pure sparrow
actually
rough agate
whoa simc is dif now sub is waaaay lower
pure sparrow
updated sims has outlul above sin above sub
sub is rock bottom after DITB nerf
below shadow priest lol
strange python
wtf?
rain breach
ah cool simc is updated
pure sparrow
we're still second of the 3 specs, lul and sub switched places
astral sundial
that cuz simc is using shaprned blades in sub profile
the actual sim is much higher
daring imp
ditb or bits @pure sparrow ?
rough agate
the potential max for outlaw is insane
languid plover
man, you had me instantly on the patch notes, I thought ditb took another nerf today @pure sparrow
daring imp
@astral sundial how can sub sim higher than that now that both sb and bits got nerfed? @_@"
just asking, i'm not really someone that's well versed in sub
astral sundial
@daring imp cuz BitS nerf is not that impactful, those profiles don't use uldir traits. in reality sub only use 1xBitS in raid
it was like 200 dps loss
compact socket
drowsy elk
anyone know whos weakaura package this is, seen it on multiple rogue videos from diff players https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GyL2lFwiWM
compact socket
I don't know why I'm not easily over 15k after seeing multiple other sims of players worse geared than I. I must be missing something.
pure sparrow
i mean yeah, thats technically true i guess
daring imp
oh, got it, ty @astral sundial
astral sundial
ye, if they have traits that rely heavly on stacking
but for me for example, with whatever gear setup I use, I can't make sin get close to my sub sim
like 500 dps diffrence
daring imp
makes sense
placid elbow
my haste is pretty good too and i sim lower than i think i should be at lol
pure sparrow
sorry that was at @compact socket
compact socket
I thought haste target was around 15%?
compact socket
Stat weights aren't grossly off. Hard to believe I'm missing 1k DPS from stat allocation
daring imp
@drowsy elk combo points are from afenar WA
placid elbow
likewise
daring imp
something like "smartcombopoints" or so
hazy skiff
@compact socket id probably say its your azerite traits you only benefit from RA once
daring imp
the rest ... not sure 😦
drowsy elk
thanks
pure sparrow
hm
compact socket
@hazy skiff RA means?
compact socket
So the fact that I have both a laser matrix and an archive is bad?
pure sparrow
so realistically you would WANT to change that laser matrix to a double dose / DITB
daring imp
^
compact socket
I'll sub my 355 laser helm for 340 SS and see what it does but I doubt it's anything.
nimble bison
Why do top rated m+ rogues use 340 ss pieces? Is it just better than any 385 with other traits?
daring imp
for m+, yes @nimble bison , unless a real high scent of blood, like a 385 one, probably
hazy skiff
@compact socket refer to https://bloodmallet.com/index.html#rogue_assassination?data_view=azerite_traits&type=itemlevel&tier=3 for the comparison between your traits
daring imp
even then it's really, really close to 340's SS's
pure sparrow
your wet dream for M+ is fetid 370 chest with SS
hazy skiff
@compact socket any RA trait beyond the first one has significantly less benefit than the first
nimble bison
@daring imp ty i actually just got a 385 sob thats why i was wondering
placid elbow
So if you had no choice right now, would you choose Laser+Archive or Laser+SS?
daring imp
be sure to get good on the rupture spreading
pure sparrow
Laser SS
daring imp
that's what will make it decent @nimble bison
compact socket
I actually lost 50 DPS switching that out
nimble bison
@daring imp ty ill try
compact socket
1k DPS is pretty massive margin, something might be wrong with my sim settings.
pure sparrow
are your raid buffs on
compact socket
tbh not sure always used defaults
placid elbow
^
daring imp
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3EYCXAriEvhKRt7KrFWoZv before optimizing stuff
pure sparrow
most people sim with them on
daring imp
after optimizing stuff https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2wvYNM84A3EV8dnpGMHR5X
pure sparrow
so they can get larger numbers
daring imp
@compact socket
compact socket
That must be it then. Not even sure how to turn on lol
hazy skiff
its defaulted to be on
placid elbow
i was always under the impression it was Off
pure sparrow
yeah lol
astral sundial
why wouldn't you sim with it on...it drastically effects your stat weights
daring imp
and on a raid scenario it's ideal to sim with it on @_@"
pure sparrow
^
you're hopefully not pulling uldir raid bosses without flasks food and a hero lol
daring imp
i mean you'll always have lust to pop on every boss fight
placid elbow
well, if it's defaulted to be ON
hazy skiff
same-ish i mean
placid elbow
then it's fine lol
young meteor
what traits are people liking for m+? 7+ keys?
compact socket
Is the setting for raid buffs in the raidbots sim prompt somewhere? Not seeing it.
tender rune
what traits are you running guys? 3 x SS?
pure sparrow
for what
its under like additional options or something, below boss fight length and shit
latent scarab
What talents are you guys running for m+ this week?
compact socket
Found it thanks.
main blaze
Archive + 2x SS
latent scarab
Is it just always CT for m+ ?
languid plover
CT outperforms PB in m+ pretty consistently
cyan frost
latent scarab
^
compact socket
Well confirmed my low sims isn't due to raid buffs missing. How depressing.
languid plover
if you have SS, get your garrotes out, do a CT, and then FoK -> rupture, just get the ruptures out, ignore the CPs
you want the energy regen and trash will die before ruptures expire anyways
latent scarab
thx
dusk valve
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
vale yew
in general, does FoK replace muti on 2+ or 3+ targets?
placid elbow
Gutripper vs Elemental Whirl
languid plover
for aoe you should pretty much never muti, yeah
latent scarab
Was seriously considering going back to Sub with ST
placid elbow
Gutripper>Elemental Whirl?
latent scarab
thx
astral sundial
with my low crit I keep regretting every single FoK I cast 😦
solid parrot
I was in the same boa Zulu, even played it last week because teeming had big enough packs to really funnel nice. Then I got a 385 high alt turban and it put sin back as my highest ST spec ;/
boat*
latent scarab
I main sub. 22% crit
solid parrot
like a 950 dps increase for sin
vale yew
nub question since I just switched from outlaw, in a 2 target boss fight would FoK replace muti for CP generation?
nimble bison
Spam rupture in aoe is fun
languid plover
I run 1 SoB + 2 SS for M+
nimble bison
Yes
languid plover
spam rupture is your bread and butter
pure sparrow
and you'll waste combo points like an idiot thta could have gone to more envenom's unless you're really thinking about how long each mob will live
nimble bison
Yea thinking is annoying 😦
languid plover
if you're running SoB, getting out 3 ruptures will drastically change your dps vs that one extra envenom you 'missed'
tender rune
what is ct?
young meteor
crimson tempest
pure sparrow
crimson tempest
solid parrot
Yeah shim usually spread garrotes on opener then only rupture on large mobs and envenom
latent scarab
That energy gain of multiple ruptures though 
solid parrot
for non fort weeks
tender rune
oh, do people play with crimson tempest?
compact socket
Can someone who sims well over 15k link their stat weights?
pure sparrow
That’s how I do it as well joop
gilded oasis
are you liking the 1 SOB and 2SS? I am trying to figure out what to switch to for m+ now. I still have 3 ss and its working out okay
stuck shuttle
@compact socket ill link you mine
solid parrot
Similar paradigm on sub where technically in cleave spreading nightblade is highest if mobs are guaranteed to live, but the human error involved in that usually lends just nightblade on prio target being better decision
languid plover
I haven't tried it for this week, but SOB was really strong last week
desert pelican
how many haste u guys run in myth+ ? around 10%? lower higher?
inner pecan
@compact socket https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/h5y9yKWfBUC59jCCedmPNS
icy iris
Whats the opener for +1 DD?
pure sparrow
Yep. It’s the same as night blade. Energy regen is sexy and all, but any combo points wasted because mobs die too quickly = less big envenoms
verbal nimbus
hectix why does your chest have 2 heeds?
old escarp
That's why you just spam ruptures with however many CP your FoK gives
astral sundial
@old escarp FML I keep getting 1 CP
latent scarab
@pure sparrow no haste gain from multi NB though
gilded oasis
fok better 
old escarp
1CP fine for tyrannical weeks. I wouldn't worry too much
leaden niche
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/b361ahCPnTmiCViALCG475 jeez, azerite piece gave me a jump
solid parrot
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/b1JmeZeRy8rkdZuzsJyo8Z pretty even spread, kinda painful having haste above agi
woa master assassin pulling ahead gotta check that
inner pecan
only for TB no SS builds
old escarp
@solid parrot what's you're haste %? Sorry I'm on mobile
latent scarab
1CP ?
old escarp
1 combo point. I'm refernce to aoe spam ruptures
solid parrot
15%
latent scarab
@old escarp Ahh, k thx
old escarp
I've found with TB and no SS haste is lower than crit. Running 1x SS with exsang now and haste sims highest
junior aurora
When you get imminent ruin 8 times 🤢
languid plover
with haste affecting bleed tick rate, I'd imagine more haste also gets you extra ticks for your exsang
junior aurora
Yeah haste sims really high for exsang
solid parrot
Yeah someone was talking about waiting for gcb to exsang
tender rune
so... how much "haste" is considered high?
daring imp
i got ~22% inside uldir and it's still my highest simming stat lul
solid parrot
hmm yeah I didn't check with array stacks
lime panther
My stats in raid 26%crit 25%haste 28% mast at 269ilvl
solid parrot
well stat weights w/ array stacks and 15% baseline
weak flame
I got 1500 hast and it still sims higher than agi
languid plover
based off some ask mr robot sims it said ideal haste is around 2.2k
old escarp
24% haste with RA buff. Exsang and 1x SS. Haste still highest stat
solid parrot
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nfdM6gnaiNgqY1hnzeG8gq I lost 300 dps from weekly, what on my gear got nerfed? I thought if anything poisoned wire got buffed
no SS or SB
gilded oasis
do you guys think archive is worth it in m+? or better off with something else?
proven ice
You have PW, it should have gone up..
old escarp
If you have SS. Use that for M+. You get many more restealths than raid
gilded oasis
true, just wasnt sure if the effect was better + ilvl
lime panther
I took off exenge and SS and went double archive , debating on swapping off 1 archive for ss n running exenge but I haven't resimmed it
compact socket
So I switched a crit over mastery ring out for a haste over crit one same ilvl and it only gave me 30 DPS. Hard-pressed to think that my issue is stat allocation. Stat weights are really wonky though. The 15k DPS players with same ilvl get more bang for their buck across the board. Which actually makes no sense mathematically. For example no stat of mine is worth 2 DPS per point. What the hell. https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/c5M8J7bPo2rFEZDbvFik66
proven ice
Can you not dodge the warrior ads on zek?
languid plover
@solid parrot since you're not running SS, try switching off subterfuge
old escarp
Sim a 3-5 boss patchwerk for 40w and see what is best for your gear. Sorta representative for M+
hazy skiff
@compact socket check my dm to you
gilded oasis
ah nice, I never really knew what to sim for +s
lone junco
@languid plover with my haste and exang. I believe garrote goes from 2sec (23s) base ticks to 0.6s over 11s
Ish.
lime panther
Wtf is the opener again with MA vs subt
And tb
Gar/mut/rup/vend/mut/tb/env/mut/env?
Like legionish?
daring imp
something something ep up vanish tb env mut something i guess
solid parrot
wonder if an APL change is causing it
proven ice
Is it not gar, mut, rupture, venetta, vanish, mute, venom, mut?
tender rune
are you playing with master assassin?
solid parrot
oh yeah good point w/ MA didn't think about that
daring imp
i'll try to mess with the apl a bit
leaden niche
@proven ice i tried evasion on zek adds last night and still got debuff
woeful scaffold
mastery sims higher than haste for me now
daring imp
@proven ice where does tb enter on that
late bison
How do you guys feel about running 2xSS 1xBI instead of triple SS for M+. I'll replace a 340 SS for a 370 BI
late bison
Or how do I sim it best to see results