I'm still rocking ss traits cuz azerite gear doesn't drop feelsgood
#assassination
ashen ermine
balmy cradle
@iron prism and while theyre at it, remove versatility from the game, most boring stat ever created
lilac lily
I'm using 2x SS 1x LM
hollow stone
The name not the question; with haste values the way they are, its likely that stacking haste will be bis for this tier but you gotta sim yourself to be sure
ashen ermine
2x SS 1x DD here
iron prism
i'm rocking SS on a 340 piece because my 355 has garbage traits, and 2x laser matrix because of ilvl
i should just go hunt down some azerite gear... oh wait azerite doesn't drop in m+. good design 👍
ashen ermine
Praying for a helm in raid this week
torpid crag
The system is so fking flawed
strange python
spice surge
You guys complained that raiding didnt reward the best gear, thats why azerite doesnt drop in m+ 😄
strange python
I'm the best :v)
lyric glen
"you guys" i resemble that remark
balmy cradle
well theoretically pvp rewards the best gear at gladiator rating 😄
lyric glen
i mean resent
hollow stone
You people
spice surge
Its almost as if it were a joke
ashen ermine
No joking allowed.
hollow stone
THIS GAME ISNT JUST A GAME YOU KNOW @spice surge
ashen ermine
😂
iron prism
"guys, we have two working systems with tiers and artifact traits. how can we take both of them and make them garbage. any ideas?"
torpid crag
instead of buffing bad azerite traits they just nerf every good one
FeelsGoodMan clap
hollow stone
Nerf the good ones instead so the raid tier lasts longer. Its genius
iron prism
@frosty sentinel i think that's part of what feels so bad. like i get that SS needed to be nerfed or whatever... but how about making stuff that is clearly grossly undertuned better while you're at it?
hollow stone
Poison wire got buffed doe
strange python
^
hollow stone
Or whatever that garbo trait is called
strange python
xD
iron prism
"slightly more poisoned wire, still pretty harmless"
sweet sedge
is SS not good now? looking at bloodmallet and its pretty low on the list now
wheat zealot
Its got some cheap generic rat poison on it
hollow stone
They buffed the worst frost dk trait by 100% and its still like 1500% off being useable. We're in it next
broken fiber
Does anyone else love spending all their gold on reforge or just me
ashen ermine
"just step over the wire son"
paper aspen
Since gear has static azerite traits, doesn't that mean we should be able to make a list of which pieces of azerite gear are ideal from heroics, mythics and raids? Particularly where various traits are concerned
modern smelt
What does this stacking nerf on sb even mean.... why is it so hard for them to tell us numbers.
paper aspen
(if this exists, sorry for being late and a link to the resource would be appreciated)
iron prism
the problem is that static azerite traits aren't static, they're significantly changed almost daily
hollow stone
My guess: sb is now linear instead of exponential
buoyant ember
30%
hollow stone
But thats a guess
ashen ermine
iron prism
@paper aspen if you go to azerite traits on icy veins, you can select a trait you want and it'll list all gear with that trait
wheat zealot
^^^
paper aspen
@iron prism I don't mean how good the trait is but what gear has which traits and etc.
Oh thanks!
hollow stone
You can also look at each az piece individually on wowhead if you want to hate yourself
iron prism
but yeah i'm not spending time hunting down double dose shoulders from m0 just to get it nerfed tomorrow in a hotfix
wheat zealot
You mean you dont know every single leather azerite piece by name and know exactly what traits are on it?
What a casual
hollow stone
High altitude turban bis???!!
iron prism
for the moment yeah
clever tartan
What does it have
paper aspen
Damn, I gave that helm away last night
inner pulsar
1xDitB, 1xDD, 1xArchive, bis. Calling it right now
hollow stone
Dd is so poop for m+. They shouldnt nerf it. But its blizz we talking aboot
lyric glen
dont give anythign away. be a hoarder
sweet sedge
so wait... did i miss something and SS just start to suck overnight?
lyric glen
if your guildmate looks at you with those puppy dog eyes just ignore it
paper aspen
It's funny because I got yelled at for winning gear and giving it away
balmy cradle
or just dont loot the boss and wait for post
paper aspen
Because someone else wanted gear I gave away but they didn't mention they needed it until after I gave it to someone who said they needed it .
wheat zealot
Oh well lul
wheat zealot
Tell them to get raidbots premium so it doesnt take 5 minutes to sim an upgrade
hollow stone
At least our plan of all rerolling dh worked. Revolving blades got nerfed. Good work team
iron prism
@hollow stone you were not prepared?
strange python
im going to feel really bad for the other classes when DITB becomes our BiS
hollow stone
Lol. Now that daddy's dead none of them are prepared
clever tartan
Ditb?
inner pulsar
@hollow stone
iron prism
dh's have sacrificed 1% of their dps, what have you given?
strange python
Dagger in the bakc
clever tartan
Ah
unkempt karma
Ditb, as I can see we can only stack two traits? I cant see any shoulders with it
hollow stone
Ditb is already bis for multiple classes
inner pulsar
Its shit!
iron prism
@unkempt karma freebooter shoulderpads, parrot-trainer mantle
clever tartan
All these changes are so annoying... having to switch bis talents all the time
lime panther
Agreed af
unkempt karma
@iron prism But they have to proc to get o 340 correct?
balmy perch
Didnt you mmow, blizzards goal this expansion is to make everyone spent theor gold.
Increasing acaling azerote respec and weekly nirfs to best traits
iron prism
@unkempt karma but hey this is azerite so we actually need a WQ chest @340 lol
clever tartan
Not even gold just farming all peices in 370+ gg blizz
strange python
Honestly at this point I've stopped caring about getting BiS traits, they're gonna get nerfed in the next week anyway
clever tartan
Fck having 340s on...
iron prism
@strange python same, sadly
balmy perch
Ill just keep my engineering goggles on
unkempt karma
@iron prism - whoopie.. guess we gota farm the other two ^^
clever tartan
And m+ and raid traits differ to make things even easier
lyric glen
well it's not like you can farm azerite pieces that are high ilevel anyway. you get what you get each week
balmy perch
But dont get me started how terrible engineering is right now
paper aspen
The nerf today caused Double dose to pull ahead of sharpened blades, and SS is just weaker now due to nerfs but still significant source of damage, right?
iron prism
ion, probably: "it felt bad needing to farm traits you wanted, so we made it impossible to farm azerite gear"
balmy perch
I feel like ss is still strong in M+
clever tartan
Yea ss is still good in m+
jovial aurora
Is 2 sb still bis for us or is it something else now?
strange python
SS is still good in M+ but like, i'd rather not respec between doing solo content, doing Raid and then doing M+
balmy perch
Yes o agree about the respeccing
iron prism
ss is bascially good if fights are short (either 1 garrote or 2 garotte w/vanish) and/or if you can dot multiple targets
balmy perch
I am in a small guild that doesnt really raid anyway though
iron prism
i use 1 SS for heroic raiding but i'm not sure if i might spec out of it soon
tropic rover
So what traits are worth running in pvp?
strange python
i went from being undisputed top dps in first week to being 3rd this week, probably gonna be like 5th this week
iron prism
even as it is at 340 it still is simming better than my other trait options on my 355 shoulders though...
fiery bear
does the sim nightly build has recent changes?
tropic rover
also any good sin rogue pvp streamer? Just starting to pvp and trying to get better
clever tartan
Arena or rbg?
hasty crater
@tropic rover pretty sure those questions are meant to be in the pvp section bit lower
clever tartan
I just rbg and spam FoK lol
iron prism
sounds pretty pro
clever tartan
Ez life
unkempt karma
No played Assassination yet, but I can get 3x dd traits, worth it?
mighty yew
Has Garrote bug been fixed?
hallow kraken
For pvp is Deadly brew good to have a honor talent or is wound poision + something else better?
warm geode
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
iron prism
@unkempt karma i'd say so, you leaving sub after bits nerf?
paper aspen
Also, thank y'all for mentioning that you can respec azerite traits. For some reason I assumed you couldn't..
unkempt karma
Since I only got 2x bits + inve. I might just try it, and Since I like m+ why no try doing better then what sub is doing now
winter fog
is exsang for m+ worth it? I mean you apply garrote on all, rupture on 3, exsang one and cant garrote again as soon as it runs out because of the bug?
jovial aurora
Is running 2 sb still best for us after the nerf?
iron prism
@unkempt karma i mean sub is till quite good, but go for it
spice surge
@hallow kraken Never use wound poison, you do no damage without deadly. You always run deadly brew talent+system shock
iron prism
play what you like
hasty crater
@strange pythoncawin
hallow kraken
❤
calm grail
If you don't use shrouded Suffocation for raiding, I've been wondering if on pure ST will the ST Boost from subterfuge still be King?
prisma crescent
I thought blizzard was trying to make traits more diverse? Why do I feel like we're running out of good traits?
calm grail
I need to test that
tidal sedge
i like exsang more for m+ because it can give you a bit more energy after garroting and rupturing
hasty crater
@jovial aurora No dont think so, my DD shoulders sim higher than my SB now, even if i stack 2xSB
unkempt karma
@iron prism I like sub, but as it looks now.. 3 nerfs in a row 😛 While I see people raping m+ in assassination
jovial aurora
Alright
iron prism
i miss the sub rotation but yeah m+ is pretty fun as assassin, garrote tab garrote tab garrote, stack ruptures
rupture fan fan rupture fan fan rupture
vanish garrote tab garrote tab garrote
hasty crater
So bit awkward rn for me, 1xSB/1xDD/1xArchive sims highest for me eventhough 1xSB is supposed to be hot garbage
iron prism
silencing a pack to start a pull helps too
unkempt karma
And its pulls more damage with less effort. As of now I can get 3 x 340 DD stacks. And Secondary gear with 2x 340 SS for m+
glossy geyser
Honestly I really love Assa and Outlaw... Sub just got too many nerfs
unkempt karma
I know I will sim lower... but yeah thats life I guess
iron prism
i do miss sub just absolutely wrecking in single target when you need something to die fast
but otherwise yeah assassination is more rewarding in m+
hasty crater
@unkempt karma If ur a raider u gonna need Sub/Assa on point either way, outlaw u dont need it rn in Uldir
wheat zealot
@iron prism the silence is so undervalued 6 seconds of no casting with iron wire
mortal basalt
Do people go sub for Zul fight?
spice surge
Yes
languid plover
Are any sim sites updated for todays hotfixes yet?
iron prism
@wheat zealot yeah especially trying to pull stupid chain casting mobs
hasty crater
@mortal basalt Yes and Zek'voz aswell in general
spice surge
You are really stupid if you dont on zul, because the damage is just so much higher
iron prism
i was cheap shot for a bit but iron wire is just so damn useful for the extra silence in m+
glossy geyser
Although it's not as good as sub, Outlaw does pretty darn well on Zul and Zek as well
unkempt karma
@hasty crater Atm, im only geared for sub but its not like loot falls from the sky. I'm getting mixed gear but I want to start maximze 1 gear set.
mellow cypress
so wtf we doin this week
wheat zealot
Outlaw does comparable damage on H zul, but its spread aoe. Not funneled ST
spice surge
Out of the 128 sub rogue that had killed zul yesterday. ALL of them could be found in top 138 on boss damg
charred raptor
Is HeroDamage/Raidbots updated?
spice surge
Only 10 warlocks snuck in after like the 100:th rogue
balmy perch
You can get 3 garrotes out of subterfuge right?
hasty crater
@unkempt karma If u want to all-in 1 spec, go assasination, performs best on most fights in uldir and good in m+. However u NEED a sub or even outlaw combination for Zul
iron prism
hey i'll have you know i posted a 76 on zul as assassination spec, i'm basically an all star /s
balmy perch
Before the ss bug would screw you
glossy geyser
Not gonna lie though, i'm so bad at AoEing properly as sub lol
hasty crater
I mean 3, nightblade is a must
ripe comet
assa is fine on zul , you Burst hin always and just clear the adds down real quick
iron prism
i mean.. aoe just feels bad as sub
hasty crater
and SecTec if u specced for it which most likely u did on zul
wheat zealot
It feels good imo, 80k eviscerates are prtty juicy
glacial steppe
idk what it exactly is but sometimes my energyreg is literally nonexistant
ripe comet
- clear = cleave
wheat zealot
Sub is literally only fun when comboing
glacial steppe
even tho everythings up
spice surge
On zul mythic you dont clear all the adds
wheat zealot
Otherwise it feels like shit
hasty crater
@ripe comet its okay, big step down from Sub rogue tho on zul.
spice surge
You keep em up so rogues can do 2x of everyone elses dmg
glossy geyser
Hmm i was definitly doing it wrong then
ripe comet
mythic is Another beast thats true
balmy perch
So am i correct that you can garrote 4 things, vanish and garrote 3 more times and all 7 thins would get ss?
iron prism
i had no issue with assassin on zul... garrote the hexer and big add and zul, fan/rupture until adds down, push boss into phase 2, vanish/garrote on add spawn
spice surge
Garrote 3 things, then vanish
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
ripe comet
in mythic Sun beats every other spec in zum i give you that
onyx wind
what
wheat zealot
Tfw your guildies are scumbags and focus crawgs over boss on lower difficulties
wheat zealot
They die in like 2 seconds
onyx wind
still “what”
vagrant linden
Are the stats needed for sub/assass wildly different?
onyx wind
zum!?
iron prism
@balmy perch you should be able to garrote a 4th time, but doing so currently wipes out SS multiplier so not really
ripe comet
zul
vagrant linden
Like am I gonna have to carry two sets of gear
ripe comet
German t9 and english wow slang don't Go along well :/
onyx wind
im carrying 3 sets of gear
balmy perch
@hasty crater ireapi qas asking the opposite. If you cast non ss garrotes then cast a ss garrote, does it affect all your previous non ss garrotes as well.
solar bramble
@vagrant linden you'll end up having 2 sets of azerite armor at the very least. likely 3 (4 if you play all 3)
hasty crater
No it wont affect earlier garrotes
iron prism
i'm carrying like 5 sets of gear because i'm not destroying other azerite gear when blizz is changing bis traits every week
desert vault
ok so is there a way to really understand which trait is better? i have a piece with SS and the archive thing, don't have either trait at all so would be my first
glossy geyser
Yea honestly at the beginning i was playing around with the azerite respec.. but god does that add up quickly
vagrant linden
two sets of azerite I understand but 3 whole entire sets of armor?
onyx wind
but theyre in the bank
solar bramble
your trinkets/rings you'll also have multiple sets, as that's where most your 2ndaries come from.
ripe comet
i have half a Bank of 340 azerite gear, its awefull
mellow cypress
be ready to carry them forever, they have no clue wtf is going on
vagrant linden
So I should just hoard every single piece of gear I get
mellow cypress
i do
haughty flame
onyx wind
yes
unkempt karma
@hasty crater thanks for the tips @iron prism thanks as well
solar bramble
if you have your bracers/leggs etc. with just haste or crit, then it's viable for all 3. needing to only swap out rings/trinkets/azerite for the majority
mellow cypress
2-3 pieces of the same azerite gear even
prisma crescent
Does it even matter what traits you run anymore assassination? 1 SS for M+ and literally run anything else
onyx wind
no it doesnt matter
spice surge
I mean, its not like you NEED to have different sets. Most of the time your highest ilvl will be better for multiple sets even without bis stats
wheat zealot
I go x3 ss for m+
onyx wind
only for m+
ripe comet
SS is still Top Pick for m+
onyx wind
xd
solar bramble
i use x2 ss since that's all i have for m+. and any 3rd works (you can even go with the rupture gets more agility, as it's useful on packs . . . just nowhere else)
ripe comet
now its good , just Not dumpstering Everything Else and their mother anymore
desert vault
so go with Archive over SS? I dunno, looking at ST raid stuff for me
hasty crater
ST right now just take highest ilvl azerite piece that one is best and hope it has good traits aswell
glossy geyser
Actually Rupture is useful in 3s also @solar bramble
solar bramble
even for ST, i like 1 SS for the simplified opener and stealth rotation (and it becomes better to use vanish with it on add spawns
iron prism
important question: what's an acceptable amount to bribe your raid leader to move you to the next chamber last on MOTHER so that you can get a orange parse?
prisma perch
My dps is shit after my opener is done why..?
glossy geyser
because that's how assa works xD
onyx wind
just do good dmg and u will get in last grp
ripe comet
@iron prism you don't, you can't get Orange since the cheese fix:P
balmy perch
@iron prism lol i have that issue. Always forced to go first
iron prism
@prisma perch you stacking SS and using subterfuge? if so, you're not getting the bonus after your first dots end from stealth
solar bramble
@prisma perch the burst damage from assassination is really high. so the basic spec levels out a fair bit lower to keep it averaged. I'm far from the best sin, but I get roughly 16-18k on burst. but level out around 10-11k normally
ripe comet
nah , you get First Group because you just kill and cc all adds alone so your raid doesent fucking die every Single time x)
onyx wind
mother mythic is fun
balmy perch
Subterfige cheapshot
iron prism
i mean i dont know mythic mother but who dies on n/h mother
solar bramble
meh first group should have a monk or boomie lol
onyx wind
with 20man moving in 4 seconds
prisma perch
i can show u my rogue right?
iron prism
even on heroic we dont even bother going to 3rd room anymore
glossy geyser
yup lol
solar bramble
ya, on mother I use my first vengence in an open. and she dies not too far after 2nd vengence in 2nd room
iron prism
@prisma perch i'll show you mine if you show me yours
ripe comet
But carring dead weight so everybody get bis loot is more fun :P
prisma perch
@iron prism sure ;x
onyx wind
not doing nothing in a room for 3 min
solar bramble
lol if i can get the last group on mother i'm generally #1-3 on dps. otherwise i drop sooooooo far
wheat zealot
"Not doing nothing"
iron prism
@onyx wind thats not true, you like... attack a slime every 20 seconds
wheat zealot
iron prism
and... run from a fire
onyx wind
not on mythic
iron prism
slowly
iron prism
damn it now i want to do mythic
onyx wind
and then they wait 3 min
iron prism
slackers not showing up on raid day
solar bramble
that; sounds like your healers hate you. 15 at once lol
solar bramble
immunities
onyx wind
disc bubble
prisma perch
!sim/eu/blackrock/derias
onyx wind
nah
ionic charm
15 at once is so easy for mythic. Took like 3 pulls with that strat
solar bramble
just sounds painful for healers. but i guess if people use defensives, then it's very much possible
i don't have so much trust in people lol
onyx wind
they use cd’s
ionic charm
Mechanics are super easy when there’s no adds to stun or interrupt. Your havoc will get an orange healing parse just with darkness lul
solar bramble
i'd take the first 2-3 hits and shroud the remaining ticks
onyx wind
then wait for 3 min
not really painful
i wouldnt use shroud
maybe an add dot goes off
who knows
solar bramble
true. if just my normal 40% redduction is enough
onyx wind
you survive anyway
solar bramble
alongside potion
ionic charm
Pretty sure cloak doesn’t even work. You just sit in disc barrier and it’s all good
onyx wind
cloak works
prisma perch
Can you tell me why I suck? thats me https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/blackrock/Derias
balmy cradle
male bloodelf, easy spot
solar bramble
wowlogs are much easier to look at
since we can see uptimes and such on DoT's and so on
onyx wind
^
prisma perch
I tried but they fail to save e.e
solar bramble
i can't help much with putting up logs. i'm just acceptable at reading them
I like to compare them to my own uptimes. and dmg value %'s and such
onyx wind
just go on warcraftlogs
glacial steppe
wtb energyreg
onyx wind
and copy the rank1 log
solar bramble
energy regen is why i like fights with long lasting adds or 2nd bosses close lol
onyx wind
its not perfect, but a good way to start
ionic charm
Log reviews were so much simpler in legion “proc poison bomb more”
solar bramble
be careful with copying the #1 log th ough
onyx wind
lmao
unreal bear
rofl poison bomb
solar bramble
check the traits. if theirs many SS traits in there. it'll schew percentages
wheat zealot
Meme bomb
onyx wind
tfw i got 99% in legion with prydaz and sephuz
prisma perch
I have 2x SS and once DD
onyx wind
pog
unreal bear
imagine my excitement when i got prydaz while everybody else got pants or wrists
solar bramble
so most of your dmg will come from your opener. and resetealth burst
onyx wind
pants sucked lmao
solar bramble
out of traits
onyx wind
you mean boots
unreal bear
that was feint wasnt it
onyx wind
?
onyx wind
haha
ionic charm
Pants made the mage tower challenges a joke at least :/
prisma perch
@solar bramble I have to use vanish only after garrote runs out then apply 2 on boss again?
solar bramble
@prisma perch what does your opener look like? exact sequence of events when you can
unreal bear
at least saying "legendary pants" sounds dope
solar bramble
no you don't altorm. post your opener
i have mine memorized. whether or not it's optimal idk
prisma perch
@solar bramble Garrote Rupture Garrote Vendetta toxic envenom
unreal bear
G R G ven tb envenom
solar bramble
i don't dougble garrote that early
ionic charm
@solar bramble opener changes based on racials too, like as a troll I get an extra evenom in my opener than the guide
prisma perch
what do i do wrong? i finish like 9k dps at the end...
solar bramble
i do garrote > mut > rupture > vendetta > toxic blade > mutialte > vanish > envenom > mutilate > rupture > wait 1-2 seconds > envenom (so it doesn't overdo the other envenom) > 1-2 mutilates depending on crits > envenom > 1-2 mutilates > reapply rupture within the last 2-3 seconds of vendetta
onyx wind
why vanish
solar bramble
replace the 2nd rupture with garrote sry
onyx wind
there
hasty crater
that vanish is so awkward
real socket
anyone have a SB weakaura they like?
onyx wind
oh
solar bramble
it's more to reapply rupture closer to pandemic within vendetta
so i'm not just double casting garrote
spice surge
@ionic charm Curious how you get an extra envenom out of your opener as a troll. As haste doesnt reduce gcd for rogues
solar bramble
reapply garrote sry
ionic charm
Why would you vanish envenom though?
solar bramble
because i can vanish as an off global. don't need it there, it can be moved a gcd or two. just habit
as i said, idk if it's optimal. but it's how i do it. . . . and if the fight has an add phase within a minute (and i don't loose a vanish through the fight) then i'll hold the vanish entirely for the add phase
unkempt ledge
@real socket https://pastebin.com/JgbBEpZc one im using
ionic charm
@spice surge extra haste, usually flooded with energy before vanish to reapply Garrote. With ss traits, I get an extra mutilate before vanish, so my vanish Garrote evenom garrote instead of double garrote and waiting to refresh rupture
paper bough
is assa still the bread winner for m+
paper bough
i havent played since shrouded nerf
languid plover
@solar bramble why would you not garrote > rupture > garrote > vendetta > tb > envenom and save your vanish for when first garrote wears?
unkempt ledge
dont you garrote twice with ss?
solar bramble
idk. picked up assassin only a week or two ago. still working out kinks. wanna get one opener down pat and know it's neuances before making adjustments
paper bough
so outlaw assa and sub for high keys
solar bramble
then i'll know why i'm making them
paper bough
all competitive
languid plover
well, technically garrote > rupture > garrote is with at least 1 ss
paper bough
if thats the case no point in playing the harder of the 3
languid plover
I just assumed you were running at least 1 ss, is that accurate?
solar bramble
if i was to adjust it with garrote and SS taking priority in my opener. i'd likely use garrote > vendetta > garrote > rupture. and near the end of vendetta i'd use vanish > double garrote. so i get a full 40 seconds or so of 30% bonus SS garrotes. . . . but i'd need to change a bit up
languid plover
even with SS nerf it should still take priority in your opener if you're using it cause otherwise it's a dead trait
hasty crater
that vendetta is a waste, gotta put that later
inner pulsar
@solar bramble Wait, that opener was for SS with Subterfuge?
strange python
@solar bramble that is awful opener with ss..
rain breach
or change to DD, Archive, PW - now whe have much more options
outer pivot
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
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solar bramble
SS with subterfuge ya
strange python
Awful.. very bad
inner pulsar
That is a bad opener then ya, sorry
charred raptor
With Galecallers, do I use that before or after exang?
solar bramble
which one @strange python the original one i posted. or that really awkward one a moment ago
ionic charm
G r g is the standard first 3 globals with ss regardless if you are running Tb or exsang
strange python
G,R,G, vendetta, mutilate, rupture exang
solar bramble
galecallers before you apply dots
ionic charm
@charred raptor before exsang, the haste snapshots the dot
onyx falcon
anyone got an resources on using exang/CT for M+ (AoE n ST rotations)
inner pulsar
But its not far off the opener for No SS using MA, so you have that going for you
solar bramble
right?
strange python
The one a few moments ago
solar bramble
ya the one a few moments ago wasn't meant to be serius. more a consideration
charred raptor
@ionic charm Should I use it before I Garrote/Rupture too?
solar bramble
serious
opal mason
@ionic charm How sure are you of that? I'm pretty sure only feral snap shots now
charred raptor
Or only before I exang
strange python
@opal mason exang snap shotd
solar bramble
don't our dots snapshot?
strange python
So CGB before exang
solar bramble
i've always played it assuming they did
opal mason
oh I don't use exsang, so wouldn't know XD
strange python
Only on exang. The rest are dynamic
inner pulsar
@solar bramble What do you mean, you said that was your opener
ionic charm
@charred raptor don’t think it matters, I’m not 100% sure but I’m pretty sure exsang resets the snapshot
strange python
It doesnt reset as nothing else snapshots they are all dynamic
opal mason
i didnt realize so many people use exsang
strange python
Yea it will fade soon with archive double dose x 2
inner pulsar
People have a hard on for Exsang
ionic charm
If you have galecallers and ss traits it should sim higher in exsang
inner pulsar
@strange python Holla at your boy!
sick monolith
bigger burst pray this world boss drops me that SS helm boys
opal mason
i'm all about that 2x DD + TB life
solar bramble
which one? i posted the garrote > vendetta > garrote which was the unserious one. . . . the one I actually use [garotte > mutialte > rupture > vendetta > toxic blade > mutilate > vanish > envenom > mutilate > garrote > wait 2-3 seconds > Envenom (don't wanna overbuff the previous envenom) > 1-2 mutilate dpending on crits > envenom > 1-2 mutilate depending on crits > rupture before vendetta fades
strange python
Is swapping WoW gold for Runescape gold against WoW TOS?
inner pulsar
@solar bramble All of that was wrong, unserious or not
opal mason
@strange python gold is gold fam
strange python
@opal mason thats what i thought but i'm not sure
ionic charm
@solar bramble both of those openers are pretty bad. You shouldn’t be vanishing before envenom
strange python
@solar bramble you may be better off using another envenom before vendetta ends as rupture doesnt snapshot
inner pulsar
Go read the guide, practice it, read it again
solar bramble
i never assumed it was right lol. just what i use
strange python
So the increased envenom damage would probably more beneficial. As long ss your dots are still rolling
inner pulsar
Why would you use something that sub-optimal, if you have a resource that tells you the right way
solar bramble
at that point my rupture is generally down to about 7 seconds. if i add envenom there, it'd probably cause rupture to fall off, even if slightly
strange python
@opal mason people dont read or practice on target dummies anymore
@solar bramble shouldnt do
And even so. How much damage would a vendetta envenom do vs 1 tick missed of rupture and possibly venomous wounds
inner pulsar
Alright, well, if you don't care that what you are doing is wrong, there is really no reason for us to waste time telling you why it is wrong
strange python
Just read the apl from ur sim
cyan frost
Overall does toxic blade or exang do more dps in a m+ / raid
glad shuttle
how important is it to pool for envenom?
inner pulsar
@cyan frost
glad shuttle
and how much/when should I do it
onyx falcon
for AoE Exang when woudl you use exang? i assume you G G G Rup FoK FoK CT Exang?
strange python
@cyan frost depends on gear
solar bramble
more than 1 tick. since i'm really low on energy there (need more haste). but ya, if i reapply with 3 cp or so then probably wouldn't lose a tick and just gain the vendetta envenom. . . . not snapshotting is good to know (always assumed it did, hence why i placed it there)
opal mason
cyborg, just go to ravenholdt and look up the opener for your respective spec. things are there for a reason I promise
strange python
I @onyx falcon would exange the rupture garroted target before the fok fok cts. Not sure what others think by for me it works out better with the empowered garrote and rupture on primary target
opal mason
if you want to know WHY things are there, that's fine, but a lot of people did work to find the most optimal opener so trying to find your own isn't going to be something people want to do
strange python
@solar bramble i have 95-99s and couple of 100s for bracket. And my gears dogshit
dark sun
do you clip your bleeds to get them to full duration before you exsange outside of opener?
strange python
You need to check logs and through experience figure out just how much damage per tick you would lose vs buffed envenoms etc
@dark sun yes
You want garrote and rupture to be full pandemic timers
opal mason
if you guys are running exsang, what are you doing for azerite traits? I've never once had xsang beat tb on my sims
strange python
Before exang on all occassions. On opener you 3 seconds out on garrotr due to vendetta mutilate rupture
@opal mason shrouded suff
mortal basalt
Is there somewhere I can go to know what spec is best on what fight in uldir?
opal mason
playing a spec you know and are good at > playing the highest dps spec on warcraftlogs
strange python
If your on an aoe boss but you have crazy aoe in guild. Maybe best spec is ST. Lower overall dps higher boss damage
dark sun
so do I clip the bleeds no matter what time is left on them or do I hold exsang for a little bit?
strange python
So view them with caution
mortal basalt
Well for example sub is best on Zul but some fights arent so clear such as Taloc
strange python
You never overwrite bleeds that have exsang on
solar bramble
sub on something like zul is amazing. I prefer outlaw on zek'voz. assassination works really well on zek as well (same with vectics)
strange python
@dark sun i clip them a bit always to ensure i have my CDs lined up on the 2 min mark. There is wiggle room but itnis extremely rare not tonhave to clip them
@strange python thats not what hebis asking he is asking if he should override the bleeds even if they have 25 seconds on them before he exangs for full pandemix
solar bramble
@mortal basalt i like outlaw on Taloc. if only for the extra range to hit outside pools on 2nd phase. unless i've just had bad tanks
opal mason
im gonna have to try this 3x SS exsang shit, i'm still doing 1x SS 2x DD tb
strange python
Or if he shoukd delay exañg to prevent such a high duration re rupture or garrote
hollow stone
Sin is good on every fight in uldir. Maybe not optimal on every one (zul and zek have already been mentioned). If youre not pushing mythixxx, i would play what you want
strange python
Well rep
There's no bleed that lasts 25 sec
@strange python lol
Wow
Rup is 28 but with strata
mental fiber
nocturne mulch
Is the shrouded suffocation bug still happening?
unreal bear
🤔
strange python
@strange python you really should understand what your talking about before you preach here
Go rupture a target dummy at 10 seconds. Check the pandemic timer from a full 5 cp re rupture
Then come and give advice on here
Didn't give an advice on that homeboy
I just misunderstood the first question
thin ingot
guys if we drop all our SS should we drop subterfuge too right?
cyan frost
in your opener do you wait for ur second exang to come off cooldown to use vanish ? or just vanish when first ss garrote falls off
inner pulsar
@thin ingot Probably, but sim yo self
strange python
@strange python you talk to me like you know what your talking about when your wrong. Its mis information to those trying to learn because you dont understand enough
@cyan frost You wait till garrote falls off,
And u use vanish
hybrid galleon
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strange python
That is if u use subterfuge with ss
cyan frost
@strange python so just use exang on CD basically?
hollow stone
Check pins for opener guides on ravenholdt
onyx falcon
-learning exang atm- if i pandemic R/G w/ exang applied does it keep exang?
strange python
The opener is literally on the site bro
onyx falcon
alright ty
unreal bear
do not write over exsang bleeds
hollow stone
Vend exsang, exsang, vend exsang, exsang. Every other xsang will be without vend
onyx falcon
so basically like garrote empowers you wanna reapply right when they fall off/at 0.1 s
unreal bear
same with SS garrotes
hollow stone
Think of exsang as a 1 min cd
strange python
@onyx falcon you want them to completely drop off. The last tick has to hit
onyx falcon
ugh so different from TB where you basically use on CD no matter wut >.<
back to dummies
hollow stone
Dps diff between tb and exsang usually isnt much. If youre that much more comfortable using tb, you should prob just use tb
strange python
@onyx falcon the community needs more rogues like you. Love people that put time in to practice and test. Not the same as raid environments but i spend hours every week on dummies
strange python
@hollow stone TB escalates with double dose very nicely from my understanding (someone correct me if i am wrong)
thin ingot
exsang is meh for me
strange python
6 dps loss
hollow stone
Thats correct, tb increases ALL nature dmg we do within its window @strange python
somber egret
Thought my dps was bad simmed Jesus
inner pulsar
@thin ingot Sim again, and use Master Assassin+TB instead of Subterfuge+TB
solar bramble
so the assassination opener it sets for 1+ SS traits. do you knowingly let rupture fall off to get more envenoms during vendetta?
onyx falcon
@strange python lol more along the lines of im not gonna go into a random dungeon/raid where ive never done this build before i hate being a carry
strange python
@solar bramble there is a no ss opener also
solar bramble
it doesn't have it anywhere in there outside the initial use
inner pulsar
Rupture never falls off
storm siren
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prisma perch
guys where is it best to look the logs?
strange python
@onyx falcon exactly. Perfect attitude /salute
onyx falcon
@hollow stone not in M+, exag/ct is way better atm is why im learning it
solar bramble
i have 2 SS atm. since i do more m+ than raids. and don't have decent azerite armor outside
solar bramble
just picked up sin not to long ago. so don't have a collection of other traits like double dose
prisma perch
should i log at the raid puppet?
inner pulsar
@solar bramble Then learn the SS opener in the guide
terse shuttle
guys if Master Poisoner sims the same as elaborate planning on ST. in an aoe fight would that scale in favor of MP?
hollow stone
Exsang isnt that much better in m+ tbh but if youre willing to learn, do it up! Any dps increase is an increase 😃
solar bramble
i am lol. that's why I was asking if no 2nd rupture in the opener is intended
strange python
@lone junco yea i know mate x wantes the other guy to lool into it as he was telling people incorrectly. Appreciate the support x
Look*
My bad 😃
onyx wind
is poisoned wire updated on sims?
onyx falcon
@lone juncowhy not just *1.3 >:)
lone junco
@onyx falcon because it is not fixed value.
inner pulsar
There are two in there, what am I saying
strange python
@strange python :) this is why we come here :) im a dps whore and spend untold amount of time in here talking and reading and practicing :)
onyx falcon
no one saw i @ ed the wrong noob
lone junco
it depends on the early cp and late cp
onyx falcon
OMG
unkempt karma
Anyone able to PM - Would like some help with assassination if possible 😃
onyx falcon
i suck
strange python
We all come to learn
hollow stone
Poor ed
onyx falcon
@ noobe yea i know im just saying for that particular one you coulda XD
onyx falcon
just memeing
solar bramble
that's why i was confused. using garrote > rupture > garrote is a 3 cp rupture which is 15 seconds. theirs no 2nd application in the toxic blade + SS setup
solar bramble
15 seconds being 1-2 cd's before vendetta is even cast. it'd fade long before vendeta is
lone junco
shouldnt be below garrote.
solar bramble
One or more Shrouded Suffocation powers for Toxic Blde
Garrote
Rupture
Garrote
Vendetta
Toxic Blade
Envenom
Mutilate till 4+ combo points
Envenom
Vanish when Garrote runs out
Garrote twice
unkempt star
hi all, Im looking at re rolling rogue - was wondering if it has a stand out for mythic plus, as this will my focus?
tranquil pivot
solar bramble
all 3 rogue specs work for m+ @unkempt star
outlaw being probablyt he easiest to learn for it
rigid dawn
Any up to date info on traits since hotfixes?
unkempt star
ah brilliant, just need to figure out which I like then, thanks @solar bramble
sweet sedge
do you guys play more than one spec?
visual token
Not since they changed combat. Lol
hollow stone
I play them aaaaalllll
sand canyon
@unkempt star depends on Dungeon/Comp/Pull patern. All 3 specs are viable
hollow stone
Rogue nation
wheat zealot
Play the class not a spec
visual token
I stick to mut. Then I play alts when I get bored.
sweet sedge
been considering learning outlaw.... only really played sin so far
solar bramble
sub is focused on killing one priority target. outlaw is just sheer AoE. assassin has solid AoE, and decent boss killing. but a little harder to execute in m+. since you'll also be wanting to interrupt priority targets. and when tab targeting to keep up garrotes + ruptures that can be a little taxing. At least till you get used to it (@focus macro's are amazing here)
sand canyon
Tomoorow it is time boys back to haste items👌
unborn rampart
Assassination is just tab one you get rupt+garrote on a target?
and keep tabbing around?
tranquil pivot
Assa is the overall-killer. Go Assa.
unborn rampart
(coming from sub)
daring imp
what's best rouge spec atm
inner pulsar
@daring imp I don't know, is SS still good in m+?
grim wolf
prolly shadow rogue
solar bramble
i tr;y to keep garrote and rupture on 3 targets. or at least rupture on 3 and garrote on 2. just so the energy regen feeds into envenom and knife spam
grim wolf
daring imp
hell yeah
wheat zealot
Been answering this question to much lately, its all about triage rogues now
solar bramble
I alternate an envenom to 1-2 ruptures. since it's buff is up for most of it
plucky lion
I start from stealth triple garrote then 3x rupture
inner pulsar
Triage Rogue definetly best
unborn rampart
garrote on 3 diff targets?
solar bramble
ya
plucky lion
Yes
unborn rampart
i see
strange python
@sand canyon what you gonna be running next week? What spec
solar bramble
read your passives
inner pulsar
I garrote and rupture 3 targets then /lay
unborn rampart
yeah i know, "allows use of stealth" ec
surreal rivet
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hVSDioFAGkV4U1oCu9uUK7 4 ilvls one day boys
weary sundial
so i wanted to try sin, and i was stoked cuz i had 2 pieces with SS as traits
but with the nerf im pretty meh about it now
wheat zealot
@inner pulsar making me reminisce pre nerf ss lmao
unborn rampart
ok, i need to practice more sin
solar bramble
venemous wounds generates 7 energy every time a poisoned target takes dmg from a bleed
wheat zealot
G g g ct, afk and do 35k dps
solar bramble
either your rupture, garrote, or a talented stun
strange python
@wheat zealot i have not heard the term triage rogues. Can you elaborate
unkempt karma
My traits are all over the place in assa. Swirling + Poison wire + double dose
limber shell
do you guys also reach a hastecap at around 20% for singletarget? as in it not being your best stat any longer
solar bramble
if you spread around garrotes and ruptures. and use knives + envenoms. everything is poisoned with dots. giving you nearly infinite energy
tranquil pivot
outlaw is the easiest spec, but could also be boring after a while. not much to press here, in comparison with the other 2 specs.
inner pulsar
@wheat zealot I CT as well if I am feeling froggy
weary sundial
you think outlaw is easiest?
solar bramble
3 snake eyes normal outlaw is far harder to execute
inner pulsar
Triage Rogue is the new healing spec that is going to replace Sin
wheat zealot
@strange python new rogue healing spec in 8.1
strange python
@wheat zealot hahahahah
tranquil pivot
Yes, in my opinion Outlul is easiest.
inner pulsar
Replacing Garrote with Tourniquet
solar bramble
if your talking deadshot outlaw then yes it's a bit easier than sin or sub. but tripple (or double) snake eyes with roll the bones (not the snek meme build) is a lot more to manage
strange python
@limber shell all stats have deminishing returns so i just sim and adjust. Haste with assa remains strong not sure how much will be needed before it drops below #1. It may never and the rest may adjust
inner pulsar
Vendetta replaced with Recuperation
solar bramble
for m+ i find sin the hardest. just because tab targeting while also managing all of your interrupts on the proper target is the most difficult to do
visual token
What’s the weapon? No more daggers I assume
inner pulsar
Syringes
Can't believe y'all didn't see this. It was in the patch notes right under where they talked about Feral Voltron
strange python
@wheat zealot i honestly thought you meant rogues just take any spec thats required for raid comp. As in we triage the gaps
tranquil pivot
But thats not only my opinion, there are a lot High-End Rogues like Ashine (PvE), Pshero (PvP), Pikaboo (PvP), Yliajo (PvE) who also stated that Outlul is easier to lern than the other two specs.
limber shell
@strange python yeah I got 22% haste, and now statweights from raidbots tells me that both agility and crit is more worth, I should trust that
hard sonnet
I got rid of tab targeting. I just have big ass nameplates with icons that t*ke over my screen
humble spoke
unborn rampart
CT over PB for M+?
inner pulsar
Except in WCL we are still shitting on folks
tranquil pivot
Wait, whats going on with Fury-Warrior? lul.
muted jacinth
I'm glad holy priests are so close to fire mages and their own dps spec
strange python
Buffed 6% flat and some trait adjustments
vestal wren
@strange python sub profile probably need a update
the sim is using sharpened what is now 💩
not sure if sin also need a update or is already up to date
inner pulsar
@vestal wren Good, an orange, can you please fix the pin to reflect the new hotfix language
tranquil pivot
And Arcane Mage on 2nd? lululul. 😄
strange python
@vestal wren not sure but it changed in last 24 hours
inner pulsar
@lone junco You like feelings, you already told us
vestal wren
i cant, liavre did the pin so he can only change the wording, but i will inform him
daring imp
knife was doing like 7% dmg only
tropic heron
im 359 ilvl and my OH weeapon is still 300 ilvl how much is this hurting my dps?
inner pulsar
Ah, thank you
strange python
@tropic heron about 1.1dps per item level
inner pulsar
@tropic heron Wow, that sucks
serene basin
@unborn rampart 100%
tropic heron
oh ok so only like 50 dps or so
strange python
@strange python per dps sorry
tropic heron
was just trying to figure out why i seem to do so little damage comapred to other poeple of similar ilvl
strange python
@tropic heron sorry i meant per weapon dps
tropic heron
i thought it was my weapon
inner pulsar
Lol, did you just @ yourself?
wheat zealot
wheat zealot
@wheat zealot ayy
strange python
@tropic heron its all about stat weights, azerite traits etc when simming
I upgraded a 355 trinket with a 390 taloc trinket. 35 item level
I gained 30dps ST
inner pulsar
@inner pulsar Bro you are hilarious
tropic heron
i have pretty good traits rn
strange python
Gained 2 item level overall.
inner pulsar
@inner pulsar I kno rite?
violet lintel
so are sims updated for the corpsuciles proc buff or is it only better because ilvl/agility lol
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/daQZH7fpZoXXEPLKsz1WKZ
tropic heron
all 3 pieces have double dose
daring imp
oy 3x DD do not have any dr?
inner pulsar
@daring imp Shhhhh'=
tropic heron
raidbots hasnt seemed to update my equipment yet
wheat zealot
Use simc and import it
tropic heron
i uhh
wheat zealot
Instead of waiting 6 hours
tropic heron
dont have that
surreal portal
when running Crimson Tempest, what's my opener on AoE packs? 3x garrote, Crimson, continue with normal rotation? or do I apply it twice for longer duration
serene stream
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
wheat zealot
Then u type /simc and copy that text into raidbots
grim wolf
does archive of the titans stack with 2 pieces?
onyx falcon
nver noticed... but mechamoroes has a profile pic and a 1/2
inner pulsar
@grim wolf Trait stacks, Reorg Array does not
buoyant ember
In regards to toxic blade if it is up and I mutilate twice and have 5 combo points do I over cap and use toxic blade or do I wait for a 4 point combo to put it in the rotation?
grim wolf
yeah i figured reorg array doesn't
wheat zealot
@buoyant ember it should cover tb usage in RH guide.
grim wolf
i guess it'll do 24 main stat instead of 12 (if you have 2 pieces)
strange python
@buoyant ember don't over cap but pool to make sure during TB you get maximum envenom uptime
So envenom, TB (envenom is still up)
inner pulsar
@grim wolf Correct
strange python
Then fit in as much envenom uptime as you can
inner pulsar
@strange python That is contrary to the guide, says TB on cooldown
grim wolf
Thanks @inner pulsar 😄
inner pulsar
Realistically you'd want to watch your CP and the cooldown on TB so as not to be at 5 CP when TB comes up, but the guide would suggest even in that situation you would TB
You are unlikely to get two Envenoms in the TB window if you Envenom > TB, which I think is why the suggestion is to go ahead and hit it
buoyant ember
Yeah thats my confusion. There are conflicting strategies
Ok, I had read the pins, guides and simmed. But was still unsure as it doesnt feel right to over cap the cp just to use tb.
strange python
@inner pulsar if you have pooled you can easily get in 2.
wheat zealot
2 is ez, 3 is unlikely outside of burst windows
strange python
Unless something has fundamentally changed but im game for being educated on this
buoyant ember
Yeah I always get 2 in np
inner pulsar
If you have 5 CP and are already pooled and THEN TB comes up, you have messed up somewhere else
strange python
@wheat zealot exactly.
unkempt karma
I guess you need a lot of haste to sim well with assa?
strange python
So it would be wasted cps to cast TB if at max CP
wheat zealot
@unkempt karma not necesarrily
inner pulsar
I could absolutely, 100% be wrong
hot flume
Dunno if the question is answered already, but the changes are live on bloodmallet ?
strange python
Its about ensuring you track your cds and prepare for the windows
inner pulsar
Again, optimally you wouldnt be in that situation
strange python
@inner pulsar rng be rng :)
Gotta just practice and learn over time adapting on the fly
buoyant ember
Rng man
strange python
Im still stuck on 3 x ss even in raid
Not a single upgraded azerite piece in 3 resets
violet lintel
So is a 340 Azok Heart better against a 365 Frenetic Corpuscle? Truly? Sims shows it is but ive heard nothing but raid trinkets being garbage lol
wheat zealot
So you dont have a single uldir piece? @strange python
unkempt karma
I sim 13.6k atm. Stats are 1.9 haste vs 1.6x for crit.
And traits are 3 different ones, not even stacking
wheat zealot
yiKes
inner pulsar
I would probably hit TB at 5 and then Envenom, while disclaiming that is what I would do, not saying it is correct
wheat zealot
Have you clear normal and heroic all 3 weeks? If so, thats just terrible rng
bright owl
Are there any updated sites that have today's trait balances?
wheat zealot
Rngesus will be with you soon, gotta have faith haha
strange python
@wheat zealot ill be quitting this reset if not. I gained 150dps in 2 weeks
inner pulsar
Nope, he has forsaken him
strange python
+10s each week etc.
And apparently therr is bad luck protection on azerite :p
Better be in my favour this reset
wheat zealot
So they say
strange python
Else ill cry
violet lintel
im not cool enough for +10s because of that crappy io nonsense
strange python
Tomorrow ill open cache and get 380 item with no dps gain haha
wheat zealot
I havent gotten an azerite piece from cache yet so we will see
strange python
@violet lintel i link them my 95-99 raid logs and my 750ish raiderio. Tend to get a group
solar bramble
is there a way to have details not count vanish as a combat reset . . . . . . 😦
inner pulsar
I got a 385 DitB helm last week, and then a 370 LM helm, so I gotta where the LM for now
strange python
@solar bramble not on a target dummy
solar bramble
eww 😦
inner pulsar
@solar bramble You can use overall data
wheat zealot
Join a group
solar bramble
now to figure out how to setup overall data lol
unkempt karma
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https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
violet lintel
@strange python just reminds me of the days of the GearScore addon, it too was nonsense lol
wheat zealot
Switch from current segment to overall segment
solar bramble
found it
strange python
@solar bramble instead of current segment you can see overall data
@solar bramble :)
inner pulsar
If it was a snake it would have bit you.
strange python
@violet lintel ruined the game. I play like 6 hours raiding a week and maybe 2 hours outside of raid due to RL commitments. I have not been out dpsed in a single m+ even with 1000+ raider io 370 dps and im 360
lofty sand
Are you guys running Subterfuge with DD or na?
cold dragon
Any updated resources showing how Poisoned Wire is doing now?
strange python
And sometimes it takes me a while to get into a group. Hence why i link them everything i can to get invited lol
Else my 360item level is seen as me being bad
inner pulsar
@strange python Its cause I have whispered them all before you telling them how bad you are
strange python
My guild dps are like 366-373
strange python
@inner pulsar lol. No coaching for you when i start streaming :p
wheat zealot
On na and eu
inner pulsar
Shheeeeetttt, I don't need any coaching, I just roll my face on the keyboard, and what happens happens
strange python
@inner pulsar +1
solar bramble
😦 dynamic overall dmg doesn't let me look at uptime that i can see. like normal dps does (just pulls up the ability to paste my parse)
fixed
inner pulsar
Run all kinds of messed talents, Subterfuge with No SS, Blindside, Venom Rush
Cheat Death? Nah, Leeching Poison for me dawg
Stack versatility
wheat zealot
Sounds optimal 👌
strange python
@wheat zealot lol 😂
@inner pulsar i think i am developing a mancrush
Your the new meta
is it just me or does archive of titans give 10 now
inner pulsar
I'm trying to think what else terrible I could do.
strange python
instead of 6
remote leaf
So Im struggling to figure out how I lost 400 dps today even though I had no SB traits
inner pulsar
I run Orbs on G'huun as Assassin
warm geode
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iGLhXGf1W9ahJd6PfPq89H
someone could try to explain how this trait on the chest is simming higher then 4stack matrix/archive ?
strange python
@inner pulsar i do
inner pulsar
I just straight up took Garrote off my bars, 1 DoT was enough to keep track of
inner pulsar
@strange python Do you run with a Pally?
inner pulsar
Oh, we only use 2
lone junco
@inner pulsar I had a feeeeling. that 4p20 would be lolzy in time walk
inner pulsar
On each side I mean
lone junco
it was delightful
inner pulsar
@lone junco Ha
lone junco
with a lust it would be like 105% haste
inner pulsar
Lol, no OH animation at all
lone junco
prob no main hand tbh
inner pulsar
Haha
lone junco
i got to 75 with 2 trinkets.
inner pulsar
You just become one giant Dagger
hard sonnet
@inner pulsar sometimes gotta vanish to drop aggro cause bad tanks in m+ lol
lone junco
juju/gc + sephuz + lust + exang snapshot on 2ss.
inner pulsar
@hard sonnet I use Actual Death to drop aggro in M+
lone junco
st just kind of dies.
strange python
Whats 'good' rio score for people now?
inner pulsar
I mean, I don't, because as I said already, in M+ I garrote and rupture 3 targets and /lay
wheat zealot
Always blame the tank
wheat zealot
Yikes
inner pulsar
I will probably never do M+ again after pugging +8 Underrot last week
@hard sonnet Are you one of those azerite reforgers
?
lone junco
io around 1k is pretty good.
strange python
Hmm
strange python
Im at 982 rio and get declined for many 10s lol
lone junco
@inner pulsar double matron in underrot was pretty awful
hard sonnet
@inner pulsar no I just kept wasting gold on guild lotto lol
strange python
@onyx wind crafted 385s? Since when was that possible?
onyx wind
since uldir release
inner pulsar
BOOYAH
wheat zealot
@inner pulsar self promotion isent welcome here
strange python
@onyx wind didnt know they could be crafted so high
wheat zealot
onyx wind
they can
cedar kelp
strange python
@onyx wind may need to drop out my inscription
onyx wind
You may want to, yeah
inner pulsar
@wheat zealot Right right haha
strange python
@wheat zealot what was it gated behind?
wheat zealot
Mats
onyx wind
But youre gonna need a billion expulsom
wheat zealot
Sanguicell
strange python
I have 250 sanguicell
onyx wind
for me it was gated behind expulsom
strange python
Or more
onyx wind
because i slacked on my transmutions
hard sonnet
I like my potions too much.
strange python
Ok need to gom was lovely chatting as always. Misses needs cuddles! Gl on cache and reset all
Need to go*
hard sonnet
Tell her you're talking businesses
hollow stone
@strange python reprobate? More like reproduce naw mee??
strange python
@hard sonnet if you had a misses like mine you wouldn't risk losing her
Lol
Bye bye
arctic isle
going for cuddles is the best way to make ur gf not respect u
hard sonnet
Lol women are replaceable
inner pulsar
@arctic isle I don't think you will ever have to worry about that
hard sonnet
Wow isnt
obsidian ridge
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
dry thicket
so on bigger trash you only garrote 3 mobs?
hollow stone
I mean, the bot is pretty clear in its explanation
rustic onyx
hello is raidbot updated with the azerite changes ? ty
brave cave
is there a general trait setup for mythic+ atm, besides I assume as many shrouded as u can get?
sweet sedge
i run 2 SS 1 DitB
but my inventory isnt very large either
nvm i swapped the DitB to Fan of blades
glad shuttle
they fixed the garrote bug?
I still see them empowered on the3 first one, and normal on a 4th one
cinder lotus
2 SS still better the archiv :/ i just simmed it x.x
inner pulsar
@cinder lotus That is unlikely
cinder lotus
like 500 dps dif
cold dragon
I think its sim yourself both ways. Garrote bug is not fixed afaik. no patch notes about it
inner pulsar
@glad shuttle You checked that the first 3 stayed empowered?
glad shuttle
yeah
tropic citrus
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
glad shuttle
I see 3 with 2200 damages every sec, and one with ~1100
let me know if you see the same thing
inner pulsar
I am not able to test it currently, not in game
strange python
raidbots updated yet?
glad shuttle
just tried it again, I'm pretty sure it's fixed
paper aspen
I may have misunderstood the bot, but the non empowered garrote will reduce the damage of the empowered ones even if the garrotes are all on different targets?
cold dragon
I tested too. Im seeing 3 empowered ticking and one normal