assassination

[placid elbow]

@ember ermine definitely depends on stats but i'm simming better with 2xSS, 1x Laser vs 1x SS, Laser, Archive.

[wheat zealot]

Especially during a TB window

[molten cosmos]

So the goal should to have 1 like that then 2 SS?

[daring imp]

2k crit is what, 30%?

25~30?

[wild stone]

feels like having no SS makes opener awkward

[molten cosmos]

^

[wheat zealot]

Dont know those figures off the top of my head haha

[daring imp]

somewhat around 30% it is then

[wheat zealot]

Yeah it does, but ss isent important anymore. For raiding at least

[daring imp]

it lasts for 2 muts?

or only 1?

[lone junco]

@daring imp im going to run my 2p20 for lol testing.

g m r g m env

[molten cosmos]

@wheat zealot For this raid yes

[wheat zealot]

Nah ss aint shit in raid

[molten cosmos]

But still you don't get the azerite stuff of the raid in HM it is better than nothing

[daring imp]

w/o ss pls

[lone junco]

with early SS the 4p20 with 2 ss. was equiv dps in M+ to about a 50 ilvl drop over all.

I was like 304 or something pulling 25k packs.

[strange python]

is the 4th garrote still bugged with Shrouded?

[daring imp]

wth O_O

[lone junco]

will be funny if 0cd free garrote will pump 100% mut crits

[daring imp]

mut crit will still be at 50ish %

[lone junco]

4p20 is like 60% garrote + subterfuge + ss

[daring imp]

with that stupid poisoned wire

[lone junco]

"stupid" is just a number

[daring imp]

lul

[lone junco]

crank it up a bit and it is bis

stupid knife

ooo bis

[daring imp]

stupid but big knife tho

[oblique kindle]

So how much crit chance is 2000crit rat?

[lone junco]

garrote base is expensive and 6sec.

[daring imp]

i just wished they changed the name to poisoned giantsword if we had 3x sb

should be close to 30% @oblique kindle

[lone junco]

we have base crit value

[oblique kindle]

Thanks so 2x poisoned wire means 60% crit - and always mut criting for 4 conbo points right?

[daring imp]

1% crit is either 68 or 72

[prime pasture]

poisoned wire only pumps crit on 1 mut right?

[lone junco]

mut for 3/4 is nice.

garrote gives the 1.

so garrote mut = 4/5

w/e. its just numbers

so i look forward to seeing a Chinese prophet. banging out some R1

[prime pasture]

time to get that poisoned wire azerite then

next week DD will take the bat, might aswell get ready

[tepid plank]

sa soule

[daring imp]

its overall contribution seems very, very low compared to other stuff

[lone junco]

as it shall be.

[daring imp]

@prime pasture OY DON'T START WITH THAT THEY ARE LISTENING

[lone junco]

each week a new meta

[prime pasture]

LOL sorry

[daring imp]

so our new bis trait is fan of blades huh? lezgo stack it bois

[hard sonnet]

If we all do it we can troll everyone else

[hazy iron]

Nah new meta is no azerite peices, but stack t20

[daring imp]

uh

wait

[hazy iron]

#leavemutalone

[oblique kindle]

This xpac feel so ... Untinished. One week I run DS outlaw, next SS, now poisoned wire... Well...

[wild stone]

Sorry another question (checked pins and hero dmg). So is it safe to "generally assume" that a 370 Archive/Laser with 4+ stacks is better than 340 non-uldir traits?

[prime pasture]

funny how i always hated legendaries in legion.. and now.. now i miss them.. gj blizz, you win

[oblique kindle]

XD

[leaden niche]

370 without would be better lol

Uldir traits are resonable

With stacks they are bis

[hard sonnet]

Go to normal first to get ur stacks

[lone junco]

Legendaries were great once you had them all.

[wild stone]

Okay I have 3 stacks already

whats the max stacks you can grow per week?

[tranquil pivot]

BfA is still in Beta...jesus christ.

[daring imp]

uh not live yet o_o'

[leaden niche]

Got mantle 2 days after it was added kek

@wild stone 1

[wild stone]

okay cool thanks

Making sure

[supple hearth]

@daring imp reset later on I'm pretty sure

[daring imp]

oh

thought they'd change it on this restart

mb

[leaden niche]

Rip sb will not miss the shitty playstyle

[daring imp]

fml

[lone junco]

I even simmed Highest with knife. And chose to take SS.

So here we are.

I am ready for the long haul. SS till the end.

[daring imp]

ok uh how can i say this, i usually did non-crit 25k sb hits with 30 stacks, now it hits 18k, so it is already live i guess, tooltip just didn't change yet

[prime pasture]

SB wasnt that bad once you got used to it

[daring imp]

@supple hearth

[prime pasture]

felt kinda stupid having your ranged skill on top damage done but oh well

[lone junco]

It was actually nice to throw at an add for a ton.

Pew.

[lone junco]

Not a full hot swap. But a nice off dmg.

[daring imp]

😦

[brisk imp]

so what's the 3rd best trait atm, I want to avoid getting screwed by hotfixes for a full week

[daring imp]

me sad

[lone junco]

Dd.

[brisk imp]

traits that don't impact aoe at all 😦 😦 😦

[vale scroll]

nah dd will be nerfed next

[daring imp]

SHUSH @vale scroll

[wild stone]

Is there anywhere to look at traits for PvP?

[lone junco]

think of the Mythic raiders that passed on massive hat cause it was not SB

and it turns out to be Bis for the next 9 weeks

[slim wigeon]

is SS actually this bad in M+ now? i still use them, and i dont think they suck this much?

[daring imp]

m+ ss is great

[prime pasture]

its still good on m+

[lone junco]

@slim wigeon thats per tick. before all the multipliers.

or so i understand the math.

but you should see 6k non crits

[wild stone]

How come on herodamage it shows SS super low on m+ ?

[slim wigeon]

thats from herodamage. i dont quite get why it shows it sux

[lone junco]

they dont do a short stealth sim.

[daring imp]

@prime pasture it was never top damage, it was like among top 5

[lone junco]

the sim is not optimized for SS.

g g g ct.

[daring imp]

unless you got real lucky with crits on zek voz mc tho

[strange python]

So poisoned knife nerf now?

[wild stone]

I'm still confused.. so do we stack 2-3 SS (340) over 370 laser/archive in M+ or no?

[sinful badger]

Does LFR count toward the 3 boss / week kill for array

[strange python]

Yes

[brisk imp]

is there a cap on array?

[daring imp]

well it's already live but tooltip didn't update

[lone junco]

@wild stone if you want to sim, compare the 2 at 6t 40s. patchwerk no raidbuffs.

[marble hemlock]

i think the dungeon sim is still a 6minute fight

[slim wigeon]

i use 2 ss and 1 archive. i find it working fine

[marble hemlock]

so yeah, SS sims fairly low for that one 😛

[prime pasture]

pretty sure it was ended as top damage skill on my M taloc kill this last lockout @daring imp but top 5 is still kind of dumb for our only ranged skill 😛

[wild stone]

@lone junco ty, simming

[daring imp]

well it definitely changes the rotation tho

[lone junco]

afk work. ttyn

[sinful badger]

Still think 1xSB 1x SS and 1x archive is top for ST fights

1x SB still hits very hard

[daring imp]

ok so using 2sb nerfs its damage by 30%

mb

sb

fucking hell

[slim wigeon]

am i correct to assume that our poisons/envenom benefits from the dh 5%, and the bleeds from the monk 5%?

[daring imp]

1x 385 sb

2x sb ( 385 & 340 )

[vestal abyss]

guess i am back to the simming table _-.-

[balmy parcel]

What talents should u run in m+ now? 1210023?

[nova nest]

Sharpened blade got the axe too?

[marble hemlock]

2212233

[balmy parcel]

okay ty

[nova nest]

are the sims updated yet with the new trait changes?

[sinful badger]

Hmmm after that maybe 1x poison wire 1x archive 1x Ss will be new meta

Crit muts after garotte will allow for easy upkeep of EP

[nova nest]

double dose is still good i thought

[static sparrow]

raidbots up to date to sim?

[nova nest]

bloodmallet still doesnt sharpened blades at the top

still shows*

[static sparrow]

looks lower on hero damage?

[sinful badger]

Bloodmallet not up to date yet

[nova nest]

hero damage still high too

[daring imp]

poison wire would need too high of a buff to be as good as the other traits Ç_Ç

[nova nest]

looks like for raiding 1x archive 1x laster matrix 1x double dose

assuming at least 5 stacks

[daring imp]

will still depend on high azerite pieces

[crisp steppe]

why archive & laser matrix?

[daring imp]

pls m+ weekly chest pls gimme big helm/chest

[mellow pier]

Only for it to be nerfed next week

😵

[daring imp]

if everyone starts using archive will they be nerfed after being buffed? lul

i'd die laughing if they did that i think

[little warren]

So after the opener in m+ and you Crimson T do you exsang immediately?

[hollow cloud]

Just wait

:p

[vestal abyss]

Poisoned wire making your next mutilate guaranteed double crit would be good

[main blaze]

I'd rather see increased crit chance AND crit damage

That way stacking the trait makes sense

[molten cosmos]

Well I guess we will have to tc and sim alot here because we will begin to have some talents that are near equal depending on the combination we do and the stuff we have in raid

[vestal abyss]

if they are near equal it would be best to just play what youre comfortable with

[molten cosmos]

It will depends of the stats and gear we have

imo

[vestal abyss]

Remember that Blizz wants ilvl be the most important determiner

so theyre gonna tune traits till they are all near equal anyway

[molten cosmos]

This is why I include gear

[royal lantern]

tbf, if all traits would be equal the howl system would be perfect

cus you can chose according too fights then instead of ´´this is st only, this aoe´´

[strange python]

I do feel like we are being given a tough ride

[sinful badger]

Item level 385 poison wire gives 2k crit

How much percentage is that does anyone know?

[upper shoal]

%40~ i think

before DR

[sinful badger]

So that makes next mutilate have about a 60-70 percent crit chance

That’s not enough to make it viable imo

I hate blizzard

[dark token]

@royal lantern u could choose per fight if reforging didnt double in price every time

[sinful badger]

2x poison wire makes it gauranteed crit

[spice surge]

2k crit is closer to 30%

Can't remember if 1% is 70 or 75. But somewhere around there

[raven mica]

So is laser matrix supposed to be an AOE trait or ST trait?

[jovial aurora]

Is it any good to run 2 pieces of gear with sb?

After hotfix

[daring imp]

scroll up a bit hecawim

[hollow stone]

We all panicking about sb nerf yet? Looks like yes

[daring imp]

i posted what happened with sb stacking after this nerf

[jovial aurora]

Ok thanks

[hollow stone]

Good news everyone, if they keep nerfing top traits, sooner or later, ss will be top trait again 🌈

[devout jolt]

DD nerf next patch

[daring imp]

can't wait to have fan of blades top single target trait

[molten cosmos]

@hollow stone It is still good atm

[strange python]

never stopped running trip ss lol

[hollow stone]

Good =/= best for every situation

[molten cosmos]

Ofc

[hollow stone]

Which is why i said top and not good or viable

[molten cosmos]

But it is not even low tier or last , even the situation

[hollow stone]

No. Its like 5th or 6th. Just a couple more weeks til its back to #1 for st and m+

We in it bouz

[strange python]

will poison wire be any good with the 50% buff?

[hollow stone]

Probably not. Wait for sims

[strange python]

I don't think it can ever be good right? maybe in combination with something like DD if it effects the damage

true

[molten cosmos]

^

[daring imp]

dd gameplay doesn't change at all does it

i mean from other traits

[royal lantern]

nope

[daring imp]

just clip envenom buff and that's all

[sinful badger]

I’m running 1x SB 1x Archive 1xSS in mythic tonight

[royal lantern]

tbf, you should try too clip it with the envenom debuff anyway

[lone junco]

I wouldn't mind seeing high crit play on twist.

[royal lantern]

twist will probably get better later in the expac and we all get higher crit %

[lone junco]

High env uptime

[spice nymph]

Poison rogue

[lone junco]

But would need crit and mastery to make it dance. Currently we have enough stats to pick one of the 4

[daring imp]

don't we already have high env uptime? like stupidly high?

[lone junco]

But poison bomb might slide back to 4% 👀

I doubt it's over 70%

But I haven't looked

[daring imp]

ep is normally on 70 already

like 65 70

[lone junco]

Anyway. Just saying Twist has a double synergy.

[daring imp]

i want my envenoms critting like sb before nerf too

[lone junco]

Not that it is good or will be good.

50k env?

[daring imp]

juicy

i think on that 40k st seli does his envs hit like 40k crit

[hasty crater]

are the sb nerfs/ poisoned wire buffs already simmable ?

[daring imp]

not sure they're on nightly yet

[high siren]

hey guys, how've you been doing in m+ since SS nerf ?

[sinful badger]

Overall I’m just very tired of every single patch being a rogue nerf. We have constantly been forced to switch traits. Almost every class was just buffed and again, rogues are nerfed

[royal lantern]

same as before the nerf, just not ridicolous op anymore

[eager cobalt]

Still top of the meters

SS is still really good in m+

[high siren]

ST and multi ?

running with exsangue or TB ?

[hasty crater]

Yeah i have to once again swap traits since i ran 2x SB and 1x archive

[eager cobalt]

garrote, tag, garrote, tag, garrote, fok fok fok fok

[royal lantern]

@sinful badger tbf, all 3 specs had something that made them too strong

[sinful badger]

Define too strong

[spice nymph]

Yeah rogues ruled everything basically

[torpid crag]

Im still running Tb over Exsan

Feels better to play IMO

[unkempt karma]

Ruled* ok

[daring imp]

@high siren pretty great, did a few 9's and 10's yesterday, all ranging from 13 to 16k overall dps

[eager cobalt]

I play Tb over Exang as well. No issues with M+. Generally do 14k on bosses and 18k on trash

[daring imp]

exception being the kings rest we had like 10 wipes on 3rd boss, fml

[unkempt karma]

Gota try those damn garrotes...

[torpid crag]

I still struggle a bit with AoE dmg

But my ST is fine

[eager cobalt]

Are you keeping bleeds up on roughly 3-4 targets?

[sinful badger]

Would just tab garotte three targets then CT and fok rupture everything gg

[daring imp]

i try to keep atleast ~5 bleeds around

and ct always up

[torpid crag]

Do you actually try to rupture everything

[eager cobalt]

maintain bleeds on at least 3 and at most 4 and fok

[unkempt karma]

Crimson templet?

[eager cobalt]

then just envenom

[daring imp]

ye

[unkempt karma]

Gold to know

[daring imp]

ct easily hits 10% overall dmg on the dungeon if you manage to keep it up

[unkempt karma]

Good

[lone junco]

I rupture elites.

[daring imp]

just don't use it for ST

[wild stone]

Do you rupture 3 and then start using crimson or crimson first???

[sinful badger]

CT first

[serene basin]

yea this past week was fortified, so mobs were a bit more hefty

[eager cobalt]

I don't have CT

[lone junco]

My last dungeon was 14% Ct.

[daring imp]

with 3x shrouded suffocation i garrote > garrote > garrote > ct

[eager cobalt]

I don't know if it's really worth it?

[serene basin]

it was last week at least

[sinful badger]

Every rogue has crimson tempest

[wheat zealot]

Lmao ct is def worth

[serene basin]

fort teeming

[unkempt karma]

And thats all ongbak?

Damn.

[lone junco]

Magic 8-ball says yes.

[daring imp]

well, if your tank pulls stuff too slow, you might feel it's not a worthy talent to pick over pb @eager cobalt

[wild stone]

CT > 3 ruptures then CT again?

[unkempt karma]

Alrighty, Will keep that in mind

[daring imp]

@unkempt karma no no, i keep the debuff up until the mobs are starting to die, that's just the opening with SS

[lone junco]

Neg. my tank pulls slow. And still have high Ct.

[serene basin]

@wild stone gotta throw some FoK's to generate points

[wild stone]

Yeah i mean finishers

thought the FoKs was implied

[unkempt karma]

Yeah 3x garrote then ct, fok and apply rupture?

[daring imp]

well after emp garrotes end you might want to cast them too

[lone junco]

G g g Ct. FOK FOK rupture. (Each elite). Then refresh Ct or env

[daring imp]

now this week it's gonna be juicy

necrotic & raging

"yo tank pull this whole room & the next and kite the fuck around pls"

[serene basin]

honestly a pretty easy week

if your tank manages necro properly and kites

[high siren]

"if"

[serene basin]

IF

[lone junco]

Raging on stuff that can't be kited or stunned with a trash mob that heals them to full.

[torpid crag]

Any1 knows how to use the Gatecaller Boon Trinket effectively?

[daring imp]

well just gotta pay close attention to those xD

[lone junco]

GC is ez.

[torpid crag]

I usually use it on CD when Ik boss won't do anything fancy but

[devout jolt]

and before exsang

[lone junco]

I use prior to exang. The end.

[torpid crag]

Guess same applies when u play TB

[dark token]

u dont even have to worry about standing in it with exsang

since exsang snapshots ur dots

[lone junco]

G g g Ct vendetta FOK FOK rupture GC exsang.

[dark token]

just galecallers exsang and go

[lone junco]

You need to stand in it when you press exang.

[daring imp]

i'm lazy to do exsang on aoe rotation ç_ç

[lone junco]

Wot.

[high siren]

macro GC to exsangue

[lone junco]

Exang is energy

Could.

[wild stone]

whats GC?

[eager cobalt]

@daring imp I'll try Exang+CT. I generally play with an Eleshaman and DK tank so they smash the trash

[mortal warren]

@wild stone galecallers boon+

[wild stone]

trinket?

[daring imp]

@eager cobalt definitely depends a bit more on the comp, but i really think you should try it out, it's great on high keys

[eager cobalt]

RIP I'll never get a decent trinket

[mortal warren]

yep its a trinket

[torpid crag]

tfw I got one of the BiS for outlaw rogue on 380

But not the one I want

[fresh ginkgo]

week 3: still trying to get boon ⛏

[eager cobalt]

It's crazy how many dumb dumbs say rogues are bad in high keys because of "bad cleave"

[torpid crag]

[eager cobalt]

when I think rogue AoE is very solid

[daring imp]

^

[fresh ginkgo]

i get about 25k dps on 4-5 pack pulls

never higher t ho

frost mages and DH aoe burst tho

[daring imp]

seliathan's +15 underrot this week

[strange python]

DH in general tho 😢

[royal lantern]

im happy that dh has the good aoe burst

can slack on mother cus of that

[serene basin]

i mean every other dh ability is some form of aoe burst

exactly

[fresh ginkgo]

damn that dmg

[daring imp]

oy that fel barrage with gcb is god damn stronk

[fresh ginkgo]

a

[versed apex]

There are a lot of demons, so they need ways to kill a lot of demons real quick

[daring imp]

haste doesn't make fel barrage cast ends earlier, it makes it send out more ticks instead

[fresh ginkgo]

i guess i never did anything past +10 this week tho

[daring imp]

a single talent being over 20% on any m+ dhs do is nuts

[lone junco]

Garrote. Ahem.

[daring imp]

not a talent tho :X

we abuse traits and talent, they just pick the talent

[opaque grotto]

Ye but garrote was like 50% of your dmg on trash packs

[marble hemlock]

it wasnt

[opaque grotto]

With subt/SS?

Yes it was lol

[marble hemlock]

i mean, if all you did was garrote and then go afk, it was, yes

if you maintained CT, multi-rupture efficiently etc.

[daring imp]

also lower keys before the nerf

[marble hemlock]

it was closer to 40%

35-40%

[worldly trench]

What a good nights rest. Can't wait to see which trait is nerfed today :^)

[fiery bear]

check the pins 😄

[pulsar goblet]

dont play sub

then you are ok

😃

[worldly trench]

IT'S REAL LMAO

[daring imp]

sad with sb nerf

ç_ç

[fiery bear]

so any predictions for next weeks nerf? which trait will be next 😛

[daring imp]

dd

fan of blades next bis single target

[fiery bear]

lol

[worldly trench]

I really don't wanna play rogue until they stop nerfing every trait into the ground

[marble hemlock]

only packs y ou had 50% garrote was if it was like 3 mobs and you vanished into it aswell

but it definitely deserved to get nerfed

[sonic spindle]

I really liked the opener for ST it brought around though 😦

[worldly trench]

I feel like I can't log out of my rogue for 2 days without parking him at the reforger

[royal lantern]

you can and probably still should take 1 ss

[rain brook]

if one trait outperforms every other so hard it obviously needs to be nerfed, why would anyone cry about it

[royal lantern]

trait is still good for st and 1 of the best for m+

[spice surge]

Ilvl is generally the best anyway

[worldly trench]

because think = hard

[daring imp]

@rain brook explain sb outperforming then ç_ç

[pale scroll]

idk why blizz made 3 stacking traits so good

[inner pulsar]

More nerfs?! The world is crumbling around us!

[daring imp]

lul

[pale scroll]

they should i made it so it becomes less power for each one you have

[daring imp]

gonna have lunch, will be back on reset to brag/cry on new item tho, peace

[pale scroll]

then you can run 3 diff traits and mabye have diff game play

[royal lantern]

thats wath they are doing with sb? 🤔

[sonic spindle]

I don’t know why Blizz made us have to choose between 97 different passive traits

[spice surge]

Idk do people really have multiple 370 pieces to swap between or are they still with 340s?

[worldly trench]

I think combo's of traits should be the focus of the azerite gear

[pale scroll]

ya but i mean for most traits

[marble hemlock]

so we can make MEANINGFUL decisions

and when we do

they get nerfed

[pale scroll]

ya having combos would be sick

[marble hemlock]

so we can make different MEANINGFUL decisions

[royal lantern]

deepens on luck in raids, im sitting at 2 370 pieces 1 340

[lament dove]

there are no decisions ever
there's alwas a bis stuff which makes people flock to it

[pale scroll]

i love the feeling of grinding 3 traits and them getting nerfed

lol

[hidden oasis]

so what now

[spice surge]

Grinding where

[hidden oasis]

the vial is gonna be bis trait?

[balmy perch]

In before overwhelmimg power//heed my call nirf

[spice surge]

Grinding a weekly lockout

?

[hollow stone]

Now, we play the game

[balmy perch]

They hit the outer ring time for middle ring

[hidden oasis]

i mrsn poisoned wire

mean*

[sonic spindle]

I don’t even know why they have those stupid inner rings, they’re mostly irrelevant.

[royal lantern]

idk man, i like the prydaz passive shield

got the trait 2x and get a nice 21k shield every 30seconds

[hollow stone]

What?! Group sprint is op. We needed a shitty roar

[hasty crater]

if poisoned wire buffs are up on raidbots then i sim higher with 1 SB than 1 poisoned wire which means its bad

[sonic spindle]

I don’t hate random bonuses, I just don’t know why there’s a mechanic around making them exist

[spice surge]

I like the heal when damaged every 6 seconds traits

[lament dove]

the 3 middle rings make up like 4-5% of your dmg

[balmy perch]

Is SS still top for M+?

[inner pulsar]

Yeah, but is 3xSS?

[hidden oasis]

well blizz said they're gonna make traits way more complicated in 8.1 so be patient boiss

maybe traits will be gucci

[inner pulsar]

Oh my god, I was joking, and yet someone asked it right above me

[royal lantern]

and overwhelming power procs feels good

so much haste

[spice surge]

They will be, just like legendaries were a mess at launch and decent later on

[lament dove]

hasters gonna haste

[inner pulsar]

@hidden oasis Blizz said Warfronts were compelling content so......

[spice surge]

This will be the same

[royal lantern]

nah, just dont like the blind hate some people have for azerite gear

some stuff is nice, some stuff is bad

[spice surge]

Idk warfronts were pretty neat the first time

[red plaza]

it just feels like this would be something they would iron out before launch

[hollow stone]

Now that sub is nerfed, ss is nerfed, sb is nerfed, whats the best rogue? 🤡

[sonic spindle]

It’s not all just blind hate, it’s genuinely a poopy system as a whole though

[red plaza]

when some traits give 1200 dps and some give 12 dps

[inner pulsar]

The hate comes from a perceived lack of control

[hasty crater]

Blind hate ? i have to swap my 370 chest between archive and SS depending on content i have to do, its so fucking expensive

[wheat zealot]

Triage rogue is best now @hollow stone

[spice surge]

Don't want to farm it, but yeah

[hidden oasis]

i liked legendaries way more than this azerite system

it just sucks

[hollow stone]

Ooo. My like heal rogue

[royal lantern]

no

pls no legendarys ever again

[spice surge]

Did you play at legion launch?

[worldly trench]

^^^

[hidden oasis]

every class legendary made your playstyle different

[hollow stone]

We are the heels now

[lament dove]

speed support rogue

[inner pulsar]

@hasty crater No you don't, you chose to, I bet if you actually knew the dps difference, you wouldnt bother

[royal lantern]

oh you didnt got the shoulders on EN? bench for you!

[red plaza]

because it happened in legion it should happen in bfa? do people not learn from mistakes?

[royal lantern]

such a nice system!

[inner pulsar]

Glad Triage Rogue is catching on

[worldly trench]

you know what I miss? Heely's

[hidden oasis]

@royal lantern dude it wasnt liek that at all

shoulders didnt even exist in EN

[sonic spindle]

I like the different play styles, but getting your first leggo be those haste after kill boots ruined my soul.

[royal lantern]

specific legendarys made such a gigantic difference it was stupid

[hasty crater]

@inner pulsar Euhh in raid its a 1k sim difference with 3 stacks of reorinisation array

[royal lantern]

or classes like spriest where unplayable without 2x the right one

[inner pulsar]

@hidden oasis Actually, for many specs there was a make or break difference

[spice surge]

Those were crafted swine, cut your bullshit

[hidden oasis]

well i got all the good legendaries fairly early so i guess i didnt feel it like some other people i guess

[hollow stone]

Ooohhhh. Called oot

[inner pulsar]

@hasty crater SO then leave it Archive

[worldly trench]

does reorigination ray work in m+? I don't remember

[inner pulsar]

@worldly trench No

[royal lantern]

nope

[sonic spindle]

Oh right, I bought those because it took forever for me to finally get my kil’jaden ring

[worldly trench]

kk ty

[inner pulsar]

The trait works, just not Reorg Array

[worldly trench]

well like the stat buff

[hidden oasis]

i rly loved the playstyle with mantle tho

feelsbad that they took that away

[balmy perch]

Mantle was fun

[inner pulsar]

That isn't specific enough, Archive is a stat buff, Reorg Array is also a stat buff

[worldly trench]

mantle pepeHands

[hollow stone]

You guys see the buffs to cloak trait? Gonna heal for more w it now

Gonna be sweet

[lone junco]

@spice surge team sephuz. For my first. Was a sad year.

No bracer Insig memes in EN.

[balmy perch]

I got the legendary heal pants first, which was noce for wq and world pvp but overall not good

[hidden oasis]

i didnt get sephuz nor prydaz the whole expansion

on any of my heroes

[lone junco]

And with haste being dead stat.

[hidden oasis]

#luckyaf

[royal lantern]

prydaz pre-buff was pretty bad too

[lone junco]

Yeah. I was sephuz prydaz. 😦

[inner pulsar]

I think ultimately people's anger stems from not being able to farm whatever trait they feel is best, at an appropriate ilvl

[fiery bear]

the loot rng awlays sucks

[hollow stone]

I liked having the equip 2 legos garrison trait before getting 1 lego. That was cool

[hidden oasis]

they should've just made azerite gear something like artifacts

and u just spend AP for traits

[lone junco]

Actually sent a log clip from ursoc. R1 was Alaize at 800k dps. Top sephuz prydaz was rank 650 or something.

[fiery bear]

specially if u need to target a specific item and any other item compared to it sucks ass

[lone junco]

To devs.

[hidden oasis]

idk why it has to be so rng all over again

[royal lantern]

there was always rng with loot, not much stuff changed

[serene basin]

i know a ton of people who got zoldyck's as their last legendary during antorus

feels good

[royal lantern]

and idk why people complain about using 340 pieces over 370, restro druids used t19 set until antorus came out

[hollow stone]

At least with no artifacts we can constantly switch to the best spec tho, right??

[hidden oasis]

mantle+boots prenerf Pog

it was just insane

[lone junco]

@frosty robin you sin boi now? After all these sweet balances

[hidden oasis]

oh yea and CoF 905

[inner pulsar]

Ok, RNG is the chance that you get a specific piece of loot from a loot table, not being able to even control the table you are choosing from is different

[royal lantern]

but...you know wich traits the piece will give you and you can try too get it each week?

[inner pulsar]

No

You cant

[lone junco]

Just not which ones will be good next week 😃

[royal lantern]

idk, tier pieces where excatly the same, you had 1 chance each difficulty for them, and if you didnt get it you tried again

[sonic spindle]

I hate having a helm totally removed from a boss, because the traits are poop, so that helm might as well not exist.

[inner pulsar]

The loot table for you weekly chest is huge, and is the only place to get DD for instance

[hollow stone]

Took me like 2 months to get 4p in ant, but at least i had actual chances each week. Thats what youre sayin', right?

[royal lantern]

THATS a trait balance problem, it has nothing too do with the ´´evil azerite grind for gear´´ people cry about

[lone junco]

I got azerite in m+ box week 2. That's good right? Even if it is scent

[sonic spindle]

Well getting a new piece of gear only to grind AP to unlock a trait you had before, is pretty stupid.

[royal lantern]

• if your tier effects where shit(like spriest antorus, arms warrior antorus etc) you had nothing too farm for too

[fresh coyote]

When will raidbots be updated with the new trait sims?

[royal lantern]

you used the old tier stuff cus it was better and that was it

[sonic spindle]

Nobody liked doing that either

[lone junco]

Traits are better. And def more flexible. Just takes a lot of balancing.

[royal lantern]

yeha, but thats not a new azerite only problem

[sonic spindle]

It is when this replaced tier gear

[inner pulsar]

As far as tier goes, no, once they went to the token system, I could choose, and had multiple opportunities each week

[frosty robin]

@lone junco im whatevers decent

[inner pulsar]

But thats ok, we don't have to agree

[royal lantern]

its the internet man, you need too insult my family OR fuck my mother

[sonic spindle]

Again?

Jkjk

[inner pulsar]

Already did the latter, and it was awesome, so no reason for the former

[royal lantern]

thats the spirit

[lone junco]

@frosty robin you running dh or warrior Alts, or just rogue.

[sonic spindle]

I just don’t see why they add in a new system, but keep core problems

[frosty robin]

warrior main, rogue alt

[lone junco]

Rip

[inner pulsar]

@sonic spindle Because they didn't see it as a problem

[lone junco]

Warrior is decent for sure.

And you get a cool buff.

[sonic spindle]

They kind of backpedaled on that during the Q&A though. I just don’t get where their head is at this expansion.

[inner pulsar]

Our prot warrior was complaining last night because he said RC was part of his mitigation toolkit and we were forcing him to use it at inopportune times. We told him to eat a dick

[wheat zealot]

Prot warriors in 2018

[lone junco]

Rc?

[inner pulsar]

@sonic spindle The only mistake they can make going forward is to say "We see a problem, but we've gone to far to change" (internally of course)

Rallying Cry

[wheat zealot]

Rallying cry

[zenith cedar]

Fuck Blizzard

[worldly trench]

Hey prot is good 😦

[zenith cedar]

You have to be kidding me

Another set of nerfs

[inner pulsar]

REALLY?!

[worldly trench]

just another day @zenith cedar

[zenith cedar]

Like What happened to “buffing bad traits instead of nerfing decent ones”

[lone junco]

Sync SS and enjoy that sweet GC deeps.

[zenith cedar]

Sharp blades was already a huge sacrifice

[worldly trench]

welcome to balancing by blizz in 2018 omegalul

[zenith cedar]

Because it suffers heavily on movement fights and provides no AOE DPS

[lone junco]

Then go to the reforger and give him your coins.

[inner pulsar]

Make it rain on him

[zenith cedar]

Oh yeah let me use

Poisoned wire

[inner pulsar]

THey buffed it yo

[zenith cedar]

What a fucking joke

[lone junco]

I honestly believe there are devs that lurk herodamage and look for outliers.

[inner pulsar]

Thats what you wanted....

[zenith cedar]

Ofc there are

[inner pulsar]

Them to buff bad traits right?

[lone junco]

It was very very high on the m+ dungeon chart.

[zenith cedar]

Yeah it doesn’t make them useful

[inner pulsar]

Ah

[lone junco]

Devs?

[zenith cedar]

When. Poisoned wire is 400% behind every other trait

A 50% buff to its crit chance doesn’t do shit

[hot flume]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[inner pulsar]

So you've simmed out the dps change from this nerf?

[zenith cedar]

No I used my fucking brain

[lone junco]

Mut crit is bae.

[zenith cedar]

Because I can do math

[inner pulsar]

Really?

[sonic spindle]

Quick maffs

[modest zodiac]

So according to my sims, mastery >> crit>haste in M+

[inner pulsar]

So what kind of decrease are we talking for you?

[modest zodiac]

I simmed using 6 boss patchwerk 40 seconds

[brisk forge]

So 200% behind now then 😏

[lone junco]

@modest zodiac crit and mastery are close. Pick crit. Then mastery. Haste is garbo in FOK spam.

[inner pulsar]

What was SB providing you before, assuming you were stacking 2 traits

[zenith cedar]

I was using a 370 SS, 385 SB, 340 SB so this nerd is significant for me

[mystic glade]

im supposed to always use toxic before envenom right?

[inner pulsar]

Orly? How much?

[lone junco]

M+ sim is silly. Just do your own.

[zenith cedar]

The second SB was the only reason 385 SB was even viable

It’s not good without stacking

[modest zodiac]

You think Archive or SS for dungeons?

[inner pulsar]

You already did the math, so what is the difference>

?

[zenith cedar]

So to nerf the trait outright is making it useless

SB was already one of the worst traits before stacking

To nerf the stacking AND it’s damage by 30% is egregious

[weak socket]

Still not seeing any math...

Just seeing some crying...

[wheat zealot]

Less qq moar pew pew

[inner pulsar]

How much was the nerf to the stacking?

[lone junco]

Saw numbers earlier. 18k non crit with 2. Was 24k ish.

[zenith cedar]

They didn’t specify in the notes

Previously was like 80k crit with 2 SB

[lone junco]

But that's just one guy's details.

[solid nova]

@zenith cedar Not how you conduct yourself here.

[zenith cedar]

So that’s massive

[inner pulsar]

Oh, so, you don;t know if it was egregious or not

[hasty crater]

I sim about 500 lower than before with 2xSB and 1x archive

[zenith cedar]

@solid nova control the trolls

[solid nova]

Control your language.

[lone junco]

I look forward to the mut crit meta.

[zenith cedar]

@solid nova @inner pulsar

[modest zodiac]

I think SS> Archive for M+. even with ner

[hasty crater]

1xsb, 1xDD,1xarchive sims highest for me now at 15k

[inner pulsar]

I'm not trolling you, I am legitimately asking you to provide context to your claims

[zenith cedar]

It’s goin to be x1SS and DD most likely from here on out

I haven’t “claimed” anything

[wheat zealot]

And you are providing no actual source of your information

[zenith cedar]

I said SB is nerfed

The hotfixes very clearly spell that out

[hasty crater]

You did the math tho, apparently ur 100% sure poisoned wire gonna be dog shit, they asking for ur math

[inner pulsar]

So to nerf the trait outright is making it useless
SB was already one of the worst traits before stacking
To nerf the stacking AND it’s damage by 30% is egregious

That is your quote

Those are ALL claims

[final dust]

Well they only needed the stacking to win

The 30% was only to sub

[zenith cedar]

Look at bloodmallet and you can confirm everything I’ve said I’m not here to hold your hands

[desert vault]

do we still get our weekly cache in Dalaran?

[waxen cliff]

I still don’t have a dd 😦

[zenith cedar]

No it was to sub and Mut

[solid nova]

@desert vault

!chest

[inner pulsar]

Haha

[lone junco]

All they needed to do was add DR to all traits.

[solid nova]

Dead command

[desert vault]

!chest

[solid nova]

Ded bot

[desert vault]

so dead

x.x

[lone junco]

Just make people spread traits

[zenith cedar]

They want to eliminate all trait stacking basically

[solid nova]

I'll find the link for you.

[lone junco]

"All". But they did it with relics.

[zenith cedar]

They’re back pedaling on the trait stacking

[inner pulsar]

But no, you get cache in your new city@desert vault

[sonic spindle]

Horde side is easy, just ask for the arch trainer, it’s literally crushing her

[lone junco]

Cause vendetta would overlap.

[median mason]

Players are spreading traits like they're spreading their cheeks for ion to fix class balance

[inner pulsar]

@desert vault Horde or alliance>

?

[desert vault]

alliance

[lone junco]

You could have vendetta boot CoF. Overlap.

[spice surge]

Then they should make all trait non-stackable, having some that cant be stacked and others that can is just confusing for no reason

[brisk forge]

Harbourmaster

[inner pulsar]

It is where the map is, the where you choose your first zone

[brisk forge]

@desert vault

[light kestrel]

They know and have admitted that the azerite system is pretty fubar'd. They're throwing darts at a board and nerfing whatever sticks for longer then a week.

[inner pulsar]

If that makes sense

[lone junco]

I don't mind stackable. Just force the dr.

[desert vault]

i'll figure it out I'm sure 😃

[lone junco]

Too many knobs to tune.

[brisk forge]

Harbourmaster @desert vault

[solid nova]

@desert vault Weekly chest position:
Alliance - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKPlCI652Wo
Horde - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLjg2XCTe7U

[spice surge]

My point is that it should be consistent among all traits, not just a few select ones

[desert vault]

@solid nova thanks

[wheat zealot]

^^ what a guy

[solid nova]

Found it 😄

[daring imp]

now is the time for greatness

[light kestrel]

They had their hands full with legiondarie... and they essentially what, quadrupled that? And are adding even more "complex ones" later?

[vale field]

great disappointment

[daring imp]

not upgrade, gr8 lul

atleast ilvl bump up

[inner pulsar]

Hmmm, I am almost scared to look

[daring imp]

wait, when you join on any group's lfg it shows bag ilvl right?

[inner pulsar]

I believe so

[solid nova]

Yeah

[daring imp]

oh, all good then

[inner pulsar]

ilvl cheese!

[brisk forge]

Stupied tho, should show EQ 🤔

[vale field]

380 crit/vers dagger. cant complain too much i guess

[daring imp]

oh you dirty waffle

[sonic spindle]

Then people just equip trash gear

[brisk forge]

True

[tidal sedge]

so dagger in the back or twist the knife?

[inner pulsar]

DitB

Wait, that picture sucked

[light kestrel]

Annnd I got dicked on the weekly cache

last week I got a 380 belt, this week I got a 385 belt

[solid nova]

390 belt next week believe

[violet yew]

YOU CAN DO IT

[light kestrel]

I believe in the dream

[river quarry]

is uh

[river quarry]

poisoned wire good yet?

[daring imp]

prob not

[river quarry]

o

[daring imp]

even with buff

[inner pulsar]

So, yeah, not great

[daring imp]

it was already very low to begin with

so ...

[tropic crypt]

I remember in legion getting a Neck 4 weeks in a row, not a single WF or anything

[lone junco]

Is it "next mut" or a buff over time?

[waxen cliff]

I’ve gotten a back everytime.

[static tiger]

I'm glad i have two of these now. .

[waxen cliff]

He speed one from Kong’s rest tfed

[solid nova]

@lone junco Next iirc

[wheat zealot]

At least you have plenty of cloaks for the winter months ahead

[waxen cliff]

Yessss lol

[lone junco]

Winter is coming.

[wheat zealot]

[inner pulsar]

@static tiger Now you dont have to reforge to spec change!

[scenic nacelle]

got a 370 Galecallers in my cache

[daring imp]

pog

[waxen cliff]

Gratttttzzzzz

[unreal bear]

makes me wish i was actually friendly with people to do +10

[scenic nacelle]

good mood for the rest of the day, best of luck to all you guys

same

[gentle hornet]

another week another shitty azerite piece

[waxen cliff]

I did a 10 last night to help my friends

That are 340

Wanted to neck myself

[unreal bear]

guess i'll keep pugging +4 every week like an idiot

[lone junco]

Carry in a Garrote before combat. Hit a turnip.

Mut garrote rupture. Bam. Already making meta happen.

[daring imp]

lul

[inner pulsar]

I did +8 Underrot this week with a pug, and it made me lose faith in humanity

[last cedar]

2nd ring from the cache

[waxen cliff]

I did a 10

[unreal bear]

pugs are the worst. especially with raider.io

[waxen cliff]

For 2 hours

[lone junco]

They will turn that knob until it is viable.

[last cedar]

Fuck I just want anything but jewelry

[inner pulsar]

69 deaths

[novel island]

380 dagger from my first chest. Came back to wow a couple weeks ago. Pretty happy.

[lone junco]

Isn't the crit rating based on ilvl?

[daring imp]

@unreal bear what do you mean? rio is the reason i can pug at all @_@"

[lone junco]

I thought it scaled.

[last cedar]

Had a 692 say that he did a 105 death 9 motherlode 🤣

[gentle hornet]

385 raiment of the blighted tribe. ruinous bolt (didn't even know that was a thing), fan of blades (have 2 385's with this now), the first dance, and snake eyes

[solid nova]

@novel island Welcome back feral dad

[inner pulsar]

@gentle hornet Yeap, thats prettyy terrible

[unreal bear]

@daring imp i got denied for a +2 the other week because of it. i'm 360 ilvl lmao

i've barely done m+ and people are weird about it

[lone junco]

His baby is a bear. Makes sense.

[daring imp]

you can't know if it's because of rio

[spice surge]

Fan of blades isnt too bad tbh

For ST ofc

[unreal bear]

they specifically said my rio score was low

[daring imp]

it's a +2 the guy probably wanted to invite someone of his own loot class

[unreal bear]

so they didnt want me

[inner pulsar]

Have a +8 Tol Dagor key, pretty sure I'll just throw that away

[daring imp]

wth

[unreal bear]

yeah

[daring imp]

then they wanted to be carried?

[unreal bear]

in a +2? LUL

who knows

[solid nova]

Rio for a +2

[sour trout]

i would get a poisoned wire/SB 370 shoulders..

[solid nova]

Errrrrrrrrrrrr

[daring imp]

well

i argue rio does less harm than good

[unreal bear]

it's like GearScore back in the day, people with no brains thinking it means everything

[inner pulsar]

@sour trout It got buffed yo!

[daring imp]

i do a lot of pugged 9's and up tho

i'd be fucked if not for rio

[solid nova]

Yeah for pug pushes sure i get that

But a +2

[lament dove]

rio is only ggod for people who are actively working on their rio

[solid nova]

Thats ott

[daring imp]

i know

people are dumb

[lament dove]

I couldn't care less running all m+ just for that

[sour trout]

@inner pulsar the buff still shit lol

[solid nova]

Pug standards 😂

[unreal bear]

yeah i've basically put m+ on the backburner and stick to raid at this point

[daring imp]

1st week uldir "AOTC GROUP 370+"

kinda like that

[unreal bear]

doing arena for the rest

[static tiger]

cant believe i got the same exact 385 shoulders 2 weeks in a row

[cosmic pier]

i mean m+ is the best place to get gear atm

[red plaza]

meh, asking for obscene io is a bit crazy...but i have noticed 700+ players are def better than sub 300 players

so it has some merit

[cosmic pier]

370 with whatever stats you want infinitely farmable

[daring imp]

m+ for gear? meh, i want dem mounts

got sharkbait these days

[inner pulsar]

@sour trout Yeah sorry, I was making a joke

[daring imp]

ayyy

[cosmic pier]

i didn't run 10s last week with people less than 1000. affixes were too fucked

[unreal bear]

m+ exists to make repairs remove gold from the economy

[inner pulsar]

Gotta m+ for that weekly cache, so I can get DD

[sour trout]

LOL

[novel island]

Thanks @solid nova

[sour trout]

is bloodmallet updated with poison wire buff?

[inner pulsar]

Or, a belt I guess

[cosmic pier]

hmm 🤔

[merry coral]

So I just got the azerite chest 385 from motherload with rupture and sharpened blades but I dont know what to do and which trait to use 🤔

[placid elbow]

SS

[daring imp]

scent of blood with 2x ss for m+

[sour trout]

no need to be a dick i was just wondering because poison wire is STILL TRASHHHH

[daring imp]

might not be bad at all

[inner pulsar]

@merry coral

[dreamy solstice]

370 harlans dice from cache woop

[inner pulsar]

Noice

[unreal bear]

they didn't specify a % on SB nerf

is there an estimate?

[daring imp]

~30% stacking

[unreal bear]

l o l

[unkempt karma]

Got a cache today? Dafuq

[daring imp]

well it is tuesday ...

[strange python]

NA reset is today

[solid nova]

NA day innit

[strange python]

innit bruv

[rough agate]

380 harlans wohoo

[unkempt karma]

Ahh Nice, didnt even know NA reset is today :D

Gz

[hard sonnet]

Gonna go home for lunch and check cache and be disappointed for the 3rd week in a row

[inner pulsar]

@daring imp You would need to do that test with just the 1 340 SS to draw any conclusion from it

Right?

[daring imp]

1x 340 one would not increment only 4k damage with 30 stacks

[lone junco]

That stack dr is pretty rough.

[reef salmon]

so shrouded suffocation is not stackable anymore? is it worth stacking then?

[lone junco]

Gl.

[daring imp]

using the 385 and 340 comparing to with 385

the amount the 340 adds is only 4k

[inner pulsar]

I'm sorry, where do I see that

[daring imp]

the damage they did

385 alone is ~14k per hit

385 with 340 is ~18k

[alpine atlas]

How much is the 340 alone?

[inner pulsar]

Nvm, I see it now

[daring imp]

should've been close to 10~11k

[unkempt karma]

Is it me or do sims show as SS being pretty lie on sims.

Low

[daring imp]

the 385 & 340 previously did 25k non-crit

dropped to 18k

[inner pulsar]

Its DiTB and DD for me boys!

You know, cause thats what I have.....

[unkempt karma]

Lal

[daring imp]

lul

[inner pulsar]

I think people are sleeping on DitB though, just saying

[final stone]

so with zul should i be padlord and run ct nad be like warriors bladestorm on zerg strat haha

[gentle belfry]

What is the trait prio for Uldir after the changes?

[daring imp]

what sims the highest @_@"

based on what you have*

[strange python]

hey guys i already have 2x SS and have a choice between DD or Incite the pack for my m+ set, unsure what to sim for a m+ environment so hoping you guys can let me know xo

[final stone]

also last weeks affixes sucked yes but if you had people that were competent it wasnt terrible

[daring imp]

incite the pack is that mastery proc?

[lone junco]

@inner pulsar Ditb is was my top with 1archive. 1sb. 1ditb. But I didn't really like the MA tb knife.

[strange python]

yes ongbak

[daring imp]

it might be better than DD for m+

think about it with me: how often do you mutilate on trash packs?

[strange python]

yea i heard DD wasnt too great for m+ but i was wondering if it was worth taking for the bosses

and idk if incite is pure garb

[desert vault]

what is the general rule for ilvl value of a SS trait vs a garbage trait?

[warped oyster]

Does Master Poisoner effect Leeching Poison??

[royal lantern]

yes

[daring imp]

m+ ss is likely the best

[royal lantern]

just take it and check the leeching effect lol

[strange python]

M+ SS is king

[vital haven]

385 azerite piece from cache\

lets fucking go!!!!

[daring imp]

looks at it: fan of blades

lul

[little frigate]

haha

[vital haven]

dagger in the back

[daring imp]

ohhhh

nice

[vital haven]

so at least very good for single target

[hard sonnet]

Ewww hunter icon in here geetttt

[willow prairie]

Hi guys, i did some tests and it seems that when I put my rupture with or without elaborate planning it does exactly the same damage is it normal ? should rupture be power up when applied during elaborate panning is up ?

[gentle hornet]

@daring imp , i'm rocking 2 340 ss's b/c my 2 385's are fan of blades :[

[daring imp]

LUL

[strange python]

FeelsBadMan

[primal fossil]

Is PW going to be better now with the hotfix?

[daring imp]

@willow prairie the damage should dynamically go up/down based on the buff, no? o_o

[primal fossil]

simming higher than my 370 ss

[daring imp]

what's pw?

[wheat zealot]

Poisoned wire

[daring imp]

oh

it sims higher?

[primal fossil]

Yes

[daring imp]

the heck man

[primal fossil]

IK

da fuq

[daring imp]

which ilvl is that

[gentle hornet]

is raidbots updated?

[lilac coral]

why god

[daring imp]

900?

[primal fossil]

both 370

LOL

[willow prairie]

@daring imp yeah but when i apply my rupture during elaborate planning it doesnt tick higher

[hard sonnet]

Didn't someone say sim doesn't account for vanish ss?

[primal fossil]

They did buff it to 50% crit

today

but don't think raidbots shows that yet

[lilac coral]

wonder how it compares to DD

[daring imp]

mine increases normally @willow prairie o_o

[deft pier]

Exsanguinate still the way to go in m+?

[tranquil marlin]

What are these weeks m+ affixes in NA?

I think well get the same in EU tomorrow

[wheat zealot]

Tyr, raging, necrotic

[pallid bluff]

raging necrotic tyran

[tranquil marlin]

TY!

[willow prairie]

@daring imp Ok so i should always try to reapply my garrote and rupture during elaborate planning up ?

[inner pulsar]

@lone junco I've heard a few people say they didnt like trying to work knife in using TB. It also doesnt hurt that apparently all the spec specific traits are terrible for outlaw, so DitB is good for that spec too when I play it

You aren't going to catch me with an 80k rerforge bill

[serene hinge]

rip deadshot =/

[daring imp]

no you can refresh either w/o elaborate planning @_@"

[inner pulsar]

I only press buttons with EP up

[willow prairie]

@daring imp so what is the point of trying to maintain elaborate planning up :/ if garrote and rupture dont benefit from it

[daring imp]

they benefit, that's the thing

[wheat zealot]

[willow prairie]

@daring imp

[strange python]

Hey guys is SS still buged?

[wheat zealot]

!ss

[prisma monolith]

Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

[willow prairie]

So i can refresh my dot without elaborate up, but it is better to refresh them with it

[strange python]

ohh thanks 😄

[hard sonnet]

I thought garrote isn't a finisher and doesn't apply with eb

[wheat zealot]

Ep increases all damage

[inner pulsar]

I honestly don't worry too much about EP, does that make me bad?

[muted jacinth]

what did everyone get from their chest?

[wheat zealot]

Only worry about ep during exsan/tb

[inner pulsar]

@muted jacinth Dissappointment

[daring imp]

my garrote breaks 6k+ damage nonbuffed per tick and 3x ss if i hold ep up during its ticks

if i don't have ep up ( a.k.a. using mp ), it never goes over 6k

[pallid bluff]

rupture & garrote damage definetly is dynamically updated with EP

[daring imp]

^

[willow prairie]

@hard sonnet Yeah i know, ws just wondering if it was worth applying garrote and rupture during the time elaborate planning is up

[pallid bluff]

your looking at something wrong

[lone junco]

Why would you have ss and no subterfuge. Ayy

[willow prairie]

@pallid bluff ok thanks mate

[inner pulsar]

@lone junco BEcause they didnt sim themselves

[daring imp]

@muted jacinth shitty 380 belt 😦

[pallid bluff]

only time it DOES matter is with exsang and you want to have EP up before you do it cause exsang snapshots the buffs iirc

[lone junco]

It's better to clip env. So it lands on ep. Rupture applies ep and first tick is during ep.

[strange python]

Hold on

Rupture is a finisher

right?

[daring imp]

yea

[wheat zealot]

LUL

[barren cradle]

Where is the best place to see up to date assassination builds?

talents etc?

[strange python]

Ravenholdt

[lone junco]

I wish I had my pc. I would get a great log snip.

[strange python]

@barren cradle http://www.ravenholdt.net/

[lone junco]

@barren cradle depends. What do you want to know. Then siiiimmmmmm

[warped tendon]

I just heard overwhelming power is bugged to the point of sometimes giving a negative haste value from someone in my guild

[muted jacinth]

I actually got a high mastery mid haste 385 belt. 12% upgrade

[wheat zealot]

Sounds like fake news

[lone junco]

Other class?

[inner pulsar]

@warped tendon I heard sasquatch rerolled feral

[lone junco]

I have heard of negative values. Due to desync of stuff.

[hard sonnet]

My b, thought it was for finishers only

[lone junco]

6/7 vendetta had a negative value. With shoulder.

Haste could push a cd around outside of the standard apl sync.

But probably fake news.

[warped tendon]

I’m just asking if y’all have heard anything about it or if he’s full of shit

[lone junco]

Would need to see a sample sequence of it.

[warped tendon]

He said he’s getting super long arcane blast cast times as a result

[inner pulsar]

@warped tendon Would need to see a snapshot of the negative buff, with him holding today's paper in the photo

Notarized

[lone junco]

We don't have that problem now. But imagine if haste pushed vendetta around. But vanish was fixed.

Once vendetta ended before vanish routine was over. Haste would be a loss.

[copper hawk]

Is exsang or toxic blade better for raids?

[lone junco]

Depends.

[inner pulsar]

@copper hawk

[calm grail]

What a deceptively complex answer

[inner pulsar]

If you say "I just want to know the answer....."

[lone junco]

That is the answer my law prof gives. When something is deceptively complex.

[magic zenith]

They sim within 100 dps of each other for me.

[copper hawk]

Well toxic blade is used on like 90% of rogues on most fights in uldir eventhough i checked their sims and they sim higher with exsang

[calm grail]

Simming them is great and a good start but you also have to think about their applications.

[lone junco]

Same with engineers tbh. "Is this better". Well...

[daring imp]

start with toxic blades

[copper hawk]

True data on logs more rogues use blade over exsang eventhough it sims lower so that's why I asked lol

[daring imp]

less trouble getting the hang of it

[willow prairie]

Toxic blades is easier to use

[teal bough]

What does archive of titan+10 mean in comparison to archive of titan +5? o0