assassination

[flat ocean]

^ currently bugged

[primal patio]

Yeah

-Shrouded Suffocation is currently bugged as of sept 19, If you apply 1-3 garrotes in subterfuge, and then apply another garrote outside of subterfuge, all of your garrotes lose the shrouded suffocation multiplier. The subterfuge multiplier still stays. If you apply a Shrouded Suffocation buffed garrote, ALL your active garrotes gain the SS bonus aswell.

Is the last part true???

[inland path]

yes

[weak pine]

I assume so

It's a 2-way bug

And I can see the logic in it

[primal patio]

Yeah makes sense

[faint harness]

So..

Spam a bunch of garrotes out on big packs with first stealth. vanish and get the rest

[warm parcel]

Spam - garrote has a cd

[faint harness]

not with subterfuge up

[narrow stream]

^

[primal patio]

Put 3

put the 4th outside

wait 5s

put 3 more

[narrow stream]

^

[warm parcel]

Subter ones already have ss?

[primal patio]

SS only applies from stealth

or subter

[warm parcel]

So youre only gaining one with a low dur

[primal patio]

yeah

not thst worth

that*

~12s of extra dmg

[thorny dirge]

hey guys i just wanted clarification on why we vanish the garrote at 5.4 seconds
Pull

No Shrouded Suffocation powers for Toxic Blade
Garrote
Mutilate till 4 combo points
Rupture
Vendetta
Mutilate
Toxic Blade
Mutilate if less than 4 combo points
Envenom
Mutilate till 4+ combo points
Envenom
Vanish when Garrote hits 5.4 seconds or less when talented into subterfuge

[primal patio]

i dont thinkit makes sense to do so

[warm parcel]

Whats 5.4/18

[primal patio]

let it run out

and reapply with subter

[narrow stream]

because your garrote is not buffed by Shrouded Suffocation is why

[primal patio]

2 garrotes from stealth for max duration

[warm parcel]

No

[narrow stream]

I was answering poons clarification question

[thorny dirge]

I thought only nightstalker would buff from stealth, because i dont have SS i dont really get the point of vanishing the garrote

unless im missing something

[warm parcel]

It says in the sentence

When talented into subterfuge

[thorny dirge]

oh damn i didnt know it buffed garrote from stealth, i thought it was just usage of garrote for mobs lol

i gotcha now

[weak pine]

Using talents you don't know the meaning of ?

[primal patio]

that's a paddin

[ashen lagoon]

Just theory crafting here due to the posion wire buff:
If you had 3 of those traits. Take master Assassin talent (for the increased crit)
Open whit garote 2x mutilatie(crit) that makes 5cp for a rupture
Now keep on doing garote into 2 multi...

Isnt that viable anyone expirience whit that?

[inland path]

what did u just say

[primal patio]

So
Garrote 1cp
Mutilate 5cp
finish

[atomic karma]

does anyone have a link to snake eyes build?

[primal patio]

Like that?

[ashen lagoon]

Garote gives youre next 2 mutilatie crite

[atomic karma]

mt

[weak pine]

@atomic karma Try at #outlaw

[atomic karma]

ye mb

[ashen lagoon]

So garote mutilatie mutilatie

[primal patio]

you'd be wasting cp

[warm parcel]

Welcome back @frosty robin

[primal patio]

most probable

probably*

[ashen lagoon]

No thats exactly 5cp

[warm parcel]

Assa was the choise all along

[inland path]

hes assuming 1 SS

[weak pine]

g-m-r-m-ve-tb-env?

[ashen lagoon]

No none as trait

[weak pine]

With 1 SS o

[inland path]

xd..

[primal patio]

Let's recap

2-3 poisoned wire

[weak pine]

q-r-q-ve-tb-env-m-env?

[inland path]

twan is just saying the opener with legendary shoulders

[weak pine]

Lmao

[inland path]

:LUL:

[weak pine]

[ashen lagoon]

Garote(1cp) - multi 2cp - multi 2cp =5

[inland path]

?

lol

[primal patio]

But with wire and MA you "should" crit with the mutilate

[ashen lagoon]

Yes

[devout jolt]

mut crit will give 4 cp

[primal patio]

Then 2 mutilates in a row

[inland path]

why would u mutilate twice with 100% crit

[primal patio]

yeah

Waste of CP

[ashen lagoon]

Ow yeah

[inland path]

u think mutilate gives 1 cp or wat

[supple wolf]

Twan, stop

[inland path]

lol

[ashen lagoon]

No it gives 2 standard

[inland path]

yeah?

[warm parcel]

And since when was the trait 2 mutilates and not one?

[inland path]

so why would u mutilate 2 times with 100% crit

[ashen lagoon]

Forgot it gave 5 of crit

[supple wolf]

Lmao

[inland path]

it doesnt give 5 for crit

[primal patio]

MA is 50% now

[inland path]

m8 stop trolling

[frosty robin]

i was on the sub hypetrain but now its officially dead

its a hard yikes

[supple wolf]

Twan, stop now.

[warm parcel]

Leveling my lock this week

[weak pine]

I should too

[warm parcel]

For resets to come

[ripe dock]

leveling blood dk this week

[primal patio]

heretics

[inland path]

twan thought he came up with a legit new opener and it was just the opener with legendary shoulders and he even managed to get it wrong 👍

[frosty robin]

im enjoying warrior main 😃

[devout jolt]

I'm leveling a SP D:

[frosty robin]

i played sub for fetid though

was good for small blobs with sharpened blades

no more of that, feelsbad

[inland path]

u can still play sub for zul n shit

[warm parcel]

Played bench for ghuun

[inland path]

u dont rly shadowstrike much anyway

[primal patio]

[frosty robin]

ye im still playing sub for zul, its unchanged there

[supple wolf]

@ripe dock already got my blood dk to 120

[frosty robin]

just utter trash on ST now

[inland path]

its all reverted back to emerald nightmare times almost

[harsh raven]

really? Utter trash?

[inland path]

residentsleeper spec #1

[frosty robin]

well it is, it has nothing going for it on ST

[hot flume]

So sin is the spec to go for mythic raiding ?

[harsh raven]

mythic then, I presume?

[inland path]

for most of the bosses yes

[frosty robin]

rather play shadow priest than sub rogue rn

[hot flume]

Quite annoyed to be switching specs around

[supple wolf]

Or outlul

[primal patio]

snakey eyes

[inland path]

i just did a 12 underot with a snake eye rogue

[supple wolf]

All we can do right now is make a build and be excited to switch everything next week

[primal patio]

tbh that build is just sad

[inland path]

he looked like he was having so much fu....zzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

[frosty robin]

the spec is trash with current snake eyes ilvl anyway

why bother

[inland path]

lets all use x3 FOK runes and go back to using FOK as a builder

[harsh raven]

I´ll just stop swapping specs for now untill Blizz make up their minds. Time to level an alt I guess...

[inland path]

what do u mean current snake eyes ilvl?

the rogue had 2 385 snake eyes

lol

[frosty robin]

well what a god

[primal patio]

that's dedication

[frosty robin]

thats being lucky¨

[inland path]

i have 2 385 double dose 😎

[frosty robin]

grats

[primal patio]

well fuck me and my 340s

[inland path]

still got 340 shoulders with ss

[supple wolf]

Just went outlul, then just 100% focus single Target and have good aoe.

[weak pine]

I got 385 DitB

[frosty robin]

i mean ur not wrong

[weak pine]

With OP

[shrewd night]

Whats this about outlul? I cant hear you over my one singular stat priority

[unkempt karma]

Which traits to stack as sin?

[inland path]

im actually hella bored of rogue rn, gutting every spec the second something new is found

[devout jolt]

for what CXoD?

[inland path]

gonna reroll bm hunter...........

[devout jolt]

m+ or uldie?

[hot flume]

what are the traits to go for now in sin pleae ?

[inland path]

just get w/e

that isnt shit

[unkempt karma]

M+ is ss I assume bit för ST?

[boreal spoke]

Does mutilate both crits today? Or there is a chance one crits and the other don’t?

[devout jolt]

[regal snow]

Hi Bm hunter here ..5% nerf was to hard ...pls buff me lul

[supple wolf]

Deadshot was actually fun.... Can't have that in the game

[boreal spoke]

Together*

[inland path]

for m+ just get SOB or some SS x2

[primal patio]

for ST you take DD

[frosty robin]

i hope executioners precision dreadnought becomes a thing @warm parcel

[harsh raven]

DD for ST, isnt´it?

[inland path]

then for raids get DD and an archive

[unkempt karma]

Thanks @devout jolt

[inland path]

it rly doesnt even matter that much

tbh

[unkempt karma]

@primal patio ty

[frosty robin]

"we want azerite traits to be fun and meaningful"

also blizzard

"we want azerite traits to not matter"

?

hm

ok

[primal patio]

omegalul

[inland path]

theyre making every trait equal so its kind pointless for them to have like 40 traits

imagine having 40 traits all do the same damage

like wat

[frosty robin]

makes good sense hehe

[karmic forum]

Alright boys I just saw that SB is being nerfed...now that that and SS are nerfed what is next up on the list?

[primal patio]

It's variety of particles

But in the end all of them are the same

[frosty robin]

idk pick 1 and blizzard might pick it out of spite

[inland path]

DD for st and SOB/SS for aoe/cleave

[frosty robin]

thats what it feels rn

[summer tapir]

Where did you see Azerite changes? Wowhead?

[karmic forum]

wowhead yes

[summer tapir]

cool, ty!

[inland path]

heres what will happen before bfa is over

1 trait for st and 1 t rait for aoe

st trait is called - trait of focused stabbing

aoe trait is called - trait of aoe stabstorm

ggwp

[ripe dock]

trait of unfocused stabbing for aoe

[frosty robin]

perforate buffed by 166,667´% next week, btw

[supple wolf]

It's easy to choose azerite trait. Pick a passive one that don't affect your playstyle or any ability. Then it will be in top soon enough.

[frosty robin]

ye its fine, according to blizzard, general traits are the best

feelsgoodman

[inland path]

dont get why they would even bother making so many like they didnt see some being better than others

[frosty robin]

never change azerite again

woooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[inland path]

then when one pulls ahead they nerf it in line with the others

[supple wolf]

Take, archive, Lazer and hmm Lazer?

[frosty robin]

archive, soul of theros memery, and more archive

have fun

this new system that replaced artifacts gives u 500 agi

dont u love it

u lil bitch

[supple wolf]

Weeee so much more fun than Deadshot and look at that dps

[frosty robin]

right i forgot

[inland path]

dw guys they are gonna take some traits out soon and areplace them with new ones

[primal patio]

New and interesting*

[inland path]

they are gonna take out thunderous blast since it got nerfed and replace it with fiery blast

pogchamp!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[primal patio]

™

[inland path]

or watery blast

[frosty robin]

"these 8 traits are so bad to the point of unbalancable, lets remove them and replace with 4 decent ones, and 4 equally bad ones"

[inland path]

or since its a troll raid vodoo blast

[frosty robin]

blood bolt

blood nova

[ripe dock]

I'm still salty that the new weapon enchants don't have any shiny effects

[primal patio]

blood is so 8.0

[frosty robin]

its because its like sneaky

[primal patio]

8.1 is all about gold

[frosty robin]

navigation is super sneak-ape

so no effect

nothing to do with expansion still being in beta at all

[ripe dock]

and the new pvp enchant is 🤢

[frosty robin]

mongoose all day erry day

[worldly pelican]

im getting confused guys, I need advice, I mostly just do mplus content. Is SS still the best talent for mplus? Should I still stack 3? I have a 355 and 2 340s

[frosty robin]

yes its still the best

[frank wyvern]

better that they dont have any glow then they are a ripoff from some other pve enchant like pvp one at 2.2k rating...... its like chronos from legion

[frosty robin]

but that one was rng rare

[worldly pelican]

cool, ill use them then

[frosty robin]

so its fine right?

[glacial steppe]

I usually go with 2x SS and 1x SoB even tho 3x SS is probably more burst

[worldly pelican]

sorry, what is SoB?

[summer tapir]

Hey all, if I am overcapping energy during my opener after popping vendetta am I doing something wrong? Currently going Garr > Rup > Garr > Vendetta > TB. Is my haste too high?

[glacial steppe]

Scent of Blood, giving you Agi for every Rupture

[weak pine]

Nah you're fine

That's the usual opener

[worldly pelican]

ah

[warm parcel]

At least arms got buffed for ghuun

[worldly pelican]

that sounds like a good choice

[weak pine]

TB doesn't take much energy so overcapping is kinda expected for 1s

[warm parcel]

And arms was good there already

[summer tapir]

okay. I figured I would either overcap on energy or CP during opener, so energy is more preferred. thanks!

[worldly pelican]

I wonder why it

doesnt sim well

for hectic cleave

[primal patio]

sims dont take vanish i think

[little frigate]

omg rouge ded!!

[frosty robin]

@warm parcel how so?

[primal patio]

there was some weird interaction

i think

[worldly pelican]

ah

[glacial steppe]

I dont know either. I dont even know why I'm using it. Probably because its a 355 piece and I'm literally 20k HP behind our Disc lol

[worldly pelican]

gotcha

so if that be the case, how does it fare in ST?

[warm parcel]

The 35% execute was useless already

[worldly pelican]

for Uldir?

[frosty robin]

yeah?

[warm parcel]

And other talent setup was buffed slightly

[primal patio]

ST you take dd

[frosty robin]

the whirlwind garb?

[warm parcel]

Via presicion afaik

[glacial steppe]

arms at vectis LUL

[worldly pelican]

3 stack DD?

[warm parcel]

Dno if I just misunderstood

[frosty robin]

i mean

[worldly pelican]

darn, i have to farm again

[primal patio]

2 dd and archive

for raids

[summer tapir]

reallyt? we want 0 SS?

[brisk sedge]

how do you even beat frostmage/resto a assass/disc?

[frosty robin]

not completely, but it didnt get buffed this patch

[worldly pelican]

oh

[frosty robin]

it was because gahhdo fixed the apl up

[worldly pelican]

the CP from SS is great

[summer tapir]

Yeah I figured 1 SS would be mandatory

[scenic saffron]

how do you farm dd traits ? arent they only from the dungeons ? so max is 340 right ?

[pseudo void]

!dd

[worldly pelican]

yep 340

so DD, SS, then archive

[warm parcel]

Fair enough

[glacial steppe]

im running 2x DD and 1x SS because I dont have either archive or matrix and cba to miss out on the free CP

[fallen rampart]

Guys, should exsanguinate be cast on CD?

[little frigate]

whats DD again?

[worldly pelican]

Double Dose

[summer tapir]

Double Dose

[lilac fern]

Is bloodmallet sims fucked up then?

[fallen rampart]

Or saved for vanish+garrote when vanish cd<45s?

[worldly pelican]

yeah 😦

[lilac fern]

Coz says archive stacking is bis

[fallen rampart]

Vendetta*

[worldly pelican]

yeah, that's what i was looking at

but im satisfied on my target

[primal patio]

we take archive because of the array

[worldly pelican]

1 DD, 1 SS, 1 Archive

[primal patio]

We dont need more than one

[sterile dune]

is archive still good in m+ even w/o the reorigination buff?

[worldly pelican]

i have a 355 archive, 2 ss for now

[primal patio]

m+ you try to go 3 ss

[worldly pelican]

i dont have DD

[lilac fern]

Ohwell, I'll just have to sim

[primal patio]

or 2 SS and 1 sob

[sterile dune]

sob?

[primal patio]

scent of blood

[sterile dune]

ah

[primal patio]

+agi per rupture

[sterile dune]

right

[prime pasture]

so, this week we run DD in raids

next week, DD on the chopping block?

[primal patio]

next week will be an special surprise

[static tapir]

What about blightborne Infusion?

[sterile dune]

most of my SS traits are on 330 pieces 😩

[glacial steppe]

apparently 366 an 880 rio score isnt enough to get into +10 random groups

yikes

[final lagoon]

Can someone tell me what's the optimal way to use exsanguinate? Right after you bleed everything and mobs have high hp? On cd on bosses after refreshing bleeds? Right after vanish + ss garrotes? Haven't played it yet and would like some confirmation that my assumptions are in fact correct

[elfin tiger]

[clear jacinth]

where you get the max value from it so yeah pretty much on cd with full pandemic duration bleeds up

and you should have off cd for vanish garrotes and vendetta yeah

[final lagoon]

Cheers @clear jacinth

[clear jacinth]

np

[gray shuttle]

Do they even test in real life situation? Sharpened Blades was trash now even more trash

Im losing faith in competence of blizzard

i think they are just going to bloodmallet.com and picking the top simmer and nerfing it

[frank wyvern]

😂

[onyx wind]

sharpened blades wastn trash

wtf

[regal snow]

playstyle wise it was trash imo

[weak pine]

It was nerf'd for reason

[onyx wind]

ofc

[weak pine]

true that

[onyx wind]

but they dont nerf if the playstyle is bad or good

they tune the numbers

obviously

so therefore the nerf is reasonable

[weak pine]

Except if you're feral

Then they only care about bad playstyle

[onyx wind]

I meant according to traits

But youre rigt

imo theyre gonna give the sharpened blades nerf to a lot of traits

where it has less effect the more u have

[final lagoon]

The new meta will be stacking Fan of Blades with hidden blades 😄

[weak pine]

The new meta will be

[vestal wren]

fok meme is so legion :p

[digital kindle]

Is scent of blood that bad single target? I dont find it on the list for patchwerk on bloodmallet, only on hectic add cleave

[viral aurora]

I mean, 3 scents of blood with master assassin and sharpened blades SHOULD work pretty Well. Back to foking and rupturing.
3 targets gives you around 900 agi.
Anyone tried bruh!?

[grand trail]

Btw ilvl> trait?

[ripe dock]

depends on trait and ilvl

sim it, it's the only way to be sure

[wooden island]

They shud add more azerite traits with actuall impact on gameplay

Not this passive shit

Bad design in my opinion

[wind berry]

The way they are treating rogues we probably get nerfed archive : "Rogues Archive buff reduced 69'

Or we are just getting ready for when stats go up next raid tier

[frank wyvern]

i would prefer that all traits are passive tbh (dmg, aoe dmg, stats, etc.)

[wooden island]

Really.....?

[frank wyvern]

yep

[wooden island]

How is that even fun at all

[frank wyvern]

less shit i have to worry about, better

😄

less is more!

why complicate things

[wooden island]

Ye lets just add some azerite traits no tooltip nothing just call 1 aoe

[frank wyvern]

exactly

[wooden island]

1 st 1 raid 1 pvp

[visual token]

That way you get an upgrade that’s an upgrade regardless of the traits.

[frank wyvern]

^

[visual token]

Instead of hunting traits

[wooden island]

Thats so dumb i want to barf

[visual token]

Because stacking SS is so much fun

[frank wyvern]

well im a purist, i loved vanilla rogue also

[wooden island]

......

Its bad design

[visual token]

The entire system is bad.

[frank wyvern]

azerite traits themselves arent really something insanely cool as it is

[wooden island]

And does not create active and aware gameplay

[frank wyvern]

so why overcomplicate it

if you ask me, remove the system all together

im fine with ilvl only

[wooden island]

Its not about over complicating its about adding traits that u feel change the flow u play

[wild glen]

Does anyone know how much Archive of the Titans gives atm? bloodmallet only says +5 and +10

[frank wyvern]

well, changing gameplay for each trait is exactly that - complicating

[wild glen]

Considering going with shrouded traits for now

[wooden island]

Lol

It is not

[visual token]

Why not do that with talents instead of hoping for three items to drop with the traits you need?

[wooden island]

U know what is overcomplicating

[frank wyvern]

this conversation?

[wooden island]

When u add trinkets and just say tjey proc this and that and leave out all other information

[frank wyvern]

i agree with that

[ripe dock]

the problem is the traits are underwhelming, unbalanced, and cant be targeted very much

shitty design overall

[frank wyvern]

should have all trinkets be like arcano crystal

;D

[wooden island]

This conversation is over.

[frank wyvern]

haha

if they would give us azerite items drops in m+

it would be easier to focus

[grim valley]

Guys I'm at zekvoz atm, I feel so wick with CT, idk how people are good parsing with that. Feel so easier and more useful to fok rup fok rup, than losing 5cp to CT

[frank wyvern]

but i guess raids would be like pointless then cause of no tiers anymore

only some special raid-traits

and im fine with that, we already have 3 ways to gear up, depending on how would you like to play the game

pvp/raids/m+

all giving same chance to get same ilvl gear

and its perfect

[wooden island]

Pvp giving the best gear

Which is awesome

[royal lantern]

nah, thats stupid

pvp should not give the best pve gear

[frank wyvern]

its like it should be, if you think getting 2.5k rating and gearing up while at it is easier then mythic raid - you think that

remember classic wow and grand marshal gear?

[royal lantern]

ofc pve should not give the best pvp gear too, they are too different

[frank wyvern]

you needed to play like 24h a day to get that

and it was on par with maybe like bwl/aq gear

not naxx

and required so much more time and will to do

[wooden island]

Tryan why is it stupid

[frank wyvern]

there is no difference in pvp/pve gear anymore apart from some traits or names

and that's why its not stupid

[wooden island]

Yep

[frank wyvern]

otherwise pve geared people would destroy pvp

[real mountain]

Hey guys, does masterpoisoner affect leeching poison?

[wooden island]

Im geting ilvl 375 baseline from pvp atm

[frank wyvern]

thats good

means you are good pvp-r

whats wrong with that?

its like heroic raiding

[wooden island]

I think its awesome

Yepp

[frank wyvern]

doesnt take a rocket scientist to clear hc raid

i bet getting that lvl in pvp is a bit harder

[wooden island]

No bc even i managed to pug ghuun hc

😅

And im pleb in pve

[frank wyvern]

i started to pvp in bfa last week only, cause i was bored...

raids giving me like 1 item per run and its barely an upgrade over my m+ gear

got to 1.650 only atm

but its going up

(not in a mythic raiding guild though)

[calm urchin]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[frank wyvern]

im 366 equipped atm and its still not good enough without procs, but after 1.8k CR i guess it is worth it

gotta get there first though

[wooden island]

Nice

[frank wyvern]

havent played on a gladiator level since TBC 😄

[wooden island]

I got chest from ghuun first kill never goin bk

[frank wyvern]

people evolved like 10 times since

[viscid onyx]

Sharpened Blades benefit from having multiple copies of this trait active has been reduced.

rip again?

[wooden island]

What comp u playing?

[frank wyvern]

2s with a disco

otherwise rbg-s

[wooden island]

Aa

I play rm and rmp

[frank wyvern]

nice

how does rm work in 2s?

[wooden island]

Decent im at 2.1 atm

[frank wyvern]

lol 😃 nice

shouldnt it be like 380 base after 2k?

or 2.2?

[wooden island]

No

In 3s i get 375 baseline

[devout steppe]

Is assa good at m+ ?

[wooden island]

And im 2580 rsting

[frank wyvern]

wow

[wooden island]

Rating*

[frank wyvern]

thats insane 😃

[royal lantern]

yes sin is good for m+

[frank wyvern]

playing assa in pvp i suppose?

[wooden island]

Yes

[frank wyvern]

any special builds or talents you can advise? im basicaly running my pve setup just switching over pvp talents

depends on situation

[devout steppe]

What poision should I use for m+ ?

[wooden island]

I got mp subterfuge and tb n pb

[royal lantern]

.......deadly and crippling......as always?

[wooden island]

Others i change

I somtimes go fok cs mld

Vs* if i face extremely good once

[frank wyvern]

traits? like SS or?

[royal lantern]

except for sanguine where you dont use crippling cus the slow is anyoing there

[wooden island]

2x twist 1x ss

[frank wyvern]

okay, tyvm

[wooden island]

Thats why i wanted ghuuun hc kill

Chest there is sick for pvp

[frank wyvern]

havent really checked what it has

[wooden island]

Has twist heed and lobgstrider

Op

All bis

[frank wyvern]

i only have 370 one from uldir hc with SS

and 370 shoulders from world boss

head is still 340

twist that good for pvp eh

never paid any attention to it

[wooden island]

Its very nice for bursting with tb

Ye

[ripe comet]

ja tb stronger for pvp Burst then exsang?

[little frigate]

got a 370 chest with ss and one with laser matrix

[wooden island]

Yes

[ripe comet]

Thanks, til

[strong breach]

IF ss GOT NERFED BY 40% WHATS THE BEST TRAIT TO GET NOW?

[wooden island]

In raids?

[strong breach]

yeh

[frank wyvern]

double dose is pretty strong

[ripe comet]

SS die m+ , uldir shit + 2xDD or Uldir / SS / Whatever

[frank wyvern]

other then that uldir traits

[wooden island]

I think the best combo is 1x archive 1x ss and 1x dd

I might be wrong

[strong breach]

alright cheers

[royal lantern]

it is pretty much

[ripe comet]

i like blight a little more then 1 de because of all the adds in the Fight in uldir , gut basically just equip highest ilvl now as 3th slot

[royal lantern]

blightborn infusion itself is quite good, but the proc chance it a bit too low imo, sometimes only have 2procs on 1 raidfight

[unique trellis]

as an sin what weapon ech iput in?

[royal lantern]

1 deadly 1 quick

[hallow kraken]

What do you guys think about SS after 8.1? Seems like now its getting a ~50% nerf. Its quite early to speculate but I just wonder if it still would be dope to take 1.

[elder cypress]

@wooden island how are you about twist of knife in arena?

[royal lantern]

trait is still ok, just not the best trait for everything anymore

[unique trellis]

hmm why deadly?

when i sim my stat wights Agi Haste Mastery Crit Vers

[daring imp]

which talents

m+?

[royal lantern]

idk your statweights lol, just told you the too-go setup

[wooden island]

Sable i think its very very good for comps like rmp with tb where u need the on demand burst

But i alwayd run 1x ss for the cp in opener

Its just too good

[remote oak]

Blightborne infusion simming top for me 😬 What happened?!

[fickle tide]

After testing I can say hands down toxic blade beats exsanguite

Ho-ly shit

[elder cypress]

i run atm 1 ss 1 dd 1 uldir

but dont really feel like its best 😄

@wooden island

[daring imp]

@fickle tide depends on traits, stat weights, other talents ...

[wooden island]

Yeh uldir traits are not that good in arena dd is only for sustain dmg

U want burst as assa already got good sustain dmg

[elder cypress]

ok so 2x tok 1xss?

[wooden island]

Yeh

[elder cypress]

ok thanks

i will try today

[fickle tide]

At least for mine I prefer the burst

[wooden island]

Good luck 😁

[hollow cloud]

whats ToK?

[lone junco]

I have bags of unused azerite triats. Maybe I'll have some twist in there.

[elder cypress]

i have all twist items

never wanted them until now 😄

but need to replace 370 uldir to 340 is annoying af

[wooden island]

Yeee

Im so glad i got ghuun chest with ToK

Took like 40 wipes with random pugs

[buoyant ember]

How is it two weeks in a row our top azerite traits are nerfed and mages, locks get flat damage increases across the board?!?!?!

[hallow kraken]

Is ToK that good in pvp? Btw ilvl doesnt matter in pvp right?

[proud tusk]

So for M+, should i aim for 1 SS and 2 SoB?

[frank wyvern]

isnt it like TtK not ToK? 😄

[lone junco]

Translation.

[dusky tinsel]

ilvl matters in pvp, just less of an impact than pve.

[frank wyvern]

i have only 340 pieces with Twist

wondering if i should use them over 370 with uldir trats

in pvp

[wooden island]

Yeh there is some weird scaling in pvp

[frank wyvern]

gonna lose tons of hp tho

like 15k

[dusky tinsel]

was playing with some friends who don't ever do arenas and versed a group that had like 90-100k HP per person, they got facerolled. Gear matters more than it did in Legion.

[lone junco]

I haven't done any pvp yet. Did hundreds of matches in wod. Legion was a cold no.

[wooden island]

Yes gear matters but not like wotlk or cata

There is some kinda scaling going on

[dusky tinsel]

the one thing I liked about WoD pvp was the set bonuses and being able to pick the pieces you need, hate that Blizz has strayed from it

[lone junco]

This rogue was made for an pmr in Bc actually. Is why I'm still undead lol.

[frank wyvern]

which they never explained in details

[hallow kraken]

So gear matters and 3 of 16 slots can only come from bullshit luck once a week or from PvE

What is that kind of logic?

[wooden island]

Yeah gaap, they have a weird habbit latly of just not givong information

[dusky tinsel]

PvE players struggle with the RNG of good azerite traits too, not like you can just sit there and farm it in M+

[lone junco]

Blizzard.™

[wooden island]

Like array stacking buff

[frank wyvern]

can you get azerite items from doing pvp? like random at the end of runs

[wooden island]

Trinket prpc rates

[frank wyvern]

or only weekly chest

[wooden island]

Etc....

[wheat vigil]

The same as the logic behind ignoring bad traits and just making good ones bad too

[royal lantern]

azerite traits are the same stuff like raid sets

[hallow kraken]

Too get good gear for pvp you need to do pve. Bilzurd ze smal indie c0mpany

[lone junco]

If they don't tell you the values of something. They can nerf it without notes.

[royal lantern]

and, remember that you had 1 chance per week too get them?

[daring imp]

who else can barely wait for the 380 wf cape from today's chest?? MEEEEEEEEEEEE 🐢

[lone junco]

They doubled the size of the GC circle after the first week

No notes.

[royal lantern]

idk why people cry about azerite when tier sets where the same shit with only 1 chance lol

[hallow kraken]

I still got head and shoulders 340 ilvl so im hoping for 385 head

[frank wyvern]

same, hoping for head

using 340 one

and im almost 370 equipped

but probably gonna keep on hoping 😄

[wooden island]

Do we know more about release of next raid tier

And 8.1

[hallow kraken]

Hype need to do r-aids for pvp Poggers

[frank wyvern]

good thing is i get 2 weekly crates (pvp and pve) so i can get double veiled crystals

[floral pawn]

Holy shit. Tyran has to be a troll

[dapper moat]

@daring imp wait what warfront 380 cape? 😂

[hallow kraken]

2 weekly chest but 3 azerite pieces. :(

Hate that they silently removed the 1-3 item for the m+ chest

[daring imp]

lul

i can feel getting the same item as last week

[hallow kraken]

I had a 390 and got 380 last week

So hype veiled crystal this week

[daring imp]

https://www.wowhead.com/news=287431/azerite-trait-tuning-for-dps-and-class-buffs-for-september-25th

uh

what???????

[lone junco]

I wouldn't mind the same item. But another GC isn't that exciting.

[daring imp]

(Assassination, Subtlety) Sharpened Blades: damage reduced by 30% (unchanged in PvP). The benefit of having multiple copies of this trait active is reduced.

[lone junco]

Fucked your knife bruh.

[daring imp]

noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[buoyant ember]

Thats what I was talking about Ongbank. 3rd week in a effing row were reitemizing...

[hallow kraken]

Yay finally arcane get their +3% dmg buff

Kappa

[lone junco]

DR

[buoyant ember]

Yeah and locks get a flat increase too

Wtf

[daring imp]

fml

now to use DD instead of sb

[wooden island]

Time to reroll mage

[lone junco]

Demo was flat garbage.

[wooden island]

Leggo bois

[lone junco]

I'm still 2ss

[hallow kraken]

#BetaForAzeroth

[wooden island]

Full release coming with 8.1

[hallow kraken]

8.2.5

[daring imp]

damn

[buoyant ember]

Oh cool, DH get buffs also

[daring imp]

sub got hit too

[lone junco]

Knife never seemed too strong in pve. Was that just a sin nerf? Or was it op in pvp?

[daring imp]

(Subtlety) Blade In The Shadows: damage reduced by 25%.

[wooden island]

Loooooool

[lone junco]

That's big.

[wooden island]

Now rogue only has 1 good raid spec?

[hallow kraken]

8.3.5 comes the new update to levling: xp is going to be removed now it will just require you to spend time ingame

[daring imp]

knife is decent in pve if you had decent parts ( i had 385 and 340 and it hit like 70k+ on crits, easily ~10% of my dmg on any raid encounter )

[wooden island]

Rng outlaw

Fml...

[lone junco]

I wonder if they have a nerf guy that just floats around herodamage and nerfs anything better than archive

[daring imp]

nah sin still good, sub too 'cuz most of top logs aren't even touching bits i guess

they too preoccupied in using high ilvl pieces

[lone junco]

No way i raid outlaw. Rolled 5x. One time and got fucking ptsd.

[buoyant ember]

Hahahahaha

[daring imp]

lul

[lone junco]

Tb/3 ugh.

Wait for lust till i have shark!

[daring imp]

(Subtlety) The First Dance: Now grants 2 stacks of the Critical Strike bonus when activated. Critical Strike bonus reduced by 25%.

huh

[royal lantern]

no blind hate too a new system= im a troll

got it

[lone junco]

Aethys commented on each in tc.

[daring imp]

oh lemme see

[wooden island]

Lool

[royal lantern]

is it perfect? no, but some people cry like its the worst thing too EVER happen, and azerite traits killed their cat too

[wooden island]

Sin is not thst good for uldir atm tbh

[daring imp]

oh well

?? why not

[wooden island]

For a pure dps class we sure got mediocre dps now

Well idk yet tbh we'll see how it plays out

[daring imp]

we're still top 10 on mythic

[cyan stump]

^^

[wooden island]

Dung or raid?

[daring imp]

i'm talking raiding

[cyan stump]

dungeon

[wooden island]

Lol

Ok

[daring imp]

and we're definitelyl GREAT on dgs

[lone junco]

M+ god rn.

[wooden island]

Yeah

[daring imp]

^

[royal lantern]

sin is 1 of the best melee dps classes atm lol

[hallow kraken]

Sin cant even be compared to arms

[daring imp]

tho if you check boss dmg on mythic you'll see we're only behind aff locks

[wooden island]

In raid???

[lone junco]

Melee. No buff. Bring a warlock.

[wooden island]

U joking right xd?

[royal lantern]

1 of the best<---------------->the best

[wooden island]

By one of the bestuæ u mean

Better then dk*

[daring imp]

there's aoe padding classes and there's more single target classes

[wooden island]

As ww and arms just dumpster on us

Litteraly

[mellow pier]

Basically the top 3 melee u want is arms/dh/dk then all ranged

Either warlock bm or balance

[wooden island]

N dh

[lone junco]

Raid buff nerd.

[wooden island]

Dh arms ww does way more

Feelsbad

[mellow pier]

U need raid buff

for ur warlocks

Duh

[wooden island]

Funny thing is none of those melee classes r pure dps classes

Now are they?

[daring imp]

jesus would you chill the fuck out please

[mellow pier]

We had the melee dmg taken buff

But thats covered by double brm

Now

[lone junco]

Cherry picked stack.

[wooden island]

What sims r those for?

[lone junco]

Now find one with sin top 3

[mellow pier]

@daring imp if ur in a good guild and bring a rogue to last 2 bosses

Ur handicapping urself

[lone junco]

Prob

[daring imp]

warcraftlogs, last 1 week, mythic

[mellow pier]

Fact

[hollow cloud]

Assa is fine on Mythrax

🤔

[mellow pier]

Why would u tho

[hollow cloud]

On ghuun tho

[mellow pier]

U want as little melee as possible

[hollow cloud]

[daring imp]

@mellow pier thought that was with any melee

[small island]

fragnance was blasting on ghuul

[hollow cloud]

Doesnt make it good

[royal lantern]

cus not everyone wants too play bm huntard, i want actuall gameplay lul

[hollow cloud]

but yeh

[mellow pier]

@daring imp u still need dh and arms

[lone junco]

I ran around dotting eyes like an idiot. With scent.

[daring imp]

arms what for?

[mellow pier]

Buff

[hollow cloud]

Execute

[wooden island]

But tje problem is if rogue does do good enough dmg

[mellow pier]

Raid buff

[lone junco]

Warlock gods.

[mellow pier]

Rally

[wooden island]

There is no reason t bring a rogue at all

[daring imp]

ok dh/arms really have their place

[lone junco]

Yeah. We know this.

[hollow cloud]

you literally only bring arms warr for execute iirc (ghuun)- but could be wrong¨

[mellow pier]

I mean we have zul

[wooden island]

Unlike warrior which has tank spec

[mellow pier]

But lul

[daring imp]

can we talk about zul tho

[lone junco]

Dh arms monk.

[wooden island]

Monk has all 3

[mellow pier]

Monk is brought on ghuun

[royal lantern]

prot warrior in 2k18 lul

[daring imp]

just skip every other class and bring only rouges

[mellow pier]

For burst and solo

[wild zodiac]

Hello

[wooden island]

Yepp

[daring imp]

forget even tanks if you wish

just rouges

[wild zodiac]

Has everyone calmed down and forgotten last week yet?

[hollow cloud]

Evasion tanking

[dusky tinsel]

rotate all your rogues for evasion tank

yep, ez

[lone junco]

New nerfs. So we aren't mad about last week anymore.

[daring imp]

tricks new taunt

[hollow cloud]

imagine bringing 10 sub rogues to zul

[dusky tinsel]

2 tanks are just taking up rogue slots

[hollow cloud]

[mellow pier]

Tbh im suprised they didnt nerf double dose or ss again

LUL

[wooden island]

Im rerolling mage atm

👌

[lone junco]

Like this?

[mellow pier]

u only need 1 of them

In raid

[wild crown]

dang that looks nice

[mellow pier]

For buff

[lone junco]

Zuuullll

[mellow pier]

@lone junco sabers name is in there

[royal lantern]

how2internet hivemind: if your class is not top3=its dead, why play it at all

[daring imp]

no, seriously, we might not be the best in utility, but boss-damage-wise, we're definitely great, the issue of not bringing any melee ( aside from the two buffy bois ) is just that it gets insanely easier with less melees

[royal lantern]

understood

[lone junco]

And seli.

[mellow pier]

[daring imp]

tho it's g'huun, they can stack aff locks ...

[mellow pier]

Boss dmg wise

We are behind sv hunter

🤔

[dusky tinsel]

sv = bm hunter with polearm

[daring imp]

what graphs are you looking

wth

[mellow pier]

I dont look at graphs

[daring imp]

well you should

[mellow pier]

They are pointless

[lone junco]

Sv hunter was top last time I saw it.

[mellow pier]

Half of good guilds dont log

[daring imp]

they represent a more accurate more or less correct "how big is my deeps"

[mellow pier]

U realize this right

[dusky tinsel]

false, they private log

[mellow pier]

Private yeah

They arent public

[daring imp]

i do realize, but even so, the data won't be THAT skewed to make up 6 points in dps charts

[mellow pier]

Fetid

🤔

[daring imp]

one of the "bring less melees than anything" bosses?

[mellow pier]

So what are u refering to?

[daring imp]

sv is still behind on fetid tho

[mellow pier]

How is it behind? Lol

[hollow cloud]

only 10k parse diffrence

[daring imp]

no, mb, was checking wrong scores

[hollow cloud]

imagined it would've been higher tbh

[daring imp]

now FETID is a good representation of a boss with too few parses logged

[mellow pier]

...

..............

[lone junco]

7 mythic sv logged?

[daring imp]

come on

[royal lantern]

can we stop bitching about other classes and complain about the true enemy now?

DRUIDS

[mellow pier]

Warriors?

[daring imp]

lul

why droods

[mellow pier]

Duhhhh bladestorm.... Im top dps

[hollow cloud]

fuck ferals, amirite

SMH

[mellow pier]

As they drool on their keyboard

[daring imp]

^ lul

[mellow pier]

Feral actually does more st than assassin too

[dusky tinsel]

so does ours

[lone junco]

25k. Dead.

[mellow pier]

I tricks our warrior

On purpose

[royal lantern]

nah, druid players always cry when their specs are not top 5

[lone junco]

Me: "hit evasion next time"

[dusky tinsel]

waste of tricks, he'll pull aggro on his own

[dry trail]

how come the guide says mutilate til 4+ cps, last time we used elaborateit was 3+ so we can maximize the uptime, what changed

[daring imp]

enveloping what

[lone junco]

Finishers is 4/5

[hollow cloud]

Feral does more than assa on ST?

[royal lantern]

´´oh my god, guardian druid is not the best m+ tank with dk anymore, BLIZZ WHEN DO I GET BUFFS AND CAN AFK TANK AGAIN´´

[dry trail]

elaborate

[daring imp]

oh

well mostly because back then we had such a higher crit that it was more or less worth it to pop it with 3cps

you mean back in EN?

[dry trail]

ye

[daring imp]

yea, that should be it

with such a higher crit we'd overcap cp too easy

now that isn't such an issue anymore, even with 30% crit you'd still have a bit of a hard time capping it with 2 mutis frequently enough

[dry trail]

I just thought EP uptime was more important

gues I was wrong

[rich magnet]

I am excited about poison wire buff, hope its good, might make one of my higher ilvl azerites useful

[daring imp]

it is somewhat important during empowered garrote

tho i just do normal rotation

rip sharpened blades 🐢

[echo hound]

Are the trait changes live on US (dont seem to be on EU until tomorrow) and are raidbots etc. updated anyone know?

[daring imp]

no clue but i'd say nah

[buoyant ember]

In regards to toxic blade if it is up and I mutilate twice and have 5 combo points do I over cap and use toxic blade or do I wait for a 4 point combo to put it in the rotation?

[echo hound]

Seems simcraft is atleast

Sub dropped 8 spots since yesterday

[sinful lotus]

Hello everyone, was MIA yesterday and today so I apologize if you've all been talking about this and are sick of it but I just saw the nerfs/buffs. When do they go live? Today in US, tomorrow EU?

Assassination
Poisoned Wire critical strike increased by 50%.
Sharpened Blades benefit from having multiple copies of this trait active has been reduced.
Outlaw
Brigand's Blitz haste increased by 50%.
Subtlety
Blade in the Shadows damage reduced by 25%.
Sharpened Blades damage reduced by 30% (unchanged in PvP). The benefit of having multiple copies of this trait active is reduced.
The First Dance now grants 2 stacks of the buff, and critical strike bonus reduced by 25%.

[daring imp]

no clue, probably like how you said

those look like one of those changes that needs realm restart

[sinful lotus]

And i assume they're not updated on herodmg or Bloodmallet?

[dark token]

they are going live at weekly restart aka as we speak

[daring imp]

if sb is still on top they're not updated yet @_@"

[dark token]

the fixes are in simc, you can do a manual build

herodmg probably this afternoon

raidbots around the same time or the latest, this night

[sinful lotus]

Interesting, predictions on if poisoned wire may grab a top spot?

[dark token]

there are manual overrides you can do of spelldata too

check tc updates channel for theorycrafter thoughts

[daring imp]

unlikely tho, it would need a too big of a buff to be comparable to the top ones @_@"

[sinful lotus]

Taken from Aethys in the TC Updates: "- Poisoned Wire: To be seen but do not expect it to crush everything."

[dark token]

i stand corrected blade in the shadows was not updated on github

[daring imp]

bye old friend

well hello hello

[north crane]

is herodamage updated with the changes?

[daring imp]

nah, just admiring sb still on top before they update it 😦

[oblique kindle]

Poisoned wire is great change for assa in pvp - extra combo points are always welcome. I have one question - poisoned wire stacking always 2 times after garrote?

[wheat zealot]

They really destroyed sb lmao

[sinful lotus]

Uldir traits still king though right?

[daring imp]

1 of it, yes, pickle

the subsequent ones drop in value because RA doesn't stack with more pieces

[rich magnet]

370 azerite poison wire post buff

[daring imp]

ewwww

[sinful lotus]

@daring imp Alright cool, still unlucky and don't have a single Uldir traits 😦 still rocking 2 DD and 1 SoB

[pearl fulcrum]

Are engineering goggles actually good? I see that their swimming high but I wasn’t sure if they’re actually that strong

Simming*

[hollow cloud]

yes

not worth going for though

[sinful badger]

1 x SB 1x archive 1x SS is the way to go

[hollow cloud]

why not 2x Archive

or 3x Archive

[daring imp]

stacking archive 🐢

[hollow cloud]

I mean they do stack

2x Archive + SS sims highest for me

out of current gear

[rich magnet]

I have no archive or lm 😦

[sinful badger]

It really@should be pinned that sims are broken with archive

[daring imp]

that's 'cuz your highest pieces are likely those

[sinful badger]

It assumes you get 2x the array buff

Which you don’t

[daring imp]

i don't think they do that, sifi @_@"

[hollow cloud]

🤔

Never knew they did that

[sinful badger]

Pretty sure it does

[daring imp]

there's literally a line of code saying the RA stacks you have

not tied to gear

[frank wyvern]

no sims dont double the array stuff

are you crazy

but archive buff does stack

[daring imp]

^

[tranquil pivot]

Can someone tell me why we use with 1x SS 1 Garrote and then Rupture in our opener? I mean thats only 3 CP's...

[quaint bobcat]

Pandemic the rup

[placid ermine]

Do we really still use 1 SS ?

[daring imp]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xac5HPe_-CgXJo4yUiv_LJldqLu5WjPjUq9d0wRqmIg/edit#gid=0

[ember ermine]

I have 1x SS 1x Archive 1x Laser

[royal lantern]

drop 1 raid trait for now?

i mean, they get better when you reach 5+ stacks, but taking 2 right now seems a bit...pointless?

[ember ermine]

Well I run x3 SS in M+ i run the others in Raid

[hollow flicker]

is it better to cc infested mob or kill it first while cleaving everything else?

[ember ermine]

CC Infested

[prime pasture]

the others will heal even if you cleave them

[ember ermine]

kill them last

[royal lantern]

deepens on the add group imo

[late bison]

Would've been nice if they fixed SS with all of these changes, I guess I was hoping for too much.

[hollow flicker]

weve been ccing, some people in my grps have said you need to just kill it fast to make time...didnt make too much sense to me as everything else just heals

[royal lantern]

tbf, the heal is not THAT big, if you have a monk you can just pull all and when the infested worms come use ring of peace and kill them

like i said, deepens on the add group with the infested enemy

[brisk sedge]

is it worth using a 3cp env just to keep the envenom buff going? or should i always use envenom at 4-5cp even if it means that i'll lose some uptime on Envenom buff?

[vale scroll]

well the guide says at 4 or 5 so there you have your answer

[royal lantern]

using envenom with only 3 cp means the envenom buff is only 4 sec too

[brisk sedge]

cheers

[knotty dew]

but the EP buff will be full duration regardless though

[placid elbow]

@ember ermine , i had 1xSS, 1xLaser, 1xArchive and swapped Archive for another SS, my DPS has gone up considerably lol. I'd rather rely on constant and consistent damage than something that builds up. That and Uldir's Array buff, get that from Laser now anyways.

[wooden island]

I ran +10 temple this week and we just zerged the mobs with cc tbh

Its not really that overhwelming the healing

As ele dh assa and dudu tank hmw monk

[ember ermine]

@placid elbow sims still says ss, laser, archive > 2x archive 1x laser

[magic zenith]

when do I pop galecallers? I finally got one. 375 ;D

[lone junco]

Noob gets all my pings.

[magic zenith]

kappa

[wild stone]

I know Shrouded Suffocation has been nerfed and sims low, but 2 other rogues in my guild said it's still pretty good and that the sims don't reflect using vanish to garrote again. Are there any cases where we should be using Shrouded Suffocation still? in M+ or Raids?

[lone junco]

GC before exang.

[tulip willow]

rip people who went sharpened blades

[lone junco]

It's not like relics. No loss but gold.

Relic nerfs destroyed gear.

[magic zenith]

It's not gonna line up with every exang though

[lone junco]

Exang is 45 sec. GC is 1 min.

[magic zenith]

So hold exsang for it or no?

[lone junco]

The apl holds until after the 2:20 alignment.

But boss mechanics let it resync.

Like waves of vectis.

If you want to see it in action. Check out Tyrarolls. Mythic parses.

[molten cosmos]

Btw mutilate is not that much lot of the dps of the assa rogue

all are on DoT

[lone junco]

yes.

[vestal abyss]

what?

[lone junco]

but you need mut crits to make cps for env/ep uptimes.

[molten cosmos]

Garrote x3 still very good imo

[hard sonnet]

@wild stone I use 3 empowered garrotes for every trash pull in m+ and will be top aoe unless warrior bladestorms

[molten cosmos]

Most of your dps is melee, rupture and garrote

[hard sonnet]

But I have 3x ss

[molten cosmos]

Why would you care of the 6th or 7th source of your dps?

[lone junco]

what are you on about?

[vestal abyss]

Why not?

[lone junco]

the Mut crit trait?

[molten cosmos]

yeah or double dose

[lone junco]

Mut crit is for cp gen

cps are for EP and Env uptimes.

it is not about mut damage.

never was with the Balanced Blade relic in legion

[molten cosmos]

I don't think it is worth enough even with the up imo

[lone junco]

I had 75% mut crit in legion. 100% crit on argus.

[molten cosmos]

Yeah

But legion is not BfA boi

[lone junco]

boi? get the fuck out of here.

[molten cosmos]

Wut xD

[hard sonnet]

Lol

[vestal abyss]

DONT DISREPECJEF

[wheat zealot]

Bb was never that great

It was all about x3 mass x3 malch

[lone junco]

depends.

[vestal abyss]

Ur a srs guy no?

no jokes for u

is import

[lone junco]

no

[vestal venture]

what is the correct opener when playing with exsang?

[vestal abyss]

Lul

[lone junco]

@wheat zealot at the end, there were a EP builds with insig and very high crit. 55 crit 115 mastery ish.

relics were dumb to destroy, or i would have played a number of different builds.

[wheat zealot]

Yeah i tried alacrity builds out, they were decent

Never changed my relics for it tho

[lone junco]

but "why do we care about mut damage" was the real q. we dont.

[wheat zealot]

Its all about the QoL of getting 4 CPs off mutilate 50% of the time

Feelsamazingman

[wild stone]

@hard sonnet thanks!

[wheat zealot]

Can chain ep for days

[undone cairn]

Getting 4 CP from mutilate is just a feelsgoodman

Everytime

Never gets old

[tranquil pivot]

Better than sex.