assassination

[daring imp]

depends on your tank's balls

[lone junco]

Our pulls are closer to 20s than not. So 6t 20s no buffs.

We do lots of small pulls.

[hollow stone]

Yeah, it def depends on your group

[lone junco]

But I gear for 40s. Due to goals.

[daring imp]

20s pulls? this week? @_@"

[hollow stone]

Probably lol

Maybe not w all the tank kiting... hmm

[meager knoll]

normal apl noobe?

[dapper compass]

hey

[lone junco]

I mean. It doesn't do ggg Ct.

[tropic rover]

Awesome, thanks guys! If I'm rocking SS and CT should I always be using exsang? I know the Sims don't really account for SS

[lone junco]

So whatever that's works.

[hollow stone]

Crip poison gon be the real hero this week

[meager knoll]

alright, but it's still a good measurement I suppose

[dapper compass]

is there is there any difference between which weapon goes to what hand?

[lone junco]

Basically. If you are over 3t. Crit mastery is god. Due to FOK and tabbed ruptures.

[daring imp]

strongest one on main hand @dapper compass

[lone junco]

St. Haste is god.

[dapper compass]

stuff like better ilvl for mh and speciffic enchant like quick navigation for mh

[lone junco]

So gl balancing that. Or pick one and be better.

[dapper compass]

while other for oh

or just no matter?

[daring imp]

well i keep switching the enchants based on which dagger i switch out

[hollow stone]

Enchants dont matter which hand they are on

[lone junco]

Any sims that tell you to use SB in m+ are silly. That still makes me lol.

[meager knoll]

even on tyrannical weeks?

[dapper compass]

lets say i have deadly navigation which icy veins for example say for mh and then got better dagger so i flip it over to oh

[waxen condor]

They are nerfing sub and outlaw in 8.1 I think it's a 5% nerf

[dapper compass]

then im getting like quick navigation onto mh and thats all?

[daring imp]

@dapper compass that's pretty much what i do, yeah

[meager knoll]

gonna be interesting to see if they keep the SB buff that was in the latest 8.1 ptr notes

[dapper compass]

great

[hollow stone]

No? Based on ptr notes, sub and outlul are both getting buffed

[dapper compass]

one more thing about aoe rotation

[keen hound]

As was said, it does not matter which enchant is on which dagger.

[dapper compass]

it looks like assa doing wonders in m+ according to wcl

[meager knoll]

@lone junco what's your IGN? curious to see your gear

[sweet sedge]

so how long until champions is account wide? im loving my rogue so much but regrinding champions is a pain

[dapper compass]

how the hell you keep up with like 3 mobs with rupture and garotte?

[hollow stone]

8.1

[waxen condor]

8.1 they unlock it account wide for rep

[dapper compass]

like when you have whole bunch of trash

[gritty solstice]

When facing a 6 mob pack you throw 6 garrotes t oeverythign with vanish but when do u pop vendetta?

[dapper compass]

is there any good trick for it?

[sweet sedge]

oh ok so i need to do the rep grind then... 8.1 too long to wait for my rogue to be gimped

[daring imp]

nameplates debuff and constant tabbing the fuck out lul

[keen hound]

Just dot everything

[waxen condor]

More dots

[daring imp]

dps very slowly

but throw even more dots

[dapper compass]

i think that WILL BE FUCKING 50 DKP MINUS

[stray patrol]

when do you use crimson tempest?

do you put up dots first?

[lone junco]

@meager knoll I'm like 349 ish. Not sure what spec I logged as. NA thrall Nooberog

[daring imp]

garrote garrote garrote ct with 3x SS

[sweet sedge]

i started using crimson tempest then applying rupture... but i could be wrong...

[lone junco]

Mmm

[daring imp]

then fok rupture all the mobs

oy

[meager knoll]

alright, thanks tho noobe 😃

[daring imp]

the dmg aura outlaw/sub have is being reduced on ptr @lone junco

[meager knoll]

dmg aura? wut

[daring imp]

well that raw dmg increase they put in form of an "aura"

[pure sparrow]

haven't all of those ptr changes already happened?

[daring imp]

no clue, that's why i'm asking @_@"

if this means the current one they have will be nerfed

OR

[waxen condor]

Not yet

[daring imp]

if their dmg will go up by 13%

compared to now

[gentle rapids]

is it normal that using gale caller first while in stealth doesn't trigger subterfuge?

[pure sparrow]

i doubt that

it seems logically that their damage wont go up by 13%

[daring imp]

i agree

[pure sparrow]

after they were nerfed by 5% earlier this patch

and if they do we riot

[waxen condor]

Get ready to riot lol

[daring imp]

double riot it is then o_o'

unless that's already accounting the 5% nerf

[waxen condor]

Yea they are nerfing sub and outlaw in 8.1

[royal lantern]

REEEEEEEEEEE other classes/spec's get buffs REEEEEEEEEEE

[pure sparrow]

i assume thats an extra nerf

an added 2%

to the 5% that already exists

[daring imp]

well if the 5% was overall ( from 128% ) it pretty much matches the 5% nerf

[waxen condor]

I think all rogue specs will be mid damage as far as dps classes go

[daring imp]

fuck blizzaard

WUT

[meager knoll]

is the gray number the current one?

[waxen condor]

Yea the gray is the current

[meager knoll]

because if so, that's a crazy buff coming in 8.1

if it stays that way

[daring imp]

the grey one should be the previous, the green one the new one

[north terrace]

Lol so much for not having a "best" trait if that goes through

[pure sparrow]

previous could mean launch of bfa though

[meager knoll]

yes yes, but I meant more like, previous as in the one currently live

[pure sparrow]

since a lot of those ptr things are just tooltip updates

[daring imp]

@pure sparrow yea that's what i don't know for sure Ç_Ç

[lone junco]

Goooddd Dammmit

I don't want to play SB

[daring imp]

lul

[lone junco]

Only value is to throw at an add.

[pure sparrow]

they're just priming us to a ranged rogue spec

[lone junco]

Hooray.

[pure sparrow]

np

[meager knoll]

I liked deadshot though, and I guess this might be some resemblance to it

why isn't it valuable to throw on the main target?

[lone junco]

It ramps up during GC pretty quickly. And at least the timing scales with haste.

It is. But so are other things.

[spare fog]

what kind of configuration does HD use for its m+ sims?

[daring imp]

m+ sims are nuts

[wheat zealot]

M+ sims on herodamage dont account for restealths

[lone junco]

I look at synergys. There is nothing that likes knife. Env time trait 👌. Dd 👍. Rupture agi 👌.

Knife throw? Stand alone.

[daring imp]

well it applies poisons ... :X

[lone junco]

Ma vendetta vanish knife on ep is all it gets.

Does it buff that one DP application by 300%?

[daring imp]

if the damage was nature we'd be able to do so ...

[wheat zealot]

Cant have everything we want, can we?

[daring imp]

tho it's decent for raiding, i'm always at 9~10% dmg with it at the end of a fight

with 2 sb only

went as high as 14% percent on a pug h zek voz this week

[lone junco]

Yeah. But it is not the synergy we want.

[daring imp]

god that really crit a lot

[lone junco]

I want 75% Mut crit traits.

[daring imp]

what are we gonna do with 10 stacks RA

[hollow stone]

Moar haste. All the hastes

[daring imp]

moar sbs

:X

100% haste puts us in .9 swing timers?

[hollow stone]

Moar haste moar sb moar deeps

[pure sparrow]

my haste is so low i get crit from RA 😃

[hollow stone]

Yea it would lol

[daring imp]

lul

gc kaboom + lust + 10 stacks RA

[hollow stone]

You can cheese that, @pure sparrow

Unless they hotfixed it after thursday

[pure sparrow]

really?

[daring imp]

a tank dropped a 385 with socket on a 10 yesterday

oh god if only i was that lucky

[gleaming geyser]

thats boner stuff

[hollow stone]

Zone into instance w your uldir raid piece equipped, remove gear til haste is your highest stat, zone in. You'll get haste array, re-equip your gear, profit

[daring imp]

ooooooh

[meager knoll]

looking forward to see what they'll do with the azerite traits in 8.1.. really don't like this system

[pure sparrow]

now thats thinking

[gleaming geyser]

does it reset on death @hollow stone

[lone junco]

@daring imp when I was a 75% haste. I think garrote ticks were 1.4s maybe.

[gleaming geyser]

or as long as you're within the instance

[daring imp]

@meager knoll congratulations fam you will have new azerite traits to pick :X

[hollow stone]

As long as youre in the instance, it stays

[gleaming geyser]

Gotcha, i'll give it a go tonight, thanks fam

[meager knoll]

yeah well @daring imp , what I meant was, I don't like that the only way to get, for example SB on a 355+ piece is to get it in the weekly chest. so 1 chance every week to maybe get azerite gear, and maaaaybe get the right trait

so RNG based, and I don't like it.

[daring imp]

yeah high azerite gear is a pain

[hollow stone]

Its ok. By the last raid tier we'll be able to pick our own traits, only need to wait like 2 yrs

[daring imp]

it might be worth it to push pvp rating to get the azerite gear it will give in a few weeks

[rain breach]

3 envenom in one TB phase is the target we should go for - so its atleast all about crit

[daring imp]

atleast you can pick out of two

[hollow stone]

You should aim for 2 env in your tb window; 3 is gravy

[daring imp]

3x twist is great with tb

[rain breach]

but this is an end target

[tame stratus]

you getting 3 with vendetta buff?

[meager knoll]

yeah I have 1600+ in arena, so I can get 370 gear from that.. but that's still only two pieces every week... and with my luck it's probably gonna be a belt or wrists more than I'd like

[daring imp]

lul

[tame stratus]

or do you pool energy for it

[rain breach]

you need high crit for sealfat than it should work. i always pool energy for TB if i can

atr best 4 cp and neearly full energy than TB an go hard 😉

[hollow stone]

Can prob fit 3 consistently next tier but atm thats tough to do

Maybe youre just a crit god thi

Tho

[tame stratus]

feels like stars need to align for 3

[rain breach]

yeah thats why crit helps much with sealfate extra CP for crit

[tame stratus]

how much crit do you have 20+?

[hollow stone]

Well yeah... but you need haste too

[lone junco]

Which trait would be best at 50% Mut crit?

That's the one I want to be best.

[daring imp]

sb

lul

[rain breach]

i have 21 crit 18 haste 29 mastery atm. but like tom get 25% or more crit

-m

[daring imp]

that would be what, 30ish% crit?

[rain breach]

30% would be grat but think you need mythic raid gear for it

great

in vanilla you needed 27/28% crit for a working sealfate build

maybe it is the same here

or if you good, sim it 😉

[daring imp]

nah mate i wanna my 40% crit back lul

fok many cps per cast

so good

[rain breach]

more crit more CP more envenom - less energy need

an crit is great Single and Multi

[daring imp]

how broken we would have been if we had this bleed haste thing since the beginning of time

[royal lantern]

why do they nerf the dark iron racial again

too much world first alliance guilds?

[rain breach]

like the fearward in vanilla

[hollow stone]

Haste still sims better for st than crit most of the time

[rain breach]

or pala op things

[royal lantern]

that was fkin 14 years ago

[rain breach]

yeah but apple you mostly have to do both

so crit is overall good

[hollow stone]

Yea. Crit is our 2nd best secondary

[royal lantern]

crit is under mastery for me right now

[hollow stone]

For most people

THANKS TYRAN FOR MAKING ME LOOK DUMB

[daring imp]

lul

[royal lantern]

what?

[daring imp]

which trinkets/traits, tryan?

[royal lantern]

24%crit baseline, blightborn infusion

thats why

[hollow stone]

Right as im saying crit is our 2nd best you swoop in and say mast is your 2nd :p

[rain breach]

crit/master > haste

overall

[royal lantern]

vers>everything

[hollow stone]

Not for st

Ew vers. Gross. Go back to outlaw 😵

[rain breach]

vers is only good for pvp

i have 1% vers

[daring imp]

oy 2x sb does this to me

[rain breach]

its akk beased on your gear

[hollow stone]

Oh no, vers is comin for ya

[rain breach]

all

[daring imp]

lul

[rain breach]

you have over 30% mastery?

[daring imp]

nah like 27%

[rain breach]

k

[daring imp]

.5% vers lul

[rain breach]

whatever i didn'tz like SB 😉

[daring imp]

why not it's so coool

big crits

that legion dfa sub feeling

[young meteor]

SB?

[hollow stone]

I wish i had better sb pieces to give it a real try. My 340s aint cuttin it

[royal lantern]

i love the 1.5sec cast time spirit link totem got on the ptr

[fierce torrent]

u dont even need vers for pvp

[royal lantern]

cus fk shamans, why do they still play the game

[fierce torrent]

haste mastery is the way to go

[tame stratus]

was earthlink meant to be the best secondary trait or something? not sure im getting this nerf

[hollow stone]

Earthlink is really good on some specs. Sin is not on of those specs

[daring imp]

lul

[tame stratus]

thanks

[hollow stone]

Basically any spec with a primary boost. Like frost dk, for example

[tame stratus]

ah i see

[hollow stone]

Its decent for sub too. But pretty sure op still simmin best for sub

[drifting elbow]

im using earthlink for consistent dmg buffs instead of heed my call random dmg each packs

[signal sonnet]

Message when I joined this server said that I can find guides in #resources-and-faq

Don't see anything with that title - does anybody have a good resource for rotations ? Checked pins and nothing there (apologies if this is the wrong place to ask)

[tight meteor]

pins

lol

[drifting elbow]

......

[tight meteor]

it literally says sin bfa guide here

at the top too

[drifting elbow]

when it says guides and there is one guide named channel

[hollow stone]

Np @signal sonnet click on pins and follow the link to ravenholdt. You can also google: ravenholdt sin guide bfa

[signal sonnet]

I'm on my mobile, which might be why I can't see it

[vestal wren]

!guide 😉

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/

[hollow stone]

Youll find good starting info there

[signal sonnet]

Thanks

[tight meteor]

discord mobile is pretty bad lmao

[stray patrol]

If specced into crimson tempest, you use it when theres only 1 Target up anyway?

[vestal wren]

you can use !pin to send yourself the pins

[signal sonnet]

!pin

[hollow stone]

I think mobile is pretty good, considering how terrible mobile ports usually are lol

Never ct on 1 target

[vestal wren]

its decent, the pins are in the hamburger menue if you want to access them on mobile else the bot command exists

[stray patrol]

Thx

[wheat zealot]

@stray patrol i think thats covered in the guide

[safe canopy]

hmm assas aoe wont be as good in 8.1 probably with another SS nerf

Shrouded Suffocation Garrote cast from Stealth generates 2 additional Combo Points and deals 73 additional damage. 39 additional damage.

[strange python]

no

[gleaming kelp]

its not

[strange python]

this is already in the game

[safe canopy]

this is in the 8.1 notes

on mmochamp

[strange python]

This is already in the game

There's no more nerfs

At least for now

[safe canopy]

also on the 8.1 ptr assas in untouched. outlaw and sub getting a nerf

[vestal wren]

check the pins

chris

[safe canopy]

oooo

gotcha thank

[lament bramble]

so is it current meta to always do exsang/CT for m+

[cobalt flint]

Anyone get this bug that the game sometimes says fuck you and you don’t get the subterfuge bonus after vanishing?

Doesnt happen very often but happened a few times already

[vestal wren]

did you bind a trinket to vanish?

[cobalt flint]

I have a focus sap macro on it for pvp, might be that I used that forgot to change it after pvping

Could that be it?

[vestal wren]

trinket can set you out of stealth

[tame stratus]

using a trinket while in stealth fucks subterfuge ive found

[cobalt flint]

Ah, not that then

[tame stratus]

have done it a few times trying to pre vendetta in pvp with trinket use macrod in

[cobalt flint]

Did not know that though, maybe I used trinket at the same time without noticing, I’ll keep an eye on it, thanks

[haughty flame]

man

im so torn between outlaw and sin

[compact sinew]

Chaps, opinions on PB/CrimTemp in atal +9 onwards?

Feel like CT should have enough value this week with teeming but eh

[gleaming geyser]

I usually end up running PB for boss because my group usually has huge aoe like frost mage

but teeming fortified would be the best case scenario for CT

we CC a lot for infested so we do burts of small/med groups instead of big AoE groups

feel like CT really shines 4+

[strange python]

yup

[ebon garden]

Time to relearn my raid opener because i got to replace my last SS trait

[gleaming geyser]

its not too disheartening, just feels bad when you dont get a single SoF proc on opener

[cerulean walrus]

So if you replace all of your SS traits is Subt even worth it anymore?

[gleaming geyser]

MA gets better in value for pure ST

[rain brook]

Noob assa question, how does FoK generate CP?

[gleaming geyser]

1 CP, +1 for each crit on each target

[cerulean walrus]

Its basically scuffed Shuriken Storm

[rain brook]

im new to rogue in general and coming from classes with 1 dps spec, its ultra hard to make spec choice for me 😛

is SS still mandatory trait?

[cerulean walrus]

Welcome to the best class in the game man

[strange python]

Well

SS is very good on m+

I still run 3 traits

[gleaming geyser]

yea, 2+ SS is definitly the best for M+

archive is really good for M+ since you keep your stacks inbetween pulls

[rain brook]

too bad i have 0

some double dose stuff

eh

[ebon garden]

got the fetid chest

feelsgoodman

[gleaming geyser]

double dose is allright for pure ST, but its not good for M+ since you cast that many more FoK

[rain brook]

should i use envenom in AoE situation at all

[gleaming geyser]

if you're not using CT yea

[rain brook]

or just FoK/garrote/rupture all day

[gleaming geyser]

envenom is ur CP filler after you have 3-4 ruptures up, depending on mob hp

[cerulean walrus]

TFW Sharpened Blades removes Poisoned Knife's meme status

[gleaming geyser]

member that PK with NS bug in Antorus?

[cerulean walrus]

I member

[rain brook]

aand last question, does energy generation from venoumos wound bleeds stack? i mean garrote and rupture, do i generate twice more when both are applied or it just needs to be one of these two

[cerulean walrus]

Yes

[gleaming geyser]

yea, twice from x amount of mobs

[cerulean walrus]

That's why you need as close to 100% uptime on all of your bleeds as possible

[lone junco]

My phone remembers.

[gleaming geyser]

NSDP monkaS

[nimble tartan]

anyone else simming like 150 higher as TB but still playing exsang 🤔

[rain brook]

feels hard as fuk to track those double bleeds on bigger pulls, as tab targetting keeps dancing between already bleeding targets

any pro tip?

[cerulean walrus]

You got WAs?

[gleaming geyser]

good nameplate addon for easier tracking, and WAs as Fereran mentioned

[cerulean walrus]

Hell even HeroDamage tracks targets when you have AoE tracking on

If you're down with using a rotation addon omegalul

[gleaming geyser]

rotation helper on a dot class

[rain brook]

im just with elvui

[vestal wren]

aethysortation is nice

herorotation*

[cerulean walrus]

HeroRotation now*

Yeah

That's the one I meant

[gleaming geyser]

I would disable elvui nameplates and go with KUI or Platter

[ripe nimbus]

Rotation helpers lul

[gleaming geyser]

and config those

[cerulean walrus]

Exactly @ripe nimbus

[rain brook]

i kinda see those bleeds above nameplates but its easy to get lost with like 4 poison/bleed options with multiple plates stacked on each other 😛

[vestal wren]

i dont like plater :/

[gleaming geyser]

yea I personally use KUI+Spellconfig

[cerulean walrus]

I recommend Luxthos's Rogue WAs

[gleaming geyser]

its very clean

[ripe nimbus]

Threat plates is what I use u can just make ur bleeds the only debuff to show and make them bigger

Ez life

[lilac coral]

having some kind of grid for AOE pulls would be killer but i don't think the addon api supports that

[hollow stone]

I use tidy plates instead of elvui plates. Same type of thing

[cerulean walrus]

Lux's WAs track EP, Subt Empowered Garrotes, Ruptures, all your utilities (lul what's utility?)

Yeah its nice AF

And super clean

[hollow stone]

Yesterday people were talking about wa and other addons for multi dot tracking. Good luck scrolling to that tho :/

[vestal wren]

enemygrit is nice to keep track of your dots

[cerulean walrus]

https://wago.io/HJe5_pfNm

[vestal wren]

tho it has restrictions (not clickable f.ex.)

[cerulean walrus]

He has the link to all of his other stuff within the description

[vestal wren]

https://wow.curseforge.com/projects/enemy-grid

[cerulean walrus]

There are 6 or so packages you need to import

[gleaming geyser]

https://pastebin.com/xncDcQrh

if you just want a how many ruptures up at a time

[hollow stone]

Can you import my package? @cerulean walrus 🔥

[gleaming geyser]

with no timer

[vestal wren]

what is s and v?

[gleaming geyser]

S is subt V is vendetta

[cerulean walrus]

You know it @hollow stone 😉

[tulip pine]

Nice thing about Luxthos auras is, that he has similar ones for all classes. no need to readjust on your alts! :3

[cerulean walrus]

Yep

And they all fit the same structure so your UI can stay the same

[proven crescent]

I read the faq, and under CD's it says use TB on cd, but what about Exsanguinate?

[hollow stone]

Save every other xsang to line up w vend/van

[cerulean walrus]

If you use Sang on CD you'll want to die

[hollow stone]

So exsang on vend/van pull, exsang without vend, exsang w vend/van.. and so on

[proven crescent]

cheers, thanks

[hollow stone]

Think of it as a 1 min cd

[tulip pine]

have dots running, for using exsang 😂

[cerulean walrus]

Dude I just Exang as my opener

[gleaming geyser]

good advice

[cerulean walrus]

Forget those bleeds, they're overrated

[gleaming geyser]

[lone junco]

@hollow stone that's def how I want to play it. 1min overlap with GC. 2min with vendetta vanish GC.

[tulip pine]

it is in the place of TB.. so it has to be used like TB, right?

[lone junco]

Exang on cd makes my brain hurt.

[cerulean walrus]

Start in stealth> Pop Trix on the healer>Exang

[gleaming geyser]

Pog

[cerulean walrus]

You win the darwin award

[tulip pine]

brain on CD makes my exsang hurt :C

[hollow stone]

Overrated 🤗

[lone junco]

I tricks the ww monk to make sure that his karma is pumping.

[gleaming geyser]

and hopefully they die

[lone junco]

They can Rez him after.

[ripe nimbus]

Is exsang even good with ss nerf it's constantly simming less then tb by about 300-400 dps

[weak socket]

If I don't exsang on CD then I might miss an Exsang. Take that evolutionists.

[cerulean walrus]

I trix the other rogue so he doesn't beat me in DPS and make me feel bad

[proven crescent]

I know it's silly, but for new ppl it wouldn't hurt to include it in CD tab in guide. (pair with vendetta that is)

[lone junco]

Yeah. Just hit him with a bop at about 5 sec in.

[slim sand]

I always trix the rabbit, personally.

[daring imp]

i trick myself into not dyinig

[cerulean walrus]

Silly Trix, Rabbit are for wait?

[gleaming geyser]

i always get bop'd on CD

[weak socket]

I pay the healers to keep me alive and let the other rogue die.

[rain brook]

vendetta is like most boring dps cd ever

[hollow stone]

I miss the days of trixing the other rogue in return for their trix. That sweet sweet dps

[cerulean walrus]

Indeed

[daring imp]

joke i actually bind my tricks with about 6 or 7 low cd toys

[lone junco]

I do loot so I get extra heals. I'm in a better mood when I don't die.

[daring imp]

and every other keybind that won't hurt stealth

[gleaming geyser]

Vendetta felt really good out of GCD

[rain brook]

simple 30% dmg increase against selected target, wohoo

[gleaming geyser]

on GCD it feels lame

[lone junco]

Tricks and toys is funny.

[cerulean walrus]

Vendetta is bomb AF boi

[lost niche]

https://puu.sh/BAik7/7266f9df37.png

oof

[gleaming geyser]

OOF

[lone junco]

Vend is fine but the vanish is shitty.

[rain brook]

doesnt DH have something similar?

[daring imp]

/cast Poisoned Knife
/use Robo-Gnomebulator
/use Odd Polished Stone
/use Ruthers' Harness
/use Accursed Tome of the Sargerei
/use Black Ice
/use Moroes' Famous Polish

[cerulean walrus]

DH literally has one CD right? Meta?

[rain brook]

isnt nemesis like a minute long vendetta?

[ripe nimbus]

Vendetta most boring dps cooldown ever when ur playing the class that has Adrenaline rush the worst CD in the game

Cool story

[slim olive]

yikes

[slim sand]

Yikes

[rain brook]

adrenaline rush makes your rotation faster at least

[lone junco]

At least AR is a self buff not a debuff

[hollow stone]

Dh has mini cds too similar to tb and exsang for us

[rain brook]

you feel something

[hollow stone]

If they talent for it

[lone junco]

🍆

[visual token]

I feel nothing

[daring imp]

gcb with fel barrage

[lone junco]

You'll feel alright.

[ripe nimbus]

Makes ur rotation faster??? Ur gcd capped at 1 second.. it does nothing to make it faster

[slim olive]

Blizz took my feels

[rain brook]

Increases damage you inflict against the target by 20% for 1 min. DH talent better than our big cd 😮

[gleaming geyser]

Blizz took my life

[visual token]

A heckin minute?

[weak socket]

F

[visual token]

Wha

[cerulean walrus]

TFW the GCD went in as a response for PvP and just screwed PvE. TFW SS got nerfed because of PvP and just screwed PvE. Who even PvPs anymore?

[hollow stone]

If you want super low gcd play frost mage and stack haste, pop warp n veins, have .8 gcd, feel good but do bad

[slim olive]

TFW Back to back weekly nerfs

[gleaming geyser]

TFW still performing well

[slim olive]

well

not amazing 😦

[ripe nimbus]

Wut

[gleaming geyser]

?????????????????????????????

[rain brook]

assassination dodged nerfs didnt it?

just SS nerf

[slim olive]

We wanna be OP right???

[cerulean walrus]

SS nerf WAS the sin nerf

[gleaming geyser]

no, nerf us more so FOTM move to something like warlock

[cerulean walrus]

That trait literally made us lmao

[gleaming geyser]

[slim olive]

😮

[rain brook]

well you could get 5% reduction to everything like other two specs AND trait nerfs

[ripe nimbus]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JAj9VBLwXgb28qFD#fight=28

[daring imp]

^

[ripe nimbus]

Lul

[slim sand]

Yeah the SS nerf made me actually have to try!

[daring imp]

"just SS nerf" wth bro

5% overall nerf would be like scratching SS

[golden mulch]

SS nerf seli still 45k on single target LUL

[cerulean walrus]

They smashed SS with a 40% reduction lmao

[golden mulch]

https://clips.twitch.tv/PatientCourteousChickenKAPOW

[cerulean walrus]

5% ain't got shit on that

[lone junco]

75% Mut crit made sin good in legion. Pls let me do that again. Thx.

[rain brook]

well if spec relied so hard on one trait that nerfing it alone is hard nerfing class something was turbo wrong anyways

[slim olive]

yup

[rain brook]

isnt sin still fine tho?

[ripe nimbus]

Yes lol

[cerulean walrus]

Yes its fine, but not fine in my heart

[slim olive]

yeah

[hollow stone]

We prefer the term "reblanced"

[gleaming geyser]

rogue is fine as fuck

[cerulean walrus]

Feelsbadman

[gleaming geyser]

people overexaggerate

[hollow stone]

Spelled correctly, of course

[golden mulch]

yeah just watch the clip i posted that was after nerf!

[rain brook]

well outlaw got both 5% dmg decrease AND nerf to his core trait deadshot

[golden mulch]

45k ST

[rain brook]

could be worse peeps 😛

[cerulean walrus]

Watch as they nerf rogues to the bottom of the charts. "Rogues are OPOPOPOP Nerf NAOW"

[hollow stone]

And outlaw still performs insanely well, especially in m+

[cerulean walrus]

tfw Outlaw still sims higher than the other two

[hollow stone]

Rebalanced

[cerulean walrus]

🤔

[rain brook]

outlaw sims higher pure ST than other two?

[daring imp]

fucking smootch fuck what is that 40k st burst

[lone junco]

Ok. Imma jump on the sharp knife train soon. Just need to see it scale with some trinket or something.

[slim sand]

I'd play Outlaw again but I don't like the Snake Eyes build too much

[cerulean walrus]

🐍 👀

[hollow stone]

Outlaw is lowest sim on st but highest dps variance so it "can" be better on st but it can also be much worse if unlucky

You can still play ds or ace as outlaw, you dont have to go snek build

[ripe nimbus]

U can still play 2 archive 1 laser and not play any of those

[hollow stone]

There ya go

Snek be gone

[lone junco]

@daring imp Since knife is pure st. Are you still running GC and fathoms?

[daring imp]

yeah

[strange python]

yo if I do my normal rotation

[daring imp]

for raid*

[strange python]

And im about to pop my 2nd vanish

Do I use vendetta before vanish or after?

[slim sand]

Ah I heard it was all Snake Eyes now

That's good to hear

[hollow stone]

Depends on your traits n talents @strange python

[strange python]

Archive & 2ss

[hollow stone]

Exsang or tb?

[strange python]

exs

[hollow stone]

Youre safe to vend a bit earlier then. Just make sure your exsang window is within the vend

[ripe nimbus]

Sim it lol

[strange python]

sim what

[hollow stone]

Fully within it

[strange python]

Its a rotation question

Alright apple

Thank ye

[ripe nimbus]

U can see ur optimal rotation with a sim

[hollow stone]

You can also do that. Sim and look at the apl

[cerulean walrus]

So on Bloodmallet it shows Archive +10 as the best azerite trait. How do the stacks work? Is it just the stacks of the effect?

[daring imp]

each week, you kill 3 bosses, you get 1 stack

like a hidden quest

[cerulean walrus]

Oh okay

[daring imp]

it's always good to have atleast 1 trait with RA on raiding gear

the other two you can compare which are better under those +5 +10 stacks part

[cerulean walrus]

Oh okay

Thanks dude

[clever tartan]

Anyone know the difference in pvp chest ilvl based on rating?

[daring imp]

https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20768687293 this?

[clever tartan]

Yes thank you

[daring imp]

not trying to be a dick but i literally copypasta'ed google the "pvp chest ilvl based on rating" and found it @_@"

[clever tartan]

Yea did the same after i typed it

[hazy sphinx]

What a dick

[daring imp]

lul

[cerulean walrus]

FeelsDickMa-That doesn't sound right dude

Just forget I said that

[hollow stone]

Lol. Make sure you look up the updates from this week for pvp chest too. You cant just win 1 arena game for your chest any more 😦

My alts are sad panda

[lone junco]

Where my sharp knife bros at? Anyone going 2x rn?

[hollow stone]

^ @daring imp

[lone junco]

Gotta prep for that green text buff.

[hollow stone]

Pretty sure ong is

We should prob ping him until he answers

[lone junco]

Ptr value of +80% or what not.

[hollow stone]

I think exeo is too

[lone junco]

I just gotta feel the mojo. Maybe a dice trinket

[hollow stone]

Can ping em both at the same time imo

[lone junco]

It's fine. Just wondering if they have some secret synergy that we can abuse later.

23-25sec peaks for knife is too short for a use.

Might just be another haste build

For faster stack rate.

[hollow stone]

Afaik (no personal testing) use it at 29 stacks. But idk if there's a "save for 5 sec if van is coming up and running ma" type of thing or not

[lone junco]

I've used it a few times. Stacks run up pretty quickly.

Esp in open.

[hollow stone]

Yea. Im sure it stacks real good w lust n gcb

[lone junco]

Ep. Ma. Tb. With 2sharp knife.

3cp vanish tb env knife. Or something similar.

[hollow stone]

Knife before env if your tb luck is awful even with ma up.. it happens :/

They need to make ma 100%. Going from shoulders to ma just feels sad

2 sec less and half the crit?!

[lone junco]

Yeah. Ma was awk.

[hollow stone]

But we need to know about the between cd knives

[lone junco]

Tb env knife
Or
Tb knife env.

Depending on Crit rounds.

[hollow stone]

Yeeee

[lone junco]

3cp tb env knife is prob best.

[hollow stone]

Well, hang on. We need a maths expert in here...

[lone junco]

Neg

[hollow stone]

2cp into tb and knife should guarantee that one of them crits

With 30% crit

Or more

And ma

[lone junco]

No. But 3cp will guarantee a 4 or 5cp env.

[hollow jolt]

hey guys what stat order you go for zek'voz mythic if you go for aoe specc? feels fucking bad with crit>mastery

[hollow stone]

80% on each mathematically means 1 will crit with a high chance of both critting

I like our first choices more. But its possible 2cp into tb and knife then env is better w 30% or more crit

And if thats the case you would van knife tb env

M zek i just do my st shit w ct. if your group is failing on adds dying, you should consider going outlaw :/

[copper hawk]

At how many mobs is it worth it to spam TB with points rather than spread rupture? Or is it never better?

[hollow stone]

Spam ct you mean?

[copper hawk]

Yes lol

[pulsar goblet]

You still want to get a few bleeds out for the energy regen before you do that

[lone junco]

I rupture the elites. With 2fok worth of cps.

Ggg Ct. FOK FOK rupture. Each. Then refresh Ct.

If tiny pack. Would env instead.

I do not rupture non elite trash.

If the apl ever used gggct. I would mess with early refresh and get a mob count for env over Ct

[desert pelican]

feel like im lose portion of my dps through last days -- aoe feel good as always, but st so meh with 3 ss --

[lone junco]

In legion. There was an absolute gain of Ct at < 9 sec. better than current <2 and better than <11

[hollow flicker]

so for m+, i currently have 3 SS pieces, sims say thats best but both hero dmg and bloodmallet have archive so much higher...any thoughts?

[lone junco]

They are wrong.

Grats.

Until the trash open includes 3 garrotes. It is marginally useful to me and anyone using 3ss.

[strange python]

SS is still op in m+

[lone junco]

Not op imo. Currently good or great.

If we are using feely words.

[prisma river]

Hey guys, im struggling between choosing Exsang or Toxic blade, currently at ~18% haste - any suggestions

[strange python]

Yes

Sim

[hollow flicker]

thats what i was thinking, but i was concerned because those sites were so off..good to see im not crazy

[lone junco]

@hollow flicker to compare other classes. Traits. Specs. I guess a 6min M+ Variant is fine.

But having 3t in range at subterfuge contact is required if you are to to sim SS.

And forced restealth every pull.

Any tank that doesn't let me restealth. I will yell once. Then hearth second.

[hollow flicker]

oh i had a "discussion" with our disc priest who said its a dps loss if we dont chain pull

[arctic isle]

people who dont understand rogue restealth or sub rogue aoe is my ultimate trigger

[lone junco]

i would say the GGG open is well beyond legion sin shoulder bombs

every single pull. over and over and over.

maybe not as good as a sub dfa. but praying for a bomb proc, vs the 3g

neat

[signal sonnet]

god my dps is so shit, feel like i must be doing something wrong

[lone junco]

probably

[signal sonnet]

but my rotation is exactly as per the guides.

[lone junco]

post a log

[signal sonnet]

don't have a log, fresh alt - just on a dummy

[hidden citrus]

recommend crimson tempest or PB in m+ this week?

[strange python]

ct

[hidden citrus]

didnt do m+ as assa yet

[valid gull]

im simming ~lk lower as assassinatin compared to outlaw

[signal sonnet]

in a boss fight its pretty awful because i lose my rotation easily - but on a dummy its pretty upsetting to see 9-10k : /

[valid gull]

is that normal

[hazy granite]

@arctic isle nice fucking name rofl

[lone junco]

@signal sonnet raid buffs are worth a lot. like 2k maybe.

[hollow stone]

I know im late to this one now. But i did some feelycraft this weekend (had a doc w m+ overall since i run w the same 4 other people). My 340 ss was about equal to my 370 archive. Hope this helps

[lone junco]

@split dock I play both. with SS Sin is >> when my group pulls 3-5 mobs. for me. i feel.

even in the fattest trash pull ever, CT is good enough to keep up.

[random skiff]

which site do you guys find more reliable, hero damage or bloodmallet? their informations is pretty different as far as sin rogues go.

[weak socket]

If you take CT, you don't use it on ST bosses, yeah? It's only for multi-target?

[hollow stone]

Never ct in st

I find blood mallet more useful in a general sense. But the most useful is simming yo self

[strange python]

Yeah bloodmallet and herodamage give general idea

[lone junco]

@hollow stone tbh, i want to see a sim for g r g vendetta mut rupture /gc vanish ggct exang.

prob a fat loss.

but havent seen enough output on CT in St with exang and gc.

[hollow stone]

Yea. Its possible that ct in your vend exsang window is ok. But idk

My only ehhh is the gcds

[lone junco]

g r g gc vendetta mut rupture mut mut ct exang.

[hollow stone]

I found my gcds were soooo important when runnig exaang

[lone junco]

prob.

easy answer tho. vendetta CT value. vs a vendetta env.

[hollow stone]

Yeah. For sure

[lone junco]

full duration of ct +hit. vs 1 env.

if we are talking 10 vs 18-30k

[hollow stone]

You would also need to account for the couple extra seconds lost on g and r because of the extra gcds to get your ct up pre exs

Not lost lost, but you get what i mean

[lone junco]

ish. yeah

[hollow stone]

Yea

[thin ingot]

guys anyone has a shroud weak aura that counts the timer in chat?

ive seen it a couple of times

[lone junco]

mizerok wa has it.

[thin ingot]

but no luck in google

[lone junco]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[thin ingot]

let me cheeeeeck

[hollow stone]

You can just steal that part of his wa package too if you want

[tulip wedge]

after using almost all WAs from that group Mizerok's kicks ass

[strange python]

mizerok's is legit

[burnt lagoon]

!ss

[prisma monolith]

Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

[lone junco]

lol rip.

[tulip wedge]

copying his into outlaw atm

[random skiff]

this is the one i use

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekoJoy1drmI&t=

[lone junco]

LOL zul

[hollow stone]

Lol. Is that fo reelz @lone junco or just making a point?

[lone junco]

mythic zul? real

zero sin logs.

[hollow stone]

Goin for #1 this week then

😉

Sub is overrated 🙃

[nimble tartan]

???

[lone junco]

20k dps on heroic zul with ct work. is a nice log.

[nimble tartan]

m zul if you arent playin sub u r WRONG

[hollow stone]

Ik 😦

Its just that melee arcane mage is so zzz

[strange python]

did someone say arcane explosion

[lone junco]

this dmg profile tho

[meager knoll]

hmm? lvling arcane mage right now, what do you mean?

[lone junco]

40k peaks with 20k avg in trash.

wowzers

[hollow stone]

Ahaha. That must be my zul h kill

I cheesed so hard last week

[hollow stone]

Damn chinese out cheesing me

😃

Ong. I saw you typing. Noobe has questions about sb

Gogo

[daring imp]

@thin ingot https://wago.io/search/Type:+WeakAura+shroud+of+concealment

oh

lul

fire them

just left a 8 kings rest

dammit people just don't want to do it i guess

healer taking axes left and right on 3rd boss

[lone junco]

did you find that the trinket profile changes substantially with sharp knife

the 22-25sec stack time seeems to be better with a fat dice. or something constant.

[daring imp]

i don't have that many trinkets, but gc/fathoms simmed higher not mattering the combo

[lone junco]

Im planning for the 250% knife day.

gotta embrace

[daring imp]

lul

lemme recheck with gc/dice

[lone junco]

if that means i stack 22% verse, then fine

[daring imp]

i think that's the only combo i didn't sim

[lone junco]

or 0 crit 30% haste for stack rates

I like to look at absurds. and then aim for them. cause stat weights (as we all know) are based on your current profile, not what you could be using.

[tulip wedge]

we sub on M zul to generate points off adds and funnel into boss?

sub*

on zul

[daring imp]

the 0crit i think it's too much of a downside even if we'd have such a high haste

[lone junco]

was a joke.

[daring imp]

lul

haste is too good for sb

but crit is just as stupidly good

[lone junco]

I love the 3d plots 30crit 50haste 10v 10m etc.

[daring imp]

on pull, you can time the vanish>tv>env>knife on the last 4s of vendetta and not lose almost anything at all because there will be high stacks for it

[nimble tartan]

sub is worth like 3 dps'ers on m zul its nutty

[daring imp]

if it crits it puts me nearing 25k deeps

that w/o lust

and takes a god damn while to fall because it keeps stacking so fast

gcb still the best, having every vendetta can make sure you can almost everytime cast two high stacked ones inside it

[lone junco]

@nimble tartan saw seli/saber with 7 or 9 sub rogues.

[daring imp]

i probably should be trying the 370 plumage i have too for it

[strange python]

in m+ is it worth using ct on bosses or just use envenom?

single target bosses that is

[daring imp]

envenom

[solid nova]

CT on ST 🙅

[lucid sequoia]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[fleet geode]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[strange python]

!ss

[prisma monolith]

Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

[tall radish]

How does ass perform in island exps? going to lvl from 111-120, and wonder what talents to use?

[sharp schooner]

you prolly shouldn't do that

[scenic nacelle]

SS getting buried in the dirt with 8.1

Shrouded Suffocation Garrote cast from Stealth generates 2 additional Combo Points and deals 73 additional damage. 39 additional damage.

[arctic isle]

its pretty shit if u dont have buddies to carry you if you go 110-120 in island expeditions

zero flight paths and no gear

[lone junco]

@tawny jewel Can you help me with a custom routine? 6Target. 40sec patchwerk equivalent. No raid buffs. 3 tabbed garrotes then a Ct. I don't really care what it does after that. Using 3 SS traits. I would run a gearing strat. And check trinkets for that routine specifically.

[quasi ledge]

It's just a tooltip update from the nerf it just got, Noony

[scenic nacelle]

ah ok do it's already live

so*

[meager knoll]

yeah the SS nerf is live

and afaik the bug isn't fixed

[arctic isle]

maybe they dont want to have 6 buffed garrotes

[proven ice]

you mean 4?

[arctic isle]

are 4 and 6 beside each other

[proven ice]

I don't think they implemented a bug to nerf us artificially.

[scenic nacelle]

could only fit at least 4 in that 3s window

[quasi ledge]

But you can get 6 buffed Garrotes using Vanish. The point is you "overwrite" your buffed Garrotes by playing the way it should be

[arctic isle]

do u think they intended ss to be super op before nerf?

they probably dont want to have ss being that strong

so fuck the bug

[meager knoll]

but only 3 are possible with one stealth, 6 with vanish

[quasi ledge]

No, thats why they nerfed it? :p

They don't intend for things to be broken, hence they hotfix. They don't make bugs or just decide not to fix them to balance

[frank furnace]

Anyone having a problem with herodamage atm? white screen

[quasi ledge]

Works for me

[hollow stone]

You guys excited for the last minute trait hotfixes tomorrow? I cannot wait to join whichever disc gets nerfed

[frank furnace]

Actually feels so bad that mythic taloc trinket sims worse than fathoms

[hollow stone]

Hopefully disc disc

[lusty drift]

last minute fix? pls save us

[hollow stone]

I got a 390 w a socket and its like 5 dps more than fathoms... its ridiculous

[meager knoll]

got a link to the hotfix? not sure where to look

[frank furnace]

that's so depressing

[undone cairn]

yikes

[frank furnace]

hopefully they buff it

[hollow stone]

No. Im just commenting on the fact that they did last minute trait changes and said more were coming ominously

[royal lantern]

all raid trinkets are pretty bad right now

[arctic isle]

more coming as in next reset

[royal lantern]

same for healer/tank

[arctic isle]

they are doing traits weekl

[undone cairn]

i wonder if they're going to do more last minute trait changes tonight

[frank furnace]

I imagine they will make changes - they cant have all raid trinkets perform garbage

[hollow stone]

Probably, thats what i was commenting about

[undone cairn]

are they going to touch on rogues this time again?

im feeling like its going to be other classes

[hollow stone]

Honestly, the trinkets wont get touched. Theyre too focused on traits

[royal lantern]

why touch a ded class 🤔

[hollow stone]

I think we're safe from this round of trait hotfixes

[undone cairn]

we should see some buffs 😡

[hollow stone]

Tune in next week to see how we change

[undone cairn]

for some of the shittier traits

[royal lantern]

nah, if they buff rogue the outcry will be gigantic

[arctic isle]

they should just launch the expansion and never patch or hotfix anything

am i right guys

[royal lantern]

so many people hate the class, idk why, salty that they get ganked i imagine

[hollow stone]

I would too but honestly, our traits across all 3 specs are pretty good compared to some other specs out there

[undone cairn]

f for shadow priest

[somber egret]

Wouldn’t mind seeing some of the inner ring triats buffed more than outside triats at this point

[hollow stone]

Its because playing rogue is always "a safe choice"

So even if one spec is poop, we got 2 more

The just jel haters

They*

[arctic isle]

i mean any trait changes for us will literally be buffing our shit traits

so its going to be meaningless

[hollow stone]

Agreed

I just want then to nerf a bis trait for a class so i can lurk the rage in their disc. It fuels me

[lone junco]

I want that mut after garrote to be effectively 100% crit. thx.

[arctic isle]

i want interactive traits. thx.

[somber egret]

I want legos and a million dollars but hey🤷‍♂️

[lone junco]

seli representing.

[hollow stone]

Right? The fricken guy 2 chests a 16

Gtfo

[somber egret]

Wow almost 2 min faster

[lone junco]

So when we talk about SS in M+. and what it looks like. he is the prophet. tbh.

[hollow stone]

Every @ him, quick

Everyone..

This is why my ign is a secret..

[lone junco]

are you on that list?

and your epic cheese Zul

[hollow stone]

No sir

[lone junco]

My kid is a super fan of Apple Juice. so that's cool

[hollow stone]

Thats good, its a good juice. Very refreshing.

[north leaf]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[lone junco]

hope i get a good donger on fetid this week.

our kill times are stupid slow.

so my 2min is not during enrage.

[calm grail]

When you line your donger up just right.

Finally got a couple Crit mastery pieces for m+. Had been almost too lucky in the crit/haste department.

[hollow stone]

The trick is to convince your guild to pop everything on pull to hit 50% faster. And then save vend and top meters. You can call me cheeselord

[calm grail]

We did normal for shits last night since the raid week was done.

[hollow stone]

Make sure kill is under 2 min tho 🧀

[calm grail]

Saved my CDs for 50%

Ezcheesy

[dark token]

so

how many gcds can you guys get in subterfuge

[meager knoll]

3

[dark token]

because i just cast garrote vendetta garrote garrote garrote

[meager knoll]

without having garrote on cd?

[dark token]

the 4th one shouldnt be possible

[limpid cedar]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[hollow stone]

What you just said makes no sense at all

G v g g g is 5 gcds

[dark token]

yes

[hollow stone]

That does not fit in subt 3 sec

[dark token]

i was able to cast that

the first 4 in subterfuge

[hollow stone]

The 4th and 5th shouldnt be possible

[daring iron]

you can get 3 globals off in subterfuge lol

including the one from stealth

so technically 2

[meager knoll]

4th is possible, in that rotation, but it'll trigger the bug

[primal gazelle]

your 4th garrote will fuck up your dps for your first 3

so youre losing dps

[dark token]

i know

im saying

it shouldnt be possible for me to cast 4 garrotes + a vendetta in a row

something is fucky

try this

garrote vendetta garrote garrote garrrote

[hollow stone]

If literally perfect timing: g (0-1s), v (1-2s), g (2-3s), subt falls after 3 sec out of stealth

And thats with 0ms

[dark token]

I KNOW

BUT

i can cast ingame

lmfao

[nimble tartan]

Lmao

[daring iron]

Good for you? lol

[hollow stone]

Do you have -5ms?

[dark token]

no

30

[hollow stone]

Are you some how faster than wow?

[hard sonnet]

anyone know how much haste i need for decent single target dps?

[nimble tartan]

Hes saying theres something buggy

Why are u all being toxic lmao

[primal gazelle]

it makes perfect sense,
1 G ( Stealthed)
Vendetta (1 sec sub)
G (2 sec sub)
G (3 sec sub, will not trigger cd)
G ( no sub,)

[daring iron]

I tried it, didnt work

[primal gazelle]

i dont get it, whats buggy?

[dark token]

try spamming as fast as possible

[hollow stone]

Yea. I had that too in the past, managed to fit in a 4th g in the subt window. Idk why it worked that way, but it has happened to me too

Sorry for being a wanker

[primal gazelle]

your 3rd garrote wont trigger cooldown, so youre able to cast the 4th

???

[dark token]

it should

[primal gazelle]

why should it

[dark token]

only 3 gcds are possible normally

[primal gazelle]

the 3rd is within the sub window

[dark token]

try casting garrote 5x in a row

then try casting garrote vendetta garrote garrote garrote

one of them works

[daring iron]

I think vendetta has a slightly lower GCD

[dark token]

one of them doesnt

[daring iron]

when cast

[arctic isle]

no it doesnt

[daring iron]

then idk

[mellow apex]

why would u even cast 5 garrotes?

[hollow stone]

Gcd is char based, unless they messed something up in the coding

[primal gazelle]

why would you even cast 4?

[daring iron]

why even garrote

[hollow stone]

4 is good if there's 4 targets and all 4 are emp

[daring iron]

just mutilate in subterfuge, big dps

[mellow apex]

you can fit in 4 garrotes

3 in subterfuge

[hollow stone]

But like, its a huge risk to your dps to fit it in

[primal gazelle]

you dont get 4 emp'ed

[nimble tartan]

Lol

[hollow stone]

We're talking about 4 in the subt window

[mellow apex]

my gcd allows that

[hollow stone]

Thats what he's saying

[primal gazelle]

show us a log

[meager knoll]

???

[nimble tartan]

Lol

[meager knoll]

3 in subt and 1 after?

[nimble tartan]

Lol

[meager knoll]

is that what you're saying?

[primal gazelle]

that you can cast 4 spells within 3 secs

[onyx falcon]

you can only do 3 in sub window and 1 after but w/ SS bug the 4th would remove SS buff off first 3

[mellow apex]

3 in sub and 1 after

[meager knoll]

!ss

[prisma monolith]

Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

[dark token]

i cant live log training dummies right

[hollow stone]

He is saying: 4 in subt, and garrote is still off cd meaning there was not one outside of the subt window

Which should be impossible

[primal gazelle]

no, but show us screenshot of your combat log with timer

[hollow stone]

But he's saying it happened

[primal gazelle]

not hard

[mellow apex]

SS is pretty nerfed though

[daring iron]

Lies, heresy, no proof

3 in sub is all you can do boys

[meager knoll]

yes, it's pretty nerfed, but how is that relevant?

it's still strong in m+

[mellow apex]

yeah but there are other traits worth going for now

thats all i was pointing out

no OFFENSE

TO ANYONE

[onyx falcon]

i mean it depends on what content youre into

[daring iron]

Triggered

[mellow apex]

xD

[onyx falcon]

or playstyle

[nimble tartan]

dont ever assume my traits ever again

[primal gazelle]

SS is pretty low on the hectic cleave add trait list

[mellow apex]

dont assume my class

[primal gazelle]

one is the most youll need imo

[daring iron]

For m+ SS is definitely the strongest

[primal gazelle]

scent of blood is strong too

laser + scent + ss = win

[daring iron]

Or yes maybe sob

[meager knoll]

yeah, but that's because hectic add cleave doesn't equal to m+

[mellow apex]

im a mage in a rogues body

[meager knoll]

in m+ you can restealth all the time, in the hectic add cleave sim you don't restealth

[nimble tartan]

mhm mhm

mhm

[daring iron]

tru snail tru tru

[primal gazelle]

regardless, more than 1 ss is trash, especially if youre sacrificing ilvls for it

[meager knoll]

not true

[daring iron]

not in m+ lol

[primal gazelle]

SOB is way better than the 2nd SS

[daring iron]

Mmm debatable

[primal gazelle]

109 agi per rupture target is insane

[mellow apex]

ilvl matters here

[daring iron]

Depends on ilvl there

[nimble tartan]

my dad is #1 rogue sin in mythic+ and he uses multiple ss

[vale scroll]

pls tell that the top m+ assassins

[vale scroll]

most of them still running 3 ss

[mellow apex]

yeah tell that to me

[lone junco]

4th garrote triggered CD.

75% haste

you can not get 4 emp garrotes.

[arctic isle]

bro haste doesnt affect that

at all

[dark token]

you cant cast 4 in a row

im saying

vendetta allows you to cast 4 gcds

[meager knoll]

you're saying that you can't, but that you did?

[lone junco]

Im telling you i agree and logged it.

[primal gazelle]

can you highlight the subtger buff over it

[dark token]

1 sec i had to renable logging

[lone junco]

the 4th is out of subterfuge. thus triggered cd

[dark token]

yeah

try this opener

from stealth

garrote vendetta garrote garrote garrote

[daring iron]

But why,

[dark token]

only the 4th garrote triggers gcd