#assassination

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strange python
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i notice it a lot more than legion

onyx wind
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There is less in bfa

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and thats just confirmation bias

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that you notice it a lot more

strange python
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i suppose

onyx wind
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There is objectively less titanforge

dapper moat
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Hate titans also

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Should kill lady luck anyways..

onyx wind
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Why do you hatee titanforge though?

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Becausee it doeesnt happen to you or what?

wicked comet
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people like titanforge?

onyx wind
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The only thing that makes me dislikee titanforge is that you competee with people who have better items becausee of luck

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Atleast thereee aree no legeendaries this time around

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So its minimal compared to legion

strange python
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I prefer legendaries to azerite tbh

onyx wind
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No you dont

strange python
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exeo, stat priority for Sin?

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Single target

onyx wind
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crit/haste/mastery

strange python
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Yes I do. Game seems very unrewarding like were not playing towards anything

sand whale
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you obviously didn't sit through a raid tier with 2 utility leggos loool

onyx wind
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Doesnt matter how much of each with TB spec

wicked comet
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legendaries were better

strange python
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Okay, so what about Azerite?

wicked comet
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method of getting them was worse

onyx wind
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I had to sit out of fights because my legendaries were bad

strange python
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what talents for mythic+

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?

onyx wind
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You dont sit out fights because ur weeapon doesnt warforgee +10 ilvls

wicked comet
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and thats an issue with the way in which you get the legendaries

onyx wind
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or you have a subpar trait

strange python
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I heard that Assassination is best PvP spec, AND traits + stats mean more than ilvl.

wicked comet
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not the legendaries themselves

onyx wind
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Its still a problem

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that they were so unbalanced

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I agree, thee system sucked major

strange python
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Would simming be beneficial for arena as wel?

onyx wind
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Just copy someonees traits/talents for arena

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And no

strange python
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I don't know what the traits are though

onyx wind
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Basically any traits work

strange python
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I'd say simming would give me the best answer to what's best in bag

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for

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arena

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stat wise

onyx wind
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Just go with highest ilvl

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Stats really dont matteer much in bfa

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just eenchant/gem ur higheeest simming stat

strange python
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People that PvP are saying stats and azerite are best

onyx wind
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What do you mean best

strange python
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To keep track of

onyx wind
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Compared to what

strange python
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ilvl

onyx wind
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Stats dont really matter

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Azerite doesnt really eeither

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Unless you wanna push high rank

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If you just want to hit 1800, you dont even have to have the right talents either

strange python
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I've seen a Druid with much less gear

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Than soda

wicked comet
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thats some dogshit advice

strange python
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Screw him over

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With the bite trait

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Hitting for 40k

onyx wind
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Yes

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We had such a trait

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It got nerfed

strange python
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Which is why I've wanted to see what's best trait

wicked comet
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twist the knife

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scent of blood is decent

onyx wind
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Its either DD, twist the knife or battle-focus thing

strange python
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DD?

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Double Dose yeah?

onyx wind
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Yes

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But you shouldnt be worrying about gear if youre just starting out

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Just learn to play ur class instead

strange python
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I'm 339 ilvl

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Trying to optimally gear

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For damage

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I've mained a Rogue since WoD -_-

onyx wind
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If you find it fun, theres no reason not to optimally gear

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But you can get 1800 with any gear, talents or traits

wicked comet
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only if you're better than 1800

strange python
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That's not the answer I'm looking for

wicked comet
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yh dont listen to that

strange python
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No offence.

wicked comet
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no reason

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to not optimise your gear

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even more important

shy escarp
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just be pikaboo and take off gear to give your opponents a chance

wicked comet
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if you';re new to the class

strange python
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Optimizing gear is important

wicked comet
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because you're getting more dmg for doing nothing

onyx wind
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Not as important as learning thee class/matchups

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And playstyle

strange python
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Regardless if you're new or not

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You need the damage -_-

onyx wind
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Im not saying you dont need any damagee

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Im saying i would prioritize other things

wicked comet
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its not like he has to think about his traits constantlyu

strange python
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Dude... with skill, you still need the damage lol

wicked comet
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he equips the item

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and you're done

strange python
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That's like, saying... I'm skilled so I don't need good gear..

wicked comet
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assination is generally a simple spec aswell

onyx wind
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Which is more true for pvp than it is for pve

wicked comet
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so i dont feel like you're going to be overwhelmed

strange python
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I'm sorry, but how hard is it to tell me what to use.

onyx wind
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We already told you

sand whale
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^

strange python
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I don't mean to be rude.

sand whale
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skilled but wants to be told

onyx wind
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Waste of time

strange python
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I don't care about the time it takes to sim and shit.

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It's worth the time lol

sand whale
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take DD

onyx wind
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Im talking about

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Trying to talk to you

sand whale
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take twist

onyx wind
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^

sand whale
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take anything that amps your ST damage within your stuns

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win

strange python
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ST?

slim olive
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lul

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single target

strange python
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My bad

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Dense here

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Only sometimes! Lol

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Then I can sim my stats

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As you don't get stats on azerite gear

onyx wind
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I have never

strange python
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just agility and stamina

onyx wind
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ever heard of anyonee

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simming stats for pvp

slim olive
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do stats even matter?

onyx wind
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Appareently im an idiot for sayng they dont

strange python
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Why wouldn't you, sim for Single Target you get more Single Target damage.

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Do you not?

onyx wind
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You cant compare the dmg on a patchwerk st boss with pvp

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There are so many factors that makee it impossible to compare

strange python
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Valid

wicked comet
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sims not good for pvp

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you aren't hitting the guy constantly

bleak jungle
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From what I've seen personally, damage varies from what you see.

If you hit someone less geared than you, you'll see 10k, they'll see 8k.
Or at least that's what I've seen with testing on a friend

strange python
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So, how do you tell.

sand whale
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play some pvp

onyx wind
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^

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Thats what ive been trying to say

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Focus less on gearing and more on playing

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And you will rank up a lot faster

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Mostly because youre actually playing ^_^

sand whale
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you also get the benefit of gear 😛

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rather than trying ot math it out

strange python
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So a crit haste ring, would be better than a vers mastery ring for assassination.

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Just an example.

sand whale
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probs not

onyx wind
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If youve been playing rogue since wod

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You should know what stats are good

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in general

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And what thosee stats do

civic patrol
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@strange python haste sims pretty well atm, so makes sense

strange python
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Stat priority changes

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with class changes

onyx wind
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Yes

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But what the stats do

bleak jungle
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They're talking PvP though

onyx wind
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Remain the same

bleak jungle
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Veej

civic patrol
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oh ok

onyx wind
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Stat priority is based on a 5 minute fight on a boss that stands still

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Its completely unreliablee

strange python
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Sorry for talking PvP in PvE, no one was responding in PvP

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So Versatility then. Vers is usually known to be king on everything PvP.

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Then Mastery because of bleeds damage increase

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Then Crit

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Then Haste

onyx wind
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It doesnt really matter much

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I would ask someone 2400+ about that

strange python
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Go to twitch haha

sand whale
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just look up the top rogues

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even then you'll find their gear varies

strange python
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Like Pika for ex

onyx wind
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Leet mee ask you someething

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When do you think stats matter thee moest

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When you aree playing at a top level, with next to perfect playstyle

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Or when youre at low rank, learning to play pvp

strange python
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Both

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Regardless, you need the gear.

onyx wind
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Which is why you should just focus on ilvl

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and not stats

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which ive beeen telling you for 15+ minutes

delicate root
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should watch pshero play with his fresh 120

strange python
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I'm watching PS right now lol

vestal abyss
candid jasper
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Does exsanguinate affect crimson tempest?

vestal abyss
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NO

candid jasper
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OK

strange python
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This is very helpful @vestal abyss

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Thank you

warm geode
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@candid jasper Does exsanguinate affect crimson tempest? Yes

lone junco
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Ct doesn't return E from poison hits though.

warm geode
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yes

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just answed if effect, and effect, cut duration by half

lone junco
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Yes

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This is fun.

alpine atlas
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are there any good main rogues streaming?

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pve

onyx wind
desert vault
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there is no agility weapon enchant right?

tribal lark
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
brisk forge
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Nope

strange python
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A fire mage with 4 ilvl 100 pieces is able to do one set up and LITERALLY one shot.

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ilvl does not matter, just stats lol

onyx wind
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pleasee dont triggeer me more than you already have

strange python
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9 +40 gems... lol

vestal abyss
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How do you effectively kite warriors

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I never can seem to lose em

limber wind
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Most of warriors run stormbolt, that means they have only one charge

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and u have crippling poison

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idk if i have to say more?

tulip falcon
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why are all the rogue streamers using assa for m+?
people here always say sub is better for m+
doesnt seem right

main blaze
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@tulip falcon

tulip falcon
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seems like the specs arent that far from each other

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have not seen any streamer play sub in a high level yet

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even in mythic uldir

placid ermine
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how is assa close now after shrouded suffocation has been fucked

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My dps fell few k every pack :/

sweet sedge
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do we only use deadly poison for M+ and raids?

placid ermine
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yes

wise whale
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in which m dungeons do good daggers drop?

novel zealot
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Shift-J ingame

wise whale
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oh nice tham you

main blaze
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M+ damage for me felt pretty much the same with SS nerf

strange python
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Shift J put me on my mount 🤔

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do you have a more descriptive answer

alpine atlas
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the dungeon journal

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you can look at all the dungeons that drop weapons

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first row and tol dagor drop weapons

bitter coyote
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hey do i use Crimson tempest on ST in m+ if i can exsang it?

tulip falcon
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are the sims on the simulationcraft site accurate?

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I only see assa rogues at the top of the meters in good guilds

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never see sub

strange python
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well

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nobody really has 3 385 sharpened blades

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@tulip falcon

tulip falcon
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how does that affect assa?

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are the talents any different after the ss nerf?

gentle rapids
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i've been hearing people say teeming got nerfed last night but can't find a source for it anywhere, is it true or nah?

drifting cloud
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it is true

marble hemlock
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it is known

strange python
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heard that aswell from jdotb he said they change stuff in m+ without posting about it often

marble hemlock
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yup

drifting cloud
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its the weekend, youll the bluepost tomorrow

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which is gonna miss half the stuff anyways probably

gentle rapids
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nice! guess ill finally go do motherlode for my m+ score

marble hemlock
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was about to say, youll see a bluepost. maybe. and it wont include everything anyway

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motherlode hasnt really been affected by it tho, since motherlode was basically fine already

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its stuff like underrot that saw some significant changes

calm grail
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No double laser golem or Zul is where it's at

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Ooof

gentle rapids
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oh i thought motherlode would be the worst with teeming since it already has 2 million trash packs

calm grail
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The trick to doing motherlode is having a warlock.

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Clear 100% up to the second boss and then death run the next two bosses.

gentle rapids
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Thanks, i'll try it out:)

calm grail
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It works pretty well. Farm the easy adds and soulstone the healer and skip boss 3 and 4s trash

placid ermine
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So do we use fan of knives azerite trait to be useful in m+ as assa now?

gray shuttle
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MA Vanish + Poisoned Knife with 3 SB?

daring imp
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^ yea

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vanish tb > envenom > poisoned knife

zenith cedar
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Master Assad in is dogshit

unkempt wing
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is this ok for my item lvl ? im not sure

calm grail
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Seems pretty low.

brisk forge
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Should have like 1k higher

calm grail
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I got 3 ilvls but about 1k more

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Yeah..

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But that could be from traits and optimization.

strange python
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quick question: do you guys try to max out envvenoms during your toxic blade window or do you still space them out for the envenom buff (so it lasts longer)?

brisk forge
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use finisher 4+, pool before TB comes off CD. And you should AIM for 2 envenom in that Window, dont be below 2 envenom

unkempt wing
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i think its low aswell tbh

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but i dont see why

strange python
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yeah thats what i kinda thought as well @brisk forge , thanks a lot dude!

unkempt wing
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is it normal that crit sims highest for me single target ?

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that seems strange to me

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ill resimm

strange river
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Yeah you only have 527 crit. When you hit 20% ish it'll probably drop down. Crit is huge early because of how it works.

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Like from 5-10% is huge. 10-20 is great. Past that it diminishes further and further

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Haste Vers etc scale more linearly

unkempt wing
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its rly strange i just simmed exacly the same gear, but now it tells me haste is King .. like i expected

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ah okay

strange river
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Weird

unkempt wing
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thanks m8

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ill do it again and if it shows me crit now again sth is going wrong on raidbots

outer pivot
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
dapper moat
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one question about poisons that have bafled me long time, why ppl use on raids and m+ only deadly poisons? why not use both poisons deadly and grippling?

steel abyss
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why is my dps so low?

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any advice?

honest silo
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Crippling poison does not do something in a lot of fights, I always have both on but unless you need to slow many targets it makes no difference

unkempt wing
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low ? im 20 ilvl sbove u with +500 dps

indigo mulch
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Running wrong talents

unkempt wing
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10*

steel abyss
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i've simmed talents and all my gear piecesx

daring imp
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how many SS's are you running

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@dapper moat the only one i thing we can argue about not using crippling would be mythrax fight if you are helping taking people off the orbs

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everything else i dunno why people wouldn't use it

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maybe sanguine weeks removing crippling can be good

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but i'm fairly sure crippling poison triggers venomouns wounds too so i dunno why people wouldn't use it on m+

steel abyss
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0 SS sims higher for me single target than 2 SS

daring imp
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yea ss got nerfed a bit and isn't the best friggin' in slot trait for every scenario

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now ilvl matters on pieces

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some are running reorigination array with double doses or sharpened blades ... depends on your gear

unkempt wing
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now agi sims lower then haste 😃

daring imp
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( because of high ilvl pieces )

steel abyss
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Wish the ghuun trinket with the tendril was better

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Love that lil dick worm popping up

daring imp
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lul

charred lantern
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are you guys simming no buffs or buffed

steel abyss
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It actually won me a 3v3 match last night

daring imp
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for raiding, buffed

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m+ only flask/food

dapper moat
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ty ongbak

inland pivot
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so whats the deal with exsang? do you need at least 2 SS to make it worthwhile? Is it better with more haste? im just not getting why its so popular all of the sudden

lone junco
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it is less popular than it was.

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it was very good. now it is just good

daring imp
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sims good and a few fights it syncs up nicely with the timing of switching targets or "blow your cds now"

inland pivot
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I see, i only have one SS right now so its prob not worth taking

daring imp
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for vectis, vanish/vendetta/exs syncs up EVERY time he comes back from his pool

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some guys here sim better with exs even w/o SS's

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i saw one or two around 15k dps

unkempt wing
drifting cloud
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you dont have 2nd trait in shoulders or what?

unkempt wing
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dont have the level yet

daring imp
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it's not wrong, there's few stuff here and there you could change but it's a decent amount

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like haste enchants

unkempt wing
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jea i mostly run m+ thats why i have crit

daring imp
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oh i see

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but that's also your raiding gear?

unkempt wing
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no i have different ones 😃 i could maybe switch ring enchants

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ur right

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have to see if i use the same

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rest gear is my raiding gear tho 😃

daring imp
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well i sim around that much too with 2 ilvl less

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using laser+2 sb

charred lantern
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is this low or okay

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i dont use raid azerite gears

valid atlas
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yes

charred lantern
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2 sb 1 dd

jagged atlas
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Could you guys tell me when to pool energy ? If I use Evenom and then decide to pool energy right after to clip the Envenom debuff it seems like i am not taking advantage of the Elaborate Planning damage increase by using 1-2 mutilates ?

charred lantern
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@valid atlas does that mean its low ? xD

unkempt wing
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its not low i think

lone junco
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@charred lantern I'm 349 and sim 13.3. So yeah a bit low.

unkempt wing
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id use more haste tbh

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u must be rly low on haste no ?

charred lantern
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its %16 haste

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its hard to find haste gear eh

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i have %22 crit %16 haste %28 master %4 versa

lone junco
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16 is prob fine. It's probably traits and trinkets.

charred lantern
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what azerite traits do you use

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i use 2 sb 1 dd on single target

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dont have the raid traits cus i dont raid that much

drifting cloud
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your stats are almost identical to mine and I sim 15.2, its just ilvl, azerite and trinkets

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like he said

daring imp
charred lantern
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@drifting cloud i see thank you!

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whats your iLv btw

lone junco
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Get Fathoms.

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Maybe wep ilvl. But I can't tell what you have.

drifting cloud
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im 371

charred lantern
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i see thankyou

vagrant brook
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are u guys running ct this week?

lone junco
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And for any one else until the end of time. Do not dm me asking about traits unless you have a sim showing the difference and want some help picking for certain conditions.

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Always.

fossil jewel
drifting cloud
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you always play ct

fossil jewel
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why my sim seems so low*

lone junco
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@fossil jewel what traits is that. And why don't you have a fathoms trinket.

unkempt wing
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love the galecallers trinket 😃

lone junco
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GC fathoms is an amazing combo.

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Except for m+. I'd rather have a dice.

fossil jewel
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@lone junco 2x AOTT, 1x SB. Cant afford fathoms sadly :/ Started on a new server this xpac

daring imp
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i don't really enjoy fathoms for m+ Ç_Ç

lone junco
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Use top gear to pick out the traits. Because the 2nd archive isn't top value.

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Yeah. Fathoms is Garbo in cleave.

muted jacinth
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@drifting cloud pb for tyrannical tho

lone junco
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Ilvl matters.

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Negative. Pb is still shit on tyrannical.

unkempt wing
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i alredy thought i might exchange it for a harlans for m+

drifting cloud
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you should play Ct on tyrannical aswell

muted jacinth
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why am I seeing top rogues using pb for tyrannical then

fossil jewel
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@lone junco Yeah, thats what I did, but 2x AOTT was best for me for some reason

lone junco
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Sin value is the cleave. In all cases. Let the lock do more than 2% extra.

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@muted jacinth watch seliathan if you want top rogue.

daring imp
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you'll see rogues running everything

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yea ^

muted jacinth
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link to stream?

daring imp
lone junco
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Yah.

drifting cloud
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yes thats the one

muted jacinth
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I'll ss and watch later

split fjord
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hi everybody ! does we have cap on assassination ?

daring imp
lone junco
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He will tell you that your 12-25% Ct pulls are more valuable than the pb. In most all cases. Except like 15 snake temple. 3rd boss needs every ounce

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@split fjord if you don't wear a hat, you will miss out on some good azerite traits.

muted jacinth
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yeah galvanize boss is actually brutal

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I'm guessing hes still running 3 ss?

lone junco
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Yeah.

split fjord
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? don t understand that maybe i don t have pose the good question

lone junco
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There are no stat caps that we worry about.

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Haste for single target goes all the way up. Currently above agi at like 20%.

drifting cloud
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poor Noobe, tried to make a funny feelsyarrman

daring imp
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@split fjord you mean haste cap?

lone junco
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Tried.

split fjord
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yeah haste and crit cap

drifting cloud
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dont worry I appreciated it

strange python
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@daring imp What traits is he running?

daring imp
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well around when i got to 20% my haste values were lowered to the same as agi, but i don't think there's a cap at all following my own sims @_"

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@strange python he runs 3x SS

lone junco
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"Made a funny". Splinter from TMnt the movie LOL

split fjord
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ok ty @daring imp

strange python
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18k overall with SS

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wtf

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Is the bug fixed?

lone junco
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Yeah. G g g Ct.

daring imp
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big pulls man, big pulls

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😛

lone junco
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And no

unkempt wing
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would it be a bad idea to macro galecallers to exeg 🤔

daring imp
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probably not

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didn't test today

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they'll only fix this SS bug when there are no more azerite traits, "ok so now we got no bugs to fix regarding that"

drifting cloud
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@unkempt wing just super important if you do that to use gc before exsang

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because it snapshots

unkempt wing
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iz does ?.ooo

strange python
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Is there an alternative trait for m+ ?

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as good as SS?

unkempt wing
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fk then im doing it wrong all the time

daring imp
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for assassination? nah

lone junco
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@unkempt wing I have had it macroed in a few places.

daring imp
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as good as you hardly will find

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unless some godly azerite piece

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yea, even so, probably not

lone junco
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If feel that they increased the circle size from first week.

daring imp
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restealths favor ss too much to pass

strange python
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So I guess its worth running 3x SS still then

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Im running 370 archive, 2x SS (355, 340)

dapper moat
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how u sim,michee?

lone junco
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Only if you can restealth and want to do top damage every pull with no CDs.

strange python
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@dapper moat ST?

unkempt wing
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i dont think its worth changing my 385 Rezans to 340 SS tho for m+

dapper moat
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aye

strange python
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I think its something like 14,6k

dapper moat
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nice

daring imp
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well with 3x 340 ss's my garrotes still are ~35%ish of my overall dmg so unless something can close that much of a gap ...

dapper moat
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its good to know ss is still viable

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i like that rotation quite much ^^

daring imp
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^ mostly for m+

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for raiding should sim it to be sure but probably worse than others on st unless high azerite piece

strange python
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Yeah, I think i'll switch the 370 archive for 340 SS

dapper moat
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i use 2xss 1xarchi in m+ and raids

unkempt wing
#

i also think i might change my laser 355 to 340 SS

dapper moat
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might go 3x ss on m+ though

smoky lantern
still hinge
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but why use the uldir traits outside of uldir?

strange python
#

370 archive gives u 240 agil

daring imp
#

which fight @smoky lantern ?

dapper moat
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they have 15 higher item level, blackbeard

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but might go for now 3x 340 SS

open elbow
#

any weak auras for tracking subterfuge empowered garrote ? It could be real useful with a SS build

dapper moat
#

why not just normal garrotte tracking?

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u remember when u cast from stealh anyway

daring imp
#

i think mizerok's tracks but only on target

open elbow
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I still overwrite some empowered garrote out of habit, because I'm dumb, that's why.

daring imp
#

i saw some aff warlock weakauras for tracking every different unstable affliction cast, making a diff progress bar

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i dunno how to exclusively track emp garrotes tho

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some lua code cast from stealth or under subterfuge aura, not sure how

dapper moat
#

heh np i do that same mistake sometimes too ^^ i try to keep in miund and let them tick through

strange python
opaque grotto
#

1 minute

strange python
#

Yeah 1 minute

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Thats m+ for adds

gentle rapids
#

simming for m+ adds was 3 min hectic add cleave right?

daring imp
#

no

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doesn't take into account restealths at all like that

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has to be lower duration to get the phat SS in

gentle rapids
#

oh yeah, forgot about that

daring imp
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like 3~6 bosses for 40s~1min

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depends on your tank's balls

manic stirrup
#

Hello, does anyone know if I should be using 2 SS or 1 SS and something else?

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@frigid sleet ok but how do I sim different traits? Do I have to respec each time?

frigid sleet
#

you can select & compare your different traits in here using simc addon to get your ingame infos

grim rose
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and subterfuge timer

twilit skiff
#

hey, quick rotation question, the guide says use rupture in opener, but doesn't mention it in overall rotation, is that correct, or am I reading it incorrectly?

spare cloud
#

You are reading incorrectly

open elbow
#

@grim rose Thanks man !

grim rose
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np

twilit skiff
#

ok cool, so I should be maintaining it

spare cloud
#

Yeah, it mentions in the guide when you should refresh it

placid ermine
#

Herodmg says best setup is 3x sharpened blades (shuriken toss, poisoned knife dmg), and it also says that one archive of the titans is by far the best trait to have, so which is it?
Should i be doing 3x sharpened blades or 2x sharpened and one archive?

strange python
#

Sim

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Yo

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Self

spare cloud
#

Archive of the titans becomes better every week

lyric gust
#

i heard 2x aott is pretty hot

strange python
#

Remember that the reo array only works in uldir

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No it doesn’t toph

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It’s the same

placid ermine
#

it does, 2ndary stats increase

strange python
#

The array keeps gettinf better

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Yes but that’s only uldir

placid ermine
#

and im asking for raid setup

strange python
#

I already told you

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Sim urself

grim rose
#

traits that only work in uldir is such a terrible idea :§

placid ermine
#

yeah u are cunt, im asking others

strange python
#

Why am I a cunt

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Lmao

placid ermine
#

because i dont even have those traits, i just need quick info which someone in here is bound to have

strange python
#

I’m telling you to sim because that’s the best way of determining which traits are the best

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Well you can compare gear in raidbots

placid ermine
#

setting sim setup for just that seems a bit overdoing it, and defeats all the purpose of this channel, what is it for if only help we get here is "go sim yourself" that sounds very close to something entirely different

strange python
#

?????

lyric gust
#

everyone in here just says sim urself, wont find a real answer here lol

placid ermine
#

i guess

lyric gust
#

or that is the answer, either way

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i just got simc

strange python
#

That’s how u find ur best gear

celest drift
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
spare cloud
#

Yeah, I just said it like that because array only works when you have an uldir item

strange python
#

Yup

spare cloud
#

I'm guessing you understood that

placid ermine
#

I dont need best setup for me specifically, im asking if in general 3 sharpened blades are better for raid than 2 + archive because herodmg confused me

strange python
#

Depends on ilvl

placid ermine
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370 archive, rest would be 340

spare cloud
#

No, archive will become better in the raid over time

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much better

strange python
#

Depends on how many arrays u got too

placid ermine
#

what is current max?

lyric gust
#

depends on ilvl and # of stacks but AoTT will be king eventually for uldir

placid ermine
#

4?

strange python
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3

lyric gust
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think its 3 could be 4 tho...it goes up each week

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4 on tuesday

strange python
#

Yup

placid ermine
#

by tuesday u mean next id?

strange python
#

Next reset

placid ermine
#

wish they made it the same day for both eu and na

dire gazelle
#

Rule of thumb: 99% of the information is available via links found in this Discord. Most people only came here for those links. The 1% of information not found in those links cannot be answered by a majority of the people on the Discord because they're here for the 99% of the information found in the links and reading answers to other people's 1% questions, not comprehensive analysis of the class.

placid ermine
#

Well its precisely that information that caused confusion that caused me to ask about it

dire gazelle
#

Best course of action: Utilize links and be self-sufficient, until you hit a 1% question 😃

placid ermine
#

sorry i used the channel for what i thought is its purpose

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hope you dond hate me yet oddmass

dire gazelle
#

I wasn't directing my comment towards you 😃

strange python
#

Just compare gear on raidbots

spare cloud
#

I mean what you are asking is

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part of the 99%

strange python
#

Yeah you can find the answer by simming

lyric gust
#

toph u arent even blind

strange python
#

With gear compare

placid ermine
#

I could. But i dont see how would i do that if i dont even have 1 sharpened blade on me, let alone 3 to compare them to 2 vs archive

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I guess i'd have to do some string editing

strange python
#

Gear compare let’s u chose items u don’t have

placid ermine
#

and i never simmed myself once in my life, i always did math myself

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Its just that azerite traits arent clear when it comes to numbers

strange python
#

And then you come here calling me a cunt

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Big yikes

spare cloud
#

Wait you are calculating it yourself

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how are you doing that

grim rose
#

pen and paper

placid ermine
#

On a paper with a pen

spare cloud
#

Okay

grim rose
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using quaternions

spare cloud
#

good luck with getting accurate results that way

placid ermine
#

well i cant really do that with azerite anymore

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thats why i thought i will ask rogue community for their thougts, didnt think its that big of a deal especially after i checked the website and asked specific question about info i found there

calm grail
#

I usually do my simulations on pen and paper, but it gets pretty crazy when I have like 10,000 iterations.

placid ermine
#

im sorry

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i wont do that anymore

strange python
#

U seem mad

placid ermine
#

disappointed

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i thought better of that discord

slim olive
#

Lol

strange python
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Lmao

slim olive
#

Just make gearsets on raidbots see what traits are the best for you

dire gazelle
#

@placid ermine You have to understand that a majority of the folks regurgitate information.

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And that you're engaging with more than a few of them right now.

slim olive
#

Or just look on Warcraft logs to see what people are using

inner pulsar
#

Anything less than 5,000 iterations is just noise

spare cloud
#

@inner pulsar you using that calculator in your profile pic to sim stuff?

inner pulsar
#

No, I use the tools provided that make it accuratate, you know, like Raidbots

calm grail
#

Yeah but, I came here for feelings not facts.

strange python
#

Bwaaah what traits are the best

inner pulsar
#

We dont deal in feelings in here

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Facts only

spare cloud
#

feelycraft is in offtopic

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jk

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dont go there please

onyx leaf
#

can someone explain how the suffocate sin trait works and why it is so strong currently?

spare cloud
#

it does damage

onyx leaf
#

azerite trait*

slim olive
#

It adds more damage to garrote

strange python
#

More dps with garrote used with the stealth buff

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It does good damage

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Good CP generation is the cherry on top

spare cloud
#

not as good as it used to be

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but its alright

strange python
#

!ss

prisma monolithBOT
#

Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

spare cloud
#

wait moroes is up again

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!rtb

strange python
#

🤔

slim olive
#

🤔

strange python
#

Sin RtB build when?

spare cloud
#

Nadem

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is that you in your pfp

strange python
#

Ss bug fix when?

fossil agate
lyric gust
#

what am i looking at

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wtf

spare cloud
#

you seem to lack some haste

inner pulsar
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@strange python Never

slim olive
#

You didn't

ebon gulch
#

it's better to run poison bomb in m+, not crimson tempest?

smoky lantern
#

@daring imp any man my parses are bad

inner pulsar
#

Also, I Roll The Bones all day dawg

slim olive
#

That's the case for a lot of people lul

strange python
#

@ebon gulch sim yo self

slim olive
#

Crimson tempest is better

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Rng is bad

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Lul

spare cloud
#

but pb was good in antorus

fossil agate
#

Hmmm

inner pulsar
#

@ebon gulch Ok, this is one time my name is not always the answer, because simming m+ is pretty tough

strange python
#

Fuck crimson and maintaining a 3rd poison

slim olive
#

Pb is poo poo now outside of single target

inner pulsar
#

CT is presumed to be better at higher keys, or bigger pulls

lyric gust
#

CT is good for bigger pulls if you maintain

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3x Garrote -> CT -> ruptures for energy

spare cloud
#

CT does good damage

lyric gust
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on aoe

slim olive
#

Damage is good

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Need damage

lyric gust
#

as far as M+ goes, once your Crit/Mastery get up there, CT becomes pretty nice

calm grail
#

It's nice anyways tbh

#

2% more boss damage or all that extra AoE

spice surge
#

People still think PB does the same dmg as it did in legion

calm grail
spice surge
#

It does less than half of it (the AP scaling)

slim olive
#

I sim m+ with like 5 boss 2 min fight. Obviously it's not perfect but it helps.

strange python
#

PB is really weak atm

spice surge
#

CT is just better for aoe. Pb is only good because there is nothing else on that row for st

strange python
#

offline for 2 days

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whew

slim olive
#

Rip old PB GWsetmyxPeepoSad

calm grail
#

No one misses old PB.

strange python
#

More RNG than OL

calm grail
#

They should have kept kingsbane on that row.

cinder lotus
#

how do we get +10 bonus?

calm grail
#

Instead of PB.

strange python
#

Fuck PB, bring back AP

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I really miss KB

slim olive
#

True

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AP yikes

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Blizz always taking stuff away

calm grail
#

I'm not saying that Kingsbane was complex, but it certainly was more fun.

slim olive
#

Smh

spare cloud
#

Can we talk about warriors

lyric gust
#

no

calm grail
#

Okay.

nova gazelle
#

Ofc blizz takes stuff away, they take ur spells, ur abillities, ur traits, ur social life, ur sex life, greedy ol'bastards

strange python
#

Sex life

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What is that

nova gazelle
#

Point proven!

tropic tulip
#

Is it worth it to refresh rupture with 2-3 cp to fit in one more 4-5 cp envenom into a toxic blade

lone junco
#

Date night >> wow Ayy

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@tropic tulip probably.

iron chasm
#

Guide says TB on CD, is that because it's not worth to pool energy in order to cast more envenom since it's barely one envenom more?

azure geyser
#

Shit I'm married and I've chosen WoW over a sex life before...

calm grail
#

Same.

strange python
#

Less cp rupture isn’t less damage

lone junco
#

All the time. But Friday night is for wife.

strange python
#

It just lasts a few sec less

slim olive
#

^

tropic tulip
#

There are a lot of times where i have 4-5 cp and 1 second left on toxic blade but 2-3 seconds on rupture.

hybrid hull
#

Hey guys! I was wondering, is it worth saving vanish/garrote for Exsanguinate when running with SS?

lone junco
#

@tropic tulip you can adjust the apl to do a >=3 rupture with tb and it's probably a wash for the entire fight. But you can test that

spare cloud
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Check the guide

tropic tulip
#

Thinking about it i think the envenom then shorter rupture is better. ye ill try to sim it

strange python
#

@hybrid hull no

lone junco
#

Basically. If the sim for 3cp is an insignificant loss. Then you can do it as you see fit around tb and probably be a personal gain.

strange python
#

U want as many exsanguites in fight as possible

slim olive
#

Line vanish up with vendetta tbh

strange python
#

Yeah

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Try vanishing with vendetta, but it vendetta is up but vanish not, you always vendetta

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Vendetta always on cd

lone junco
#

SS vanish exang apl can be adjusted around vuln windows. Like orbs or mother or vectis.

strange python
lone junco
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@strange python That's absolutely not what the apl says.

strange python
#

What

slim olive
#

Lol waz

lucid sequoia
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
lone junco
#

If you run SS and delay the vanish until 0:15. Then you delay vendetta to the vanish at 215.

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But you could read that in the apl yourself.

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If you are mashing stuff Willy nilly. Then that's on you.

tropic tulip
#

Im consistently 1k short of my sims feelsbadman

strange python
#

do you run CT on zekvoz?

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just curious

slim olive
#

At least your conssistant

lone junco
#

Which fight? And are you using big boy flasks and food?

strange python
#

seems liek adds live for like 10-15

lyric gust
#

are you running flasks and food? sim accounts for those

tropic tulip
#

Just hitting a dummy in boralus. ive tried with and without buffs

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gonna ready through the apl to see wtf im doing wrong

fiery haven
#

what energy do you guys normally pool to

lone junco
#

Lust is huge. Aligned with the vendetta and vanish at open.

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And monk/dh buffs.

lyric gust
#

lust vendetta is dmg

lone junco
#

Exang snap on the GC + lust

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But 1k is probably monk/Dh easily

tropic tulip
#

I mean i turned buffs off in the sim as well. simming 11k without buffs. just over 10k every attempt on a dummy

lone junco
#

If you are taking dummy vs sim.

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Overall to account for the vanish?

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You can log the dummy testing to see what uptimes you are getting and compare damage profile vs sim.

daring imp
#

@smoky lantern they aren't, fetid is pretty good @_@"

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too many mechanics to do on groups that aren't entirely 99'ish parses

lone junco
#

@hybrid hull A lot of the massive SS logs from Tyrarolls has. Vendetta vanish exang sync due to boss mechanic and fight end time. If you gave trouble reading the simc sample sequence, might try looking at some logs that are well above average.

hybrid hull
#

@lone junco thanks, will do!

primal lance
#

This is a dumb question but I just want to clarify. Do you vanish before vendetta or other way around?

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And when you vanish you repeat the opener that’s in the guide with garrote rupture garrote vendetta mutilate envenom and so on?

fiery haven
#

does EB affect bleeds?

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EP*

spice surge
#

Yes @fiery haven

strange python
#

oh Eleem is back

void oracle
#

Anyone here use the addon Hekili? Just wondering if it handles aoe cases properly with assassin...

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Like triple garrote out of stealth and stuff

primal fossil
#

@void oracle does it handle st properly? Been curious myself. Used to for ret and ww monk and seems to work well

void oracle
#

I'm going to test it out on a target dummy. I was using it during an m+ and it seemed ok. Sometimes it has trouble seeing how many enemies are in range of you

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So switching between st and mt rotations isn't the best

tall talon
#

guys where do i put vanish with MA as opener without SS?

primal fossil
#

@void oracle ya maybe we can shorten the range of enemies that it starts to aoe?

strange python
#

Hekili does real time simulations

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Its cpu taxing

supple compass
#

Does deadeye spyglass affect aoe targets, or just st like eye of command from legion

open elbow
#

What with MotD on HeroDmg ?

royal lantern
#

somone noticed that laser matrix is pulling stuff in m+ since the last patch?

lone junco
#

Just use your eyeballs. G g g Ct. tab ruptures on the elites. Use exang each pull. Vendetta exang on the prio baddies.

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Hekili is prob silly for m+

river pawn
#

i have a question guys for m+ i got 1x ss chest and 1x dagger inthe back chest which one o must use ?

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can ise use 2x ss + 385 dagger ?

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my ss chest 340 dagger in the back chest 385 buy the way

quasi ledge
#

No one can realistically answer that, you need to sim

river pawn
#

i know but aoe sims not really give exact result

fiery bear
#

was away for 3-4 days and i see MA is being used on hero damage. whats up with that and where can i find the new rotation? a short tldr will be relaly appreciated

torn coyote
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
quasi ledge
#

They're as accurate as you can get. Otherwise try both and see how you do, do some feelycraft if you're not gonna use sims

terse hinge
#

Yo. Is double dose good atm or no? I've been unsure of what to choose for azerite traits..

#

I mean for everything. Pvp, m+, raiding. I mean which is best for each. Lol..

gritty solstice
#

hey guys

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does someone else experience sometimes doing way higher dmg in opener

velvet kernel
#

what pots do u guys use?

lyric gust
#

Visthra what traits are you running

gritty solstice
#

2x double dose

#

x1 shroud

lyric gust
#

you already know about shroud bug?

#

could explain why youre having differences in just opener

#

!ss

prisma monolithBOT
#

Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

gritty solstice
#

what is teh bug

quasi ledge
#

If he's doing the ST opener correctly there's no chance of overwriting Garrote

lyric gust
#

Read MechaMoroes 😄 he is better at english then i am

quasi ledge
#

Opener can change massively depending on procs, crits etc

gritty solstice
#

i mean its not hard

lyric gust
#

i should have asked if ST

gritty solstice
#

its just garrote rupture garrote

lyric gust
#

or aoe

gritty solstice
#

then reapply with vanish x2

quasi ledge
#

If your opener changes THAT much, you must be doing something wrong. Otherwise it's not hard to realise that stuff can effect your opener

covert compass
#

has anyone analyzed nattles new video where he does +40k burst? wtf? 😄

weary cave
#

Hi guys I'm trying out exsang, is there any snapshotting I should be aware of? Vendetta before applying bleeds? Or can I just vendetta and us trinks and it will automatically apply to my exsang buffed DoTs

visual token
#

it only snapshots haste

lyric gust
#

Snapshots haste on cast is my understanding

#

I am not 100% certain about trinks/ven, havent tested yet, but you could test on a dummy pretty ez

visual token
#

vendetta doesnt snapshot. trinkets do if they add haste.

vocal wave
#

What type of sim would you run for something like Zul?

#

Would Hectic Add Cleave be a more reliabkle source, or would you run a patchwerk of something like 4 targets

#

actually

#

Zul is kinda mainly a ST fight

#

But just ST prior with excess padding on adds

supple compass
#

Wait are people actually using master assassin now or is that a meme

ember ermine
#

MA is usually with 3x SB no?

vocal wave
#

Sorry I @d ther wrong person there

grim wolf
#

does shroud reset when u start an m+ key?

lilac lily
#

MA sims higher with DD as well, at least for me

gray shuttle
#

!stat

prisma monolithBOT
#

Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > mastery > vers >= haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.

gray shuttle
#

why mastery is valued over vers haste in multi target though

weary cave
#

Vendetta snapshots haste you mean? or Exsanguinate snapshots haste? sorry

rain breach
#

MA sims with 2 DD 1 SS higher than SUBTER

strange python
#

u dont need haste in multi target

#

WIPE

#

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

#

Because garrote and rupture will generate ur energy

rain breach
#

not much but higher

thin ingot
#

my RL made me give him the heroic dagger from mother angery

rain breach
#

Exsang sims lower than TB for me

lone junco
#

ok

rain breach
#

300 dps

lone junco
#

my exang with 2ss 1 archive is about even with TB archive 1sharp blade 1 twist the knife.

thin ingot
#

btw, is everyone following what bloodmallet says 100%? cause im seeing in logs all sort of combinations

#

and with crazy dmg outputs

strange python
#

its better to sim urself

lone junco
#

@thin ingot it depends on fight timings imo. nothing is patchwerk 5min. closest we have is fetid but the fight is too short, and zul if you assume that adds are ignored.

rain breach
#

yeah noobe so ita absolutly up to you what you use, EXS is great on very short fights, TB is sustained a bit more and for ppl they wan't a mroe chiled opener 😉

#

chilled

lone junco
strange python
#

why not

#

lul

lone junco
#

2ss 1 archive

rain breach
#

you see parse?

#

tehy all died early?

lone junco
thin plinth
#

guys how many wipes did you need to down mythic zekvoz

lone junco
#

delayed exang to gc.

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then delayed vendetta to vanish.

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all the way down the line.

rain breach
#

yeah we know the rotation 😉

lone junco
#

that is not the apl rotation

#

it is synced all the way to the end.,

ember ermine
#

exeo told me not to hold exsg for gcb ytho

outer acorn
#

have you tried 2x SB @lone junco ?

rain breach
#

Or 2x DD 1x Archive

tribal lark
#

ionwut dat picturespam

lone junco
#

I have, and hated sharp blades.

#

@tribal lark you must be new here.

rain breach
#

ther are always these spammer ,9

lone junco
#

point being. 19.4k fetid with synced cds.

outer acorn
#

yeah the gameplay is shit but i have high ilvl pieces so im kinda forced to do it

lone junco
#

I will continue to use the 2ss 1archive

outer acorn
#

even with pieces 30ilvls lower?

rain breach
#

2 DD 1 Archive sims higer for me samn ILVL

hidden citrus
#

you guys using crimson tempest for m zekvoz?

lone junco
shy mica
#

So archive isn't that good outside of Uldir, correct?

lone junco
#

depends on ilvl. but sim the gap

#

make sure to disable the stacks

#

I use 3ss for M+ still.

inland path
#

i just drop my 370 Archive for a 340 SS for m+

north terrace
#

Lol, I'm running 2 different 355 chests. One with archive for raid and one with ss outside

inland path
#

not even that big of a gain TBH

rain breach
#

m+ i run 2DD 1SS

inland path
#

still got a fuken 340 shoulders at 372 ilvl LUL

shy mica
#

Yo uguys also using exsang then

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in m+

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I'm still running exsang and 3xSS

lone junco
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seli runs exang in high M+ keys. Says that the energy gain from the bleed ticks is better than anything TB can produce.

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probably has to do with large pack foc speed.

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we pull a lot smaller, and the exang is nice for SS prio burns.

onyx falcon
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it completely depends on comp, size pulls, dungeon, etc.

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realistically cant tell

lone junco
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truth

onyx falcon
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whats best

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also hai noobe

lone junco
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hi

onyx falcon
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havent see you in a bit

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how goes BFA

lone junco
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best part of ss in M+ is the fat cleave over and over and over without needing cds. just a restealth

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@onyx falcon annoyed tbh. I liked having 1 trait for Single be the same trait for M+.

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the respec is killing my coins

onyx falcon
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mhm

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the azerite system is fuuuucked

rose wharf
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is it ok do apply CT with less as 4 CP in AOE Cleave Situations in m+ or is the energy gain not worth it? same for rupture

lone junco
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better than relics destroying

rose wharf
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to*

onyx falcon
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more than anything ive been annoyed how SS has been nerfed twice and fixed once and its still bugged

rain breach
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i think TB and EXS are pretty even but have both diffrent strenghth - so the balance is good

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and since the SS nerf MA is also getting bertt

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better

lone junco
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I will never play sharp knife.

boreal spoke
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
lone junco
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so Ill just ahve to make the ss work.

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I did it for a full clear. was not something I will enjoy

onyx falcon
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SB is just a thing...

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idk atm SS seems like something that feels unfun to play w/o atm cause of the CP gen

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and w/o SS vanish is just useless

manic stirrup
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is it a good to stack 3 SS for uldir?

onyx falcon
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besides the 1 hit from NS if youre running it

rain breach
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Noob you know ther is also Double Dose`?

onyx falcon
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or 3 hits from garrote

rain breach
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there

lone junco
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@rain breach I have like 5 hats 9 shoulders and 7 chest to work with all about the same ilvl. I am aware of them. I like the SS/GC/ Exang synergy with absurd peaks.

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its going to change at crit lvls i believe.

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when we can actually produce Env uptimes etc.

rain breach
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yo you tried DoubleDose already

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yeah think 30% crit is the way to go for

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hmm when i think about for a working sealfate build oin vanilla it was abut 27%/28% crit to work find

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funny it is the same here

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+if

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and i'm only at 21 atm 😦

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21/17/29/1

glacial steppe
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so they actually datamined SB buffs and SS nerfs? xd

rain breach
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tehy changes are in simcraft nightly

glacial steppe
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btw according to herodamage MA+MoD paired with DD pulls ahead on ST

rain breach
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hmm im not the fan of MoD

glacial steppe
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me neither but im wondering when it actually will pull ahead because for me it does not so far

rain breach
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with hoigt crit i think Deeper Strat could be an option maybe

glacial steppe
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im only at 23% 😦

rain breach
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ýeha sux

lone junco
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i have no expectation to use anything from vigor.

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but things happen

rain breach
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yeah need much more crit for test it 😉

tidal sedge
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so is 2 DD and 1 SS better than 3 SS?

rain breach
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for me it it is outside from the raid

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but in the end sim yourself

lone junco
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looks like this beats my 2ss 1archive exang by about 90 dps.

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aka. the only thing that matters is fight timings

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and maximizing vuln burst phases.

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and Orb buffs on Zekvoz

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and vectis cycles.

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if 2min vanish and SS aligns better, it will be a gain. if you can tunnel zul then pure st may be better, but any time you can vanish ggg, then ss will be better.

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so, strict simmers, need to use their brain and make sure that the sim matches their fight

rain breach
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in the end we all goin to find a good swiss knife build 😃

lone junco
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it is nice to throw an add for 25-50k

north leaf
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Could someone clarify a few things for me? As long as I keep my bleeds I cast from subterfuge from falling off (no SS) does the bonus damage continue to apply after reapplication? Can I also get bonus damage out of EP? Do they overwrite each other?

lone junco
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but,

rain breach
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hmm good qustion i would say yes

north leaf
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To which part?

rain breach
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that teh superfuge stay

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+t

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but correct me someone if i'm wrong

arctic isle
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no u can only refresh subt garrote with another subt garrote

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otherwise you just refresh it to a normal garrote

rain breach
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hmm k

north leaf
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Even if I'm not running SS? I thought I read somewhere that the subt damage stays but the SS falls off

arctic isle
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ss just adds dmg to garrote

north leaf
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Does this same logic apply to the G/Mut/rupt opener?

rain breach
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that was teh point on the garrot outside of stealth bug

lone junco
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If you want to play subterfuge without SS. Run a sim and read the sample sequence opener.

rain breach
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without SS maybe you rund also better with MA

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what ever atleast the SS nerf make this theoriecrafting much more fun now 😉

lone junco
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"Fun"

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I just want something to gear for.

arctic isle
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simming is the opposite of fun

strange river
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Simming is hella fun

north leaf
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Where can I find the sample sequence Noobe?

lone junco
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Knife probably scales with haste. So at least that's a thing.

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Run a 100k sim. Click the HTML in the raidbot summary. Scroll to apl. Then sample sequence.

rain breach
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Noobe yopu have High Crit gear?

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you

manic stirrup
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does anyone know why SS is worth stacking at all? I dont understand. According to the description, it merely adds a few hundred damage. How is that a big contribution to your dps?

royal lantern
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it stacks with the 80%increase from subterfuge

slim olive
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In cleave an M+ the damage adds up

royal lantern
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now do the math

spice surge
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Azerite tooltips LUL

somber moon
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Didn't I hear the damage is added to each tick?

prisma crescent
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take that few hundred damage, multiply by 3, and add the increase with subterfuge

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thats why its good

lilac fern
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!ss

prisma monolithBOT
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Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

spice surge
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Nearly all traits show incorrect values, or well, they show base values and not how much damage it does with your current agi

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And yes every tick

manic stirrup
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how does the ticks work?

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desc doesnt say

spice surge
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You get more damage every tick

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Or you mean how garrote ticks work?

somber moon
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🤔

safe matrix
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"-Shrouded Suffocation works by buffing each tick of garrote, rather than some other mean to increase overall damage."

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sourced from the pins

manic stirrup
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Ok since ss is bugged. Do you guys have a good way to keep track of the 3s after unstealth? A weak aura or something?

safe matrix
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I don't

celest drift
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
magic ginkgo
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does anyone know how to make kui track dead-eye spyglass?

daring imp
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@manic stirrup garrote turns into this ( after a whole dungeon )

📎 unknown.png
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with 3x SS

mortal basalt
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how much haste do you guys have?

daring imp
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for raiding, close to 21%, for m+, close to 8%

north leaf
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When is that screenshot from Ong?

daring imp
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@manic stirrup i use a weakaura to track subterfuge icon really big on my screen, for the 3s it lasts

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from a few hours ago