assassination

[winter gale]

Means I am doing good or ?

[dawn merlin]

seems great

[winter gale]

But I somehow feel like my energy regen is low

I am struggling to pool

[compact bolt]

Sorry at work so hot busy as i was typing lol @winter fog SS for m+ 100%

[wooden island]

does assa or sub preform better in uldir atm?

[compact bolt]

Depends on your gear/ability to play the spec

!best

[prisma monolith]

All specs are good. Specific ones shine in specific areas.
Check the following resources for the facts:
Warcraft Logs: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/19#class=Rogue
Raider.io: https://raider.io/mythic-plus/season-bfa-1/all/world/leaderboards-strict

[dawn merlin]

they are all pretty even

either play the one you enjoy the most or follow your best azerite traits

[torpid sluice]

Hey, got a question regarding Herodmg azerite trait sims.
The gear they are wearing in that sim is (I guess) using SS traits, while the top simming traits for example are Archive or DD. Shouldn't the sims use the gear with the "best" traits then?

[sonic spindle]

If you're only off by 200 dps, that seems pretty good.

[wooden island]

i c

il stay assa then

i just wanna chill in pve

xD

[dawn merlin]

assa is less stressful, agreed

a lot less movement anxiety

[wooden island]

y it's super chill :p

[sonic spindle]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[modest zodiac]

For m+, go 2x SS or 1xSS 1 archive?

Both are pretty close

[torpid sluice]

but there are 3 traits? :c

[strange python]

1 archive and 2SS sim 2 dps lower than 3ss for me

[modest zodiac]

Third trait is DD

idk man

[sweet sedge]

is assassin the go to M+ spec? ive been playing sub but ive been seeing so many sin rogues... something im missing?

[modest zodiac]

yes i'd say

ass

[obsidian ridge]

!ss

[prisma monolith]

Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

[obsidian ridge]

STILL!? jesus christ

[winter gale]

How to play EP + Master Assassin for Aoe ? Instant FoK into rupturing all 3 if there are 3? Then fok envenoms *?

[onyx wind]

wouldnt play that setup for aoe

[ember ermine]

I just run 3x SS in M+ with CT and Exsg

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[winter gale]

Ok

[sinful lotus]

What Uldir bosses do you change your standard ST talents for? (No SS traits)

[little warren]

So with Teeming and fortifiy this week is it better to go exsange / crimson tempest for more aoe in m+ ?

[hollow stone]

Ayyyyy. Bat brothers

[little warren]

[terse hinge]

🤔

[hollow stone]

Exsang is still good if youre running 3x ss. It fell off for my personal testing

I did 6 9 & 10s yesterday trying out a bunch of combos and exsang felt ehhh when using 1ss. Still good when using 3. Thats my take

You def want ct tho

[little warren]

Yeah only 1 SS right now. Guess I'll just do CT for now and see how it goes

[ember ermine]

small #off-topic comment @little warren @hollow stone did you see the new uproar of batman comics?

[hollow stone]

Heh, small off topic. Thats funny. Of course 🍆

[ember ermine]

🍆

[little warren]

lol shhh he doesn't want you looking there 🥕

[ember ermine]

LOL

[rigid monolith]

guys EB over MP even for teeming + fortify M+?

[agile phoenix]

all these shortened words idk what these are lol

what is eb mp

[rigid monolith]

1st talents

elobarate planning and master poisoner

[agile phoenix]

ah yea

[sonic spindle]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[daring imp]

elaborate planning is usually better unless you got such a high mastery

[hard merlin]

The smallest change I ever did to sleep nicely at night as sin was to have a weakaura to remind me when my poisons are off :^)

[sweet sedge]

oh wow.. so fathoms is still one of our BIS trinkets? guess its about time i shelled out the cash

[daring imp]

it's still great

i bought it on week 2 and never looked back

always ~3% of my dmg on dgs

[strange python]

maybe i should get one fathom and change my harlans

[daring imp]

depends on ilvl

[strange python]

345 harlans

[daring imp]

for m+ as i am optimizing my gear more and more i'm trying to get some crit trinkets to have smoother cp regen on trash

eventually when i get a good harlans i'll change fathms* out

@hard merlin i agree

[tulip willow]

Anyone else here hate the fact you always gotta reaply your posions in bgs and arena

[sonic spindle]

Nah, I love that shit.

[daring imp]

i still dunno why poisons last 1h instead of forever until we cancel/cast again

[warped wedge]

For the roleplay

[hard merlin]

@daring imp LMFAO needa up my game...

[cold inlet]

Thoughts on TB vs Exsang?

[hollow cloud]

@daring imp fam I need that weakaura

[tulip willow]

Exang gives me a big dick on dps meters but TB is probs more beter

[hollow cloud]

[warm hatch]

Is there a max/min amount of targets i should maintain rupture on for m+ aoe

[daring imp]

@cold inlet sim it, compare between your multiple traits, depending on secondaries/talents/traits one might come ahead of the other, even if only a bit

[tulip willow]

why is everyone anwser to any question to sim it

[daring imp]

@hollow cloud https://wago.io/BycCWhX4Q it's from this WA, i only took the poison part tho, deleted the rest

[hollow cloud]

[tulip willow]

sometimes i just wanna know that people like better fuck the amount of dps

[daring imp]

because what we know is mostly based on sims, in-game experience can only help so much, if you're screwed by mechanics/anything else you won't be able to fully execute the rotation to its maximum, skewing the data

[warm hatch]

Like eg if theres 6 targets i would most likely triple garrote vanish triple garrote the rest and should i spam FOK and rupture all 6 targets?

[novel lake]

why does raidbot tell me to go 3 archives when i sim 3 bosses 3 minutes

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hckTsCNS8niDoo9vXBNZZU

[tulip willow]

fuck min max have fun

[novel lake]

and no SS or SB ?

[cold inlet]

I ask because 3x SS is still showing bis for me as opposed to SB or DD

[hollow cloud]

thenk u thenk u @daring imp I got some nice pepes for it anyway

[daring imp]

well you can do both, harv, having fun while topping metters is an awesome feeling 😄

[tulip willow]

i know i do

[daring imp]

3 minutes you won't get what SS has to offer, cold

[tulip willow]

but toping meters dosnt mean your nessarly preforming well

[daring imp]

it would be better to do something like 40s if you're aiming to sim m+ trash killing

SS needs constant restealths between pulls to be good

[novel lake]

ye, you're right

[daring imp]

@tulip willow i agree, but you surely understood what i meant, i like to top metters on any group i do, some small competition isn't bad, but i'm also the first one to scratch it and run to do mechanics so the group won't wipe

[novel lake]

so for Uldir it would be best to go SB SS Archive?

Or how do you sim ?

[tulip willow]

a;; g fam am drunk as fuck lol

[novel lake]

for semi add fights? because none of them is pure single target

[tulip willow]

big night cant sleepo wow time lol

[daring imp]

lul

[tulip willow]

what do u guys do in m plus stay assasin or change to outlaw cause its a bit easer for aoe

[cold inlet]

Sin for M+ imo. I can do 25k on trash and 13k on bosses

[daring imp]

@novel lake for raiding i just do patchwerk/light movement, hectic add is kinda stupid, not entirely what the encounters represent and stuff

[warm hatch]

Is there a guide for rotation for M+ for sin

Like how many targets should i rupture

Is it worth like 2cping rupturing trash mobs

[tulip willow]

i think its just dot everything with rupture and pray

[warm hatch]

Just for the energy regen

[daring imp]

rupture enough to have energy so you can keep spamming fok

[warm hatch]

But should all the ruptures be like 5cps

[tulip willow]

really

fok

[warm hatch]

Or just trash ruptures for the energy

[cold inlet]

@warm hatch depends a little on traits. But generally I garrote 3xs then CT and fok til 4 cp and rupture spam weaving CT occassionally

[daring imp]

well you gotta build cps somehow 😛

[warm hatch]

Ye i have 3x SS for m+

[cold inlet]

Ya me too

[daring imp]

^ me three

[cold inlet]

Game doesnt want to give me anything else

[warm hatch]

And sometimes on packs of like 4-5 mobs idk how many ruptures to keep up

[cold inlet]

I feel DD will become best later when we have more mastery and spec into MP

[tulip willow]

the only thing i hate about ct is that its another finishing move and i have having 2 at the same time

[daring imp]

so, when your garrotes run out you should have ~4 ruptures up

whilst also keeping ct up

[warm hatch]

I usually just put 3x garottes, vanish then 2x more garrotes and start applying ruptures

Should i apply CT B4 the ruptures or after

[tulip willow]

im guessing this is high mythics

[warm hatch]

Ye

[daring imp]

depends on energy regen

[warm hatch]

Hogh fort

High fort*

Like 10s+

[daring imp]

i usually ct after the 3 garrotes

but

[tulip willow]

cause most low ones shit evaperates b4 i get my shit off

[daring imp]

when the tank fucks up and pulls too quickly i don't have enough energy after ct to do shit

[cold inlet]

Ive been having success in 7s with CT

[sonic solstice]

CT the way to go over PB? especially this week?

[daring imp]

well low ones just pick pb

[warm hatch]

I also dont know how to vendetta or exansguinate properly

[cold inlet]

Honestly

[daring imp]

like 7 and lower

[warm hatch]

In m+

[vital crater]

so 3ss > 2ss + matrix?

[cold inlet]

PB isnt that great on dmg period

[warm hatch]

Do i wait for my ruptures to start ticking b4 or ven/exsan

Or just do it on prio targets

[hollow cloud]

i cant find where to put custom images

[tulip willow]

that makes sense with pb thanks been trying ct but mobs just dont have the health for it to be usefull on add fights

[cold inlet]

Even taking bosses into account you are losing like 200 dps at best

[hollow cloud]

i think im dumb

I know im dumb

[daring imp]

i think it says on the wago io page

https://wago.io/BycCWhX4Q

lemme see

[hollow cloud]

Yeh it says root

[daring imp]

Interface/Custom/Bruh1.tga

[hollow cloud]

maybe he means %appdata?

[daring imp]

no no

inside wow folder

lul

[hollow cloud]

I looked in appdata

fkn

REE

[daring imp]

reeeeee

[tulip willow]

is hidden blades good for anything

[warm hatch]

After my 3x SS’d garrotes run out i just normally apply garrotes on cd i presume for aoe rigjt

[hollow cloud]

aight

[cold inlet]

@warm hatch If there is a priority add that needs to die in a pack of 5 garrote 3x times and rupture the guy then Exsang and spam fok then CT til bleeds fall off Priority target and do about normal rotation

No

Garrote is bugged right now still

[warm hatch]

Wot

[cold inlet]

Wait I mis read that

[warm hatch]

I mean like after the ssd ones

Are done

Yeah

[tulip willow]

i think garrot will be bugged forever

[cold inlet]

SF Garrote with SS is bugged beyond belief, Blizzard cant math

[tulip willow]

if not it probs get nerfed again

[hollow cloud]

oh they need to be

tga

Fok

[daring imp]

they'll fix garrote bug when azerite traits are gone

"nothing to fix here"

[warm hatch]

@cold inlet normal rotation being just like FoK spam, maintain ruptures on all etc,

[tropic pike]

When take exsang over toxicb?

[jovial kite]

they probably wont fix it

due to spaghetti

[warm hatch]

In 3+ targets i assume to spam CT over envenom right

[cold inlet]

Ya

[jovial kite]

too much backtraacking and reserving of resources to fix something they couldnt code in the first place

[cold inlet]

@tropic pike its like 150-200 dps difference depending on gear

[daring imp]

in "2" targets a few guys were talking about keeping the CT dot up before envenoming being worth it

[tulip willow]

cant blame them tho id rather just say in the talent that it only applies on first 3 than it being a bug

[daring imp]

ops

2*

fml

[cold inlet]

I prefer Exsang over TB

[warm hatch]

U mean like spamming ct on 2 targ?

[jovial kite]

@tulip willow then they admit they are shit though

[cold inlet]

TB feels bad on M+ trash

[warm hatch]

Or just keeping the dot

[daring imp]

and 3+ just plainly pop ct

[jovial kite]

highly unlikely

[daring imp]

no not spamming ct

just the dot

if they live enough

[warm hatch]

Ill try it in my keys tomorrow LUL

[tropic pike]

I’m not too sure how to use wxsang properly

exsang

[cold inlet]

I tried CT spam vs other finishers and the dmg difference is marginal

[warm hatch]

Pugs when they chain pull and dont let you restealth

[daring imp]

refresh garrote/rupture before popping exsang

[warm hatch]

Is a pepehands

[tulip willow]

the whole azerite system is fucked this xp fucking hunter got a talent get a 400 percent buff u know the balance team fucked up when something needs a 400 perccent bugg

buff

[daring imp]

@cold inlet how many targets

[cold inlet]

usually 3

[warm hatch]

@cold inlet how do u use exsang on like just normal aoe pad (eg. No prio target)

[vernal wind]

do we still use exhang if we're not running SS traits?

[cold inlet]

3 is the odd line where fok may or may not be worth it due to crits

[steel abyss]

ugh i want to play sin but sub is simming 759 dps higher in ST and even more in MT 😦

[warm hatch]

Do u still just pop it on cd after ur intial garrote+rupture?

[jovial kite]

i have the inverse problem

[cold inlet]

@warm hatch If you want to use it and there is no priority target in the pulled pack or the next one just pick the highest hp mob

[jovial kite]

i dont want to play sub but it sims shit because i have 20% haste

and i must play sub for zul

[dusky tinsel]

ughhh so my highest simming gear combination doesn't include 1 SS trait, not sure how I feel about that...

[warm hatch]

Kk

So i shouldnt worry about it too much

[cold inlet]

@steel abyss Could be your stats, Sub is good with burst aoe

[warm hatch]

Just try get all ruptures up b4 thinking about it

Or just use on cd

[tulip willow]

if ct spam works id be over the moon as i respect rotations that u can turn your brain off to specually when your hours into m plus farming i dont wanna be constantly solving equations whenever encountering a pack of mobs

[warm hatch]

Thats the fun lul

I like knowing all the little niche stuff

[daring imp]

well general rule is 3+ mobs per pack just don't even touch envenom

( if you have ct )

[cold inlet]

CT does decent damage on use, if you spam you forgo the dot

[dusky tinsel]

pandemic for CT is 2 seconds right?

[tulip willow]

me to kini but in raid not the 20th tol u done in a day

[daring imp]

3.6, no?

[warm hatch]

True LUL

[dusky tinsel]

I'm probably mistaken, sub main

wanting to change to sin but sims

[desert pelican]

30% pandemic

[daring imp]

well it's mainly traits/optimized gear issue 😛

[dusky tinsel]

yeah, all my 370+ gear is bis for sub, and shit sin traits

[warm hatch]

3x SS still sims highest for me for ST cause no archive/lazer yet FeelsBadMan

[solemn wigeon]

don't forget to vote for ted cruz in early november

[tulip willow]

in raid i wanna be doing everything perfect but u can only do that so long grinding m plus before u start losing your sanity

would vote but im Australian

[ashen lagoon]

/wa

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[glass compass]

In yall's opinions which mythics are the easiest this week?

[tulip willow]

sige of b is fucked

[cold inlet]

CT is hard to gauge dmg wise. It was my 4th highest in ML 8 within 600k for 2nd but it doesnt separate the initial hit vs the dot in details

[tulip willow]

the teaming makes it a absolute bitch

[cold inlet]

I actually just did a SOB earlier this morning

[tulip willow]

especially when the tank taunt nerfs come in

[warm hatch]

Its fine when u skip left

[daring imp]

@cold inlet you sure the dot doesn't add up on the dmg showing there?

[glass compass]

Ct is better than PB cuz tanks can't move mobs outta CT

[warm hatch]

Dont do any of the 1st trash

[tulip willow]

untill the tank gets thrown over the edge

and loses all agro

[warm hatch]

Lul

[tulip willow]

fun times

[cold inlet]

@daring imp It adds both together on details unless mine is bugged and isnt splitting them up

[daring imp]

i always see like crits 3k and something

[cold inlet]

I was getting at CT spam and looking at Initial hit total vs dot damage

[daring imp]

and some normal damages 800~1000

when looking details

the initial hit can't hit 800~1000 unless i do low cp cts and i never do low cp cts @_@"

[tulip willow]

wjhat u guys up to in raid content just curoius

im 3/4 though heroic with guild

[daring imp]

pugging 8/8h

guild 4/8h

[autumn bloom]

We're on vectis

[glass compass]

None, I'm casual af running +2-5 M+s

[autumn bloom]

Just downed fetid

[tulip willow]

congrats fetid was a cunt for us

[autumn bloom]

Yeah that fight sucks

Rogues have it nice tho

[tulip willow]

our guild is super mele heavey

[autumn bloom]

Oof

I'm one of the only melee luckily

[tulip willow]

and the bot b4 guthoon got us stumped

fucking orbs

[autumn bloom]

Yeah I don't like ghuun

I hate the orb shit

[glass compass]

Is the orb shit like lady vashj style?

[tulip willow]

u gota get it down the hallway as fast as posible

[glass compass]

Throwing it between people?

[tulip willow]

luck for us we gota couple of locks and warrior so the charge plus portal help a tone

yea gotta throw it

down a corridor

and u cant drop it or ya fucked

[glass compass]

Sounds fun if y'all are super coordinated.. prolly hell if not

[tulip willow]

pugs are cancer on it

[autumn bloom]

It's not so bad with voice

We have two locks as well

[tulip willow]

depends on the kind of people you get

[autumn bloom]

Makes it much easier

[tulip willow]

my mate was on the guthun fight for 18 hours

with a group

the closest they got was 2 percent

[rich olive]

That's dedication.

[glass compass]

God damn that's determination

[tulip willow]

this is heroic btw

not even mythic

[autumn bloom]

That's ... Not fun

[glass compass]

Can't wait for lfr ghuun

That'll be a trip

[tulip willow]

i was in there for a bit the discord was fucked people just fucking screaming at eachouther the entire time

5 people trying to be raid lead

[autumn bloom]

That's the worst

I like straight up turn down ppl who talk during raid

[tulip willow]

they had like over 100 wipes

[glass compass]

Yea that was my guild for m archi, prolly why we racked up 700 wipes on him

[autumn bloom]

Low key, if you're not my rl...STFU

[tulip willow]

i never got to m archi but from but had a couple mates quit raiding cAUSE OF him

that fight broke guillds

[glass compass]

We would be been fine if our two tanks didn't break up and start acting like children during tyrant

So we barely dragged ourselves thru xhul Manny and archi

[tulip willow]

were u playing rogue then dom

[glass compass]

Yup Sub

[tulip willow]

nice i started rogue in wod b4 that i was a pallie from bc to wod

feel like rogue is in a better or worse play compaired to legion

[glass compass]

Sin is fine, haven't really liked sub since WoD, and I still love outlaw

[tulip willow]

kinda miss the weapon traits

[autumn bloom]

Idk about better or worse

But we have less buttons

That rarely feels good

I miss artifacts bad

And I hate azerite

[glass compass]

Azerite sucks when u farm 3x a trait for it to get nerfed

[tulip willow]

amen bro

legit got the 3rd trait the day b4 nerf

[glass compass]

Tho tbh if u didn't see the deadshot nerfs or SS nerfs coming u were blind

[tulip willow]

now i fucking hold onto every piece i get

[hollow stone]

Lfr ghuun prob wont have a slow or root on the orbs, my guess

[glass compass]

Still sucks tho

[hollow stone]

Make it easy

[autumn bloom]

Traits are doomed to be irrelevant. Blizzard doesn't like there being 'best' traits so id imagine soon you can just pick the generic trait on every piece and it won't even matter

[tulip willow]

i honstly didnt think it get nerfed so qucik remeber the time where fire mages where top by a shit load they didnt get touched for ages

[hollow stone]

New traits in 8.1 will prob be best so we hate ourselves having to farm new new traits. Yaaaay. Fun.

[gleaming geyser]

Im totally fine with overperforming traits being nerfed (SS in this case) but then azerite armor needs to be more accessible, be it through raids or m+

[glass compass]

I really like the SS rotation, that opener is smooth like butter

[tulip willow]

id like if traits changed gameplay style not just raw numbers

less passive more acitve

ss roation is a exception ovecourse

yea

fuck it being only mO

legit u dontget the trait u need and u got raid that week bad luck nothing u can do

[gleaming geyser]

I dont mind nerfs when its only across the board number tuning, it feels worse when you get pigeon holed into a specific setup

[tulip willow]

like we did with ss

[gleaming geyser]

Right

[tulip willow]

also affliction lock got the complete dick aslo

[gleaming geyser]

I would of liked to see a token system where you redeem an azerite piece similar to old tier

[tulip willow]

all stat weights got completly reveresed

[gleaming geyser]

With a few options per boss

[tulip willow]

and all axerite gear had to be changed

[glass compass]

How come it's always afflic that's the op lock spec, feel bad for any locks that love demo or destro

[tulip willow]

my mate had to get a entire new set every bis got changed

b4 nerf 15k dps after like 8 popping everyhing

[glass compass]

Lol yea that would suck, at least for us SS is still really good in m+

[tulip willow]

yea hes fucking furious

had to sit out of heroic verctis cause hes dps got that fucjed

now thats a feels bad man

especially since he was topping

b4

[glass compass]

Yea lol, it is rare to get sat as a rogue. Even if ur deeps ain't top we can cheese shit

[gleaming geyser]

I have a hard time believing that if we're talking rogue

[tulip willow]

na lock mate

[gleaming geyser]

Gotcha

[tulip willow]

was just compairing that we all lost our shit when the nerf hit but atlest we aint affliction lock

they got it even worse

they also have there own garrot bug

[gleaming geyser]

I was about to say lol. Before tuning, I was running 1 ss 2 lm and I lost about 1k patchwerk DPS

People tend to hyperbole and overreact everything

[tulip willow]

where they cant dot more than a couple mobs b4 theredps plumentts

cant lie this xp has not been the greatest

[gleaming geyser]

Oh for sure, I think everyone agrees on that

[glass compass]

What is the garrote bug? Is that where the SS buff garrotes get unbuffed sometimes?

[tulip willow]

yea

[sleek jetty]

!ss

[prisma monolith]

Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

[glass compass]

Ohhh ok

Thought it was random

[gleaming geyser]

If you're not running SS, you should still be fine to keep garroting out of subt

[tulip willow]

na blizzard makes us play around a bugged mechanic

[mellow pasture]

When should i use sharpened blades

[glass compass]

Well at least u can kinda control the bug, I thought it was just randomly happening

[mellow pasture]

during 10% bufff and toxic blades?

[tulip willow]

whats worse its its not really mentioned anywhere so like if i dint use this discord id be fucked

[upper rover]

Is assassination the best all around spec right now?

[gleaming geyser]

Its physical so TB doesnt buff iirc, but during EP if possible yes

[glass compass]

For the most part yea

[mellow pasture]

ok cool.

[glass compass]

@upper rover

[tulip willow]

pronoob honnestly just play what u like the most thats the main thing

[gleaming geyser]

I think a few SB builds run master assassin talent too

So you can line it up with vanish

[mellow pasture]

ya i could see why

[glass compass]

I think all 3 specs are super close atm

[tulip willow]

unless your doing mythic raiding it isnt that important

[mellow pasture]

but subt is more important for adds ya know

[upper rover]

I'm fairly new to rogue and will be doing more mythic+ than raiding

so I'm not fully sure what I like yet 😄

[gleaming geyser]

Yea, id only run MA ob something like Fetid

[mellow pasture]

and master ass is like a slight slight dps increase for ST

[gleaming geyser]

Or maybe vectis

[tulip willow]

outlaw is probs less complaited for m plua

[glass compass]

Well for m+ sin is currently pretty dominant

[mellow pasture]

even then there is always an add 😛

like the puddles in fetid

[gleaming geyser]

Add priority for prog is huge

[glass compass]

Tho sub and outlaw do m+ great as well

[tulip willow]

but sin is better if u can be bothered with dot mangement

honnestly down to playstyle really

[upper rover]

assassination looks alot of fun, so im gonna work on that.. Is the icy-veins guide a decent guide?

[tulip willow]

yes but sin bfa guide in the discord is also good

[glass compass]

The ravenholdt website has wayyy better guides

[upper rover]

perfect ill use that one

[tulip willow]

i use both that and icey veins

[river echo]

guys

[gleaming geyser]

Hi

[tulip willow]

also use pawn and simulation craft

[glass compass]

^^^^^

[tulip willow]

but that more for min maxey

[river echo]

i trippel stacked [Shrouded Suffocation] but when i use on more then 3 targes it fuckes up?

[white lark]

as outlaw rogue assa seems really complicated for me 😄 i would have to focus on my rotation and would fail on every bossfight

[tulip willow]

!ss

[prisma monolith]

Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

[bright path]

guys I am 110 and I have 2 rings and 1 neck that are ilvl136 but give 18more agility thant my leg and heroic rings and neck which are 184 ilvl and 25 the neck

[glass compass]

If u can't be arsed to use the actual simcraft program, raidbots is good too

[bright path]

what to do?18 agility more each item i mean

[mellow pasture]

damn i had no idea

rip ss

[glass compass]

More noob friendly as well

[gleaming geyser]

@bright path minimal gain and you're not 120

[white lark]

how does assa cleave against alot small adds?

[tulip willow]

@bright path Agil is the most important stat atm so you probs wanna go for whatever gives u the most while lvliing

[river echo]

okay thx1

[bright path]

aight thanks guys!

[tulip willow]

all good fam happy to help out

yes raidbots is really good

[mellow pasture]

its like even if you get a 5ilvl upgrade and it goes from your best to your worst stats its most likely an upgrade

like ouch lol.

[tulip willow]

it say more like if its 15 ilvlsd

then u probs wanna swap it

[gleaming geyser]

If it has a socket, good luck replacing it

[tulip willow]

as a general rull except for axerite gear

thats a whole nother discussion

[glass compass]

Yea I have a blue cape with socket, still hasn't been replaced, tho I'm casual and only 351

[tulip willow]

my ring is 380 with a socket thats with me till the end of the xpac lol

[gleaming geyser]

Cloak has so little secondaries and main stat its barely impossible to replace unless you're talking 20-30 ilvls

Socket

[glass compass]

Yea lol, 325 cape has beaten some 340-350 capes

Tho tbf all those capes had shit stats

[tulip willow]

yea ilvl is less relevant this expac im 360 ilvl but my stating is bad so i prefrom more like a 350 ilvl

way to much versalitility

[glass compass]

At least with sin we scale well with 3 stats currently

Haste mastery and crit

[tulip willow]

my gear got alot of verse and haste so it aint flash

all a work in progress tho

[gleaming geyser]

Haste & Crit are both above agility and then mastery and vers are down there for me

[tulip willow]

its sucks tho cause my passes in raid are always low for the item lvl im at but its like what can i do the gear just hasnt droped yet

with personal loot its alot harder to gear

[glass compass]

When do y'all think master poisoner will be better than EP, or will it ever scale past EP?

[gleaming geyser]

Mastery affecting bleeds means MP will only be used for pvp

[tulip willow]

pexa last time i checked agility was above haste tho they might be just my own sims

[glass compass]

Ahhh yea true pexa

[gleaming geyser]

I dont see it coming back anytime soon unless tjey release poison specific azerite traits, kind of like a more versatile double dose

[tulip willow]

u got the kidney shot bleed XD

[gleaming geyser]

Im above 370 we all have our own weights

Im also using galecallers which bamboozles weights a lot

[tulip willow]

got a badassover here XD

[south magnet]

disc priest

[glass compass]

I wish Shrine wasn't so shit so I could farm up a galecallers

[gleaming geyser]

Nah, I just have a lot of time to play right now :P

[tulip willow]

ive done so many shines

[rain breach]

@glass compass i hope to get 3xDD and sim it with masterpoisener, maybe it is better with this

[south magnet]

does master poisoner affect dd?

[tulip willow]

i have recurring nightmare about the last boss and going into like 10 phases of the rightmare relm with the squids

mp is more of a pvp tallent

[glass compass]

That last boss must be total cancer on tyrannical

[gleaming geyser]

MP affects DP and CP only

From the looks of it

[glass compass]

The 2nd boss as well

[tulip willow]

it too us like 8 min to kill on tyannical

and it wasnt even a super high key

the second boss especially when people forget to interupt

kick is 15 sec cooldown i cant do fucking everyhting lol

[rain breach]

DD is poisons so MP should work with it

[gleaming geyser]

If you're in a premade, last boss isnt too bad. I've had more issues on the 2nd boss on tyran

Also with the bitch resetting her bleeds and poisons

[south magnet]

dd is nature correct

[tulip willow]

yea second boss is generally where ill leave a key on

[south magnet]

im simming higher with ep though

[north terrace]

It's actually the dude's rune that resets our dots

[tulip willow]

if its clear the group just cant pass it

[glass compass]

So is envenom and pbomb but mp doesn't affect them

[gleaming geyser]

This is what MP modifies

Dont overthink things

[south magnet]

gay

[tulip willow]

yea its ass

[prisma crescent]

Hey guys how are you using CT this week? I was trying out in some keys last night (+8,9,10) and wasn't getting much more benefit than Poison Bomb.

[tulip willow]

like it in pvp tho

[rain breach]

DD does increase the poison dmg

So SS does with garrot

[gleaming geyser]

DD applies a poison of itself

The "proc" isnt modified by MP

[south magnet]

fuck ass

[rain breach]

Seems a bug then

Sice mp should affect all poisons

[tulip willow]

i do wish posions build was a full thing

[rain breach]

Since

[tulip willow]

with like max mastery but alas it aint good

[gleaming geyser]

Not a bug, just wrong tooltip

Should mention weapon poisons or dp cp respectively

[south magnet]

pexa = vsauce

[tulip willow]

200 iq

[south magnet]

300 iq

[glass compass]

Yea weapon poisons not any "poison" dmg we do

[gleaming geyser]

Im not bald tho

[tulip willow]

yea thats why i run it in just pvp for the healing reduction

[gleaming geyser]

[south magnet]

hey guys micheal vsauce here

[tulip willow]

your hairline says otherwise XD

[gleaming geyser]

Yo thats low

[south magnet]

HAHHAHAHA

[tulip willow]

jks

[gleaming geyser]

xd

[south magnet]

yikes

[rain breach]

Yeah but maybe it should get work for all poisons to be at the same level withvthe others

[wide gale]

Hi Guys, Did Seliathan/Incarnated Teach You Anything Today , That I missed ??

[tulip willow]

who are they

and what wisdom have i missed from them

[wide gale]

He's The Best ASsassination Rogue In This Server

[south magnet]

make blindside baseline 2k18

[daring imp]

one of the mdi players

a great rogue

[gleaming geyser]

Oh yea I agree with you drago. It should be a %poison damage modifier, I was just clarifying that its not a bug

[tulip willow]

ah ok

[valid moss]

baseline blindside 😍

[south magnet]

😄

[wide gale]

But I consider Him Best Rogue In the World

[south magnet]

opinion

[wide gale]

Facts

[tulip willow]

dose he stream or anything

or she

[south magnet]

you just said you considerd it

[valid moss]

👌 😂

[gleaming geyser]

Baseline blindside would be great, but venom rush would still be useless Kappa

[south magnet]

OPINIONS ARE FOR MINNIONS

[wide gale]

Haters Must Be Slaughtered

Thats Opinion

[daring imp]

i think it's https://www.twitch.tv/incarnated

[south magnet]

thats a opinion*

[wide gale]

An

[daring imp]

yea that one

[south magnet]

well still you said it wrong 😉

[tulip willow]

cheers bud il check it out

[glass compass]

Everyone knows reckful is the best rogue in the world

[south magnet]

yeah 20 years ago

[gleaming geyser]

What year is this

[glass compass]

Lolol

[tulip willow]

still banned lol

[south magnet]

reckful got rekt

[tulip willow]

what happens when u win trade

[glass compass]

Rekt to tears

[raven mica]

It’s like people who continue to say Kripp was the best hunter in the world

[south magnet]

crips and the bloods?

[valid moss]

fanboys all over

[tulip willow]

tbh id like to see him upbanned but then theyd have to unbann everyone else

[vestal abyss]

Guys is the garrote bug still fixed?
The one where you apply a garrote after subterfuge makes all your garrotes tick for less?

not* fixed

[glass compass]

Kripp did something besides hearthstone? I don't believe you

[tulip willow]

!ss

[prisma monolith]

Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

[vestal abyss]

ill take that as a yes?

[gleaming geyser]

@vestal abyss your subt modifier still works

[south magnet]

sweet

[gleaming geyser]

The SS modifier goes away

[south magnet]

pexa is r1 rogue

[tulip willow]

yep spellar still bugged

[vestal abyss]

fucked up

[tulip willow]

trust be this chat would be flipping shit if it got fixed

[gleaming geyser]

El jefe is #1 cutie

[south magnet]

😄

[tulip willow]

on a unrelated note

is rogue transmog complete ass

or is it just me

[gleaming geyser]

Leather is ass

[south magnet]

is it just me or is the assas rogue talent tree super boring compared to other classes/specs

[valid moss]

depends from your race

[gleaming geyser]

Pretty boring and some talents completely nulifie other ones

[south magnet]

no leathers tmogs are ass

[tulip willow]

the only set i kinda like is the naxx 25 man one

[south magnet]

but its all passive

[tulip willow]

im talking about full sets

[gleaming geyser]

For example, you cant use blindside and venom rush

[tulip willow]

not ya sexmog

[south magnet]

venom rush death anyway

[tulip willow]

or ya creative shit

[vestal abyss]

i love rogue sets

bonescythe is amazing

[tulip willow]

bonescyth

which one is that

[gleaming geyser]

T3

[valid moss]

only viable rog set > https://gyazo.com/5c20ae562844de06502baa111ec535bb

[south magnet]

VIABLE

[valid moss]

viaeblae

vieablerbe

[south magnet]

i like the glad set

[gleaming geyser]

Full sets in 2k18

[south magnet]

from bfa

[gleaming geyser]

[south magnet]

but the warrior set is like 20x better

[valid moss]

plate chosen mog was cool

but leather one, yikes

[solid nova]

#transmog

[gleaming geyser]

Yea big yikes

[south magnet]

#transmog in 2k18

[tulip willow]

i hate the dread glad helm

[vestal abyss]

i kinda like nine tails too

[tulip willow]

my char cant see out of it

[valid moss]

2k18 in 2k18

[tulip willow]

tho i play a gnome so everything looks 1000 times worse on me

[south magnet]

i can see

[tulip willow]

gonns be race changing to dark iron very soon

yea in myne u cant see my eyes at all

[solid nova]

@south magnet Take it to transmog, i wont ask again

[south magnet]

me? i didnt start it 😄

[solid nova]

Youre continuing.

[south magnet]

indeed i am

[wide gale]

@south magnet Have Some Respect.

[south magnet]

i have respect

what did i do wrong?

[wide gale]

You Clrearly Do

Hi My God, Is It Worth Using Mastery +40 Gems In All My gear For m+ ?

[tulip willow]

what u think about dark iron dwarf ratial for assinationv

do ratials matter anymore for dps

[marble hemlock]

go crit, and please dont ping me

[wide gale]

Simming Is Hungery for Mastery

[valid moss]

ratials

they are like 1% difference

check herodamage/bloodmallet or just sim yourself with different races

[tulip willow]

like idk how much my 1 percent haste bonus effects assination

i feel like its was more relivant in vanilla

[valid moss]

troll is "best" race for Assa I belive

[tulip willow]

for the advantage it gave

[iron prism]

Then go to bloodmallet and check

[tulip willow]

that dose troll get again

[iron prism]

It’s like a 100 dps difference

[valid moss]

but like if you go undead, its not like you gonna go 5k dps down if you know what I mean

[karmic mortar]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[tulip willow]

is it like berzerk so something

[valid moss]

ye it's <1% difference, play whatever you like

[timid grotto]

when I vanish during first vendetta

do I want to go 2x garrote + rupture?

[tulip willow]

the guide is your best source of info on that

[hollow stone]

Elaborate, @timid grotto. Is this your 2nd vend/van of the fight? Are you using ss?

Ah. During first

If youre running ss, you was to g env/rup g

[keen pike]

is it best to get vendetta off before subterfuge falls off

i feel like its close on time

[supple compass]

do you guys have a mastery build for m+, or do you just use the same as raid

[wide gale]

Seliathan Taught Us To Use 2 Diff Builds. Raids Needs More HAste Unlike Dung They Need Mastery And Crit

[tulip willow]

makes sense dun encouters are shoters so u want more isntant damage

where boss fights drag out so u want more enengy and sustain over time

[high siren]

top m+ rogues still play sin right ?

[tulip willow]

most i believe

[high siren]

still can't decide what spec to play, switched ton sub this week, but not feeling it good

[tulip willow]

i like ass feels more frreeeing

sub feels very ridged

[fossil agate]

Sub feels like the wrong awnser on basically everything ATM

[tulip willow]

not real wrong answer sub stilll prefroms well

honneslty how u pref to play i always hated sub having to be behind the boss at all times idk if its still like that to

[vestal wren]

obviouse one:
what spec is best on zul mythic 😛?

[tulip willow]

whatever makes u happpy

tho thats a cop out answer

[vestal wren]

sure 🤔

[tulip willow]

defs keen to see what they do with assin in 8.1

[vestal wren]

does sin need a lot of changes, i feel like the spec is in a place where it does not scream for attention

[tulip willow]

not really but not the most interactive thing to play

keep dot up = good

[vestal wren]

you speak of the spec that was the lowest apm spec for an entire xpack

it had and partly still has some interactive things to play around

but the spec was always "keep dots up and be gucci"

[tulip willow]

yea idk feel like they could spice it up a bit

idk what with tho

[vestal wren]

bring back kingsbane 🤔

[tulip willow]

poss

[jovial kite]

kingsbane would be great

now that you cant just roll ur face on keyboard and do dps

would bring another layer to env uptime management

and therefore energy management

[tulip willow]

like for example frost mage is all about keeping your mana around 60 percent to continu with big burst phases

its very different

[vestal wren]

sin in legion was also not exactly rocket science 😉

[tulip willow]

wouldnt mind rogue going im a more unique direction

[jovial kite]

yeah but with overabundance of energy

all you really needed was pb procs

your envuptime was neglible

in the end

[tulip willow]

sin just feels very safe i guess

once u got the rotation down

not much u can really mess up on

no real way to outprefrom other rogues

[jovial kite]

i mean if your uptimes are bad it shows

moreso with tb than exsang though

[tulip willow]

weakauras fixes all tho uptime issues

[dusky tiger]

hi guys, triple garot is still worth it for mm+?

[cold inlet]

I think so from my own exp in M+, also feel Exsang is way better than TB for them

[tulip willow]

i still using it and it feels good tho

i havnt had much oppertunity to use many other traits yet

[inland knot]

3 x Sharpened Blade is the new meta ?

or stick to SS ?

[tulip willow]

i hope not lol

wed be turning into a ranged class lol

cool concept tho

[lapis sigil]

For sin we get one uldir azerite trait then 2x sharpened blade ?

[inland knot]

or Double Dose ? because if you look at bloodmallet. 3 x Double Dose or SHaprpened Blade is > SS

[tulip willow]

check bloodmallet in stacking trates aswell

some preform better than other when stacking

like 3ss is still not bad when stacking them

[onyx rock]

just use what you get and that's what's going to sim the highest

[dusky tiger]

Actually sim always put SB on top 😦

[inland knot]

Sharpened Blade and Dobule Dose even perform at 2 x better than SS

[dusky tiger]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5yLX6V4E1LeH9NQR1zR8hx

[tulip willow]

SB for me feels to awkward to use

the only time i ever use pn is in pvp when im chasing someone who is running

also

magic remeber that your simm on patchwerk

that means no moveing no doging mechanics

that sim is in a prefect synario which never really happens in raid

[dusky tiger]

what is the best fight style to sim?

[inland knot]

so sin now confirmed range DD ?

[tulip willow]

still patch for single target but just remeber that your own numbers wont be that high unless your attacking a target dummy

[inland knot]

so then. what are you guys running ? i have uldir trait + 2x SS

[tulip willow]

all we need now if for rogue to be able to use guns again get us shooting posion bullets

[dusky tiger]

i know, i don't speak about number, it's about azerite trait

[inland knot]

still doing good. but.... i hate that there are better ones now

[tulip willow]

i got 1 uldir 1 ss for the combo points and miss one of the one for multilate

[rain breach]

So with 3x double dose its better to run TB than exs?

[dusky tiger]

1 ss look low on sim but it's so comfortable to play with this trait

[tulip willow]

probs since you got my fill time with multiate

more

agree the combo points are worth it more in the long run

[reef frigate]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[tulip willow]

means getting your finishers out faster

so technically more dps

someone probs done the math on it somewhere

[dusky tiger]

î think 1ss, 1archiv and 1 lm or 1ss and 2ss is the must

[tulip willow]

that sounds good

now the hard part is actually getting the traits

[strange python]

Anyone know if laser matrix will pull mobs you arent in combat with in M+?

[dusky tiger]

can we know which open fight do the simcraft?

[high siren]

yeah

[dusky tiger]

no but can pull extra mobs lol i did it 😦

[high siren]

you can, there is the actions list

[dusky tiger]

Ok thx

[strange python]

As I undertand it, you would want archive and 2x double dose or 2x sharpened blades for single target raid boss, and 3x ss for m+ still.

[fading spade]

!ss

[prisma monolith]

Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

[fading spade]

confirmed this is no longer an issue

i was testing it in WQs today

i applied 2 garrotes from stealth, waited til subterfuge dropped. applied it to another target didnt lose buff according to tooltip

the empowered ones stayed empowered

[dusky tiger]

but the 4th you will, i think

[shell owl]

It isn’t about the number of garrote applied. It’s about applying it outside of subterfuge

[velvet kernel]

^^

no

[dusky tiger]

oh

[velvet kernel]

maybe

[fading spade]

i did apply it outside subterfuge

[velvet kernel]

idk

try it with 4 dude

and see

[dusky tiger]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yK-braGC9D4

[safe sequoia]

3x empowered garrotes > 4x non-empowered?

[split fjord]

hi everybody and sry for my english , i have a question and i can t find why by myself so if u can help it would be pretty sweet

[fading spade]

so maybe if its only if u garrote 3?

[shell owl]

“Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge...”
Does matter if you apply 1 or 3, if you then applied it outside of subterfuge any previously empowered would no longer be empowered.

Doesn’t*

[fading spade]

according to my tooltip they are still empowered

imma go test on dummies rn

[shell owl]

Right, but are they actually empowered. You’d need to check logs to confirm the damage is still accurately empowered. It’s a bug, you can’t trust those sneaky tool tips

@split fjord ask your question mate

[daring iron]

Yeah just do a test with three empowered ones, look at the average damage in details and then try it with a 4th after subterfuge and check details.

[primal tendon]

How do you guys find Assassination in M+? Im still running Sub but getting pretty damn bored with it

[daring iron]

If the second case did less damage it’s bugged lol

[shell owl]

All specs are fun and viable imo. I don’t like sub myself, but I switch between Sin and Outlaw for dungeons

[daring iron]

Sin really likes SS in m+, might want a couple of those before swapping or your dps might be significantly lower

[split fjord]

thx bregin

[shell owl]

True. I have 3x SS myself. It’s wonderful for instances with several casters

[winter gale]

Tell me guys

Should I stick to atleast 1ss in raiding ?

[split fjord]

i just want to know if its normal i can apply more then 60 70% of time elaborate planning cause i think i lose dps and i don t know what to do to dps more

[daring iron]

Probably, depends on what you want to replace it with.

[dusky tiger]

actually i play with only 1 ss and i'm like "wtf i don't do any dmg...."

[winter gale]

I had all 3 but then made it into just one but even that one is worse than Archieve on my sims

And best talents for me are EP+MA

[strange python]

To get a decent idea of your m+ dps, sim for 60 sec hectic add cleave.

[winter gale]

Maaan, I am already tired of what should play and how 😄

[daring iron]

In raid you always want 1 archive or laser matrix

[signal blade]

is sin viable for pve or more of pvp spec?

[daring iron]

It’s more than viable. All rogue specs are lol

[winter gale]

I have 2 Archieves and 1 Laser @daring iron

[signal blade]

good to know

[daring iron]

@winter gale you only really need 1 for the passive you get in Uldir, other traits tend to pull ahead of them after that

[signal blade]

i really think rogue is most fun melee in teh game, i was playing arms warrior for a while and it is mind numbingly boring

[cinder lotus]

1

[summer tapir]

Whats the command to bring up the Weakauras list?

[winter gale]

I should go back to that one SS trait to keep my opener ?

Im lost totally 😄

[cinder lotus]

What about 1 archiv and 2 SS?

[calm bough]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[summer tapir]

ty Kerzha!!

[daring iron]

@winter gale probably, I would aim it just in case

@cinder lotus that should be fine, SS is still really strong

[cinder lotus]

Even in raid?

[daring iron]

Yeah.

[cinder lotus]

Thanks @daring iron i been wondering what should i be using since we got nerf. Even thought to reroll to another class Lol

[shell owl]

Even on ST w/ pandemic you get good usage w/ vanish and exsanguinate

[cinder lotus]

But i just cant quit rogue

[shell owl]

Rogues are still strong. Very much so. No reason to reroll

[daring iron]

DD is a bit stronger for single target so search for pieces with that, or sharpened blades although I dislike the trait tbh

[winter gale]

So it would be nice to have 1SS and either one Laser or Archieve?

Whats with the 3rd?

[cinder lotus]

I miss old SS man 😭

[signal blade]

the rogue nerfs toook them from OP to top tier dps. no reason to reroll

[split fjord]

can someone answer to my question pls ?

[signal blade]

plus chasing FOTM classes makes the game less fun

[cinder lotus]

@winter gale SS + archi

[supple compass]

is fathoms bad in m+, i have that harlans and deadeye

and im not sure which combo to use

in m+

[winter gale]

@cinder lotus and 3rd?

Double ss?

[river pawn]

well i misses old ss too but im tired tanks who dont know how to play with rogues in m+

[cinder lotus]

Or Archi + and laser

[river pawn]

that chainpulls

[cinder lotus]

In raid u want 1 Archi and laser

[stiff vortex]

i have a little question , do i refresh Garrot without stealth ? so do i try to get a 100% uptime? or just with vanish and suberfuge?

[cinder lotus]

Keep It uptime

U want garrote and rup Up

[stiff vortex]

thx , is this maybe the reson why my meele dmg was every time on top?

[split fjord]

i have a question too, its normal i can't apply more then 60 70% of time elaborate planning cause i think i lose dps and i don t know what to do to dps more

[floral moat]

You use Subterfuge without any ss? right now running 2 DD 1 achieve

[cinder lotus]

If u have vanish available wait for the garrote to fadeoff and do it from vanish

[daring iron]

@winter gale DD, another SS.

[signal blade]

should my first finisher be rupture or envenom

[north leaf]

Rupture

[cinder lotus]

Rup

[daring iron]

@split fjord that’s normal uptime for elaborate planning. There’s no feasible way to keep it around 100%

[split fjord]

ty @daring iron

[north leaf]

Just make sure you pool properly so your EP is most efficient

[obsidian loom]

Yeah garrote Rup garrote mut 4+ rup @regal drum

[autumn robin]

What are the best traits now?

[split fjord]

what do you mean by properly? @north leaf

[north leaf]

If you see your rupture is around 15 seconds and you have 5 cp I find it more efficient to pool until I know I have enough for an envenom, 2 mutilates, and then refresh my rupture.

[winter gale]

@daring iron No SS sims best for me

0.7% better than Laser/SS/Archieve and 1.5% better than Double SS/ LASER or Double SS/Archieve

[split fjord]

i never refresh rupture until last 7 sec was not good ?

[north leaf]

That's what you are supposed to do, if you time it properly you're getting an extra 10% from my understanding of EP

[gleaming geyser]

Maximizing ur pandemic is good, but managing EP and better envenom pooling affects ur rupture application

You wont refresh at 7 every time

[split fjord]

oh okey , so if my ep its close down and i don t have 4cp or 5 cp i have to refresh rupture ( if the time is less than 15 sec ) to keep up ep ??

[dusky tiger]

^what is the best shoulder 385 with DD or 355 with archi?385 i think but want to be sure

[gleaming geyser]

Not necessarily. Like in best case scenario, you would always reapply rupture at 7, have 100% ep and envenom uptime during TB and apply garrote ay 5.4

But with seal fate variance, you have to make compromises

[solemn wigeon]

ted cruz just won the debate gg

[split fjord]

i understand ty pexa

[dusky tiger]

if i sim, he will put this fucking SB trait as bis 😦

[gleaming geyser]

@dusky tiger simming yourself for patchwerk dps, DD will most likely come ahead. With that said, archive is more versatile and applies to more than just pure ST

You would run archive in m+ over DD because you wont be mutilating often

[north leaf]

In M+ I generally opt for Shifting sands if I don't have another AotT to run

[signal blade]

where can i find a good sin PVP spec

[gleaming geyser]

Could ask in the pvp channel

[north leaf]

There's a link in the PvP pins

[split fjord]

does my pull is correct if i garrote rupture garrote toxic blade evenom mutilate x2 evenom ?

[vestal abyss]

MP, Subterfuge, Vigor, the feint thing, Internal bleeding, Toxic Blade, System shock, creepingvenom/Mind Nunbingm

@split fjord Do you have SS?

[split fjord]

ss ?

[tough whale]

Vigor and MFD kind of interchangeable if you want more burst vs sustained rot, no? I mostly see pika running mfd

[vestal abyss]

!ss

[prisma monolith]

Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

[split fjord]

yeah i got one stack

[vestal abyss]

If you have to ask its probably better ot run vigor

[daring iron]

In pvp mfd is invaluable, never know when you might need an insta kidney or the b2b envenom

[autumn bloom]

B2b envenom in vendetta tb is so gross

Especially with system shock

[gleaming geyser]

@split fjord yea thats the opener (assuming you forgot to include vendetta before TB)

[split fjord]

why should i do that ? actually i use it just when garrot is close outtime with my vanish to reup my garrote

[autumn bloom]

Using vanish offensively

Is something I try to avoid doing

[supple compass]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7MiJsotZLTjigVTBCj6XGS

[autumn bloom]

It's probably our best defensive

Oh fuck I'm not in pvp

Why do I do this

[supple compass]

anybody know why haste is simming so high for hectoc add cleave

instead of crit/mastery

[gleaming geyser]

Then you can vanish and double garrote again

Because you are running SS and you get the most out of ur garrote dmg and completely ignore seal fate RNG

[vestal abyss]

in 2v2 i prefer vigor

[gleaming geyser]

Sorry LTE connection derped

[supple compass]

ah gotcha

[split fjord]

the damage are less important when i do that

[daring iron]

@supple compass bcauss you set it to 5 minutes

[gleaming geyser]

Im not sure what you mean by that

[supple compass]

^

[daring iron]

Because*

You set the fight time to 5 minutes, haste gets a lot of value over a prolonged period

And how often to you see a hectic add cleave scenario go on for 5 minutes lol

[gleaming geyser]

If you garrote twice on opener, you deal more damage over the course of your vendetta... Thats just how math works

With SS*

[split fjord]

@gleaming geyser when i use my vendetta before using tb i do less damage compare to use with vanish garrotex2 evenom after my pull

[vestal abyss]

I wouldnt use SS on single target tbh

But if you do its G, R, G, V, TB, etc etc

[daring iron]

Running two SS and an archive/laser with exang is still really strong

[winter gale]

Im using 1xSS /1X Laser /1x Archieve

[vestal abyss]

Im running a 370 TKK over a 340 SS

TTK

[winter gale]

2xArchieve sims best for me but without SS trait my best 2nd row talent is Master Assassin.

[vestal abyss]

I can see that

[winter gale]

I dont want to play like that and 20 mins above someone told me that I dont need more than 1 trait from uldir, Archieve or Laser and more than one is useles

😄

[dusky tiger]

ARe you playing with exsang? @winter gale

[winter gale]

No

Toxic Blade

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uXwRn99BwTYSnze498k4RU

[vestal abyss]

Anyway, can we talk Mythrax for a min?

Do yall just dot up the mind shingalings and run on or stay

[visual token]

On heroic it depends on how many people we have. 20+ there are a lot more adds so I dot as much as possible.

Less I just single target or focus clusters of adds

I’m not pro though

[vestal abyss]

I have a hard time predicting how long adds will live

I wonder if a 3 cp rupture will be enough

I need to get better at picking targets

[winter gale]

Is it ok to have to Archieve X2 and 1x Laser Matrix

Or its better to switch one with SS?

[rain breach]

2xdd 1xss sims better than 3xss for me, will se when i get my 3th dd. But still like the +cp with SS

[fervent hearth]

question: why do we double garrote?

[rain breach]

For the empowered one stay longer

[fervent hearth]

i see. i don't like how that pushes our DPS, because it feels wasteful to renew garrote immediately, but i understand now.

[compact void]

hey guys , how should i play in aoe situation ? please 😄

i know for the pin but i'd like to know how to play more in depth

with assa players 😄

[vestal abyss]

I dont think the pins dont provide tha tmuch information tb

Anyway, for 3+ targets:
Garrote 3 of em (NOT MORE)
Rupture
FoK twice
Rupture the next one
FoK twice
Rupture the next one
FoK twice
Rupture the next one
FoK twice
Crimson Tempest

[maiden siren]

isnt it better to use CT earlier?

[vestal abyss]

I dont think so

but im not confident

[maiden siren]

thats a solid 25sec with rapurtes and FOK

using garrot on 3 > CT > Fok Fok > rupture >repeat would be better nah?

[compact void]

What if i FoK twice and i have no luck so i'm at 2 cp i don't care and i rupture or i generate more cp ?

[vestal abyss]

Well, rupture generates energy, CT does not

[compact void]

What if i FoK twice and i have no luck so i'm at 2 cp i don't care and i rupture or i generate more cp ?

[vestal abyss]

Depends on mob health

if a mob will live the full rupture duration its worth it

[compact void]

to use it with only 2 cp ?

if i have no luck

on FoK

[maiden siren]

depends on the mobs

[vestal abyss]

It depends on whether or not the mob will live the extra 3 foks and rupture duration

[maiden siren]

should mention that you should start reapplying garrote when it runs off

[vestal abyss]

depends

if the mobs will live another 18 seconds just vanish and garrote

[kind light]

is it worth using CT on boss in m+?

[maiden siren]

no

if its pure single target

if its one that spawns tiny adds yeah

[compact void]

@vestal abyss Anyway ty ! 😄

[flint swift]

May not be optimal but I get rupture up on 1 target before I CT purely for the energy regen

[maiden siren]

hm ye it makes sense

more energy > more FoK

[vestal abyss]

Top damage for 3 targets for 40 seconds:
G, G, G, R, Vendetta, FoK to 4-5 cp, Rupture, repeat for up to 4 targets, CT

imho