assassination

[tough whale]

Just time the add deaths

[sinful lotus]

Without SB would you still use MA?

[tough whale]

They should be dead by 75% on 2nd sdd

[little sparrow]

Weird @inner pulsar big yikes if I forgot to change to my raid gear lmao

[tough whale]

Caster add*

[outer acorn]

@sinful lotus just sim

[hollow stone]

Ok. Our timing was around there

[tough whale]

Then you're fine

[lime briar]

With SB and at 30 stacks, should you still wait to poisoned knife until you have EP up?

[sinful lotus]

@outer acorn I have. MA is slightly ahead

[daring imp]

likely not, i always time the vanish/vendetta for 25+ stacks on SB so i almost fully optimize the sb gain with MA @sinful lotus

[outer acorn]

@lime briar yup

[hollow stone]

I dont want to farm an outlaw mh and respec az pieces for 1 boss :/

[tough whale]

Nah not worth

[little sparrow]

Idk how you guys can play SB

[tough whale]

Do get a sub set though

[sinful lotus]

@daring imp I'm running 2DD and 1SoB, even though MA still sims slightly higher, not sure if it's worth it?

[tough whale]

Fetid and zul are BIG for sub

[inner pulsar]

@little sparrow Your mythic Taloc from tuesday shows 3xSS for instance

[hollow stone]

My sub set is ready to go but i was beating out our sub rogue on zek overall (add n boss)

[outer acorn]

yeah SB is really shit to play

but if its better than anything else

[hollow stone]

Oh yeah. My body is prepared for sub zul

[tough whale]

It's just because of CD timings in fetid

[outer acorn]

why shouldnt i give it a go

[tough whale]

You'll have symbols up every corpuscle

[daring imp]

i'm not sure the optimal rotation to do in that cast, prob tb>env>mut @sinful lotus

[little sparrow]

Whoops @inner pulsar that's awkward my raid gear sims like 2k dps higher lmao

[hollow stone]

Yea. That makes sense

[sinful lotus]

@daring imp Ok cool, thank you.

[little sparrow]

Now I know where to gain more dps though

[tough whale]

Roo emotes are life

[little sparrow]

I don't know if I'd say SB is better to play than anything else

[inner pulsar]

@little sparrow Hey, I helped !

[little sparrow]

Blindly following sims isn't the way, my bruddas

[tough whale]

Feels good to not have to play sb cause any sb peice you get wont beat what you have atm

[inner pulsar]

But yea, just double checked, definitely had SS on tuesday haah

[daring imp]

SB probably isn't the better one to play but it certainly is fulfulling to do so

[little sparrow]

Big gains next reset

If it was straight up ST then yeah SB would be awesome but with all the variables in the current raid I'd think SS or DD

[tough whale]

Eh the silver lining of the shit azerite system is I cant farm a good ilevel sb, so /shrug

[dawn merlin]

i hate sb, and I am actually getting slightly better dps from 2 DD than 2 SB

which is great

[inner pulsar]

@little sparrow Well thats not exactly fair right? You really hate SB, so it wouldnt be best for you, but for people who don't mind it, that may be their best trait

[tough whale]

Even if you really hate it. If its that much better you play it

Its raiding mentality

[little sparrow]

I don't think any of the Uldir pieces are SB are they?

[tough whale]

None

[daring imp]

sb helps out even with switching targets

[little sparrow]

Because those are our BiS off ilevel alone

[tough whale]

Aside from cache

Rng :^)

[daring imp]

sure doesn't help out on cleave/aoe but again that's why ss got nerfed lul

[dawn merlin]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gKukS67zDYgVhCBrd6BBkU

[inner pulsar]

@little sparrow No DD in Uldir either

[dawn merlin]

2xx dd slightly better /shrug

[tough whale]

Theres an ss in uldir. rest of the traits are behind archive /lasee

[little sparrow]

It's SS/Archive/LM in Uldir

[daring imp]

how much mastery, @dawn merlin ?

[tough whale]

Chest off ghuun is terrible lmao

[lime briar]

Is it optimal to pool energy so you can Envenom > TB Mut Mut > Envenom to capitalize on EP?

[little sparrow]

What's chest traits? DD?

[inner pulsar]

@little sparrow No way dude

[dawn merlin]

35% cuz i just switched to a couple high ilevel mast/vers items

[tough whale]

No it's the fok one I think

[inner pulsar]

No, there is no DD in Uldir

[dawn merlin]

but even at 30%, 2xdd was better

[tough whale]

LOL

[lime briar]

Or should you pool energy at 4 CP > TB > Envenom > Mut Mut Envenom

[hollow stone]

Ghuun chest has twist

[little sparrow]

1xSS feels bad as fuck too

[hollow stone]

Im using it, but. Its not great

[tough whale]

I'm running 1 ss and it feels fine

[little sparrow]

I hate how low it ticks for

[tough whale]

Ss/dd/archive for me @ 373

[little sparrow]

I got a 385 DiB chest first cache and it's BiS for all 3 specs in raid

[twilit owl]

mh. What traits are your guys running for uldit? 3x SS isnt that good anymore is it

[tough whale]

I got a 385 DD helm

W/ snek eyes

[little sparrow]

My snek set is 370 equipped almost tempted

[hollow stone]

My high ilvl sims best so im using subpar traits: tradewinds, archive, twist. For raid only tho

[inner pulsar]

@little sparrow DiB is stronger than alot of folks give it credit for

[little sparrow]

It is super strong it's just boring

[inner pulsar]

@hollow stone Haha, I've got LM, DD, and Tidal

[prime zephyr]

at the beginning of a fight you can cast four buffed garrotes right?

or is it still three

[tough whale]

3

[inner pulsar]

and had to give up 385 DiB to get the a 370 LM

[little sparrow]

3 buffed garrotes on multi target, 2 on ST

[prime zephyr]

thanks

[hollow stone]

I was gonna say dib would sim higher. But then you dont have array 😩

[inner pulsar]

Yeap

[little sparrow]

I need to get Zul shoulders so I can use my LM head but then no SS

[inner pulsar]

Oh, you know I simmed it bro 😆

[little sparrow]

And I have to use an awkward opener and no exsang as troll

[tough whale]

I need to get new fking daggers. Mother wont give me my allowance

[hollow stone]

Did you tho? @inner pulsar

[little sparrow]

Just get 385 TD dagger from cache @tough whale

[tough whale]

If only. I got a dd helm 385 though so I'm ok with that

[inner pulsar]

Hopefully I will get another Uldir Trait piece and can go back to using the DiB piece

[tough whale]

Rather get mythic azerite than dagger considering mother is cake

[hollow stone]

Yeaaaa. My 385 cache helm is tradewinds or fok trait... but it has symbols trait and another good one for outlul too

[inner pulsar]

@tough whale THank you, Mother is cake, but instead, my team decided to fail on Heroic G'huun for two hours instead

[hollow stone]

Fricken game just wants me to play sub

[tough whale]

Yikes :(

[inner pulsar]

Made zero sence

*sense

[hollow stone]

Yea man, taloc for sure. And mother once you get the strat down are both easier than h ghuun. Imo

[inner pulsar]

Not for gear, not for ranking (recruitment), I think just to screw me

[strange python]

zekvoz CT or pb?

[inner pulsar]

Well we had just smoked M Taloc

[strange python]

or HB?

[tough whale]

I used CT, Its practically a nonfactor though

its just for prettier numbers :^)

[hollow stone]

Depends on difficulty too, me thinks

[tough whale]

Ye

[strange python]

all that matters

lol

[tough whale]

id run PB on anything non mythic

[hollow stone]

Same

[tough whale]

CT is viable on mythic becuase the adds will live through 1.5ish CTs

which will overall do more than PB

[inner pulsar]

Alright, I'm gonna go track down some lunch, ya'll keep simming yo selves

[tough whale]

you dont pay my 15

[hollow stone]

Ok. Back to work

[pliant orbit]

Hello guys, im new to assasination, and im still learning, is there anything i can improve?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/jd9DXFvCQ3abWcxg/#fight=24&type=damage-done&source=567

because my dmg seems quite low

[tough whale]

Time to push m+ score through 1100

[brittle lantern]

Is exsanguinate still a talent option I should be aware of? I see a lot of talk about it, but it never sims higher than TB for me (might be because my gear isn't exactly ideal)

[warm osprey]

how is assa going on m+ after ss nerf ?

[tough whale]

Assa is still phenominal on M+

[stoic trail]

So I'm new here and have done a few sims, but im at work currently and i cant seem to figure out what the current spec/setup should be. I know we took a pretty big hit to SS on tuesday. What is the consensus on single target azerite trait, not including uldir traits. Is it SB or DD. And with that thought process, do my stat weights change to favor poison damage like they do for pvp or do i stay crit haste?

[tough whale]

And you still run SS on m+

[warm osprey]

@tough whale thanks dude

[strange python]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[mossy hazel]

@stoic trail You still want at least 1 SS for CP boost and it's still a huge damage boost as far as I know

[little sparrow]

3x SS exsang/CT in most M+ dungeons

In raid wear your highest sim

[stoic trail]

thanks guys ya'll are great. I've been holding that question for 3 days because of fear of getting backlash from the community.

appreciate the direct answer

[tough whale]

at the end of the day you really just have to sim what you have though, find out what caters to your need based on whats available

Cause thanks to blizz we can't target farm our bis azerite traits so its really wonky

[stoic trail]

lol no kidding

[tough whale]

So even if like DD pulls ahead, if you have a 340 dd but a 385 SS, youre gonna be using the 385 ss

[little sparrow]

Your best azerite trait in raid is literally your highest ilevel almost every time

[tough whale]

^

[little sparrow]

I got 2 hours of work left

[winter cedar]

does anyone have a decent Gatecallers weakaura that tracks both the aura and CD

im hopeless at making them,

[lime briar]

is raidbots the consensus for simming b/w pieces of azerite gear?

[dawn merlin]

what does the opener look like with master assassin / toxic blade atm?

[little sparrow]

Raidbots or just simc yourself with different gear on

[tough whale]

15,908, so close to the 16k club 😢

[strange python]

zul ct? or sub? xD

[tough whale]

sub on M

doesnt matter on anything else

[little sparrow]

Link your sim @tough whale you're way higher than mine and idt our gear is that different

[tough whale]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kMMF4ggXpYgxpKBAJ7kdJR

[daring imp]

which traits are those, friggen?

[tough whale]

DD / Archive / SS

[daring imp]

o fml it shows

dayum

[tough whale]

crit on one ring because of aweird breakpoint when i first got the ring

can prolly get rid of it now

[little sparrow]

Our gear is so similar I don't get It, only big diff is I have 1 shitty ring lol

Wish I would have logged in raid gear to check from here

[warm osprey]

for m+ stats which fight style should I pick on raidbots ?

[little sparrow]

Patchwork 3-5T 40s-1m

[warm osprey]

thanks

[tough whale]

Ye idk what pushes my sims through the roof, im still lower on haste than id like to be

[little sparrow]

I'll have to check when I get home, it's insane If it's just the ring I have some nisu weapons

[daring iron]

385 ss probably helps a lot

[tough whale]

its 370

[daring iron]

DD*

[tough whale]

ye lemme compare it to my 370 helms in a sec

[daring iron]

My azerite gear from cache and raids has pretty much pushed me into playing sub, which I'm fine with

just weird that the cache practically dictates what spec you play lol

[tough whale]

yeah the DD is like +500 dps over a 370 helm

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6dQTDkZiuqx5fknbCtPbCP

[daring iron]

yeah that's nuts

[tough whale]

3%

[dawn merlin]

lucky chests, christ

[tough whale]

i gotta push 2400 now for the only daggers ill ever get

[vestal wren]

have fun

[tough whale]

You know i wont

[little sparrow]

DD simming hella high imagine a high ilevel SB

[tough whale]

i can sim it in a sec

doing brewfest garbo

[timber pewter]

do you guys think poison bomb is better for m+ or crimson tempest

[tough whale]

CT in almost every dungeon

[timber pewter]

would you bother maintaining CT on bosses or just use envenom?

[tough whale]

Never use it ST

[timber pewter]

ah ok ty boss

[spice nymph]

Wow thanks @tough whale You actually helped me alot by just linking that sim

[tough whale]

how so whats up

[spice nymph]

I found my highest dps setup

I thought 2x Archive + DD wins

But 1x Archive 1x DD 1x SS sims higher

[tough whale]

Archive is great just for 1 so you proc reorig

[royal lantern]

how does 2x archive even work? its stacks faster?

[tough whale]

it doubles per stack

so instead of stacking by 12 max 20, it stacks by 24 max 20

You just want something that procs reorig array really

@little sparrow Gimme a SB helm so i can sim the difference at high ilev

[spice nymph]

And I thought Im going full poison again x)

[winter gale]

So atm noone knows is there any definite talent choice? Nor a definite rotation? Nor a definite traits? Pls anyone tell me

[tough whale]

[winter gale]

I checked and it didnt change that much in the guide, one ss, two ss, no ss? Opener?

[mossy hazel]

All those things are literally in the guide

[tough whale]

No guide covers BIS because its too random, and openers are within the guide with and without SS, and with and without exang

[winter gale]

Ok, and yet again

[mossy hazel]

Oh boy here we go...

[winter gale]

We dont need to go

[drifting hare]

some of you still playing with 3x SS in uldir?

[winter gale]

I wont continue 😂

[tough whale]

The answer is going to be sim what you have

and use your best available

[winter gale]

I came to ask,not to be in any argument

[versed finch]

1 x archive 1x lm and 1x ss because I don't have dd to replace the ss

[tough whale]

1archive 1dd 1ss

[daring iron]

a 370 archive or laser is probably much better

[winter gale]

Since I am heavy on work and cant rely that much on my testings

[versed finch]

My 370 is my SS lol

[tough whale]

You need one thing that procs reorig array for raid sims

[daring iron]

@drifting hare

[winter gale]

Im not uptodate myself

[dense quest]

1whateverraiddropyouget 2 dd is ideal

[solid nova]

[mossy hazel]

You don't use even 1 SS for the cp anymore?

[drifting hare]

@daring iron thanks

[winter gale]

This e everythinhg is just too mucj

Much

[tough whale]

its not that bad

[visual token]

I use one ss.

[tough whale]

You just got to do a little self research when youre not at work

[mossy hazel]

Right now I'm 1 SS, 1DD and 1 Archive

[visual token]

I mean you can honestly do whatever and be fine if you’re doing normal

[mossy hazel]

I'm in heroic and I do fine

[dense quest]

yeah thts pretty much it

[strange python]

SSx2 w/ Archivex1 GG.

[winter gale]

If uare ot totally inside bfa there is no way u can optimize urself.imgonna spend entire night checking.

[visual token]

If you’re tying to top meters and push mythic it’s obviously going to take work

[winter gale]

Now that player nottle or whatever

[tough whale]

Youre focusing too much on "WHAT BIS AZERITE CAN I GET" When thats not a question you can ask yourself

due to how awful obtaining azerite is, you should be looking at "WHAT DO I HAVE AND WHAT IS BEST"

[winter gale]

Put his own rotation and its completely different than guide here.

Ill go with the guide

[tough whale]

Go with ravenholdt.

[winter gale]

I atm have 1ss trait and will continue play with it

That gear sims best atm for me

But ill try sim that one armor with archive and see

[hollow stone]

Yea. Seeking bis az pieces is impossible unless your actual bis come from raid, which they do not for sin. So you do what heck is saying and ask sims "what is best with what i have?"

[mossy hazel]

Opener only changes based on wheter you have ANY SS traits, because once you have at least one, garrote gives extra CP

[hollow stone]

And even if they did. Itd still be a pain

[mossy hazel]

That chagnes the opener SLIGHTLY, that's al

[tough whale]

Being called heck 🤔 This is all so new to me

[hollow stone]

The openers w and w/o ss are quite a bit different

[winter gale]

Yes they are

[drifting hare]

got a pvp question: is assa good for zergs in rbg?

[hollow stone]

It's shorter than frigg. And youre not the oden's wife, are you? @tough whale

[drifting hare]

or do you use them for smth different ?

[winter gale]

And master assassin is not really and option atm as that guy says?

Or shall I check and sim that too?

[tough whale]

MA with no SS

[winter gale]

Ok

[tough whale]

mostly SB

[mossy hazel]

I didn't think they were that different, but that's fair, I could be wrong on that. Haven't looked at the no sS opener in quite a while

[winter gale]

And one more from me

[wild zodiac]

oh shit did you see further assn nerfs on PTR patch notes?

[hollow stone]

Theyre similar, of course as its still a sin rogue. But its different enough to feel weird at the start

[mossy hazel]

@wild zodiac what are they looking at

[wild zodiac]

a life of misery

[warm osprey]

can you link it ? @wild zodiac

[mossy hazel]

Lol?

[tough whale]

u trollin?

[mossy hazel]

I feel like it's a troll

[winter gale]

3xSB, 2xDD+1 Reorigination Aray, or 2xDD+1 SS?

[wild zodiac]

I am not allowed to link

[tough whale]

Yeah you're trolling

[winter gale]

What is mostly best if u know

[warm osprey]

pm me

[wild zodiac]

hello, who do you think I am

[hollow stone]

Ptr patch notes, eh?

[main blaze]

You are roff

[torpid jackal]

troll mctrollington

[wild zodiac]

the one and only

[solid nova]

Riffs on day release, please pay no attention to him. He'll be re-caged shortly. Thanks famalams

[wild zodiac]

Riff's*

[solid nova]

He's a work in progress, sadly results are slow

[main blaze]

Riffington the third

[safe matrix]

Decided we'd let him out for good behaviour, but back into the cage he goes. 🤷

[strange python]

bois does the

[tough whale]

[strange python]

fan of blades trait stack?

[safe matrix]

Yes

[strange python]

does the range stack?

[safe matrix]

No

[strange python]

so u only get 15 range out of it?

[safe matrix]

Damage component of every trait stacks

[tough whale]

imagine having a 45 yard FoK

[strange python]

ye

exactly

so it gives u only 15?

or?

[primal gazelle]

does haste increase the dmg of garrote/rupture by ticking faster?

[strange python]

[Flying Daggers]

Stack with this trait?

so basically, 30yards + [Flying Daggers] 50%

is 45 yards?

or im stupid?

[proven ice]

You’re stupid

It’s 15 yards at every stack

[strange python]

so it stacks?

[glad fulcrum]

Lol you dumb

[strange python]

i think im dumb

[velvet kernel]

Is a 365 harlans better for m+ then a 340 galecallers?

[safe matrix]

You only get the added range once

[solar zealot]

Sim it boi

[safe matrix]

Regardless if you have 1 or 3 stacks

[velvet kernel]

how do i sim for m+?

😄

[solar zealot]

Gear compare with multiple targets

[strange python]

@proven ice @glad fulcrum so u are the dumb one

:)

[proven ice]

It’s not increased by 15 yards. It’s increased to 15 yards

[glad fulcrum]

You still don’t understand

You can stack the trait but the range does not keep increasing

[velvet kernel]

well its behind by 4dps on st @solar zealot so i guess?

[solid nova]

If you have 1, it's 15 yards total.

If you had 100, it's still 15 yards total.

[strange python]

ok

so the [Flying Daggers]

won't work with it?

the pvp trait

[solar zealot]

Lol

Really doesn't matter at that point then

[strange python]

If it stay at 15 even if u take [Flying Daggers]

i won't need to farm the trait

[solar zealot]

Not sure how to do Russian characters so can't @ you

[strange python]

It's not russian

u fucking racist

[solar zealot]

I'm not even talking to you.

[strange python]

Ik

It's Cyrillic

not Russian

Cyrillic was made in Bulgaria

educate urself

[solar zealot]

Oh christ.

Thanks for the lecture.

Regardless.

[strange python]

np

[hollow stone]

That escalated quickly

[wild zodiac]

basically Russian

[wheat zealot]

[proven pumice]

For what it's worth, I don't think you're racist for misidentifying a language.

❤

[wild zodiac]

how would you ever class that as racism anyway

[wheat zealot]

More like a misunderstanding

[proven pumice]

Most people wouldn't, I'd wager.

[wheat zealot]

And then an overreaction to said misunderstanding lol

[proven pumice]

Perhaps an overreaction due to racist views towards Russians?

[solid nova]

You're welcome to discuss the origins of Cyrillic in DMs. The spec channels aren't a place for such a topic.

Let's not have any unnecessary disruptions, thanks.

[hollow stone]

Richard, man, stop being logical. That just aint fair to the rest of us

[wild zodiac]

back to discussing assn nerfs

[solar zealot]

Definitely wasn't trying to raise a discussion about anything but helping the guy about his trinkets for m+

Sorry mods.

[proven pumice]

To be fair, it was a pleasant departure from the 1 billionth time someone asked if SS was still okay.

[hollow stone]

"What is bis traits now that ss is garbage" did i do it, coach?

[proven pumice]

So I've noticed that in M+ situations, my damage is absolutely fine and I'm either keeping up or outright beating the people I WoW with. In raids, however, my damage is pretty much the worst of all time, ever.

Anyone willing to go through logs with me?

[zealous lily]

slavic suffocation?

[high wadi]

same issue over here...sin in raids feels painful

[zealous lily]

oh, you mean shrouded suffocation

[wheat zealot]

Link a couple, ill check em out

[neon chasm]

lots f factors to that rhino

[hollow stone]

Lol. I think he was kidding. But you guys are good guys for offering help

[proven pumice]

No, I mean

My logs are like

gray and green parses

-_-

[wheat zealot]

Link

[proven pumice]

This is from our raid on Tuesday

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/NHVB3TtxWZh2pqL7/

[analog glade]

Why Darkmoon Fathoms sims Highter, but deal 0 ? xD

[tribal lark]

0 (5-7% total dmg)

[delicate gull]

actually it deals 0 damage just scarp it for expolsum kappa

[wheat zealot]

@proven pumice i looked at your fetid kill, and one major problem i saw was 80% uptime on garrote which is pretty low

[analog glade]

5-7 % dmg not for me:D

[wheat zealot]

Try to keep dots at 100% uptime, and dont overcap on energy and cp

[proven pumice]

Alright.

[neon chasm]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/malganis/veloras#difficulty=4

anyone wanna help me with my dmg too?

[strange python]

@proven pumice I noticed playing TB and PB was painful in raid but using Exang and CT gave higher dps. Probably because more fights are cleave based? It could also be stats. I felt like molassus until I hit about 25% haste

[inner pulsar]

@strange python Thats feelcraft yo

[proven pumice]

I tried Exang , but honestly trying to hit the 2:20 CD timing was infuriating, especially when I'm trying to raid lead at the same time.

Was a lot to keep track of

And overall seemed a lot easier to mess up than TB, which is why I've gone that route

[strange python]

I know @inner pulsar just trying to offer some general insight.

@proven pumice if you want specific reasons to why your do seems low and you have access to warcraft logs check that out. I personally can do top DPS one night and another be bottom.

[proven pumice]

I don't know what you mean. I linked my logs up above?

Are you saying there's something else I should be looking at? If so, please let me know. Would love all the info I can get

[inner pulsar]

@proven pumice Someone already told you you are overcapping energy and wasting combo points with Mut and Garrote right?

[wheat zealot]

Yeah

[proven pumice]

I was referencing Vortaus' tag, that was telling me to check logs out. Which I just linked.

Seemed like an odd thing to tell me, so I was asking him for some clarification

[inner pulsar]

No know, but you said you would like info on your logs

[proven pumice]

But yes, Indicaz did mention some areas I need to work on.

[inner pulsar]

I saw the Garotte uptime suggestion, which is 100% correct, just wanted to make sure those other things werent missed

[analog burrow]

Can some1 tell me what transmog this is https://youtu.be/ebwtO_FVf3E?t=368

cant find that color on the doomblade set

[strange python]

@proven pumice sorry I didn't see you link them earlier.

[inner pulsar]

Anyone in game willing to test a WA for me? It wasn't importing correctly for someone earlier. No lua code or any other craziness

[proven pumice]

I can test it.

[inner pulsar]

WOnderful

https://wago.io/BJQQQqzK7

It is a multi - target Garrote tracker, it works for me, but didnt for him

CHeck under the trigger tab, and see if it has the Garotte aura identified

Please of course

[proven pumice]

It says

Aura Name "703"

And next to that is the Garrote icon

[inner pulsar]

Good good, means it should work for you

[proven pumice]

I'll test it on a pack of mobs

[inner pulsar]

I don't know what the problem was with his, but thank you so much

[proven pumice]

Vertical bars with mob name and the green filler slowly fading away as Garrote ticks

Appears to be working properly

[inner pulsar]

That would be it

Thank you

[proven pumice]

No prob

[little sparrow]

I'll test it when I get home also, almost done

[inner pulsar]

Thanks

I have one for Rupture as well if anyone ends up wanting them

[proven pumice]

So with regards to Garrote up time

If you're garrote is empowered but you have to switch to an add

If you switch, by the time you return garrote will be gone altogether, or I guess I could overwrite it and have garrote still ticking while I'm away

Would you suggest I not overwrite, or should I go ahead and maximize garrote up time

[inner pulsar]

I don't play SS and there are much better players than me that could answer, but I always refresh before switching

[little sparrow]

Can you DM me both @inner pulsar

[tulip tusk]

Is mw monk a solid comp for 2s? returning player looking to have a good start

[little sparrow]

Do not overwrite an empowered garrote or garrote while an empowered garrote is active @proven pumice

[inner pulsar]

There you go, and Meme is much better than I

[little sparrow]

If you think there will be an add phase, for example fetid, save vanish to garrote both the boss and the add

[strange python]

Exsang is 500 dps loss if i set up for it... is that too much that I shouldnt run exsang? I really pref it

[halcyon glacier]

considering that it's also slightly harder to use, real loss might be larger than 500 in non-patchwork fights

but ofc use what you prefer. it's not a big deal.

[strange python]

Wellll pugs wont take me to ghuun without 75 avg parse so..

Ima try exsang again

[little sparrow]

If you get some SS pieces that aren't a downgrade from your current pieces it'll make exsang worth

You want them for M+ anyway

[lime briar]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/17834355?mode=detailed&zone=19#difficulty=3

Any tips on how to improve?

[arctic crow]

Got a build with 2 DD 1 Archive using TB simming higher than exsang with SS traits

but imma miss the fat openers

for 125 dps

[halcyon glacier]

@lime briar don't play sub on zul if you aren't good at it 😛 😛 j/k i'll look to really see

[inner pulsar]

I know it is a personal preference thing, I just don't understand how folks fill like Exsang is smoother

[lime briar]

LOL yeah ignore that parse....i fucked up lmao

[strange python]

Cause i only have to press exsang once a minute compared to twice for tb

[halcyon glacier]

i def don't feel exs is "smoother" but it gives more control for when you want to apply big pressure

[arctic crow]

its fun having that huge burst

[little sparrow]

Exsang fills the class fantasy better than TB

[inner pulsar]

@little sparrow That I get

[strange python]

Getting huge env with tb is pretty fun too tho

[halcyon glacier]

lol @ huge env as sin

[strange python]

Well i say huge, i get a few 40-50k envs at my ilvl on open

Feels good

[vital haven]

how is dagger in the back better than SS

my sims are telling me that

but it just doesnt feel like it

[arctic crow]

my sim did the same

SS is worse if u use TB

[halcyon glacier]

wtf my avg envenom was 12.2k

[arctic crow]

by more now

[halcyon glacier]

how are you getting 40-50k

[inner pulsar]

Again, I understand "smoothness" is open to interpretation, but I think it is just that many people FEE: like they should use Exsange

[halcyon glacier]

oh, on open* nvm

[arctic crow]

mine just did 32k

[inner pulsar]

@vital haven Because it is objectively better than SS on ST now

[strange python]

Outside of open my crits are 20k ish so we are same

[arctic crow]

unbuffed

[vital haven]

😦

[inner pulsar]

Particularly one trait of SS

[halcyon glacier]

ok that makes more sense. yeah i wasn't thinking of w/ vendetta + tb

[tranquil dust]

what traits do i run in M+/

[halcyon glacier]

also you can't fuck up using dagger int he back lololol

use SS for m+

[wary chasm]

3x SS @tranquil dust

[vital haven]

can they just buff SS again

fucking hell

[tranquil dust]

even

for +10s?

[vital haven]

i get depressed when i see 1 cp garrote

[arctic crow]

Anyone have any luck with sin on M Zek?

our sub rogue beats me

and outlaw is really good on that fight so i went that spec

[halcyon glacier]

sub/outlaw def better for zek (i pref outlaw for thaT)

[arctic crow]

but outlaw hurts to raid

[tranquil dust]

so SSx3

in +10?

or should i just go

my archive gear

[halcyon glacier]

ssx 3 yes

[tranquil dust]

rogerrrr

[halcyon glacier]

archive gear doesn't have any real benefit outside uldir

[arctic crow]

its still decent

[vital haven]

SSx3 for m+ is still really good

[arctic crow]

my chest is archive or SS

dont wanna switch it or use a 340 piece

[vital haven]

reforge it

or whatever its called

[halcyon glacier]

if it's 30 ilvls above your SS piece probably worth using instead. but you'd have to sim it prob

[arctic crow]

i mean i dont wanna reforge for m+ and raid

[inner pulsar]

Leave it Archive, it isn't going to make a huge difference in M+

[arctic crow]

got it

[inner pulsar]

Raid is probably more important to you anyway right?

[halcyon glacier]

until the day i can orange parse m+

[stoic pelican]

What traits are you guys running M+ with nowdays?

[halcyon glacier]

SS x3

[versed bobcat]

Isnt archive very nice in aoe too.

[knotty jetty]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > mastery > vers >= haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.

[stoic pelican]

I got 3xSS too. nice

[inner pulsar]

I truly swear there is just one guy who keeps changing their name to come in and ask that question

[halcyon glacier]

ikr lol

boy the day of the nerf was rough on this channel

[vital haven]

yo guys what traits are you guys running in m+?

[inner pulsar]

I want to start collecting the names, cause I feel like sometimes they just use the same name

[little sparrow]

Lmao

[halcyon glacier]

i mean sometimes ya gotta make sure the status quo hasn't changed 😛

[vital haven]

there are not enough ways to get azerite pieces for everything

i fucking hate that

[strong jacinth]

what r u guys using for pre pots

[marble hemlock]

what do you mean?

do you not enjoy

[halcyon glacier]

@strong jacinth prolonged power cz i'm a cheapass and it doesn't matter for my level of raiding

[marble hemlock]

having to get lucky in raids, having to get lucky in weekly chest, having to get lucky in pvp, or having to get lucky with warfront

[inner pulsar]

Yeah see, Faazi asked that question last Wednesday!

[marble hemlock]

to be engaging and meaningful character progression?

[inner pulsar]

I knew it!

[strange python]

Battle potion of agility only

[lime briar]

i also like to use flask of the whispered pact for raids

[wheat zealot]

You mean you dont enjoy clearing 3 weeks of heroic uldir and not having a single 370 azerite raid piece?

[vital haven]

can you get 370 in warfronts

[halcyon glacier]

but to be fair there was a trait nerf inbetween then @inner pulsar

oh you mean the once-a-month warfronts? what a reliable source

[lime briar]

what was blizz's reasoning in not having azerite pieces drop in m+

[vital haven]

it makes sense\

thats why

[marble hemlock]

it makes sense

yeah

[inner pulsar]

@halcyon glacier It was after the nerf

[marble hemlock]

it would solve most of the issues people have right now

[gentle hornet]

They said they want the Azerite pieces to feel like a “true upgrade” when you get them and not something farmable

[vital haven]

hey guys lets make it so that mythic plus doesnt drop the most importante pieces of gear in the game right now

[halcyon glacier]

if we could get them from m+ then i'd have 3x 370 pieces by now and i could stop playing. they dont want that

[gentle hornet]

They shot that in the face when they started nerfing them left and right lol

[vital haven]

thats such a great idea - blizzard 2018

[gentle hornet]

They didn’t want people to be able to farm M+ and get better gear than raids

[stoic pelican]

Hey, what traits are you running for M+?

😄

[twin meadow]

yikes

[marble hemlock]

yeah, cause people who play the game only to get items and then quit are definitely the type of players you want to keep around with carrots on a stick 😃

[inner pulsar]

........... Got jokes nowQ

[vital haven]

ban faazi

[lime briar]

btw what traits should i run for m+?

[marble hemlock]

3xBitS

[halcyon glacier]

don gonna come in here and shank ya'll

[stoic pelican]

XGOD!

[marble hemlock]

don is asleep, we can riot

[lime briar]

rly? is it that much better than 3x rezan's fury?

[vital haven]

we should just answer with garbage traits

[halcyon glacier]

poisoned wire op

[daring imp]

what's assassination best spec atm

[lusty furnace]

How is assassin in pvp?

[lime briar]

it assassinates ppl

[inner pulsar]

Whats PvP

[lusty furnace]

Lolol

[inner pulsar]

Oh you mean Warfronts

[lusty furnace]

I can’t get daggers no matter how many dungeons I run, so arena it is

[inner pulsar]

I udnno, chop wood as well as the next guy I guess

[halcyon glacier]

sin rogues can sneak into the enemy mines to steal ore

[lusty furnace]

Zzz

[arctic crow]

guttripper or azerite globs

[vital haven]

ok this is an actual legit questioin

[arctic crow]

only 27 dps more with gutripper

[vital haven]

what traits do you guys run in arenas?

[halcyon glacier]

@arctic crow azerite cz it does aoe i'd assume

[arctic crow]

thats what im thinking

[lusty furnace]

Idk why asking if sin is good in arena isn’t a legit question haha

But I accept it

[shadow pivot]

sin is overperforming in arena for weeks

[lusty furnace]

Awesome.

[shadow pivot]

basically do v2, meet disc priest + sin rogue, leave & retry

is the daily life of everybody doing v2 while not being rogue/priest

[lusty furnace]

I just have a lot of trouble vs any team with a resto Druid

[inner pulsar]

@vital haven I go with the "lay down and wait for the end" trait

[lusty furnace]

I’m bad though

[winter gale]

Hello, me again. I simmed my chest piece with currently my only SS trait and when I switched that SS trait to Archieve of the Titans my dps is 0.8% better. That would put me in 2archieve and 1 laser matrix. Is 0.8% significant incriese since its like 115dps

[vital haven]

hmm

where do you get that from

uldir?

[inner pulsar]

I come by it naturally

[vital haven]

or the super exciting warfronts

[arctic crow]

@winter gale It matters if you are exsang or TB

[winter gale]

TB

[smoky wind]

anyone simmed Bursting blood vs battle pots?

[arctic crow]

then use the archives

id think

[winter gale]

Ok

I agree. And one more. When to go Master Assassin ?

Full single ?

Or ?

[halcyon glacier]

probably never

you can sim yourself, but it isn't competitve for me

[winter gale]

Ok

[prime zephyr]

how many ruptures is too many on aoe? like three of four and then you should spam envenoms yeah?

[halcyon glacier]

(maybe in pvp actually, for burst?)

no, keep spamming rupture

as long as the targets will live

[prime zephyr]

right if the adds are going to live long enough its fine to overcap on aoe?

[smoky wind]

the optimal amount of ruptures is 3

[halcyon glacier]

yes, its still more damage per cast time

[shadow pivot]

as soon as your energy restores faster than it depletes while spaming FoK and envenoms. (usually around 3-4 depending on your haste)

[halcyon glacier]

if that were true there'd be no reason to use rupture during energy overload times (like during lust)

its still worth using for the damage over envenom

[proven ice]

You energy cap during lust?

Do you have 300% haste?

[silk sundial]

Envenom increases poison proc chance meaning more damage from fok on top of the flat damage

[shadow pivot]

^

[silk sundial]

You also have ct

Poisons/mastery isn't as potent as it was in legion, but 3-5 seemed like the magic number then

[flat patrol]

Yesterday somebody here told me that I should use FoK against 3+ targets, but icy veins guide says 2+ targets. Which one is correct?

[arctic crow]

lol azerite globs is only 23 dps more for hectic add cleave over gutripper

[halcyon glacier]

3+

[arctic crow]

surprising

[halcyon glacier]

that is indeed surprising

use shuriken storm against 2+ when sub (outside shadow dance) and some ppl don't remember when they swap to sin you fok on 3+

[arctic crow]

my issue with gutripper, is you wont see the increased effect on progress

alot of the time

[halcyon glacier]

but it can help when executes are needed, even if you don't see it on your other attempts (ex: g'huun)

[deep badge]

should the weaker weapon go to off hand or mainhand?

[shadow pivot]

when you use tb it increase all your nature damage; kind of dumb question but that means increased Heed my call too right?

[heavy ginkgo]

Lam offhabs

Offhand*

[keen spruce]

@shadow pivot bad tooltip

[strange python]

You guys mut or FON on zul when crusher +crawgs up?

[keen spruce]

Poisons only

[shadow pivot]

ok ty 😃

[keen spruce]

you mean FoK @strange python ?

[strange python]

Yeah ooops

[keen spruce]

depends on the strat

I normally just completely ignore adds if we're burning to 40%

[heavy ginkgo]

Guys

[deep badge]

@heavy ginkgo thx ❤

[heavy ginkgo]

I have a 370 head with laser matrix

[strange python]

I was tunnelling zul for 40% burn today but shit parse so

Easy kill but my numbers :(

[heavy ginkgo]

What traits should i aim for chest and shoulder now? Besides the uldir ones

I play myth plus and raid

[undone cairn]

ss

[strange python]

@heavy ginkgo DD, SS or TTK forraid

[undone cairn]

feelsbadman 385 ttk sims lower than 370 archives

[keen spruce]

@strange python I'm not really worrying about parsing unless i'm in a group designed to do that

your dps numbers will suffer if you're tunneling the boss

[cedar meteor]

!TYK

[keen spruce]

but it might be more useful to the strat

[cedar meteor]

!ttk

[strange python]

Gotcha

[daring imp]

what's ttk

[strange python]

Twist the knife

[keen spruce]

when we do the 40% burn and we're trying to assess dps

[daring imp]

oh

[keen spruce]

we just look at Zul damage anyways

if people aren't above like 1.6mil they're not keeping up

[heavy ginkgo]

One of each or stack whatever i get first?

And for myth plus? Which traits to usw

[undone cairn]

ss

[heavy ginkgo]

Sure?
2x?

[strange python]

If you can get 2 DD stacks is very strong on st

Run 3x ss in m+

[heavy ginkgo]

But is ss worth to sacrifice my helmet 370 with matrx?

[wary chasm]

in m+ yes for the x3 stack since outside of uldir matrix and archive sim low

unless the agi loss outweighs the gain from x3 SS depends what SS ilvl pieces you have

[heavy ginkgo]

340 3x

[arctic crow]

id keep the matrix if u dont reforge

or run that

with 340s

[versed apex]

Is there any way to configure Details! to not restart the parse when I Vanish, so I can get a better target dummy DPS reading?

[spice surge]

look at overall

[versed apex]

Is there a quick way to reset the overall data?

Oh wait, yeah, found it

[wary chasm]

the reset overall data button

[versed apex]

Perfect, thanks

[deep badge]

ss is shrouded suffocation right?

[trim seal]

yes

[wary chasm]

yessir

[late bison]

For some reason hero damage says that with exsan build you want SS traits, I have 3 but my sims tell me to go TB

Also isn't Blightborne infusion good for M+?

[deep badge]

what about sharpened blade is it good?

[late bison]

@deep badge I heard that it's only good if you have 2 and pure ST

Not sure tho

[deep badge]

ST?

[wary chasm]

single target

[deep badge]

ah ok

oh ok ty

[inner pulsar]

@late bison Haste is probably too low for Exsang

[inland path]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/q6iVdimcG4uxSX6tAGcyQT
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kB9nFvgobCsE8K1ZksCCUn

fathoms sims 9 dps higher than spyglass

thinking of using glass anyway

thoughts?

[inner pulsar]

What is there to think about?

[proven pumice]

That's what I was wondering

[undone cairn]

bUt DuDe It SiMs 9 DpS hIgHeR

[inland path]

its only 9 dps

maybe fathoms is more consistent

why the h8

[inner pulsar]

Because there arent any thoughts to occur, if you want to use it, use it, but you already know it is mathmatically inferior

Why use it instead?

[inland path]

wow ure being very blunt rn

[inner pulsar]

Yes

[inland path]

cant u just say nice things?

[lone junco]

@inland path run it in ST and again in cleave. Fathoms is garbage in cleave

[inland path]

ty noobe

this guy is being a big meanie

what happened to this community?????????????????????????????????????????????

[lone junco]

I have a /use GC and it lines up nicely

[inland path]

yeah i want the use one

it feels like this one has a shitty procrate

idk

[lone junco]

i still dont have a dice trinket. seems like it will be good for the longer packs in M+

[inland path]

yeah the dice can be nutty

when it double procs its 💯

[tardy narwhal]

How many enemies and what time when i sim aoe?

[lone junco]

if you are using SS, restealth is important.

so I do 6target 40sec patchwerk. no buffs.

[inland path]

i got a 370 cannon trinket btw too

but it sims like trash

[tardy narwhal]

Only have 1 SS so far

[inland path]

r u using MA noobe

[lone junco]

no.

[tardy narwhal]

But I guess 1 SS is still better to use in M+ even tho its nerfed?

[lone junco]

3ss or 2ss 1rupture, subterfuge. g g g r or ggg ct

[inland path]

what traits u got?

[tardy narwhal]

Twist the knife

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/k59GEie7dFsrCaVoF1JVJu

[deep badge]

holy shit

[tardy narwhal]

Accidently used all buffs

[strange python]

and one minute lol

[proven pumice]

He's simming for m+

[strange python]

pretty good

[versed apex]

One minute seems high for AoE still

[lone junco]

@tardy narwhal 40 sec. and turn off buffs

[tardy narwhal]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sPLY15Eo6niSB7a3nesZ4P

[lone junco]

20 is probably good as well, but most 20sec pulls are irrlevant

thats better

i get 26-31k

depending on setup

the only reason you get DITB is because you dont have an aoe trait option

ss/scent or the buffs would be better

25 ilvl drop for ss would prob be a gain

[tardy narwhal]

Started playing assa yesterday so 1 SS is probably lucky

Ill try to get 2 more

[proven pumice]

May the odds be ever in your favor

[clever tartan]

How do i add reorgination array stacks to sim

[proven pumice]

There's an option in raidbots above the green start sim button

Where the various other options are found

[tardy storm]

Are assa rogues the kings of ST?

[clever tartan]

Thanks

[silk jolt]

anyone know if raider.io is fucked?

[inner pulsar]

King of Shirley Temples? I don't know.....

[silk jolt]

its only going up

[proven pumice]

I don't drink many Shirley Temples

[paper root]

Is there a breakpoint on average mobs in the pull before CT is better than PB?

Like in kings rest there isnt many big pulls when you pug 10s

usually just one pack at the time type of deal

[glass cairn]

how do you level up the raid traits?

[hybrid thicket]

Guys what is secondary stat prio in pvp ? Versat mastery ?

[versed apex]

This isn't a super scientific answer, but poison bomb has a pretty small radius

So it might depend on more than just mob count

[paper root]

yeah true

[cold meteor]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pb52f4d8mwDBbztNwQTWZE

[paper root]

but its also completly "free"

[cold meteor]

5 boss, 40s, without BL right ?

[hybrid thicket]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7yQwL74gJK1hEeGVRJqfBo

[cold meteor]

You forget BL I think

[drifting hare]

3x garrote still strongest?

[delicate gull]

for m+ prolly

but idk if its like u wanna use 3 SS 340s over all 370+

[muted quarry]

ok i have a really dumb question. why cant i cast rapture after coming off stealth after a garrote

[hybrid thicket]

I got 2x 370 SS and in raids the dmg sucks compared to what it was 😦

[inner pulsar]

Are you using Subterfuge?

@muted quarry

[clever tartan]

What if i got 2 ss and i 385 piece though

[inner pulsar]

Wait, sorry, misread

[muted quarry]

its def not letting me cast rupture for a few seconds, even with cp

[cinder lotus]

relog?

lol

[versed apex]

If Garrote and Rupture are up, I have 4 combo points and not very much energy, but Toxic Blade is right about get get off cooldown, should I use an Envenom before Toxic Blade to guarantee I don't waste a combo point if TB crits, or should I just TB so I can have the guaranteed Envenom since I might not have enough energy to keep going if I envenom first?

Long winded question, but I find it happens a lot

[muted quarry]

its been going on for a bit now with me

[daring iron]

when tb is coming up you should have pooled energy

[gleaming eagle]

holy shit

40k

dps

WTF

[versed apex]

Well I know I should, and I usually do, but I'm talking when I don't. Mistakes happen

[gleaming eagle]

LOL

[daring iron]

personally I'd tb and envenom

[versed apex]

That's what I was thinking too

[daring iron]

goal is to envenom twice in your tb window

[distant coral]

^

[daring iron]

I run exang in like every case though

[versed apex]

Exsanguinate parses slightly lower for me

Looks more fun, though

[clever tartan]

Also dont run 5 boss with reorigonation for mythic plus?

[versed apex]

Err, sims, not parses

[spring prawn]

Ye his sims r a meme xd

[daring iron]

@clever tartan no, it's impossible to have 5 reorigination stacks right now anyways

plus reorigination isnt active outside uldir lol

[cinder lotus]

what dungeon u guys farm?

[inner pulsar]

Castlevania mainly

Bowzer's Castle sometimes

@cinder lotus Shrine and Freehold seemed to have the biggest impact items, weapon and trinkets

[clever tartan]

@daring iron yea one of the people used it to sim for m+

Was just saying not to

[cinder lotus]

already got galle 355 😫

[strange python]

Tol Dagor has the best dagger afaik

[keen spruce]

I've been running my friend's alts through m+ to gear them up and fish for galecaller's

they have literally ALL got galecaller's drops

that they couldn't trade

cuz of ilvl

one of them was a brewmaster

360 galecallers + socket straight in the scrapper

[daring iron]

Thanks blizz

[terse mango]

Now that shrouded suffocation is dead what does my rotation look like?

[strange python]

so whats the best azerite trait combo now?

[visual token]

its not dead

[daring iron]

SS is still super strong lol

[terse mango]

Hmmm there are 6 other azerite abilities that say different

[cinder lotus]

in m+

[proven pumice]

Blanket statements are scary

[terse mango]

agreed

[proven pumice]

But it isn't dead

[visual token]

you mean, you say 6 other azerite abilities say different lol

[terse mango]

lets get aggressive

what are azurite?

[daring iron]

go look at the top sin parses

[terse mango]

been there

[daring iron]

most of them are still made with 2x SS post nerf

[visual token]

you say its dead, but then you say you look at parses....

[terse mango]

is there a problem here?

just looking for some help

[daring iron]

no you aren't lol

[terse mango]

how?

ss is dead what should my rotation be

its simple

[visual token]

its not dead...

[daring iron]

Here's an answer

[terse mango]

oh ok

[daring iron]

SS isnt dead

[terse mango]

ill continue to pew pew

[daring iron]

it should be the same!

[terse mango]

charts are meaningless

[visual token]

good ol fashioned troll.

[daring iron]

Also depends on your azerite ilvl, the traits, your secondary stat weightings etc etc

best answer

sim

[proven pumice]

If you have Azerite gear that sims better than SS

And you're wearing it

[terse mango]

https://bloodmallet.com/index.html#rogue_assassination?data_view=azerite_traits&type=trait_stacking&tier=3

whats this mean?

[proven pumice]

And that leaves you with no more SS

Then you can look at Ravenholdt for the heading that talks about no SS

And then if you're using TB or Exang

Or I suppose you could look at the APL

[terse mango]

ah makes sense

whats that chart mean tho

[daring iron]

I'd go to herodamage

I think it's azerite trait info is much more accurate

and customizable

[terse mango]

sims lower there lol

updated 2 days ago instead of 1

[daring iron]

https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/azerite-levels/1t-t22-assassination-exsg

hmmmm

[terse mango]

back to the drawing board boys

[keen meteor]

about hero damage, Is the M+ chart good as a ref? Or simply focus on ST?

[proven pumice]

I mean, I guess it depends on what you use it for

Seems to me it's best used as a quick reference guide

[terse mango]

I'd use something updated more often

[proven pumice]

But it isn't a substitute to simming yourself

[strange iris]

is there a way to sim the different traits without actually reforging them?

[proven pumice]

You can do that through both top gear and gear compare in raidbots

[strange iris]

oh i never even tried to click on the traits to choose them, thanks

[proven pumice]

Make sure to look through the extra options at the bottom above the green start button

Raidbots is very customizable and very useful. Getting familiar with all its gadgets and gizmos is actually kind of fun imo

[jagged finch]

everything about assass cleave is fucked atm anyways

simbots sims it wrong

[terse olive]

have they buffed fathoms recently? found nothing about it on pins. It suddenly sim higher than my other trinkets which it didn't before, and I haven't gotten much gear since last I simmed trinkets

[keen spruce]

Since xpac launch

fathoms has been your BIS trinket

only losing out to like 4 or 5 trinkets at 370 ilvl

and a few more at 385+

I can't speak to what you did or did not sim before

but it was always top tier trinket

[strange python]

How is it possible that Double dose is better than SS in terms of stacking, and also better at 340 ilvl

Yet double dose stacked twice sims lower than ss stacked twice

[terse olive]

but how does a galecaller's boon 365 lose to a 355 fathoms with galecaller being a reliable cd trinket and fathoms rng based?

[arctic isle]

cause sims

[terse olive]

Have they legalized weed on raidbots office or what?

[arctic isle]

im under the impressions u dont understand proc trinkets

[terse olive]

probably not

[arctic isle]

on use trink =/= better than rppm

[undone cairn]

fuck just realized one of my gems was agility

lul

i need moar haste

[terse olive]

alright, well ty for your time anyway 😃

[limpid shoal]

how much haste do you need for a good breakpoint i am sitting at 12%

[arctic isle]

whatever ur sim says

[clever tartan]

Because SS got nerfed for raid

[normal granite]

So, is 3x SS still fire in m+ or is it just use highest ilevel now ?

[hasty crater]

I have the heroic fetid devourer piece, my problem is that it has archive and SS, i want archive for raid and SS for m+ do i srsly have to keep reforging or should i just use 340 piece with SS for m+ ?

[civic palm]

or use another piece.

[daring imp]

@hasty crater i'd save it for SS on m+

if you do many m+

you can get reorigination array on other* piece

but SS tho ...

@normal granite well SS is still best aoe/cleave trait we have so highly likely best for m+

[strange iris]

blightborne infusion was simming higher than SS for me with hectic cleave 3 boss/3min

[outer acorn]

well it depends

were you using 1 SS trait or more?

[ruby idol]

How many 3 min trash packs that dont allow restealth have you encountered?

[daring imp]

^

[icy iris]

lul

[strange iris]

a good amount, tanks chain pull constantly

[icy iris]

vanish bro

[ruby idol]

Vanish not the arguement cause you get that in a 3 min fight regardleas

[strange iris]

even with 2 minute sim, the result is the same

[daring imp]

slow tanks down by overpulling

[strange iris]

and sims take that into account

[ruby idol]

No reason to chain pull, find a better tank

[daring imp]

if they dead, they have to stop 🐢

[ruby idol]

Run 3xss still. MAYBE 2xss 1 archive is worth depending on ilv difference

[icy iris]

so 3xss is better than 2ss + archive on this week?(3)

[ruby idol]

Talking m+

[icy iris]

k

[ruby idol]

Raid I dont think I'd run more than 1ss

[astral hound]

does archive work in m+?

[icy iris]

im running 2 ss and archive atm

[strange iris]

archive works, but the reorigination buff part does not

[daring imp]

archive i think works, but not the array

yea ^

[somber moon]

Why does herodamage show SS so low on /+ sims but everyone uses it?

M+

[floral loom]

right now i believe the opener with master assassin in the APL is garrote, mut, rupture, vend, vanish, TB, mut, env. wouldn't it be better to be garrote, mut, rupture, vend, mut, TB, vanish, env, mut, env?

[daring imp]

SS low on m+ sims? what

[ruby idol]

Cause simming m+ is insanely difficult

[daring imp]

oh, i see

[somber moon]

Sooo ignore herodamage for m+ then

[astral hound]

psure SS is insane if u can restealth every like 45 seconds

or even more often

[ruby idol]

Its difficult to sim for 1 prio mob in a pack of 4 let alone 2 prios in a 6 pack or 3 prios in a 6 pack etc

[daring imp]

well i'd ignore pretty much all sims regarding m+ that try to incorporate single target and multi target into an overall ranking for traits

[ruby idol]

Like you feelycraft in m+

[astral hound]

i cant imagine how busted SS was before nerf

[daring imp]

it was stupid

garrote 15k+ crits

[somber moon]

Mmkay. I know the higher the key/fortified the less value it has but..

[astral hound]

actually depends 🤷

[ruby idol]

I run 2 340 ss and 1 370 as. Slamming 10-12s all week

[astral hound]

on how long the trash lives etc...

[somber moon]

Well yea, those are the factors that would affect that though

[ruby idol]

No ones consistently pushing much higher with these affixes, ss is the play

[astral hound]

how long it lives, are you allowed to burn them all down slowly vs. push one harder

[somber moon]

There's no bolstering this xpac right?

[astral hound]

that kind of depends on the dungeon more than affixes

also are u ccing packs

if ur able to 3 target garrote often

SS is godly

is kinda how i look at it

[ruby idol]

What dungeon are you trying to reference with these theoreticals

[astral hound]

Me? King's rest trash i remember ccing kind of often. Similar with atal left side, but it depends on who your playing with i guess

[daring imp]

kings rest is a bitch

[ruby idol]

Kings rest is like bis dungeon for 3 ss

[half mortar]

Should 3x SB be used in any encounter I am running 3x SS for m+ should I use it for raid ?

[astral hound]

depends on if ur even going left side with atal

is scent of blood good for m+ i feel like it could be

(for teeming week at least lol)

[ruby idol]

And atal too. If you're playing sin you play ss there.

[rich olive]

2x ss 1x sob is simming higher for me than 3x ss for m+.
Simming with 6t 40s patchwerk.

[daring imp]

scent of blood can be good, yes

[rich olive]

Although there is 30ilvl difference between the sob & ss piece tho.

[ruby idol]

But again, most 6 packs have mobs that are not your prio

[daring imp]

tho i'd use it only if you get a slightly higher crit for easier time managing tab rupturing

[ruby idol]

You're there to shred the 3 spooky boys in the pack

While the bigger aoe boys go ham on everything

[daring imp]

i wanna be a big aoe boy 😦