@rancid bobcat you can just change the weakaura ^^
#assassination
vestal wren
empty tide
aoe crimson build you focus mastery?
rancid bobcat
I have 0 weakaura editing experience 
mellow cypress
I have 2x archive pieces but I’m not sure how they stack.
hollow stone
It doubles the agi you get per stack
mellow cypress
And also I’m mainspec outlaw and it’s stacking mastery for me which is my worst stat lol
open elbow
Ok ty. Do you know if there is anywhere a list of the best defensive traits ?
mellow cypress
Yea they don’t.
hollow stone
+75 of your highest secondary per array stack
Highest secondary when you zone in
So if you want haste, and haste isnt your highest, remove gear til haste is your highest, zone in, and put gear back on
Youll gey haste
vestal wren
@rancid bobcat https://pastebin.com/e4AMCP8a
mellow cypress
So I’m gettlike like 225 mastery which is my worst stat lel
vestal wren
its just a slightly modified version of my weakaura (basically just removed the combo stacks and enabled it for all rogue specs)
weary verge
So the dev was wrong about procs affecting it then?
mellow cypress
@hollow stone that’s awesome I’ll try it tonight
I’m guessing I have to have my array pieces on at minimum
rancid bobcat
Neat
errant beacon
Hi, how does assa handle higher keys now with the trait nerf?
clear jacinth
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
quasi ledge
Exactly the same, you just do slightly less damage
errant beacon
ok thank you
strange python
on aoe packs should i be rupturing more than 3 targets
or just 3 targets then start ct
drifting hare
great. if I unequip my 3x garrote trait (361) and equip my uldir azerit gear (367) I do lesser dps by far
mellow cypress
Outside of uldir maybe
I think they don’t want people crushing m+ with uldir gear so it’s not that good outside of uldir
drifting hare
inside too
outer acorn
well
drifting hare
im in uldir atm
outer acorn
are you using exsang or toxic blade
outer acorn
there is your answer
strange python
i dont feel the nerf much, i still play with 2x ss in m+ and have around 14k overall dps, before it was between 16 and 17k
errant beacon
garrot trait still bis? Cause blood mallet ranks it lower than other
drifting hare
garrote bad for raiding you mean?
errant beacon
so still worth stacking in plus? must reroll my gear again i guess
strange python
depends what you have, thats why you should sim yourself
if you have only worse its still your best option
drifting hare
when I equip my 367 gear i have 2x titans 1x garrote trait
cunning blaze
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/
strange python
try something with 1x ss ( highest ilvl ) 1x archive and 1x DD or infusion
gray shuttle
Guys guys assa is currently not viable in raids guys
daring imp
@outer acorn BUT I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSEEEEEEEEEEE 😦
strange python
battlefield focus sims surprisingly high for me
cosmic forge
Regarding EP talent. Is there any mechanical play around it or just nuke and ignore?
gray shuttle
Not viable spec end of the story
daring imp
"not at the top, ded spec"
strange python
but i have to admit id rather play outlaw because its way more fun to me
but cba azerites again
gray shuttle
All the groups and guilds expecting Rogues to be top
solid lava
Guys archive and laser matrix stack together
gray shuttle
i got 4th place in vectis fight and i was replaced
solid lava
two archives do not stack
tardy yoke
the stat stacks, but not duration?
rancid bobcat
@vestal wren how do you change the range on the WA? cause fok is 15 vs 10 yards
lofty sand
Then you should roll a DH obviously
I hope you're ready to reroll every time blizzard feels like nerfing a class.
gray shuttle
Why is MA simming higher though?
strange python
is it worth using CT on 2 targets
or 3+?
and when is it worth using CT as a finisher over envenom
wintry canyon
why would sim show SS better than archive of titan
outer adder
how do you get 10 stacks of reorigination ray, like hero damage expects?
strange python
fs
wintry canyon
In a build made of SB
vestal wren
@rancid bobcat you can change this to 15 (custom trigger function, trigger tab)
strange python
kill bosses and wait a week
open elbow
Do I have to sim to choose between TB or Exsang, or it depends of the situation ?
strange python
you sim
rancid bobcat
Thanks
open elbow
Ok
cloud finch
Out of curiosity, the Wowhead guide says that nightstalker pulls a little ahead on ST, how come the ravenholdt guide still recommends subterfuge on st by comparison though?
vestal wren
what sims highest for you? (take that)
cloud finch
yea i had it queed up, i was just curious if there was a reason for it
drifting hare
"sim whats best for you" is just confusing. broken game if you have to sim what to play
hollow stone
Sims are bae
sonic spindle
You don’t have to sim what to play, just play what you like
sonic spindle
Sims are for playing your best
hollow stone
Then dont sim if you dont want to. Nobody is forcing you to minmax lol
visual token
How dare a tool exist that can tell you what is best for your current gear.
hard quarry
@valid atlas i play the class. i've come in piece with that. im not trying to play the FOTM spec... im just asking for an opinion from more expierience players! 😃
drifting hare
yea but theres something wrong if I have to replace 367 with 361 3x garrote trait
to do more dps
drifting hare
i would like to improve and be helpful for my guild.
sonic spindle
That’s not the sims fault, and you don’t have to.
drifting hare
but in the last weeks its just confusing
hollow stone
Then you should sim
lone junco
+/- 18% is nothing really.
sonic spindle
Can you link the sims showing the disparity in dps?
hollow stone
Yea. I spent about 2hrs pre raid on tuesday sinming. If you want to do your best, its the best way to do it
lone junco
If you have trouble interpreting the sim. Or if the results are ideal for a specific fight. Then ask.
solid lava
assa is the best DPS atm
solid parrot
I think people in the class discords are typically on a more min max paradigm and are mostly discussing specific questions. Coming w/ generic what should I generally be doing is going to make people go off
lone junco
Sims are not god. Just a piece of the puzzle.
1/3 sim. 1/3 fight timing and actual logs. 1/3 player skill.
drifting hare
sure I can sim my gear after raid
strange python
@lone junco you had much time to play around with SB?
lone junco
I sim during raid. lol. Before I decide to keep an item Ive already run it in st and cleave.
hollow stone
Exeo has been playing sb
strange python
@lone junco lol i do the same :)
grizzled ocean
Dont get it, so is shrouded sufocation trait still strong cos of bug or not? Cos some ppl started changing it but all pro players still use it?
drifting hare
So my 367 has 2x titans and 1x twist the knife, and my 361 has 3x garrote and with 361 I deal much more
lone junco
I tried it. Was not a fan. Went back to archive/SS/ditb.
hollow stone
That doesnt seem right, @drifting hare
lone junco
Deal more or sim more? Cause the archive traits only work in the raid.
drifting hare
im 100% sure and confident
strange python
I think ill try SB pure ST. Anything with cleave adds ill stay SS
lone junco
SB is awkward but has a better peak frequency.
strange python
@lone junco i dont even know how to open with it
grizzled ocean
SB?
strange python
Standard opener but with MA talent
lone junco
Apl has it.
strange python
Then vanish throw before vendetta ends?
primal gazelle
is 1 trait of SS even worth it for m+? its near on the bottom of the list now for cleave on bloodmallet.com
hollow stone
Afaik, ma opener and vanish toss right before vend ends or at 29 stacks
strange python
Yea thats what i do. Was making sure
lone junco
Ma. Garrote mut rupture vendetta mut vanish tb env mut mut env ..... knife at end of vendetta. Around 29stack
strange python
@lone junco do you not vanish and throw foe the crit chance?
hollow stone
I would but maybe noobe is on another level
strange python
What is the apl? What is it avbreviated from
lone junco
But with GC and lust it stacks during the open pretty quickly.
visual token
Action priority list
strange python
Ill have to see what happens
glass cairn
how can i sim to see if 3x ss is better than 3x dd?
visual token
Amirite? Guessing.
hollow stone
Actions per litre 😏
drifting hare
@hollow stone in raid
visual token
Oooo spicy
lone junco
The vendetta vanish tb mut env (ma) probably pumps more than a knife.
grizzled ocean
Can anyone answer? Does SS is still worth for m+?1 or more stacked? does it makes any difference?
lone junco
I use 3ss for m+
visual token
SS is good still
strange python
@lone junco do you think it would do more dps to ghuun p2 during beam conpared to ss combo
grizzled ocean
do u use deeper staghelm in mythic+ or vigor
hollow stone
Thats a good one repro, exsang w ss was soooo much dmg during that burn
Always vigor
lone junco
Idk. I don't like the pure single.
hollow stone
That's bizarre @drifting hare
delicate needle
harlan's stat buffs scale with ilvl right?
lone junco
Exang should fit nicely in that window.
drifting hare
i played taloc with 367
and mother and fetid i played with 3x garrote
look at the dps difference
plain jacinth
different fights
hollow stone
Its possible the burn phases made the diff.... i cant dive into your logs atm unfortunately
plain jacinth
mother and fetid have damage increase mechanics
drifting hare
even in burst i was bad at taloc
lone junco
Same. I'm on phone. But 2ss 1archive is very good on fetid
drifting hare
you can see it the first minute in burst
lone junco
Same with tb. W/e
hollow stone
I did m taloc this week without any ss and was 98th percentile
strange python
@drifting hare The ss traits have far more forgiveness to them as the burst dps is very easy to get right. Maybe your not playing the rest of the encounter optimally when not using ss. So the dps difference is so fsr off?
hollow stone
So i dont think ss is super important in raid
drifting hare
i dont know, could be a case, but I doubt it
hollow stone
This is an opinion tho..
drifting hare
yea might be correct but I cant relate
cosmic forge
apologies if this has been asked before, any mechanics behind EP talent while its up / Envenom buff? Ive been building combos for the next finisher while in that window of buff. correct method?
hollow stone
Thats correct. Ideally, you want to chain ep into ep and not clip it at all
But ideal situation usually doesnt exist
primal gazelle
anyone know why SS is so low on this list for cleave? did it get nerfed THAT badly?
ripe nimbus
@drifting hare just looking at ur taloc logs ur not playing right
drifting hare
what am I doing wrong?
lone junco
@hollow stone I'm not "another level". I just read the apl and look at logs. Then try to do that.
ripe nimbus
I did almost 14k with 0 SS on taloc mythic
lone junco
Raid dps and fight duration have a huge impact on parse % btw.
gray shuttle
!stat
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > mastery > vers >= haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.
hollow stone
Yea, thats what i said, another level 😏 @lone junco
lone junco
Esp in heroic. Mobs scale with roster and low dps. Or extra heals drag it out.
delicate needle
@primal gazelle could be affected by the bug thats pinned
glass vessel
raid DPS etc does make a difference wheny ou're trying to push 95+, but you can get 90+ in almost every scenario
blazing cobalt
Basically, the higher the raid dps, the higher everyones parse will be, because the fights will end more quickly, allowing burst phases to not get pulled down through duration
grizzled ocean
Dont get it, looks here like his garrote is doing double his dmg-while he has only 3 SS, and thats like 1k dmg more not double ->https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/h3JjaMdALWfYQZ2g/#fight=last&type=damage-done&translate=true&source=15&ability=703
lone junco
I don't do log review on my phone. Maybe someone else can find your losses.
grizzled ocean
glass vessel
unless it's something like zekvoz and you dont get an orb buff where you wont parse well at all
subtle lodge
What traits is everyone using now
grizzled ocean
Im talking abouth his parse on Fetid, and on taloc where he didnt have 3 SS he did double less dmg in garrote, so means this shit is still fcking bugged, great
lone junco
Of course it is still bugged.
grizzled ocean
met yday in raid guy with 1 SS and his garrote did almost double more dmg
ye but im talking abouth dmg that trait does
its not nerfed 40% its still working lol
drifting hare
i knew I wasnt crazy about this
glass vessel
it is nerfed lol
grizzled ocean
do u see what I see?
glass vessel
you might not be using your garrote's properly?
lone junco
Can't look. On phone.
grizzled ocean
ye it is, but check his dmg (Not u Noobe 😄 obv) but others
delicate needle
what about if he links an image in discord can you see that?
grizzled ocean
on mother-your garrote did same dmg, but on fetid first 30secs, your garrote did double dmg than u did without it on same time frame on taloc?
idd lemee screen it
drifting hare
y
glass vessel
fetid takes 50% more dmg in 2nd phase, and lust was out, and he probably had prepots/vendetta etc going on
drifting hare
im doing almost the same everytime depending situation
grizzled ocean
average hits are almost double
drifting hare
my opener is the same
grizzled ocean
on fetid vs taloc
drifting hare
i dont know what happened there
strange python
@blazing cobalt that statement is not true
manic quartz
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wBtYCeNCxdfm7LrFXCTqkg should i use laser + 2x SS in mythic+ dont have 3x ss
grizzled ocean
and yday, this guy also had SS I think atleast 1 and did allot more garrote dmg, and okay he does have higher ilvl than me and stronger gear, ubt its imposibile to have this much stronger-> https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/RtkC91f8WMKxcVPG#fight=1&type=damage-done
manic quartz
ty
blazing cobalt
Sure it is. If peak dps is from burst, the closer you kill the boss to the burst window, or rather, the larger the percentage of a fight is during lust and prepots, then the higher everyones DPS is going to be at the end
strange python
@blazing cobalt high dps can kill a boss prior tp CDs. Ideally to top parse you want to end as your CD cycle ends.
delicate needle
@manic quartz try to sim for AOE when thinking about mythic+, boss dps is less important, especially this week
hollow stone
Both of you are correct
manic quartz
i do have 3x Archive of titans, shouldnt that make good in higher m+ when the fights prolong
ripe nimbus
No one is correct
grizzled ocean
check this lol, -> https://puu.sh/BychC/e70db4bf51.png is me without any SS trait, and this is guy with I think atleast one-> https://puu.sh/Bychx/1aeda724b9.png
he did my double garrote dmg.. like..wtf..
subtle lodge
So whats the recommended traits now
drifting hare
3x ss like it seems 😛
grizzled ocean
he had 1 SS lol and 2 archieves
glass vessel
what were your traits?
void raft
Ss still for m+ this discord says
glass vessel
i meant hey're basically trhe only 2 good aoe traits regardless lol
delicate needle
@grizzled ocean shh don't tell blizz its still op
subtle lodge
3x SS was nerfed and its still best?
severe ice
what 2 weapon enchants does sin use? and does it matter which goes on Main hand
solid lava
see
grizzled ocean
np ❤ just tell me that to know lol
void raft
For m+. Not for raid single target
solid lava
the top dps is using archive, laser and ss
harsh gate
hey guys is there anyway to see the execute dps when specced into blindside?
glass vessel
@severe ice crit/haste for raids
glass vessel
@severe ice oftimally you'd prolly want haste in your MH depending on your stat prio, but it really doesnt make a huge difference
strange python
@grizzled ocean matrix and archive dont activate in m+
blazing cobalt
woe to us poor plebes who still havent gotten an uldir azerite piece yet 😦
strange python
@blazing cobalt amen
grizzled ocean
I ment in raid, but in mythic+ probably like sims said, but only 1 atleast SS and thats it I guess
indigo epoch
Yes they do, u just dont get origination stacks
strange python
@blazing cobalt i had 3 heroic drops in 3 resets.
grizzled ocean
we figured it out that 1SS is good and op, now does 3 or 1 makes any difference thats another question
strange python
@indigo epoch which is where the biggest dps gain comes from
blazing cobalt
I got daggers off mother immediately, but nothing since 😃
ripe nimbus
I had the #4 best mythic taloc parse on tues and I was using 1 archive 1 ss 1 laser
strange python
@ripe nimbus TB i presume?
ripe nimbus
Yes I don't touch exsang I hate that shit
strange python
Subterfuge still?
ripe nimbus
Ya
rough agate
just link your armory 😛
strange python
@rough agate ?
fossil agate
So have the azerite traits nerf hit yet?
grizzled ocean
exsang-makes u god in mythic+ 😄
strange python
@grizzled ocean CT helps :)
grizzled ocean
CT?
near swan
how does one go about choosing between toxic blade and exsanguinate?
ripe nimbus
strange python
@near swanraidbot and sim
outer flint
does anyone know of any weak auras that can help me track Rupture for aoe
grizzled ocean
371.. xD nice
rough agate
ty
strange python
@ripe nimbus you sim 2k higher than me... i hate this rng bullhicky
strange python
Im 359 item level
grizzled ocean
Idd does any1 got any weak aura or smtg, to make easier in mythic+ to dot all around
subtle lodge
Whats the best traits for m+
sonic spindle
Raidbots makes simming so quick and easy you’ll want to sim
strange python
@grizzled ocean tab is your friend
ripe nimbus
Just tab
rough agate
archives stack yeah? Would 2 archives 1 SS be good
delicate needle
^just use a weakaura that tracks dot durations and check them all once in a while with tab
onyx wind
rough agate
does anyone know optimal though?
strange python
@rough agate it doesnt stack
pastel vault
Archives do stack
ripe nimbus
The stat bonus yes it does
pastel vault
Reorigination doesn't
strange python
@ripe nimbus i never knew that
drifting hare
2 archives and 1 SS didnt work for me. 3x SS was for me personally stronger
strange python
Yea thats what i mean
rough agate
ok thanks faux
rough agate
post nerf?
strange python
Hence why you run 1 1 and a trait. Which i feel will come down to either Ss or dose
tropic furnace
boys
drifting hare
today
tropic furnace
mind answering a question
near swan
question
drifting hare
better try yourself
tropic furnace
I'm simming higher with 1x laser 1x dd 1x scent- than 1x laser 1x dd and 1x ss
delicate needle
@drifting hare according to bloodmallet lazer and archive do less damage than SS if you have no reorigination stacks, you got any of those?
near swan
how do i change gear on raidbots without refreshing stuff in armory?
solid parrot
simulationcraft addon
tropic furnace
simulationcraft
near swan
that works for raidbots?
solid parrot
install then /simc will dump your gear on and in inventory
strange python
@drifting hare which one are you ?
solid parrot
and you paste it into raidbots
near swan
thoughts on askmrrobot's new sim?
vivid hearth
you guys have any good WA to track empowered dots and pandemic?
near swan
feelcraft?
elder cypress
Wat do u guys run for PvP?
indigo epoch
He makes up shit to suit how he thinks it works vs sims
strange python
I have 2 bad bosses
near swan
ahhh
strange python
But i have 359 item level these where 357 or below
indigo epoch
Its why his shit never matches simcraft
rain breach
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near swan
does the stat weights thing on raidbots generate input for pawn or does it generate ideal stat weights to aid in finding upgrades?
near swan
so its basically just my current weight to import to pawn
strange python
Yea ans sim.everytime you upgrade a piece
strange python
If you have 3 x ss its so easy to hit 90+
As the main dps comes from opener and vendetta vanish phases
There is more room for error during the rest of the time you fight
ripe nimbus
3x SS is pretty bad I lost 1.4k dps when they nerfed it was better to use higher ilvl archive tidal surge laser then 3x ss
strange python
@ripe nimbus i have a 2xsb 1xdd setup
Sims 400dps higher
But is a loss vs anything with multi targets that has full duration garrotes on
I have been very unlucky with raid gesr
Not a single azerite piece
Or from m10 caches
ripe nimbus
Oh I play outlaw on the aoe fights because it's just better for that
I only play sin for ST
slim pecan
Triple archive sims highest for me 355 355 370 🤔
strange python
@ripe nimbus i have respectable outlae but i find it very ubreliable
strange python
@near swan it is ahead on sims at mpment ST
slim pecan
Every time I play outlaw I get good rolls when we wipe and 5 single buff rolls in a row when we kill the boss..
fossil agate
Outlaw is the most unreliable spec with the most variation pull to pull so It can be better but also can be much worse
delicate needle
5x cdr buff makes me want to hurt myself
shy schooner
!stat
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > mastery > vers >= haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.
indigo verge
during our opening are we clipping EP for every envenom as long as we don't cap for energy
clever mural
Did anyone try poison bomb with tb after nerf in m+? Is it better? I can't trust warcraftlogs. And don't wanna damage less then frost mage
tough warren
i was gone for a week, what traits are you guys using now?
young condor
Pros / Cons anyone for Exang and Toxic blade?
tough warren
rip SS btw
dull garden
should i just be doing +5's for farming?
jovial kite
What do you wanna do
tulip wedge
slate agate
glass cairn
@vestal crest FeelsBadman 🔫
lone junco
@indigo epoch amr has different cool down usage assumptions. And response to proc actions. And it tends to be a little lower than simc robotic output. It also has a different apl author.
vestal crest
Can't high parse as sin anymore bc of the old ss logs, gone from 99s to 80s
outer flint
Can anyone give me a quick run down of AOE priority
I cant seem to see it on the site
oblique flax
did they stealth nerf the SS trait today?
pastel vault
They not-steath nerfed it
oblique flax
thought the 40% only was for pvp
wheat zealot
Lol nop
zenith oak
no
soft island
Rofl
wheat zealot
oblique flax
what are u guys goin atm then?
soft island
Trait called unsubbed
oblique flax
u have 3 of those?
soft island
Just one. It's BIS
oblique flax
oh ok
agile quail
Don't be so salty
The world isn't ending
Just go dd or sp or lm or arch
And move on with your life
oblique flax
SS is still prolly bis for m+ no?
soft island
Or hunter
agile quail
It's fine in m+
oblique flax
sharpened blade is so awkward to play imo
strange python
are people still crying over SS
soft island
SoB is probably bis for m+
wheat zealot
Yeah SB is hot garbage
oblique flax
which one is SoB?
agile quail
Get a wa for sb, it's just medium fine
wheat zealot
Scent of blood
soft island
Scent of bloooood
oblique flax
i can respect that trait
wheat zealot
I dont have trouble counting stacks, just dont like sb playstyle
lone junco
If the completely deleted SS. Scent would be good with large pulls and high crit.
ruby idol
3xss is still very strong in keys
lone junco
Thanks dad.
ruby idol
Its just not also busted in raid
sand whale
been playing a few without 1x ss .... feelsbadman
oblique flax
what are u guys playing on patchwerk fights? if u have to go assa
sand whale
I want mah cps
wheat zealot
Whatever sims highest @oblique flax
soft island
Check logs, sim your self
oblique flax
aight
strange python
@ruby idol agreed. Mix it with crit mastery gear and CT and you have solid aoe
lone junco
@sand whale I'll prob transition 1ss 2scent for m+. But doesn't seem necessary yet.
ruby idol
The specs are just balanced now in a way that sin shines in some while sub and outlaw shine in others
Especially considering its teeming fort week
slow temple
simming mythic + how mnay targets do you use?
sand whale
yeah @lone junco I hoping they bump sob up a bit too
ruby idol
We're just not clearly the best m+ spec in the game anymore
strange python
@wheat zealot im doing 25k+ on m+ trash
wheat zealot
Dhs you play with are trash, maybe lol
strange python
And then on ST noone beats me
ruby idol
Which we were. Things are fine
wheat zealot
Just saying youre not gonna beat everyone just because you have ss
Its not like that anymore
strange python
I run m+ with 1k plus raider io players in 370+ gear and i can out dps them in 359
prisma crescent
im rerolling DH for trash dps
broken canyon
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
ruby idol
When you pad on infested packs you can beat anyone :)
strange python
Even ST not just aoe padding which is still vital for clear speeds
oblique flax
oh shiet that bug is aids
agile quail
Dh can't feint or cloak either
pastel vault
It doesn't seem like any dungeons require invis pots + shroud? Not sure
But if you only need a single skip you don't need a rogue
serene hinge
So is everyone dropping shrouded suffocation for sharpened blades now then?
vast mulch
Well fuck me the ss bug is still there
vast mulch
How can they not that ffs
fossil agate
how bad was the SS Nerf?
serene hinge
I mean for raid I guess
lone junco
Raw nerf was like 6% st for me. But I adjusted around with archive and ditb and back to original value within a day.
M+ I was doing 25k packs. Now like 20-22k packs.
vast mulch
I dont have any of those stack traits feelsbadman
lone junco
But I still run 3ss in m+.
final stone
does matrix work outside of raid
sand whale
it sure does
vast mulch
But you have to stack inside the raid and have at least one trait equipped so u get the stacks
buoyant tartan
so is there an ideal trait to stack in raid now?
fossil agate
Bloodmallets sims are so weird compared to public opinion on assassin
fossil agate
So SS is just that bad in ST?
fossil agate
lol
hollow stone
Its like, 5th or 6th or something for st
So its not bad. Its just not too
Too
God damnit.
TOP
barren marsh
Lmao
clever wagon
so using a non ss garrote while other ss garrotes are up gets rid of the extra damage?
spice surge
yes
clever wagon
rip
hollow stone
@vast mulch that is incorrect. You can get your array stacks prior to having an uldir az piece. Obviously they dont activate without an uldir az piece, but you can stack em before getting one so when you do get one you're not weeks behind
modern kindle
Should I always use Toxic Blade on CD or should I wait 2 seconds to generate combo points for an immediate envenom?
some times wait 2 seconds*
slow temple
second exsan after opener, just pandemic the garr and max combo rup thats it?
hollow stone
Use on cd. But try to plan ahead. When i see tb in 5-6 sec, i try to make sure my bleeds are 10sec+, have 3cps, and pool some energy
Im gonna say this again because it is vital: if you are not over capping energy or cps, you are not wasting dps. Plan ahead
clever wagon
so would it pretty much always be worth to use a 5 cp envenom and THEN TB for the cp it generates?
hollow stone
Implication here is that you are maintaining bleeds n shit too. Just to specify
main blaze
sure
hollow stone
Ideally you go into your tb coming off cd w 3cp and pooled energy. You then cp to 4-5cp and env. Then mut to 4-5 and env. Then mut to 4-5.. you get the point
Theres definitely a consensus and that is, you guessed it, sim yo self
modern kindle
welp, seems TB is around 50-100 dps ahead then xD
lone halo
Anyone know if warfronts can drop azerite armor?
modern kindle
is the TB opener still r>g>r>mut>vendetta>r?
solid parrot
negative
modern kindle
or do you weave in TB earlier ?
ripe nimbus
If u are reapply bleeds before pandemic u are losing dps tho
hollow stone
Yea, thats why i said ideally :p
modern kindle
you mean the ravenholdt guides?
outer adder
is the website even still accessible?
outer adder
ravenholdt
hollow stone
Ravenholdt? Yea
outer adder
Won't open on my end, just blank pages
modern kindle
Is keeping my single shrouded suffucation over an archives of the titans worth it? mainly for outside of raid
I'm on it right now
solid parrot
copied from ravenholdt if it's not loading for you
hollow stone
I havent done enough m+ this week to answer that definitively. Im using 1 arch, 1 ss, 1 dd for m+ but idk if this is good
modern kindle
hmmh alright
sadly one of my traits is scent
so my choices are scent dd ss or scent dd arch
hollow stone
Sob (apparently) is good for m+. Again, just based on what others have said in here. I cant confirm or deny
outer adder
opened it with notepad and its just symbols yikes
sand whale
I would highly recommend keeping 1x ss at least for m+
proven ice
Why would you open a file on an anonymous chat program?
hollow stone
If same ilvl, id recommend ss over arch for m+
vast mulch
@hollow stone how do I know how many stacks I have
sand whale
and given all equal ilvl you can even go 3x ss
vast mulch
Thanks for correcting me btw
solid parrot
lol
hollow stone
@vast mulch 1 for every week youve killed 3 bosses
solid parrot
I did make that in sublime
modern kindle
Do you still want crimson tempest with scent for the AOE bleed, or would you ened every combo points you can get for ruptures
solid parrot
figured it would just be raw text
hollow stone
So you cant check until you have an uldir az piece
vast mulch
Without having to do anything prior?
hollow stone
Yup
sand whale
need to kill bosses from what I read
vast mulch
Kk thanks bby u the best
sand whale
hidden quest
hollow stone
Got my first uldir az piece this week, equipped and had 3 array stacks
sand whale
kill 3 bosses = 1 stack each week
hollow stone
Np my homie
vast mulch
I've having bad luck with azerite gear
hollow stone
I did too... until this week
solid parrot
hmm opened the file w/ apple textedit and looks good to me /shrug
hollow stone
This week rained az on me. Keep the faith, they will come
outer adder
Thanks joopkins I just used windows wordpad and it was fine, still trying to figure out how to get the website working though
hollow stone
Lol. Class fantasy baby
outer adder
but actually though the website just wont load, just a blank page
http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/
that's the link I"m using too
hollow stone
That is bizarre. Your link worked for me np. Are you at work or something, maybe it's blocked??
outer adder
nope sitting at my desktop in my apartment, and I used to use the site all the time
subtle lodge
Whats the best traits to run for m+?
dusky rose
ive heard theres something called azirite armor bad luck protection from weekly chests
how true is this
hollow stone
Im sorry pride, this answer is me being an ass because we dont actually know yet. "The ones that do the most dmg for you"
edgy monolith
Fake news
mossy flicker
finally got a fuckin 370 dagger
hollow stone
Fake news for sure
ripe nimbus
U probably watched to much porn now ur computer is infected
ripe nimbus
Good job Jesus hates u
outer adder
rip I guess its just me and porn now
hollow stone
Could be worse
ripe nimbus
The 2nd tier traits have more of an impact on M+ then the main traits imo even if i run 1 Ss In M+ it's not that much overall damage over just staying with my archive
hardy mauve
ripe nimbus
3 heed my call for M+ that's my suggestion
glass vessel
in m+ heed my call is like a whopping 1% of my damage even with a 3stack
strange python
26 runs to get my boon
finally dropped
@ripe nimbus i run 3 x ss 3 x heed in m+
Works very well
glass vessel
@strange python grats! im at least 15 runs in 9+'s atm, still nothing
ripe nimbus
Are u pulling 1 mob at a time. It does like 3to5% of my damage
strange python
@strange python i hate boon. It requires a static time that can be pretty hard to maximise in raid conditions
@strange python i found dice performs much more consistantely:( although sims far less
freehold is next
idle knoll
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
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strange python
going to do dice boon
glass vessel
@ripe nimbus nope, thorughout all of my m+'s i always look, regardless of small or large pulls it's always below 2%
ripe nimbus
Okay mine are 385 370 370 so maybe that's why
strange python
@strange python i play 8 hours a week or so. 6 of those are in raids. I need proper good luck to improve my gear ran 3 x 10s today no loot. Luckily two people gave me gear and i gained 100dps lol
glass vessel
yea that makes more sense
strange python
I have 359 item level
@ripe nimbus yea i have only 3 x 340 bits
3 weeks normal and hc bosses no luck
Even bonus rolling lol
glass vessel
personal loot lolol
fickle viper
Hey, can someone explain how Haste interacts with rupture/garrote and also with Exsanguinate? Want to understand how Galecallers affects Exsang usage exactly
strange python
Alts have 2-3 raid azerite pieces
charred lantern
guys what do we like on single target in azerite traits 3x DD ?
fickle viper
So it snapshots haste on rupture/garrote cast, and also on Exsang cast to empower the dots?
ripe nimbus
I haven't actually gotten any of the azerite my self besides my 385 one from weekly. The two 370 I got were traded to me from guild
God bless
fickle viper
Is ther any dynamic updating of stats? (also oter than haste)
strange python
@fickle viper when you exang the garrote and ruptures take into account your current stats if i understand it correctly
Even if it then drops off it remains constant during the duration.
strange python
Whereas if you just used GCB outside of exang
glass vessel
i never knew this.. i thought it was dynamic. rip
spice surge
only haste
spice surge
Mastery/crit/damage amp is dynamic
ripe nimbus
Master assassin sims 20 dps higher then subterfuge for me oh no
glass vessel
ah kk
strange python
i wonder if getting boon makes exsang better for me
@spice surge thank you for highlighting that. I was focusing on the GCB interaction with exang
glass vessel
probably. its the best trinket by a mile for exsang
ripe nimbus
I have 370 boon and exsang is still a 200 dps loss over TB I'm at 371 ilvl
hollow stone
Welcome to the boat @ripe nimbus
strange python
Thank you for adding that little part to round up the knowledge for those reading /salute
ripe nimbus
I think exsang ded after SS nerf
scenic marlin
what traits are people currently using for raiding? im having some issues since the SS nerf
glass vessel
probs tbh
strange python
@ripe nimbus i disagree. Its just not the best anymore. Its the easiest not to fuck ip
Up*
hollow stone
For raiding specifically, ilvl is king
glass vessel
sim yo self, ilvl isnt always king
scenic marlin
my 370 shoulders have the agil from rupture then everything else is 340
strange python
@hollow stone i level is only as good as the person using it
fickle viper
Just one thing for clarity, does it make a difference if you GCB for your rupture/garrote cast before you Exsang, or does it recalculate the dot/ticks when you cast Exsang entirely so you only need GCB for Exsang?
ripe nimbus
If it's not the best it's ded tho... amrite?
strange python
@fickle viper recalcs it for the exnag
spice surge
@fickle viper Second, only when you cast exsang
fickle viper
Thanks for the answers @strange python @spice surge 😃
hollow stone
Well, yeah, but if people ask a "cookie cutter question", ima give em a "cookie cutter answer"
strange python
Imagine your taking a photo. It snaps it at its current state and then develops. As long as you wait for it to fall off completely you have done your job :)
glass vessel
the only thing that's probably guaranteeed to be better, no matter what, is reorig if you have some stacks especially. have sims figured out how to incorporate thos eproerly yet?
strange python
@hollow stone then tell them 1 arch 1 matrix 1 dose
Maybe ss depending on item level or if you like the garrote rupture garrote opener
ripe nimbus
Raidbot does sim it now
hollow stone
Why not 2 arch, 1 dd? @strange python
glass vessel
awesome
hollow stone
😏
hollow stone
I dont think we want LM in absolute bis raid st gear
strange python
I dont have a singlr piece yet so ill take anything lol
hollow stone
Archive sims better
glass vessel
archive is by far and away the best trait atm. especially with those stacks it's insane
for 1 stack at least
hollow stone
And theres helm, shoulders, and chest w archive but only helm n chest with LM
fickle viper
Is SS stacking still worth for M+, or is Scent of Blood or even just ilvl more value now?
ripe nimbus
Overwhelming power is the best ST trait fight me
hollow stone
It also would depend on array stacks
summer yoke
I've seen some people walking around with 355-360 pvp daggers. Where are these obtained from?
strange python
But i may be wrong. As i am presuming they dont take the origination array into account
glass vessel
PvP
spice surge
😄
strange python
@fickle viper SS stack still best for m+
summer yoke
@glass vessel thanks asshole lol where specifically?
ripe nimbus
Get 500 conquest it's the first reward
glass vessel
@summer yoke RBG's or arena's im only playing
strange python
Ok if i was @hollow stone i would use 1 archive
hollow stone
It just seems odd that with archive simming higher than LM after LM nerf that we'd still want 1x LM, yknow?
strange python
Then other off raid pieces
summer yoke
I did, it gave me a 345 dagger
glass vessel
you gotta get higher rating
summer yoke
So out of the chests?
spice surge
It depends on your rating
ripe nimbus
I got an upgrade to 370 pvp token from pvp chest and upgraded the dagger so I have a 370 pvp dagger
spice surge
No
strange python
I am presuming the major damage is from reorigination array
glass vessel
higher rating, better ilvl
flint swift
The arena quest this week is for a pvp weapon upgrade, isn’t it?
summer yoke
Ahhh ok. Damn. Makes sense though
strange python
The stack only adds 476 dps
summer yoke
I'm 1600, is that still too low to get a 355 dagger?
spice surge
Nop
ripe nimbus
I'm 1600 and have a 370 pvp dagger
round ledge
@flint swift where you seeing that?
spice surge
You can get it, you just have to play until you get lucky and get a dagger. Unfortunately it could take you a lot of games as the gear is random
hollow stone
Yea. I think so too. So if you get 1 archive, that gives you your array buffs n then you would prob want 2x dd or sb on your other pieces, again, assuming all equal ilvl blah blah @limber dew
spice surge
And it takes like 10-15 games to get one item (in 2vs2 atleast)
summer yoke
@ripe nimbusdamn.. And you got it from a chest after an arena win?
@spice surge ok gotcha, so just play more. Got it! Lol
And hope I get lucky
strange python
Only thing we need to lool at is just how powerful they scale each week as it may just give it a raw dps increase from stat. But i would think that assumption would be a sound choice. @hollow stone
charred lantern
how do you guys open with MA can any1 tell
strange python
Ok back to massaging the misses feet
hollow stone
Good discussion @strange python
ripe nimbus
I got a 345 dagger first week from the 500 conquest then out of my weekly pvp chest I got a upgrade token to upgrade any pvp gear to 370 so I item restored the dagger and used it on the dagger
flint swift
@round ledge it’s from the weekly conquest cap quest.
peak saffron
if stat weights tell me haste is higher than agi, should I still socket an agi gem or just go with haste?
hollow stone
Haste gems fo lyfe boi
flint swift
There’s a token that upgrades a pvp weapon
hollow stone
I always run ct for m+
spice surge
You always run CT in dungeons
ripe nimbus
I've done 14 keys and I run PB
glass vessel
inconsistent
fickle viper
PB is meager overall dmg
hollow stone
Do you really? @ripe nimbus any numbers to back that up? Sorry if this came off as dickish
glass vessel
and 2% on bosses. CT is lightyears ahead for m+
hollow stone
Not intended to be
ripe nimbus
At least u can utilize PB on bosses
fickle viper
For like, 50k dmg?
glass vessel
it's ~2% of boss dmg vs. CT being WAY better on trash is the thing
hollow stone
Give him a chance to answer, guys
glass vessel
unless you're in crazy high keys on tryannical i dont think it's worth
ripe nimbus
Do u think bosses last 2 seconds on tyrannical week at 14 lvl?
glass vessel
no
you didnt say "i do 14 tyrannical keys with PB" you just said "i run PB over CT"
fickle viper
he did tho
summer yoke
@ripe nimbus how do you get the weekly conquest chest? I checked mine on Tuesday and nothing was in it. But I definitely hit my 500 conquest cap for that week
glass vessel
"ive run 14 keys and i run pb" is not "i run PB speciaclly for high keys"
ripe nimbus
Plus a majority of M+ is single targeting a prio target down
glass vessel
then why no sub?
ripe nimbus
Because I don't like sub?
flint swift
@summer yoke did you turn in the weekly cap quest?
ripe nimbus
U don't need to turn in that quest to get weekly chest u just need to get a rated battle ground rating and cap conquest the previous week
summer yoke
@flint swift hmm I thought I did? Maybe not. Is just over by the pvp weekly chest right? That's where the quest giver is?
ripe nimbus
Rated pvp rating*
daring imp
single targetting a prio target down? how?
if you treat m+ now like you treated legion you're gonna have a bad time @_@"
flint swift
Yeah but apparently you don’t need to turn it in according to critizin. I thought you did but maybe not.
glass vessel
@daring imp Infested
marble hemlock
cc infested, cleave, finish up infested
prime void
Cc the infested the majority of the time ?
daring imp
oh 'cuz the rest of the trash doesn't matter, just the infested? o_o
prime void
Like wut
glass vessel
it literally doesnt until infested is dead
unless it's cc'd which isn't always possible
flint swift
Infested is a joke anyway.
glass vessel
and not just infested, there's pulls where a specific mob is particularly deadly, and you want it dead asap
daring imp
most of the successful in time dgs i've ran were either cleaving them all but focusing infested
ripe nimbus
It's not just infested alot of things will wipe ur group if it's not dead first
daring imp
there's dungeons and dungeons, a few of them the infested doesn't matter because the mob is surrounded by the weak mobs
ripe nimbus
If u go into M+ to spam aoe stay to low keys lol
daring imp
that's nice in paper, critizin
lacking aoe will just hurt the overall time
with or without infested mob on the pack
glass vessel
your tank getting 1shot or your group getting wiped because that one mob, who is way more deadly than the other 4 "warrior" mobs around it, didnt die because you wanted to cleave is a lot worse
daring imp
that's a good argument on teeming/fort
glass vessel
that's not an argument, that's how it works for a large amount of m+ pulls
in higher keys
vast mulch
What is the easiest affix combination? Because I'm sure this is one of the hardest ones
proven ice
If your tank didn't live because the prio target died 10% slower, even though you're doing 25% more dungeon dps, the problem was mechanics, not dps output.
silk jolt
how much haste is too much
glass vessel
cool ima let berserkers in KR with fortitude live 10% longer so i can cleave 3 of them and see how my tank likes it in 10+'s
proven ice
Why don't you kidney shot them instead?
daring imp
you talking about the small berserkers or the huge guys??
civic palm
You can have too much Haste but that would require the scenario you are in the favor other stats. @silk jolt
ripe nimbus
U can tell when someone only does low keys
glass vessel
kidney shot is ST not cleave, literally my point lol
ripe nimbus
Just let them enjoy overall damage
glass vessel
true
final stone
@glass vessel or in FH lol ut look guys my dmg is littt
daring imp
well, for sure, the 2% st dmg with pb vs the amount ct contributes overall the entire dungeon will certainly be the difference between a tanking living and dying
glass vessel
meanwhile your tanks getting backhganded and buttfucked because you want to cleave the dogs down
@final stone lol
daring imp
i forgot, we have many pros here, i'm sorry
glass vessel
the PB/CT argument was completely different than what we are talking about now
sharp schooner
did you win any rated pvp games that week?
glass vessel
over bosses
proven ice
Please tell me nobody is running PB this week for M_
fickle viper
but i honestly still dont see how PB is gonna consistently help you do that, wont a big CT as part of exsang on prio target be better?
that = kill prio target in a pack
sand whale
why are people acting like CT someone completely nerfs your st dmg lol
proven ice
Like, even hidden dagger would be better, but don't take it either.
sand whale
okay I can't englsih
proven ice
You added adde a word
sand whale
lol
marble hemlock
the 2% PB does arent really gonna help you kill the boss or smth
unless youre fighting the goddamn 3rd boss in temple
civic palm
heh
marble hemlock
that asshole has some PBs coming
sand whale
but yes I can sit on berserker on high keys, no PB okay sure maybe my ST dmg on berserker might be slightly lower
azure geyser
People take PB in mythic plus during fortified because they’re lazy
sand whale
but if it gets to a point your PB makes meaningful difference
fickle viper
Is it worth the effort to go for a 5cp CT before you exsang? or not a big deal
sand whale
your group sucks
marble hemlock
no its not radical
proven ice
No radical, it's irrelivent
Because you're not refreshing CT in that window anyway, because the other mobs already have it.
marble hemlock
its simply due to its inconsistency that counting on PB to help you do something important is a losing strategy for m+, where consistency is the most important thing
glossy violet
why do you want deadly navigation on mainhand?? what is the benefit of it being mainhand
fickle viper
Yeah, but in terms of killing a prio target it does pump some extra dmg in right
civic palm
There is none.
pastel vault
No benefit
pastel cliff
would you guys prefer 3 SS traits for m+ or 2 SS and Titan or Lasermatrix ?
civic palm
Use w/e enchantment on w/e hand you want.
proven ice
3ss probably
civic palm
SS wins in M+
marble hemlock
weapon enchants are in alphabetical order from left to right
proven ice
Maybe 1 titan 2 ss,
civic palm
The stats from Archive are nice.
marble hemlock
so deadly mainhand, quick offhand
glossy violet
i can do 4ss in the window
void pecan
People arguing with seli.. Phew.
civic palm
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
proven ice
No you can't.
civic palm
You do 3
glossy violet
how do you not do 4? one that puts you out of stealth and 3 in subterfuge window
glass vessel
nah you only get 3 total in the window
fickle viper
He means he can cast 4 before subterfuge drops (so they all should be empowered)
glass vessel
if you actually manage to get 4 off in the subterfuge window, then it should work? the bug revolves around repplying out of subterfuge
proven ice
You literally can't
glass vessel
but i've never managed it
glossy violet
what is your haste
proven ice
Haste is irrelivent
glass vessel
haste doesnt matter lol
arctic isle
just get more haste 4head
glass vessel
it's GCD
opaque grotto
glossy violet
clap
proven ice
1 sec gcd classes don't get the haste reduction
glossy violet
great game
proven ice
I would have been way more OK with the nerf if they fixed it at the same time
civic palm
The only way to get 4 Garrotes in a SUB window is to Vanish for it.
proven ice
Then it's 2 sub windows tho
civic palm
but then you could get 6 >_> and not 4.
civic palm
Can double garrote 3 adds as well.
glossy violet
o ok ok
proven ice
Well yeah, on 5 mobs, vanish is a big dick cooldown
glossy violet
i am learning
glass vessel
it pandemics
civic palm
You need 3 PHAT mobs though, because you should be CTing before the Vanish to spend SOME of the CP mess you are generating.
and that's a lot of fucking DoT time.
marble hemlock
should also have at least 2 ruptures
otherwise the garrotes run out and youre starving energy
and starving is bad
glossy violet
ye
fickle viper
you want to wait with the 2nd set of garrotes until they are in pandemic range anyways right
marble hemlock
you shouldnt really vanish agrrote just for dps either
usually theres a few mobs you can iron-wire silence
proven ice
On +10 fortified, if your mobs die in 20 seconds I want to see logs.
civic palm
Any other use for Vanish in that 2min CD?
glossy violet
lol
marble hemlock
so if theyre still >50% hp the garrote will run full duration, and you get some nice silence-efficiency too
solid parrot
yeah silence is p clutch
hollow stone
10 fort mobs die in 10 sec w a frost mage, obviously 🙃
fickle viper
vanish for chainpulls / delayed infested pulls also nice
marble hemlock
yup
civic palm
Yarrr
proven ice
Not that it matters if the infested is the last mob, but you can restealth in between it dieing and the goonies spawning
hollow stone
Ty @proven ice i will now only and always refer to them as goonies
civic palm
Yeap.
proven ice
👌
umbral axle
with the nerf is assassinatino still performing pretty well?
glass vessel
ghuunies* c'mon bruh
civic palm
We were overperforming before the nerf.
proven ice
We'll have to see after this week
glass vessel
sin is still great in dungeons don't panic. it needed a nerf, it was a bit harsh, but it's all good
umbral axle
well yeah, but is it pretty solidly in line now?
proven ice
If we do well in fortified teeming week, there's no stopping us.
civic palm
our traits are in line now.
hollow stone
I know, niko but then people might read it as guh-hoonies. And that aint right, yo
umbral axle
How bout for raids? Still performing well?
daring imp
assassinatino is a good name for the spec
civic palm
If we're underperforming by Blizzards numbers we will probably get an aura buff but I doubt it unless we're down in raids as well.
proven ice
I understand the nerf. If your best cleave trait is your best single target trait, that's broken.
proven ice
Warriors had siesmic wave nerfed for that reason, rightfully so
civic palm
Best ST and Multi isn't OK.
marble hemlock
if your best trait is 50% better than any other trait, thats a problem
civic palm
2 birds 1 stone in this case.
deft locust
yep, SS was gonna get nerfed 100% for sure, I just wish they fixed the bug at the same time
D:
hollow stone
Insert "so buff the other traits" comment here
civic palm
Wasn't needed.
glass vessel
imo the only way they should have nerfed it by 40% tho is if they buffed rupture talent slightly, or something. 40% with no bug fix and no other traits buffs kinda blew ass
civic palm
Buffing other traits would have pushed them over the line that Blizzard wants spec traits at.
civic palm
SS is still King where it matters.
deft locust
so I'm not that bothered by the 40% nerf
worn ginkgo
Did anyone figure out if having (2) reorigination Array brings down the value ?
umbral axle
also, toxic blade vs exsanguinate post nerf, still about the same?
civic palm
The passive doesn't stack.
hollow stone
Array stacks do not stack
civic palm
So you are missing weight from the trait.
glass vessel
yea pretty close, more about prefference. TB is much easier ot play imo
proven ice
It's not even dumpister tier single target. It's still 8.71% vs the best single target at 10.88%
worn ginkgo
I know they don't so you only want one ?
umbral axle
you just wanna TB immediately after an eviscerate right?
civic palm
2 LM might be fine.
glass vessel
TB before i blieve, it increases all nature dmg
civic palm
2 Archive might as well, but there's a lot of ramp there.
proven ice
TB on cooldown on the mob you will be mutilating
hollow stone
With perfect gear, you only want 1 uldir trait, yes. But that's bis gear
worn ginkgo
ive got two Archive of the titans atm ..
glass vessel
3-4 CP -> TB -> env
umbral axle
oki
glass vessel
but pool energy first
proven ice
Don't pool if its *not * on CD