Reae above
#assassination
quartz rune
umbral comet
real cool
quartz rune
I just answered that question minutes ago tisp
I mean before SS nerf you had to pray harder
visual token
You can’t farm azurite so it’s always going to be like that
void raft
Ah I was confused with your post. Got it now
umbral comet
The trait for sub sucks
visual token
It’s still good?
quartz rune
Well so?
umbral comet
so?
visual token
Like SS is still good lol
umbral comet
Was better last week 😃
visual token
It’s still bis?
quartz rune
But still
quartz rune
I mean if u cant admit garrote was broken before the nerf idk
undone cairn
Is there a cap on how much mastery I should be aiming for my m+ setup?
umbral comet
Gonna need to get a azerite piece from m+ 10 weeks in a row to actually be able to use them for raids
void raft
Is there a new opener guide for raids ?
quartz rune
U want as high crit/mast as possible
hoary totem
Were rogues extremely powerful before the nerfs? well yeah.
umbral comet
😃 naisu systemu
void raft
Without SS and sub
hoary totem
are they meant to be? also yes
undone cairn
I got a 385 twist the knife out of my chest
undone cairn
And my 370 aott sims higher
solar summit
Maybe with SB if you are lucky enough to get it 385
undone cairn
lament dove
f* this, I'm going back to 3xSS and enjoy the playstyle and when someone asks about my dps I'll just point at my itemlevel
hoary totem
enjoy the feral lifestyle
umbral comet
Its true though @quartz rune My 385 azerite piece sims 100 dps more than my 340 azerite piece (in sub) because it has a worse trait
They need to buff some bad traits
fast
its a fucking 45 ilvl upgrade
undone cairn
It is a 385 bits but sub is trash kappa
half mortar
I got 3x sb and ss, so I will 3x ss in m+ should I use SB in raid ?
quartz rune
Its still an Upgrade lol
umbral comet
jesus christ dude
quartz rune
I mean not a big one but still
unreal bear
didnt they want to change it where ilvl upgrades should always be upgrades? lol
hoary totem
it should be a big one though, is his point I believe
umbral comet
A 45 ilvl upgrade should give more than 100 dps regardless of the trait
umbral plaza
what's sb?
hoary totem
sharpened blades
umbral comet
sharpened blades
peak rune
Hey, is 3x SS still the go to in M+?
umbral plaza
thx
umbral comet
its gonna get nerfed soon though, so dont bother farming it
hoary totem
so they claim
quartz rune
Yes Miro
unreal bear
it was already nerfed
solar summit
What's getting nerved now????
umbral comet
Everything that is good is gonna get nerfed. Just expect it so it doesent break ur heart
half mortar
Sharpened blades will get nerfed
quartz rune
I mean yea ofc it should be a big Upgrade but Azerite is still better than Relics in Legion
unreal bear
just save all of your azerite pieces 😃
umbral comet
Im not so sure if i agree
unreal bear
i doubt SB will get nerfed.
wet yew
I hate the blade trait, so unintuitive
half mortar
It crits pretty high boys
hoary totem
SB is engaging gameplay - Blizz probably
half mortar
I was critting 121k today
solar summit
Lol, maybe we should all go on strike, when population of a class gets low they buff it super hard so it becomes appealing again
wet yew
Like shamans ? Kappa
solar summit
Exactly
half mortar
Blizz will see it and get grumpy and nerf it
umbral comet
They just need to balance the fucking traits. Apparently that is fucking impossible
quartz rune
Well with relics you are fucked as soon as a trait gets nerfed ur more or less useless for the time u get new relics at decent ilvl. With azerite u can just go and change traits
glad ferry
why
peak rune
Crimson Tempst in m+ this week?
umbral comet
You cant fucking target azerite gear above 340 dou
quartz rune
Both systems have pros and cons
umbral comet
its just a trash system
hoary totem
I'm using my highest ilvl pieces right now and its all just RNG bullshit
feels terrible
umbral comet
They need to make it so m+ drops azerite gear
solar summit
The never ending chase to get the carrot, and the carrot isn't that great anyway
quartz rune
Otsu why would you have to raid at that point
solar summit
Hahahaha
woven dragon
I agree Otsu
solar summit
Nerf the carrot!
quartz rune
They dont want people to just play m+
hoary totem
just turn azerite gear into OG glyph system and add glyphs to the loot table
umbral comet
No, why the fuck should i HAVE to raid?
lone junco
🥕
willow mulch
so the goal is to use a normal opener again correct? (when you equip 3 archive of titans)
hoary totem
l0l
woven dragon
M+ should have a scaling Azerite reward based on the level of the key
umbral comet
high m+ is way harder than current HC raid content anyways
wet yew
I actually would dislike to farm azerite gear, they just have to make traits to not be so bad like double dose or smth
umbral comet
so why cant we be rewarded with azerite gear aswell?
woven dragon
2-4 is like 355 5-8 365 and so on
solar summit
The funny thing is that raid gear is so bad, I'm outgearing hc in less than a week
umbral comet
Lets force people to raid bois. Or let them pray to god for azerite gear in their cache LUL
quartz rune
Nah idk.. i think they should just change so you get 2 items from weekly.. 1 guaranteed Azerite and 1 random
woven dragon
The trinkets from this raid are LUL worthy
hoary totem
Raiding is still a shit chance at gear anyway
quartz rune
Farming from m+ would be too much i think
umbral comet
Yeah that would be pretty good Thuly. UNtill you are unlucky and get 9 shoulders in a row
quartz rune
It would be the dream yea but
woven dragon
Imagine getting a 375 trinket and never being able to use it 🤔
Imagine being able to enjoy this game 🤔
hoary totem
Did you see the buff to Frenetic Corpsule?
Only to slash the damage to 1/5th of the original
wet yew
I had a downgrade in my mythic cache this week, feelsbadman
hoary totem
fuck sake
quartz rune
Imagine sockets not beeing worth 15+ ilvls
umbral comet
A friend of mine got a 395 trinket that sims lower than the 355 darkmoon card 😃
woven dragon
Imagine having a beta to fix the issues before release 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
umbral comet
"balance"
quartz rune
I mean there are always fucked up things
hoary totem
Fathoms BiS until next expansions
visual token
I say we go back to only 40 man raids. Then eventually 20 mans.
umbral comet
At least fathom cant WF like old arcanocrystal
marble minnow
yo so if youre competing in m+ what is the go to rogue spec? i dont know if i should stay assass or switch
woven dragon
Okay, that’s no excuse though. This expansions feels rushed with lackluster content and poor balance decisions
umbral comet
No idea how many trinkets i farmed on my lock to never get a titanforged arcano
quartz rune
Yea it Kinda feels like Beta for Azeroth but
umbral comet
@marble minnow All 3 speccs are viable
woven dragon
It feels like I took a long break from legion to come back to WoD 2.0
lunar nebula
Guys, anyone knows where I can get a decent WA setup like the one ''infexious gaming'' is running?
quartz rune
Its just a non finished expansion which wad released like 2 months to eafly
umbral comet
I just pray that they actually buff the underperforming traits so you actually feel like you can use most of them
marble minnow
@umbral comet ok but if you were to compete in a tournament and have any gear you need, what spec would u go
oblique gale
traits are all shit anyway
twilit owl
What azerite Traits are you guys running for PvP? SS and SB isnt that good so im Wondering about DD or Twist the Knife?
quartz rune
Assa probably
oblique gale
for 3v3 1 ss 2 sob makes sense
umbral comet
Sub also has the best prio burst dps
undone cairn
Farm the bad traits and you'll get buffed overtime
twilit owl
@oblique gale the 3 CP from one stealth garrote ist realy nice, true
quartz rune
Assa is rly good on big pulls too
umbral comet
yeah
marble minnow
should i still run triple SS for m+?
umbral comet
Sub has burst aoe
marble minnow
interesting
quartz rune
It depends on teamcomp
umbral comet
shit?
oblique gale
yeah shit compared to other specs it goes shit
umbral comet
I was getting 80k evis crits at 350 dude
sand canyon
sub aoe is not bad.
oblique gale
as aoe
umbral comet
on big packs
oblique gale
as killing prio among a group it is best
quartz rune
Yea sub isnt bad but assa pulls ahead in big pulls
oblique gale
you are not getting 80k evisc crits at 350
umbral comet
i did 😃
quartz rune
Rly depends how many targets / prio targets
oblique gale
yeah just like that
gentle belfry
Yikes imagine being 350
umbral comet
nah, im 365 now, but i specifically remember getting 80k crits on a pack in Siege of boralus back when i was in m0 gear
sand whale
needz moar
sand canyon
yea lets hit the 50
oblique gale
just don't say that in sub channel they will murder you
visual token
Lol
sand canyon
umbral comet
hmm
sand canyon
why are here more subs then sins?
sand canyon
oh
umbral comet
Im forced to stay sin because i got a 385 piece with SS and trash sub trait. feelsbadman
I enjoy sin dou, so it alrite
I should get SB head so i can go 2x SB 1x SS for raids
undone cairn
I'm here cause sub aoe is too hard for me
royal lantern
im forced too stay sin
does your rl kill your family if you switch specs or something lol?
undone cairn
Does yours?
void spoke
I had full stacked haste gear and 3xSS, after nerf switched to sub until noticed that I actually still sim better for assas, although with a bit different gear pieces
Don't even wanna go to aoe
unique trellis
wut iz sb?
dusk sun
Sharpened blades
undone cairn
Poisoned knife dansgame
unique trellis
and can u guys share some good macros for sin?
dusk sun
would archive of the titans still be viable outside uldir??
vast patio
Unlikely.
strange python
Im using archive + 2 SS, sims more than 3 SS
slender smelt
Guys. Agility or bursting blood for single target?
sharp osprey
Hi all can anyone recommend some good weakauras to use?
feral nest
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
sharp osprey
ah thanks ill take a look
hollow stone
Agility @slender smelt
slender smelt
Ty
hollow stone
Archive is definitely usable outside of raids
versed slate
is Assassination still the better spec? Even after nerf
hollow stone
The decay of the stacks is slow enough that you keep it pretty high even in m+. Just dont die 😃
versed slate
Just hit 120 as an alt, trying to figure out between assin or outlaw
hollow stone
Sin, sub, and outlaw are within like 500dps in perfect gear so you do you my homie
proven pumice
The decay of the stacks?
You don't just instantly lose the Uldir buff upon leaving the instance?
hollow stone
Yea. The agi stacks you get from it
You dont get array, but archive stacks 12 agi every 5 sec up to 20 stacks
Those stacks delay slow enough that you can keep em up pretty well in m+
proven pumice
Ah, gotcha
hollow stone
I think it's 12 per stack at leat
Least*
Just make sure to sim it with 0 array stacks
proven pumice
So is there a bit of a rhythm you fellers use to hitting mutilate and envenom
I've been told not to spam it
But there are also periods in combat where you might use 3 cycles of mut>env in a row
devout jolt
dont spam incase you get a crit to instant 4 CP's. You dont want to over cap CP's
proven pumice
I don't think I've literally ever gotten 4 CP's from mutilate. I figured it was because of energy regen
devout jolt
well you should of once unless your crit is waste.
warped ermine
Isn't 1 SS and 2 DD useless since you're running MA? Garrote and then mutilate makes me overcap
Single target that is
sharp osprey
here's a question that i haven't been able to get an answer on say you've just applied a garotte and you then mutilate and get 4 CP's should you envenom or cast a new garotte to take you to 5 CP's or use the 4 CP's (provided garotte is off CD)
devout jolt
Envenom
warped ermine
Im just a shit player but I only use garrote to go from 4-5 CP if it's around 10 seconds from expiring. Otherwise you're just wasting ticks
sharp osprey
ah right ill try to get out of doing that then thanks
devout jolt
I was like that at the start of legion lul
foggy fern
at 4 cp, it's better to just use a finisher rather than waste 1 cb with another mut to get to 5, right?
proven pumice
But what if your garrote can be reapplied for pandemic to get you to 5 cp
sharp osprey
yes @foggy fern
unreal coyote
well env is more of your dmg without ss triats than garrote yeh/
so wouldnt it still be better
to get the env
mellow cypress
Hey boys is there a good video guide for assa that I can watch? Trying to make sense of the spec. Seems really confusing and like people are running 4-5 different builds
sharp osprey
yeh lots of builds going around at the moment due to the change to the azarite traits
mellow cypress
Ehh the pins have the ravenholdt guide which is outdated af and also no video but thx
fresh bough
Yeah lol
warped ermine
Infexious is usually pretty good
unreal coyote
umm
mellow cypress
Ok thx
fresh bough
Yeah infexious is normally solid
ripe geyser
What opener do you guys use when using MA
spark pike
nattle aswell
fresh bough
Guess he's updating or testing his own
devout jolt
Garrote > multilate > rupture > mut mut tb vanish envenom mut (pray for crit ) envenom
ripe geyser
Hmm ye, i found the "No Shrouded Suffocation powers for Toxic Blade" on guide
calm marsh
hey guys one question... how come that for aoe crit and mastery sim so high... but when i switch my gear i do way fewer dmg than with high haste.. talking about +10/11/12 keys... with crit mastery i´m at 12-13k, with high haste at 16-18k 😮
ripe geyser
Feels so calm to play x2 Archive and x1 Laser Matrix in ST
devout jolt
is it even worth stacking 3 uldir traits?
gentle belfry
In uldir, yes
devout jolt
FS 😂 going to need so many gear sets now
ripe geyser
on pure ST atleast
stark dome
Switching from outlaw, where do I start? the guide looks outdated
devout jolt
start at the guide
gentle belfry
It's up to date :0-
stark dome
Okay! Thanks
ripe geyser
@stark dome Get Ss traits for m+, SB traits if u wanna play the most boring shit for ST, x2 Double Dose x1 SS is ok for ST i guess(?), x3 uldir traits for chill and good outcome in raid
:^)
mellow cypress
anyone having succsss with double dose? Getting shit numbers even on boss st fights
devout jolt
im going 2 x DD 1 x Uldir until i get 3 uldir lul
ripe geyser
@mellow cypress only got low ilvl DD so havent tried D:
stark dome
I only m+, so SS is better than SB for m+?
shadow pivot
Playing 1x DD 1x SS 1x Archive rn, pulled out pretty much the same numbers on heroic yesterday than I was with 3x SS.
1x Archive 2x SS in m+ Seems to be da way too.
ripe geyser
@devout jolt Pretty much sim yo self but Archive is better according to Bloodmallet, my LM is doing like 1-3% depending on fight
stark dome
Thanks! this is all super new to me, been playing outlaw since start of xpac lol
I appreciate all the help
timid grotto
@shadow pivot hvae u tried 3x DD or 2xDD yet?
ripe geyser
Fotmlaw 
devout jolt
cheers @ripe geyser i have both but used laser last night and it did more healing than damage, will sim when i get home]
ripe geyser
@devout jolt ye i dont rlly understand Laser myself xd feels like it goes ham sometimes and just sit in background sometimes
devout jolt
I wasnt bottom on the healing meters so I have that going for me
shadow pivot
@timid grotto tried only on sims, seems to be weaker
main rain
@shadow pivot 2xss 1xarchive seems interesting for m+. Did you do 3xss to compare?
timid grotto
hm
shadow pivot
i sim higher with1 1x archive 2x ss on cleave/heavy aoe, so i'm sticking with it - but its mostly because 370 ilvl head with archive vs 340 head SS I guess
devout jolt
with Archive, does it hit 20 stacks then sit there until combat ends?
ripe geyser
Yes perkins
shadow pivot
yup. And slowly decay between fights, so as long as you don't wipe, you keep the stacks above 15+ all run long in M+
devout jolt
what a well thought out trait blizz 🔥
ripe geyser
then it goes down slow, so still pretty good for m+, i got x2 pieces so kinda ~500 agi boost 24/7
shadow pivot
basically archive is an extra flask
versed finch
I too am running 1x archive 2x ss, the only piece I could really replace is the 340 head. And I guess then itd have to be LM or DD. But idk if 1 of those is better than having 2 ss
vestal abyss
press tab twice
versed finch
And try to position yourself so next mob is in front of you
devout jolt
still dont have a SS head 😦
ripe geyser
@devout jolt i consider going sub for m+ tbh xd
tropic furnace
Why?
amber briar
devout jolt
I cant do Sub, probably because Im a bad player its just not fun
ripe geyser
I pref sub when you have bigger pulls aka not bolstering or necrotic
devout jolt
yeah, I can see that, go sub for Zul but I enjoy the play style of Sin, applying bleeds and poisons etc. Been Sin since TBC and never looked back
shadow pivot
sub is simply stronger in fights where you keep 5+ target alive for a long time
vestal wren
its only mythic
ripe geyser
@devout jolt Zul on which diff? I feel like sub is only working on Zul Mythic tbh
shadow pivot
sin wrecks sub ass in 2-4 target situation
vestal wren
and you can play mos instead of tornado as well there
reef swift
Can someone tell me in m+, if i have only 2 SS traits, do i only get 2 garrotes out of stealth and then wait till they fall off before i apply the unbuffed garrote?
tropic furnace
I'm still smashing it on M+
shadow pivot
it's not about difficulty for subs on Zul
its about the strat ur group does
Sub needs the cruggs not to be killed to perform on zul
devout jolt
yeah, its was HC, tried one pull and said fuck this and went back to sin
vestal wren
its only on mythic
ripe geyser
@shadow pivot ye and cruggs die in seconds on HC
vestal wren
sub just pushed the kill time significantly on the fight
shadow pivot
we're intentionally not killing them in hc w/ my guild, so i switch to sub on this fight
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
vestal wren
just look at m+ statistics
strange python
i suppose its not even a bug at this point
reef swift
@main rain ty man
strange python
blizzard is just fucking cunts
vestal wren
they could just nerf the spec by 5% but they only nerfed 1 trait
devout jolt
@reef swift you can still get 3 garrotes done, the dmg wont be as high as 3 ss traits, that is all
vestal wren
what means they know why sin was to strong
devout jolt
and they nerfed it by fucking 40%
vestal wren
if you look at the outlaw nerf blizz seemed to have no clue
yes 25% would be fine, 40% is a bit high
reef swift
@devout jolt that was the answer i was really looking for, so with 2 SS traits i can still do 3 garrotes while subterfuge?
vestal wren
the spec still remains strong
warped ermine
blizz probably use noxxic to find out what to nerf 😃
devout jolt
@reef swift yeah man. stacking the trait only increase the damage on the tic, no the amount. I got you brah
vestal wren
heroic statistics from last day so with assassination beeing dead
devout jolt
hahaha
placid elbow
You can do it on 1SS
devout jolt
if not top, ded
clear blaze
heroic :^)
ripe geyser
+1 Perkins
modern walrus
vestal wren
well 🤷
devout jolt
well shit, probably a lot care tbh
acoustic breach
Heroic lol
devout jolt
mainly the demo locks
main rain
Wonder how the Shaman demographic will change throughout bfa
devout jolt
we'll see when 8.1 hits
vestal wren
a lot of wcl statistics are quite screwed
daring imp
[11:46 AM] Perkins: if not top, ded +1 lul
vestal wren
e.g. mother logs often just mean you are in a late group and makes rogue look better
daring imp
check fight by fight
azure bear
or your RL doesnt care and let you go through in p1
versed finch
When using CT in mythic + do you guys open with 3x garrote then CT then fok to rupture then fok envenom priority?
azure bear
grp1*
vestal wren
and just looking at mother, dh is #1 there while offering a lot more then rogue (but dh's burst aoe just plays very well to the adds)
devout jolt
my RL put me in an early group, let me go in to the 3rd room then lusted and killed her in the second room
vestal wren
its hc
🤷
we had rogues going in early groups and balance druids staying on boss 24/7
those balance druides where striking 10th in damagemeter
bleak river
how do you handle dungeons with smallies where classes like mages/dhs wreck them?
vestal wren
the concept of the fight is nice with the campers but works out that 2/3 of the players lose dps and the rest play a patchwork fight with a damage amp if p3 is reached
ripe comet
let dh's and mages do their job and bleed the big ones
next creek
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > mastery > vers >= haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.
mellow pier
@vestal wren the designing gets worse in mythic
Ideally if u had 3 melee or less for every boss ur good
vestal wren
you want to do adds in mythic 😛
versed finch
Any pro sins out there, tell me your opener with ct in mythic +
vestal wren
dk for grap probably
mellow pier
Fetid u could bring 4 to 5 rogues cause our burst dmg and cloak the debuff
Which is huge imo
vestal wren
zul you want sub for aoe->st
mellow pier
Ya
ripe comet
garrot , garrot , garrot, Ct , FoK , rupture , FoK , rupture , Fok , rupture => FoK / Ct at 4 / 5
mellow pier
But last 2 bosses u only bring melee for their raid buffs
wheat zealot
Basically just gear a warlock alt for every fight besides zul
mellow pier
Which is sad imo
wheat zealot
mellow pier
Warrior/DH raid buffs op
mellow pier
Its worse this tier
warm parcel
Its super bad rn
warm parcel
Due to this tiers affix being spreading aoe
versed finch
And only rupture 3 targets for energy regen to fok envenom?
warm parcel
Mhm
mellow pier
Basically ur raid grouo should be 3 to 4 warlocks 3 to4 arcane mages and 2 boomkins
And ur good
warm parcel
Bm
mellow pier
Oh ya
void pecan
With one or two melee for funsies.
pseudo void
!azurite
mellow pier
Throw them in there when arcane isnt good
warm parcel
Sometimes destro
mellow pier
And ur good to go
silk carbon
is ep always better than mp?
dense quest
most of the times
pseudo void
!azerite
prisma monolithBOT
Do my azerite traits stack?
The damage part of azerite Stacks.
Other components can be assumed to stack however with some exceptions and limitations.
You can check https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/azerite-stacks/1t-t22-assassination for estimations.
mellow pier
@warm parcel u still in memento?
vestal abyss
How do I compare my Warcraftlog ability timeline to one of someone else (a top parse)?
mellow pier
@vestal abyss it would,prob be more useful to compare to someone who has same azerite traits as u imo
vestal abyss
okay well how do i do that?
mellow pier
Event, casts is what i use
vestal abyss
do you compare it by eye?
pseudo void
Hello, Why is sharpened blades stacking so good ? Is it worth it for aoe/M+ situations ? I got a set with 2 stack of sharpened blades, and wanted to find out if i should hunt for Shrouded suffocation gear ?
vestal abyss
Because of relatively high damage. No. Yes.
mellow cypress
If you don’t want to sit ghuun go outlaw and run orbs lol
strange python
Do you delay exsang for galecallers?
warm parcel
No
strange python
thx man
warm parcel
Locks have other good aspects for the fight in general. Melee also just sucks.
hollow stone
Very true. Strong on p1 and p3 im sure. Im not good enough to have real ghuun experience tho 😃
Melee is always sucky 😩
woeful moth
DD or SB? SB feels really gimmicky.
devout moth
how worse is Sin now on m+ compared to pre nerf?
hollow stone
Both dd and sb are pure st traits
Do with that what you will
Its still super strong in m+. Just not stupid god tier like it was
hollow stone
Pretty even. Ive been beating the sub rogue i run with in overall dmg consistently. Havent played w an outlaw yet
robust axle
On how many targets do I use CT as finisher over envenom, when the CT bleed is already up?
woeful moth
My sub Simms 1k less than my sin right now and both are evenly geared
devout moth
my sub sims 1k over sin with even gear
hollow stone
Ive been using ct as my finisher in 6+ or just maintaining bleed if lower than 6 mobs
Idk if thats optimized tho
mellow cypress
I’m struggling to make the switch from outlaw. So much to test. I’m running 9-10 keys as outlaw but can get that practice as assa b/c I have 340 daggers.
Gotta field test ss vs blightborne vs SB
hollow stone
Oh the weapon struggle. I feel you, bruva
unkempt wing
is ss still way better then other traits on m+ ? i switched from 3 to 1 after the nerf and i feel like im doing less 😄
unreal coyote
40% was still over the top i feel liek 20 would have been a better route
especially since helmet dh still sitting pretty
hollow stone
Yea. It sucks doing comparable dmg to every other class in m+ now
upper harbor
!uldir
viral burrow
Hey guys, https://bloodmallet.com/index.html#rogue_assassination?data_view=azerite_traits&type=head I got the engineering head, and it sims quite low on ST, it says ilvl 355. Does anyone know whether or not i'm better off farming for the motherlode head or keep it as is?
late moat
so what are best traits now for sin ? 3x double dose ?
hollow stone
From a raid stand point im a fan of the change. But thats opinion. I understand what youre saying
sand canyon
😦
unreal coyote
then again the real evil is how irritating it is to target and obtain the traits you want
dense quest
just get all the azerite pcs from raid problem solve
if the traits isnt BIS they will nerf every other trait so that it will be
mystic urchin
are the ravenholdt sin guide openers correct?
sonic spindle
Should be, have openers changed?
devout jolt
i think people think it changed due to ss nerf
viscid onyx
So what to stack now for m+ dungeons ?
prisma crescent
opener is just different with ss
wintry compass
SS is still the best for M+
viscid onyx
Ty guys 😃
mystic urchin
I was asking because I watched Spookiee from method play sin and he had a completely different opener and no SS
but maybe mythics strats
so was just wondering no biggie
wintry compass
what boss though
sonic spindle
Do you recall his opener? I’m curious
devout jolt
i think he has full uldir traits and running tb
viscid onyx
I have 2 ss head and shoulders and the hc cheat from uldir, should i use then 2x ss and 1 with the agi stack While in combat or just 3x ss?
wintry compass
spookiee is run 1 lazer matrix and 2 archive
inner pulsar
If you dont have SS, then you would be using Master Assassin, which would be different than if you were running Subterfuge
devout jolt
what for Scaandal? M+ or Raiding
inner pulsar
So if you are using MA, you use one of the first two openers
Depending on whether you are running Toxic Blade or Exsang
wintry compass
exsang loses alot of value when you dont run SS
inner pulsar
Right, I would be surprised if you were running Exsang without SS
tropic furnace
what about using only 1X SS
ancient stag
shrouded suffocation got nerfed right? or is that next week
wintry compass
then you just get 2 CPs on opener and vanish for 1 trait essentially
inner pulsar
Then you probably still use Subterfuge, but may or may not be using Exsang
As always, Sim yo self
mystic urchin
@sonic spindle I just asked spookiee on stream
tropic furnace
I was doing really nice in m+ with
mystic urchin
@sonic spindle he just relinked ravenholdt to me
tropic furnace
1x ss 1x dd 1x scent
viscid onyx
@devout jolt m+
wintry compass
scent is agi on rupture right?
ancient stag
is the ravenholdt guide updated with ss nerf?
devout jolt
@viscid onyx trip ss is great but 2xss 1x agi stack is strong too
as you should be able to keep high stacks throughout the m+
tropic furnace
I've got 1x DD due to the fact I got 385 from chest
viscid onyx
Ok ty 😃
devout jolt
@ancient stag it didnt need to be, ss is still viable
ancient stag
oh gotcha
tropic furnace
I'm guessing its viable but some other builds should pop now
cause its not OP as it used to be
wintry compass
I liked SS not just because the burst but the fact it changed opener and added value to vanish
sonic spindle
I liked the SS opener, it felt smoother to me.
nocturne cradle
We all agree on that
devout jolt
i liked the speed of the opener
sonic spindle
I honestly wish that we have tier sets and SS was the tier bonus. Traits are kind of lame atm
wintry compass
yeah i think tier will be back next expac
inner pulsar
Traits are essentially tier bonus
wintry compass
if not sooner
too many traits when they could hardly balance tier sets and trinkets alone
inner pulsar
Now I agree with that, I think this didnt go like they wanted
sonic spindle
Too many passive traits, maybe if they affected rotations or something like legos did and they weren’t obnoxious to farm it would be cool
dense quest
stuff that changes gameplay is too hard to balance for blizzard
devout jolt
they need to half the amount of them and rework all of them
dense quest
they just need to make it add x stat to x ability for x class
ancient stag
icyveins has sharpened blade simming high hmmm
inner pulsar
Stop right there
ancient stag
HMM
devout jolt
ss was a bit op, but 40% was harsh, but they should of then made a poison trait too so both play styles can get used
inner pulsar
Don't bother with Icyveins
ancient stag
sims are from bloodmallett tho which is a good site
clever coral
what other trait should i run with archive for raiding/m+?
sonic spindle
I didn’t expect 40% at all. I knew the nerf was coming though
wheat zealot
I was expecting more like 25%
devout jolt
@clever coral will be different for both
inner pulsar
Problem is getting 3xSB on raid quality gear
ancient stag
its only good if you have 3 stack?
light tusk
and SB is just not fun to play at all
devout jolt
@clever coral archive and 2 x ss is good for m+ (ss x 3 is also good)
clever coral
@devout jolt how about for raid?
celest drift
Archive/matrix/SS looking fine in raid
sonic spindle
Does SB indicate when it’s full stacks or do you need a WA for it?
autumn adder
At this point should i just take ilvl upgrades over traits?
peak harbor
Yeah does anyone have WA for SB ?
clever coral
dont have more archive or laser gear, what about the normal traits?
sonic spindle
I’m hoping Blizz would make it light up, but I haven’t used the trait and I have no faith
inner pulsar
Sharpened Blades: https://wago.io/r14XptS_7
ancient stag
is ss even worth it with only 1 tho...
clever coral
thinking about keeping at least 1 ss for bonus CP
peak harbor
@inner pulsar thanks m8
inner pulsar
@clever coral
devout jolt
@clever coral sim all the options you have tbh
changes per persons gear so copying others may not even be best for you
clever coral
i sim but got less dmg even tho it recommended other gear with same ilvl
inner pulsar
Yeah, resist the urge to feelcraft
sonic spindle
When you say got less dmg, you mean ingame?
quartz depot
try with exsang
devout jolt
youre also not using exsang so ss is pointless
lone junco
@peak harbor takes exactly 4seconds to make your own SB weak aura. Trigger >=28. Aura SB. Done.
devout jolt
better off hand and trickets will help too but thats just gearing/luck
placid elbow
What is the nightly build?
clever coral
read that exsang is better for ppl with a bit higher gear
devout jolt
sim different talents to see whats better for you
lone junco
Exang is my top. But I use 1ss
patent tide
exsang is better since 360 ilvl no ?
lone junco
And gave GC. And high haste.
versed finch
Yeah exsang doesnt sim higher for me and I use 2xss?
peak harbor
@lone junco never worked with WA before 😄
lone junco
No.
quartz depot
get more haste
devout jolt
i use 1 x ss and bleedlyf is real
lone junco
@peak harbor New. aura. Trigger. Type in buff and own only. Then stacks >=28. Done.
fathom lynx
!weakaura
sonic spindle
!wa
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fathom lynx
thanks man
inner pulsar
@clever coral Ok, but 1.) Not better for you. 2.) Your gear is really low. and 3.) You should probably be using Master Assassin instead of Subterfuge if you arent running SS
sonic spindle
I need to resim. I thought subterfuge was the best talent regardless
clever coral
MA even tho i got 1 SS ?
devout jolt
but you aren't using exsang so ss is pointless for you
clever coral
ah
inner pulsar
You didn't have 1 SS in the second sim. If you are running even 1 SS then maybe, but sim it out
devout jolt
so , MA for TB
hoary umbra
Someone knows macros well? Is it possible to display CD on a macro. Like I have a trinket macroed to a spell, but I want to see the spell's CD but not the trinket
inner pulsar
put the trinket second
devout jolt
^
inner pulsar
That is another option
inner pulsar
No
devout jolt
#showtooltip goes first
inner pulsar
Yeah
limber dew
so when using SB, do you just use when its at 30 stack?
inner pulsar
or #showtooltip Toxic Blade first, then you can have the trinket and cast in any order
devout jolt
#showtooltip Toxic Blade
/use Toxic Blade
/use 13
limber dew
and then try and time your DPS cds to vanish and use it?
ancient stag
bloodmallet says SS is cabbage
sonic spindle
I haven’t used it, but you should just use it on CD id imagine.
Damn it’s cabbage though?
ancient stag
i can see it
clever coral
does the archive stack disapear if u change trait?
inner pulsar
29+ I believe is the number, and yes, use with CDs if possible, but don't hold for more than a few secs
placid elbow
Some weird simming lmao
Guess i'll go test onthe dummy how DOom's Wake works with MA
devout jolt
@clever coral yes, it only buffs you when you have that trait active, it also goes down when not in combat
clever coral
so if i change it back to archive after that i have changed to like ss, does itstart at 0 stacks then?
shit i mean reorgination array
inner pulsar
No it does not then
devout jolt
no, it goes. See it as a talent. If you have it selected, you ge the buff, if you change to ss, you dont have the buff
its not like a food/flask buff that stay on you once you are no longer eating.
hollow stone
Array stacks on you even if you dont have an uldir az piece (you dont get the stacks unless youre wearing one, but you still gain the stacks so when you get one you get the stacks)
Hope that makes sense
devout jolt
@clever coral are you talking about the agi buff or the arry stack within Uldir raid?
inner pulsar
Your stacks of REorg Array are tied to your character. Wearing the piece, changing the trait, none of that changes it. Obviously the trait has to be active to benefit from the buff though
clever coral
array stacks in uldir raid
hollow stone
See what i said. Lemme know if that needs clarification lol
placid elbow
So if i have Archive and i remove it and put Laser, the stacks stays the same?
inner pulsar
@devout jolt Way to go man, way to go
devout jolt
^ they are both correct you always have them but only active when a trait is active
fossil furnace
Sorry for the newbie question, but when running subterfuge and suffocation... when in a dungeon should you triple garrote and cap combo points or get 2 garrotes and a 5 CP rupture?
onyx wind
clever coral
okey then i can have 2 SS without losing stacks when i change it back to array, wasent sure if it reseted array stacks
placid elbow
@inner pulsar niceee, i was worried that it wouldn't haha.
fossil furnace
@onyx wind thanks, I felt like that was right but I wanted confirmation
devout jolt
@clever coral you're good doing that but it may get expensive
clever coral
😆
loud niche
can anyone explain why im pulling trash dps with sin? im simming 13.2k
hollow stone
It will get expensive :p
loud niche
but when i try to run a dummy im at lik 9-10k
devout jolt
will being the correct word
agile quail
Is SB x1 even worth using?
inner pulsar
@loud niche Did you read the guide?
timid grotto
does the opener change when using ct ?
hollow stone
Are you using uldir az pieces @loud niche
hollow stone
If you are, array may be the difference. But that seems like a big swing
elfin tiger
why is 1x archives 1x laser simming higher than 2x archives? 🤔
wary anchor
how much haste do i need to play exang?
placid elbow
uhhhh
hollow stone
Sim auto accounts for array stacks unless you turn them off in sim
inner pulsar
@loud niche Ok, can you post a quick sim?
placid elbow
If you're simming 13.5K or something and do like 10/11K on the Dummy... i think that's about right
inner pulsar
@wary anchor
devout jolt
your name works so well in those moments
inner pulsar
Yeah
devout jolt
the hero we don't deserve
wary anchor
simming 300 dps lower with exang
inner pulsar
Seeing as how I have to type it 13,897 times a day, I figured I would save myself some keystrokes
twin egret
did twist the knife get nerfed in pvp?
inner pulsar
@wary anchor Then you dont have enough haste
clever mural
If i want to sim stat weight for m+, which profile should i choose?
inner pulsar
And I know it seems like a dick answer, but their isnt a breakpoint or linear answer
wary anchor
so u need like 20%?
inner pulsar
No, you need to sim yourself until it says it is better
wary anchor
does the sim take into account the reorigination array thing
inner pulsar
Haste break point 25%?
No. There is no magic number. There is no break point. There is just what sim tells you to get.
From the guide that everyone says they read
inner pulsar
@clever mural There isn't really a good way to sim that I'm afraid
loud niche
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/enF5Kg72bNDYwzkrPLGZ7S change in my pants master > crit
static shore
So our bis traits for raiding is?
fossil furnace
Is there any sweetspot for number of CPs to spend on a rupture when AOEing? I understand it depends on how long the mob will live but do you always go for 5 CPs or sometimes like 3ish?
gilded kite
@inner pulsar is the idea behind exang becoming better with haste coming from the energy regen or what
visual token
Moar ticks
loud niche
im simming about .4% higher dps with tb > exang
twin egret
i think its mainly bc haste increases the ticks of bleeds
devout jolt
@fossil furnace depending on the pack size and how may cp's i get back off of 1 fok is how i do it
visual token
More haste more ticks
gilded kite
So the haste stacks on the 100% bleed out inceease
visual token
Yes
Say your haste gives you 4 more ticks (random number) it is then further increases by that talent
gilded kite
Ok the way I was understanding it was you did x damage in 20 sec. Or x damage in 10 sec
So then 8?
By your example?
hollow stone
What you just said is correct. The haste is applied to your initial bleed and then the duration between ticks is halved
Its x in 20 or x in 10. In that example
visual token
Ah I thought exang doubled it. I was incorrect with that.
gilded kite
So it just makes your damage hit faster. Over all not more times within the window
strange python
does anyone know how to blacklist everything but rupture and garrote above nameplates
hollow stone
Right
visual token
Idk I use icehud to track things on my target
slate agate
should at least 1x SS be mandatory for m+ ?
delicate needle
noob question but if you refresh an SS garrote with a normal one prematurely, do you lose the bonus damage?
hollow stone
X remains the same, the duration that you reach x is quicker so it ends up being double dps but only in that window, does that make sense?
gilded kite
Ya then you reapply after window
hollow stone
I can use numbers to explain, if that would help
gilded kite
And therefore more damage in same over all window
white seal
Whats the best 3 azerite combo now when SS is nerfed?
hollow stone
Yea. More dmg in the 20 se window
solid parrot
rip got bracers from warfront lol
gilded kite
Got it. Sorry
frosty obsidian
@strange python you can use plater nameplates
clever mural
well i tried hecticaddcleave and beastlord but sim told me to collect more haste even i have >20%
frosty obsidian
Plater nameplates
hollow stone
Its viable but you have to see which sims higher. After ss nerf most have tb simming higher
gilded kite
Ya
hollow stone
Exsang is still great for just that, arena, rbg killing healers etc
lone junco
Tb still hits hard tho.
gilded kite
And Tb to preempt envenoms?
hollow stone
If you can do 20k dmg in 10 sec instead of 20k in 20 sec, thats more healer pressure
hollow stone
You want 2+ 4-5cp env in your tb window
hollow stone
Tb buff increase all nature dmg including env insta dmg, poison dots, poison bomb and so on
(Even nature dmg traits would be increased)
gilded kite
Word
sonic spindle
Is it worth holding for that window?
lilac lily
optimally you should pool some energy before TB comes off cd
But seal fate luck also plays a big part
if you only get 2cp per mut every time you're screwed
hollow stone
In pvp definitely. In pve you want to try to plan ahead. Apply your dots to be over 10sec before using tb and then you ideally want to be at 3cp w full bleeds when you tb into env
hollow pine
@hollow stone Its worth to dump +3 in TB window, or only 4's and 5's?
hollow stone
But yea
hollow stone
Id only use a 3cp env at the very end if you know you wont get a 3rd 4-5cp env
loud niche
simmin 14k
hollow pine
Alright
loud niche
what am i doing wroooooong
sonic spindle
Are you 8.3 in fights or on a dummy?
shell viper
Im currently using high ilvl azerite pieces but the traits are horrible. Is it worth using 3x good traits over high ilvl azerite armor?
weary verge
Is there a consensus on MA vs Subter post-nerf?
loud niche
dummy
hollow stone
Sim accounts for full raid buffs: flask, pots, battle shout, maybe array stacks
But thats still a big difference
sonic spindle
Does the sims match your buffs? Lust, etc
hollow stone
It must be a rotato issue
shell viper
I was just lookin if it was worth even simming it, appreciate the wonderful feedback 😉
hollow stone
In raids, probably not @shell viper ilvl is basically king in a raid environment
loud niche
im running another sim no buffs atm
i mean, i cant think of anything im doing wrong with the rotation
should i save tb instead of use on cd?
shell viper
Ahh gotcha. thanks
hollow stone
Scroll up river
loud niche
guide said on cd
hollow stone
I just broke down that exact question
loud niche
i see
shell viper
Preferably you want to be able to envenom after TB but its honestly more efficient to use on CD and doesnt matter from what I have heard @loud niche
loud niche
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/o9iCXKZa7uTt1NFSouxctE no buffs selected
sonic spindle
I’d like to see the new sim too @loud niche
hollow stone
The way sin plays, try to constantly think 5+ seconds ahead of your current action. If you arent over capping energy or cps, youre not losing dos
Dps
sonic spindle
There’s we go
delicate needle
what are you guys thoughts on going full crit for more consistency, the rank 1 mythic+ sin rogue atm is only running 4% haste
quaint sequoia
is he running exsang or TB?
sonic spindle
Crit should be better in aoe situations, so that makes sense
sand canyon
ppl understime sub hardcore i love it 😄
hollow stone
If we're talking PURE aoe, crit and mast are our best stats
And you tab ruptures n garrotes for energy regen
sage cipher
has assa garoote shet been fixed
?
where u garrote 3 targets through subterfuge and if u do 1 normal on another target all of em becomes normal ones
dense quest
not fixed
somber moon
Omg.. I've been fucking up this whole time then
sage cipher
noticed my dps was shet. tought they fixed it..
hollow stone
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
hollow stone
At this point, assume it will never be fixed
karmic ingot
Its just the SS bonus that gets removed right? Not subterfuge. It won’t make as big of a difference as you’d think. Especially after the nerf.
hollow stone
We've opened multiple bug reports since over a month ago
solar fog
What if the garrote bug is actually part of the nerf, so they just decided to leave it on 
hollow stone
No. Its the subt and ss buff that gets removed
twin egret
my dudes
hollow stone
Or w/e
twin egret
is twist the knife nerfed in pvp
hollow stone
Idk. But it feels bad
spice surge
Yes ado
hollow stone
@twin egret yup
spice surge
Its 80% less effective
twin egret
what do you suggest I run then in pvp?
spice surge
Scent
twin egret
is it buffed in pvp
spice surge
No
twin egret
so why would i run it over archive of the titans
loud niche
so im holding about9.5-10.8 now (the large margin there is def due to my errors, i messed up a couple garrotes for tb 2x enven)
hollow stone
Im running 1x lm, 1x ss, 1x dd in arena. Seems ok
loud niche
yet this says 10.2, so why am i able to hold higher than that for a long period of time?
dense nest
does it matter which hand do I keep my enchants in?
if not, explain this https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/askzNne65zhjsuRquhbqry
hollow stone
The sim is a 5 min fight. If you dont hit the dummy for 5 min it will be off
twin egret
it just seems archive of the titans seems much more effective than scent of blood
or stacking double dose really
warm cove
error margin @dense nest
hollow stone
It makes a negligible difference if any, @dense nest
dense nest
ok thanks guys so its whatever
sage cipher
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8ezAJGSTCaXXXk5FzWitdD man give me haste plz
warm cove
yeah sim it 10 times u get different results
hollow stone
You can sim the exact same talents with the exact same gear and it can give you different sims
dense nest
what trait setup are you guys running?
sage cipher
worth going troll?
hollow stone
For raid, highest ilvl. For m+, archive, ss, and my 385 helm w a shit trait. For pvp, lm, ss, dd.
Not worth going any race in particular. The difference between bis and wis is like 400dps at absolute most. Unless youre a hardcore progression guild, it doesnt matter
valid atlas
so now that the shitstorm of SS drama has gone, how does SS stand compared to the other traits for both raids and m+?
hollow pine
Its still pretty good for m+
main blaze
I'd say they are still preferable for raid as well just because of fight designs
valid atlas
honestly anything besides SB I'm fine with playing
hollow stone
Still one of the top traits for raid but not the top trait straight up
Very good in m+ still but not god tier
misty light
Fuck SB
hollow stone
If you like sb, go play fdk, emirite??
glass cairn
how the fuck do people play with sb?
valid atlas
SB is alright with sub though, because of all the multipliers
glass cairn
feels way worst than ss
agile quail
What's with the sb hate? Also I should be throwing my knife at 29 right?
hollow stone
I mean, getting 150k+ crits does feel good but 🤢
valid atlas
SB with assa is a press and forget, its dumb and forgettable.
agile quail
Aren't traits for most classes pretty .eh
carmine sierra
What's Laser matrix +10 and laser matrix +5 whats the difference?
wintry canyon
how the fck are you guys getting 14-15k simdps, I'm 360 I only get 12k
valid atlas
Double Dose and Twist the Knife are atleast attractive on ST and pvp
agile quail
We were lucky when ss was good because it positively impacted gameplay
arctic quartz
does it make a difference what enchant goes on MH and OH?
valid atlas
no
arctic quartz
alright cool, thanks
glass cairn
@wintry canyon same
tiny vapor
SS is still quite good in M+
wintry parcel
@arctic quartz I don't believe so, so long as the enchants are your top 2 secondaries
valid atlas
just dont go 2x the same enchant
hollow stone
@carmine sierra check pins or read what it says on bloodm or raidbots. Theres huge banners explaining it..
daring imp
shrine of the storm
valid atlas
@wintry canyon optimize your gear, get better traits /trinkets/neck/weapons. I'm 350 and sim 12k
daring imp
fuck this dungeon
hollow stone
With tb, your 2nd set of ss emp garrs will not line up w your first vendetta
But you will wait and line them up for your 2nd vendetta
valid atlas
tfw u want to farm Shrine but its god awfull this week
hollow stone
Fuck all the dungeons this week. Couldnt even clear a +9 urot yesterday.. the amount if trash before the 2nd boss was fucking ridiculous
valid atlas
pull big or go home
hollow stone
Yea. You wait for 2nd vend and line it up w vanish and emp garrs. If you get a 3rd vend, your vanish would already be lined up
Yea. Gl w pulling that trash big
valid atlas
we did on a +8
torn coyote
!wa
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hollow stone
Took like 10min of the 30min timer just to clear that room
wintry parcel
@hollow stone Sorry, so just to clarify. For SS, we're holding Vanish/Emp Garrote's for Vendetta's, correct?
valid atlas
only the diseased lashers are dangerous, those you interrupt. The others u group up and cc
tribal lark
what our strata for 15+ adds? fok+CT every 5 cp or try to rapture all that shit?
hollow stone
Sort of lol, so first vanish (if running ss and tb) will be out of your first vend window
You still want to use it
2nd vend you hold until vanish is back up to line them up
valid atlas
gl rupturing 15+ adds lmao. If they live long enough, rupture 2 of them. Then spam FoK and CT
hollow stone
With exsang its a bit diff, but same idea
wintry parcel
Alright, that's what I've been doing. Appreciate it
hollow stone
15+ pulls??? Just fok ct fok ct fok ct
valid atlas
well I just assumed he meant big pulls. I cant recall when the mob count has gone over 15+ though
hollow stone
Yeah lol
tribal lark
Zekvoz adds
hollow stone
And the lashers are super deadly when you run w a druid healer
So are the maggots firing their lasers every which direction
And the bats that interrupt casting and 2 shot people on fort weeks
I recommend avoiding urot this week :p
valid atlas
cc the maggots, snare the bats is what we did
hollow stone
Yea. We did too in the end but man it was rough
hard quarry
hey guyz!!!! i have a stupid question about the class. i've been playing it for almost a year now and i pretty like it! but cant find what spec to play, sub or assas. i cant see outlaw , dont know, i cant see him as rogue!!! 😛
agile quail
The affixes this week are miserable
valid atlas
@hard quarry sounds like a personal preference which we couldnt give an anwser too. Play what you like or decide what you dont like. I'd advise to play the class, not the spec
hollow stone
Yeah dude. We did 2 9s, urot and td. Didnt make timer on either but were making 10s last week w less gear and a diff healer..??
open elbow
Hey guys, I know it been talked all day, but what is the best combo traits for Uldir ? Archive + SS +SB ?
open elbow
For pure DPS ?
hollow stone
Ye
open elbow
And at least one SS ?
hollow stone
Nope. Ilvl
open elbow
Yeah but
valid atlas
is it even possible to get triple archive 
open elbow
Between same ilvl
hollow stone
Idk lol
Between same ilvl, sim it
Based on bloodm, 1x archive, and then dd or sb. If all are equal ilvl
valid atlas
anything with adds I'd go atleast 1 SS
open elbow
Ok, thanks for you help
valid atlas
DD preforms better than SS on ST with TB
hollow stone
Like, my 385 helm using tradewinds is better than my 340 using a much better trait
valid atlas
so in otherwords, sim it. Both talents and traits
hollow stone
As a real example
rancid bobcat
Does anyone have a weakaura for targets in range of fan of knives like this? https://wago.io/NyFFoF1mQ
hollow stone
If anywhere does, its probably wago
open elbow
SB = Sharpened or Scent ? x)