assassination

[jovial aurora]

I’m hearing different things rn

[keen spruce]

https://bloodmallet.com/index.html#rogue_assassination?data_view=azerite_traits&type=itemlevel&tier=3

for just a single trait

double dose

Sharpened blades good for stacking

and dagger in the back good too

[jovial aurora]

That’s what I’m trying to understand cause I see that double dose is good but I hear al this talk of sb

[pliant apex]

is assasination viable , compared to outlaw?

[inner pulsar]

I honestly think it matters less than people think

[pliant apex]

or way too below? for pve?

[jovial aurora]

I guess I’ll get gear with both

[keen spruce]

Sharpened blades does very well with trait stacking

double dose is only better if you're comparing 1x trait for each

[jovial aurora]

Alright

[pliant apex]

did assasination get a buff/ is it comparale to outlaw now

[keen spruce]

just sim your gear

Assa did not get a buff

[deft smelt]

Any good assass pvp player here?

[keen spruce]

but was already better than outlaw

and is not probably pretty close to the same as outlaw

now*

now probably pretty close

[pliant apex]

ppl say assasi is lowest of all specs? not true

[keen spruce]

no one was saying that

[pliant apex]

oh so i can play assa and be competetive in pve?

[keen spruce]

This was day 1 of uldir

[stuck shuttle]

lol

[keen spruce]

[inner pulsar]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3Bmm8aHejXuVPvXULckyrv

[flat portal]

yes day 1 still counts lmfao

[keen spruce]

yes you can do fine as assa

[flat portal]

definatly

[iron prism]

@pliant apex it depends on the scenario

[keen spruce]

i didn't want to dig around for more recent ones

[stuck shuttle]

yes sin is the worst of the 3

[inner pulsar]

That is 4 different sets, with different combos of traits, compared against my shitty traits

[pliant apex]

can it work in uldir ? luni

[stuck shuttle]

hopefully thats what people will believe

[flat portal]

it will be the worst one when theyre done nerfing it

cant be a rogue an do well anymore lmfao

[keen spruce]

Art Assa is probably still the best of the 3 specs

[iron prism]

@spiral delta it currently is #1 on uldir heroic/normal for the last 24 hours soi'd say yes...

[keen spruce]

some people are simming higher with sub

[iron prism]

yeah sub sims are higher now, but at least for the last day assassin has remained top

may be due to dots/movement

[inner pulsar]

Sub is harder to execute at closer to sim levels as well

[keen spruce]

yup

[stuck shuttle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hQQBh83xcYaKisDiaWC1Md

[iron prism]

sub may be higher on a training dummy

[ripe geyser]

oh lets go boys x2 Archive from HC poggers

[stuck shuttle]

that can't be bottom tier @pliant apex

[iron prism]

simulationcraft currently has assassination lower than sub/outlaw, but i think that's because the script is still based on SS x3 and exsanguinate

and even then it's still above most dps specs

i'm more apt to trust real world logs

[sterile ocean]

Is Sb the way to go now?

[iron prism]

but i'm not sure if the "past day" logs on warcraft logs is current or not

[latent wind]

if you run SB, how does that change the rotation?

[sterile ocean]

^

[iron prism]

anthaz: if you're not in uldir and have all items the same ilvl, then 3x SB would be top

but

realistically high ilvl SB azerite is going to be hard to find and you'll likely have higher level with other traits

[sterile ocean]

i am Raiding in Uldir

[iron prism]

also, reorgination array has good value

and SB is a lot weaker if you dont stack it

1x SB is bad

2x SB is good

3x SB is top

[inner pulsar]

There are no SB traits in Uldir

[iron prism]

in uldir you're more realistically going to need one trait with reorigination array too so then the most you can have is SB x2

[proven ice]

Yeah. In raid you either run 2sb or 0sb

[inner pulsar]

Soooo, you better be hoping and praying on that mythic cache

[violet sail]

Do people prefer Crimson tempest or Poison Bomb for M+?

[iron prism]

at that point you are probably better off with archive of the titans and 2x double dose or dagger in the back

[sterile ocean]

So i would wanna go for Lazer matrex and Achive of the titans?

[stuck shuttle]

thats not a bad combo

but not optimal either

[iron prism]

if you're doing uldir you always want 1 laser or archive

[stuck shuttle]

as the buff doesnst stack

[iron prism]

archive and laser stack, but reorigination array doesnt stack

[sterile ocean]

yeah i was gonna say im doing both M+ and Uldir

[stuck shuttle]

thats what i meant

[iron prism]

you only get the "i'm in uldir" bonus once

[stuck shuttle]

"buff"

[iron prism]

yeah i know you know just making sure he knows 😃

[sterile ocean]

Ok i gotcha

[iron prism]

https://bloodmallet.com/index.html#rogue_assassination?data_view=azerite_traits&type=trait_stacking&tier=3

[sterile ocean]

i was confused cause you guys were talking about Sb and its not on any the azerite pieces in Uldir

[inner pulsar]

2 x DD and 2 x SB are nearly identical on Patchwork, and 2 x DitB is not far beind

[iron prism]

tl;dr for raiding you want 1x archive, 2x DD

[sterile ocean]

ah k

[iron prism]

for dungeons top dps would be 3x SB

not including aoe damage

[sterile ocean]

gotcha

[sharp schooner]

3xSS is prolly ideal for m+ still

[iron prism]

aoe you want blightborne infusions (have fun finding gear with that)

[sterile ocean]

Atm i got 1 Acheve of the titans and 2 SS

on my gear

best i got atm

[violet lintel]

i feel like im doing better despite the nerf, but probably cus got hang of a rotation lol

[iron prism]

omnu: that might be interesting to sim, it's definitely not true on longer fights anymore but maybe on low/mid mythic

[sharp schooner]

in m+ when you can restealth between pulls it's 100% true

[iron prism]

yeah, depends on fight length

like i said its worth simming

[inner pulsar]

@sterile ocean On my gear, 358 item level, that combo trails 3xSB by 440 dps outside of Uldir on Patchwork

[violet lintel]

unless you get a tank that constantly pulls everything... ive had that a few times

[cedar kelp]

i think you sacrifice ST by going 3x SS in M+

its a good trade off

[sharp schooner]

it's a small ST loss

[iron prism]

@violet lintel yeah i had a tank doing that... kept getting down to one mob then would run over and aggro another single mob

i was like omg stop

[violet lintel]

then they complain your dps sucks do better

[inner pulsar]

@sharp schooner small vs what?

[sterile ocean]

@inner pulsar gotcha i was just saying what mine has 😛 im 353

[cedar kelp]

so, we should always line up vanish with vendetta right

for ST

[drifting pulsar]

how important is shrouded suff for good parses ? i don't really feel like i did anything wrong. But my parses makes me want to punch a kitten

[inner pulsar]

3xSB is 350 dps better than 3xSS on ST in my current gear as a for instance

[violet lintel]

i say people just keep using 3 SS , show blizz we won't be stopped, fight the system.
lol.

[terse pawn]

lmao are people really using sharpened blade

[sharp schooner]

keep in mind that most of the damage you do in an m+ is trash packs

[sterile ocean]

@violet lintel i agree lol

[sharp schooner]

350 dps on the bosses really doesn't matter

[scenic saddle]

Guys any god ass rogues who sstreams mythic +?

[proven ice]

Nobody uses sharpened blades

[violet lintel]

now that mythic uldirs been cleared i want someone to tell method to try it traitless. 😄
lol

[iron prism]

@violet lintel I'm a rogue, lets be real, i'm usually doing more dps than the other two dps combined

[molten jungle]

yeah the top eu guy streams @scenic saddle

[sharp schooner]

SS is also more frontloaded so if your overall dps is high you'll actually do more damage

[proven ice]

There’s no chest piece for it.

[sterile ocean]

@terse pawn i agree

[inner pulsar]

I wasn't stating an opinion on it, just giving some concrete numbers

[iron prism]

it depends on how you sim it

if you sim a 5 minute fight SS is gonna be garbage

[keen spruce]

If it's a 2 minute burn kill, SS probably wins

[iron prism]

if you sim a 1 minute fight, 3x SS might be good

[keen spruce]

on a real boss fight it loses

but if your'e trying to 100 parse normal fetid or something

[inner pulsar]

I gave those parameters in my statement

[sharp schooner]

yikes

[keen spruce]

I'm agreeing with you Mr. Calculator

[inner pulsar]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3Bmm8aHejXuVPvXULckyrv

5 minute patchwork, 1 target, outside of Uldir

[drifting pulsar]

am i screwed without SS for good parses ?

[iron prism]

no

[wild mural]

No

[drifting pulsar]

Great. I just suck then

[wild mural]

Prolly

[iron prism]

that's possible

[inner pulsar]

Obviously your mileage may vary

[iron prism]

have to sim is_user: glowpipe

[uncut dragon]

So, vanquished tendril of ghuun sims like crap. Anyone using it? Why would bliz make the end-boss trinket garbage.

[iron prism]

@uncut dragon because all raid trinkets are garbage because blizzard never tests trinkets

[wild mural]

^

[drifting pulsar]

I have simemd myself. And is not far of the number i sim for. But all the dudes i compare with have ss and sim for about the same and is miles ahead

[iron prism]

they've only been doing it every raid tier since like.... what. cata? wotlk? besides antorus

[final stone]

with teeming this weeek i think its time for some TS

[wild mural]

With 0 SS what opener are you guys using ST

[inner pulsar]

First opener listed in the guide

[keen spruce]

Garrote Mute rupture

[iron prism]

never had less than 1 ss

[wild mural]

But don’t you only get 1 cp from the garrote with 0 SS

Or is that baseline

[iron prism]

been going garrote > rupture > garrote

[keen spruce]

yeah only one

GRG probablly good too but you're kind of wasting MA

[final stone]

or would PB still be good since adds have tons of health this week

[keen spruce]

No Shrouded Suffocation powers for Toxic Blade

Garrote
Mutilate till 4 combo points
Rupture
Vendetta
Mutilate
Toxic Blade
Mutilate if less than 4 combo points
Envenom
Mutilate till 4+ combo points
Envenom
Vanish when Garrote hits 5.4 seconds or less when talented into subterfuge

[iron prism]

yeah guide, if its still accurate, says ss x1 = grg

[keen spruce]

doesn't say if we're vanish Garroting, vanish Rupturing, or vanish Envenoming

[wild mural]

Well that’s different from what everyone just said xd

[keen spruce]

[inner pulsar]

If you are not using even 1xSS, you should sim to see if MA is better than Subt

[iron prism]

@wild mural yeah, GMMR

[keen spruce]

That's exactly what I said

[iron prism]

nah you said GMR

no?

[keen spruce]

if you have MA you never have to GMMR

cuz your Mute will crit

[iron prism]

ah, i don't run MA

i getcha now

[drifting pulsar]

@inner pulsar cheers. Gonna try that

[teal glen]

70%

[keen spruce]

if you dont' have SS you don't run subterfuge

[teal glen]

inb4 doesn't crit

[keen spruce]

sometimes doesn't crit

we don't talk about that

[iron prism]

i guess i've just never considered running 0 SS, lol

[strange python]

Is Tiwy from Quel'Thalas here?

[inner pulsar]

who dis?

[iron prism]

yeah doing some sims, dropping fight length from 4 min to 1 pushes SS x3 effectiveness up about 10% overall dps for those curious

against mediocre-to-good baseline traits

[wild mural]

Yeah I mean I got archive, lm and ss right now but I have took at dropping ss for dd

Gonna feel a tad off playing without ss it was a nice trait while it lasted

[pine panther]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eBe8VnxsrTcjo2YbnPgi1b

[inner pulsar]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sr8K9LRFNBCUxwD1jXJuCT

[keen spruce]

^ that looks about right

compared to fetid rankings right now

[iron prism]

not even clicking, that is a ss x3 build on 1 min lol

[inner pulsar]

It is, but it also shows the other builds

[pine panther]

so i think my traits are pretty balanced .. 1 ss 1 DD and 1 archive

[keen spruce]

so hang onto SS gear if you wanna post Orange numbers fetid

[placid elbow]

So Laser Matrix x1 is better than Archive if you're going 2x SS

[lone junco]

@fast nacelle is this log from today post nerf or eu time pre nerf?

[fast nacelle]

post nerf yes

[inner pulsar]

@placid elbow That was for a 1 minute fight, on 5 min they are almost identical

[iron prism]

@placid elbow archive should be better usually

[pallid bluff]

how are people feeling about SS in M+ post nerf

[iron prism]

still should be top for low duration fights

[lone junco]

@fast nacelle the gc/exang sandwich for the first 4 rounds was pretty good. did you split them at 430 cause you were worried about fight lenght?

[iron prism]

maybe blightborne infusion but it's hard to even find gear with it

[fast nacelle]

yes

[lone junco]

my bis rn is 1ss 1archive 1ditb. not sure im going to actually run that though. its like 0.1% over my 2ss

[pallid bluff]

yeah i stopped using three SS and switched to a FoB Chest 30 ilvls higher and felt like i was doing less. doesn't seem like the nerf hit THAT hard

[placid elbow]

My gimp ass Simulation

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rkRkTwH8ic1esarD9yWemL

[iron prism]

gimp ass, decent alt name

[somber moon]

What's gimp about it

[inner pulsar]

And for the record, at least in my gear, LM and Archive are almost identical, assuming they are paired with 2xSS for instance

[drifting pulsar]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xzgh3GAwKK5QxqYie9Ty1o

[soft quartz]

Crimson Tempest, do you keep doing it for the initial damage or wait for the bleed?

[placid elbow]

i feel like i should be simming higher

[inner pulsar]

Wait until 2 seconds or so

[placid elbow]

poor stat itemization on my part lol

[nova dirge]

guys :C

[drifting pulsar]

guess my weapon aint helping me too much

[nova dirge]

after removing SS trait opener is totally different it feels weak

I mean I'm not sure if what im doing is correct

[somber moon]

It's definitely a weaker opener without it

[iron prism]

sub probably stronger opener if thats your thing on ST

[nova dirge]

Garr, Rap, Mutilate full points , Rap, Vanish , Garrote , Exsan then just keep bleeds up 4+ points envenom

[strange python]

@nova dirge surely if thats a no ss opener you would still use 2 garrotes for pandemic

Before exang

[true thistle]

how do i sim difrent traits?

[strange python]

Else just use toxic blade

Ah i miss rewd

[inner pulsar]

Yeah, I dont know what combination of traits and talents that would be right for

[strange python]

Read* sorry mate

[drifting pulsar]

@true thistle top gear and chose the traits

[north terrace]

@strange python you would pandemic garrote with the first one after vanish...

[nova dirge]

@strange python TB sims more for me but I just cant understand it

seems VERY weaker than exsan been sitting on dummy for literally hours

[iron prism]

my sims are garbage too, must be all this sweeeeeeet mastery/vers gear

[fringe socket]

darkmoon deck fathoms not good anymore?

[inner pulsar]

Garrote
Mutilate
Rupture
Vendetta
Mutilate until maximum combo points
Rupture
Vanish
Garrote
Exsanguinate
Mutilate till 4+ combo points
Envenom

[iron prism]

lol why do people keep asking that

fathoms is way better than anything its ilvl or anything most ilvls

[uncut dragon]

and you get to see falling anchors

[spice surge]

This the primary reason i wear my fathoms ^

[iron prism]

yeah this is sad: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2UmdWdzNktmLNCVRmZFS3

[sick ledge]

Should i use archive of the titans or Shrouded Suffocations after the nerf ?

[uncut dragon]

I wish the cannonball trinket just dropped the cannon on the target instead of weakly firing at them

[iron prism]

horray nerfing all 3 of my traits and vers/mast gear 😃

[true thistle]

@drifting pulsar what if i have no premium?

how can i sim my gear?

[inner pulsar]

@iron prism That is about where mine is

[iron prism]

annoyed they nerfed the traits but didnt fix the reverse snapshotting bug with garrote

[inner pulsar]

AYe

[iron prism]

kinda bullshit right there

[drifting pulsar]

@true thistle raidbots or askmrrobot ?

[solid parrot]

well the good news if you dont run any SS now you dont have to worry about bug

[iron prism]

lol

[solid parrot]

fixed by proxy

[iron prism]

if you replace subterfuge yes

but that still sims top for me

[glacial steppe]

only simming 13,4k with 361

seems kinda low

[royal lantern]

there is really almost no difference bettwen laser matrix and archive now? thats good i gues

[iron prism]

that does seem low, my traits and secondaries are a mess and i'm getting 13.5 w/ 360

maybe you have low weapons still?

[glacial steppe]

kinda i guess

365/355

[drifting pulsar]

what haste levels should you be at at around 360 ? im only at 16.74%. Seems a bit low

[glacial steppe]

2x DD, 1x SS

[nova dirge]

anyone pro with TB can talk to me please ?:C

[rich olive]

@glacial steppe simming 12.9k with 360 eq - 365/355

[glacial steppe]

my sub sims like 13,9

but cba to play sub

[solid parrot]

14.1 @ 362, i feel like that's not bad, only seeing people at 15k+ with really clean itemization and luck on azerite

[rich olive]

Although im still running 3x SS since no other traits

[inland path]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wrqWcxZZGt3EHvd3GT8J7Q

[solid parrot]

the guy who posted 16k had gotten azerite from both chests ;/

[iron prism]

anyone know how to force a spec change on raidbots?

short of reimporting

[solid parrot]

theres numbers you can swap in the first couple lines

[neon chasm]

any word on best azerite traits now?

[solid parrot]

rogue="Juupkins"
level=120
race=human
region=us
server=senjin
role=attack
professions=leatherworking=150/mining=150
talents=2212221
spec=assassination

talents line just swap em

[lone plaza]

13.2k @ 357 😦

[solid parrot]

;/

[glacial steppe]

tfw, wow settings on 1

[iron prism]

ah, yeah i still have to load simc output then. cant do that from work haha

[glacial steppe]

still 15 fps at zul

yikers

[solid parrot]

dangus that's rough

[glacial steppe]

if we pop ht its one big lag

[iron prism]

your fps seems more rough than dps

you playing on a ti-82?

[glacial steppe]

i wish i could disable ally spells

nah my gpu is old

[true thistle]

@drifting pulsar raidbots

i do not wanna pay for something i will use just once in a while

tbh

[iron prism]

lol damn bitcoin making even old cpus expensive

so hard to upgrade

[glacial steppe]

i have a gtx 960 with only 2 gigs cus i bought it on release back in 2k15

where they only had 2gigs

[iron prism]

that should be plenty

you sure it's not your cpu?

[hazy forge]

anyone know what an opener for someone using master assasin would look like?

[iron prism]

wow is pretty cpu heavy

[hazy forge]

and toxic blade

[glacial steppe]

i asked a friend and he said even tho my cpu is kinda old the gpu should be the bottleneck

[severe raven]

what build is everyone running for m+ now?

[glacial steppe]

still the same i think

[pallid bluff]

ive been doing the same as before

[arctic isle]

i dont think anyone gets 60 dps when zul does his shit

dont upgrade ur computer for that lol

[pallid bluff]

as many SS as you can get EP, Sub, Exsang, and then your choice of PB or CT

[modest oyster]

if you have a dagger higher ilvl than the other, which is the best slot to put it in?

[glacial steppe]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/u3Tfi8H1eFis4BRCoVvvp1

[ancient tangle]

can / does overwhelming power stack ?

[glacial steppe]

q_q

[hazy forge]

anyone know opener for master assassin?

[iron prism]

i'm running sin, poison bomb etc, ss x1 lm x2. traits arent ideal but i dont have anything better due to ilvl

@ancient tangle yes

https://bloodmallet.com/index.html#rogue_assassination?data_view=azerite_traits&type=trait_stacking&tier=2

[ancient tangle]

ok so having 3 is ok ?

[iron prism]

not ok. preferred

[severe raven]

how much of a dmg increase is CT on trash?

[arctic isle]

if u cant dodge mechanics dont take it

[pallid bluff]

depends on how long it lives and how lucky you are with PB procs

[iron prism]

you can go heed my call instead, get some sweet dps and piss off your group breaking all the CCs

[arctic isle]

and heed my call has a cool animation

[glacial steppe]

i have like double OP and tripple "prydaz" trait which is like a 26k shield every 30s

[inner pulsar]

Garrote
Mutilate
Rupture
Vendetta
Mutilate until maximum combo points
Rupture
Vanish
Garrote
Exsanguinate
Mutilate till 4+ combo points
Envenom

[glacial steppe]

sounds cool

[inner pulsar]

that is the MA opener with Exsang

[open elbow]

Hey, is Assa still the best spec for m+ ? Can't figure how much the nerf impacting us.

[inner pulsar]

Grabbed from the guide, right above where you are reading this

[pallid bluff]

i find its typically a 500ish overall increase over PB, but thats when trash lives for like a minute @severe raven

[delicate crater]

if I sim (raidbots) with Laser Matrix, is Raidbots assuming im in Uldir and applying the buff?

[rich olive]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6hseJzdgmWdshdkEhCeFvs

[late niche]

our last talent row really is lame`

[glacial steppe]

that ring

triggered

@rich olive +27 haste

[rich olive]

I know xD didn't have +37 on me

was gonna buy later

[glacial steppe]

[placid elbow]

wtf

Doom;s Wake sims high?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ihji595zxSY4kubVXn11p4

[narrow geyser]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/i4WEYH4d1bBeCiYeCpyWz5

[chilly marsh]

sharpened blades is the new bis ? what a borring trait...

[pallid bluff]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cB7GchvFiQQ53CVtPvYFMH TFW 369 and cant even break 15k FeelsBadMan

[drifting pulsar]

80 overall parse. 9 ilvl. Think im rerolling tank

or a life fishing

[gusty plinth]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kbosLkPn78msyTFRFieJyU

meh

[misty light]

is everyone else simming higher TB than Exs post-nerf too?

[undone cairn]

Yes

[frank furnace]

Boys, herodamage is showing SS to be pretty garbage in Herodungeon (M+) setting. Am i right in thinking that's trying to replicate mythic +? Would've thought SSx3 is still BIS for M+

[placid elbow]

why would Dooms Wake Sim Higher than Galecaller on my sim lol

[late niche]

female blood elves 🙅

[gusty plinth]

@late niche bis

[pallid bluff]

^

[late niche]

best in slutmogs?

[gusty plinth]

aye

[winter gale]

Uldir items are now simming better since array is included ?

[lone junco]

@placid elbow not using ss, or not using exang.

[winter gale]

or 2 ss is still better ?

[placid elbow]

@dusty fox but i have 1x SS and TB

[safe root]

anyone running 2x archive

[pallid bluff]

slutmogs in 2018 SMH, but bloodelves just look good in tmog in general

[misty light]

interesting that sin is still the highest performing spec in heroic according to WC logs

[placid elbow]

not a fan of Exsang, i feel like it's inconvenient

[stable pine]

On bloodmallet they have Achive of the Titans +10 and +5 what’s the different?

[safe root]

the stacks

[winter gale]

For mythic plus is it better to go 2 ss traits or ?

[safe root]

array stacks

[drifting pulsar]

On mythrax. Do you guys keep garrote and rupture rolling on the boss while dealing with adds ?

[median dagger]

99% dmg reduction

[lone junco]

looks like we have a noob imposter

[frank furnace]

Boys, herodamage is showing SS to be pretty garbage in Herodungeon (M+) setting. Am i right in thinking that's trying to replicate mythic +? Would've thought SSx3 is still BIS for M+, instead it's showing 3xSB which only really makes sense on ST

[stable pine]

So really you don’t want 2 of them then? You’re better off with just one laser and achieve @safe root

[gusty plinth]

ha

[misty light]

yes @stable pine

[lone junco]

@placid elbow gc trinket and exang work well together Might be an ilvl difference with your other trinket as well. cause when I smmed a 375 it was a 3% loss to my 365 gc

[gentle belfry]

The stacking array buff is not active in M+ though?

[safe root]

nope

the buff from aott stays, but the reorigination array stacks only apepar in uldir

[gentle belfry]

So assuming you have the choice, what is the ideal combo for M+

[stable pine]

@misty light thanks so ideally your perfect traits should be, 1 laser, 1 titan and 1 SB?

[lone junco]

3 ss'

[late niche]

It's like the old pvp gear but instead of being only good in pvp it's only good in one raid

[placid elbow]

@lone junco https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kbosLkPn78msyTFRFieJyU

this deeps i want but

DON"T HAZ

[misty light]

@stable pine sorry, I misunderstood your question. Array is a binary. You have it or you don't. You want 1 of laser/titan, and 2 other traits.

[chilly marsh]

sharpened blades is bis for sub and assassin... its just me or this look really off....

[misty light]

Assuming equal ilvl etc

[placid elbow]

@lone junco my sim https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ihji595zxSY4kubVXn11p4

[mossy flicker]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nYVnwhi1GsXjffMMAJ6jDo

Am I simming that low because of my daggers ?

[formal burrow]

@frank furnace herodamage m+ sims has 0 restealths, its not accurate

[pallid bluff]

@frank furnace just because it trys to replicate M+ doesn't mean it succeeds. Sims in general arent infallible, ecspecially something that trys to replicate something as complex as M+. Three SS still does crazy damage in M+

[undone cairn]

FeelsBadMan

I need to run 2x DD and 1x aott in raids :(

At least I don't need exsang anymore

Throw that shit out

[gusty plinth]

@placid elbow dat dagger-_-

[misty light]

yeah man I love playing brainless TB it's way more fun hehehehe

[undone cairn]

Exactly

[fiery jasper]

[undone cairn]

me ook ook

I would refresh my bleeds during exsang sometimes like a dumbass

[elfin tiger]

What traits do I run in M+? Triple SS? Double Archive with something else?

[undone cairn]

just sim hectic cleave and go mix and match everything

With the right talents ofc

[elfin tiger]

HecticAddCleave and # of boss?

[undone cairn]

1

[gusty plinth]

3x ss

[azure crescent]

You can stealth between packs so that wouldn't work very well to sim SS

[misty light]

@elfin tiger not ONE, but TWO archives and you're not in Uldir?

[elfin tiger]

@misty light what do you mean?

[lone junco]

@placid elbow looks like the 0.2% is due to using TB over exang. I suppose that exang would prefer gc. and v/v cause the mastery and agi is good for tb during the open. but w/e. just follow the apl. and fire away

[digital plinth]

am confuse ... raidbots not updated or somethings ? it keep saying go with 2 SS not 2 Archive

[undone cairn]

Let me get this straight in the sims when looking at uldir traits is it considering the player to be in uldir?

[lone junco]

@elfin tiger I use 6T40sec patchwerk, no buffs.

[pallid bluff]

its going to be hard to sim M+ traits correctly, you just have to do some feelycraft and see what you like better and works best for you

[misty light]

@undone cairn depends on your settings, but I believe the default is now "yes"

[placid elbow]

@lone junco all good. thanks man

[undone cairn]

Okay yeah that's what I though since

It sims way to high

[gentle belfry]

Is that M+ profile out for raidbots yet?

[placid elbow]

@gusty plinth you talkin about my Offhand??? lol. Daggers refuse to drop for me 😦

[gusty plinth]

yeah off hand:D

[elfin tiger]

@lone junco can you elaborate? what's 6T40?

[undone cairn]

@placid elbow I feel you

It means 6 targets

40 second span

[elfin tiger]

oh okay

[digital plinth]

so going with 2 Archive or 2 SS now ?

[undone cairn]

I've ran at least 20 Tol dagors

And haven't seen the dagger

[wheat zealot]

Run more

[molten jungle]

wtb 4 house

[undone cairn]

You got it boss

[bold steppe]

Now that Shrouded Suffocation is out, what are people doing for M+? Switching specs?

[undone cairn]

No

It's not out

[thorn fjord]

Is SS really out though?

[digital plinth]

for raid ?

[thorn fjord]

yeah

[gusty plinth]

3x ss is fine still on m+

[wheat zealot]

But is it really

[digital plinth]

am asking for raid

[pallid bluff]

yes

[pallid bluff]

it is stil fine

[lone junco]

the prob with these M+ sims is that it uses vendetta vanish each pack.

[thorn fjord]

im running 2 ss and 1 titan

[wheat zealot]

Im just memeing, this shit has been asked way to much today

[lone junco]

but as the duration is long. it becomes a little more correct.

and leads to high crit weight due to fok cps.

[pallid bluff]

people just go do a couple m+ TBH

still do 12k+ overall

[tropic furnace]

I'm playing with only 1 SS

and doing well

[lone junco]

i do 20k trash packs instead of 25k

[wheat zealot]

CT is a must now thoygh imo

[lone junco]

still fine. not a god.

CT is AMAZING in Teeming Fort.

[pallid bluff]

^

[wheat zealot]

Used to still be able to do really good aoe without ct, but its essential now im9

[short token]

is exsang still the way to go or is TB

[wheat zealot]

Imo*

[pallid bluff]

on another note Teeming Fort Infested is god awful

fuck this week

[wheat zealot]

No kidding

[elfin tiger]

eh I think SS is pretty bad. I sim only 100 lower on Hectic Cleave with 3x SB compared to 3x SS

[lone junco]

hectic add cleave is a boss with waves

[pallid bluff]

sims dont account for restealthb after everypack

[wheat zealot]

Ss is by far undervalued in sims

[lone junco]

6T or 3T patchwerk allows a ggr open

[thick jacinth]

SB is dog shit for aoe that's why

[lone junco]

any cleave sim that recommends SB is complete dog shit.

[elfin tiger]

it only sims 100 lower than SS

[lone junco]

throw it out the window

[mystic cave]

What does CR stand for?

[proven ice]

SB is only good for raids, and only if you have two, and only if you don't need to cleave

SB is really bad

[lone junco]

YOU CAN ONLY THROW ONE KNIFE

[mystic cave]

CT*

[thick jacinth]

you don't even want SB in raids

[lone junco]

in a pack of 10 mobs

[elfin tiger]

i have 3 SB

[thick jacinth]

just fuck SB off

[lone junco]

trash for M+

[thick jacinth]

entirely

[pallid bluff]

Crimson Tempest @mystic cave

[proven ice]

Yeah, SB is a meme'

[thick jacinth]

you want archives and lasers for raid

[elfin tiger]

I have literally everything im just comparing

[mystic cave]

Ohhh 😮

[lone junco]

@elfin tiger do a 3T20s. 6T40 sec. 1T 20sec. 1T2mins

ss is still king.

[thick jacinth]

dungeons you probably want x3 rupture trait

these days

[lone junco]

not yet imo

[pallid bluff]

nope not even close

[lone junco]

need massive crit to get fok cps.

[elfin tiger]

@lone junco you mean do each one separately?

[pallid bluff]

shit still dies to fast for it to be worth

[lone junco]

it will be good one day tho. imo

[pallid bluff]

maybe when we get to 20s and shit

[lone junco]

@elfin tiger yeah. when you do the top gear, you can click use as template, and rerun with a different set.

[elfin tiger]

I use simcraft

[lone junco]

use raidbots.

and anything telling you to use SB in M+ dungeon, clearly doesnt allow restealths. and doesnt open ggg ct.

[thick jacinth]

why is this SB even a question

[lone junco]

chain pulls are fine for outlaw sims. because their stealth is irrelevant.

[thick jacinth]

in what scenario

is that viable

[elfin tiger]

pure ST

idk

[thick jacinth]

when

is that

viable

[proven ice]

People look at herodamage and think its good

[thick jacinth]

you want pure single target literally only in raids

and in raids

[elfin tiger]

not even in raids

[thick jacinth]

you want archives or lasers

[elfin tiger]

every single boss has adds

[thick jacinth]

SB is actual garbage

[pallid bluff]

god i hate sims with a passion. makes people not use their brains

[lone junco]

Herodamage has a M+ variant. SS

[thick jacinth]

and people need to realise that.

[elfin tiger]

Do i just use archives in M+ then?

[lone junco]

LOLOL

[thick jacinth]

no

archives only works in raid

[lone junco]

that ss is so far down the chart.

[proven ice]

SS and SOB are M+ kings

[lone junco]

throw that chart in the trash.

[thick jacinth]

but you'd obviously want a trait that benefits your multi target in m+

[teal glen]

i was kind of shocked looking at hero damage m+

[lone junco]

tbh, i want 1 ss 2scent

or other way around.

[thick jacinth]

^ feels good to me aswell

[teal glen]

why is SS even that low

[proven ice]

^ that looks ideal

[pallid bluff]

1 scent seems better tbh

[thick jacinth]

scent feels like the better option

[lone junco]

yeah. it is a 6 min boss wave estimate. but must not use stealth at all.

[wheat zealot]

Thats what ive been using now that my 370 scent sims higher than 340 ss

[thick jacinth]

1 ss for the cb alone

[pallid bluff]

at least until stuff doesnt die so quick

[thick jacinth]

2 scent bc it's ideal

cp*

[wheat zealot]

X2 ss x1 sob, feels pretty nice

[elfin tiger]

2 scent 1 what?

[lone junco]

g r tab g r fok r fok r fok r

[thick jacinth]

2 scent 1 SS

[pallid bluff]

you use CT enough that without insane crit scent doesnt seem like it would come ahead

[lone junco]

need to pull big enough for 3-4cps per fok

no ct with Scent mybad

spend all your cps on ruptures.

[thick jacinth]

not all

just maintain 3 ruptures

[lone junco]

using HB and fok whites are huge

[thick jacinth]

or 2

[pallid bluff]

maybe CT is just so good for a lot of stuff

[lone junco]

in a pack of 8k ruptures you can maintain like 30k

[elfin tiger]

can I run poison bomb instead of CT for M+?

[lone junco]

with scent

[pallid bluff]

ecxpecailly on any fortified week

[lone junco]

@elfin tiger if you want to do horribly

[vague oracle]

anyone able to have a look at why my parse is so low

[short token]

is the rotation any different in raids now? openers? etc?

[thick jacinth]

you should run poison bomb instead of ct on tyrannical week always tbh

[pallid bluff]

maybe two scent 1 SS on tyran and the other way on fortified

[thick jacinth]

vel that's literally backwards

[lone junco]

with current ss numbers prob

[elfin tiger]

Idk when to use CT in combat

[thick jacinth]

you'd want more scent for more targets living longer

[elfin tiger]

i use it as finisher instead of env?

[lone junco]

g g g ct. fok fok rupture fok fok rupture fok fok rupture fok fok ct

[teal glen]

you don't use CT is st

[elfin tiger]

in M+

adds

[pallid bluff]

CT is worth more than an extra scent and poison bomb on fortified

[thick jacinth]

if theres anything more than 4 targets

[pallid bluff]

imo

[thick jacinth]

you use ct as your main finisher

[teal glen]

Spam CT if there's 4 or more

[hollow stone]

Btw. Archive works outside of uldir. Its the reorigination array that does not. You still get the stacking agi in combat

[teal glen]

imo

just mantain the dot if there's 3 or less

[lone junco]

3 GG
CT
Rupture elites.
Fok CT refresh.
transition to Env as mobs drop off.

[thick jacinth]

yes @hollow stone but the trait alone is undervalued

[hollow stone]

For sure. Its still simming best in my gear with 0 array stacks atm

[thick jacinth]

for hectic ad cleave?

[hollow stone]

I havent had a chance to fux w m+ yet to test it for reelz tho

Probably not. Idk how the decay of the stacks work yet

[royal lantern]

its not THAT bad, 280 mainstat is ok

[hollow stone]

If it decays slowly it might still be good

[royal lantern]

and you keep it max stacked trought out dungeons most of the time

ye it decays pretty slow

[hollow stone]

If not running any ss and running ma in m+ do you guys think opening fok ct fok is ideal?

[short token]

what about raid bosses guys, has the single target rotation changed since the nerf? i apologize i have not been on in like 48 hours

[royal lantern]

if you still use 1 ss nope

[hollow stone]

If not thi

Tho

[thick jacinth]

opener changes

that's it

[royal lantern]

and ss ist stil viable, just not the best trait for every single situation ingame anymore

[short token]

@royal lantern was using 3...got a 385 helm without ss and a 355 chest w/o ss and the sims tell me to only use 1 piece with ss

[hollow stone]

Agreed. Im just thinking out loud :p

[sand canyon]

Hey sup fellas

[short token]

so if using SS we're still looking at - garr/rup/garr/vend/mut/rup/exsang...

[lone junco]

@hollow stone still going to use Subterfuge. but if you were using scent you could carry in cps.

Rupture Garrote
Garrote fok Rupture

[short token]

vanish doulbe garry?

[pallid bluff]

@short token yup thats what you do still

[lone junco]

@sand canyon that 720 death jump tho

rip hook.

[sand canyon]

Not playing 3ss

Wow why so toxic

[lone junco]

i loved outlaw, but that gggct was too good

[sand canyon]

Dude

That Moment

[lone junco]

@sand canyon added to my meme folder tbh

[sand canyon]

Was actuallly best

Im memelord

[lone junco]

prob right after a 80k snake ball pull.

[sand canyon]

Tomorrow gonna blast with sin cant wait

[lone junco]

its still fine by me.

just a little lower than before

[sand canyon]

Will do Prenerf dmg

[elfin tiger]

@lone junco can you tell me how to do "3T20s. 6T40 sec. 1T 20sec. 1T2mins" at the same time in raidbots? or did you mean do each separately?

[lone junco]

seperate

I look at them based on my teams pull size.

[pallid bluff]

damage barely feels different in M+ after nerf with 3ss traits its actually silly

[lone junco]

we dont pull 20 elites and train for long. most of our content is 3-6 over 20 sec tbh.

[sand canyon]

What do u mean man

[mellow cypress]

struggling with azerite traits right now, shits vofusing

[solid parrot]

lol anyone run underrot yet?

get matrons on both sides

[lone junco]

yeah. underrot matrons were rough.

we skipped a side, but had to reclear them on a wipe.

[pallid bluff]

the area around the second boss is aids

[solid parrot]

yea

[short token]

is there an assassy raid boss guide like the sub one? that shows which spec to go on each fight?

[somber otter]

did a kings 9, that was fun...

[solid parrot]

extra constructs?

[pallid bluff]

did a 12 shrine, the pack before the big elemental had an extra templar and spiritualist and an infested, its actually fucked

[glacial steppe]

eh, you cant spam bonusrolls on a boss anymore?

when did they change that

[versed bobcat]

Why shouldnt u

[pallid bluff]

and they made the minibosses after the first boss see through stealth

[lone junco]

@glacial steppe did you run out of coins?

[glacial steppe]

no

just did arathi world boss on a fresh 120 alt

[versed bobcat]

@pallid bluff afaik they just have eye after you once encountered em

[glacial steppe]

and could only bonusroll once

[gentle belfry]

Do we just build for TB now for pure ST? assuming we have any choice of traits. Or still 2 ss 1 matrix/archive

[past harbor]

do you ever 4 CP Rupt

[proven ice]

very often

[pallid bluff]

i do all the time on M+ trash

[past harbor]

would you want to 4cp rupt

[mellow cypress]

so in m+ ppl still running 340 SS x 3?

[pallid bluff]

better to use a 4 point rupture than to waste CPs

unless you are about to exsang the guy you are rupturing

[past harbor]

would you ever 4cp rupt pandemic on a mob with a 5cp rupt on trash like in M+? and would you do it on a boss?

@pallid bluff oh okay, even on raid bosses and m+ bosses?

[royal lantern]

you use finishers at 4 combo points

[proven ice]

like half of you finisheres happen to be 4 cp

[misty light]

if you are chaining envenoms, do you cast just before EP falls off, or just after Envenom falls off?

[shell viper]

because of the nature of mutilate giving multiple combo points you are gonna 4 point rupture and envenom alot

[royal lantern]

when you are allready at 4 and use another generation you are probably wasting energy and combo points

[past harbor]

so 4cp rupt even if theres a 5cp rupt on the target wearing off?

[shell viper]

yes

[pallid bluff]

on bosses you want to pandemic your rupture with 5 points otherwise its fine

[royal lantern]

even then, you dont use mulitate on 4 combo points

[keen spruce]

it doesn't actually matter

[shell viper]

Although if you have 4 and a garrote available is it a waste of energy to refresh rupture to get 5 combos before rupturing again?

[royal lantern]

rupture ALWAYS does the same dmg, read the skill description

[keen spruce]

Rupture with 4cp does the same dps as rupture with 5cp

[past harbor]

ooh its just duration

[royal lantern]

you only make the timer longer

[shell viper]

yeah I thought it was a duration issue, good Im not crazy

[keen spruce]

never Mute at 4cp

[weak pine]

I just realized my 385 chest from last week is now BiS. Cool

[past harbor]

@misty light asked "if you are chaining envenoms, do you cast just before EP falls off, or just after Envenom falls off?"

[royal lantern]

mute at 4cp=you are going too be energy starved in a couple of seconds

[gentle belfry]

When you Sim the uldir traits, does it account for the amount of stacks you have?

[proven ice]

if u choose

[gentle belfry]

Such an option exists on raidbots?

[misty light]

@past harbor I ask every few days and nobody has ever given me an answer

[gentle belfry]

:dansgame:

Wao

[misty light]

idk if dumb question or if nobody knows answer

[gentle belfry]

Thanks boss

[proven ice]

np

[royal lantern]

you should wait until the envenom buff is about too run out before you apply a new evenom

[misty light]

even when using EP?

ok

[keen spruce]

@misty light what question?

[misty light]

if you are chaining envenoms, do you cast just before EP falls off, or just after Envenom falls off?

[proven ice]

You want to push envenom into EP if you've just ruptured, but don't clip envenom buff if you just envenomed

[misty light]

cool

thanks

[lone junco]

Unless. Tb.

[gentle belfry]

So is trying to maximize exang still the optimal way to go?

[keen spruce]

most people simming higher with tb now

[gentle belfry]

:O

[keen spruce]

but if you have exang you should maximize it

[lone junco]

We prob don't have crit to get 3env anyway.

[gentle belfry]

Is that what you need to max TB? env traits?

More specifically, 3 of them?

[lone junco]

I am glad to be off the mastery stack for a few months anyway.

[lucid bolt]

FeelsBadMan I got cut from my raid group because my dps sucks butts 😦

[gentle belfry]

Yikes

[lucid bolt]

haha

[proven ice]

send logs

[gentle belfry]

Pls

[lucid bolt]

Honestly I'm not good but yeah ill send you my logs...

[half flume]

did you put your daggers in the bad guys?

[subtle lodge]

So what traits its everyone using now

[cosmic forge]

with the recent tuning to SS - is it worth keeping 2x SS or swaping over to 2x DD - goal is to maximise single target? simming seems to only add 0.6% deeps

[brisk flicker]

so I have laser matrix on helm, archive of titan on chest, and sharpened blades on shoulder. Raidbots is telling me to go to shrouded suffocation instead of archive of the titan on chest.

Should I listen to raid bots? 😮

[proven ice]

Archive- Lazers- Battle focus

[hazy forge]

can you use gladiators medallion pvp trinket in pve situations?

[chilly marsh]

anyoen have the macro with 2 or 3 skill based on talents ?

[lucid bolt]

whats everyones rotation? i tried using the pinned one and it doesnt seem to work for me...

[cosmic forge]

example of one : #showtooltip
/cast [talent:3/3]Marked for Death
/cast [talent:7/2]Secret Technique

[chilly marsh]

this one ty

you know what i need to put for pvp talents khuro?

[delicate gull]

is anyone running Master Assasin and TB with twist knife and archive? cuz its my best sim apparently lmao

[cosmic forge]

uh no, oddly enough, lol

[strange python]

Hi guys

[lucid bolt]

hi

[strange python]

Im kinda new here so i have few questions

[mild coral]

run

[dark token]

The guide says FoK on 3 or more targets, but the APL says FoK on 2 or more 🤔

[strange python]

is simc / askmrrobot even accurate?

mr robot suggests wrong traits all the time

[chilly marsh]

i wanna put CB and Death from above in teh same button

so it changes while inside dgs

and pvp

[safe matrix]

I don't know much about AMR, I just know that not many people/no one I know uses it

[dark token]

mr robot suggests different traits from simc because it uses a different (worse/simpler) apl than simc

[strange python]

aha

[dark token]

im currently making private APLs that copy simc for all 3 specs for amr

[strange python]

so aside of traits and azerite gear

[dark token]

because otherwise their tool is good

https://i.imgur.com/5VAsSej.png

stuff like this is in simc apl

[strange python]

can i listen it for best gear in bags?

[dark token]

but amr apl is much simpler

[ebon bramble]

nah

[strange python]

rly?

damn..

[safe matrix]

the tough part is going to be keeping up

[dark token]

yeah

thats why i waited until now

[safe matrix]

because the raidbots APL is a communal effort with the APL being updated multiple times a day

[dark token]

unless they change how azerite traits work or class abilties work

rogue apl hasnt been updated in a week or so

[strange python]

So can i just make quick dps sims on raidbots and just check what gear makes best dps (non azerite gear)

[dark token]

dmg scaling buffs/nerfs shouldnt affect it

do top gear sims on raidbots

or when i finish these apls use amr which is what i intend to do after confirming they are accurate

its much faster for sorting through 50 pieces of gear in my bags for upgrades like i do

[summer tapir]

Exsang and TB sim within 1% for me. Which would you all say is easier to play of the two on bosses without adds?

[dark token]

or finding which bosses to coin

or dungeons to run

[weak pine]

TB is much easier

[strange python]

does quick sim work well if i just quick sim my gear sets and choose gear with best dps ?

i say sang if you're using SS to maximize any ambushes you can get in plus opener

[dark token]

im used to exsang its not really hard

[strange python]

but it also depends on fight, TB is easier to manage

[dark token]

bro

[pallid bluff]

i personally like Sang better

[random pollen]

Hey, what helm should i roll for in heroic uldir? the mythrax helm or vectis?

[dark token]

@strange python there is literally a top gear sim on raidbots use that

[strange python]

garrote not ambush lmao* too used to outlaw

[summer tapir]

I can either go 2 SS or 1 SS and Laser Matrix

for uldir do I want to use LM regardlerss?

[pallid bluff]

probably

for M+ i would use 2 ss still though

[summer tapir]

Okay thank you!

I cant manage to get one for myt shoulders yet though so I'm stuck with only 2

[graceful rivet]

only simming at 12k... 352 ilvl but only 1 SS

[pallid bluff]

just get an all leather group that doesnt need them and run freehold

[strange python]

i'm gonna try out 2x DD 1x SS to see if i like it, but currently using vice versa with sang / CT and i enjoy it

[ocean oyster]

Is triple SS still best for m+?

[signal stream]

so im super big dumb, i had my enchants turned off in raidbots and im sitting here panicing as to why my character is simming for almost 1k less dps than everyone else my ilvl

[ocean oyster]

Im current using 1 laser and 2x ss and laser is always screwing up ccs and stuff

[pallid bluff]

yeah i hate laser in M+ but 3x SS seems fine still

[ocean oyster]

itll be a difference of 30 ilvls though

so i hope triple ss makes up for it

[stray bramble]

is the Garrote bug still a thing?

[strange python]

i think so

i haven't tried to actually apply a 4th garrote since i found out about it

[pallid bluff]

i drop 30 ilvls on two pieces of gear and it still seems wortht to run 3xSS

[lost sentinel]

ez, test on dummies

and last I checked it's still a thing

[strange python]

unfortunate

so with toxic blade do i wanna hold it for when i can do 2 envenoms in a row

or simply use it on cd

without thinking

lmao

cause the guide says "toxic blade on cool down"

[storm pumice]

You use it on CD but plan your envenoms around it

Not the other way around

[strange python]

on cooldown means if you're in a perfect patcherk situation, otherwise use it when you're able to do the most damage with it

it's like using sang on cd when you're bleeds are at 30%

[sharp schooner]

right but if sang is coming off cooldown you should be getting full bleeds up

same idea with toxic

[formal ermine]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fskpR42CSooyTVjVfpUhkS Hi, could someone tell me what to change? It shows me so much but I feel that something is wrong here. In fact, it's around 10-11 k 😫

[candid phoenix]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[hollow dawn]

i thought assa was not viable anymore after nerfs Kappa

[candid phoenix]

my raid dps remained the same w/o any SS trait frankly

and a little higher cus of ilvl

M+ dps got splat

[dim dagger]

What azerite traits are you guys running now after the nerf?

[strange python]

still triple ss

[elfin tiger]

scent is simming higher in any aoe situation i put

and hectic

3x scent

3x ss only beats it in 20sec fights

[dim dagger]

SB is not an option?

[delicate gull]

theres like legit a bunch of different traits showing up in top ranks atm, literally just sim everything and use the best

[elfin tiger]

literally just gonna switch to outlaw fuck this

[dim dagger]

The thing is, i use archive of titans x2 atm at it doesnt feel great

[strange python]

idk what traits are even good for single target on outlaw

[delicate gull]

snek

[elfin tiger]

deadshot, and raid traits

[strange python]

i have 3x snake eyes but when it comes to bosses i do way less

cleave is god tier though

at what point with deadshot do you start regularly using BTE in your rotation outside of the crit buff

[elfin tiger]

i never had anything less than 3x DS so I cant tell

[strange python]

i only have 1, maybe 2 idk

[elfin tiger]

with 3x you almost always use BTE and PS on proc

even after nerf its solid

[strange python]

when you say always use bte on proc do you mean when buffed or on CD

[proven ice]

#outlaw

[strange python]

ya ik but he mentioned it and i had 1 question

i'm not going to ask him to respond to me in the outlaw channel

[lucid bolt]

how r u guys doing progerssoin wise in raids?

[wheat zealot]

Pm him then?

We dont support meme specs in this channel

[radiant ruin]

not overlapping enevnom buffs is more important than maintaining EP correct?

[signal crag]

so whats everyone running for m+?

[proven ice]

yes

[cinder lotus]

going to heroic soon, still dont know if i keep 2 SS or 1 Ss and 1 Archive

[proven ice]

10% on envenom isn't worth clipping EP and losing poision buff

[pulsar bluff]

this discord start to get really boring, i have an eye 20/24 on my second screen, i only see elitist and haughty answers, what's wrong with most of people here ? 😮

[storm epoch]

^

basic questions arent welcome anymore

[pulsar bluff]

so dont answer to them and dont waste your time and energy

maybe someone will answer

[keen spruce]

I mean you can literally scroll up like 4 times

and an answer to your question will be there

[strange python]

I have tried searching this channel for it found nothing... But does Double Dose gain any dmg from Master Poisoner or is the dmg from DD a separate dmg source?

[keen spruce]

from one of the people that ask it 40 times an hour

[lucid bolt]

this channel doesnt ahve that much activity anyways its not like hes spamming

[keen spruce]

I dunno 50hz

[storm epoch]

just ignore it if you dont wanna answer

[strange python]

75%+ of questions are answered in the pins.. i put check pins emote

[pulsar bluff]

so dont answer, it's still better to answer nothing than a 20 guys rush telling elitist things

to a man looking for an answer

[keen spruce]

The man isn't looking for answer

[lucid bolt]

i dont trust those pins\

[pulsar bluff]

so it's his problem

not your's

[keen spruce]

If they're looking for an answer they would check the pins

or scroll up

or put in even a basic level of effort

[lucid bolt]

the pins arent teh only opinion though

[safe matrix]

The pins are usually accurate

[pulsar bluff]

look like the same problem as little di** guys with a small car

[safe matrix]

if they aren't I'll change them

[pulsar bluff]

it make me mad

[lucid bolt]

i doubt everyone in here follos those pins exactly

[pulsar bluff]

big war*

[lucid bolt]

you are allowed to have a playstyle other than what is written in the pins

[shell viper]

To play devils advocate I know alot of people who have no idea how discord works that come here for help. Give em some slack 😃

[strange python]

the pins are my bible

[pulsar bluff]

people here made a "community"

there are modos to administrate this

[lucid bolt]

be nice or ill assassinate you OMEGALUL

[pulsar bluff]

if you dont want to answer, just say nothing

[dense blaze]

omegalul 😃

[delicate gull]

cant tell if hes trolling

[safe matrix]

A lot of people get frustrated with the same few questions getting asked, so pointing to the resources is a valid answer to a lot of questions.

[keen spruce]

I mean we're all in here talking about stuff, and every 3 minutes someone comes in and asks something to the effect of "what is best trait?"

[safe matrix]

We try to keep our resources reliable and fitting to answer most questions.

[pulsar bluff]

there is a way to do this, try it in real life, it wont be the same

[delicate gull]

we also got recently nerfed so were angry 😡

[keen spruce]

and we all have to either ignore them while they keep asking

[lucid bolt]

rogues need to be cool calm and collected the 3 c's the combo, they cant be angry snapping at people that is more warrioresque

[keen spruce]

pretend it's not kind of annoying and answer EVERY 3 minutes

[strange python]

imagine answering the same question 300 times a day and then complaining

[keen spruce]

the same thing

[shell viper]

@delicate gull Im not angry, you're angry

[pallid bluff]

"is SS still good for mythic plus" has been asked at least 4 times in the past hour. WHILE we were talking about SS in mythic plus

[keen spruce]

or be a little snarky and maybe they'll put in a little more effort before asking next time

[cinder lotus]

@pallid bluff I got a question for you

[safe matrix]

Anyways, don't become bitter people.

[sharp wharf]

are the ss nerfs in raidbots? ;d

[lucid bolt]

to be fair though the pin thing isnt obvious to someone new to discord

[manic minnow]

Would you still run 3 garr traits for dungeon ? debating wether to swap a 340 gar trait for a 370 archive

[keen spruce]

I'd rather be a little condescending if it makes someone more self sufficient next time. That's how I learned when I started out

I asked dumbass questions, I got scolded but also pointed in the right direction

[safe matrix]

@sharp wharf

[hardy veldt]

stat priority still the same for pvp after nerf to ss?

[sharp wharf]

it was meant to be sarcasm

[keen spruce]

and now I can normally find what i'm looking for from one of the many resources available without bothering people

[sharp wharf]

but thanks.

[marble hemlock]

anyone know if raidbots already has the SS changes?

[safe matrix]

See, I deal with the community enough to never assume sarcasm at first.

[radiant ruin]

my 2nd vanish should be held for my 3rd vendetta or do i hold 2nd vendetta for 2nd vanish

[safe matrix]

I try to be helpful first 🤷

[keen spruce]

They're on the same CD

@radiant ruin

[marble hemlock]

assa still seems good in m+ btw

[keen spruce]

and should pretty much line up

[pallid bluff]

yeah sin is still great in M+

[marble hemlock]

so everyone crying about assa being unplayable should just suck it up

[keen spruce]

you'll hold 2nd vendetta for a little bit maybe

depending on where you are in your rotatoin

[radiant ruin]

yea do i hold that vendetta for the 10 ishseconds

[keen spruce]

but they should pretty much overlap automatically

[strange python]

i dont undestand how thre 355 fathoms still sims higher than a 380 dead-eye spyglass & 370 harlan's

[shell viper]

lets be real assass is just boring, but we gotta do it :L

[marble hemlock]

assa in m+ is hella fun

[keen spruce]

you don't need to save vendetta for when vanish is off CD though

vendetta lasts a while

[pallid bluff]

all three specs seem to have their place in certain scenarios and thats pretty cool

[marble hemlock]

assa on singletarget is super boring though, yeah

[keen spruce]

so you can get it out a few seconds before vanish becomes available

[lucid bolt]

the correct opener is stealth>vanish>mutilate to 5 points>kick>evasion>shroud of darkness>shadowstep>garrote

[keen spruce]

Vanish auto attack

you scrub

[lucid bolt]

oh yes how could i forget

[keen spruce]

[lucid bolt]

lol

oh yeah dont forget to prepot!

[shell viper]

Personally my opener always starts with a swap blaster on mythrax

[lucid bolt]

toxic blade on cool down of course

[strange python]

anyone else got a 355 fathoms that sims consistently higher than 370 harlan's ?

[pallid bluff]

whats sad is someone could read that and think you were being serious

[lucid bolt]

lol no way vel

[remote leaf]

the pins contain very little useful info actually

[pallid bluff]

man

have you not met people who play wow casually

[lucid bolt]

i do play wow casually!

[remote leaf]

heh

Jesus I wish I had a 370 Harlans

[lucid bolt]

thats why i got removed from my raid group for not doing high enough dps and being perfect on mechanics FeelsBadMan

[lilac sparrow]

Now DH has better dps on every situation

[radiant ruin]

do i need to let garrote fall off entirely when i go to use SS

[remote leaf]

Ive got to grind more Mythic+

[pallid bluff]

DH isnt better in every scenario

[tropic hull]

have 380 harlan

[remote leaf]

oooo

[strange python]

So jokes aside what is opener for exsanguinate and only one trait (helm) of shrouded suffocation?.

[royal lantern]

same as with 2 or 3 traits

na, on aoe 3x garrote, on st 2x garrote->rupture

[keen spruce]

Harlan's should do a little more than a fathoms but they're really close

[pulsar bluff]

garote / rupture / garote ./vendetta / muti / env, etc...

[keen spruce]

370 harlan's *

[pulsar bluff]

with one or + SS traits

[keen spruce]

Fathoms is pretty much better than every single 370 trinket

except maybe 3

[tropic hull]

this week so shitty holy

[pallid bluff]

for pure ST my fathoms and 340 galecallers sim higher than a 370 spyglass and 370 harlans

[marble hemlock]

i like how in the same dungeon

sometimes theres additional mobs in a pack