assassination

[modest zodiac]

lol 385

[obsidian ridge]

385 ..

[modest zodiac]

SoB is now better than SS anw

[outer acorn]

but for m+

[hushed crane]

Sob = ?

[inland path]

just opened my chest

got a 385 az chest

with double dose

easy game

[outer acorn]

scent of blood

[sick vine]

Lucky

[ebon garden]

355 archive or 340 SS outside of raid?

[sick vine]

So we want to 3 stack sob?

[outer acorn]

340ss outside

[silk jolt]

3x SS pre and post nerf

[rose wharf]

Seliathan said on his stream ss ist still best with ~7%loss on st and ~12 on aoe

[modest zodiac]

I'm really lost with my current item

[radiant fossil]

Yeah 385 helm with fan of blades traits 😂 already deleted

[chrome ledge]

But try running a dungeon with x3 SS, its still a lot of dmg

[sick vine]

Oki ty

[outer acorn]

wait

ss was nerfed?

[elder cypress]

last week looted 2 legs this weeks 2 times hands ❤

[hard plaza]

Might try 3x dd

[inland path]

just got a DD 385 in chest

kreygasm

[slender smelt]

Double dose is better in bloodmallet

What is going on

[violet sail]

DD would be better ST worse AoE than SS though right?

[slender smelt]

So ST = DD AoE = SS?

[zealous dew]

Job Status:

In Queue

1680 / 2519

rip

[ebon garden]

thats why i have the simcraft app

[rose dove]

@outer acorn SS got... Gutted 😎 40% nerf

[slender smelt]

At least they should have fixed the ss bug

[inner tree]

so double dose is it boys ?

[slender smelt]

Please blizz you fucktards

[zealous dew]

maybe it is working as intended

lol

[hard plaza]

People choosing double dose over sharpened?

[ebon garden]

WutFace

[rose dove]

Sharpened is the worst

Its good but its literally the worst

[strange python]

Are the keys from weekly cache still bugged? did 13 freehold and got 15 freehold from the chest

[harsh raven]

Running with 1 x SS and 2 x DD atm

[modest zodiac]

I'm using the blizzard item recover to recover a chest with DD that i scrapped a week ago . THanks blizzard for making me look in the trash can

[hard plaza]

Yeah thinking the same zeptin

[harsh raven]

I never had 3 x SS though, so my dps loss has been marginal

[thorn crater]

last week i got a 365 a 370 and a 375 back

today i open chest, 380 back

[hard plaza]

I have 3 ss

[thorn crater]

FUCK.THIS.GAME

[sick vine]

Zep hows the dps?

[hard plaza]

But all 340

[strange python]

I run 1x ss and 2x titans

[harsh raven]

well, I´m more casual than you guys so still just below 250 itemlevel. I rocked the M+ I did last night, though. Still feels good as Assassination

[inner tree]

385 worst shoulders world feelsgoodman

https://gyazo.com/9add6528fb734b443b6154ad020eb254

[ebon garden]

rip

[hard plaza]

Lol

I got a ring for the their week in a row ....

[strange python]

Imagine my pain. I got 385 belt from m taloc and 380 belt from weekly

[harsh raven]

sub pulls a bit ahead with my current gear, but not by much. I´ll stick to Assassination up to Zul atleast

[strange python]

[hard plaza]

Decent

[sick vine]

Feels like outlaw is stronger for m+

[subtle fable]

for sure is now

[harsh raven]

@sick vine I dropped like 200 on sims. Did not notice a big difference in M+

but again, I never had 3 x SS

[sick vine]

The only thing i do is push m+ and max hc uldir

[hard plaza]

Outlaw is easier to play in m+ for sure

[sick vine]

So might reroll outlaw for chests etc

[strange python]

Outlaw sucks on boss fights tho

[harsh raven]

how are the damage-logs looking after nerf? Too few parses in yet, perhaps?

[hard plaza]

Yeah be enough 2moro I imagine

[woeful scaffold]

its fine

[inner tree]

i had matrix 2SS lost about 700 dps

[grave pagoda]

ist it a big diffrance with enchant u have in main / offhand. haste vs crit

[frank wyvern]

EllmoToday at 9:22 AM
Outlaw is easier to play in m+ for sure

i would say sin is the easiest spec to play

in anything

[thin plinth]

i had 2x ss and Dd, lost about 700

[inner tree]

tbf they are both faceroll specs

[sudden ocean]

If Master Assassin sims higher for me, do I vanish envenom or vanish rupture?

[opaque junco]

How often does DD actually procc, realistically?

[grave pagoda]

had 3 ss lost about 500ish

[frank wyvern]

is that trinket from world boss any good btw?

[inland path]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cUMeocHzwthKyH7Xy1LJzp

[sly bloom]

Whats DD? 🤔

[inland path]

master poisoner sims 80 dps lower than EP for me

[opaque junco]

Double dose

[harsh raven]

Double Dose

[sly bloom]

Tjx

Thx*

[opaque junco]

When muti poisons with both attacks deal extra damage, just curious how often that happends

[harsh raven]

What haste are you guys aiming for?

[west frost]

It's what, 35% to apply?

[harsh raven]

like what is the threshold before crit takes over?

[violet sail]

Anyone wanna help a fellow hordey roguebro out with a shrine m0 for SS helmet

[opaque junco]

50% to apply

[west frost]

So 25% of the time then

You'll DD

[frank wyvern]

@inland path which traits you simmed those 14.5k with?

in nightly

[grave pagoda]

how important is it to have haste enchant in main hand vs offhand

[west frost]

Doesn't matter

[fiery cradle]

i sim like 14.4k with 2 archives and 1 dd

[grave pagoda]

at all ?

[west frost]

Don't believe so? Doesn't change proc rate

Doesn't change amount

Afaik

[grave pagoda]

well dont u use mainhand for more abilitys

like garrote TB and so on ?

[inland path]

@frank wyvern 1 DD, 1 SS, 1 Arcive

[ripe comet]

if you play poison Build it's 80 % per gut After finisher

[frank wyvern]

ok ty

[ripe comet]

so it's higher overall

[solid nova]

Sim the enchants in the opposite hands and you'll see @grave pagoda

[ripe comet]

well basically in every Build unless you spann crimson tempest

[inland path]

nerf didnt rly affect me for w/e reason

[ripe comet]

Yeah the nerf Hits really Not as hard as i trought , After 2 new +10 ilvl pieces ( one without haste ) i Sim like 400 dps lower without a uldir piece

[frank wyvern]

well you didnt use 2/3 SS traits

so nerf is lower

[ripe comet]

20 / 40 sec fights with spark and 2 ss in 4 Mobs are super fine

but i dident get a Key out of my chest so Top my 10 Key i guess

Thanks Mr blizzard

*rip my

[grave pagoda]

wow aim que is high today, i wonder why..

[frank wyvern]

yeah same here.... no key in chest

[grave pagoda]

sim*

[frank wyvern]

wtf

[inner tree]

SS is so low in hectic now ...

[nimble bison]

Did they fix the ss bug or just nerfed it?

[ripe comet]

you prolly had your old Key in inventory still when you Opened the chest

[gleaming kelp]

Just nerf

[ripe comet]

it gewettet mine to 7 days

and After reloading it was gone

[inner tree]

and DD seems garbage in cleave scenario time to switch spec for m+

[ripe comet]

just Stay ss and Sim 20/40 sec

[frank wyvern]

well you always have your old key in inventory

it never gets lost

[ripe comet]

you're fine bro

[silk helm]

Is SS still the top DPS after nerf?

[west frost]

Not lookin like it

[strange python]

is heed my call underperforming what it says on bloodmallet, my end of dungeon damage summaries have it at like 0.7% overall

[grave pagoda]

haste /crit enchant vs crit/haste enchant was about 5 dps diffrance

[silk helm]

Dammit just got my first two SS pieces monday, so what we looking towards then?

[ripe comet]

keep em for m+

[pale knot]

man it feels like ive lost all burst

[solid nova]

@grave pagoda Ye, all within margin of error etc. So its preference 😄

[onyx wind]

lmao

385 SS

with transfusion secondary

[slender hare]

lol

go back in time a week

[onyx wind]

sad lifee

[slender hare]

and cry of happines

now just cry

[onyx wind]

I get them all at the wrong times

Last week i got 385 SB

[slender hare]

damn

i got a 380 dagger :U

[grave pagoda]

@onyx wind got a 370 chest with SS, its still good tho

[west frost]

Well sb is still high....

[pale knot]

last week sb cheest this week sb shoulders

[tardy yoke]

1x laser matrix, 1 archive, 1 SS is what sims the highest for me. Still lower dmg with a SB instead of SS cause no SB stack with high ilvl gear

[grave pagoda]

i have 3 ss and i did only drop like 5-600 isg

its not that bad

[onyx wind]

wait

im gonna actually

have to play this trait LMAO

[nimble bison]

Bis for aoe

[onyx wind]

what a meme

[tardy yoke]

Dropped from 15k sim to 14850, so not too bad. Obviously took a big hit for m+ but nothing thats not fair either

[frail widget]

Sims not right

If u use raid traits

[true thistle]

anyway guys

just sim yourself as sin and sub

compare the weights

[undone cairn]

shits broke right?

[snow orchid]

archive of the titans stack right? So I can use two pieces with it

[true thistle]

the more ilvl you have better you are compared to sub

[brave gyro]

that moment when u finally get a 385 SS trait helm in your weekly, but its 40% nerfed :PepeHands:

[frail widget]

Yeah you will sin higher than u should if you’re using raid traits

[undone cairn]

cause archive is giving me a huge dps increase

[frail widget]

Sim

[fiery sage]

The titan dont stack

[crystal robin]

guys is it better to keep your elaborate planning up all the fight or better use above 4 combo points? i'm using it also with 3 combo points to keep it up, wanted to know everyone else opinion

[nimble bison]

Lucky me i didnt get any azerite pieces so i sim properly ha

[brave gyro]

above 4 @crystal robin

[gentle hornet]

my sim's tell me my 370 meticulous scheming is my best. but i hate that trait. proc rates horrible. sometimes procs twice before the proc is up, and then i go 1.5 minutes without a proc

[fiery cradle]

primary stat from archive stacks the secondary doesn't.

[crystal robin]

@brave gyro what do yo umean nerfed? did they nerf ss??

[brave gyro]

yea? 40% nerf

[crystal robin]

fuck me

need to find patch notes

QQ

[gentle hornet]

i swapped it out for a 340 double dose and i do more on a dummy than my 370 meticulous. so take sim's with a grain of salt

[frail widget]

My dmg in raid tonight was so meh

Feels bad

[brave gyro]

itts still BIS trait until we get 5+ stacks on titans'

[kind stump]

Its not

[brave gyro]

thats what he sims show at least

[kind stump]

For you

[inner tree]

sharpened blades omegalul

go DD

[versed bobcat]

So go ss dd archive oder just leave the ss lane completely m

[undone cairn]

would you say the sims for raid gear are over tuned?

[frank wyvern]

i will keep 1xSS tbh

feels nice to open with

[frail widget]

Yeah u don’t do what u sim

[undone cairn]

ic

[frail widget]

If ur simming with archive or laser

[undone cairn]

so i'll assume my 385 twist the knife is stronger

[frail widget]

Feels pretty shit all around tbh

[brave gyro]

this is with exsang

[severe raven]

Honestly, all the simming i've done. The traits are negligable.

[brave gyro]

TB sims lower with SS

[inner tree]

you can deactivate the uldir stack thing in options

[spring prawn]

what do u think about affixes this week? ez +15s?

[frank wyvern]

it doesnt stack in a way that its always 20 stacks, but it does double the primary stat

origination array on the other hand, does not stack

[astral sundial]

SS still seems decent trait after the nerfs, according the raidbots is still on top if you are no inside uldir

[true thistle]

@spring prawn what are afixes?

this week

[frail widget]

Last week was easier

[spring prawn]

teeming fort quaking

[true thistle]

quite nice

[brave gyro]

exactly @astral sundial

[undone cairn]

i sim higher on sub but

fuck sub

[severe raven]

Doesn't matter what combination you run. SBx3 (or SBx2 + Archive) optimal raid. For M+ trash 2-3x SS

[inner tree]

DD is best for me on sims

[west frost]

Surely dd with tb is above ss exsang

[brave gyro]

I too sim like 200 more on sub @undone cairn but its way more punnishing for progress, so whatever

[true thistle]

dont look at sims

as sin you can move, and you still deal damage

you can execute mechanics without slightly dps loss

[brave gyro]

^

[onyx wind]

lmao

[severe raven]

SSx3 + Sang > SSx3 + TB? I don't even think so

[onyx wind]

guess its a freee choice now

[frail widget]

Maybe I’ll play outlul

[true thistle]

xD

[west frost]

372 Jesus christ

[severe raven]

@onyx wind what's your ilvl?

[onyx wind]

372

[undone cairn]

wtf

[true thistle]

mythic gear?

or +10 gear

[onyx wind]

I just do too much m+ lmao

[undone cairn]

fr

[true thistle]

all clear\

[strange python]

Get blessed by rng have good dps

[undone cairn]

i like assa too much to switch lmao

[severe raven]

@onyx wind what build is better for m+? exsang or tb?

[strange python]

Wow in 2018

[true thistle]

i have not enouch score to get on well with pugs

[brave gyro]

exsang, and CT

[onyx wind]

I cant say whats better for you

If you have 3x SS i would go TB/CT

[frail widget]

My trait reforge price is redic

[brave gyro]

actually, it might change wether tyranical 🤔

[onyx wind]

Think it works better with fortified

[severe raven]

CT?

[onyx wind]

Since mobs dont diee in ur exsang now

Would be better to just let garrotee run out

[dim sentinel]

now laser matrix its better?

[frank wyvern]

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/K4iJGXzCAL9WfLM2Z3CReCw-YfptLIxjZXa2GY_12Ro/https/cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/491162239198429195/unknown.png

your price is ridic? 😃

[onyx wind]

1x uldir trait is bis in eveery single fight

[frank wyvern]

get on my level

[onyx wind]

in raids

[frank wyvern]

lol

[frail widget]

Mine is over 80k

[thin plinth]

LOL

[frank wyvern]

haha

[frail widget]

Keep trying out sub remembering i hate it

[candid jasper]

Jesus, 40k to change traits???

[frank wyvern]

same here 😄

yeah, goes up for 2x each time you do it

[wind berry]

How? never got past 100 gold or something

[frank wyvern]

but it fades every day by half also

[wind shore]

Tfw your reforge price is low because you get no azerite pieces :pepehands:

[dim sentinel]

so now what do you think will be the best traits?

[onyx wind]

It will 100% depeend on your gear

Sadly there is no beeest trait anymore

[dim sentinel]

so SSs3 its still betteR?

[candid jasper]

Is sin ahead of sub atm?

[dire steeple]

1x lazer 2xSS

[spring prawn]

worst chests i ever opened in my life.

[dim sentinel]

humm

[frank wyvern]

now even the traits guide will say "sim yourself

[onyx wind]

But in the top, there are SB (if stacked), DD, BI, 1x SS

Also any uldir trait is far above any other trait

So 1 of those is a must-have

[zinc frost]

Makes no sense to me that they would change so many Azerite traits and keep the gold sink.

[frank wyvern]

im using 2x archive

[supple lagoon]

If I'm looking at blood mallet and it says triple stacking item level is 385, can I assume the same azerite trait rankings at ilvl 340?

[frail widget]

Uldir traits suck without stacks of array up

[slender hare]

yeah

[brave gyro]

So, i should reforge my normal shoulders for the 1x titan? (sacing 1x SS, and 1x Inev for sub) ? @onyx wind

[dim sentinel]

what do you mean by SB?

[supple lagoon]

@slender hare Is that yeah for me?

[nimble bison]

Harpened blades

S*

[inner tree]

u need 1 uldir trait in raid it's too good

[lilac fern]

One would think that Uldir traits arent so powerful in M+

[shrewd bane]

so now

1 ss and 2 dd ?

[onyx wind]

@brave gyro definetely

[frail widget]

They aren’t good without reorigination array x5 or more

They’re actually shit

[onyx wind]

But only when raiding

in m+ SS is still bis

[wind shore]

Im going for 1ss 2dd or 1 ss 1 dd 1 archive for uldir

Leaving ss feels garbage

The 2 cp feels so smooth now

[brave gyro]

yeah, i have separete shoulder for it, so this is np @onyx wind

[frail widget]

Did u guys raid tonight? Dps is def a lot lower at least for me since the nerf

[frank wyvern]

well im using 370 archive piece in m+ also tbh.... 20 stacks of 12 agi = 240 agi perma pretty much, sounds good to me

[onyx wind]

DPS Should bee almost the samee oncee you change traits/playstyle

[frail widget]

I’m 369. It’s not

[wind shore]

I only had 1 ss anyway so didn't feel that different to me

[hasty sable]

i have a question regarding exsanguinate, its kind of hard to describe so ill just use an example.
say I have rupture ticking on the target. I activate exsanguinate. When rupture's duration is at 5s I refresh it at 5 CP and I get a 29s rupture. Will 5 seconds of the new rupture have the exsanguinate effect?

[frail widget]

Went from 1st every time to like 4th

[brave gyro]

i'vebeen so unlucky, still have 1x 340 dagger :x

[strange python]

im still running 3x SS

[onyx wind]

@frail widget What % parsees are you doing?

[vital haven]

370 archive piece is pretty much better than every 340 azerite trait

[frail widget]

I was doing 80-95

[vital haven]

at least my sims tell me that

[onyx wind]

340 archive is still better than any 340 azerite trait

[crystal robin]

blizz has a algo to fuck us, i got from chest an armor that i had the highest ilvl

[strange python]

I got 2 380 daggers from pvp chest and m+ cache so my dps went up actually 😛

[onyx wind]

So yeeah

[wind shore]

@brave gyro unlucky?

[vital haven]

even outside of uldir

[wind shore]

I still have 2x 340 azerite

[vital haven]

i meant

[grave pagoda]

guys, im currentrly in dragonsoul, but garrote form stealth just gives 1 CP, does it bug or is it just in here

[onyx wind]

Sometimees my garrote gives 1 aswell

[wind shore]

After 2 weeks of mythic and 4 clears of uldir + some mythic xd

[brave gyro]

me too, what of the azerite pieces? @wind shore

[onyx wind]

I think it happeens when i shadowstep and garroteee in sam global

[wind shore]

Have tidal surge shoulders and some mid tier chest

[frail widget]

Need to get some good outlaw traits

[wind shore]

The only good one is the world boss head from last week that gave ss

[onyx wind]

Right now im using 1x SB, 1x BI, 1x SS for ST

lmao

[vital haven]

jeez

well i guess it worked blizz

[warm sable]

I just w8 something like this to happend... Assasin rogue didn't need any loot from Raid and now they didn't only nerf us, they gave us reson to go to Raid

[vital haven]

everyone is not stackkngnanymore

[nimble bison]

But 1 sb is doodoo

[brave gyro]

i might go TB for raids tbh. It sims 0.5% lower, which is like, whatever

[strange python]

I use 1 LM 1 BI 1DD

[onyx wind]

I think exsang is better if you havee galeeecalleer?

[brave gyro]

i do

[onyx wind]

Yeaeh

[brave gyro]

355 one

[frail widget]

I coined a 10 shrine today and just got a damn dagger

[vital haven]

thats nice isnt it?

[wind shore]

Did it wf at least?

[brave gyro]

got this bad boy for Sub / Outlaw today tho

[onyx wind]

Not bad not bad

I got the proc on

[frail widget]

Already have a 380 mh and 365 oh. So it was only 5 ilvl off hand

[onyx wind]

its poop

[inner tree]

is weapon ilvl that important for sin ?

[wind shore]

You want to trade exeo?

I can give you my 385 ghuun trinket

[brave gyro]

the one i got is good for sub (especially openers)

[fallow sinew]

Got the 395 cannon trinket, not sure if I should be happy

[onyx wind]

fathoms still outdmg's this onee

lmao

[wind shore]

That sims lower than a 340 wq trinket

[onyx wind]

You should

gz dude

[wind shore]

I grinded fh 10s and still dont have the trinket

Did one on my monk and got it 1st try

Feelsbad

[thin plinth]

guys i sim higher with dice and fathoms then fathoms and spyglass, both dice abd spyglass 340, so dice is more bis then spyglass for us ?

[violet sail]

Any advice on how to use galecallers effectively ? first time with trinket

[shrewd bane]

yes kris

[west frost]

I don't think gc Sims well

[gloomy jasper]

Rerolling from WW to rogue, how is sin since the nerfs? Are more people swaying towards sub? I played both in legion at mythic level

[fallow sinew]

Had 370 loaded dice and 355 Galecaller's Boon. This doesn't feel like an upgrade at all imo

[inner tree]

idk sub just feel wonky

[wind shore]

Sub depends on the fight and how tou play

[chilly bear]

which azerite trait we are stacking right now, after SS was nerfed that hard?

[vast edge]

can any confirm if SS trait bug has been fix now that the trait got nerfed?

[wind shore]

Sin has a pretty consistent feel through the expacs

It didn't get fixed for me at least

[cobalt cave]

Hey, is SS still the best for M+?

[inner tree]

yes

[gloomy jasper]

I've always preferred sin playstyle especially the more bleed centric version

[fiery cradle]

for some reason a 370 dooms wake and a 360 plume of seaborne avian sims higher than a 345 socketed galecallers and 350 dice

zzzz

[ember ermine]

@onyx wind do you still run x3 ss in M+

[vast edge]

i tried doing a mythic with 2 scent of blood and 1 DD felt so terrible.. pack dmg was horrible.. going back to 3xSS for m+..

[inner tree]

having one SS feels mandatory

[wind shore]

For m ss should still be best

Considering you know how to play with the bug

[violet sail]

Just ran a M+ with 2x SS traits garrote still 40% of my damage

[vast edge]

its so funny.. how long that bug has been in the game XD

[ember ermine]

did a +8 shrine and was doing fine but was a lot less dps with x3 ss

[cedar anchor]

pog http://prntscr.com/kw4370

[vast edge]

gg

[shrewd bane]

nice

got a cloak.........

[ember ermine]

i got a crit haste belt

[surreal portal]

same

[vast edge]

my highest item i had was a 375 glove.. got 380 gloves from the weekly.. yay.. 😛

[thin plinth]

thats 2x ss 1x dd, i was at 13947 yday, but i think im gonna stick to this build

[signal salmon]

How did u check bug

[wind shore]

Im leaving my luck for this afternoon

[clear harbor]

So guys garrote garrote rupture is the opener because u get more uptime of garrote right? Or should you still go gar rup gar like it says in the guide?

[signal salmon]

Toll tip is wrong??

Tooltip*

[wind shore]

Dummy and check that damage went to 1.5k

[vast edge]

!ss

[prisma monolith]

Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

[wind shore]

When it should be 9k+

[lusty narwhal]

Fuck what a joke lol

[wind shore]

Gar rup gar is best in my experience

Especially if you run exsang

[signal salmon]

Wonder why tooltip show buff

[violet sail]

even if you dont have 5 combos @wind shore ?

[wind shore]

Yes because you will either vendetta tb into normal rotation

[chrome ledge]

so this week crimson tempest is the way to go in m+?

[wind shore]

Or you vendetta mut into a max rup

[lusty narwhal]

2x SS @ 340 and 2x DD @ 340 with 370 Lazer on both sims lower than 1x Dagger, 1x Shrouded, 1x lazer

good shit.

[wind shore]

To then have max exsang

[vast edge]

iv always done g-g-rupture-vendetta-muti-toxic blade-envenom

[thin plinth]

@CT always did more dmg

[lilac fern]

I still sim over 14k with 3x SS. Should try to get Uldir traits for raiding because its so much better.

[vast edge]

dont like using rupture on 3 CP

[violet sail]

Whats the realistic difference between exang / TB?

[spring prawn]

so... assa still best for m+? im not sure anymore

[wind shore]

Ive tried both and going 3x rup does better for me

[strange python]

You running Exsg or Toxic blade for SS?

[vast edge]

i think it depnds alot more on traits now and what spec you enjoy the most

[wind shore]

But thats something you just try

[lament dove]

why not try it out? everyone asking about which spec is best as if we could tell you what is best for you

[vast edge]

since SS isnt a mile ahead of everything else

[spring prawn]

idc what specc i want to play. i want best results.

[languid stump]

Isnt the simcraft version i can download the same as raidbots, i get different numbers?

[wind shore]

Specs depend on what you do and what boss is

I went outlaw for mythic mother since they wanted me for adds

Even tho sin is better

[vast edge]

dont think the nighly version of simulationcraft is updated with the nerf

[languid stump]

alright

[lilac fern]

@strange python Im running Exsg in M+ and TB in raids.

[fiery cradle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6dAmAfYZsang8Gn6cZg1gr

thonking

[lament dove]

one spec is only better than another if you play all specs up to perfection, but in that case you will know what is best for you, you don't have to ask on discord...

[wind shore]

^

[spring prawn]

im on eu, patch just hit, didnt have time to test.

[lament dove]

if you're a casual (meaning not going for world first kills) go with whichever spec you like most because that's what you will play the best

e.g. I'm a casual and I raid mythic with assa since beginning of WoD^^

[fair hill]

So i went from 13100 to 12529 in sim after the nerf

3ss

Exa

[spring prawn]

for m+ looks like outlaw pulled ahead by quite alot

for me atleast

and im 370

[fair hill]

Im 352 forgot to mention

[lusty narwhal]

the fuck is wrong with the sims lmao

[buoyant tartan]

can someone explain but should we be stacking archive in raid?

[lusty narwhal]

i sim top gear and it equals my equipped but in gear compare its totally different

seemsgood.

[fiery sage]

U cant stack the trait cuz only one array works.

[fiery cradle]

i mean

you can

the main stat still stacks

[fiery sage]

Yes cuz agi but not effekt

[fiery cradle]

what

[sinful lotus]

Hey guys, sombody posted this, but what's the best for Siming for M+, it's not Hectic Add cleave is it? A little frustrated because I liked having 3SS for Raids and M+, now it's 2xDD 1xSoB (for some reason, better than 1xSS), Not sure what to run in M+ though.

I meant 2xDD 1xSoB for ST

[fiery sage]

The array effekt dont stack

[wind shore]

You still run 3x ss for m+ generally

[fiery sage]

U either use titan or laser Matrix

[fiery cradle]

i'd put money that archive and matrix and simming wrong rn aswell

[cedar anchor]

there is no way to sim m+ to be trustworthy

as of now

[sinful lotus]

@cedar anchor Ah ok, thanks for letting me know.

[oblique pewter]

assass will still be better at higher m+ than outlaw

[undone cairn]

Just throw the sims out the window and play whatever playstyle you enjoy :D

[oblique pewter]

and with this week afixes it'll be even worse for outlaw

[fiery cradle]

what if you enjoy optimal playstyle

[modern walrus]

It’s strange that simulation craft not updated yet

[fiery cradle]

:thonking:

[undone cairn]

Then you'll play the optimal playstyle

[fiery cradle]

realistically either way in weeks to come raid traits will be meta because big stacky boys

unless they get gutted

like everything else

[tender walrus]

How much decrease in dps did u guys sim with 3x ss?

[arctic isle]

breh they arent gonna nerf them after they just buffed and nerfed them already

[wind berry]

Lost 700 k

[undone cairn]

700ish

[fiery cradle]

@arctic isle all abilities are subject to change this is beta

[uneven granite]

can someone explain the exsanguinate playstyle ? I'm not quite sure how the opener and burst phase work. Is Garrote Muitlate Rupture Vendetta Exsang the correct opener, or do i use the exsang after is reapply garrote with vanish? in normal rotation should i reapply garrote&rupture no matter the time left or should i wait till i would normaly reapply it and exsang after that?

[arctic isle]

meme

[undone cairn]

Thing is they should of buffed other traits

[fiery cradle]

big meme

[undone cairn]

Instead of only just nerfing

[arctic isle]

do u even know why those traits exist

[undone cairn]

Placeholders

kappa

[lusty narwhal]

I give up

[fiery cradle]

raid traits r blizzards lazy way of not having to tune other traits eventually and just being like herapdur u put time into the raid heres to make sure raid pieces are always better

[lusty narwhal]

nothing I sim gets me even close to what i was before

what the fuck

[undone cairn]

Honestly trait system is just garbage

[arctic isle]

wow

[lusty narwhal]

even simming gear i dont have before lul

[undone cairn]

Raid tier when

[arctic isle]

imagine talking shit about traits u have n oclue about

yikes

those traits are supposed to be bis at max stacks

because they are made to buff u instead of nerf the raid

[fiery cradle]

i know how they work

i stand by my statment

[arctic isle]

no u dont

[fiery cradle]

statement*

[undone cairn]

They don't buff me if I never find those traits to begin with feelsbadman

[fiery cradle]

by 10 stacks there'll be no point to run anything else until next raid tier when we have another deprogression and reddit complains more

[undone cairn]

Why can't they just let us have all the azerite traits ez clap

[arctic isle]

its almost like u evner read anything by blizzard and just post ur feelz

[potent rune]

does archive of the titan only work in uldir? does it work in mythic+ runs?

[fiery cradle]

blizzards words are devalued

[vapid fiber]

SS i garbage now right?

[undone cairn]

The reorigination array does not apply in mythic+

[violet sail]

Do you Gar / Rup / Gar even if you have no combo points before the fight?

[vapid fiber]

at least looking at icy veins

[proper igloo]

ss still doing ok in m+ for me

[undone cairn]

But the main proc does

[proper igloo]

def lost some dps tho

[undone cairn]

@violet sail grg will net you combo points even if you start with 0

[violet sail]

But you will garrote (go to 3 combos) then do you rupture at 3 combos?

[undone cairn]

Yes

[violet sail]

ah ty

[undone cairn]

And you're going to refresh it again

Depending on what talents you run

It's timed differently

[river iris]

So are people still going 3xSS and subterfuge for keys then?

[undone cairn]

Yea

[hard plaza]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2pdGHEaJoZYCGVGLVR4H1D

[undone cairn]

It's not like they completely gutted it

[river iris]

So as they've realised its broken DPS trait, have they bothered to fix the subterfuge bug does anyone know so we can now do 4 garrotes?

[undone cairn]

No

Not fixed

[hard plaza]

1s DD, 1xDnB, 1x SS

[river iris]

WOW, nerf the damage but don't fix the bug

[hard plaza]

lot of variant's in there

[wild zodiac]

still tears I see

[undone cairn]

Eh

[river iris]

Well its ruining gameplay and rewards bad gameplay by not using a 4th garrote

[dapper moat]

this whole expansion have been feeling very lazy

[river iris]

so they lower the damage i get from the trait but dont fix the damage loss from losing a garrote..

[dapper moat]

island expeditions for example

[proper igloo]

assn is still really damn good for m+

[dapper moat]

i though we could get own ships or guild ships and venture to sea and find islands..

[proper igloo]

just not op as fuck now

[arctic isle]

hiisi LOL

[dapper moat]

its just silly instance where u que..

[river iris]

Has anyone run any vast amount of sims now to MA/Subterfuge or is ti still subterfuge SS then for keys and ST?

[arctic isle]

ur playing the wrong game buddy

[dapper moat]

yeah i guess i am

[fiery cradle]

xdd

[onyx wind]

@river iris With exsang / ss go subt

[dapper moat]

the engine do not support new innovations anymiore

[onyx wind]

with tb / SB go MA

[arctic isle]

what would be the point of having ur own ship and going to the island to do the expedition?

this isnt sims

[fiery cradle]

roleplay harder

[proper igloo]

id love to roll around on my own ship

[dapper moat]

well own guild or class ship would be badass place to hang

[river iris]

ahh ok thanks exeo! that for ST and keys then?

[hard plaza]

no it wouldnt

[arctic isle]

lol

[hard plaza]

it would be dull so quickly

[dapper moat]

also maybe some marinetime fights against alliance

[hard plaza]

they wouldnt be able to invest enough content into it

[dapper moat]

well island expewditions cant get anymore dull 😄

got hundreds of guildies and like 2 really plays islands

[arctic isle]

do people actually get together with their guild and sit somewhere to talk?

[dapper moat]

battlefronts are too messed up

so easy to win that u can pretty much just afk the loot

[arctic isle]

do pvp then

[proper igloo]

yeah agreed

its just welfare loot basically

[dapper moat]

yeah!

[proper igloo]

impossible to lose

[arctic isle]

you would cry if the whole place scaled

and u had to always try

[dapper moat]

and from frigging blizz with resources and experience!

i expect way,way more

[pine panther]

Is assa still competitive in m+? It was easily doing better than outlaw or sub until last night for me

[lament dove]

it's the new bad luck protection

[signal salmon]

So nerf didn't kill sin?

[proper igloo]

its only fun when ur trying

[lament dove]

omg, nerf didn't kill a spec, how is that possible!

[proper igloo]

look at marks

have you seen 1 marks hunter

ever in this exp

[hasty sonnet]

yes

[signal salmon]

Ma mate arcane told that it was one of the hardiest nerf for him

[proper igloo]

i havent seen 1

[signal salmon]

Just worrying about sin

[proper igloo]

but assn is still good

[soft island]

SoB is the shuriken toss trait rite?

And poison knife

[tiny vapor]

I saw one Marks hunter and he sucked, but it was the player not the spec

Non

SB is @soft island

[lament dove]

I'm playing sin like since the beginning of time, it was never dead, so I find it hard to beleive this ded spec talk

[harsh raven]

Sin still works like a charm in M+

[kind stump]

SoB = scent of blood

[signal salmon]

Nice to hear

[harsh raven]

Sin is by no means "dead" 😄

[tiny vapor]

But not like an overpowered charm amirite @harsh raven

[paper root]

went from around 14k overall down to 11,5k m+ now, but idk if its that i have to move out from quaking, and fortified means you dont get to restealth as much since packs outlive 1 garrote

but considering getting some other traits and sticking with 1 SS, but idk what would be best for aoe

[kind stump]

Think ss is still best for m+

[harsh raven]

well, I was way ahead of other classes in the runs I did last night. I had 1 x SS and 2 x DD

[paper root]

yeah but i think stacking it isnt good any mroe

[kind stump]

It is

[shy axle]

does raidbots-sim include the weight of the azerit-traits?

[paper root]

because only the dammage stacks and it got nerfed

[kind stump]

No other aoe traits worth going for

[lost horizon]

SoB could be worth if the pack lasts long enough

[royal lantern]

bloodmallet/herodmg updated the trait sims yet?

[tiny vapor]

Like in fortified ?

[kind stump]

Ill give sob a try yeah, not expecting too much

[shy axle]

@harsh raven whats DD?

[tiny vapor]

Double dose

[harsh raven]

Double Dose

[shy axle]

thanks

[harsh raven]

that´s more of a ST trait, though

[stoic pelican]

Am I crazy to think that sin with 3xGarrote trait is still pretty good in M+?

[tiny vapor]

It's good in st

Nah it's still good

[kind stump]

Yes its still good

[harsh raven]

@stoic pelican Nope.It´s still pretty damn good 😃

[tiny vapor]

Not as good in st now

[royal harness]

did garotte bug get fixed ?

[stoic pelican]

Yeah, sadly not that good in ST

[harsh raven]

for ST I would run with 1 x SS and 2 x DD or the other trait I never can get my hands on... 😐

therefore I have forgot its name

[kind stump]

Buff fan of blades!!

[tiny vapor]

Fan of Knives

[paper root]

https://bloodmallet.com/index.html#rogue_assassination?data_view=azerite_traits&type=trait_stacking&tier=3

[tiny vapor]

Or the trait for fok?

[kind stump]

Fan of blades

Yes the trait

[paper root]

SB seems to be the thing for ST now

[tiny vapor]

Would be dope

[paper root]

https://bloodmallet.com/index.html#rogue_assassination?data_view=azerite_traits&fight_style=hecticaddcleave&type=trait_stacking&tier=3

[shy axle]

Are These uldir-traits (Archive+lasermatrix) only good in Uldir or also outside of it in ow/myth+?

[tiny vapor]

Yeah but it's boring af

[paper root]

Blightborne infusion and alot of the generics are best aoe now it seems

[arctic isle]

you will never use sharpened blades in raid

because u need 3 for it to be useful

and uldir traits exist

[hardy dagger]

Uldir traits are

[dire steeple]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mVTG1v8kJpH677Su5RXHvG

What the heckers

[hardy dagger]

Back to toxic blade we go

[astral sundial]

@arctic isle the third stack is not that much better then the second stack

[slender hare]

Master assassin? ☹️

@dire steeple

[dire steeple]

Yes my dude

[slender hare]

Oh my

[dire steeple]

[simple birch]

Where can I see the patch notes from today's patch?

[dire steeple]

I am the master assassin

[shy axle]

"Oh we will nerf the outliers" - Looking at the bloodmallet thats surely achieved

[fair hill]

Nerf them into the ground they did

[hardy dagger]

Great system btw

[royal lantern]

@shy axle the fuck you talking about? ofc a full stacked reorigination will be the best trait in the raid

simply because it gives you 750 in your highest stat

the raid traits are supposed too be the BiS in the raid

[sinful lotus]

On bosses with Adds in Uldir, Zul/Zek etc...what's the rotation without SS?

[lament dove]

that will be 7 weeks from now btw

[arctic isle]

just in time for the people crying to start mythic 😃

[royal lantern]

but no, lets cry about the trait balance cus you take a look at the names without thinking 2seconds wath they do lol

[dire steeple]

[fair hill]

Did u take a look at where SS is now excluding Uldir traits?

Or are you having eyesight problems

[royal lantern]

ss was op as hell

[sinful lotus]

So just Simed and saw that Master Assassin sims higher for me, how does that affect rotation?

[royal lantern]

and its still strong

[hardy dagger]

I would love if they took back wod style tier sets

[fair hill]

Is it?

[royal lantern]

just not the bis for ANYTHING anymore, its good for m+

[dire steeple]

@sinful lotus It means you crit more

[peak sapphire]

[dapper moat]

Any idea why warcraft logs shows that i have about 1k less agility compared to other rogues in the raid? Difference in item level is less than 5 and we all flasked etc.?

[sinful lotus]

@dire steeple So how does that affect Vanish though?

[sage sigil]

for M+ is exangunate still good, in fort weeks ? also, for M+ do you garrote as many as we can then exang or do we try get ruptures up ?

[shy axle]

@royal lantern Don`t know how that could be missunderstood so badly but okay - i asked if that trait will also have value OUTSIDE of the raid, eg. Myth+, or only raid

[hardy dagger]

Anyone know how solid herodmg dungeon sims are?

@dapper moat could be ap buff

Wait nvm that should not affect agi

[dapper moat]

Yeah weird

[fierce ingot]

Anyone wanna do all my simming for me so I'm ready for raid when I'm home from work?

[arctic isle]

yea dude shit ur pants on the awy home too and ill wipe ur ass

[hardy dagger]

My friend had the same issue but then we noticed we did not have a mage in the raid

[fierce ingot]

I think you have taken that more serious than you should have

[fair hill]

Which part, the raid simming or the shit your pants? 😂

[void otter]

hi guys..mind telling me what the optimal opener is with 2xshrouded? is it garr -> rupture -> garr -> muti to 5 ->rupture -> vendetta -> exs ?

[fierce ingot]

🤦🏼‍♂️

[sinful lotus]

Sorry to bother everybody, but with MA how does that affect your Vanish?

[void otter]

3xshrouded*

[wind shore]

The optimal opener is in the guide for sin

Gar rup gar vend mut rup exs

[void otter]

where is this guide you're referrencing?

[subtle tundra]

is ravenholdt guide updated?

[peak sapphire]

[solid nova]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/

[solid nova]

Or in the massive header above the channel

[wind shore]

Doubt its updated with ss nerfs but the rotation doesn't change

[strange python]

so according to herodamage, SS is still considered to be the top damage trait for ST?

[subtle tundra]

im just asking if its updated

but ok

[kind stump]

Updated for what

[subtle tundra]

the nerfs

[strange python]

there was only one nerf and the nerf doesn't change your rotation if you play with SS

[kind stump]

It doesnt change anything

[subtle tundra]

fuck ss

[wind shore]

Its not

[subtle tundra]

only 1 ss for the 2 combo points

[wind shore]

They have a change log

[subtle tundra]

thats how ill play

[wind shore]

Last updated 8th sep

[subtle tundra]

to make my burst smoother

[solid nova]

[modern walrus]

Simulation for ass has been updated

[subtle tundra]

im not talking about simulation 🤦

[onyx wind]

ss is shit ST now

[solid nova]

What is it, that you feel needs to be updated in the guide?

[onyx wind]

almost all other options are better

[sage sigil]

in M+ with exang, and 3xSS do i just want to garrote as many as i can in stelth/subter and then exang or do i want to try get ruptures out also ?

[fair hill]

Of it is

[void otter]

if I have lustrous plumage..the trinket that increases versa on use..do I want to pop it right after I get out of stealth with garrote or later after vendetta? does vendetta actively snapshot if I use the trinket late (kind of answered myself there but just to be sure)

[fair hill]

Ofc

[solid nova]

I'm missing something or you're not being clear 🤷

[modern walrus]

Sharpened blades

Let’s go

[subtle tundra]

everything lmao like the traits

[onyx wind]

2x SB 1x uldir with 231xx21 is sick now

[subtle tundra]

i doubt i should get ss on st

[verbal sorrel]

15.3k sim as 2x laser matrix + 1x SS

still good ?

[manic quartz]

Cries in assasination

[onyx wind]

SS is not good for ST anymore

luckily most fights are aoee

in uldir

[subtle tundra]

STFU

dfsa

]adsf

zx

[onyx wind]

^_^

[subtle tundra]

ok im sorry

[modern walrus]

Hahaha

[kind stump]

??

[subtle tundra]

but yáll dumb

[solid nova]

🤔

[onyx wind]

ok varas

^_^

[strange python]

if you play exsg it's still good according to herodamage

[onyx wind]

So its good

If youre playing with a suboptimal talent set

k thanks baby

[wind shore]

You asked if it's updated and didn't even check the log ^_^

[sinful lotus]

@onyx wind Hey, so you're using Master Assassin? I sims higher for me as well. Do you just Vanish, Garrote then with MA?

[onyx wind]

No

Its uh

opener

g mut r vendetta tb ->enveeenom spam

[brave gyro]

tmw Outlaw sims over 1k lower

[onyx wind]

3 sec left of vendetta

vanish, envenom, tb

[sinful lotus]

ok so kind of like Old Leggo rotation then?

[onyx wind]

Yeah

Except you use it in the end

[sinful lotus]

Ah very cool ok

[kind stump]

Tb

[onyx wind]

of vendetta

[sinful lotus]

yea

[brave gyro]

yeah, with TB you dont refresh Rup

[dire steeple]

tfw 2xSB 1x

[wind shore]

Will you run 1x ss instead of 1x sb for vectis @onyx wind ?

[onyx wind]

I came up with this opener

Dont know if its good

But its working fine

[boreal spoke]

ss still viable for raid?

[onyx wind]

Ill prob switch around traits for diff bosses

Not sure about vectis yet

[lusty narwhal]

seems like a lot of the raid logs have sin up there still

with mixed traits

[sick vine]

IF i play mostly m+ and pvp is outlaw stronger then?

[onyx wind]

Yeah, most traits are viable now

[dire steeple]

@onyx wind You got WA for SB stacks?

[onyx wind]

DD, SB, BI etc

all fine

i do, but im not online atm

[wind shore]

Im outlaw add bitch for most bosses but im trying to see what others will do on vectis

[dire steeple]

unluck

anybody else with WA for SB stacks?

[crimson basin]

380 gcb in weekly chest ❤

[dense blaze]

I'm doing well with 1 archive 2 SS

[wind shore]

Ill talk to you when blizzard decides to give me azerite pieces classic

[onyx wind]

Last week i got 385 with SB

Now i get 385 with SS

Theyre trolling me i think

[sick vine]

Exeo what do u play in m+?

Traits

[onyx wind]

2x ss 1x sb

Because ilvl

I would go 3x ss

[sick vine]

Still strong?

[onyx wind]

It was super op beefore

now its just decent

[hollow cloud]

Im a a blindside boye now

[sick vine]

Oki ill try 3x then

[hollow cloud]

I have no idea why its simming so high for me

[sick vine]

Thanks 👍

[onyx wind]

np

Blindside SB build

What world is this

[hollow cloud]

A great world

[sick vine]

I mean this trait stystem is rly weird

[round ledge]

Tidal surge simming higher than SS?

[hollow cloud]

Im but a execute boye now

[sick vine]

U swap traits/spec twice per week

[round ledge]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8aABNYsZwPJtYfw5T8TgDq

[onyx wind]

Started off by playing sub

Then SS assa

now SB assa

Playstylee changing eaech week

[wind shore]

I started off as infinite sub

Switched to deadshot out

Than nornal oht

Dd sin into ss sin into dd sin again

[sick vine]

Yeah ist 2much

[wind shore]

Crazy world

[onyx wind]

I never go on the outlaw hypetrain

They always to the samee to outlaw

Just nerf it so hard thee first weeks of an expac

[wind shore]

I just did because i had 3x deadshot

[onyx wind]

Same with legion

[wind shore]

But i didn't go meme build train

[round ledge]

yeah I've never been a fan of outlaw

just doesn't appeal to me

[cursive geyser]

Im currently testing 2xDD 1x DitB, lets look how good it is

[sick vine]

Take back combat😃

[shadow pivot]

dd feels really strong in single target rn

[hollow cloud]

idk what traits to go with man

[dire steeple]

FeelyCraft

[hollow cloud]

I have so little to choose from

[wind shore]

Im torn with sb

I hate using blades on melee rotation but i like when traits change playstyle 🤔

[atomic karma]

hmm do i bonus roll on mythic mother for dagger

or wait for vectis and mythrax mythic for azerite

hMMM

[shadow pivot]

dagger so you can make a transmog around it and make every rogues that doesnt clear mm jealous when you slack in zuldazar

obviously

[atomic karma]

is it better to run like 1 laser matrix 1 archive and 1 ss?

is that the most optimal build

[nova gazelle]

Hey guys, I'm really fresh and new to Rogue, I started playing the class now in BFA, stacking traits such as SS was super easy, but now with the tweaks I'm wondering, is stacking DD x3 worth it or is it more worth going 1 SB, 1DD, 1SS? 😛 I only have 340 azerite pieces as well.

[cursive geyser]

maybe i will test something complet diffrent, change the stat weight to Haste/Mastery and test some combinations with Blightborne Infusion

[wind shore]

Laser and archive doesnt stack

The secondary at least

[atomic karma]

cause i legit just got 385 ss shoulders lol

so i should try get 1 of each

[fallow walrus]

I got 385 boots F

Worst stats as well 😛

[vast edge]

rip

[wild zodiac]

least you didn't get an azerite piece with SS on it

[dire sparrow]

Last week I got 385 ring, this week I got the same 385 ring

[wild zodiac]

🤣

[dire sparrow]

great system

<33<3<3

[wild zodiac]

RNG.

[vast edge]

im hoping that maybe next week i can finally get a 385 azerite item

[fallow estuary]

thought the whole mornin weather i'd play sin or sub in tonights raid

[dire sparrow]

idid 60+ mythics this week. My friend did 8 he got 3 more titanforged than me

[wind shore]

Least you didnt get 385 ghuun trinket from hc clear

[vapid fiber]

according to sims I should do better with blightborn infusion, but apparently in game I still do better with SS

[sinful lotus]

Hey guys, do you use TB right after or right before an ENV? And you want to pump 2x Env during TB window?

[dire sparrow]

great system <33<3<3

[umbral comet]

Bois

[fallow estuary]

got 2x azerite pieces which decided for me

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pwxb8AcTvbWHMqcwHPbTor

[wild zodiac]

RNG.

[umbral comet]

I got a 385 with SS this week 😃

FEELSGOODMAN

[fierce ingot]

Does the proc on lazer matrix actually do much in m+ or do we just want it for the buff in raids

[atomic karma]

ss is still good though?

[umbral comet]

NO

[atomic karma]

its still bis on singletarget

[edgy wharf]

40% nerf on ss isnt hurt much?>

[sinful lotus]

@onyx wind do you use TB right after or right before an ENV? And you want to pump 2x Env during TB window?

[wind shore]

Dd is bis on st

Ss is only bis on m+

[atomic karma]

https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/azerite-levels/1t-t22-assassination-exsg

opposite bro

[onyx wind]

I use TB with 5cp or 4cp beefore doing eenvenoms

[edgy wharf]

!dd

[onyx wind]

dd/sb is bis on ST

only go Sb if you have 2x

otheerewise its poo

[royal lantern]

25%crit 18%haste

too much crit

halp

[dire sparrow]

question. If I use this trophy to upgrade my pvp gear, will I keep socket on the item? anyone knows if so @ me

[sinful lotus]

@onyx wind so even if you have 5CP and risk overcapping you still TB then ENV?

[umbral comet]

Why did they overdo the nerfs? They coulda done a fucking 25% nerf or smth instead

[vast edge]

yes

[sinful lotus]

ENV*

[vast edge]

you keep the socket

[modern walrus]

What about 3xsb

[umbral comet]

OR JUST BUFF OTHER TRAITS

[onyx wind]

Yeah you oveercap on purpose

[modern walrus]

Need rotation

[sinful lotus]

ok cool thank you! 😃

[vast edge]

i did that with a dagger.. upgraded it to 370 and it still had the socket

[wild zodiac]

if they buffed other traits better than SS

you'd all still be whining

[edgy wharf]

im not whining. I play sub

[shadow pivot]

if they buffed other traits as good than SS, rogue would be above all classes in every scenarios xd

[fierce ingot]

Riff you spend more time whining about other people whining than anyone else whines

[umbral comet]

Ah yes, i got a 385 azerite piece that sims 100 dmg more than my 340 piece. The system is fucking garbage

[dire steeple]

[umbral comet]

So yes ima fucking whine

[vast edge]

nah.. i like it if they could nerf some traits and buff others.. instead of just making the best one worse

[umbral comet]

and you are going to let me

😃

[wild zodiac]

I see the tears still flowing

[atomic karma]

so you get azerite pieces for raid then in m+ you try use blightborne and coa?

[wild zodiac]

you people should see someone to talk about your feelings about a computer game

just sayin

[atomic karma]

so use raid azerite for raid then swap for m+ to blightborn etc

[brave gyro]

I'm just happy, I got to play all 3 specs in the Raid. I like switching for different fights. Brings me back to HFC Mythic

[novel lake]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wdwrjbYS1h9RC4Y1sQ8987

why doesnt he propose me to change 1 SB to archive ?

[vast edge]

i get the feeling that rareRiff didnt get anything good from the weekly chest today

[novel lake]

archive should be great i guess

or is 2SB 1SS the way to go for single target ?

[wild zodiac]

@vast edge I got an upgrade, I also don't play rogue, so this shit is funny 😃

[zenith trellis]

so wait

ur here to flame people foe being upset

about their class being changed

[wild zodiac]

I haven't flamed anyone

[dire steeple]

Thats so rad Riff 💯 😆

[umbral comet]

Can someone kick this toxic cunt?

[zenith trellis]

when u dont even play?

[vast edge]

@wild zodiac gz man 😃

[umbral comet]

lul :3

[wild zodiac]

I mean calling someone a cunt is pretty toxic

maybe we should kick you too?

[umbral comet]

I called u toxic too

[spice nymph]

@novel lake did you enable reorigination stacks

[wild zodiac]

I am toxic

[zenith trellis]

idk man that makes you more toxic than anyone here tbh

[wild zodiac]

everyone already knows that

[zenith trellis]

cuz ur just doin out of spit

[umbral comet]

:V

[zenith trellis]

it' spite*

[vast edge]

nothing wrong with some banter

[long portal]

I wish I was cool enough to shit talk on class discords :/

[novel lake]

@spice nymph where can I do that? Can't fiind it ^^

[wild zodiac]

@long portal just bring up the SS nerf

[tight meteor]

new frogs who dont know riff.tf :/

[wild zodiac]

hey toma friend ❤

[hasty sparrow]

guys, i'm guessing its true SS is still worth if you run exsg?

[tight meteor]

lol hello

[dire steeple]

One sim or

[umbral comet]

Only reason why im toxic about the SS nerf is because i got a fucking 385 SS in my mythic cahce

[spice nymph]

Uhh sim options further down

[long portal]

Did you guys hear about the ss nerf?!

[paper root]

wait

[umbral comet]

and the traits for sub is garbage

[vast edge]

SS is still good in m+ tho

[warm ibex]

so whats the rotation for SB?

[paper root]

til basicly everyone that got a m+ azerite piece get the shoulders with ss?

[thin plinth]

is rerolling to enh worth 😅

[warm ibex]

when do you use poison knife?