#assassination
lone junco
vivid wasp
is synaptic spark capacitor any good?
void pecan
a 390 with socket sims lower than my 355 galecallers
violet lintel
just keep it around to get into things for ilvl lol its what id do
odd sinew
so Shuriken is the way?
severe raven
yeah but the rotation is dogshit and the opening burst sucks
im also not sure how to play it in m+
fiery cradle
is there a way to check reorigination array stacks witout goin in raid
fiery cradle
fr
noble gyro
Should i wait to line up exang with galecallers or just use exang on CD
frigid sleet
both on CD
dawn merlin
in a nutshell, exsang every min as opposed to every 45 secs, I think
signal crag
today is a sad day
dawn merlin
to align it with the trinket
lone junco
@odd sinew idk man. but Ill give it a shot. SS and Knife arent on the same gear so i can swap if needed
wicked comet
depends if the fight is long enough to get an extra exsang right?
zenith cedar
noble gyro
@frigid sleet Ty
azure sinew
nerf garrote trait?
gleaming condor
im simming best now with 1x aott and 2x ss
violet lintel
how does it sim with that combo outside the raid though
small folio
If im using crimson tempest, and exan, am I still trying to apply rupture to as many ads as i can?
frigid sleet
rupture elites that will live
fallen ginkgo
For Fortified would it be better to use Crimson Tempest or Poison Bomb?
strange python
how does master assassin work well with double dose
arctic isle
who said that
frigid sleet
how much does that sim for
daring cave
when running TB is opener still ggg>r or grg?
arctic isle
knife is phys no need to tb
lone junco
its master assasin so it crits the TB and the knife
arctic isle
ye after knife
versed apex
So should I try to be using as few abilities as possible without capping any resources until I cast TB?
lone junco
refresh rupture prior. then TB and env spam during tb. if you can.
red fiber
Why is Vanish casted nearly right off the bat on the opener?
lone junco
aim for 2 env.
red fiber
Oh wait, no SS you said.
lone junco
yeah. diff spec
tender fulcrum
whats the ideal strat for zul as sin like what do i need to do off pull and try to focus on
?
red fiber
I've 1x SB and can either go for 1xSS or 1xDD. Not sure what to choose.
lone junco
if you are ss. open with g g g
red fiber
Also, I need a head replacement. All it's got is Fan of Knvies lmao
arctic isle
ideal strat for zul is to respec sub
tender fulcrum
i have 1 ss and id like to try it sin lol
violet lintel
just roll one spec throughout all of wow, how i role
arctic isle
sounds like fun dude
crisp lava
looks like archive is the new bae
arctic isle
people seem to not realize what the uldir traits purpose was
crisp lava
no idea
red fiber
Mmm.
arctic isle
its to nerf the raid without nerfing the bosses
red fiber
Dianabol.
crisp lava
just looking at herodamage. Im a simple boy
red fiber
That sweet 4 weeks quickstart, lol.
arctic isle
so ofc they will be bis at 10 weeks
manic nexus
to get 1 piece and then wish none of the rest wasted a slot on it
arctic isle
dbol is gross dude
red fiber
Lol
arctic isle
sdrol
undone cairn
rip
wheat flame
how big of cuts are people seeing on M+ today?
undone cairn
yeah
karmic forum
did they fix SS bug?
torpid jackal
no fixes, only nerfs
severe niche
prob wont ever be fixed tbh
undone cairn
twist the knife/bits
stiff geode
I never got a chance to see SS in action, except for lower levels. Never could find SS on my gears
undone cairn
stiff geode
So I'm use to playing without it o.o
strange python
whats spec are people simming highest with now
ss will still be decent in m+
what would be better for M+? 2x DD 1 SS with TB / PB or 2x SS 1 DD with sang / CT
won't DD be trash in m+?
i don't want to sit through 500+ sim queues and that's a hard thing to sim for m+
strange python
you right but i wanted to see if anyone else had a similar setup and could vouch
velvet magnet
3$ raidbots sub, money well spent
violet lintel
i gues if you use it regularly lol
strange python
not like i'm paying money to play wow
severe niche
when ss nerf hits you so hard toxic blade becomes bis again https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mPbxgVUeZ3ahadvFGY9L8h Feelsbadman
strange python
which trait is SoB
severe niche
oh
crisp lava
scent of blood
severe niche
i had ct
random pollen
I hope its 2ss 1 sob. I have all 370+ for that set up lol
severe niche
false alarm
strange python
@severe niche which traits?
stiff geode
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kXkf4ab57cTRdwD1sQRY9S
Any room for improvement? Need advice and tips
random pollen
I feel like this rogue nerf is like a stock market crash and everyone is asking what to do with their stocks lmao
severe niche
link a log
not a sim
@stiff geode
sim tells us nothing about your rotation or mistakes
stiff geode
Not sure how or where to do a log
final stone
so there isnt a sb shoulder item
severe niche
strange python
how do you guys like to sim for m+
slate gazelle
high m+ -- poison bomb or crimson tempest this week?
short scarab
With the nerfing going on left an right atleast i try some diffrent things
violet lintel
i dont use logs or sims most times either, more fun to just play the game
strange python
4 mobs 20 seconds?
@violet lintel if you enjoy doing bad dps then that's the way to go
blissful dove
scent is nice
vapid flint
So whats everyones opinion, mine is they might have hit SS alittle to hard i think a 20% nerf would have been enough
stiff geode
Guess I got to login?
strange python
scent is prob decent in m+
hybrid cobalt
I'm sure this has been asked a bazillion times at this point, but I don't see a pin. Do we refresh garrote and rupture, even outside the pandemic window, before using exsang?
strange python
yes
blissful dove
think about what exsang does
strange python
you wanna refresh bleeds before exsang
i've flatlined many bleeds by using them below 50% each
thick jacinth
final stone
is there a way in raidbots to change the azerite trait in an item
blazing cobalt
I imagine CT is still gonna be top for m+ this week
hybrid cobalt
@final stone you just click the trait you want
lone junco
anyone used SB in raid yet?
how long would you hold it for a vendetta or vendetta vanish MA ?
well. id hold the knife for the vendetta then.
midnight flower
TB sim higher for a lot of people they just never ran it in raidbots lul
Especially people without x3 ss
lone junco
3x ss was neat with exang but it was super low pressure between the vanishes.
midnight flower
Lot of people just follow the heard
alpine pilot
is it more dmg to use Fan of knives as the primary CP generator on 2target?
severe niche
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iGUXsk7nZZGKoD3ubpFcDz when exsang still sim higher 😄
alpine pilot
i feel like its more energy efficient than using mut
peak sapphire
Guide says mut on 2 target
alpine pilot
yes i know
strange python
how many ss are you running @severe niche
alpine pilot
but im asking if anyone has tried Fan, cus i feel like its more energy efficient for the dmg ;o
severe niche
1
unkempt escarp
Can anyone tell me the difference between Archive of the Titans 0, +5 and +10 ?
severe niche
thats the number of stacks
unkempt escarp
Isnt there just one Archive of the titans?
severe niche
in raid
azure drift
so how big of a nerf was it?
alpine pilot
Fan doesnt apply deadly poison?
severe niche
reorg array
blissful dove
it does, but mut does it better
strange python
ye it does
unkempt escarp
Should i still go Archive of titans even tho im not raiding uldir as much as i wish i did? Cuz i have 3 pieces with it in the Tier 3 circle.
alpine pilot
okay thanks
unkempt escarp
^
strange python
i guess it's still good
red fiber
The point of using Fan as a CP generator is due to crits generating extra.
split grail
Okay, any chance someone is willing to @ me with the best azerite gear now. Or do I need to go through every piece and compare traits
red fiber
ST I've been reading 2x SB 1xDD
blissful dove
@red fiber yeah but we were talking 2 targets, it's not super efficient at 2
red fiber
Oh, nevermind then. My bad Moth, sorry.
tired helm
have the garrote nerfs gone through yet?
blissful dove
All good man, I was still fanning on two because i figured the cp were worth more than the damage, but after thinking about it I'm pretty sure deadly procs are worth it at 2
and still possibly getting bonus cp
at the same rate on 2
feral imp
with sharpened blades the only change is using poisened knife at max stacks?
velvet magnet
does the raidbots sim assume you're in Uldir for Array? Or no?
chilly obsidian
What traits were you running?
chilly obsidian
Ok wait tol dagor
strange python
@sacred seal is that cannon blast damage or what
chilly obsidian
You were in a cannon lmfao
frigid sleet
yikes
cobalt flame
👌
silver lake
Also u simmed patchwerk?
strange python
how much canno dmg is that
fathom echo
so what are people taking now SB or DD
arctic isle
no sims are accurate for m+
plain spruce
simcraft isnt updated yet?
sacred zenith
^
raven bloom
is SS stil lBis ?
unkempt escarp
no clue..
chilly obsidian
Go check hero damage or bloodmallet
spiral jolt
What are our highest simming traits now?
fathom echo
using poison knife in rotation 😴
raven bloom
i dont know how to read al lthat crap so im not opening it
round harbor
cloud spindle
??? You don't know how to read a fucking bar graph?
west frost
Lmao I can't read just spoonfeed me the info
raven bloom
shall i rephrase for you i can read it but understanding it
cloud spindle
🤔
west frost
If it's an English problem I apologise
delicate root
but I bet you can read damage meters eh? 
lusty narwhal
Sim your gear for best traits, not everyone will be able to get 3x sb
raven bloom
and no i am a handicap learner, and i actually have trouble comprehending nad understanding what i read
void pecan
Y'all are some mean fucks.
fathom echo
cloud spindle
Sim it, but perhaps.
daring cave
Whats the TB rotation?
fathom echo
SS is shit now according to blood mallet
north terrace
@strange python gonna have to sim yourself... I can't even get to a point where 2xSB is worth more than 2xSS for me
Probably because I have 355 fetid chest with SS so... I dunno
strange python
what does it mean on blood mallet when it says archive of the titans +10? wtf is +10?
void pecan
Stacks of buff
violet lintel
only matters in the raid
fathom echo
+5 and +10 indicate that the Reorigination Array is active with 5 or 10 stacks. Read more about that here.
literally says on the front page
violet lintel
so is AotT w/2 SS good enough or just stay 3 SS lol
Dont really care to farm az again myself lol
strange python
im simming 3k higher by rerolling to DH
arctic isle
farm ap gear 🤔
strange python
@north terrace is what I get for switching 2 SS for SB. Why does BloodMallet and Hero Damage rate SS so low then?
wraith mesa
sup all
raven bloom
hi ken!
daring cave
Is TB simming higher for anyone else?
wraith mesa
so what's new about the SS and others traits
plush bronze
What is so low to you? In a vacuum, there's a 300 dps difference between the two.
strange python
idk im staying 3/3 ss I aint slaving away and farming more azurite again. FUUCCKKK that
red fiber
@daring cave Yes, for quite a few peeps.
daring cave
ah
wraith mesa
wuts the best trait now
daring cave
sad days
strange python
took me 3 weeks ot get 3/3 ss jsut to get nerfed to shit 4 days later. fuccckkk that
arctic isle
doing 1 dungeon is now farming 🤔
wraith mesa
lol princess
plain spruce
do you guy's judge trait chart's by the max or median of the bar?
🤔
violet lintel
farming because rng
strange python
^
arctic isle
i guess we all farm our m+ box when we open it cause rng 🤔
wraith mesa
lol
violet lintel
im talking m0s lol
wraith mesa
any website updated for the best traits after nerf ?
strange python
I guess doing something over and over again = NOT farming to some people? 🤔
arctic isle
how can u do a weekly lockout over and over 🤔
strange python
every week you do it over again if you did not recieve it last week is it not like that for some people? 🤔
short scarab
i hope they add azerit pieces to the m+ loot
arctic isle
TIL farming = doing something once a week 🤔
strange python
Is there another way to get Azurite pieces more then once a week? 🤔
arctic isle
what do you call doing m+ dungeons over and over 🤔
wraith mesa
well, i guess i'll w8 for an answer xD thx anyway guys
strange python
Sorry I didnt know you could get certain azurites more than once per week 🤔
arctic isle
we were discussing what farming means 🤔
strange python
farming is the concept of doing the same thing over and over again regardless of time
short scarab
it kinda depends on the context, if you farm a raid for gear, yes i only do that once a week
strange python
like farming ashes of alar on a weekly lock out
violet lintel
its also the definition of insanity 😄
strange python
so youa re saying because its 1 week lock out means its not farming?
its still repetitive
strange python
Yes It took me over 3 weeks to get the right azurite pieces for it to be enrfed 4 days after completing it.
THAT is cancer
violet lintel
^ ya same boat
strange python
entitled?
violet lintel
just got fluid machination helm from my m+ chest, 355
strange python
i got 385 dagger 😮
steel jetty
maintain CT on ST or no?
frigid sleet
no
strange python
and a 395 dagger from pvp chest
arctic isle
i spent 4 hours over the span of 3 weeks how dare u nerf the trait 😡
strange python
4 hours?
arctic isle
ok 2 hours
strange python
what a joke lol
short scarab
lol whats the problem with you ?
wraith mesa
is it me or the SS traits still not to bad atm ?
steel jetty
TFW have full cleared heroic and normal every week, and still rocking 340 shoulders
azerite system is a fucking joke
arctic isle
i enjoy 370+ pieces not being upgrades, keep that ss trait op so i use 340 all the way until next expansion 😡
frigid sleet
ofc its not bad
strange python
I dont think SS is terrible but its def not best anymore.
marsh elm
Im still getting 370 az pieces that arent upgrades sigh
granite berry
Is bloodmallet updated? I was skimming here some at work and I saw someone say it wasn't yet
steel jetty
it is now
granite berry
but that was hours agio
strange python
Somebody is mad that blizzard cant tune azurites properly
steel jetty
you can tell cause ss is mid tier
granite berry
whats the +5 or +10 for the uldir pieces? having it stacked that much?
arctic isle
5 weeks
steel jetty
how many buffs
arctic isle
or 10 weks
steel jetty
from how many weeks basically
granite berry
oh tru
steel jetty
every week you get more of your secondary stat
wraith mesa
so archive is the best atm :/
arctic isle
are we at week 10
frigid sleet
🤔
granite berry
well on the bright side of sharpened blades being pretty much the go-to for m+ pieces, i can use it for sub too :^)
barren marsh
Yeah
granite berry
just not pvp
violet lintel
isnt reorigination based on your own boss kills per week though? not everyone at once?
silent plinth
still feel like ss is the way to go
granite berry
numbers say different
candid wraith
What traits should we be after now? Sharpened blades?
marsh elm
Is sb the throwing knife trait?
candid wraith
ye
strange python
ye
barren marsh
I think SS is still okay at best, it really needed to be tuned.
candid wraith
its dumb af
wraith mesa
well, on bloodmallet it say ARchive of the titans is the best
short scarab
is the garrot bug still around ?
silent plinth
im running archive x2 ss atm
plush bronze
Are there any updated sims? Trying to see how we compare to sub and outlaw these days.
marsh elm
Yuck even worse for rotation than ss
vital crater
Feels as I don’t have those traits. Still rockin 340 weapons lol
wraith mesa
bbw, how you feel it wit AoT and SS ?
vital crater
Hope they give refund on the reforging we had to do
short scarab
good luck with that
limpid sail
hello guys
barren marsh
But that’s logical and you know blizz doesn’t partake in those practices
silent plinth
i only did some minor tests on dummies but im not sure how u dont reset vanishing
limpid sail
i have a Question abouth rotation and cd usage
ember ermine
@vital crater they will give a refund. right when everyone who couldnt play the xpac the first 3 days complained for compensation lol
limpid sail
- is Toxic knife better or worse than exsanguinate
- what is the best time to refresh rupture
frigid sleet
vital crater
I’m broke as it is on flasks lol.
manic nexus
is there a different opener for master assassin & toxic blade? Feel like I should be combo'ing the toxic blade with the 50% crit chance when possible
strange python
Oh shit floki with that pic and me with bjorns pic
frail gate
Tb sims way higher for me now but it feels so weird playing with no shrouded suf
limpid sail
@strange python we basicly family ❤
wraith mesa
I'm so fucking lost with the Traits atm 😢
strange python
Vikings>GoT
strange python
Tb opener isn’t different with MA and you use it on cd during rotation @manic nexus
sterile echo
Assassin lookin like its doing alright still?
arctic isle
its dead
limpid sail
assassination is god tier atm mate
arctic isle
everyone talking in here is on the bench
dusk quartz
Question, when Im at 3 cp and tb is up, is it worth casting tb to get 4 or 5, or is it better to mutilate for 5 then cast tb and waste a cp?
frigid sleet
use tb
dusk quartz
Mmk
strange python
na i just raid weekends rip
pastel jackal
currently i have 3 SS with galecallers boon. should i still be using tb? im trying to get new azerite gear but still
manic nexus
opener for TB says garrote, mut, rupture, ven, mut, toxic blade. with MA i see no reason you wouldn't vanish here
am i wrong?
limpid sail
so basicly u dot stack up to 5 So basicly what ur saying is open with a 4 cp rup than go for a 5 or ? @frigid sleet
frigid sleet
wut ?
limpid sail
well when i open i do this garrotte garrotte and over cap 1cp i rup into tb into mutelate into encvenom
btw i have i garrotte trait
so 3 cp
nimble tinsel
SS opener is gar > rup > gar > ven > TB > env
limpid sail
so a 3 cp rup for real
frigid sleet
strange python
not using any SS gear anymore is a feelsbad, but double dose is ok i guess
nimble tinsel
It's literally in the pinned guide
north terrace
why does it matter if it's a 3cp rupture?
nimble tinsel
So yes, for real
north terrace
lol
You want to get rupture up asap... doing it on second GCD accomplishes that pretty well with no CP waste at the opener..
strange python
rup damage isnt based on CPs, i hope you know that
nimble tinsel
Yep. And 3cp is plenty long enough to finish the opener and comfortably get back to 4-5 CP for a proper pandemic refresh to max duration
bright sand
got 93% on mother with 2 SS
limpid sail
im still new to rogue
limpid sail
^^
strange python
dont you just love the first few weeks of an expansion, running around like headless chickens trying top optimise gear
limpid sail
ikr
pastel jackal
yeah no kidding
limpid sail
but thnx alot for the help guys
stray fox
Is stacking reorigination array worth it?
strange python
Lol
brazen sky
thats stacked traits sims
north terrace
who is ready for the SB nerf next week?
Pretty sure blizz is just going to bloodmallet or herodamage, picking everyone's top trait and nerfing it
nimble tinsel
I mean honestly not that much has changed. SB was number 2 and is now number 1 outside of the raid traits, which once we got deeper into the teir were always going to be best with at least 1 anyway. So now it's pretty much just get 1 of AotT, and 2 SB instead of 2 SS for most general purposes.
north terrace
SB top for 2 specs of rogue now
brazen sky
to be fair
SS is still really good in dungeons after nerf
it was just absolutely broken
north terrace
It was probably a bit strong. Didn't need a 40% nerf though lol
limpid sail
blizz and there ninja nerfing
north terrace
inb4 55% SB nerf next week
nimble tinsel
Once they fix the bug (assuming that happens at all) SS will still probably be top dog for M+
pastel jackal
yeah 40% seemed excessive
short scarab
atleast they could fix the garrot bug before they nerf ss
pastel jackal
seriously
strange python
raidbots detects how many archive stacks you have right?
brazen sky
guess you gotta run 14 azerite armor combos in your bags as a rogue 
onyx falcon
they didnt fix the garrote bug the first time they nerfed it =.=
strange python
I'm a noob rogue any good advice for M+
brazen sky
learn the skips
north terrace
@strange python you mean reorg array stacks? archive stacks naturally over the fight
strange python
I think we need a 40 slot Azerite Gear bag like Profession bags
north terrace
For reorg array you put in how many stacks you have
brazen sky
B)
onyx falcon
distract is a thing
half mortar
Use shroud to get past annoying trash
strange python
my bad i was thinking of the wrong trait
kind dock
Frenetic still terribad?
half mortar
Blind and sap targets to make pulls easier
strange python
p sure all the uldir trinkets are hot garbage
brazen sky
be sub
save a shadow dance for infected
cheap shot both ghuuns
happy team
kind dock
Feels bad.. Got 2 trinkets tonight
bright sand
only need one array gar right?
strange python
at heroic ilvl, dice and galecallers are bis
bright sand
doesnt stack?
brazen sky
member legion first raid trinkets being really good? i member
half mortar
My fathoms is still simming higher then all my others trinkets it’s starting to trigger me
strange python
never forget Ursoc trinket
brazen sky
bro i got a 925 bloodthirsty instinct on nighthold release on a random mythic pug
used it up to and including tomb
lmao
bright sand
we had to pug one dps for mythic ursoc and he won the fin roll over me
lusty narwhal
All these traits are so much higher than Ss but 2x SB is only 25 damage higher than 2x SS for me
What a meme
arctic crow
Youre changing talents right for SB
lusty narwhal
Yeah lol
strange python
in the end we wll just be stacking raid traits
lusty narwhal
I have a 370 heroic chest with laser dont think it has SB
half mortar
And I just got 3x SB for sub feels sin man
lusty narwhal
Its bis for both
edgy monolith
is double dose simming higher than SB for anyone else?
bright sand
raid traits dont stack tho do they?>'
plain thistle
every trait stack
bright sand
dude in my raid raid he has 2 raid ones and they not givning him more main stats
idk how it works i dont have any yet
manic nexus
orig array doesnt stack but the main part does im pretty sure
drowsy crag
what's best for sin, heed my call or overwhelming power? It says overwhelming power is under heed my call but that haste is looking super attractive rn
manic nexus
also, how many envenoms do you fit into a TB? always try for 3?
strange python
the secondary stat part is the part that stacks
plain thistle
2-3
wanton forum
Does anyone happen to know what % of mastery is needed for master poisoner to do more than elaborate planning?
marsh elm
should i run x2 ss and archive?
plain thistle
you should run what sims the best for you
delicate crater
for 3x SB build just switch Subterfuge to Nightstalker?
marsh elm
im just wondering because i dont wanna pay for reforges if i dont have to
strange python
small folio
would 2 sharpened blades, and one SS work well, using sharpened blade as a replacement for a mutilate at around 30 stacks?
radiant fossil
Hey guys, does shadowmeld works for buffed garrot with subterfuge ?
lusty narwhal
No
plush bronze
What WAs should I be using?
frigid sleet
everyone of these
quaint rune
everyone still using 3/3 SS?
wintry parcel
For M+ I believe 3/3 SS is still BiS
sudden trench
@plush bronze these
frigid sleet
looks like its missing the button for hyperspeed
quaint sequoia
!wa
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strange python
i dont get how people can use Sloots UI (style), its so chunky and overly intrusive. But thats just me
misty remnant
same
lusty narwhal
Imagine having to raid as sub and m+ as sin and having to pay double the cost each time to reforge gear
Or spend days/weeks getting another slot piece lul
proper igloo
Assn will get nerfed again and Dh and warrior will get buff
lusty narwhal
Why would sin get nerfed again lol
gleaming parcel
the nerf to SS feels so bad in raid
frigid sleet
take that back 
visual token
Tbh I barely notice it
strange python
tfw garrote drops to like 5th overall dmg done on ST and melee autos are back on top 
is double dose the go to now?
lusty narwhal
Sb or dd yes
civic palm
SB if you have 3, it's shit otherwise.
steep obsidian
they havevnt fixed the ss bug right? just nerfed the damage
civic palm
SS is still bugged
soft steppe
is that for only raid, or for m+ as well?
steep obsidian
would be nice if they fixed the bug
lusty narwhal
I think DD might be better for me because i have a 370 laser matrix but just guessing
steep obsidian
at the same time
actually tempted to play sub rn in dungeons a bit triggered i only got to play with ss traits for one day of keys before it got nerfed 😛
hollow stone
Sin still strong in raid
strange python
I just want to get off the rollercoaster already, let us settle in to a spec/azerite load out.
gleaming parcel
Azerite system is crap
steep obsidian
i havent deleted a single 340 azurite piece all expac
steep obsidian
it is a bit better then relics at least
strange python
yeah my bags are full of Azerite gear lol
steep obsidian
you can swap in and out rather then fkn destroying them
hollow stone
The system is fine. It's farming them and blizz still in beta w traits
lofty fiber
i'm looking for some advice if someone has a second to help me
hollow stone
Legos was worse
gleaming parcel
I never said the system wasnt fight, it just doesnt feel like a new expansion
fine*
woeful scaffold
mastery is my prio stat right now lul
strange python
Legos and Artifact weapons were awful at the start of Legion
locked in to a nerfed spec
lofty fiber
if i hit 4 combo points because of a crit, should i drop finishers at 4 instead of mutilating for 5?
woeful scaffold
yes
strange python
yes 4+ is the rotations
gleaming parcel
yes
lofty fiber
and on all finishers?
woeful scaffold
yes
gleaming parcel
^^
lofty fiber
ok thank you
woeful scaffold
always
steep obsidian
i mean maybe there will be some gameplay in changing traits per fight etc
woeful scaffold
SS still fine
steep obsidian
doing so might have been nice in dungeons too like changing between aoe and st spec
yeh just not brokenly op
woeful scaffold
what bug
visual token
I would love the bug to be fixed. Other than that I don’t mind the nerf at all.
tough whale
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
steep obsidian
until your buffed ones expire
tough whale
Im still slamming with garrote
steep obsidian
yeh
little sandal
can i have an assassin bis list pls
tough whale
no
strange python
18% vs 31% thinking
tough whale
31% is relative to the fight length, duration and mechanics 😃
woeful scaffold
@little sandal herodamage or bloodmallet
little sandal
i cant find the gear on herodamage
tough whale
obviously garrote would be higher than 18% if i got my 2nd vanish vendetta exang off.
steep obsidian
i saw it over 40% on tyrannical keys which is a bit dumb
xsang not even simming better for me now /shrug
tough whale
exang and TB even for me, but i still run it on any fight with burn phase in it, cause its better
woeful scaffold
exang feels so much better to me
tough whale
I like the feel of exang
tough whale
actually something to pay attention to
tough whale
You forgot rupture
gleaming parcel
^^
tough whale
Thats not the most optimal opener : )
tough whale
Sim yo self
woeful scaffold
what would u prefer
edgy monolith
just need to know what to hunt down
woeful scaffold
only started using exang so forgot to check that
tough whale
and void storage it
edgy monolith
i do but sadly i only have one piece of SB
prisma monolithBOT
BfA Simulations:
Herodamage: https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html
stone quartz
!sims
kind dock
385 construct overcharger and 370 frenetic tonight for loot feels bad
stone quartz
!sims
prisma monolithBOT
BfA Simulations:
Herodamage: https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html
woeful scaffold
do u think using galecallers is best on pull or after exang?
strange python
befor eexsang
kind dock
Lol it sounds good on paper
woeful scaffold
just b4 exang i mean
strange python
it snapshots
woeful scaffold
ya
strange python
use it when you vendetta before you ,rup,exsang
cedar kelp
ST on sin feels actually horrible
tough whale
1ss 1 DD 1 archive
woeful scaffold
ima try 2 ss 1 archive
tough whale
archive is great
cedar kelp
1 Twisted 1 lazer 1 scent
woeful scaffold
ye i got the chest peice from fetid with it and SS on
tough whale
Thats what im using
strange python
I have 1 archive 1 dagger 1 sob - pity me
cedar kelp
SS does... do you still pick subterfuge no matter what?
tough whale
yes? why wouldnt you
strange python
I use MA since I dropped all my SS but you gotta
forest wharf
2 dd or one ss and one dd? With a Lazer
woeful scaffold
forest wharf
Also run toxic blade with dd now? Or still exang
lethal jungle
forest wharf
I don't have them yet. Which is why I want to know if I should farm them
woeful scaffold
cuz sub is in the shitter lol
strange python
pve sub plays like garbage imo
tough whale
i miss cata sub
faint vault
Does Archive stack?
chilly obsidian
I miss classic sub
glacial ravine
no
wicked abyss
Practiced my RNG and got a 395 dagger off MOTHER
glacial ravine
nooice
lusty narwhal
I miss mop frost dk
woeful scaffold
i miss wod
honest needle
so sims are telling me not to use any ss traits https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dxNhSk9itDRr5nQ4snKcUM is that normal ? whats rotation without ss trait
edgy trellis
are you guys still using 3xSS ?
woeful scaffold
it is but 40% and its STILL top 3 trait behind the 2 other op ones
plush bronze
yeah and it was op as hell
solar bramble
what were the other 2?
woeful scaffold
archive and LM
solar bramble
trying to switch to sin to remove some of the RNG of outlaw
woeful scaffold
and thats only with uldir buff on
edgy trellis
didnt LM get nerf too ?
solar bramble
LM got a slight nerf
solar bramble
SS seems to excell in m+ as well
thin radish
Anyone know if simulation craft updates to align with hotfixes?
solar bramble
when you can abuse stealthing between each pack. and apply 4 of t hem
woeful scaffold
@thin radish yes
plush bronze
Thinking about buying fathoms but worried about a possible nerf. Thoughts?
solar bramble
well now to go finish working on a 2nd dagger. since i can sub with only 1, but can't sin withotu 2
woeful scaffold
i hope my chest gives me a dagger
plush bronze
It sims so much higher than heroic trinkets, and better than a lot of mythic trinkets
woeful scaffold
doubt it tho :^)
solar bramble
ttrinket for the 2nd week in a row for me 😦
woeful scaffold
i wouldnt buy fathoms now
edgy trellis
should i go LM and archive if I have them outside uldir ?
spice surge
If its not too expensive i would
Its gonna last you till you get like 375ish m+ trinkets
solar bramble
i already had fathoms from earlier. add in 370 frentic corpuscle. also a 360 cannonball runner
spice surge
Assuming you can stand in it
plush bronze
Yeh, but that's at 355, and realistically how long is it going to take me to get 355 gale and dice? Yknow?
solar bramble
ya, haste loss severely hurts
woeful scaffold
ive alrdy got 370 gale and 355 dice
spice surge
You need a 375ish dice for it to be better than fathoms
woeful scaffold
😄
spice surge
Is the thing
violet lintel
assuming you wanna buy fathoms...
plush bronze
Which is exactly why I'm afraid of dropping the gold on fathoms. I don't mind spending it, but I don't want it to be wasted and I fear an erf.
solar bramble
fathoms isn't even that pricy
woeful scaffold
still 140k on my server
spice surge
🤷 Depends on how expensive it is vs your total gold
woeful scaffold
fk that
violet lintel
depends on server, still over 140k on mine
solar bramble
i got mine for about 180k earlier. but I was also making a metric ton off of herbs. so it wasn't really an issue
woeful scaffold
idk theres a few other trinkets id rather have than fathoms now that u can farm them in m+
slate dust
Seven on its own was 50k
plush bronze
and i'm still making a lot off herbs and ench mats
slate dust
With whole deck being 80k lel
fluid scarab
think we can see uldir trinkets buffed anytime soon? :/
slate dust
I've only got 2 ss pieces so far
violet lintel
ive just never bought gear , just settle with what i get till get something better
slate dust
To change from outlaw or not to is the question
solar bramble
i keep a 2nd set of azerite armor around with tripple resounding. just for when i go herb farming lol
i'm changing from outlaw. if for the simple fact, that it reduces the rng
it gets really frustrating when you get 3 rolls of bad buffs in a row lol.
slate dust
Don't like snek build. And deadshot isn't performing very well... So looking sin now
solar bramble
i'd go sub, but i can't seem to figure out subs AoE well. no matter how hard i try
violet lintel
ive gotten nothing from world bosses since they dropped even from their bonus rolls , feelsbad
solar bramble
have it's ST down pat lol
lusty narwhal
Use sectec
steep obsidian
press shuriken storm press finisher
solar bramble
oh that reminds me. gotta do them on my rogue now lol
steep obsidian
sub aoe hard
slate dust
Sectec?
lusty narwhal
Doing it in dance and shit?
solar bramble
i won't use secret technique. since it severely diminishes my mid dance
you use secret in dance ya
you use it when it's up. onlly exception is if you plan to AoE soon
since it's dmg is higher than evis
solar bramble
i guess, i could always get used to the secret technique and dark shadow setup lol
fringe zodiac
w8 its possible to get off 4 ss?
solar bramble
m+ trash AoE
lusty narwhal
Yes
fringe zodiac
i thought 3 is max
solar bramble
i tend to open up with a shadowstrike before spamming shurriken storm though. since my objective is to nuke down one specific target
the armor pen does that well
fluid scarab
its max because of the "bug" of refreshing it withtou stealth buff
if u do 4 u will nerf the SS empowered garrotes
fringe zodiac
so its best to use 3?
fluid scarab
the 4th without stealth buff*
grim sail
Was that fixed now though? Any US guys tested?
solar bramble
oh, you can only do 3 garrotes with it?
fluid scarab
i havent seen fix :p but could be
honest needle
so whats rotation without ss traits sims tell me not to use any ss traits
plush bronze
Pretty sure I heard it was still bugged
solar bramble
does the 4th nerf the dmg of the other 3? or do the other 3 stay max but the 4th is lower
clever mural
Is it sin channel of subt?
solar bramble
sin channel. but sub was slightly brought up by myself
not in direct question though. more in comparison
slate dust
fringe zodiac
clever mural
Can you give some tips about aoe in m+. Exsang and crimson tempest tallents
mint oar
should i put shrouded in the chest or should i use the uldir thing?
id reccomend poison bomb
slate dust
Can we out dps an arc mage on a boss?
mint oar
@fluid scarab
slate dust
Not a shit one
mint oar
like i literally linked a sim
solar bramble
don't ensanguinate for AoE unless you really really need a specific target dead
fluid scarab
no i just couldnt help myself
solar bramble
and toxic blade accomplishes that as well
mint oar
also poison bomb is fun
vocal harbor
simulationcraft isn't updated right?
solar bramble
in AoE poison bomb is great. since you get alot more finishers off to proc it
clever mural
poison bomb random asf
solar bramble
CT is more reliable certainly
tough whale
CT is more damage.
solar bramble
just less dmg on bosses
cerulean anchor
is archive of the titans gear still bis outside of raid
opal mason
@cold meteor is that 2x dd and 1x ss?
cerulean anchor
i just got all three pieces lmaol
clever mural
Not about aoe but should i use CT in st in some circumstances?
solar bramble
zek'voz, zul come to mind
spiral river
hi guys how im using raidbots to sim, is there somewhere i can see what rotation they use in the sim?
clever mural
No i mean pure single target. Maybe burst phase like first boss in siege of boralus, or first in MOTHERLODE
strange python
Zekvoz is a good once for CT, but NEVER ST
solar bramble
if your in something like boralus or motherload. you're tanking tempest for the trash more than the boss
strange python
using CT on a pure ST fight is never a good choice
cold meteor
370 SS chest
355 Uldir shit shoulder
340 DD head
solar bramble
extra dmg on trash translates to far more speed than extra dmg on a boss (except maybe tyrannical)
mint oar
ok, ty
gleaming stratus
So is stacking a perk still Ideal here or is it 1 SS and x2 SB?
strange python
whatever dmg it does is eclipsed by the same CP envenom
mint oar
dd good for head? @cold meteor
solar bramble
1/2 the time i prefer using cd's on trash, even if it's jsut before the boss. unless we'll require burst to skip something
get more value out of the cd
plush bronze
sim yo self
cold meteor
That's what sims the highest for me
plush bronze
Also SS will still have a ton of value in m+. Depends on the content you're doing
gleaming stratus
yeah i guess
solar bramble
m+ can abuse the fck out of ss. since you get the restealth between literally every pack
gleaming stratus
truth
solar bramble
where bosses you get 1 . . . . maybe 2 depending on figh ttime
cold meteor
Ye I will 100% keep 3SS for M+, even in tyra
clever mural
@solar bramble as long as you don't have savage tank who chain pull everything
honest needle
does any 1 kno rotation without using ss trait
sims telling me not to use ss so whats rotation without it
tough whale
Its in the guide
clever mural
or stupid partymate who bodypul;l everything
solar bramble
unfortunately i only have 1 ss on a 340 piece 😦
honest needle
@solar bramble ss got nerfed anyway
solar bramble
i mean for m+ not raiding
plush bronze
it's still very good.
solar bramble
i spend most my time in m+ on sin. for raids i'm generally on sub
honest needle
even for m+ i have other traits simming higher then ss
tough whale
Its like deadshot, just cause it got nerfed it's not trash
cold meteor
@solar bramble PvP reward give SS chest
plush bronze
it was out of line OP, now it's just really good
cold meteor
Rip
honest needle
archive is best now right
unique axle
@day there is a guide in the pins
solar bramble
how's scent of blood atm?
honest needle
@unique axle the raven guids ?
tough whale
trash
honest needle
guides
quaint hawk
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dvFsTzYc2eyTJeCC4xsogx the exsang dream is still alive boys
clever mural
Just to know that i'm doing right in m+. From pull a use garotte 3-4 times then spam CT, right?
strange python
it middleish now, 40% was too much, they should have ramped up, not shotgunned it
fathom echo
is the difference between 3 x SB and 3 x DD 264 dps
unique axle
@day, yes
strange python
but whats done is done
tough whale
15.6 sim, exang is always alive
solar bramble
so double dose is also a viable option atm.
plush bronze
Uh. Idk. It's still -probably- the top or one of the top 2 or 3 m+ traits and still very strong ST.
solar bramble
mostly ST though
cerulean anchor
what is "a lot" of haste %wish
plush bronze
40% was fair
cerulean anchor
wise*
cold meteor
@quaint hawk how many haste do you have ?
strange python
it is not strong ST anymore, several generic azerite traits eclipse it now
fathom echo
is it worth taking posion build with 3x DD now
sweet rampart
is warcraft logs updated with the 1 day section to see how each spec performed? Or should I wait till tomorrow to check that out
strange python
id give it a day or two
cold meteor
Interesting to see with that high haste it continue to be your best stat
solar bramble
i don't think generic traits outside the uldir 2, should EVER outperform class specific traits. . . . . for any class
strange python
for m+ i agree its still very strong
solar bramble
key word being "should"
cold meteor
For me haste become behind agility when i break 17/18%
lilac coral
beat outlaws on zul, think i have arthritis, though
fiery bear
why does herodamage show blightbrone infusion as best trait?
right after the uldir traits
stuck shuttle
for M+ only
sweet rampart
sub showing about a 600 dps increase after the sin nerf. Hmmm
stuck shuttle
because they dont consider stealth between packs
M+ rankings go off chain pulling
no stealthing in between
so SS is lower
and all the stat stacking traits are #1
stuck shuttle
just how the APL is setup
fiery bear
?
stuck shuttle
they can't pause to stealth in between
yes it is
keeps us competitive in ST and MT
for M+
and the Uldir traits are kind of suck outside of raid
fiery bear
great any NA rogue tested it? how big is the diff on high level keys?
magic thorn
Could you change the apl to have vanish on a 1min or 30s cd? So it could be considered ?
fiery bear
yeah without the stat buff its kinda useless
strange python
we reallky need better methods of getting high ilvl azerite gear if they gonna keep flip flopping like this
fiery bear
Also sharpened blades is top damage on bloodmallet while 9th on herodamage(excluding uldir traits of course) whats happening there?
stuck shuttle
SS nerf wasnt too bad
violet lintel
just make a trait reroller similar to the stat rerollers.
stuck shuttle
the APLs could just be different @fiery bear
herodamage is managed by the people who manage RH
so for rogues, I would trust herodamage more
fiery bear
ahh ok
spring prawn
What traits do you want for Arena as sin? 2v2?
spring prawn
thanks
fiery bear
thanks for letting meknow i was looking at bloodmallet more
sweet rampart
what traits are you using hecktix?
strange python
also are you looking at stacks or ilvl for SB
strange python
cos 3 stacks is bis but per ilvl its lower
stuck shuttle
1xLM 2xSS for M+
sweet rampart
really you finding having that 1 DD really a lot more?
violet lintel
so just stay 3 ss if dont have LM? what about archive?
stuck shuttle
@sweet rampart atleast for M+ yes
stuck shuttle
archive should be BiS now
copper socket
fbm
stuck shuttle
atleast 1 stack
violet lintel
for M+ even?
stuck shuttle
no
sweet rampart
So best case scenario we get 1 archive, 1 LM and one SS?
sweet rampart
right
stuck shuttle
not bad out of raid
violet lintel
i dont really raid , just have archive from heroic chest from mythic 4/4 event lol
stuck shuttle
but not the best
fiery bear
so 3X archive for raids ?
hasty sonnet
What's the call bois, I just got off work.
stuck shuttle
not 3x archive.
bis for raid is probably something like 1xArchive 1xSS 1xDD if you can manage that
fiery bear
doesnt ss loose it's importance for boss?
stuck shuttle
no because the CP generation is huge
fiery bear
1X archive 2X dd will be better right?
stuck shuttle
especially for exsang opener
boreal spoke
What’s the best macro for nightelf shadowmeld and stealth straight after?
solar bramble
do you use ensanguinate over toxic blade often enough?
slender peak
how did people do in raid tonight? My damage was slightly higher than last week despite the large ilvl difference between this week and last week. but still higher. but the noticable difference was went from near the top to middle of the pack on trash pulls with the SS nerf
hasty sonnet
Are you still running 3 ss?
slender peak
no switched to 2x DD and 1x LM
solar bramble
in raid, i wouldn't run ss. leave the AoE to ice mages, DH's and such
hasty sonnet
I think I have enough for 1 ss, 1 archive, and 1 dd
but I need something to replace that archive, I spend more time in mythics
fiery bear
I guess I will have to keep 3-4 diff sets of azerite gear
hasty sonnet
3 rows of my bags zz
sweet rampart
such a stupid system...
lilac coral
i don't think rogues are in a benchable state lol
fiery bear
I mean if uldir gives bonus on uldir only then we should farm another gear for outside content?