#assassination

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undone hill
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what traits do you have?

broken swift
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what traits heck?

hushed crane
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im 365,6 with 3x SS and I sim 13.8 🤔

stuck shuttle
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1xSS 1xDD 1xLM

broken swift
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is that best now?

stuck shuttle
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I think Archive > LM

waxen arch
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im 352 with 12.8k dps 2 ss and 1xarchive

stuck shuttle
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If you're running exsang, I think you NEED atleast 1xSS

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just for CP

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also dependent on gear

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like whether or not you have Galecallers

lusty narwhal
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365 here 2x SS 340 and 1x laser 370 is 14.3k... 2x SB is like 14.28k lol

violet lintel
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i hate idea of SB because i rarely use knife o.o

pastel jackal
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its taking me time to get use to SB

broken swift
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does ditb proc while stealth?

haughty pilot
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do bleeds snapshot dmg from elaborate planning if you reapply them in the window? or is it dynamic and effects bleeds already applied

feral nest
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You use it only when you hit max stacks

spare tree
waxen arch
paper aspen
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That's all there is to SB? just use it when you max stacks and ignore it the rest of the time?

slender peak
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Is SB really the goto now?

stuck shuttle
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@haughty pilot dynamic

feral nest
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Yep

stuck shuttle
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EP is a buff to yourself

pastel jackal
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yeah just use it at 30 stacks

stuck shuttle
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not a debuff on target

haughty pilot
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ty hecktix im living in the past

devout hamlet
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How did sin feel today?

stuck shuttle
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@slender peak SB build is really good if you don't have Galecaller's

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if you have galecaller's, Exsang build is still better

kind dock
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so on nightly build my 3 pieces are Twist the knife(370 helm) Blightborne Infusion(340 shoulders) and Filthy Transfusion(385 chest) - filthy was simming higher than SS

muted apex
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hecktix can i ask what traits you are running in that sim?

stuck shuttle
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1xSS 1xDD 1xLM

late bison
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Anyone tried Sin in m+ yet? really curious how our AoE is gonna be.

pastel jackal
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should we at leat try to have 1 SS for the CP or just run 3 SB assuming i dont have gale callers yet

keen hound
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@stuck shuttle I have galecaller and i am showing sb runs better w/ TB and it is even throwing master assassin ahead of subterfuge

stuck shuttle
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@pastel jackal I think it depends on what traits you have available

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best to sim

waxen arch
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damn, I cant break the 13k dps -.-

stuck shuttle
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@keen hound dependent on gear too

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Like what ilvl your azerite pieces are

keen hound
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master assassin and TB w/ SB feels trashy though

stuck shuttle
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^

keen hound
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so probably going to still run exsang

stuck shuttle
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lol

true rapids
stuck shuttle
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yeah everything is kind of in limbo mode right now

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we'll have to wait for the APLs to get more refined

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and we'll probably see another round of changes

lusty narwhal
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I love patch day simming

calm grail
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Wonder if our talents changed at all w/ these changes.

lusty narwhal
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Kappa

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Fucking pain in the ass

kind dock
undone hill
stuck shuttle
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@undone hill your trinkets are hurting you

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well atleast the fetid one

undone hill
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you think so?

stuck shuttle
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idk if raidbots is updated to reflect the changes on that trinket

timid grotto
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anyone figured what the best trait comb is ? 3x DD?

undone hill
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for outlaw its pretty decent

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actually

violet lintel
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ya i did notice its proccing a lot more now (fetid)

shadow token
stuck shuttle
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they increased the proc rate by 4x?

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i think thats what the patch said.

late bison
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I have a 385 Frenetic from fetid, feelsbad. I wish raid trinkets were actually good compared to the dungeon ones

humble crane
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herodamage out of date?

undone hill
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oh damn

crude hinge
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how would you setup raidbots for mythic+ simming

undone hill
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frenetic seems to sim way worse with assa

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interesting

stuck shuttle
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herodamage was just updated today actually

undone hill
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for outlaw its one of the best trinkets

stuck shuttle
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@shadow token you also are running exsang without SS

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oh nvm u do have it

severe raven
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so are we basically dropping SS now for sharpend blades?

karmic mortar
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does raidbots account for the reeorigination? I have archive and SS on the same piece and SS sims higher but shouldnt it be archivee?

severe raven
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or is 3 stack still worth

stuck shuttle
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you have to turn it on in the options

shadow token
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yea.. still would have another ss hecktix. strange to me

stuck shuttle
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@karmic mortar

late bison
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SB is ST only we probably don't have a single build for both ST and AoE

stuck shuttle
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@shadow token you dont have array buff enabled on raidbots

severe raven
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SB is still better then SS for ST and cleave

strange python
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I don't understand some of the stuff like on bloodmallet one trinekt is better than the other but the worse one Sims better

late bison
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@undone hill if only I had some swords

stuck shuttle
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because it all depends on what your current gear is

strange python
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Ic

humble crane
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Still showing shrouded suff as top x 3 combo, which isnt right

stuck shuttle
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in a vacuum, herodamage would be correct

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but everyone's setup is different

severe raven
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are these wrong?

gusty plinth
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aah tb ftw

stuck shuttle
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nah that was updated today

tribal sand
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374il btw

stuck shuttle
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herodamage that is

undone hill
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How the fuck is SB better than SS?

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herodamage says SS is still better

stuck shuttle
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@gusty plinth have you tried with exsang?

woeful scaffold
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did todays simcraft sims take into account the azerite changes?

crude hinge
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bloodmallet seems to be good

trail otter
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EXSANG OR TB AFTER SS NERF?

woeful scaffold
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cuz assa still top

humble crane
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yeah I think herodamage is out of date

gusty plinth
stuck shuttle
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no Herodamage was updated today.

karmic mortar
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@stuck shuttle I dont see it in any options, is it on the Top Gear sim?

stuck shuttle
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confirmed by mods

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its in the pins

woeful scaffold
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@gusty plinth what the fk 374

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u ok m8

violet lintel
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i still prefer TB because its what im used to. lol

woeful scaffold
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tb is sooo much weaker

humble crane
stuck shuttle
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@karmic mortar down at the bottom

woeful scaffold
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i swapped this week and its such a big difference

timid grotto
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that boon is nasty

humble crane
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@stuck shuttle still show 3 x shrouded though 😛

stuck shuttle
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that page may not be updated

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but by ilvl and stack

candid jasper
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Is sin simming higher than sub atm?

stuck shuttle
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should be

late bison
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@woeful scaffold is that with or without SS?

placid elbow
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So, hows Assassin with the nerf to SS? Just got home from work 😄

humble crane
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Its not, i simmed my 3 x shrouded vs 3 others and its a 500 dps loss lol

gusty plinth
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@woeful scaffold yes im okay tyty

tribal sand
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minor change tbh @placid elbow

stuck shuttle
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@humble crane what are your 3 others?

tribal sand
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people are trying to min max though

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not worth it

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if you have 3ss id stick with it

humble crane
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blighted infusion =/

tribal sand
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still good in M+

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i cbf to play SB

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so boring

humble crane
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x 2, and one titans

placid elbow
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@tribal sand interesting. I'm going to go beat up on the dummy here in a bit. Just wanted to see what everyone was going through lol.

violet lintel
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ill stick to SS and just idly farm things, RNG hasnt been kind to me up till now lol

vague patrol
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lol wtf twist the knife is simming best for me now

hushed crane
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I sim 400 less in assassination than as sub, I use 3x SS as sin and 3x blade in the shadows as sub

vague patrol
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2x twist the knife 1x archive

woeful scaffold
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@late bison ya i think its 3x SS

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cant tell

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its on simcraft

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site

pulsar goblet
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And all these sims are pure st which is like 2 bosses. I really don't understand why sims mean so much

vague patrol
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you can sim multi target lol

violet lintel
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i do like exang in pvp though, see those health pools drain 😉

astral hound
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@gusty plinth why quick nav but crit gems/encha?

pulsar goblet
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Ok but even the multi target is rarely how fights work

tribal sand
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quick/deadly nav haste gems/enchant

keen spruce
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life without SS day one

pulsar goblet
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And no one sims multi

fringe socket
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what is the best trinket to go for in m+ for single target?

keen spruce
silent scaffold
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what's the apl for reorigination array?

stuck shuttle
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there is no APL, its built in to raidbots now

keen spruce
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Vanish Rupture is hard to remember

tribal sand
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pretty sure fanthoms and loaded dice or the shrine one are still bis

late bison
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@violet lintel oh yeah 3xSS + garote from stealth into rupture into garote into exsa was pretty insane

silent scaffold
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oh thanks

keen spruce
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single garrote openers are very wierd

stuck shuttle
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@silent scaffold u have to enable at the options on the bottom

keen spruce
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good though, MA makes FoK 5cp every time

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for trash packs pretty nice PeepoThumb

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but otherwise pretty much Thinkicide

vast mulch
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for people that have three SS's, how much dps did you lose?

woeful scaffold
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simcraft uses quick and masterful navigation wep enchants 🤔

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master for st?

crude hinge
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tbh @vast mulch its my first dungeon and im doing a+3 i feel useless

keen spruce
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no i simmed higher dropping my last SS triat

waxen arch
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hawk 1-2k dps for me

keen spruce
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so i have MA now

violet lintel
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idk how much i actually lost still manged to hold above what sims say -_-

vague patrol
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does reorigination array stack if you have 2 different uldir pieces?

keen hound
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@vast mulch w/ 3pc ss not changing anytthing else, i lose 700 dps on single target sim

stuck shuttle
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no

woeful scaffold
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SoB is good for dungeons apparently

vast mulch
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I did a +8 last week and was doing awesome on packs

stuck shuttle
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it doesn't stack

vague patrol
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ok thanks @stuck shuttle

keen spruce
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I only lost about 100dps

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just changing my traits

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and build

vast mulch
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so I guess on M+ we are losing like 3k dps aoe

keen hound
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Well yeah

vague patrol
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i lost around 400 dps

keen spruce
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going from single SS to no SS

vague patrol
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with different traits

austere wolf
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do u guys keep atleast 1 ss for combo point ?

keen hound
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that's why i said if i didn't hcange anything it was around 700

woeful scaffold
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im personally stacking 3 still

keen hound
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if i go from 3xss to best that I have, changing traits, changing talents i end up at about 100 dps loss

woeful scaffold
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for m+ and raiding

keen spruce
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yeah ST 3x SS was about 700-1000 dps loss

terse bone
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is simcraft up to date? it shows assassination with 3x ss traits still pretty high for me?

tribal sand
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cause it still is high

strange python
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ss is still top trait

polar glade
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i guess we run DD stacking now?

placid elbow
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I lost 500dps

strange python
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outside raiding

placid elbow
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😦

astral hound
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whats the opener with only 1x SS?

austere wolf
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hmm i have some better simming traids but i might keep 1 ss for openers

violet lintel
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Its still top trait if you dont have gear with some of the other top traits and dont like the rng treadmill to get those pieces lol 😉

keen hound
vale oak
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I want old SS back. qq, the sky is falling

keen hound
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think i'm going to eat the loss and go w/ 2x ss

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roughly 1% loss on sim

cedar kelp
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im going with 0 SS, fuck the system

keen hound
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for much better feeling play

vale oak
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this guyy

slate dust
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I'd like to see a patch notes where rogue isn't mentioned

charred zephyr
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so after SS nerf i got 1x DD and 1x TS - my question is whats my opener?

vale oak
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tbh we're in a great place this time around, it's azerite thats the problem

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god damn junkie muradin and his mother earth addiction

devout hamlet
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Not really

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Without garrote dmg sin isn’t good

violet lintel
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I wonder if 2 SS , 1 DD would be ok still or around the same lol

placid elbow
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I think 1SS is probably fine

devout hamlet
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Look at your dmg % on each ability

lusty narwhal
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@devout hamlet lul

polar glade
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1SS and 2x Titans? maybe

vale oak
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running 1xSS and 2xSB. went back to toxic blade

astral hound
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whats the 1x ss opener?

north crane
keen hound
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My options are this.... 13.5k sim with Master Assassin and TB (2x SB) ..... 13.3k Sim with 2x SB 1x blade in the back (exsang).... or 13.2k sim with 2x SS 1x blade in the back (exsang).... or just screw it, stick with 3x SS and be at 12.9k sim (exsang) 😂

cedar kelp
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option 5 is reroll DH kappa

polar glade
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the opener isnt really changed based on how many SS traits you got

junior aurora
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opener only changes based on if you have SS or not

polar glade
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ye exactly

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CB's are the same

astral hound
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newish to rogue (from mage), just got my first SS from cache

polar glade
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CP*

woeful scaffold
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wonder if 2x SS 1 AotT sims better than 3x

charred zephyr
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yeah sorry i went from 2x ss to none

vale oak
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/violin @astral hound

astral hound
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isok

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my mage got crushed harder

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than sin

charred zephyr
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but i found the website guide for opener with and without SS

astral hound
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had 3x brain storm

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can u post it for me @charred zephyr

waxen arch
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@woeful scaffold 2x SS 1xAoth sims better for me than 3X ss

vale oak
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3x fan of blades, kappa

polar glade
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maybe we should just do 2x titans and 1x DD

violet lintel
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wonder how things look just without any traits, lmao

karmic mortar
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if you have 2 uldir azerite piece does the reorigination stack?

light kestrel
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NO

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caps

glossy galleon
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thanks blizz for the new set of gear i need

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ecks dee

brazen garden
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don't give blizz new ideas

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stacking reorigination array oof

violet lintel
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everyone rebel, use no traits

glossy galleon
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lol

karmic mortar
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well not stack i gues, i mean do you get 2 per boss?

light kestrel
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no

glossy galleon
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no

daring cave
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Is inner Circle still OP, HMC and gut ripper?

kind dock
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11.5k on target dummy with just food buff with blighted infusion, twist the knife and filthy transfusion :x

glossy galleon
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yeh op

light kestrel
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regardless of how many arrays you have, you'll only ever have 1 of the buff on you, which is modified based on boss kills on a weekly lockout

glossy galleon
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inner didnt change

daring cave
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ty

sick monolith
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so did they fix the bug with garrote? Or just nerf SS and not touch the bug

feral nest
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1xDD 1xSS 1xLM is simming well

karmic mortar
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ok its weekly then, i was wondering how tf you even get to 10 sacks lol

late bison
light kestrel
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They fixed the bug, Ktuda. They did it by nerfing SS, hoping we'll pick something else.

late bison
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For me TB is better again

raw oracle
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what was the bug

feral nest
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Yeah me too

late bison
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Right now I have tripple SS guess I'll throw it out

feral nest
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Keep 1

light kestrel
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!ss

prisma monolithBOT
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Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

waxen arch
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I sim best with 1xArchive, 1xSwirling Sands 1x SS 12,795 DPS 352ilvl.....

raw oracle
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oh

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ty

strange python
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I sim best with 3/3 SS

placid elbow
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GIMP DPS

quaint hawk
late bison
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That's more then me while I have 355 @waxen arch

lusty narwhal
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I mean

placid elbow
light kestrel
violet lintel
light kestrel
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I wish they'd take the time to un-dick the Uldir trinkets, they're straight trash.

astral hound
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370 overcharger 😦

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haste my best stat

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still trash

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????

late bison
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Idd I have a 385 from fetid, it's trash for assa but it's good for pirates

light kestrel
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I got a 375 overcharger first week w/ socket, but it's trash... GOTTEM

placid elbow
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I got a 370 Overcharger and 370 Doom's Wake

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All trash

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lol

lusty narwhal
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Ive had taloc trinket drop 4 times so far LUL

undone hill
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yeah frenetic corpuscle seems really good for outlaw

light kestrel
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The trinkets themselves are fine, but they're bugged to fuck.

undone hill
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sadly really bad for sin

violet lintel
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I just have Cannon/Fetid.... cannons so fun though

junior aurora
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i just want one gc 😦

brazen garden
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fathoms 4 lyfe

warm sable
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For me only 0.5k 😃 nurf so i will survive 😄

violet lintel
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surprised there wasnt a Sharknado trinket from Freehold tbh, missed opportunity

late bison
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@undone hill Yeah I'm gonna sim outlaw tomorrow but I need swords or something I have 335 and 345 I think

boreal spoke
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Ss bug fixed?

light kestrel
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how are you not drowning in 1h axes/fistweapons?

undone hill
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I just want Sin to sim better than outlaw already

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wanna play sin so bad

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😄

late bison
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@warm sable well check it in m+

humble crane
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I cant play outlaw and go from 380/370 Mh/oh daggers to 340 swords lol

broken swift
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is frenetic better then it was?

waxen arch
bright shale
late bison
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@light kestrel low ilvl ones I do have but not 370 like my daggers

light kestrel
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Ah, thought you meant you had none at all

fresh cedar
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So, I should be using Archive over SS on a 370 chest from Devourer now, right?

north terrace
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Is there a talent build where SB takes over SS? Same ilvl SB trait pieces getting owned by my SS stuff with the nightly in raidbots

lunar nebula
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Hey boys, just passing by wanted to drop my condoleances, may you RIP.

celest edge
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So how do you use sharpened blade?

unkempt escarp
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Hi, i couldnt find the PvP talents for sin rogue, could anyone help me out ^^ ?

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in the guide

warm sable
strange python
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How the hell is it possible I only sim 100 dps lower?

vale oak
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are these hotfixes in effect on eu btw? or do they come with maintenance

fallow cypress
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Get better gear and you'll be fine...i only sim 14.2k @370 with unoptimized gear!

stone quartz
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!sims

prisma monolithBOT
stray fox
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tfw parses are gonna look awful for the next 2 weeks

late bison
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@unkempt escarp Master poisoner or EP(vs hpal), subterfuge, MfD, internal bleeding, poison bomb is what pikaboo is running

crude hinge
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does this make any sence man

wise bear
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lelellele

pulsar bluff
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people still dont understand having less opening dps, but more stats average during a 5mn is worth, i dont get it

past harbor
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heavy movement sim?

ocean nebula
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@crude hinge heavy movement

strange python
crude hinge
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alll i do is mythic +

late bison
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@vale oak no not live yet

violet lintel
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i move around alot else i get tunnel vision and focus to much on something, seem to do better that way XD

final stone
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im prob going to get a 380 ss trait pirce from my cache tonight too... lol riiip

unkempt escarp
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@late bison i meant the PvP talents, not an actual talent spec ^_^ hehe.. sorry if i was unclear 😃

waxen arch
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these nerfs will be live on EU tomorrow right?

cedar meteor
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Players cry for 1k lost dps on sim and than have 3k less in raid anyway. So whats the point....🤣

placid elbow
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Titan or SS at this point

wild garnet
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Guys, now that SS are going to be nerfed, do you think sub will be better than sin?

inner zephyr
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whats bis trait for assas

light kestrel
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@waxen arch Yeah

late bison
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@unkempt escarp Oh uhh don't know the names by heart but deadly brew(wound poison effect), creeping venom and neuro toxin

fallow cypress
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@cedar meteor it's easier to fix problems with gear than it is to fix our own play 😄

karmic mortar
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do LFR bossees give you reorigination stacks?

strange python
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y

placid elbow
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oooo

light kestrel
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@karmic mortar Yes

inner zephyr
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anyone have an idea

unkempt escarp
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@late bison tyvm! 😃

cedar meteor
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@fallow cypress exactly ✌😂

ocean nebula
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can someone link me info to this reorigination thing?

fresh ginkgo
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anyone use CT on zul?

karmic mortar
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neat

proven current
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is sin still the top spec?

manic remnant
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Oh look, more rogue nerfes and still no disc priest nerfs. Best balance team in the world.

light kestrel
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They said this was only the first pass

celest edge
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Has the nerf gone out on NA servers?

manic remnant
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so they gonna nerf rogues again then great

unkempt escarp
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@late bison Do you also, by any chance, know of a good rotation vid on YT? I'm new to the spec, and I struggle understanding guides as im better at observing visually ^^

late bison
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@unkempt escarp You can trade out creeping venom(more consistent damage) or neuro toxin( more burst) for smoke bomb or maneuvrability if you need it

crude hinge
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so ss nerf is live right?

late bison
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@crude hinge for NA yes

crude hinge
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idk how im simming higher for all 3 being ss then

kind dock
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Thinking of just leaving my 385 chest at SS for m+ it sims like 100 dps lower than filthy lol

north terrace
kind dock
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Thoughts?

lone junco
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@kind dock Ss for m+ is just fine

wanton wagon
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Sounds reasonable if you don't want to reforge it all the time.

late bison
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@unkempt escarp Uhm the rotation isn't really set in stone but you can watch Pikaboo right now on twitch. He's online playing assa right now in 3's

lone junco
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your 6T40 patchwerk sim should be in the 30k range with no buffs.

brisk flicker
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
sinful lotus
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@lone junco Sims lower for me than 2xDD and 1 xSS though.

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for M+

polar glade
lone junco
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yeah, but DD is not an M+ trait

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we fok in cleave

unkempt escarp
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@late bison I see, tyvm! Is there a PvE rotation thats "set in stone" then?

north terrace
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@polar glade really should check the times

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on those sims

polar glade
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6 min

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ST

sinful lotus
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so DDx2 and SSx1 for ST, then 3xSS for Cleave/aoe?

placid elbow
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I only have two ideal traits but I have 1xSS and 1xTitan simming higher than 2xSS

sinful lotus
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I don't have any Uldir traits

late bison
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@lone junco is that a 6 target 40 seconds sim? Haven't been simming for that long

north terrace
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@polar glade I meant the times the sims were done

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Those are from sept 17th

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Before the nerf

polar glade
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ye i see now, updated 22 hours ago so before nerf

civic palm
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@lone junco SS still bugged?

lone junco
#

i can check rn

fresh ginkgo
#

Everyone using PB on zul? or CT better?

late bison
#

@unkempt escarp You can check out the guides

cedar kelp
#

wait sin is actually trash without SS traits in keystones??

strange python
#

Yo, do I refresh all my bleeds before using exsa?

lone junco
#

@cedar kelp M+ will still be ss imo

grim mason
#

SS is god in M+

strange python
#

people are overreacting, ss is still good

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just not the only option anymore

peak saffron
#

Do I only use Poisoned Knife at 30 stacks or is there a magic number?

past harbor
#

with SS do you still open with ggg in M+ even though it'll waste combo points? or do you gg rupt g

grim mason
#

Only folk overreating is the flavor of the week/month players

keen cradle
#

you wont be able to gg r g

strange python
#

probably lol

snow seal
#

O played outlaw on M+ today, no 5 buffs and i had the same overall dps as assa (12k)

violet lintel
#

I just wanna see someone do a m+ with 0 traits.
Call it the Traitless Challenge
😉

lone junco
#

yes bugged still

north terrace
#

@strange python it literally went from the number 1 trait by a significant margin to the number 10 trait and under the number 1 by a pretty significant margin lol

civic palm
#

mmm ty

karmic mortar
#

!ss

prisma monolithBOT
#

Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

north terrace
#

So it is kind of a big deal lol

cedar kelp
#

so SS 3x stack for keystones. and ST is kind of in the air atm or have we decided its SB?

distant peak
#

Outlaw and specifically RtB is so miserable to play. It would need to be significantly stronger than sub/assa for me to play it.

grim mason
#

you only have 3seconds so its ggg

strange python
#

on st only, probably

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as i said, its still good

north terrace
#

It's going to be a bigger nerf on AoE...

crude hinge
#

wait what

strange python
#

10 of 30 is good

crude hinge
#

i thought it was g r g mut rupture exang

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not ggg

distant peak
#

for 3 target it's ggg

north terrace
#

Not really when 90% of the people here are trying to min-max, not be number 10

distant peak
#

ST is grgm

grim mason
#

still the same on ST GRGVTE

mossy hazel
#

What's the general concensus for gemming? Secondary or agi?

keen cradle
#

you can only use 1 agility

mossy hazel
#

Answers that then, thanks

solemn wigeon
#

stats dropped? why am i simming 2k lower

torn coyote
#

agi

north terrace
#

@solemn wigeon the SS nerf probably?

solemn wigeon
#

ss nerf? wtf is that

lone junco
#

RIP the 25k garrote tick tho

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capped out at 14k.

lusty narwhal
#

It wont sim 2k lower because of the nerf

distant peak
#

40% decrease to SS bonus.

solemn wigeon
#

ahh shite

unkempt escarp
#

Could someone send me a quick SS of their stealthed actionbar, to see which spells are relevant for stealth use?

solemn wigeon
#

shrouded suffocation got a nerf

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rip

snow seal
#

I Lost 600 sim ST dps. Not a Lot.

sick monolith
#

40% isnt a 2k difference

lone junco
unkempt escarp
#

tyvm ❤

lusty narwhal
#

I lost about 400 but im only running 2x because I have 1x 370 laser

solemn wigeon
#

i was simming 12k now im simming 9.6

lone junco
#

i keep everything in the same spot lol

lusty narwhal
#

Probably stay that was as 2x SB is a 25 damage increase - no point

lone junco
#

@solemn wigeon did you take off a weapon?

wanton wagon
#

I don't even have a stealth bar anymore

peak saffron
#

what's the ideal number of stacks to use Poisoned Knife? 30 or lower?

snow seal
#

I was at 14.300. Now i'm at 13.700

modern crescent
#

so SOB and DD is best ST traits now?

brittle umbra
#

are trait changes live on EU?

midnight carbon
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
lusty narwhal
#

SOb no

solemn wigeon
#

nah

modern crescent
#

but DD is up for debate?

peak saffron
#

no one has an answer?

lone junco
#

29

peak saffron
#

okay. thanks

snow seal
#

SS still might be the best

lone junco
#

pretty sure thats in the apl.

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=29

peak saffron
#

I'm bad

sinful lotus
#

@snow seal Idk, i'm simming 450 DPS higher ST with 2xDD and 1x SS

mossy hazel
#

^

solemn wigeon
#

can i double up on double dose or is that a probleM

civic palm
#

Yeah 29 and more, but it's crap unless you have three > _>

solemn wigeon
#

double dose on 2 traits is fine?

wanton wagon
#

Yeah

modern crescent
#

so 2xDD and 1 SS for st eight noe?

lone junco
#

im going to lose like 2k to 5k dps on trash pulls in M+ for sure

crude hinge
#

is it still grgm for st if you dont have ss?

modern crescent
#

with ss its grgvte

lone junco
#

if 0 ss? noi

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i doubt

sinful lotus
#

@modern crescent Not sure, Sharpened Blades might be good too. But when I top Gear on Raidbots, with SB DD and SS in all combos, i come out with 2xDD 1 xSS with TB and PB doing the most dps

solemn wigeon
#

dude 2k blizz 2k u want to take tk away from me

modern crescent
#

@sinful lotus pick thanks mate

sinful lotus
#

I haven't tried 3 DD or 3 SB tbh though. I have 2 of each and 3 SS

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so maybe that will make a difference?

lone junco
#

SB sounds horrible

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even if it is a gain

mossy hazel
#

Agreed

dusty crow
#

is one SS still good for the comboi points?

strange python
#

@solemn wigeon what talents and traits for you to lose 2k?

unreal bear
#

i dont buy you losing 2k dps

lone junco
#

Ill be TB /PB. with twist/ss/archive

solemn wigeon
#

i had ss on for sure

unreal bear
#

i lost 1k dps

lone junco
#

its a 200dps lost to knives but

crude hinge
#

3 ss still sims higher so whatever.

sinful lotus
#

@modern crescent Np man 😃 hoping to figure all this out. I still prefer SIn over the other two specs gameplay wise

strange python
#

@solemn wigeon exsanguinate build or tb?

modern crescent
#

me to assassin for life through thick and thin

solemn wigeon
#

tb

low saddle
#

Only lost 300 dps boys

lilac lily
#

meh

sinful lotus
#

I am curious what could make some people have higher sims with 3 SS Post Nerf (ST) compared to others, such as myself, who now SIM higher using other traits?

proven current
#

best talents now? toxic blade?

grim oriole
#

exsang still sims higher for me

solemn wigeon
#

what in the dookie

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i was simming 12k

strange python
#

sim with exsan and see how much you lose with the 3x ss, ss with tb is pretty shit now @solemn wigeon

daring imp
#

!wa

strange python
#

9611? how tf

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your rogue is higher ilvl than mine and i sim 12k

sinful lotus
#

@solemn wigeon Do you have Buffs active on your Sim?

surreal rivet
#

I lost 50 dps in total

lone junco
#

@solemn wigeon turn your buffs back on

grim oriole
#

howtf did you lose 50? no SS?

lone junco
#

no buffs is for a M+ cleave sim wthout lust

grim oriole
#

I lost 700 :X

modern crescent
#

@sinful lotus think it might be the haste values for everyone more haste means a stronger garrote

surreal rivet
#

The 370 shoulders I had were better then 340 SS pre nerf

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So I just swapped them out

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And kept the 370 SS

lilac lily
#

Lost about 800 with 3x SS, not sure what traits to play now

surreal rivet
#

so yeah only one

karmic mortar
surreal rivet
grim oriole
#

oh i mean thats fair, when i put on my 385 helmet tonight I went back to the same dps

karmic mortar
#

finally figured out how to set reorigination, thanks @stuck shuttle

daring imp
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
lusty narwhal
#

370 shoulders from where @surreal rivet I

surreal rivet
#

Warfront

#

They have SB

sinful lotus
#

@modern crescent ok cool makes sense then. I was Siming 13.7 with 3ss and Xsang (355IL) and post nerf i am down to 13.150 with same IL and 3SS. Switch to 2xDD and 1 SS and i'm back up to 13.6k with TB instead of Xsang.

arctic crow
#

Ya how do you Sim uldir traits with the +

lusty narwhal
#

The world boss?

undone cairn
#

I'm ready to open 385 SS trait from my chest

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lul

brisk flicker
#

Does anyone have a weak aura for sharpened blade stacks? :3

strange python
#

just got a 385 DD piece from cache to replace a 340 SS, does this mean i should run TB in m+, (will probably be running CT this week)

solemn wigeon
#

DD is better than ss now huh

grim oriole
#

the WA for sharpened blade is to not use sharpened blade

brisk flicker
#

but it's busted

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like actually broken

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I just hit 40k with poisoned knife

#

busted

lilac lily
#

DD is only better if you're not playing Exsang I think

undone cairn
#

That is correct

grim oriole
#

yeah exsang SS is still better

arctic crow
#

Outlaw buffed pistol shot does that too

sinful lotus
#

@lilac lily Idk, even with XSang 2xdd 1xSS was better than 3SS

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for me at least

late bison
#

for me while having 3x SS exsang still sims weaker then TB

grim oriole
#

just put on uldir traits and never leave uldir to do anything else, then you'll never feel the nerfs 😄

undone cairn
#

@sinful lotus did you try using master assassin

proven current
#

yeah tb sims higher me too

sinful lotus
#

@undone cairn Yea I simmed all the talents, and did all the traits and gear. Spent over an hour doing it. best iteration i got was 2xdd 1xss with TB and PB for single targert

undone cairn
#

Ic

solemn wigeon
#

something is major wrong with my shit rn. 2.5k lower since nerf

undone cairn
#

With subterfuge?

sinful lotus
#

@undone cairn I'm not saying i understand any of the results, but that's what I got

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yea, basically the same talents we've all been using for the 3SS build

distant moon
#

@sinful lotus can u show sim?

undone cairn
#

Try simming that same setup

#

With master assassin

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2x DD and 1xSS

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And tell me what kind of loss you see

sinful lotus
#

ok and ill compare that to 2xDD and 1xSS standard build

strange python
#

any playstyle change with MA?

grim oriole
#

weird. even with 2ss TB is worse for me.

undone cairn
#

Yea

strange python
#

how many targets does hecticaddcleave sim do?

sinful lotus
#

will take me a min

lusty narwhal
#

The world boss?

#

Fuck this man, honestly lol. So annoying having to go and farm new traits every reset

#

Can only stack 2x of em too

sinful lotus
#

Can you link a top gear SIM or can it only be a quick Sim in this discord?

undone cairn
#

You can do whatever

karmic forum
#

How bad is the SS nerf

surreal rivet
#

depends

undone cairn
#

It depends on what your sim looks like from before and after

#

The nerf

#

That's how you justify how bad

karmic forum
#

the sims are updated then?

undone cairn
#

Yes

surreal rivet
#

I simmed 15.2 pre nerf and 15.150 after

karmic forum
#

ok

strange python
undone cairn
#

Wait what

violet sail
#

Do we know if the bug is fixed yet?

strange python
#

i cant replace it and its so boring

undone cairn
#

How @surreal rivet

grim oriole
#

Did everyone get the bloody irontide hat? lmfao

quartz fox
#

@strange python i got the same exact piece today lol

undone cairn
#

Did you not use 3x SS?

grim oriole
#

i got it today too

arctic crow
#

Complain about 385 azerite...

proper igloo
#

so is ss just dog shit now?

severe niche
#

ok im back to pink name master race

grim oriole
#

i'm starting to think they just gave that hat to everyone

severe niche
#

outlaw is doo doo

undone cairn
#

No it's not

quartz fox
#

is dagger in the dark better than twist?

strange python
#

im not complaining about the piece, im complaining about the fact its so boring'

undone cairn
#

Its still pretty good

arctic crow
#

Fox gave up lol

surreal rivet
#

@undone cairn so pre nerf I was running x2 SS and x1 DITB, I swapped out my 340 SS shoulders with 370 SB, kept the 385 DITB and the 370 SS

grim oriole
#

outlaw sims the highest for me with deadshots :X

proper igloo
#

bloodmallets saying its dog shit in patchwork and in add cleave

strange python
#

idk js it simmed better for me

undone cairn
#

@surreal rivet that's pretty nutty

quartz fox
#

god i dont want to spend like 3k to find out it might be marginally more dps lol

solemn wigeon
#

when i simmed askmr robot my shit was back to normal. when i simm on raidbots im down to 9.5k

surreal rivet
#

I thought I was fucked

undone cairn
#

But you have to use poison knife

surreal rivet
#

Then I checked my bags

undone cairn
#

DansGame

grim oriole
#

just make a gearset on sims? You don't need to waste the money.

placid elbow
#

What is DD?

surreal rivet
#

It’s not that bad tbh

undone cairn
#

Double dose

#

Honestly

arctic crow
#

Raidbots > askmrrobot

undone cairn
#

I guess I didn't really get that fucked cause

#

All my traits were 340

placid elbow
#

oOOOOO

undone cairn
#

So whatever lul

proper igloo
#

so whats the best general trait combo for m+

solemn wigeon
#

archive of titants is better than ss now. damn

undone cairn
#

Probably SS still

#

Not sure about st

proper igloo
#

just stacking 3 ss?

strange python
#

ok i double checked bloodmallet and it looks like dagger in the back is good ST and still better than twist on aoe

grim oriole
#

you'll still need a SS set for m+

keen cradle
#

ss is still the way to go for m+

grim oriole
#

unless you have way higher ilvl archive

sinful lotus
#

@distant moon Ok so this is my baseline so we can see what i'm comparing to. This is post-nerf/live (EU tomorrow). I was 13.750 Pre-Nerf

proper igloo
#

oh ok

sinful lotus
gleaming geyser
#

M+ i have 2 ss and 1 sob highest

proper igloo
#

wonder why bloodmallets saying its bad in add cleavve

sinful lotus
#

Now, I'll sim same traits with Master Assassin

undone cairn
#

Okay

severe niche
#

so this week is like 10x harder than last week for m+ btw

distant moon
#

@sinful lotus thanks dude

undone cairn
#

What are you guys using for ST now?

#

Stacking SB?

severe niche
#

couldnt +1 2 13 keys that we did last week

grim oriole
#

I thought this week would be easy. Then I did shrine of the storms.

arctic crow
#

Shrine suckkkkss

drifting pulsar
#

what do you guys use to track rupture on multiple targets? Tried enemy grid, but unable to track only rupture .Some other rupture spell comes up

severe niche
#

we +1'd a shrine 13 last week

#

this week

#

we were over 10 mins

fallow estuary
#

What are this weeks traits?

grim oriole
#

that shrine with caster + two tentacles + 2 adds before stormsong was brutal

#

Teeming Quaking

#

Fort

severe niche
#

the bosses actaully somehow feel harder than tyranicall

#

i would not be suprized if some back end shit

#

was bugged

#

inc hotfix

undone cairn
#

Permanent tyranical Kappa

fallow estuary
#

Yeah - thats alot harder | But atlest its a fun to play week for DPS

sinful lotus
#

@distant moon Yea np man :). After i sim the 3SS with Master Assassin that somebody in chat asked for, i'll link my top gear compare which is telling me to drop my 3SS, to drop my TB and to go 2XDD and 1x SS. And I'm not sure why 😃

arctic isle
#

wat is that punctuation

#

was basically a youtube title

sinful lotus
#

with Master Assassin. 3Xss 1k dps drop

versed apex
#

Should I be ignoring Crimson Tempest on single target? Ravenholdt only mentions it for cleave

distant moon
#

1k less lol

keen cradle
#

you should not use ct for st

fallow estuary
#

Yeah ignore CT for singletarget

undone cairn
#

No

cedar elk
#

protip, if you switch panda, its about a 1% dps increase, so instead of 40% its 39% lacKEK

undone cairn
#

@sinful lotus I meant to say sim your 2x DD and 1x SS with TB and Master Assassin

kind dock
#

So how many stacks of Array should we have this week? (US)

distant peak
#

3

#

1 per week

sinful lotus
#

@undone cairn Ok will do (already did, will link after, but still simmed lower than Subterfuge and EP, TB and PB)

kind dock
#

Weird only at 2 cleared 8/8 norm and 5/8 heroic :x

undone cairn
#

Oh okay

#

It's fine then

strange python
#

i don't even get teh array shit honestly

undone cairn
#

I was just wondering

keen cradle
#

you can only get one stack a week

sinful lotus
#

@undone cairn well i was hoping it was better. Somebody earlier said MA was siming higher for them

#

i miss Lego shoulders so was hoping it would work

keen cradle
#

if you didnt kill at least 3 bosses every week you wont have 3

solemn wigeon
#

is DD x2 good or should I listen to Mr.robot and do 1 dd and 1 rezan fury

distant peak
#

never listen to mr robot

lusty narwhal
#

Ignore mrrobot entirely

sinful lotus
#

@distant moon @undone cairn So this is what I don't quite understand. After pumping in all the Raidbots Top Gear, i end up with this

lusty narwhal
#

Use raidbots

sinful lotus
#

it's still about 150 dps lower than the pre-nerf 3xSS Xsang ST build

solemn wigeon
#

mr robot sims me at 12k and raidbots sims me at 9 lol

sinful lotus
#

but it's the highest i can go

sinful badger
#

i dont want to be annoying and i know its been said probably a million times but what azerite traits are we supposed to be using now

sour trout
#

when you sim does it take reorigination array into account?

sinful badger
#

tired of blizzard just nerfing rogues every other week

cursive geyser
#

what are you think is 2xDD 1x Dagger in the Back better then 2x DD 1x SS?

onyx rock
#

Still on Top @sinful badger

distant peak
#

archive of the titans 1x and 2x SB or 2x DD probably

sinful badger
#

@nbx where

#

damn

bold ice
#

I must have the worst stats ever cause I'm like ilvl360 and see people 5 ilvl below me doing like 1.5k more on sims...

delicate gull
#

did someone say triple SS with Master Assassin is better than subterfuge? theres no way

sinful badger
#

im assuming our opener changes in raid then

sinful lotus
#

@delicate gull No

south sierra
#

is triple Double Dose better than 2 SS?

sinful lotus
#

Earlier somebody mentioned MA was better

#

but i don't see how

#

it sims 1k lower for me

delicate gull
#

same

sinful lotus
#

@south sierra well 2DD is already better than 3SS for me so...

#

idk, what do your SIMS say?

distant peak
#

@south sierra yes

ancient quail
#

i have question i have 4 rings R1: 360ilvl/171crit/216master R2: 345ilvl/140haste/221vers/62speed R3: 340 ilvl/186crit/167haste/60leech R4: 340ilvl/130vers/221master/socket. wich 2 should i use

strange python
#

MA is better with NO SS traitsw

#

my best sim is without SS

#

on ST

keen cradle
#

same

south sierra
#

@sinful lotus says 2 SS is 13.7K and then I check 2 DD its like 13.3K so ill check with 3.

undone cairn
#

Hey pickle

#

I simmed something for you

distant peak
#

oh I just noticed there are no SB or DD traits in uldir gear? am I going crazy?

undone cairn
#

Is this something you had before?

sinful lotus
#

Lastly, sorry for people bored of this. Finally, with TB, PB and 2XDD and 1xSS i get 13.648 ish

strange python
#

you are correct uttrs

teal glen
vague schooner
#

3?

viscid pawn
#

I think triple ss is still the Best in m+

undone cairn
#

Oh there you go

sinful lotus
#

that's as close as I can get to the Pre Nerf 3SS traits

undone cairn
#

That's what I was talking about earlier

strange python
#

phillip it iuus

distant peak
#

oh goodie! I can't wait to get a healthy dose of pride and accomplishment farming M+

steel orbit
#

We still summing high

zenith cedar
#

X3 SB is BIS?

#

I have 385 SB helm

subtle lodge
#

2x DD 1x SS sims highest for me

glass cloud
sinful lotus
#

@undone cairn nice, but still is lower than my 2Xdd 1 xSS TB PB setup

sinful badger
#

what does DD stand for

sinful lotus
#

Double Dose

#

@subtle lodge Same for me

primal violet
#

should i use a 340 DD over a 355 LM

zenith cedar
#

Rip rogue class

distant hinge
#

Big Ole titiies

zenith cedar
#

Reeeeeeeee

distant peak
#

it's not rip

keen cradle
delicate gull
#

eventually we're all gonna want at least 1 archive/laster matrix anyway, so id say 3 stacking is never bis

distant peak
#

you just have to farm new azerite gear

undone cairn
#

Yeay

#

I was just checking for you

zenith cedar
#

RIP the most fun play style that Sin ever had

sinful lotus
#

@keen cradle So you're simming with MA?

cursive dune
#

my sims arent entirely different

sinful lotus
#

@undone cairn thank you! 😃

#

still trying to figure this out

strange python
#

so am i at the point now where i just need to pray for azerite caches? im running
-385 Dagger in the back
-340 Shrouded
-385 Double Dose

keen cradle
#

that sim with ma 0SS sim'd higher then sub 3SS @sinful lotus

zenith cedar
#

We finally had something more than keeping up envenom and blizzard had to go and ruin it

strange python
#

not an ideal setup but the ilvl is there

delicate gull
#

has anyone messed with master poisoner at all? dont think anything has changed tho

zenith cedar
#

40% is disgusting

glass cloud
#

damn nice hex, all my azerite pieces are 340

stuck shuttle
#

absolutely cucked by my M+ chest

bold ice
#

Can someone tell me why my sims are so much lower thank others at similar ilvl?

distant peak
#

@crisp storm you can farm 1 piece of DD and use an archive of titans from Uldir

bold ice
zenith cedar
#

Time to run x3 blightborne infusion for mythic +

distant peak
#

i'm more sad about losing exsa than the SS nerf

unkempt escarp
#

Any clean sin WeakAuras out there ?=) Link pls ❤

zenith cedar
#

Yeah I loved Exsang

#

I’m so sad about it

onyx rock
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
zenith cedar
#

It was actually somewhat challenging to use

onyx rock
#

@unkempt escarp

delicate gull
#

exsg still best for me, unlucky

lone junco
#

Knife time

zenith cedar
#

You had to open perfectly or you got ducked

distant peak
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@zenith cedar SS is probably still better in M+

zenith cedar
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I think prob depends on tyrannical or not now

sinful badger
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im fucked tho

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i have 2 385 azerite pieces

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1 has SB the other SS

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any advice on what to do

undone cairn
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At least you have 385 pieces

zenith cedar
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I have SB 385 too

strange python
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idk if that is low for ilvl

zenith cedar
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Just run x3 SB for memes

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Shit crits for like 150k

sinful badger
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lmao

strange python
sinful badger
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ok but if im forced to run 1 SB and 1 SS

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what should my third piece be

zenith cedar
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SB

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Cause a single SB sucks ass

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You have to stack it

ripe geyser
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@strange python delete that pvp trinket already LUL

strange python
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I HAVE NOTHINg ELsE :(((

ripe geyser
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Do a WQ for 325 or buy something from AH, that is pure shit

undone cairn
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My sim is low ar too

split dirge
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is it worth running a dagger in the back trait if im not backstabbing?

undone cairn
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Af

sick monolith
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2x SS and 1x DIB i do 13,844 with Exsanguinate. Laser matrix piece takes me to 14,160 with 1xSS. With Toxicblade i got up to 14,215 with 1xSS, Laser Matrix, 1xDIB

undone cairn
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I'll show you guys after

split dirge
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it sims higher but idk if thats including backstabdamage

zenith cedar
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When would you not be hitting the back ...

split dirge
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idk im sure theres a situation

zenith cedar
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Except niche scenarios

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Losing damage from DIB is the least of ur worries if ur attacking frontal lol

sick monolith
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i just realized my ring isnt even enchanted

zenith cedar
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Dodge miss parry lol

sinful badger
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2x SB, 1x SS?

stray fox
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Have they fixed the SS subterfuge bug yet?

split dirge
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dodge miss parry?

distant peak
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@stray fox no

zenith cedar
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When you attack from the front you can be dodged and parried

ancient quail
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dont get why a vers/mastery ring would sim over a crit/haste ring

stray fox
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that'd have made the nerf a bit more ok -.-

distant peak
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ilvl?

zenith cedar
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Aka you’re missing a ton of autos and wasting globals

ancient quail
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both 340

hollow stone
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Hey guys, what are we thinking for opener if not using any ss? G, mut, r, mut to 4-5, vend, tb, and then normal?

dawn merlin
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is archive simming better than SS for anyone atm? does raidbots take archive "level" into consideration?

distant peak
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mastery got a bump for me going to TB, maybe that's why for you too.

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kind of speculation though

split dirge
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it doesyes @dawn merlin

thorny maple
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is simulationcraft up to date with the nerfs?

dawn merlin
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alright, thank you

thorny maple
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the tier list

split dirge
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herodamage is so id think so

thorny maple
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I wanted to know how assassination now stacks up to outlaw in raid tier sims

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im outlaw but was looking at going sin before nerfs

twin hatch
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how do u feel with ss nerf?

onyx rock
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@thorny maple play both

thorny maple
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I dont have daggers, was wondering if it was smart to target sin gear instead of outlaw gear for daggers

onyx rock
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entitled @twin hatch

crisp hollow
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have herodamage and bloodmallet been updated for the changes?

delicate gull
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only 1 shoulder in uldir really sucks man

stuck shuttle
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you want the shoulders though

strange python
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why are people still saying they are gonna run 3x ss in m+ when all the websites have it super low

slender peak
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LOL simmed my gear according to the new traits on hero damage and raidbots and its telling me to ignore the 370 and 2 355 pieces I have and use all 340 gear.

delicate gull
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yeah but like i dont have em yet lmao

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got the others

stuck shuttle
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because 3xSS is the only way to stay competitive on aoe

strange python
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but im doing it by cleave

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and stacks

stuck shuttle
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some of the top traits only apply in Uldir

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outside of raid

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SS is more valuable

wanton quail
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sims dont account for restealthing which is huge for SS in m+

delicate gull
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im actually so confused, i simmed top gear at 14.8k and now every quick sim after is 100dps lower

final stone
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remember how i told you guys i would get a 380 ss trait piece out of my cache.....

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wellll riiip

teal spruce
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did they fix shroud bug where a 4th garrote removes emoowered ones

distant peak
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no

final stone
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385 gore splattered vest....

strange python
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Should be fixed by 9.1 @teal spruce

ionic orchid
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Yeah they fixed it by nerfing it

round harbor
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LMAO I got 385 bis sub helm

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A sign from the gofs

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Gods

dawn merlin
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are sims taking into account reorigination ray within uldir... ?

void pecan
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👋

south sierra
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wait so are they gonna be reverting it when its fixed or what?

round harbor
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It's a tuning patch, not a bug fix patch

chilly oasis
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they could fix subterfuge glitch, not only nerf SS, pathethic

distant peak
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no stalkings, that was a meme.

south sierra
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Oh.

round harbor
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@chilly oasis lemme see ur code on how to fix it

south sierra
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Well back to sub :(

chilly oasis
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dude, that's not acceptable

keen cradle
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how would an MA opener look?

strange python
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raidbots updated?

distant peak
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yes rmd

strange python
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thx

onyx rock
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@chilly oasis if you do not have a solution yourself, you should not expect any solution from others

final stone
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what mythic 0 has DD trait again

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or even SB i guesssss...

delicate gull
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welp TB is 10dps higher with 2 Twists 1 Archive lmao against EXSG with two SS 1 Archive, ripp

distant peak
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filter at bottom

umbral crescent
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on bloodmallet, is the archive of hte titans +5/+10 for heroic/mythic versions, or something else?

primal violet
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@final stone Sots for shoulders

solemn wigeon
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how often does price on azerite reforge go down?

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they taxxing me hard

severe raven
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Wait, should we be using SB? And if so, do we add poisoned knife to our rotation? I wasn't even aware of this in the rotation

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TBH I didn't even know this was an ability

umbral crescent
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@distant peak thanks, turns out I'm blind

onyx rock
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@solemn wigeon It halves every 3 days after your last reforge

fresh ginkgo
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Anyone uses CT on zul?

sinful badger
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14,300k sim with 2xSB, 1xSS

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probably pretty good for single target uldir

spare tree
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does anyone have the sharpened blades wago.io link?

round harbor
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CT is padding

humble igloo
round harbor
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On zul

orchid field
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you guys still going exsang or toxic?

distant peak
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TB seems better now, sadly.

severe raven
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Wait, is it worth keeping on SS? or should it be replaced

distant peak
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they weren't far off eachother before. and this was a decent hit to it.

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M+ or raids billy?

severe raven
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raid

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and m+

distant peak
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m+ SS

fresh ginkgo
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Man if they gonna nerf ss they should buff some other traits as well

distant peak
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raid probably 2x SB or DD and 1x aott

undone sandal
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40% dmg nerf, still going to use same trait. FeelsBadMan

iron pelican
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they never do honestly

severe raven
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@distant peak do I use Poisoned knife only @30 stacks?

wintry musk
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compared to what bloodmallet is saying best traits and simming that gear at 340 compared to what i have my 2SS is still siming higher. anyone else getting this?

primal violet
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ofc

distant peak
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29+

fresh ginkgo
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Using 2 laser and one aott atm

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Ditching SS completely

iron pelican
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the array doesnt stack i thought

fresh ginkgo
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It doesnt

distant peak
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it does not

dawn merlin
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my 2nd SS is still better than aott as well

distant peak
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how many stacks of array did you sim with?

fresh ginkgo
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SoB is pretty good in m+

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Been running it with one trait atm

dawn merlin
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@distant peak how do I set that up?

distant peak
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in the options

delicate gull
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after we kill 3 bosses again today we get another stack of reorg right? should prolly just test sim with 3

river zinc
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So i'm way behind..what traits should we be using now?

signal crag
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is simc updated?

distant peak
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yes it is

void pecan
jovial aurora
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should we still always run with at least one piece of gear with ss for the extra combo point generation?

unborn leaf
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you think 3 ss for m+ or 2 ss and 1 blightborne?

dawn merlin
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how much stacks should we have if we raided every week?

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3?

unborn leaf
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I have 370 shoulders with blightborne which is why I ask

distant peak
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this week gives you 3

fiery nest
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you'll get 3 stacks this reset if you kill 3 bosses

hidden yoke
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If your ss is 340 probably the bi but you know just sim it I’m only guessing lol

dawn merlin
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alright ty

pine willow
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lmao

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i just uninstalled

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fuck this shit

fiery cradle
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ehh

severe raven
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I actually dont know what to do

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this SB rotation seems god awful and my burst is absolute dog shit

hidden yoke
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Someone posted a good opener with SB earlier I’d try to search for it

haughty lily
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best sin trinket in uldir? or am i stuck with darkmoon deck forever

void pecan
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Dark moon and M+ trinkets

hidden yoke
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It used MA and vanished with 3 seconds left on vendetta and used the PB right before vendetta ended

void pecan
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or.. multiple M+ trinkets.

haughty lily
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ugh i hate shrine

white moss
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anyone cna help me out, what dungeon drops sharpened blades shoulder trait?

violet lintel
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i dont have a dmf deck and dont like galecallers so what are good trinkets lol

haughty lily
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yeah i have a 380 harlans deck but i dont wanna run shrine on 10

lofty juniper
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Would you guys run double archive for dungeons ? Or replace one for SoB

dawn merlin
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ok yes, with 2 levels aotcc is an upgrade over ss, raidbots was assuming none

daring cave
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so if TB ius simming 134DPs higher that exan, shou;ld i run it or no? or keep exan ?

dawn merlin
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aott*

cunning rapids
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hows m+ with ss nerf?

severe raven
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should i be dumping evis/rupture @ 4 CP?

cedar elk
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double dose is bis now?

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yikes ss went down far

dawn merlin
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for ST, it's good yes

lone junco
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@severe raven finish at 4+ cps

safe matrix
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4+

signal crag
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Is gemhide good?

lone junco
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Ill be running 2knife tonight. So wish me luck. no clue how to make it work, but sure as shit, im going to EP vanish vendetta Knife into a ZekVoz after I catch an orb.

dawn merlin
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ahaha

void pecan
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EP over MA?

lone junco
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they arent on the same line

void pecan
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oh yeah

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it's blindsde

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on that line