1 SS, 1 LM, 1 DD
#assassination
primal violet
primal violet
i have 370 gay callers, 370 weapons...
sudden trench
highest I can get to atm
magic dawn
im mostly missing weapons and azerite pieces :/
final stone
I need a dd
primal violet
if i switch to TB and 2 SS my sim is 12k now
violet sonnet
What traits @sudden trench
final stone
I'll prob go ss dd matrix
primal violet
the same stuff gave me 14.3k yesterday lol
raven mica
Holy shit that SS nerf just clapped the shit out of me.
chrome cave
ezclap
plain thistle
you have buffs disabled
sudden trench
1 x dd - 1 x Arc - 1 x SS
plain thistle
DH and monk buffs
inner pulsar
DId you try running it with TB?
plain thistle
maybe you have others stuffs disabled too
little sparrow
3x SS is still cash money
primal violet
hmm how can i check?
winter lance
still at 15k damn
plain thistle
"simulation options"
thorn crater
what ilvl?
onyx wind
369
plain thistle
"show all options"
thorn crater
no i mean the SB pieces
onyx wind
340 340 385
plain thistle
select "optimal raid buffs"
plain thistle
make sure you have simulationcraft adon updated
broken fiber
15.1k after nerf.. how much were you before? 16k?
onyx wind
which means this is prob even better than it seems
primal violet
@onyx wind who is that in ur thumbnail
pulsar goblet
+2 dungeons?
thorn crater
7-11
ripe yew
Why are there never any 340 dagger WQ T_T
thorn crater
zero warforged
primal violet
so not as bad but still, can anyone see if there are any glaring issues with my gear
thorn crater
barely 360 daggers
onyx wind
A weekeend i think
sonic spindle
is it ok to double up on gutripper?
pastel bough
Lol
ripe yew
What did you start with? I have a330 and a 325 atm
thorn crater
so how does the apl say u should open
raven mica
So now we just go Champion of Azeroth or something?
thorn crater
to take advantage of MA?
inner pulsar
Are you missing a ring enchant?@primal violet
wary anchor
i fukin hate sharpened blades
thorn crater
@onyx wind
onyx wind
I dont think it does
solar summit
whats EP?
onyx wind
And yet
primal violet
oh i am but thats cause i didnt do it yet, i just got that ring this morning from the chest @inner pulsar
onyx wind
it sims higher
inner pulsar
I dont meant that is the reason, I just wanted to let you know
primal violet
still at work 😦
onyx wind
Pretty sure MA > sub if youre not running exsang/SS
primal violet
so that 40 haste will help for sure
thorn crater
i literally got the worst possible items from the caches this week. rupture shoulders and fok 370 head
opal mason
https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/combinations-3a/1t-t22-assassination
Sooo still says that 3x SS is on top.
primal violet
@stuck shuttle thats a perfect example, we are practically smae item level but ur 1.3k dps higher
inner pulsar
But yeah, I dont know why you are so low
primal violet
can you tell me what i can do to improve my character?
thorn crater
equipped 355 unequipped 363
obtuse island
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
thorn crater
also i am only talking about m+ not raids... @stuck shuttle
hard plaza
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7938wurLxcYuBm569EkgLH only 250 less than i was simming with 3 x SS
thorn crater
i dont have a raiding guild
stuck shuttle
@thorn crater i think so lol
flat stump
2 x DD and 1 x AT seems to give me the most dps
sudden trench
is raidbots updated yet
stuck shuttle
@primal violet you don't have reorg array
sudden trench
with simming
hard plaza
yeah
stuck shuttle
enabled on sim
inner pulsar
Yeap
sudden trench
ty ty
lime panther
Oh that was a 3 min parse nvm
late bison
I'm not really worried about raids, Sin boss damage is usually fine. I'm just wondering if we're still desired in M+
rough flax
So as far as as m+ is concerned is sub going to be better now? I know assassination is still fine, but the nerf clearly target trash in m+ more than anything
cedar elk
is it worth sitting on 5cp and waiting for the envenom buff to get down to 1-2 seconds before using the next if youre low on energy and all other dots are up?
red fiber
Darn
broken fiber
Oh god i hope MA is not a thing for sin now
stuck shuttle
need to test on dummy
onyx wind
Looks like it is
thorn crater
@stuck shuttle what traits are u running on that sim it doesnt show
late bison
@cedar elk probably unless you cap energy
stuck shuttle
@thorn crater 1xLM 1xSS 1xDD
lone junco
@thorn crater still using SS for m+
primal violet
female orc ftw
onyx wind
im a psycho i know
formal burrow
if you can maintain 15k with no buffs or bl im pretty sure ur the best player in the game
primal violet
i am female orc too, orc too stronk for pvp
peak saffron
holy shit different sub-chats would be great for this discord.
stuck shuttle
or 1xSS 1xLM
thorn crater
@stuck shuttle which one of ur pieces has DD wtf chest is SS and shoulders are the gonk ones.
opal mason
is 11.4k DPS about right for 347?
stuck shuttle
my chest has DD
violet lintel
anyone try Archive with 2x SS? since it got a buff?
stuck shuttle
its a pvp chest
onyx wind
@formal burrow thanks
thorn crater
@lone junco rupture so much higher for me its uncanny
onyx wind
primal violet
@stuck shuttle hmm enabled re-origination array on the sim but still 1.2k behind u...https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7WkiApW9NAD4KhM5pz9add
i wish i knew what i could fix besides just getting some heroic azerite gear (hopefully tonight)
stuck shuttle
it doesn't say its enabled
rough flax
you still run 3 ss in m+? hero dmg shows it really low even in the m+ sim
stuck shuttle
according to the report
primal violet
hmm
lone junco
@thorn crater mob count and duration?
inner pulsar
That is you with the same number of stacks as Hecktix
thorn crater
1 min 3 mobs
thorny basin
whats the best time to vanish in opener with master assassin talent? Before an envenom?
inner pulsar
No worries, glad someone had a question other than "Is raidbots updated"
stuck shuttle
@thorn crater also my report is confusing because I gear compared with an azerite piece I have in my bag
thats why chest shows as an SS chest
violet lintel
Dont understand sim sites, so short answer, is SS still ok because bleh to az armor farming again lol
onyx wind
Oh
lone junco
@thorn crater try 6T 40s no buffs
flat stump
MP simming higher now yikes I dont like it
flat stump
sorry MA
thorn crater
@lone junco i will but why does herodamage have it as so bad?
timid grotto
is bloodmallet actually up to date with the ss nerf?
onyx wind
so 14.725k
flat stump
lmfao those sweet sweet pvp traits helping you out
spice nymph
I really hope SB won't be the best trait after all 
lone junco
shit
opal mason
@violet lintel herodamage is still showing it on top
thorn crater
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cofYBagTALacjQcvv3GkXg this is a feelsbad for ST
lilac lily
How do I enable Reorigination array in raidbots? My top gear says SS in my 370 chest is better then archive :thinking;:
thorn crater
double archive
opal mason
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ewpepMtYb1w4Rn2fD3gCuB
This seem low to anyone else?
stuck shuttle
thats highly inflated
lone junco
@onyx wind
flat stump
300 up from yesterday
timid grotto
SS under passive sec stat traits 
hard plaza
what talents u running @onyx wind
lone junco
thats vers.?
onyx wind
proven pumice
TB and M.Assassin?
lone junco
dat knife
void pecan
with SB
proven pumice
How big has your sharpened kniferoo been?
lofty coyote
why i sim so low?
oak grail
Is the nerf live yet?
onyx wind
Sharpeneed knife seems good
lilac lily
you dont
strange python
ya the nerf is live do we know the new BIS azirite traits?
lofty coyote
ok isee
echo cargo
Anyone got some of that Sharpened Knife WA?
hard plaza
but offers nothing aoe correct
oak grail
Live EU aswell?
dense quest
You doing 2x sb1 achi?
onyx wind
yes
lusty narwhal
Hows everyone simming now
onyx wind
seems bis for me
hard plaza
so might be worth running subterfuge
proven pumice
I assume that's for ST?
hard plaza
just for the aoe
onyx wind
yeae
dense quest
And just vanish tk?
dense quest
lol seems so awkward
onyx wind
And use knife
fringe ginkgo
I'm DD/LM/Archive with TB
peak saffron
what is TK?
stuck shuttle
its PK actually
spice nymph
Toxic Knife
stuck shuttle
Poisoned knife
spice nymph
^
dense quest
Pk
inner pulsar
Oh snap, Master Assassin now sims higher for me
flat vessel
So with Overwhelming power. Are the sims counting for the fact that you take damage almost non stop in raids?
hidden yoke
What I loved about SS was that it was good for raid/M+. What would be a good option for both? Feels like the top 2 ST ones, DD & SB, are both bad for aoe. I did lots of sims and Im still pretty undecided.
onyx wind
Have to releearn bleed stuff again
stuck shuttle
@flat vessel yes
proven pumice
Exeo are you still running SS for m+
little sparrow
SS is best for M+
flat vessel
@stuck shuttle How do they determine it?
little sparrow
and very competitive for raid
thorn crater
@onyx wind why not the agi rupture one?
little sparrow
sky is not falling
onyx wind
Because its not as good
Maybe its better this affix
Beecause of nerf+mob hp increease
hidden yoke
Oh awesome might just stick with it for a bit until things settle down and get figured out
onyx wind
Cant say for sure
flat vessel
@stuck shuttle How do they even sim taking damage?
stuck shuttle
@flat vessel they just keep the buff always active?
strange python
not even mad I cant use SB https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vycSoMfYrSevnrSogognHa
true rapids
i hate that I have to spend so much gold reforging traits for m+ and raiding 🔫
sonic spindle
Dmg removes the stacks though...
onyx wind
CLOAKBOYS
hidden yoke
I hate I have to spend gold reforging when they do balance changes, should just reset any pieces with those traits selected
flat vessel
@strange python What talents are you running?
strange python
2312321
stuck shuttle
@flat vessel i think the APL just assume the buff at full stacks
fiery sedge
Inventory get so full bringing all pieces i need for st aoe etc
slate dust
So is SS still performing well?
torpid jackal
is 2312221 the SB build now?
onyx wind
Cant say for sure
slate dust
I'm still collecting pieces before switching from outlaw
fiery sedge
Still lost like 1.4k damage
severe niche
welp
fiery sedge
With 3x ss
severe niche
it was nice knowing you fellow pink nams https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3EVKH8xrv9ph7quxunwWrh
flat vessel
@stuck shuttle So wouldn't that mean, it wouldn't produce as much damage as it says?
echo cargo
"Azerite Tuning" - Leaves all terrible traits unbuffed
thorn crater
372 ilvl wtf
severe niche
good bye pink name
stuck shuttle
thats why sims don't say it all @flat vessel
strange python
1 @severe niche lol!!!
severe niche
hello yellow name master race
void pecan
good gtfo
strange python
Love it mate /salute
stuck shuttle
@flat vessel thats what you can expect from a patchwork fight
candid jasper
Is sin still pulling ahead of sub given the trait nerf?
onyx wind
Trying to get r1 as outlaw
strange python
@severe niche what traits you running?
onyx wind
-> wipe the raid untill u get 6stack
violet lintel
does raidbots let you change traits on quick sim ?
fiery sedge
Is like rolling the dice...
quaint sequoia
they should buff underperforming traits/specs instead of nerfing fine ones
fiery sedge
I feel like nerfing feels bad to players who already got those pieces
ripe yew
Sin 5% dmg nerf when?
onyx wind
I agree Kakan
but the trait was supeer OP
in all situations
so therefore it needed a nerf
A big one
quaint sequoia
yea but fucking 40%
hard plaza
bah only have 3 Double dose a peices
onyx wind
Dont u think its hilarious
That its still viable
after a 40% nerf?
That should say enough
fiery sedge
40% is inmense
ebon bramble
shouldve been 60%
fiery sedge
But not as big as 400% buffs
thorn crater
tbh its viable only with high ilvl pieces
stuck shuttle
yet its still top 3 traits
quaint sequoia
should have 0
lone junco
4x 0 = 0
quaint sequoia
let sin shine for a while
little sparrow
i got a big 385 dagger, i woulda loved to see the numbers pre-nerf
violet lintel
40 is enough, i just got 3 SS this week thanks to my chest ;-;
true rapids
im simming lower with 3 ss but probably only becuase i have the chest that had archive buffed
stuck shuttle
@true rapids hi 😃
arctic crow
Same
stray fox
pulled a 380 dagger from m+ chest and 375 from pvp
fiery sedge
Damn
true rapids
@strange pythonctix howdy
zealous lily
stuck shuttle
@true rapids i think I have u on my FL but i don't know why lol
quaint sequoia
they should put azerite in end of dung reward in m+ so u can farm it and not fukcing rely on a once per week rng, with shit odds
true rapids
LOL
violet lintel
Ive been assassin since cata because stubborn dog.
fiery sedge
I think subs gonna be great this week
strange python
@stray fox how long does it take to do the PvP weekly ?
fiery sedge
Since infested gonna live long
thorn crater
exsang that shit
onyx wind
You mean fortifieed and not infested right?
fiery sedge
I meant the combination
lone junco
20k trash instead of 25k trash.
tribal spear
is it worth to stack sharpened blades?
onyx wind
Most people dont pull thee packs together
lusty narwhal
Raidbots up to date?
stray fox
@strange python depends how much you win if you do arena. like 10-15 games i think
onyx wind
With the infested
stray fox
you can do the math
subtle lodge
SB or SS?
waxen arch
what is SB?
stray fox
doing it through BG's takes forever i think, i never do bgs though
violet lintel
how does a SB build even work, that just sounds annoying to play lol
dapper moat
am i blind i cvant not see that fetid trinket there?
strange python
@stray fox wish i had run some arena now..
arctic crow
Do you change talents for SB?
strange python
@violet lintel 30 stack throw it
lusty narwhal
Good lord SS is total shit now on bloodmalley
fiery sedge
Its bit more rng on the fight too
onyx wind
So much shit you need to track now
dapper moat
sb as?
lusty narwhal
Rofl
fiery sedge
Reliant on uptime on boss
waxen arch
Sharpened blades trait = SB?
dapper moat
ah k
fiery sedge
Yes
onyx wind
Eh
magic dawn
did lfr, but seems like you can hold 30stacks slightly, wait for EP and toss
onyx wind
You realise
dapper moat
hah weird build it seems 😄
dapper moat
ranged rogue 😛
onyx wind
right?
fierce lantern
are you running nightstalker with SB
magic dawn
probably pair trinkets/vanish with Vendetta
fiery sedge
Thats true
arctic crow
What if SBx2/SSx1 or SBx2/Archivex1
subtle lodge
Anything changed in rotation?
arctic crow
Well shit
subtle lodge
if using SB
onyx wind
lmao
fierce lantern
thats what im running right now
fiery sedge
I gotto try my luck in siege m0 then
strange zodiac
sbx2 and archive is not bis
fiery sedge
Need that piece with sb
strange zodiac
its simming like 9% lower rn
arctic crow
Lower than
onyx wind
With what talents
subtle lodge
nemz what traits you running?
strange zodiac
good point im still using exsang
onyx wind
XD
strange zodiac
should be TB now right?
fierce lantern
TB doesnt increase the SB poisoned knife right
onyx wind
youre right
stuck shuttle
it does
sudden trench
Blightborne Infusion x 1 and 2 x dd
onyx wind
no it dont
fierce lantern
kinda sounds like it should but yea
onyx wind
Exsang is just impossiblee to use with SB
stuck shuttle
oh wow
inner pulsar
Does Battlefield Precision work in PvE?
arctic crow
It so fun on pull tho
chilly oasis
😦
onyx wind
Atleast i can hit 130k knives
soft wave
go sub and you can burst 30k
strange zodiac
fuck i have no idea what to run RN
fiery sedge
I love burst :(
lone junco
@strange zodiac same
little sparrow
at the cost of playing sub
arctic crow
I'm gonna have to sim so much later
little sparrow
the most 
spec of all time
strange zodiac
my sims are all over the place rn
upper shoal
So whats the plan azerite wise? x3 DD, SB or some sort of combo?
lone junco
did find a 220k knife throw log on mother
fierce lantern
a lot of people are in the same boat
stable holly
I did tons of sims and currently simming highest with Laser Matrix (uldir piece), DD and SS
strange zodiac
its telling me to run 1x SS 1 archive and 1 DD lol
fierce lantern
bag full of azerite gear not knowing what to do
strange zodiac
but i have 2 SB and 2 archive
onyx wind
Archive is only good because if array
cloud spindle
this might sound special but would it ever be worth it for me to just run all the traits that buff your allies?
opal mason
@strange zodiac how are you check azerite traits specifically?
frank shuttle
I've played a total of 30 minutes of sub, is it annoying to get into?
violet lintel
is archive even viable outside the raid ?
sudden trench
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3CZKDYH7V1oExeGGCWKCrM
1 x DD, 1 x Archive and 1 x BI
wintry canyon
whats bl?
subtle lodge
whats bi
rain salmon
blightborne infusion id think
violet lintel
Blightborne
hidden yoke
the crit one
wintry canyon
oh nice forgot about that
little sparrow
damn lol i have 2x SB in my bags
onyx wind
Again
Disclaimer
The thin that matters the most when it comes to what build is better for you
seems to be galecaller
void pecan
shadow blade(s)
fierce lantern
sharpened blades
violet lintel
I hate use trinkets so i dont farm gale.
arctic crow
Sling the Butterknife
onyx wind
With no gale, 2x SB 1x array seems bis
lone junco
im not playing sb. tbh.
onyx wind
Unless the traits are a downgrade in ilvl
strange python
ive heard about 50 people today say something is bis
and they are all different things
opal mason
exeo is BiS
waxen arch
Incite pack wtf? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/u66jPxPhAujoU15xFtCJZK lmao
slim olive
Lul
lilac coral
cool, DD and Dagger in the Back at the top, GLAD I DE'D
sonic spindle
Is there something special you have to do to sim traits? Herodmg shows gutripper > heed my call, but sim is showing heed is better
onyx wind
I think i tested every single talent composition with SS/SB
231xx21 is what seemed best
with 2x SB 1x array
sterile wolf
Neeew azerite system suuuuucks
stuck shuttle
With Galecaller's, you'll probably want 1xSS 1xDD 1xArchive or LM
remote oak
Ayyyyy
chrome cave
you lucky fuck
versed finch
Yeah I just got a 375 howling shiv from my chest
lone junco
@sterile wolf the costs are a pain in the ass tbh.
versed finch
Telling me to stay assassination. I have no clue what traits to run now tho
neon chasm
what is BI?
topaz gulch
Yeah but array only counts in raid right? What is being ran in m+ now
stuck shuttle
yep
sterile wolf
we're gonna neeed diffeerent azerite in raid / m+
stuck shuttle
M+ should still be SS
strange python
i just got a helm from my chest that has the 3rd SS i've been farming for all week, so much for that
sterile wolf
once again, infinite grinding for gear
onyx wind
isnt that what mmos aree designed about dudee?
stuck shuttle
M+ will probably still use 2-3xSS + CT
sterile wolf
i agree but
stuck shuttle
to stay competitive
subtle lodge
whats ct
violet lintel
I wish the origination array was just slapped on to raid azerite gear regardless, reroll cost just gets absurd lol
stuck shuttle
Crimson Tempest
quiet spruce
m
sterile wolf
how do you do if you can't even get a clean alt
neon chasm
what is SB?
stuck shuttle
Sharpened Blades
sterile wolf
sharpeened blades
strange python
CT over bomb?
stuck shuttle
for M+ yes
onyx wind
Depends on affix/dungeeon/composition
stuck shuttle
^ that too
strange python
gotcha thank you, i've been running CT all week but was going to change to bomb / TB
onyx wind
Next weeks affixes
sterile wolf
Do you think assasination will still be a bit better than Sub ? (on pure patchweerk)
stuck shuttle
but CT should be top most of the time
surreal rivet
Lost 100 dmg with nerf https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hvgMgEVcrJ8J9Qu6hx3kZ
Nice Blizz
onyx wind
assa sims higheere than sub for me
strange python
i like CT more anyways, poison bomb seems like it rarely goes off
waxen arch
I lost 1k
onyx wind
with bis sub traits
subtle lodge
Cyanide what traits?
waxen arch
So what traits is it most likely we are going to run with in Uldir?
remote oak
Not too shabby now
terse citrus
Is shrouded suffocation still our top Azerite trait post nerf
strange python
idk why you arenlt able to see other persons traits on raidbots, or maybe i'm missing a setting
surreal rivet
@subtle lodge x1 dagger in the back, x1 sharpened blades, x1 SS
vital haven
sterile wolf
y
surreal rivet
I think keeping one SS is best
onyx wind
YOU DONT NEEEED THE CP
surreal rivet
@vital haven I do
terse citrus
One SS for sure simply for the extra combo points
stuck shuttle
maybe not for the SB build
violet lintel
I think i did this wrong, lol
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oj3YyjUKJCCGuyGqpDi3zy
onyx wind
youree right
raw oracle
what does the archive of the titans +5 and +10 mean on the sims
strange python
what's MA
spare tree
What about engineering goggles-Ssc-dagger in the back and Ss? I mean that’s gotta be the better pick over 3 sharpened blades...
shadow token
post nerf archive is still simming lower than ss for me.. expected?
waxen arch
Archive is simming better than SS for me
onyx wind
Its better if it doees more dmg dude
terse citrus
So is Sharpened Blades actually worth it to put that in our rotation?
fading spade
im just gonna keep using SS fuck the nerf
stuck shuttle
look what you've done @onyx wind
fading spade
lord knows when i will see the new bis azerite pieces
strange python
sims can answer that question more than people on here can
onyx wind
im just not gonna vouch for SB anymore
late niche
so what would be a good opener for someone running one SS and toxic blade?
onyx wind
yall keep playing SS
stuck shuttle
loool
strange python
if you have 3 SBs try it, if not don't
waxen arch
Time to jump on the fuck blizz train boys!!
pulsar goblet
Why
summer yoke
Is our opener still garrote rupture garrote vendetta TB envenom mut enenvom vanish garrote twice?
pulsar goblet
Our class is fine
strange python
at least we're not windwalkers
subtle lodge
Whats the rotation on using MA/TB and SB
sudden trench
Highest I can get it with miin/maxing
1 x DD, 1 x BI and Archive x 1
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/a5RgPJJo9xohNHCUd9DRkq
strange python
the only thing they have left is karma and ToD, both of which they hate using
onyx wind
eeenvenom spam
onyx wind
3 sec left of veendetta
ripe yew
5% nerf when?
violet lintel
was my damage only at that because of no buffs (flasks are 4k a pop here, so no thanks xD_
rain salmon
or BI
onyx wind
u use vanish
strange zodiac
My DDx1 SSx1 and archive is still simming higher than 3x SB with toxic blades
onyx wind
and knife on .5 sec of vendetta
waxen arch
all i wanna know is what traits to use in Uldir
spiral river
are u guys simming TB higher then xsang?
subtle lodge
Then after that at how many stacks do we knife
onyx wind
yees
north spruce
@sudden trench still not too shabby!
onyx wind
28
fading spade
my exang and tb are simming evenly
subtle lodge
Thanks exeo
fading spade
like 3dps difference
sudden trench
@north spruce lost dps tho
strange zodiac
my ex is higher
onyx wind
You should time it so your ping will throw a dagger when it hits 30
north spruce
Kinda a given lol
onyx wind
Since it has delay
I think it counts stacks as you hit the targte
not when you throw
sudden trench
@north spruce I need shoulders, still on 340's
lilac coral
north spruce
@sudden trench yee im lucky I have 2x 370 archive pieces
lilac coral
quite a tumble there
north spruce
Yet still 350/345 weps lol
onyx wind
2x archivee is not good
grim mason
Anyone have tol' keys need a farm group lol
grim mason
sorry I know this isnt the pplace
waxen arch
i feel like DD will be more fun to play than SB
onyx wind
Thats true
lusty narwhal
this is...
lofty sand
I can go 2x DD and Archive or 2x SoB and Archive, did you guys test any of those or just SB?
lusty narwhal
2x SB is only 25 damage higher than 2x SS for me lol
fading spade
guess its back to farming for DD gear
lusty narwhal
what a joke
onyx wind
I didnt teest DD
fading spade
bloodmallet is sayin that outside of raid gear pieces with DD are best to get
arctic crow
Isn't DD just flat smg increase
fading spade
yup
magic zenith
3x SB with MA is 500 dps lower for me, probably because all my pieces are still 340
onyx wind
@magic zenith TB?
magic zenith
yes
magic zenith
Vigor?
fading spade
always run vigor
lofty sand
I think I'm gonna run DD and archive for now, I'd like to try the SB build but I havent got a single piece
magic zenith
Problem is my SS chest is 385
arctic crow
SB and SS can't really be used together seems like?
fading spade
yeah im rockin a 370 ss chest
magic zenith
and 355 archive hat
serene hinge
for higher keys on fort weeks does assa outperform outlaw?
fading spade
like i dont wanna drop that ilvl aint worth it
serene hinge
or just in general which rogues are better as keys get higher?
arctic crow
Change the SS to archive
violet lintel
ya i got the heroic raid chest with SS from the 4 mythic dungeons i was so happy lol
arctic crow
On the chest
onyx wind
^
lofty sand
Now for DD we're probably running Master Assassin I suppose, I gotta look up the proper opening and timings for it
radiant fossil
Dat feel when blizzard nerf SS trait but you do not even have one 😂
lofty sand
yeah I think so but I dont have any SB pieces
onyx wind
oh
lofty sand
will need to farm for those
fading spade
2 stacks is a 20point difference on flat sims
on the BM chart
but for individual it varies depending mostly on haste
blazing tulip
simcraft is telling me to use traits that I know are wrong
sterile wolf
how do you sim different Azerite power ?
blazing tulip
just because of 15 ilvl on the gear
kind dock
Simmed highes twith 1 BI, 1 SS, 1 Twist the knife but my TWK is 15 ilvl higher than my next helm
onyx wind
Yeah i guess it deepends on gear a lot
kind dock
pulled 11k for 5m on dummy without flask or hero
versed apex
@sterile wolf On Raidbots, choose "Top Gear" and you can select different powers
onyx wind
Atleast i know whats bis for me ^_^
lofty sand
thats because its intended, thats what blizzard meant with ilvl is king I think
minor zinc
how much dps did you guys lose on average with the shrouded nerf? in patchwork/m+?
sterile wolf
k ty
dapper moat
simming trinket and bloodmallet list gives me different info which to trust? 😄
sullen robin
trust the sims
late niche
what is BI?
dapper moat
kk ty
waxen arch
I lost about 1k dps I think
chrome cave
still the best trait for m+ by far
blazing tulip
the same as@waxen arch , around 1-2k
only checked on lfr as all 3 bosses are basically dummies
crude hinge
hey guys, really quickly i was wondering if anyone knew how to optimize raidbots sims to mythic+'s as thats the only content I do
lofty sand
I think most people that have triple SS are keeping it for m+ since it works so well there
twilit belfry
yeah i went from 15k to like 13900
queen monolith
Having 3 SS stacks i only lost 70 dps
twilit belfry
and i tried to make assassin work in m+
but you can really feel it man.
its not terrible, but its not amazing either.
opal mason
That sounds like it's....
waxen arch
I'm just worried about the raid tomorrow lmao
opal mason
Bsalanced
twilit belfry
yeah I was trying to be an optimist
onyx wind
Who was 20% ahead of the second best
opal mason
Balanced*
onyx wind
Sad day
twilit belfry
if it was a 20% nerf it'd of been okay
blazing tulip
CT still strong
queen monolith
twilit belfry
but i was struggle bussin to get my trash dps up around 15k
onyx wind
Pretty sure its not that bad
twilit belfry
compared to the usual 20-30k
grim mason
archive pieces is only from uldir?
surreal palm
Quick question on Exsanguinate. After using it, is it safe to refresh dots for pandemic, or does refreshing remove the 2x tick multiplier?
onyx wind
Maybe youre jsut depreesseede about neerfs and playing worse?
lofty sand
Rogue in general will always be good to have in m+, the super damage was just a plus
median marsh
Don't refresh
exotic bridge
with 3x SS tilt?
twilit belfry
yessir
onyx wind
Im pretty sure 3x garrote in itself is like 15-18k dps
twilit belfry
Im rank 5-10 on my server for m+
onyx wind
Sooooo
twilit belfry
and im not being biased, and have like 90-98% parses on most m+ dungeons lol
waxen arch
So guys, is there a way to restore gear from the scrapper? LMAO
violet lintel
I think my issue is i dont have proper pieces/rotation to make SS work... i need to fix my trinkets but im not buying fathoms lol
twilit belfry
Im just giving you honest feed back on my experience since nerf
onyx wind
You have high parses and ur doing 15k dps?
sick monolith
You can restore gear for free every two weeks on battlenet
arctic isle
rank 5-10 on his server POGGERS
twilit belfry
lol do you read
arctic crow
Ya this Tilt guys sucks
oblique copper
you don't need pieces to make SS work other than the azerite ones, obviously
chrome cave
200 population server Pogchamp
surreal rivet
Nerf legit didn’t lower my dps
arctic crow
😂
oblique copper
just don't use the forth garrote while empowered ones are ticking
onyx wind
I think youre just overreeacting
strange python
how the f didn't it lower your dps
onyx wind
Its a big nerf to AOE
surreal rivet
Lowered by like 50
strange python
How
onyx wind
Yes
strange python
I went from 14.2K to 13K
strange python
Now with switched gear I'm like 13.3K
onyx wind
I had 30k dps on trash beeforee
twilit belfry
have you done a fortified key?
surreal rivet
I did a +12 and I was fine
calm grail
I swapped some gear around and I only lost 100 DPS but I'm not using SS on patchwerk now.
Just have to adapt.
twilit belfry
well go try it man idk what to tell you lol
strange python
Just have to accept going backwards in progression each hotfix
twilit belfry
lemme know how it goes, wasn't being a debby .
onyx wind
When i tried?
twilit belfry
yeah go for it .
strange python
I'm simming lower dps than I did as outlaw and sub before those got their first nerfs
lilac coral
item restoration CD, just end me
onyx wind
Alright
surreal rivet
Exsang is still good for priority
queen monolith
R
twilit belfry
I was in here earlier trying to be an optimist about the nerf, and Im not saying its terrible just that the trash dps is way down
which is a big nerf to overall.
shadow token
@surreal rivet you used weekly apl so no shit it didnt change
queen monolith
Still running 3 SS only lost me 70 dps, is raidbots not working correctly or is this right?
strange python
LOL
twilit belfry
which is half a big deal in m+, more so this week because teeming and fortified.
strange python
Cyanide
spare carbon
very satisfyin
strange python
Sim again
lone junco
I'll try knife tonight. But will fall back to SS if im not in my normal spot.
onyx wind
Since garrotee is 60-70% dmg before
zenith trellis
so either we get the raid gear.. or we hope to god we get bis weeky lchest gear...
twilit belfry
also gonna try SoB in a key later, just to see how it works.
weak isle
people still losing their mind?
tranquil dust
@surreal rivet what traits u running
lofty sand
Well if the aoe is not completely horrible like Feral cat levels of horrible then its fine. I don't remember assassin ever being really reliable aoe anyways
calm grail
I got a 385 Dagger int the back chest and it sims great
keen spruce
Aight... so with the hotfixes, this new azerite piece sims higher than my last SS piece
calm grail
SS still better for dungeons though
keen spruce
should I just change my opener, take the damage hit, or just kms
strange python
this new azerite trait system is fucking GARBAGE
arctic isle
why is it garbage
lusty narwhal
how isnt it garbage
arctic isle
u dont fucking answer my question with a question
surreal rivet
arctic isle
yea so im not answering
strange python
because it costs fucking loads of gold and you have to sit there and sim like 15 million different combinations
arctic isle
lol
tacit cave
Do we still run subterfuge if we have no SS traits
strange python
it's TRASH
It's a talent tree tied to gear that is super hard to farm
#princess memer
lilac coral
it doesn't solve the problem it was invented to solve
arctic isle
lmao u dont have to respec every 2 mins
lusty narwhal
it did
arctic isle
thats ur problem
deft locust
Hmm
no matter what combination of talents or gear
triple SS still sims highest for me
😮
surreal rivet
@strange python
lusty narwhal
then use that
arctic isle
u say u have to sim 15 million times then say u have to reforge 15 million times
that makes no sense
lofty sand
well dude if you're upset with the azerite pieces changing you might wanna get used to it, today they announced they will be expanding on it. That means more traits, more tuning more changing.
arctic isle
at all
strange python
Where can I find the rogue changes that were announced today?
You have to reforge because blizz might decide your trait is too popular
noble gyro
Make sure it’s set to nightly
arctic isle
changes happen weekly
zenith trellis
how do i set it to nightly?
kind dock
Exsanguinate sims 30dps less than toxic blade.. Do i just stay with exs cause im lazy? haha
arctic isle
L
violet lintel
default options for sim used
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/46R4Kju6aVa9Exo42pJgK6
lofty sand
Are you new to mmorpgs? thats how balance works, if your shit is too strong they hit it and you have to adapt
literally every game ever made
arctic crow
It's not hard to get the traits, the ilvl is the issue. Makes it like getting a legendary that's tired to your rotation
strange python
Yeah but usually it's just a talent that's overtuned
strange python
Not gear that becomes fucking obsolete because they change it
calm grail
What I was able to cobble togethjer
lofty sand
they done it with gear a million times
strange python
I kinda like that throwing knife trait
strange python
Yeah but this is an entire system that's supposed to last the entire expansion
It's not 1 2 set bonus or something
It's a talent nerf and a gear nerf rolled into one
arctic isle
i just got a 385 ap chest and cant equip it because SS is way too strong on my 340 😡 😡 hey they nerfed the op trait fuck u blizzard 😂
lofty sand
change a talent and suddenly your whole "x status build' is wrong and you have to regear
keen spruce
Okay so my highest simming gearset no longer has SS on it. am I just going back to a legion rotation, dropping subterfuge, keeping SS and taking the dps hit, or eating tide pods?
lilac coral
and it's supposed to kill the idea of needing set bonuses for content, yet look at what the top traits are
blazing cobalt
I don't like how flavor of the week the azerite traits are, they are pushing the whole rat race feeling of gearing to a level ive never seen.
strange python
That we can agree on .leo.
tacit cave
do we still run subterfuge without SS traits
visual mist
after nerf, is shrouded suffocation still best trait?
strange python
no
lofty sand
Right now we don't have enough info to say Spookables, some people are just testing around what works best for their own characters
strange python
but it's still decent
lofty sand
triple SS is still the safest bet you can make for now, until all the testing and simming is done
surreal rivet
@Nadem#3489 x1 SS x1 SB x1 DITB
grim mason
Its not terrible even though all the folks here are running around like chicken little yelling the sky is falling
zenith trellis
when u sim ur highest with 2x archive
tranquil spade
Fan Of Blades x3 obviously is BiS
zenith trellis
FeelsBad
keen spruce
I'm getting showered in mediocre high ilvl azerite
so my SS traits are getting edged
stone quartz
!sims
prisma monolithBOT
BfA Simulations:
Herodamage: https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html
visual mist
those are updated?
limpid cosmos
hey guys im a 360 ilv assassination rogue swapped over from outlaw because i hated the RNG and i had 3 SS traits on my farmed gear and assumed i would be doing way more dmg. this is my sim 5 minutes ago, im seeing most assassination rogues areound my ilvl are pulling upwards of 13k on sims and im only puling 10k...my outlaw dmg and assasssination dmg is almost identical how do i get my dmg up?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jdp7aBMZ2PGrAYcKKx5WTS
blazing cobalt
Better than my situtation of being showered in 340 sitting at 365 ilevel now lol
visual mist
grim mason
trinkets and wep, and rotation opener?
strange python
construct overcharger
arctic crow
Ya that trinekt is Garbo
strange python
You might as well buy Fathoms
visual mist
limpid cosmos
harlems at 365 and construct overcharge at 370
trail otter
Is Exsang still better after SS nerfs?
gusty plinth
ss still bis
visual mist
wich of those two do i get?
arctic isle
ss stil bis? wat are u even saying
lofty sand
SS is still very powerful for a lot of people
strange python
For ST yeah
arctic isle
are we just going to ignore the sims
arctic isle
ok
strange python
well for individual characters
zenith trellis
i tried simming 1 SS vs having 2x archives
limpid cosmos
so your telling me im missing out on 3-4k because of a single trinket? like fathoms
zenith trellis
and the archives won
strange python
I like using :tb:
arctic mulch
is SS worth doing if i only have 2? My 3rd is shite. I do have 3xSB though.
vapid flint
Wow i just looked at the new graph for our azerite trait and SS is 12th down now
deft locust
Is Frenetic Corpuscle updated in the sims? I heard it's proc rate was increased by a lot
strange python
Where did the emoji go
deft locust
anyone know if we've seen an update on that
gusty plinth
for me archieves loses
zenith trellis
im 362 atm
visual mist
is bloodmallet already updated with new thing?
waxen arch
bro raidbots is telling me to use incite the pack wtf
arctic mulch
i simmed and 3xSB is higher, but i was wondering if i should do 2xSS for M+
zenith trellis
surreal rivet
I mean I’m only using one ss for CP
remote oak
Tfw someone references the noxxic guide for sin rotation
zenith trellis
tired spindle
@gusty plinth what traits are you running atm?
zenith trellis
FeelsBadMan
remote oak
That big brained hemorrhage
violet lintel
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/46R4Kju6aVa9Exo42pJgK6
this is 3x SS for me
ornate gazelle
Opening is the same regardless of how many shrouded suff traits you have as long as you have one, correct?
gusty plinth
@tired spindle you see it when you click that what i linked
waxen arch
@feral nest what traits do u have?
feral nest
1xSS 1xDD 1xLM
surreal rivet
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iacxY1NT1mVNfr3Z9wHjUG x1 SB, x1 SS, x1 DITB
feral nest
I have another 355 LM but sims better with DD
unborn leaf
is 3 ss still bis for m+?
strange python
My helm hasn't updated yet
undone hill
whats SB?
vapid flint
I bet asssa rogue falls down in logs now feelsbadman
waxen arch
Sharpened blades
feral nest
Yeah
waxen arch
Yes
stuck shuttle
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2sNruZB5Sw622Ccr9bS6Qi Falling down logs?
strange python
I just added that trait but it didnt update
stuck shuttle
idk about that
feral nest
Works with poisoned knife