@moody why fix a dead trait
#assassination
opal mason
dire steeple
EU isnt nerfed yet
slender peak
Lol its not dead just shitty now
proud ore
i just simmed so many azerite traits against eachother and the combinations only range like 0-2% in DPS difference:
opal mason
I'm just teasing
proud ore
slender peak
Whats better for m+ scent?
opal mason
ss will be fine
onyx wind
wrong
rain ibex
nerf frost mages or DHs those are the broken classes.
onyx wind
its gonna make sin worsee
opal mason
Because assassin was super out performing
rain ibex
well then, i guess we are all going sub
daring imp
the fuck
slender peak
@opal mason I just like blizz tuning method dont fix anything just nerf the good traits
onyx wind
rustic acorn
sub in mm+ ? isn't it a bit shitty
onyx wind
there we go
onyx wind
its
opal mason
@slender peak yeah man I mean I get you, but ss was so much higher than everything else
lilac coral
not even bothering with SB cause that shit needs a nerf more than SS did
onyx wind
vendetta, nightstalker, EP, 3x SB
royal lantern
you want them too buff 40 other traits instead of nerfing 1 trait that was op as hell @slender peak ?
daring imp
oh ns
static wind
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
tacit crater
How dare people expect Blizzard to actually nerf a trait and buff/balance others. Darn indie companies.
tight hinge
im still simming higher in aoe as sin but loses out in ST to sub, sin for M+ sub for raiding i guess?
slender peak
Im fine with the nerf ss was op but make something else interesting enough to use in its place if you want to kill it
magic thistle
how the fuck you gonna nerf a trait and not bug fix it
royal lantern
sin and sub do different stuff for raid fight....and there are...how many fights in uldir wich are 100% st?
magic thistle
fucking assfucks
tidal sedge
hmm
pastel vault
Asa might still be the mythic vectis spec
lilac coral
we have the fun and interactive gameplay of our .. throwing knife .. to fill the void
fringe ginkgo
"want to make gearing decisions more intuitive" btw
wary anchor
3x bits sub or 2x sb + 1 laser assas?
magic thistle
guess what my mthic 10 385 shoulders are a dps loss from my 340s. Cool expax
amber fiber
Do admins ever provide advice here? I’m genuinely curious, as I’m new.
amber fiber
Or is it just everyone spamming opinions?
solid nova
@amber fiber Yes.
arctic crow
3min sim
amber fiber
Nice.
opal mason
No one knows right now man
junior aurora
yeah that sim was only 3 min doesn't count
opal mason
It literally this morning.
prisma pond
Most of the info is in the pins and the best way to find an upgrade is to sim yourself.
opal mason
^^^
strange python
people crying abut SS nerf not wise enough to admit it was actually OP, especially 3x
lethal jungle
Is raid bots updated?
opal mason
Notice no assassin guide cause IM A FUCKING PRO
lilac coral
@strange python not so much that it was nerfed, it's that they didn't fix the bug
daring cave
what are some decent traits to run now.?
viral juniper
guys on Bloodmallet, what is Laser Matrix +10?
opal mason
GET EM BOIS
stuck shuttle
+10 is your reoriginatio array stacks
rain ibex
well SS is barely better now
opal mason
But its better
frank furnace
Last evening of M+ pre nerf bois, going to savour it
stuck shuttle
so all the Uldir Azerite pieces should be BiS now
stuck shuttle
1xArchive 1xLaser 1xSS
rain ibex
now we need to raid. 😦
fresh robin
So i had 2 340 ss before this change... have zero SB traits; my best combo atm is like 14.9k dps with 385 twist the knife, 340 blightbourne infusion, and 355 champion of azeroth... 0 SS
a+
strange python
dapper moat
how come here bot says its better to use 2x titans talent pieces even though they do not stack?
just because its 15 item level higher?
fresh robin
wasnt a question lol, i been simming all morning just kinda gonna be weird with no SS in rotation >.>
agi is pretty big
rain ibex
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nk6ddGxoSpDQTYGtJsedRj
this is with 3x SS on 5min fight, dropped 700dps in an hour
tardy yoke
Is raidbots updated at this point?
dapper moat
by here i mean this..
stuck shuttle
so according to Herodamage, SB is only best if you run x3
dapper moat
hmm
stuck shuttle
and even then, you would want atleast 1x Archive
zenith oak
what is the "nightly" version of raidbots ?
stuck shuttle
that means its the most recent APL
dapper moat
so 3xss still best?
stuck shuttle
no
rain ibex
it is for m+
opal mason
The fuck?
stuck shuttle
Probably 1xSS 1xLM 1xArchive
strange python
it depends on ur gear
stuck shuttle
for raid atleast
fresh robin
@opal mason never had 3x SS only duo, and it seems ilvl is outweighing the other options from the flat agi standpoint
dapper moat
kk
strange python
its weird its like simming will give you teh best information for your class
ancient compass
So numbers wise the nerf isn’t looking too bad?
dusky tiger
what trait do you have @tardy yoke
tardy yoke
2x SS, 1 archives
viscid onyx
SS is Shrouded Suffocation
tropic rover
SoB or Archive?
rain ibex
herodamage says that blightborne infusion is the best for m+ now
stuck shuttle
thats because it doesnt include stealthing in between pulls
unreal coyote
herodamage is nto updated
dusky tiger
1SB-1SS-1archi should be better you think?
stuck shuttle
it considers chain pulling
stuck shuttle
no stealthing in between
rain ibex
oh alright
stuck shuttle
hero damage is updated now
tranquil dust
i lost about 700
stuck shuttle
just now
tranquil dust
dps
proven ice
Don’t take sharpened blades to m+
unreal coyote
i just refreshed
strange python
I can confirm SS is still far and away best dungeon trait lmao
unreal coyote
says 16th
strange python
just tried running without that shit is miserable
manic nexus
but is assa still the best dungeon spec 
rain ibex
@strange python are you playing on US where the hotfix is out?
strange python
yes
rain ibex
How much are you feeling the nerf?
proud ore
anyone got a wea aura for sharpened blades 30 stack
rain ibex
Still better then Outlaw in dungeons?
strange python
about to do my first since nerf with SS on Ill let you know
tranquil dust
700 for me
rain ibex
600 for me
kind roost
i mean
manic nexus
i think outlaw is better in M+ if you do big dick pulls but at 10 or higher assa will be much better
strange python
700 for me as well
manic nexus
could be wrong
oak hull
is there a version where i can sim b4 nerf?
stuck shuttle
u can just look up your past nerfs on raidbots
if you ahve an account
@oak hull
i mean past sims*
oak hull
aight thanks @stuck shuttle
haughty flame
wuts SB
lethal jungle
Shadow blades
wintry parcel
Quick question regarding Double Dose: How do you get lethal poisons on both weapons? It seems that when I have Deadly on main and go to apply Wound, it overwrites Deadly. Or maybe I'm just stupid and not interacting with the skill properly
thin plinth
are there any boys from NA who can tell me if assa feels alot weaker
haughty flame
lol
rain ibex
lol
tranquil dust
Yes
stuck shuttle
deadly poisons applies to both
jade sail
I'm running assa for ST and outlaw for cleave, have only 1 SS trait but should i be using exsang or toxic blades?
stuck shuttle
u dont have to apply it 2x
wheat zealot
marble knoll
@jade sail sim
jade sail
yeah you right
solar summit
how are you simming postnerf?
lethal jungle
Check the pins Bruh
void pecan
14400 -> 13625 dps. .Phew.
wintry parcel
So just for clarity's sake, Deadly and Crippling would technically be applied to both weapons? It's not like before when you'd apply one poison to one and a second poison to another
stuck shuttle
if you apply 2 separate poisons
kind roost
ye axel
opal mason
i should be simming more than 11k @ 347, yeah?
stiff leaf
i simmed all my specs now, even if i get a 370 ouutlaw weapon tomorrow... assa still strongest
crisp gate
I want to play a diff class now but my next character close to 120 is a shadow priest >·<
RIP
wintry parcel
Appreciate that
solar summit
is raidbots updated?
opal mason
omfg
lethal jungle
I’m at 356 simming at 12.8 feels bad
kind roost
opal mason
unborn leaf
@crisp gate Rogues are still good lol.
proven ice
So double dose has a 25% chance without venom buff and a 64% chance with
onyx wind
epic nice
opal mason
go to the website
main blaze
14900 (3xSS) - > 14800 (1xSS, 1 Archive, 1 swirling sands)
opal mason
SS is not dead
marble knoll
assa isn’t even dead like people are freaking out
lethal jungle
Is that pre nerf Ss @main blaze
plain thistle
swirling sands lul 🤔
daring cave
I have only one SS and its saying to keep it not Archive of titians
strange python
ripe geyser
exeo how can it? you have 2 stacks now only xd
stuck shuttle
@onyx wind i think all 3 azerite pieces in Uldir should be best
onyx wind
Yeah
proven ice
No
violet sonnet
the greatest thing is they nerfed it by 40% before we could use it without it being bugged
omegalul
celest mirage
is siming hectic add cleave a good measure of how traits perform in m+?
strange python
best ST gear combo for me doesnt use SS... kinda sucks because no bonus omcbo points
onyx wind
Its better than 3x SB
proven ice
It’s still bugged btw
ripe geyser
Yes the uldir pieces are really big, after 10 weeks farming the bosses inside xd
crisp gate
This is why blizzard needs to make 3stacking or even 2 stacking not a thing anymore. buff the traits to compensate for the loss, but whenever a change to one trait is made everyone has to farm for different gear
stuck shuttle
@ripe geyser even at 3 stacks, the uldir traits should be best for raid
onyx wind
compared to 3x SS, 1xSB 2xSS, 2x SS 1x uldir
main blaze
@lethal jungle 14900 is pre nerf and 14800 is post
cosmic pier
master assassin pulling slighty ahead for me atm, hmm https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/te58d6xnEkje9onbERHqcp
lone junco
Oy. I'm sub 13k now. Weak boi
delicate gull
Wait we legion again
onyx wind
Masteer assassin is better for me aswelel
proven ice
Fuuuck
stuck shuttle
people who had 3xSS took the biggest hit
sinful lotus
@cosmic pier @onyx wind Master Assassin is better but what azerite traits are you guys using?
onyx wind
3x SB
zenith trellis
so its laser matrix and archive stacking now?
ripe geyser
@cosmic pier what traits u run on that sim?
onyx wind
since i havee no uldir trait
solar zealot
Exeo x3👌
viral juniper
SB is for pure ST or?
onyx wind
yes
little sparrow
viral juniper
what do you crit with it
onyx wind
180k
little sparrow
Don't even know how much I lost, but idc
solar zealot
Just had to bring it back real quick.
onyx wind
nah kidding
opal sierra
SB is sharpenblade?
viral juniper
180k xD
compact wind
it's still worth using 3s?
stuck shuttle
@solar zealot thats a dead meme ok
viral juniper
hm okay
lone junco
@onyx wind knife apl is still vanish rupture.
solar zealot
Fine!
strange python
how often do you get that 100k though?
solar zealot
opal sierra
Hi guys what is SB?
lethal jungle
@main blaze I’m going to go home and let you know what’s Gucci with me
strange echo
@opal sierra Sharpened Blades
zenith trellis
so uldir pieces are by far the best now it seems? or am i reading this wrong
opal sierra
Ok I c
solar zealot
I am so bored at work.
sullen robin
:puke: SB
stuck shuttle
@onyx wind im sure your 395 rot scour plays a big part in that too
onyx wind
in average every 150sec
stuck shuttle
lol
onyx wind
But if you use masteer assassin it would beee more often
strange python
that doesn't seem great for consistent damage
onyx wind
i get a 50k hit ever 30 sec
cosmic pier
also blightborne infusion simming best trait in my shoulders (only 340s avail), guess its because my crit is lowish? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pEf3nWwLjWEkCzMNw9zMAb
pastel vault
Set up the vendetta night stalker mother 3rd room crit
opal sierra
Yep I get 100k as well when it crit
onyx wind
If you get 100% vuln
opal sierra
3X SB
strange python
only have one SB piece sigh
sullen robin
cant wait for SB to be nerfed by 40% too
pastel vault
360 with double damage bonus
opal sierra
Wow I think blizzard will nerf SB next XD
viral juniper
so SB is for sub stronger?
rose loom
Haste is still simming higher for me at almost 18%
lethal jungle
Hold up wtf what’s critting for that much?
onyx wind
knifee throw
opal sierra
But u need to have SB
onyx wind
^
opal sierra
In order to get that damage
proven ice
What’s vulnerability?
stuck shuttle
some bosses have vuln phase
onyx wind
stuff that makes targeet take more dmg
stuck shuttle
like mother
proven ice
Ah
stuck shuttle
and Ghuun
onyx wind
and some people useee it to talk about orb aswell
on zek
wheree u get +100% dmg
basically another amplifier to ur dmg
proven ice
Got it
onyx wind
specifically for a boss
opal sierra
Lol sin rogue still looks strong xD
median mason
That's good
stuck shuttle
no were weak af
strange python
so with SB you just do a normal rotation and only use throw when it's at max stacks?
stuck shuttle
shhh
tranquil dust
gut ripper heed my call or overhwleming power?
median mason
All rogue specs should be good
stuck shuttle
we need to be under the radar now
proven ice
Still waiting for sub pvp buffs.
opal sierra
But what talent u use exeo I man for tier 6
onyx wind
uhh
opal sierra
Ok I c
stuck shuttle
3x
languid harness
Lol
opal sierra
I will sin myself when I back to home later
cosmic pier
so how should i use vanish in my opener with 0 SS and master assassin?
opal sierra
But I think right now sub and sin rogue r very close to each now
exotic bridge
ok im gonna spam M+ so i can farm some SB azerite pieces
muted jacinth
"gutted"
cosmic pier
cant get azerite pieces in m+
wispy estuary
anyone knows what is the +5, +10 means in front of the uldir traits on bloodmallet?
exotic bridge
light kestrel
So, is anyone noticing a huge nerf to our burst? I'm not bursting anywhere close to what I was pre-nerf
thorn crater
when a bm trait gets a 400% buff
stuck shuttle
40% bonus damage to trait
muted jacinth
the traits used to equal 1500 more damage to garrote
tiny vapor
Gutted for ONE TRAIT
muted jacinth
tooltip is 13k
tiny vapor
Still fine in ST
wary anchor
whts opener with sb?
muted jacinth
if garrote eas like 6k damage then yeah. but ss still isnt that bad
exotic bridge
Ion, what do you mean I cannot get azerite from M+
pastel vault
Same panic it need to stack up
unborn leaf
only m0 @exotic bridge
onyx wind
opener with SB
i think
delay veendetta a bit
likee 3-4 sece
and then cast 30stack at the last sec
of vendetta
maybe only 2-3 sec
depending on haste
unborn leaf
@ vaxx and is a weekly lockout once you do it once
tranquil dust
ur running shaprend bladeS?
thick comet
sub simming 400 dps higher for me 
somber otter
that y im sub now
thick comet
i got shit traits tho
thorn crater
basically bliz pushing for sub for raiding
thick comet
still no uldir azerite 😃
elder cypress
archive is bis now?
thorn crater
gotta have 5 rogues to kill zul in mythic boys
thick comet
wonder if the 400 theoretical dps is worth it though, getting one mechanic when i pop symbols and having to run out might cut that out right there
fiery cradle
stuck shuttle
@elder cypress according to hero damage, the raid azerite pieces should be BiS
elder cypress
lucky i have two
void pecan
That's how you fix ilevel scaling.
stuck shuttle
as they should be tho
orchid field
Is the SS bug fixed with Tuesday patch or nah?
stable holly
They should make uldir trinkets not complete ass next
cosmic pier
war mode off disable pvps talents yeah? so i can practice on dummy properly?
calm barn
how is DD doing against SB?
calm barn
k thanks
slender peak
So according to hero damage SS is ded now :/ rip
stuck shuttle
not dead
slim wigeon
why is the 2nd and 3rd SS so much better than the first? shouldnt it be worse since the cp doesnt stack?
calm barn
good for m+, worse for ST
grave elk
if i play sub, does swapping loot spec actually do anything for rogues?
calm barn
only for outlaw
hollow cloak
we still play bleed build?
stable holly
@stuck shuttle what combo u running for raid atm
oak grail
Is raidbots updated now?
grave elk
Im at a weird spot. im 364 sub rogue. but i dont have any good traits on my azerite gear for sin.... do i just hold off for now?
stable holly
Is that by choice or your loot limiting u
stuck shuttle
thats whats best for me rn
charred raptor
Is there a way to tell how many stacks for Archive of the Titans you have?
slim wigeon
herodamage shows the samething. is there a bug with simc or am i missing something
stuck shuttle
370 LM 370 DD 340 SS
thorn crater
SS shows being trash for m+ whereas it seems ok in ST
stuck shuttle
if you're looking at SS
grave elk
Is there a passive or talent that lets garrote aoe? i thought i heard something like that
elder cypress
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/amMigxK67L79Dp8i4bAkxn simming less compared to 3xss mhh
slim wigeon
the first SS shouldn't be that much lower even if its not exsang
thorn crater
i am
hybrid thicket
Why the laser matrix is so good ? I mean its more for aoe ? Or ?
thorn crater
x3 scent trait is much better
stuck shuttle
@elder cypress 2 mins tho?
tight hinge
if you get all 3 pieces from uldir u gonna do 1xSS 1xLM 1xArchive?
elder cypress
i sim again lul
thorn crater
even worse for TB build
stuck shuttle
@tight hinge yes
hybrid thicket
@thorn crater did tried it in paxis ?
strange python
hero damage says DD is better than SB, but raidbots isn't updated yet - is that right?
thorn crater
@hybrid thicket its what it says on hero dmg
stuck shuttle
raidbots is updated
silent scaffold
I thought raidbots was updated
gilded mirage
is Raidbots updated for the changes to the Frenetic Carpustule (sp?) trinket? Proc rate was buffed by 4x
thorn crater
when u say specific gear hecktix?
strange python
raidbots says it was last updated over 8 hours ago
hollow stone
Incoming next question of the day: "does dd stack?"
thorn crater
all in all we got the D for absolutely no reason
stuck shuttle
With or without Galecallers essentially
Galecallers makes Exsang still good
and u wont run exsang with SB
hybrid thicket
@thorn crater ah ok, anyway gonna check it tomorrow in praxis how it is going. If its trash I am like 80% rerolling to DH XD
elder cypress
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fDjwLXTAhp2bPu6gRE4TUo didnt get better 😄
hollow cloak
atm bleed build better or people go toxic blade?
zenith trellis
so if i was running 2 SS and i now have 2 archives should i just reroll to the archives?
thorn crater
@stuck shuttle so basically u need to stand still on ur galecallers if u got exsang on otherwise ure dead
stuck shuttle
nah exsang snap shots
thorn crater
non buffed archives outside of uldir seem bad
hybrid thicket
Yea that trait is BiS only for raid
hollow stone
So. Just to be clear. Sim yo self.
hybrid thicket
Also, you clear the raid in first day maybe next and thats it you got useless trait for the rest of the week 😛
tidal sedge
is double dose simming well?
stuck shuttle
yes
hybrid thicket
Reforges are stacking up pretty fast
zenith trellis
seems double archive sims better on me lmao 100dps
but doese it count it as if its inside uldir or outside?
hybrid thicket
Going to get expensive changing traits often
slate agate
nerfs are live also on EU right?
solar zealot
Your stacks are only active in the raid. Otherwise it's 0 stacks.
scenic nacelle
So stupid to have a specific raid buffed item. Zandalar raid comes out, trash your uldir pieces. Nice.
hollow stone
Anyone know if dd can proc on fok?
icy iris
How do you guys track Empowered Garrotes?
lone junco
Weak aura.
median mason
Zandalar raid confirmed?
hybrid thicket
Casting only 3 garottes
icy iris
@lone junco Sorry i meant like how do you code it
hollow stone
I think its just mutilate?? Im at work and cant look
clever coral
So if i get it right, SS is still Good if u have 2/3 stack bit otherwise its DD if u only have it on one trait?
warped oyster
what does lazer matrix +10 mean.. is that with killing the bosses to unlock
proven ice
fok doesn't hit with both weapons so cant proc dd
stuck shuttle
@warped oyster that means your array stacks
blissful dove
This may sound like a dumb question, but does nightstalker not apply to rupture anymore?
it's unchanged on tooltip along with garrote during stealth
and testing it doesn't seem to make a difference either
true rapids
is twist the knife worth it or should i focus on double dose or sharpened blades?
unkempt marsh
Sorry to ask such a simple question, but at how many targets is it worth to refresh crimson tempest, 2?
floral pawn
Haven't been able to play. How big was this nerf?
timber mauve
Yuge
late niche
nightstalker works while you are stealthed so you actually have to apply dots, vanish and then walk around 
echo cargo
Is the opener for 1x+ SS and Exsang still the same?
floral pawn
So it's back to subt then i guess
blissful dove
you're kidding
rustic acorn
anyone could enlighten me on how archive of the titans works in dungeon ? do the stack reset when you get out of combat ?
slim sand
It's not that bad
fossil jewel
Does anyone know what "Laser Matrix +10" etc means?
half tartan
Are Shrouded Suffocation values updated on Bloodmallet would anybody know?
slim sand
It's noticeable, but you can work around it
sinful lotus
With XSang, i have 3 SS Traits, but 1 SS with 2 DD is siming 130 DPS higher than 2ss 1DD and 450 DPS higher than 3SS. Does that sound right?
charred raptor
So 3 SS is still better than 1 LM/1SB/1AotT pieces that are higher ilvl
true rapids
SS values are updated on raidbots
slim sand
Yeah, was thinking raidbots.
sinful parcel
I have a 370 chest with Shrouded Suff and Archive of the Titans, which is better for the raid? I can't really Sim it
faint plume
Well I went from 14.2k on sims to 13.4k :/ nerf was needed but a little overboard imo
half tartan
Is there a way to extract SS values for the azerite trait addon from raidbots / simulation craft?
plain thistle
@sinful parcel why you cant sim?
sinful parcel
It does not work with Archives because it does not do the stats on it correctly
spice surge
It does
plain thistle
but it does
zenith trellis
does sim automatically assume ur in the raid?
spice surge
No
zenith trellis
for archive etc
spice surge
IF you edit it
zenith trellis
ah
blissful dove
so wait... why does nightstalker exist then ? lol
strange python
why does raidbots sim exatly the same for me
stable holly
Does the simulationcraft nightlybuild from last night include the nerfs?
strange python
like prenerf
wind rampart
my best sims right now is with 3x SB.. not convince how well it will play out
strange python
i updated everything
late niche
idk same reason master assassin and blindside exist I guess
void pecan
blissful dove
same with master assassin... what's the point of assassination having increased crit for 3 sec during garotte and rupture setup
yeah exactly
like wtf
violet sonnet
I think they don't know how to properly balance these traits for every class lmfao
blissful dove
assassination boils down to whether or not you want to hit toxic blade... that's the decision making for talent choices
floral pawn
These traits are awful in general
stable holly
@void pecan that refers to raidbots, does that also apply to the desktop program?
sinful lotus
Pre-Nerf I was 13.750 with 3x SS and XSang, Post Nerf I went to 13.150 also with 3x SS. After Simming, i'm back up to 13.608 with TB instead of XSang, and 2DD and 1 SS. The 2x SB i have don't compete with the other traits on my Sims. Does that make sense?
slim wigeon
so nobody knows why the first SS is so much worse? it doesnt make any sense
violet sonnet
I have an spriest friend who can't even get into normal uldir raids anymore and he
floral pawn
Awful pvp balancing as well
violet sonnet
he's 360
split grail
So Icyveins hasn't updated, what's our bis azerite gear now?
blissful dove
3 x Unsub
spice surge
@slim wigeon Because it tries to do SS specific rotation things (such as double garrote)
stuck shuttle
icyveins omegalul
slim wigeon
ok so why is it worse then?
soft wave
why wouldnt you double garrote for the CP though
slim wigeon
even if you do SS specific things. first ss shouldnt be worse than the 2nd
half tartan
Is there a string to simulate my own Azerite trait values? Kinda like there use to be for talents?
spice surge
Yes because it probably isnt worth it to do SS specific things when ss does less damage
blissful dove
?
spice surge
So its not as big of a gain
blissful dove
you'd do it regardless
blissful dove
of 1 or 3
spice surge
Its the same with sharpened knife, using it with 1 trait isnt as effective per gcd compared to having 3
faint gull
livid kestrel
So, US-guys, how does it feel in M+ now ?
faint gull
you can select different trait setups from your gear and it will sim them
exotic bridge
M+ is 3xSS still best
random pollen
I just feel my triple garrote on trash was nerfed a lot
cosmic pier
how do you use vanish with master assassin properly? its simming ahead for me atm
random pollen
Went from doing like 25k+ to 20k steady
quaint sequoia
SoB=scent of blood?
random pollen
I only had 2 ss tho
livid kestrel
Yeah i guess that being 3x SS rn is like being 2x before nerf
late niche
is there a point in having 2 Uldir traits? Like matrix AND Archives?
strange python
Blightborne shoulders are simming higher for me than SS shoulders, but on the dummy the OP shoulders are wayyyyyy worse
what am I doing wrong?
plain radish
how am i supposed to read the new blood mallet azerite sims?
laser matrix +5 vs laser matrix etc?
livid kestrel
@late niche no
plain radish
does that just mean 5 stacks of the array?
light kestrel
Is anyone elses burst severely gimped from what it was pre nerf?
void pecan
@plain radish yes
plain radish
kk thanks
stuck shuttle
what im wondering if having 1 Archive or 1 LM decreases the value of the other and vice versa
since Array doesn't stack
icy iris
How can i make my garrote WA to get a yellow color text if its empowered?
frank shard
The chest from the World Boss today with DitB is simming higher than a 355 piece with SS
for me
seems weird
icy iris
lmao
daring imp
no clue
i read that totally wrong
@civic palm might know
i think his WA has it
turning green or something
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
spice surge
@frank shard How is that wierd?
daring imp
check how it's done
tacit steppe
i think... its sub time bois
keen hound
even w/ exsang it sims quite a bit lower
hidden yoke
@strange python Same for me but I was using toxic blade for mine, were you using TB or Exang?
stable holly
Heed my call doesn't even appear on the HeroDamage chart
prime zephyr
Hey you can get three gcds in the subterfuge window or is it just two?
stuck shuttle
3
sonic spindle
hed my call is like 8th from the bottom
pulsar goblet
Where does the nerfed version stack up on the simc chart for st
prime zephyr
so mid boss fight I can Vend-TB-Garrtoex2?
icy iris
@prime zephyr depends on ur haste i think
unreal bear
what rating you need for GCD to be that low?
stuck shuttle
even with all the haste u can get, i don't think you can fit 3 GCDs into subterfuge
daring imp
2x sb poisoned knife consistently 9% dmg
stuck shuttle
more than 3*
hybrid pasture
What is the talent that causes the use of vanish>rupture?
frank shard
I can hit 3 easily at 19% haste
prime zephyr
so my question really is whats the best order for your cds mid fight when TB vanish and vend are all up
frank shard
if I had just a tad more, i could hit 4
unreal bear
3 is easy with even 10%
prime zephyr
I've been holding TB for after the vend-g-g
frank shard
probably 21-22
stuck shuttle
^
stuck shuttle
then don't say random shit
strange python
@hidden yoke TB
daring imp
strange python
exsang simming low for me now
hidden yoke
Yeah to bad it seemed more* fun
charred raptor
Is the latest SimCraft build accurate?
fringe socket
i liked using exsang 😦
vale scroll
so ss is down to dd and sb levels if you look at herodmg.
true rapids
my sims told me 1 ss/1dd/1 archive
frank shard
what's the nightly version?
willow mulch
they are just using simulation crafts nightly build and running it on their high end server pc's
frank shard
I still don't know what that means.
stuck shuttle
option for sims to use nightly vs weekly
spice surge
Go into the options and select nightly as your version
stuck shuttle
weekly is updated weekly
frank shard
Thank you.
stuck shuttle
nightly is nightly
signal crag
SO WHATS EVERYONE DOING !>!>>!>!>!?!?!
grim sail
Where do I sim for best traits? 😃
crisp steppe
@frank shard apl = action priority list. like a rotation the simulation does
misty remnant
frank shard
Yup i found it now, thanks a lot guys.
willow mulch
raidbots has made simming a thousand times easier but id rather stick to the desktop program
lone junco
Neg.
daring imp
desktop program ewww
willow mulch
so i have one SS and was working towards 3 (hard to get with raid gear). not really worth it to seek 3 anymore eh?
vestal wren
tbh ss seems to be quite okay still
daring imp
if your group needs huge dick st dmg ... might not he that worth it, but have atleast 1
stuck shuttle
just for the CP
daring imp
^
vale oak
SS get rekt eh
stuck shuttle
the 3CP makes our opener much smoother
vale oak
i sure did like em 20k ticks on 3 mobs
daring imp
lul double dose
frank shard
It keeps auto filling the APL field and not letting me actually sim, any ideas?
willow mulch
kk i got lucky on my chest then. 1 ss and 2 archive right now. need to replace my archive shoulders
stuck shuttle
you put your SIMC addon
into the APL
just erase it
it will default to raidbots APL
final stone
Can someone link updated bloodmallet
vale oak
subterfuge still the tits?
willow mulch
just google bloodmallet
worn ginkgo
is two archive bad?
stuck shuttle
no
willow mulch
im not sure big
vestal wren
frank shard
That's so weird, i did that before, and it changed it to there when I hit run
worn ginkgo
im 2x acrhive and 1 ss
stuck shuttle
@vestal wren is 3xSB really that high?
quaint sequoia
rip SS, time to reroll sub?
willow mulch
so 2 archive 1 ss is something i can keep on for a bit without too much worry at lost damage on traits?
vestal wren
@stuck shuttle folow the link
strange python
still dont get how dropping my last SS trait for Blightborn Infusion sims for a dps increase even with TB
its shit on the dummy
unreal bear
SS nerf isn't the sky falling. lol, chill.
final stone
Ouch ss
Is like bottom
sleek umbra
SS is still basically top for exsang /shrug
vale oak
no more 3 gcd highway to 50% dmg on every m+ pull. the sky IS falling
modest peak
does it matter if you have quick or deadly on mainhand or offhand?
stuck shuttle
@vestal wren does having LM and Archive reduce the value of each other? and vice versa?
willow mulch
yeaa, all 3 specs are close right now anyways, play what your geared for until the damage actually seperates a bit. (right now all 3 of my sims are within 200 dps of eachother)
stuck shuttle
since the array buff doesn't stack
placid dawn
TB is better again boys, was fun for 1 week
gleaming condor
do you have to be wearing the RA azerite piece to get the increase in power weekly?
sleek umbra
@modest peak no, it shouldn't matter
wraith mesa
well
gleaming condor
or can it just be sitting in your bags?
wraith mesa
are you guys still runing SS traits ?
slim sand
I'm running a single SS
willow mulch
^ i guess ill be running 1
red fiber
M+ yes
warm geode
what is the better settings to try simulate for m+ ? 3 bosses 40sec ?
gleaming condor
does anybody know? do i need to have the archive azerite piece equipped to get the weekly upgrade for it? or can it just sit in my bags?
dapper moat
ok archieve is bis on BM but do to achieve of titans stack outside uldir?
wraith mesa
for those who dont run SS anymore, what would be the better traits now ?
thorny rampart
is it worth to spam SotS m+ just for the trinket? prob right?
warm geode
@gleaming condor dont need
gleaming condor
thanks
bright shale
So I've got 3 SS. Do I want to change my talents or anything ?
void pecan
What do your sims tell you is best?
bright shale
I'm at work idk
glad shuttle
it still good to get, but not necessarily skip the 370 for a 340 SS
tropic rover
probably a stupid question, but you don't want to use Archive in M+ do you?
obsidian ridge
now that the nerf's been out in NA for a while, is outlaw or sub significantly better than assassination in m+?
wheat niche
Does anyone know if they fixed the bug with SS? or did they just nurf SS and leave the bug
glad shuttle
does it matter if I put deadly and quick navigation on one or the other hand?
glad shuttle
yeah
stuck shuttle
no they did not fix the bug @wheat niche
wheat niche
@stuck shuttle damn, would have been okay with the nurf if they fixed the bug
strange python
Needed to be nerfed anyways
void pecan
#betaforazeroth
sonic spindle
You don't pay for an open beta
somber otter
array buff from uldar always in effect when simming?
strange python
It was a joke.
unreal bear
this was "buy the founder's edition, play the closed beta"
sonic spindle
It would be a joke if it wasn't true
boreal spoke
Sin rogue still viable with the nerf?
unreal bear
yes it's viable
fringe ginkgo
Trying to figure out the best traits is giving me a fucking headache
spice surge
Just look at herodamage lol
dire sparrow
I sim 15075 before the nerf, When I play with archivex2 and 1 suffocation im on 15350 now
solid parrot
just drop it in a sim and check all the boxes
dire sparrow
for me it was a buff atleast
fringe ginkgo
Oh it's updated now
frank shard
yeah my 370 TtK helm is simming "ever so slightly higher" than my 355 Laser Matrix
like 50 dps difference between the two
solid parrot
p sure nightly is updated
tropic rover
do we still want archive in M+?
flint swift
i was just keeping pace with a 371 havoc (i
(i'm 356)
and i have 2xSS and 1xArchive
oak grail
Is the nerf live on EU?
tropic rover
so still SSx3? Herodamage showing it super low but I know it does't account for restealths
meager abyss
is potion of bursting or potion of agility better for assass?
tropic rover
maybe some combination of SS and SoB or SS and DD?
stuck shuttle
agility
rose wharf
for m+, is stacking shrouded still worth it? swirling sands seem so be strong aswell
pallid cargo
So for Uldir raiding, will we want 1 Archive, 1 Laser, and 1 SS?
north crane
sharpened blades>DOUBLE dose in singletarget? how is it possible?
boreal spoke
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
boreal spoke
Ss still not fixed?
solid parrot
you know thats the best part
hot gorge
im still simming higher with 2x ss 1x archive than 2x sb 1x archive
solid parrot
simming highest with no SS pieces now dont have to worry about the bug
stuck shuttle
because SB is only good if you have more than 1
and if you run SB, you shouldn't run SS
sturdy flume
@pallid cargo either LM or Archive should be enough, since Reorigination Array doesn't stack
pallid cargo
Okay, so do we want to do 2 SS still? specifically for Uldir
daring imp
sb big critz
echo night
so which traits would be best for M+ now ?
stuck shuttle
personally, i think the 3 azerite pieces in Uldir will be BiS for Uldir
as it should be
fading spade
bruhhh so sad
vale scroll
so both herodmg and bloodmallet are up now
sturdy flume
as always, sim your char, but herodamage suggests that SBx2 +LM is bis
fading spade
got a 355 azerite chest from pvp chest... had fucking SS on it
wouldve been excited last week
nimble locust
so can i ask what are ideal numbers for stats suppose to look like
or where i could find it
kind dock
385 shrouded suff chest from Mythic cache :x
pallid cargo
Ehhh, I like how the rotation plays with SS.
sturdy flume
@nimble locust simming your char is the best way to determine that
quaint sequoia
combinations on HD isn't updated with SS nerf?
wary anchor
any best way to use blades in assas?
daring imp
@pallid cargo been having trouble with tb+poison knife to manage energy, exsang had it way more easy Ç_Ç
quaint sequoia
I mean the one with talents also @fading spade
mossy abyss
guy are the nerf live on eu or only tomorrow?
stuck shuttle
@daring imp definitely an expensive combo
echo night
the nerf went live yesterday
sturdy flume
"We’re planning to make the following changes during this week’s maintenance period." So on wednesday for EU
somber otter
where are the patch notes for all these changes?
fringe ginkgo
lol
mossy abyss
im confused now lol
echo night
wtf... why does is say Archive of the titans is BiS in M+??
sturdy flume
wary anchor
toxic blade before poisoned knife?
sturdy flume
in the first paragraph
stuck shuttle
@echo night could be because the M+ sims consider chain pulling
no stealth in between
fringe ginkgo
doing this in multiple passes is fucked considering how quickly reforging costs ramp up
stuck shuttle
mening your archive stacks dont fall off
gleaming condor
i am likely going to run with: 1x ss, 1x dd, 1x titan today for raid
smoky lantern
whats bis traits now
gleaming condor
idk about u guys
somber otter
what is the +5 and +10 on archive of the titans?
stuck shuttle
thats the array buff
strange python
3 sb is were it really pops off
fiery bear
Why r u reforging... Use top gear from riadbots and sim all ur gear
stuck shuttle
that goes up every week
wary anchor
is subterfuge still best even with SS?
sinful lotus
2X DD + 1 SS with TB and PB ST, and 2XDD +SS with XSang Rup for AoE, those sim higher than 3xSS in both situations for me. Does that sound right?
vestal abyss
How high does 3x SB sim?
smoky lantern
whats dd
spice nymph
double dose
sturdy flume
extra dmg if both strikes of Mut apply poison
knotty jetty
SS garbage now?
sinful lotus
Like, tried Master Assassin, and other talents, but still using EP and Subterfuge, still sims higher with 2DD and 1 SS so i'm confused
thorn crater
but it doesnt include holding out on vendetta right?
rancid oxide
So I want to use 3x raid traits now?
hybrid thicket
stuck shuttle
I would take a look . I know @onyx wind was simming with it earlier and it showed crazy damage
quaint sequoia
does SS nerf change any talent choices?
onyx wind
hi
stuck shuttle
lol
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
stuck shuttle
40% nerf
drifting hare
what are you guys playing after assa trait nerf?
stuck shuttle
to SS
tropic rover
People run CT or PB for M+?
halcyon glacier
CT but the difference isn't that big
hybrid thicket
I was doing like 27k need to try with 3rd head my call
odd bloom
Hey everyone, just started trying assasination, in the pinned guides i couldnt find a section that tells me when is the best time to use exang after the opener, do i wanna do it on cd / wait for vendetta/vanish to line up as best as possible? thanks in advance :)
tropic rover
bigger with exsang? what's the best way to sim in raidbots for M+, 3 Bosses, 2 minutes?
sturdy flume
@tropic rover From what I've read, PB on tyrannical, otherwise CT, but I prefer CT, so I kept it this week
halcyon glacier
thats roughly what i do. CT not affected too much by exs since exs only does one target
onyx wind
then just up the targets
smoky lantern
why we taking double dose
chrome cave
CT is more reliable, PB isn't that big a gain on ST to trade for the aoe CT provides
thorn crater
basically just bliz forcing us to play sub
chrome cave
for m+ that is
halcyon glacier
yeah only like 2.5% increase on ST with PB
thorn crater
10% nerf to shadowstrike
tropic rover
yeyeye. I'm gonna run some m+'s later with assass for the first time, couldn't stand rolling 5 RTB buffs on world quests anymore lol
gleaming geyser
2x LM 1x Archive simming highest for me monkaS
strong fjord
note on SS bug if no one has mentioned it - from my testing it works both ways. casting a ss buffed garrote from stealth will buff all other active garrotes
tropic rover
and you don't CT on bosses at all I assume?
vestal abyss
@gleaming geyser that's hella annoying
chrome cave
no ct on bosses yes
halcyon glacier
CT only worth on 3+ targets
oblique sky
is guide update for new biss traits?
opal mason
quick question, is snapshotting still a thing where I should make sure to vendetta before garroting?
halcyon glacier
idk nobody is saying t22. its not a thing.
gleaming geyser
T22 is uldir loot available
halcyon glacier
i guess just raid tier then
soft quartz
man, the sound effect on elaborate planning is super annoying
thorn crater
so do we look for preraids, or t22?
halcyon glacier
t22 = uldir
gleaming geyser
look for T22 uldir is out
sonic spindle
If you're raiding, you look at t22
gleaming geyser
hello?
thorn crater
but is it 355 or 370?
thorn crater
both go up to 385 XD
stone quartz
!sims
prisma monolithBOT
BfA Simulations:
Herodamage: https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html
hybrid thicket
Yeah it is not so big nerf with 3xSS, still dmg down but not unplayable need more tests tomorrow https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mc1pMEbai6hKJ72wSCxEp7
thorn crater
disagree
opal mason
its definitely not dead
halcyon glacier
the whole greatness is that in m+ you're taking advantage of it lots more
thorn crater
and ure basically much worse on m+
lofty coyote
what is better? Bloodmallet or herodmg? they show very different values
thorn crater
on trash coverage
void pecan
Phew. your logic.
opal mason
until its fixed
oblique sky
is it live in EU guys?
hard plaza
meh not to bad
halcyon glacier
like yeah on bosses its not a huge deal but its a pretty big loss for trash
stuck shuttle
@lofty coyote hero damage is kept updated by the people who run Ravenholdt
vestal abyss
I'm sure we will reach consensus on the best trait setup right before the next changes
stuck shuttle
I would trust hero over blood mallet, atleast for rogues
lone junco
Just sim your own combos.
lofty coyote
@stuck shuttle ty very much ...so i know what is better
solar summit
bloodmallet is updated!
hybrid thicket
Me too I was doing like 35k on 3mobs and 20secs. I was thinking I could compensate dps down with 3xSS 3xHMC need to sim
strange python
my best combo doesnt use SS my opener feels weird now
lone junco
That's the whole point. Select like 15 traits and use smart sim.
lofty coyote
by herodmg i have a lot of more options
vestal abyss
I need to know which m0 to spam
halcyon glacier
oh yeah seems like bloodmallet is updated now. nvm
hybrid thicket
@vestal abyss at this point every single one 😄 blizzard is nerfing rogues weekly so need to reforge
primal violet
why am i simming so low compared to people w/ similar item level, stats and talents? is my 1 340 azerite really holding me back that much? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7rvX39iEaenW9j8M12eZUj
late bison
I'm on EU nerfs aren't out yet, still enjoying it in m+ while it lasts 😉
primal violet
i just dont understand, i see people posting 14k-15k sims
onyx wind
No idea dude
thorn crater
how is SB better for mythic + as well sigh
onyx wind
maybe you have 3x SS
oblique sky
is SB better than SS for m+ / ghuun and bosses like that?
primal violet
if I do 2 SS, 1 LM, its even lower. like 12.5k
onyx wind
Do you use simcraft addon
primal violet
yah
onyx wind
no idea man
primal violet
its like i saw someone earlier, with much worst weapons, posting 15k
onyx wind
seeems really low
primal violet
but maybe that was the old build
true rapids
Ya I am simming lower than I feel I should even between nightly and weekly the dps didn't change at all
little sparrow
wary anchor
any specific way to use SB in assas?
inner pulsar
What are your traits @primal violet