i got a 380 vers ring today feelsbad
#assassination
steel wagon
inner pulsar
womp womp
strange python
vers DansGame
steel wagon
lol
past harbor
@prisma pond what addon is that where you can see the traits
daring imp
i did 11's and got 380
strange python
a 385 irontide captains hat
feelsREALbad
I can feel it my cache is gonna drop boon mow
daring imp
what the actual fuck
hybrid thicket
Fck 1k+ dps down after ss nerf, shit I had 3 of those :/ what now ?
misty hemlock
so how's it going for us after the SS nerf, anybody run some raids yet?
cedar elk
i wonder if 3 earthlink will be better than 2x head my call, eeee
fair hill
What is it with all the vers on gear? Its my shittiest stat
lofty sand
blizzard wants to nerf a very overtuned trait thats what they wanted, what you should be asking is what are they going to give us in return if anything at all
red plaza
nobody ran a raid in 13 minutes CBD
inner pulsar
@strange python That is exactly what I got
torpid sluice
@past harbor Azerite Tooltip
misty hemlock
mb thought reset was earlier in NA
surreal rivet
is SB only good on ST fights?
hexed root
soooooo how crazy is the SS nerf actually gonna be/any idea what the next best trait is yet?
strange python
I mean its an upgrade over my 340 with SS, but still
past harbor
@torpid sluice thank you
strange python
Herodamage should be updated Soon
vestal wren
synced the pinned overwrites with the hotfix data
strange python
blootmallet is updated
bright vessel
where the hell is the worldboss
hybrid thicket
Overpowered trait ? Not at all, from start of the expansion was sin weakest spec and if sub and outlaw didnt get so BIG nerfes, it would still be the most underperforming spec. Only SS holded that spec and now its gone. They can delete that trait when they nerf it so hard why is it ingame when everyone knows how nerfed it is and noone is going to use it anymore (this is also for sub and outlaw)
olive pagoda
i fking hate that nerf
strange python
kinda seems like ss is still the best lol
bright vessel
yea... you sure its up to date?
lethal jungle
Is raid bots updated yet
torpid sluice
Feels like the +5 and +10 is the only added stuff
bright vessel
and same with thunderous blast lol
torpid jackal
ss is still best ST
inner pulsar
It is not updated
bright vessel
yea this cant be right
pseudo light
what does +5/+10 mean on blood mallet?
signal crag
still dont understand the +10 +5 thing is that the amount of people or somthing?
oblique vector
are these bloodmallet sims correct? SS still sims the highest ST besides empowered uldir traits
lofty sand
@hybrid thicket that trait was broken. No one can deny that, it was ridiculous how far ahead it was from everything else
torpid jackal
reorigination buff
torpid sluice
stacks of buff
daring imp
they only looked to nerf SS because sub/outlul got nerfed as well
inner pulsar
The Uldir traits were added, thats it
torpid jackal
stacks on boss kills
pseudo light
oh ok thank you
strange python
I guess we still waiting for herodamage then
hollow stone
Ss w 3 stack showed about a 2500 dps increase on bloodmallet last week. Its still showing about the same. Chances are it is not updated correctly at this time. This is speculation not fact
olive pagoda
guys is the garrot bug fixed ?
hollow stone
No lol
hybrid thicket
@lofty sand i think they want us to use raid useless traits
olive pagoda
wtf
signal crag
Garrote bug?
sleek osprey
What's the garrote bug? I live under a rock.
pastel bough
The changd arent live yet i believe
fathom echo
the carrot bug is fixed 🥕
hollow stone
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
main rain
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
olive pagoda
they nerfing it and dont fixing the bug ffs
sleek osprey
lol
hollow stone
This was trait tuning. Not a bug patch. Gotta love blizz
strange python
Maybe its Worked as Intended
tough lantern
olive pagoda
fuck blizzard in there fking holes
snow seal
is ravenholdt/bloodmallet sheet updated?
nimble gulch
@tough lantern is that comparison after nerf
lofty sand
@hybrid thicket they want to balance the spec so we have choices, but they forgot to suggest us anything, considering they didnt buff any other trait. So I'm guessing they expect us to experiment and try other shit so later on they can buff whatever they feel they need to
or none
hollow stone
Yea. It looks like raidbots has updated but seems unlikely that bloodmallet has been
tough lantern
@nimble gulch yes
fierce ingot
Guys i found a workaround to the nerf
final stone
Guessing that raidbot isnt updated
bleak jungle
I wish they'd at least fix the bug
hidden dome
LOL
lethal jungle
Raid bots is definitely not updated
nimble gulch
XD wow thats actually pretty chilled for a 40% nerf
bright vessel
lol Aselie
hollow stone
Fair
inner pulsar
Neither is updated
olive pagoda
how big is the nerf? Like how mutch dmg are you doing now and how mutch before the nerf ?
surreal rivet
@tough lantern sims are updated?
tough lantern
@surreal rivet Check pinned and use the overide
wild zodiac
Wait, assassination got nerfed?
hybrid thicket
They are nerfing rogues HARDER than any other class.
sacred bramble
azurite traits got nerfed
south magnet
fuck it im going warrior 😃
last cedar
SS got nerfed by 40%
nimble gulch
The nerf is like barly noticable like 500 dps lower then before
dense quest
DH is pretty safe
brisk imp
dense quest
they've been under the radar
dense quest
yes but do you like damage?
olive pagoda
@nimble gulch no way
last cedar
Surprised they didn't nerf shruiken in pve
ripe comet
@olive pagoda if i can trust my siming skills vs raidbots from yesterday i lost ~ 1,300 DPS on ilvl 361 in bleedspec , 700 if i switch to poison
nimble gulch
i play withj 2x
bleak jungle
DH nerfs when, lul
nimble gulch
for raiding
pseudo light
so the +5/+10 is stacks of the reoriginating array right? so then that wouldnt apply for m+? or am i understanding that wrong?
south magnet
i only pvp anyway
bleak jungle
Yes Thay
vestal wren
yes +5/10 is array
astral hound
whats best ench?
pseudo light
ok thans again
surreal rivet
i simmed 15.3 before and 15.3 after even with override, but i did only have 1 SS trait
sweet needle
I love when I hear people talking about playing another class when theirs gets nerfed. As if it won't happen to the next class they play xD
fierce ingot
thank god item restoration works on the scrapper
hybrid thicket
DH,WL, ARMS,MAGE top charting dps in raids but better nerf one last spec which rogues can use 😄
keen spruce
raidbots isn't updated yet right?
surreal rivet
nothing changed
main rain
Just farm the 2nd best trait, so when they nerf the best one next week you're the king
carmine kestrel
is the 40% nerf live for eu?
urban berry
no
carmine kestrel
ok
vestal wren
nerf goes live with server restart tomorrow
carmine kestrel
nice
daring jewel
Run some m+ NOW
south magnet
1 more day of power i guess
carmine kestrel
yeah lol doing some keys
south magnet
well it wasnt that op tbh
visual token
Right?
urban berry
???
jagged ore
look at the bright side
urban berry
have you seen the parses for m+
fair hill
40%? Are you serious thats what we deserved?
urban berry
BY FAR the highest dpsing class
jagged ore
at least when they come around to nerf rogues again, you might dodge it
daring jewel
It did that trait was bonkers, but it was what carries it
main rain
90% of the useless traits deserve buffs as well tbh
vestal wren
ss was op, it deserved a nerf, 40% is a bit high tho
royal lantern
the fuck you talking about, you do dmg without ss
steep forge
Any updated trait prefs now with the SS nerf?
urban berry
you act like it was a 40% nerf to assassination lol
its to a trait that was braindead
fair hill
40% is like taking something and killing it
warm geode
35% to 25% of all damage
carmine kestrel
question 355 rogue with 3 traits pre nerf on a siege run what is average dmg? 12k +?
royal lantern
the TRAIT got nerfed, not garrote itself ffs
elder copper
Hello everyone, is there a list that shows what azerite traits you should choose?
mellow pier
Its about a 5% nerf ya
vestal wren
did you test using other traits?
median falcon
with 3 ss
hybrid thicket
urban berry
go back to whatever FotM you were playing before rogue if you are this butthurt about a trait nerf
fervent beacon
warm geode
hell no, is not 5%
mellow pier
Yes it is
warm geode
13k to 11,5k ST
hybrid thicket
btw what is that +5 +10 ? I dont quite get it
mellow pier
I was 15.2k lost around 1k
hollow cloud
ripe comet
the nerf is way harder in m+
steep forge
just wondering if archive + 1 ss is competitive now
warm geode
burst of 33k to 25k
daring jewel
It was expected
warm geode
aoe i cant touch 30k
cursive kelp
so i got a 385 cowl of fluid machiniations.... should i still be excited about this?
keen spruce
olive pagoda
if its like a 1k dmg nerf i will take it
urban berry
the stacking of the buff that only applies in uldir @hybrid thicket
keen spruce
for the +5 +10 stuff
high holly
has the SS changes gone live on EU?
hybrid thicket
ah ok, when only in uldir ... its useless in any other content
kind dock
So by bloodmallet.. SS is still #1 for m+?
ripe nimbus
Archive best trait now?
urban berry
not for m+
daring jewel
No
fair hill
Server reset
ripe comet
no lasermatrix beats achive
warm geode
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kaPrrH2gk57ufHm3LQay6J
sub is the way T_T was loving sin
frosty oak
so does it seem SS is still top for aoe/st?
hearty echo
is nightly updated with nerfs?
ripe comet
evem with the 35% nerf
strange python
I want 3x LM seems good
hybrid thicket
@strange python only in uldir 😛
kind dock
So are they just nerfing everything into the ground so raid gear is better....... lol seems like their play
ripe comet
and you can only have 2 LM :P
strange python
Rip
ripe comet
we don't have laser matrix shoulders
urban berry
nope, they are just nerfing the outlier traits that have no other competition
strange python
I got helm wheres out chest drop
ornate hazel
what oes +5 and +10 mena
hybrid thicket
rogues are in scope this expansion 😄 getting "tunned" like every week
broken fiber
I was at 14.9k dps before nerf now after getting 385 azerite with SS from weekly its 15.2k .. what nerf? 
olive pagoda
is 3x SS still the way to go after the nerf ?
ripe comet
chest is g'huun
frozen karma
the +5, +10 on bloodmaallet for laser matrix is the reorigination array stack right?
ripe comet
y
urban berry
rogues are included in pretty much every m+ group of every spec, stacked on some fights, we should be pretty happy and ok with a nerf considering how strong sin was
pseudo light
does each kill = 1 stack?
frozen karma
cool, new bis traits in 8 weeks I guess
pseudo light
sorry each 3 kills*
frozen karma
omegalul
hollow cloud
3x kills per week / 2stacks afaik
olive pagoda
i hope they fix the bug
thick musk
the stacks only work in raid right?
pseudo light
ok so max 2 stacks per week?
hollow cloud
and its capped weekly, eg next week you can kill 3x again and get 4stacks
as far as I know, might be wrong... 
strange python
1 stack per week.i thought
pseudo light
how much should you be at now then?
slender smelt
Hey. Has bloodmallet/hero damage been updated yet?
strange python
I was at two last night so I assumed today would be 3?
hollow cloud
Bloodmallet was updated 4h ago according to the site- 😮
pseudo light
and it applies on reset? or on kill?
slender peak
So rather than buff other interesting traits to make them useful they just nerfed the shit out of SS but its still better than the other traits? ...cool
slender smelt
Thanks
strange python
@warm geode What traits do u have on sub?
pseudo light
like when i kill 3 new bosses this week ill get another stack? or do i have to wait till next week for it to add that stack
cobalt forge
does anyone know the simc override for archive pf the titans?
frozen karma
1 stack per week max
strange python
what is the rated pvp quest?
@thay you gotta wait till next reset to get next stack
plain cairn
guyz, is SIMC updated for SS ?
fair hill
Just win a rated match
simple birch
Do I have to take that quest for rated match win from somewhere?
fair hill
No
slender smelt
So all the crying on this channel. For... nothing... 
carmine orbit
Hey guys, was the hotfix applied to every region or it comes with the reset? Bit confused
weak pine
Reset
strange python
😄 I'm in EU one more day of SS
simple birch
last day of SS
surreal rivet
that override script isnt working for me :/
obtuse robin
do i have to wait for raidbots to update something or can i just start siming now that the tunning is up on na servers?
strange python
The worst part of this nerf is that you cant run 3x SS exsang and blast low rating in arena
velvet kernel
have the sims been updated yet?
true aurora
They haven’t
primal gazelle
anyone run M+ already today? how is the nerf feeling
velvet kernel
thought they might have seeing as they added the laser matrix and archive stuff
earnest rampart
Can anyone link patch notes
craggy helm
sullen robin
idk if that override is working
earnest rampart
Ty
primal gazelle
is sin still top tier for 10+ keys or should i go back to sub lol
hollow trail
im getting an error from the override command personally @sullen robin
hearty echo
override worked for me
visual rampart
I lose ~700 dps with the overrides in compared to not, so I think they are
strange python
Sin is still going to be great
bleak jungle
I'm sure it's still in top 5 with three SS
hearty echo
i lost 550 dps
cedar anchor
@hollow trail you have to sim in advanced mode
weary verge
Did these go live in EU?
limber flame
What traits are we running for 2s and 3s now
hollow trail
@cedar anchor ill try that, thanks
sullen robin
@hollow trail im not getting an error, but my dps isnt going down
primal gazelle
550 ST dps loss translates to alot more aoe dps in m+
icy iris
!wa
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primal gazelle
it wouldnt be as bad if they fixed that ss bug
cedar anchor
indeed itz does, but its still probably be your 1# m+ trait
wild zodiac
Has the salt cleared up here yet?
ripe dock
About 8% single target and 12% aoe in m+ according to a rank 1 m+ assa I was just watching on twitch
bleak jungle
Which is big but, not devastating
primal gazelle
whats his name
cedar elk
so, being i have reorigination array, would it better to sit at 30% crit in raid and 14% haste or 22% crit and 18% haste? hard to sim that because crit and haste are close
strange python
12% aoe D:
lone junco
@ripe dock self acclaimed R1 m+ assa. unless you mean seli, then in that case /nod
ripe dock
Not on computer right now, he was pretty high in the list you should find it
timber mauve
so SS update is live in NA, right?
cedar anchor
@ripe dock and who that happens to be ?
rugged blaze
Do we have any m+ guide or something similar for playing sin in mythics?
vapid oracle
is Bloodmallet updated?
last cedar
They still haven't addressed the subterfuge but?
sly kestrel
Bloodmallet is updated yes
cursive kelp
is raidbots updated?
last cedar
If you stack SS don't refresh garrote until your first two/three are completed
If it's still bugged
sly kestrel
Just trying to figure out what +10 mean and +5 laser matrix
last cedar
For m+ and rupture everything
oblique vector
google uldir buff
last cedar
Refresh CT on sub 2 seconds if you take it
magic zenith
strange python
it's the number of stacks on your buff
hollow stone
We need a "!lm" in here
last cedar
Ooof
steel wagon
so do we want to use origination ray?
hollow trail
Has blizzard even acknowledged the SS bug yet? I know they havent fixed it yet
strange python
omg 1k dps jesus
sly kestrel
I see, so it's a rorigination buff, thank you
limber flame
Its the secondary stat buff that stacks each week @sly kestrel
hollow stone
This question is going to be asked 100 times a day now
last cedar
Lmao
sly kestrel
Got it, thank you
solid field
I just don't understand why a dps only class has to be competitive with hybrids. Dps classes should lead the way. Because that's all they can do.
fallow walrus
Where do you even get lazer matrix
devout moth
let's all report the SS Subterfuge bug ingame
indigo mulch
Uldir
last cedar
Damn still pretty high
tawny shell
is raidbots updated for lasers yet or do we need to add the pins still?
fallow walrus
Why is it so broken right now btw?
devout moth
maybe a big burst of reports will make em look at it :p
strange python
@solid field agreed, always felt that way but I thought I was just a dinasour
slender smelt
Laser matrix only works in uldir amirite? If so.... ss is still top lol
median mason
The buff is only in uldir
fallow walrus
Also, what is Archive of the Titans +10, what is the difference with the +10?
onyx fjord
warm geode
Existence Is Pain
ripe dock
@lone junco yeah it was seli https://raider.io/characters/eu/twisting-nether/Seliathan
hollow stone
The problem with that is then people would only play hybrid classes as heals or tank because they fall behind in dps. This makes the issue of queue times even more severe for dps
vestal wren
@onyx fjord array
devout moth
no idea either blue
slender smelt
Never noticed it outaide of uldir. Thanks
median mason
+10 drop
devout moth
and no its definitely not +10dps
ripe dock
Incarnated on twitch
tawny shell
IS RAIDBOTS UPDATED YET? NO FLAME
devout moth
Mythic +10? cause I think those only drop in uldir?
hollow stone
Im already sick of answering this
vestal wren
@tawny shell no
bleak jungle
No guyssss
fierce ingot
lolol
desert pelican
Stack
bleak jungle
+10 is the Uldir weekly buffff
fierce ingot
careful richard will come back and ban us
last cedar
Damn rip didn't sim b4 on mobile so I can't compare
woven dragon
It’s +10 tears
tawny shell
LOLOLOLOLOLOL TY
fierce ingot
take it to the meme channel
last cedar
But still 14k with three SS
vestal wren
+5/+10 on the bloodmallet graph refers to array stacks
pastel bough
the patch isnt live yet is it?
vestal wren
gleaming geyser
this channel is a shit show 
fallow walrus
So you get +1 every week if you clear 3 bosses?
bleak jungle
+5 & +10 are ULDIR weekly buff
gray citrus
so i take it raidbots isnt updated with the newest sims of azerite traits?
bleak jungle
Yes sekuso
cedar anchor
fallow walrus
So at this point everyone has +2?
cedar anchor
could be worse
steel wagon
so we are at +2 right now because it's only been two weeks right
eager cobalt
390 5th worst trinket
fallow walrus
If you cleared every week
eager cobalt
Thanks blizzard
last cedar
You can set to nightly if it's updated
bleak jungle
Yes
short token
so i feel like the sims are wrong when it comes to SS...it's telling me to remove 2 of my SS pieces for 45 ilvl / 15 ilvl upgrades respectively with dagger in the back. I can maybe see the 45 ilvl upgrade, but no way 15 ilvls is worth losing a stack of SS is it? are you guys trusting the sims when it coems to the azerite traits?
eager cobalt
woeful wraith
idt bloodmallet is actually updated yet, how would ss still be ahead of double dose?
gleaming geyser
LOL
bleak jungle
Lul
eager cobalt
It's not updated
devout moth
The real question is.... Is Exsang still viable now? Or is it simming alot lower than TB now
bleak jungle
What a meme
fallow walrus
Also guys, you prefer Heed My Call or Overwhelming power?
inner pulsar
I feel like you should be muted for 2 minutes when you enter the channel, then all these people would see their question answered by all the people that entered 2 mintues before them
eager cobalt
Bloodmallet's last update was 9/16
bleak jungle
Heed my call
gleaming geyser
i prefer heed my call
bleak jungle
Haste op
indigo mulch
Heed is better for aoe
vestal wren
@fallow walrus you get 1 stack iirc every week if you kill 3 or more bosses
indigo mulch
Owp for st.
gleaming geyser
heed is decent st and good aoe for m+, less reforging
strange python
I like Heed in m+ and OP in raid
ripe dock
https://www.twitch.tv/incarnated R1 m+ assa is discussing the nerf effects and what to play right now
woeful wraith
no way blood mallet is reflecting ss changes
fallow walrus
Bloodmallet still says Overwhelming is simming better tho
woeful wraith
idc if it says updated 4 hours ago
keen spruce
I'm just keeping all of my gear and waiting to sim until tomorrow or the next day
polar timber
what are they doing to our class
bleak jungle
Yeah
inner pulsar
You asked which one they liked better
inland gull
is it live the ssq?
hollow trail
unrelated to this nerf, M+ azerite gear drops from the weekly chest only really rustles my jimmies
polar timber
every week
short token
were there nerfs?
eager cobalt
Blizzard has no idea how to balance shit
vestal wren
the ss nerf was justified
strange python
cant wait to sim the same as my 355 hunter as a 365 rogue 😄
vestal wren
blizz is just slow with balancing
indigo mulch
Ye
eager cobalt
The nerf was justified, but are they going to buff bad traits?
pastel bough
40% lol, that puts it like at the end of the trait list
strange python
was it though?
vestal wren
!sims
prisma monolithBOT
BfA Simulations:
Herodamage: https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html
hollow stone
Speculation
vestal wren
bloodmallet has the changes in iirc
daring imp
uh, raidbots already incorporated the ss nerf? sorry to ask around again
indigo mulch
No its Def not at the end of the just.
short token
i don't get what was justified, monks were still opening higher and pallies are right there too
eager cobalt
It feels like now you just want to hoard azerite gear in case stuff gets nerfed/buffed
bleak jungle
Just remember guys
frank shard
vestal wren
and ss seems to be still very high
bleak jungle
WW monk ate a nerf gun too
frank shard
so is this across the board? Or do I just not understand stat weights
daring imp
ss already incorporated on raidbots?
eager cobalt
@frank shard It means you are pretty well statted
short token
so is exsang out now? back to toxic blade?
eager cobalt
probably 20% haste
last cedar
Sim it, even b4 nerf TB was better for me
sour nest
deadly nav is still the enchant for main hand right?
nimble gulch
i hope so bad idont have to change specc
spark raft
wasup boys with -40%
last cedar
Pirate memes
spark raft
sullen robin
Looks like random rezans fury/rando traits are better than ss now
vestal wren
NO the hotfix is not on raidbots now, use the pinned overwrites in the meantime
inner pulsar
@vestal wren If Bloodmallet has them in then HeroDamage does as well, because they have the same numbers, and HeroDamage hasnt been updated in 2 days. I don't believe any of them are right
daring imp
oh mb, sorry @vestal wren
plucky lily
Do you guys think Fathoms is worth buying if I have a 340 trinket?
gray shuttle
Still simming same with SS its not updated?
obtuse robin
@vestal wren bloodmallet has the changes in iirc , im sorry what does this mean
vestal wren
if i recall right = iirc
strange python
@silent 
icy oar
is raidbots sim updated?
short token
it's showing SS as lower on my sims, telling me to replace them now
inner pulsar
@vestal wren Exactly, and BM and HeroDamage are showing similar numbers for SS. I don't believe either are updated
cedar anchor
exs still better than tb for me, even with the nerf counted in
magic pasture
Is nightly build on raidbots updated with Nerf?
cedar anchor
no
vestal wren
@inner pulsar some ppl where saying bm is, i am not sure tbh
main rain
Nothing ist updated yet
rain breach
nothing is updated
magic pasture
Shoot, thanks
hollow trail
lone halo
@short token what sim tells you how to replace traits?
magic pasture
I'M SLOW
spark raft
OTL Boys
inner pulsar
Omg, what parallel universe is this where people are now telling @vestal wren and I to read the pins
surreal rivet
wheres the button to put simc in advanced mode? im dumb
short token
@lone halo in raidbots you click on the little trait on the gear, and then it compares them all for you
unreal coyote
looks like exsang took 4 fingers while the rest of us just took like 2
woeful wraith
yeah like i said, no way bm updated
cedar anchor
@surreal rivet http://prntscr.com/kvv8hm
woeful wraith
with proper build
surreal rivet
oh
indigo epoch
Anyone actually run anything since the ss nerf? How big of a difference did u see?
surreal rivet
thanks
amber sequoia
can you do an advanced gear compare you have to do that part manually?
lone halo
@short token very nice did not know that thank you
woeful wraith
been running sims all day with adjusted values and it's much, much worse lol
thick musk
ye feels a lot weaker tbh
sullen robin
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4RG3WpVa4N36PDAxaRn9Az no ss, still not that bad dps
short token
@lone halo np man
frank shard
@sullen robin it's not updated yet i don't think
hazy forge
sin doesnt need daggers right?
surreal rivet
i simmed 15.3k before now 15k, not that much of a nerf
frank shard
yeah we do
sullen robin
@frank shard thats without any SS traits equipped
shy axle
are Array stacks the secondary stats or the buff as a whole?
cedar anchor
@onyx wind exsang still better for me wtih 3x ss
with the adjustement on
probably tb could be better when one doesnt run sss ?
hazy forge
so both sin and sub need daggers?
sullen robin
im running same rando traits and its better than ss now
onyx wind
thats what im trying to say
cedar anchor
@hazy forge sin yes
eager cobalt
Maybe one day I'll get a decent trinket
onyx wind
exsang might not be the best st build
cedar anchor
not sure if sub can use something else in offhand actually
inner pulsar
SUb can
onyx wind
since other traits can take its place
sudden canyon
maybe one day ill get azerite gear from cache
vapid oracle
do i still need to input nerf overides into sim or has it been updated yet?
cedar elk
so, being i have reorigination array, would it better to sit at 30% crit in raid and 14% haste or 22% crit and 18% haste? hard to sim that because crit and haste are close
cedar anchor
@onyx wind but that all comes up to what azerite pieces you have to replace ss with, given you dont have viable options, u gonna continue rocking exang
sullen robin
i only lost like 300 dps from equipping new traits
inner pulsar
I got that stupid Pirate Hat from cache today, still didnt feel great
frosty oak
would dagger in the back be affected by exsanguinate?
onyx wind
in what way affected
frosty oak
does it get shortened by exsang
onyx wind
but yeah, doesnt shuriken outdmg it now?
frosty oak
or affected by mastery
inner pulsar
@frosty oak That is good question, it is
kindred coral
did we atleast get a bugfx for SS? or does subsequent garrotes messup the trait
inner pulsar
I mean "it is a bleed"
cedar anchor
and ilvl of the azerites..
frosty oak
couldnt 3x dagger + exsang full stacks be good?
past harbor
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
sullen fjord
RIP assasination
stiff leaf
what does laser matrix +10 even mean tho?
frosty oak
10 stacks of the hidden buff
viscid pawn
bloodmallet is updated. so is ss still the go to for mythic+ ?
lime panther
Can u link the blood mallet page
inner pulsar
BM is not updated
frosty oak
it is @inner pulsar
fierce ingot
i cant take reading the same questions any more
frosty oak
updated 4 hours ago
fierce ingot
cya tomorrow
inner pulsar
It was updated for the Uldir traits
past harbor
I'm reading the opener from ravenholdt, it goes
garrote -> rupt -> garrote -> vendetta -> mut -> rupt -> exang
are you supposed to vanish before the second garrote?
inner pulsar
Not the SS nerf
frosty oak
it shows 3x ss is 2k dmg and 3x on hero damage (not updated) is 3.1k dmg
it is updated.
hidden yoke
@past harbor no you should still be fine because of the subterfuge talent
lone junco
@past harbor apl is under review.
past harbor
ooh you're still in subt, and you're doing it for pandemic right?
getting the 2 garrote/rupts off before using exang
tardy ether
@trill no you still have subterfuge up for 2nd garrote
visual token
Correct
sleek iron
SIN NERFED TO GROUND > PRE NERF 14.58 and NOW 13.56
GG BLIZZ
SIN NERFED TO GROUND > PRE NERF 14.58 and NOW 13.56
GG BLIZZ
inner pulsar
It is not updated
sleek iron
MY SUB IS 15.2
strange python
Nothing is updated
past harbor
would you ever use that opener on M+ trash?
bold hearth
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3RMywRedSgMjpG9p3XZD6Z -> https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wwq3w4pgGjqUh5eCtccGbT
magic pasture
Yeah my Sims went from 14k to 13.5k with the nerf override in
hollow stone
As per pins, keep the "sky is falling" outa here plz
bold hearth
555 dps loss
tardy ether
no you triple garrote in m+ trash
cinder lotus
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hSkzrnyxzh7HPZL2dXZZkw havent change anything 2 SS 1 Dagger
magic pasture
So, sucks we got nerfed but w/e
bold hearth
Also puts Sub slightly ahead for me
magic pasture
Yeah I need to sim sub again
last cedar
Use pinned message for override for nerf when simming in advanced simulation
frosty gyro
Sin probably still ahead for M+ though
Sub has like the same secondaries as sin though
frosty gyro
Just swapped vers and mastery
indigo mulch
Sub is still better than sin on high M+ keys. 😒
magic pasture
I have 1450 haste, 900ish Crit, almost no vers/mast
blissful dove
380+ gear and still 340 azerite armor, i guess it's a good thing the traits all suck
great system Ion
inland gull
so ss nerf is live? q
inland gull
just tooltip not updated
frosty oak
now i sim for 14.5 with new gear
magic pasture
Guys it's all part of the grand scheme
frosty gyro
sleek iron
there is a workaround
frosty gyro
Sub has very tight stat weights
ember ermine
lilac coral
Twitter
lilac coral
so, later
strange python
SoonTM
fallow walrus
When will the patch hit? Tomorrow for EU?
lilac coral
can tab target three garrotes but can't tab over to twitter gg
blissful dove
Ion gonna be dodging questions like he just hit Evasion later on in that Q&A
hollow stone
At least we're not ww monks or shamen, emirite??
frosty gyro
Yeah basically
We actually have some other good traits and other good specs
WW had 1 good trait minus 55% damage
strange python
Imagine playing enhancement in 2018
wary temple
Just got 385 helm with dd 😄
slender hare
Does Bloodmallet still play Ele?
gleaming kelp
Dd?
wary temple
double dose
gleaming kelp
And yes I believe he still does
frosty gyro
Ew DD
cinder lotus
doudlbe dose
slender hare
Damn
grim mason
way too many trash to read so what does this nerf boil down to?
blissful dove
grand scheme... grand scheme
cinder lotus
so according to bloodmallet titan is better than SS lol
strange python
I wish TTK would get a buff I want massive envenom
frosty gyro
I feel like DD is only going to be a bit above SS in ST but SS is still going to be way better in M+/Cleave
blissful dove
you can meme out a big envenom, but it isn't practical
gray shuttle
How does DD work? Only once or per proc?
blissful dove
highest i've gotten is 134k
serene glacier
herodamage SS is 17.55% dmg from 2 days ago .... bloodmalet is 16.81% with the nerfs
strange python
Mmm 134k env is sex
daring cave
Oh wow
gray shuttle
I traded my titans headpiece last week in raid 😦
shy axle
Are you guys planning to stay assa for myth+ or switching over to Sub for higher keys ? You either read uhh Assa > Sub for high keys as well as nah Sub > Assa
brittle umbra
after nerf or before
shy axle
personal prefferance?
serene glacier
after 5 weeks Laser matrix is bis
frosty gyro
Pretty sure it's BiS right now
sour current
anyone know if you can track whether or not garrote is empowered using a weakaura without custom code?
strange python
You cannot coldorr
serene glacier
blissful dove
So, you can raid without doing m+, but you can't m+ without doing raid... got it.
frosty gyro
Its been 3 weeks though
woeful wraith
those are def not correct slej
eager cobalt
Yeah I am really annoyed I have to raid to do m+
ornate hazel
how long to mupgrade the azerite to a +10?
hazy forge
how do i even play sin/sub if i havent gotten a dagger drop in 240 hours of bfa?
eager cobalt
The Uldir raid is so fucking awful
vast mulch
The bloodmallet sim still puts SS as one of the top 5
frosty gyro
Sims aren't updates yet right?
eager cobalt
I'd be okay with the gear being bad if the raid was fun
silk sundial
Who said you have to raid for m+?
gray shuttle
Uldir is great if they buff the items
blissful dove
that's the other thing, the raid isn't fun at all
visual token
I like the raid
strange python
I really enjoy uldir bosses
verbal sorrel
so if im simming my assa I need to paste the pinned message text?
tender fulcrum
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5n1NRop8WtyYJ4Qej1bxjc https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oxsBUNbuJngRG2PPhKYtgQ
eager cobalt
You can't get azerite chest, shoulders, head from m+ unless it's end of week chest
light kestrel
I really enjoy the uldir bosses, I think you guys are in the minority
eager cobalt
are you thick?
strange python
G'huun my fav exit boss in a few tiers
frosty gyro
Yeah Uldir has some great bosses
lilac coral
anyone have a chance to see if they fixed the SS bug though?
silk sundial
If you look at most top geared players, their gear is from pvp
frosty gyro
Doubt it
woeful wraith
i think a lot of people are assuming raidbots is updated, it's not, look at pins and modify the laser matrix and ss in advanced
frosty gyro
Yeah pvp gives insane gear if you are high enugh rating and just spam it
visual token
PvP is great for gear
woeful wraith
bm is most definitely not updated with this either
light kestrel
They fixed the bug by nerfing SS, hoping people won't take it, and thus won't have to fix it.
vast mulch
They didn't fix the bug, only nerfed it, as insulting as it gets
long marlin
@light kestrel pretty much this lmao
blissful dove
They're not going to fix it
dim raptor
what bug?
brittle umbra
what does the +5 and +10 mean on the laser matrix?
dim raptor
@brittle umbra check pins
brittle umbra
ty
blissful dove
They don't fix things like that until 3 major patches down the line
Look at Weaponmaster/DFA in Legion
lilac coral
was thinking it might actually be competitive still if you could apply 4 but fuck 'em then
half ginkgo
now i dont know what azerite traits i have to use... i am confused right now
brittle umbra
so those are only BIS in Uldir, as you only get those stacks in uldir right?
so SS is still BIS
frosty gyro
@brittle umbra those aren't updated yet
brittle umbra
oh shit sorry
inner pulsar
Twitter
frank shard
Just got the chest from the WB
proper igloo
so how bad is the nerf boys
frank shard
DitB and Overwhelming
pastel bough
bad
onyx wind
Wonder how bad assa is gonna bee after nerfs
It was only 20% better than the next best spec in m+
keen hound
lost about 700 dps based on the plugin for simc
onyx wind
Gonna be useless now
proper igloo
thats not that bad
frosty gyro
ST probably a bit lower than sub, probably still best M+ spec or top 3
steep citrus
i guess i'm glad i never changed my name color
frosty gyro
Like SS is still the best M+ trait
Uldir stuff doesn't work in M+ and Sharpened Blades/DD are just ST
strange echo
what does the +5 mean by laser matrix and Archive
cursive dagger
@frosty gyro if your min/maxing tho your probs gonna wanna play sub for ST anyway in raid yeah?
ember ermine
mellow cypress
hey guys new to assa, coming over from outlaw, did the 40% nerf to SS go thru?
blissful dove
Hey guys are there pins I can check?
frosty gyro
@strange echo You get 75 to your highest secondary for each week you kill 2 bosses in uldir if you have those traits up to 10 times
woeful wraith
mellow cypress
and if so...did simc get updated to reflect that?
lilac coral
yes and no
mellow cypress
ok thx
frosty gyro
@cursive dagger depends on boss length TBH due to nature of sub/sin and CDs
mellow cypress
been getting pressured from guild to swap to assa from outlaw lol, might change now
frosty gyro
They'll probably be pretty close overall though
eager cobalt
Tell them to fuck off
static rampart
is the SS nerf live? If so is it not updated in Raidbots yet?
eager cobalt
Seriously, play the spec you have fun with
snow orchid
Stupid guild
blissful dove
azerite armor should drop in m+! yea I said it.
vestal wren
frosty gyro
Pretty sure everyone thinks it should drop in M+
last cedar
Check pinned message
mellow cypress
idk guild leadership is a lil dumb, im still top 5 dps as outlaw and top certain fights they think assa is better tho
last cedar
Sim with the custom APL, in advanced simulation
vestal wren
raidbots should have the changes in ~5 mins
vast mulch
I hope they find out in the lore that azerite causes cancer so we stop using it
eager cobalt
Unless you are in method you shouldn't be forced into a spec because it's better dps
last cedar
Thanks @vestal wren
visual token
Lmao @vast mulch
steep citrus
what was the reasoning for it not dropping in m+? just to make getting bis traits harder?
frosty gyro
I mean there aren't any fights where Sin is like better than Sub to an extreme degree especially after the SS nerf
brittle umbra
when do the changes go live, tomorrow?
frosty gyro
Already live
blissful dove
@steep citrus Honestly I don't know if they even gave a reason
visual token
Us live, eu soon I think
blissful dove
This Q&A today should be a shitshow
spice nymph
Can some people explain to me in detail how I aoe in mythic dungeons? I use 3x garrote, but then I feel like I'm mostly inefficient with my CP usage/aoe/globals or whatever... Is there a set opener or order?
strange python
SoonTM
brittle umbra
raiding tonight and not sure if i should swap out my 2x SS
visual token
Iirc they patch after us
blissful dove
well it will be softball questions and vague nonanswers
main rain
Gonna hit some Arena before the Nerf, EZ Rating
frosty gyro
@spice nymph GGG>Rupture>FoK/Rupture, after the first 3 Garrote's wear off apply more
Stop using FoK once there are only 2 guys left
spice nymph
And when do you use CT t hen?
frosty gyro
Use envonom if everyone has rupture
strange python
CT LUL
frosty gyro
Oh I don't use CT because I'm too lazy to respec
onyx wind
Just never use eenveenom on AOE
spice nymph
Oh
frosty gyro
And poison bomb is neat
onyx wind
if youre speecceed CT
mellow cypress
question about GGG opener, on different targets or even single target?
west gate
is bloodmallet updated ?
dim raptor
no
west gate
updated 7 hours ago
dim raptor
doesnt have hotfix yet
dawn merlin
will the raidbots update include the change to archive?
frosty gyro
@mellow cypress Depends on the key. On +10 you probably just want to double garrote infested mobs if they are there and throw 1 on another for the energy regen
Otherwise 3 different
dim raptor
Simcraft hasn't added the hotfix, so it isn't live on BM
chrome cave
envenom on aoe is decent to weave one through once in a while for fok poisoning
strange python
It will about about 2 hours before BM and Herodamage get update pls stop asking
spice nymph
Alright thanks @frosty gyro , I see people like in that freehold 16 do stupid amount of aoe on every pull while I don't get it done that consistent, thought Im just stupid lol.
steep citrus
hahahahah. please stop asking. good one. i'm sure that worked
mellow cypress
strange times, anyone have link to bluepost?
strange python
I said pls
inner pulsar
Why do people come in and ask if they are updated, and then throw the time stamp at us like it means something
true ingot
Is it a Q&A today? Some people were telling me it's 8.1 reveal stream
cedar elk
so, being i have reorigination array, would it better to sit at 32% crit in raid and 14% haste or 22% crit and 19% haste? hard to sim that because crit and haste are close
west gate
It not pinned : / hard too scrool all the text sry
visual token
Make sure you’re not using a 4th garrote when you’re doing aoe as well
light kestrel
there's a live stream today scragg
safe root
yikes
onyx wind
@cedar elk dosnt matter much
inner pulsar
Sigh
coral meteor
🤔
west gate
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
dim raptor
Can someone pin the fact that Simcraft hasn't updated, so the siming sites (Bloodmallet, Raid Bots, etc...) have not updated. There is a hot fix you can use on the Pins.
novel zealot
Really sorry if its already been explained but where do you see how many reorig stacks you have
coral meteor
I mean if people can't check the date/build versions/times on those sites shackle
light kestrel
by going in uldir, the most you can have this week is 3
fierce knoll
385 azerite chest out of my cache
coral meteor
then they'll never see it in the pins
strange python
Lights when you enter uldir with the piece on you have a buff
fierce knoll
thats a downgrade from my 340
strange python
lost 700 dps
pseudo light
i dont think thats a bug lol thats been like that how bleeds have worked for forever
novel zealot
ah okay so its not like anyone can have +5 or +10 yet
vast mulch
I can't believe they can't fix that stupid bug
novel zealot
good to know thank you
dim raptor
it's easier to tell them to check the pins then to explain it all the time
hollow trail
@novel zealot raidbots will show it on the right hand side once you import your string
pseudo light
bug is def a misnomer
ember ermine
coral meteor
It's even easier to just ignore them.
red fiber
Sup folks!
onyx wind
hi
onyx wind
Looking cute as fuck dudee
main rain
Well here we go
fossil jewel
Do you guys know if Raidbots is updated for the SS nerf during sims?
static wind
yo
fossil jewel
nvm
visual token
😂
sour current
possibly
pseudo finch
1478618764187514875184568 raidbot queue
red fiber
Just got pinned.
inner pulsar
OHHHHH shiz
dawn merlin
so, if I manage to get my hands on 3 double dose, I'll most likely be going with a more poison centric build
coral meteor
#PATREONLIFE
dawn merlin
and here I was enjoying exsang
safe root
can't sim too busy rerolling feral 😂
red fiber
Raidbots, here I come. Let's see.
sour current
double dose all day
sacred ore
guys is SS nerfed?
cold meteor
so nightly build ?
onyx wind
no
safe root
nope
dim raptor
buffed
coral meteor
Also taking bets at odds 3:1 in favour of someone not asking if sims are updated for recent hotfixes within the next 2 minutes and 49 seconds
main rain
SS stealth buff
onyx wind
its buffeed by 100%
mellow pier
raidbots live
dim raptor
1mill extra dps
coral meteor
#LOTTIEBET
mellow pier
btw
dim raptor
we win
sacred ore
.-.
safe root
ss bufferdided by 32k hps
sacred ore
is it really buffed?
sour current
yeah
strange python
´SUp boys how is ass in PvE?
static shore
so what is the best raid build for now?
fiery jasper
are sins updated for the hotfixes
coral meteor
Yeah I sim 29k now ST at 381ilvl
main rain
lilac coral
garrote has actually been hitting azeroth this whole time, magni is pissed
sullen robin
people are very not smart in here
round harbor
@static shore whatever u want
sullen robin
very below average
sacred ore
cmon guys i just checked bloodmallet, SS is fucked
dim raptor
uss sin rogues have been opening more wuuunnns
vestal wren
be polite pls
onyx wind
oh my god i sim 18k with buffs
sour current
(Assassination) Shrouded Suffocation: Damage bonus increased by 400%
vestal wren
we have more important tasks to do now that raidbots has the changes
frosty gyro
SS isn't updated on bloodmallet though 🤔
main rain
600 dps loss meh
dawn merlin
ahaha
dim raptor
@sacred ore if you could check BM then why ask us?
surreal portal
are the SS changes live on EU? it still feels like they're not
sullen robin
@vestal wren thats both changes? ss and lm?
vestal wren
yes all changes
sullen robin
kk cool
dim raptor
no hit fix on EU yet iirc
vestal wren
from the hotfix
sacred ore
@dim raptor welllllllllllllllll
dim raptor
oh i stand corrected
vestal wren
and yes EU is atm without changes
frank furnace
733 dps loss or 5.2%, had 3xSS
snow orchid
Easy 700dps lost
red fiber
How about multi target DPS?
coral meteor
Fucking finally, my 370 azerite helm is finally an upgrade over my 340 SS one
sullen robin
that was tb
vestal wren
keep in mind to use nightly version on raidbots
mellow cypress
wow almost 15k at 360? im only getting just over 14 at 365
dawn merlin
well, not all is bad, grats Lottie
sullen robin
/flex
hushed turtle
is the nightly updated now with changes?
novel zealot
since raid bots update heed my call sims above overwhelming power st 🤔
coral meteor
For my upgrades to actually fucking be upgrades..
steep citrus
with ss nerf, you should switch from exsang to dark shadow
hushed turtle
got it thanks
static shore
nerf is today or tomorow?
sullen robin
today
vagrant tapir
Today
safe root
i will never let the exsang dream die
vagrant tapir
on us
cerulean walrus
Last week
vagrant tapir
Sang dead
buoyant bay
should i take a 355 blade in the shadows trait for sub or 355 SS for sin
static shore
so eu tomorow?
buoyant bay
from the conquest cap
surreal portal
does anybody know if it's live for EU yet?
sullen robin
this isnt the channel for sub
onyx wind
red fiber
Uh.
clear harbor
so guys gonna be raiding now last time with triple ss gonna have much fun Kapp
strange python
Ass or sub most dps?
red fiber
My DPS is actually higher by 100?
buoyant bay
no shit @sullen robin
hollow stone
@vestal wren the real hero here
daring imp
nightsalker what the fuck
solid nova
@static shore Yes, with reset
buoyant bay
legit question, is it worth taking the SS trait or just the sub one for ST
safe root
lol
steep citrus
take ss trait and play outlaw
strange python
How does your brain work that way
coral meteor
with a lot of prayer rmd
strange python
o
daring imp
where did you get a chest with sb, @onyx wind ?
onyx wind
strange python
They do?
steep citrus
tb easy. no have to line things up. just press it
daring imp
where the friggin' heck you got that
onyx wind
I prefer TB beecausee it does moree dmg
frosty gyro
Man I want SB
dawn merlin
most people use it because it can sim better
frosty gyro
Have 0 pieces with it though
dawn merlin
not because it's especially fun
broken fiber
people actually want sb?
random pollen
daring imp
oh motherlode
ebon dragon
Hi guys, the Nerf of Shrouded Suffocation 40% less damage it's already active? btw it's a big nerf i think or not?
violet spear
anyone else not using any SS anymore?
frosty gyro
But for Sub it's almost as good as =10 LM
hollow stone
Fuck sb. I played a frost dk in legion. That shit is sooooo lame
dawn merlin
ugh, not using SB ever
onyx wind
SB is fine
misty remnant
light tusk
Do u wait on 30 stack?
opaque grotto
DD isn't too bad
red fiber
Legit, simming 100 higher lol.
daring imp
28~30 shoudl be fine
vestal wren
yes you use on 29+ stacks
frosty gyro
I mean I'm assuming for Sub SB changes your talents to Dark Shadow right? 🤔
vestal wren
you can use a weakaura for it (to show you when you reach the stacks)
light tusk
Oki
hollow stone
You sure can. Its just so uncomfortable to use
blissful dove
Good thing reforges don't have a cap to their cost! Another spectacular and arbitrary design choice by Blizzard Entertainment
worn ginkgo
What does Archive of the titans +10 mean on the bloodmallet website ?
strange python
stacks
frosty gyro
Yeah my friend was reforging gear for pvp and I was like "don't do that it's expensive"
He didn't realize the cost went up
worn ginkgo
oh stacks from the buff when your inside uldir ?
craggy helm
doesnt it reset every week?
blissful dove
rip gold