It's not about the SS nerf though tbh
#assassination
fossil jewel
unreal bear
@main rain 3x poisoned wire time
ocean heath
ok but have u tried using another trait
and comparing that
instead of comparing before and after
oblique smelt
Time to use Fan of blades 🤔
woven dragon
?????
lone junco
@ocean heath I cant use top gear tool with an advanced apl override. so ill just wait a bit.
celest swan
all im really tilted about is that i went feitid hc pg 4 times for bonusrolls
strange python
I'll just be stacking Dagger In The Back 
celest swan
it took not only my rolls but also a small part of my soul to get that chest
fossil jewel
I'm honestly just tilted that it costs me like 40k gold to respec traits
torpid jackal
tfw dagger in the back gets nerfed today during the livestream
fossil jewel
This system is so bad
frosty obsidian
exs buffs ditb yes?
bleak jungle
And people laughed when I said it'd be 1-2k dps loss.
Kk
strange python
Can some1 tell me what the +10 or +5 mean? https://gyazo.com/e0b97f61a921f70ac7e69dc287e00b13
ocean heath
yea id like to know too
pallid hound
Im Reading back about opinion on nerfs and its So funny but So True :(
torn coyote
level
vast patio
Be better if Azerite had more than one spec specific trait ro pick
coral plaza
probably warforging and titanforging
pallid hound
Gonna have to reroll to sub To stay in raid Group probably sad frog
torpid jackal
pluses are values with reorigination array stacks maybe?
torpid sluice
think it's the reorgination buff (1 stack each week)
solid nova
Crying and non constructive sin talk 👉 #off-topic
shut robin
:+
main rain
So did they fix the ss bug? I mean that would have been a sensible thing to do
hard plaza
Well alteast i dont have to change traits its still BiS
cedar anchor
which buffs more the more bosses you kill
calm grail
raidbots sims are updated to reflect todays hotfixes right?
frozen pecan
Sad day for ass rogues 
pallid hound
I was wondering, they nerfed the trait but havent fixed garrote bug that is right?
solid nova
@strange python See above.
round harbor
@main rain it was a azerite tuning patch, not a bug fix patch
main rain
Thats nice
strange python
Oh but it was about assa traits tho
lone junco
@calm grail I ran the override.spell_data=effect.734512.coefficient=3.007362
bleak jungle
Origination Ray in that chart is based on how many weeks of buff you have
solid nova
Does it contribute positively in anyway, no.
cedar anchor
nothing sad just balancing
fierce ingot
Lol
round harbor
SS nerfs are healthy for us
gentle rapids
Has hero damage been updated with the new SS nerf?
solid nova
No
broken fiber
positive chat 🙂
fierce ingot
Yeah let's talk about the positive changes in the patch notes
vast patio
It's about sin, so it should be allowed on the channel devoted entirely to sin. <_<
hard plaza
Ir was OP, and its still top (if bloodmallet is ok to go by?) (outside of raid traits)
frozen pecan
How much dps did you guys lose?
pallid hound
Wasnt the trait why assa was actually conpetetive in termos of damage? ^^
unreal bear
@pallid hound sin is still competitive.
fierce ingot
Negatives
Trait got nerfed
Positives
Error 404
solid nova
If you're going to meme or troll the spec channels because you dislike a change, take it to #off-topic
cedar anchor
no, the trait was carzy op, now its more or less balanced and will line up with other top traits
solid nova
If you can discuss it properly then go for it.
round harbor
Gives us more variety and not being sad when we get a 370/385 azerite and can't equip cause it doesn't have SS
hard plaza
its gives less focus on getting 3 SS traits which is good for the game
lone junco
ish.
pallid hound
Its still good for m+ i feel because of the damage decrease with silence and talent ^^
frosty obsidian
Yeah the trait was literally worth 30 ilevels
hard plaza
was stupid af
vast patio
Ridiculous, but meh, not my problem.
lone junco
SS was annoying in ST. but in cleave it was pretty gross.
shy mica
doesn't SS nerf mean that exsang is kinda so-so aswell?
cedar anchor
actually, in m+ is where the nerf you will feel the most
magic zenith
it's still best
bleak jungle
Yeah I'm happy I can upgrade my gear now. I'm just frustrated things weren't bug fixed still
cedar anchor
and it doesnt matter, cuz its probably gonna be the best to go trait for m+ anyway
hard plaza
but in M+ we were stupidly high
round harbor
@pallid hound yeah and something like 2 SS and a FoK trait may be a thing
hard plaza
shut robin
Where did you guys see the buff to Frenetic Corpuscle?
hard plaza
thats M+
lone junco
my cleave sims show M+ should be fine tbh
magic zenith
Just ran a trillion sims. My gear doesn't change.
vestal wren
i added laser matrix overwrite to the pins bc i recieved a lot of dm's about it
mellow pier
@hard plaza u really think thats accurate?
pallid hound
@round harbor i had 2ss and the Matrix thing ^^ what is fok?
mellow pier
It has disc as 2nd dps
fierce ingot
It's ok now instead of inviting rogues to groups to loot share we can just invite DHs and get their loot instead
mellow pier
Lmfao
hard plaza
Was posted originally by Fuu so im relying on him 😄
celest swan
guys u realize that bloodmallet isnt updated on ss nerf?
cyan stump
@shut robin is corpuscle buffed?
celest swan
they jsut added som lasermatrix/archive shenanigans
inner pulsar
Ignoring Azerite Traits, if you were going to run a SECOND spec for Multi target fights (not respec because the world is ending), would you run Sub because it uses the same weapons, or Outlaw because their stat priority is similar to Sin single target stat priority.
mellow pier
It has disc as 2nd dps overall
inner tree
is it my 390 frenetic corpuscule time to shine?
round harbor
Fan of knives, it gives 5 more yards + a stacking buff to Fok
pallid hound
Oh nice
vestal wren
well m+ data on wcl are as good as the sample size
bleak jungle
Corpuscle's Proc chance was increased. But I'm pretty sure it does less damage now
vestal wren
but it shows how strong ss pre nerf was still
mellow pier
I ksnow ive never logged m+
shut robin
Yikes
paper tulip
Yes its still not very good
mellow pier
Disc as 2nd dps is a real problem with the data
pallid hound
I was wondering and Reading but didnt See, how much % of damage DID we actually lose in single target when u have like 2 or 3 traits, like 5% or more?
mellow pier
Theyre good,,not that good
bleak jungle
In a 5 minute fight, my Corpuscle doesn't break 100k damage at 370
round harbor
That wcl is showing how many players there are btw. Not dps
Notice disc priest number 2 🤔
keen inlet
sin rn
round harbor
Ye lol
coral plaza
https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/world-of-warcraft/21973195/hotfixes-september-17-2018 here are all the changes, if u guys care
devout moth
with this changes is sub pulling ahead of assa? 😮
mellow pier
@devout moth nah
pallid hound
Luckly i enjoy both ^^
mellow pier
I wouldnt go that far
cunning needle
@devout moth maybe
mellow pier
Let it play out and u will see
pallid hound
Im wondering how much dps% it actually is
royal lantern
is the drama finaly over? or people still overreacting?
tropic rover
Never!
shut robin
@subtle kiln its points based on the performance in m+ hence why there are healers there
paper tulip
tbh i really didn't lose much dps after the nerf, i lost some but not as much as i expected.
cyan stump
seems like bloodmallet is updated now
devout moth
@mellow pier im saying this because i'm simming 14.7k assa and 14.4k on sub
mellow pier
@devout moth sim dps is harder to achieve as sub imo
royal lantern
because, its 40%of the trait, not a 40%overall nerf lol
royal lantern
sin dmg was good without the trait, with the trait it was just ridicolous
hardy dagger
Assrogue is gonna be fine
strange python
they got us good
inner pulsar
I really cant believe SO. MANY. PEOPLE. come in this channel and don't bother to scroll up even one screen to see if their question has been asked/answered 5 million times already
vestal wren
we are rogues we know how to survive 😉
junior aurora
5% nerf vs the 5% nerf + 20% trait nerf on outlaw, and the 5% nerf on sub with the 10% trait nerf
pine prism
Does anyone know if the Simulationcraft dps rankings are updated? http://www.simulationcraft.org/reports/T22_Raid.html
light tusk
wonder if value of mastery will go higher now. exsan prolly wont be as good
royal lantern
i said that for hours on the morning, people only cried all the time lol
vestal wren
@pine prism no
strange python
lul
calm grail
What does laser matrix +5 and Laser Matrix +10 mean
vestal wren
they are without the nerf
bleak jungle
Nira
random shuttle
Oh okay :(
pine prism
Okay thanks, because the timestamp still had todays time on it
strange python
@royal lantern did you used to be in a guild called converge?
bleak jungle
It's the number of weekly stacks Nira
pine prism
or todays date*
royal lantern
no? never heared that name
mellow pier
Tbh it feels like blizz thought there was 5 assassin rogues on zul
strange python
nvm then sorry 😛 used to be a rogue there recognised name
mellow pier
Like they didnt even look
proven current
is simcraft updated
vestal wren
not yet
round harbor
Zul is a sun style boss?
minor anchor
So I have been outlaw pretty much all expac, decided to give sin a try. Started farming gear and finally got a 370 dagger from heroic mother, then this happens :( :( :(
earnest cloud
@bleak jungle What does that mean?
hard plaza
tbf thats so true, when outlaw nerfs hit (admitedly i only had on DS trait) but the hits really wernt that different
junior aurora
can still use that 370 dagger in outlaw coo
round harbor
Not every boss has to cater to sins niches
mellow pier
@minor anchor i swapped outlaw for mythic mother to aoe and forgot to change my lootspec
Got 385 wep with socket thats useless
hard plaza
ouchie
minor anchor
Oh man that hurts
oblique sky
so noone knows whats the biss now?
bleak jungle
Laser Matrix +5 & Laser Matrix +10
These are the number of weekly stacks from the secondary stat buff in Uldir. I.e. 375 secondary at +5
750 secondary at +10
You get 1 stack per week that you kill at least 3 bosses
hard plaza
tbf te mother mace is Bis for outlaw
little sparrow
Can use dagger offhand
hardy dagger
just play all the specs
hard plaza
im just gonna keep to outlaw and Sin
minor anchor
I really just wanted a fat dagger for pvp
frozen pecan
I lost 1k dps
hard plaza
see how i get on 😄
frozen pecan
minor anchor
I dont the nerf will hit pvp too hard though
pallid hound
@frozen pecan holy crap 1k?!?!
mellow pier
@hard plaza i might as well go balls deep into outlaw lol
pallid hound
Thats a lot
bleak jungle
I called this morning people would lose 1-2k dps. People laughed. Mfw
undone cairn
F
light tusk
@bleak jungle oh so everyone had 2 stack this week ?
calm grail
Remember! Locks got nerfed too
night prawn
do u think assa is dead in M+ SF deal so much dmg on trash pack and i think whith the nerf of SF aoe dmg will be very low. What's ur opinion about that ?
frozen pecan
Glad I play sub
hard plaza
only the people sitting at 360+ ilvl are losing 1k
agile quail
Most my kills in pvp come from vanish g g cheap shot on the target
undone cairn
Feelsgoodman only 700 omegalul
junior aurora
losing 1k dps when you were 3k dps ahead of the rest 🤔
light tusk
i thought everyone had 3 and i was missing something
bleak jungle
@light tusk Every week you kill 3 bosses yourself, you get +1
rose dove
Are the nerfs live on eu?
little sparrow
I'm missing helm, gonna try to get it with a stack group today
pallid hound
So raidbots are updated for the nerfs So i can sim and check it up?
little sparrow
If I don't get it prob outlaw for the week
vale scroll
@bleak jungle do you have to have the azerite piece equipped during the kill ?
inner pulsar
Sims, including Raidbots, Bloodmallet, and Hero Damage have not been updated
bleak jungle
This was answer by a Blue before, but I forgot exactly. But pretty sure it's no
night prawn
u loose 1k dps on ST but ur MT is nerfed more than ur ST. i think assa is over in M+
vestal wren
@rose dove they come live tomorrow
inner pulsar
@vale scroll No you dont
thin plinth
guys are the nerfs live ?
vestal wren
on na yes, eu no
opaque junco
I'm mostly concerned about my burst potential in arenas, not overall dps, rip exsang
vernal walrus
so assa is on shit now¿
minor anchor
You should be using toxic blade in arena
vernal walrus
more i mean
junior aurora
yeah tb is the go to for arena not exsang lol
minor anchor
For double envenoms
mental nest
@vale scroll no its retro active
royal lantern
can you sim with the new trait allready? or did somone from the NA server allready did a test if exsang or TB is the´´to goo´´talent now?
twilit belfry
Twist the knife and tb is the arena build lol
inner pulsar
Sims, including Raidbots, Bloodmallet, and Hero Damage have not been updated
royal lantern
kk thx man
opaque junco
I used tb until I got 3ss, exsang had higher kill potential during smoke bomb
junior aurora
sin pvp isn't going to be hit too hard, you only really use 1 SS normally for cp
plucky lion
it looks liek bloodmallet was updated
pallid hound
@opaque junco cute avatar, where did you get it?
plucky lion
like*
frozen pecan
assa is riperoni in m+
opaque junco
@pallid hound friend made it
hardy dagger
where do i put override.spell_data=effect.734512.coefficient=3.007362 in raidbots?
night prawn
Whith the SF nerf, TB Should be better than exsg, no ?
opaque junco
royal lantern
in pvp you did go 1 ss and 1/2x scent of blood for that bonus mainstat
inner pulsar
Sims, including Raidbots, Bloodmallet, and HeroDamage have not been updated
oblique sky
raidbots dosnt have the hotfix aplied right?
inner pulsar
Sims, including Raidbots, Bloodmallet, and HeroDamage have not been updated
broken fiber
Play a dh
royal lantern
killing stuff a bit slower
vale bay
i just did M+ and did fine multi target dmg
night prawn
normal patch isnt live 😒
vale bay
might swtich back to boomkin
night prawn
cuz if u nerf 1skill of dh dh cant dps its monospell class
versed finch
What would yall say is in the best place for rogue dps right now
hard plaza
all 3
opaque junco
All equally bad 
vagrant wasp
s u b tbh
hard plaza
there all within like 1k off each other depending on the situation
little sparrow
Mythic zul disagrees with that
glacial steppe
i dont want to go back to sub
mossy hazel
So don't
glacial steppe
feels like a wheelchair spec without SS
hard plaza
depending on the situation
opaque junco
Very specifically said depending on situation
glacial steppe
'SD*
opaque junco
But u do u
broken fiber
I love spamming shadowstrike
vagrant wasp
i think sub is going to perform with one symbols 2 sharpen or just 3 sharpens
little sparrow
Just saying, end of raid sub is like 5k+ ahead of the other specs
little sparrow
It's cheese
lofty sand
oh we're having a shitstorm 2.0 or the one I left never finished? I thought we were already calming down
opaque junco
You're cheese
wet yew
@vale bay that doesnt make it reasonable
cedar elk
so it looks like 2 ss is no longer better than even 1 archive (which i have) time to change azerite
glacial steppe
time to end myself
unreal bear
im glad you guys arent being overly dramatic
inner pulsar
Sims, including Raidbots, Bloodmallet, and HeroDamage have not been updated
glacial steppe
my guild will force me back to sub for raid, how can i not be overly dramatic
heavy bronze
at this point im reasonably sure blizz is just hard ignoring the fact that simulations exist and that they could easily balance the traits with minimum effort, instead they just slap random numbers into the rebalancing machine
rugged schooner
Yeah I think I will switch off SS trait
hard plaza
have u got that set up as a bot Darmul lol
clever wigeon
If you read the pins you can manually plug in the hotfix nerf to SS and sim yourself as if it was in
wet yew
do you want to spam it until it gets pinned?
wild zodiac
this wouldn't be can't spell AssaDsRsAiMnAation without Drama @unreal bear
vast edge
i just want fun traits fuck me right 
cedar elk
@inner pulsar bloodmallet was updated 3h ago, is it not a correct update?
wild zodiac
not like SS was "fun"
inner pulsar
No
hard plaza
LOL
inner pulsar
Or more accurately, the SS change is not reflected in those numbers
royal lantern
fun= dps go big my pee pee feel funny now no feel funny anymore
inner pulsar
And No, no bot, just Ctrl+V
vast edge
never said SS was fun 
i dont care if SS gets nerfed.. i just want something thats fun to play
lofty sand
Roll DH
wild zodiac
sb?
royal lantern
BIG SHOULDERS, BIG DMG
mellow pier
Sharpened blades
wild zodiac
I don't know these acronyms
vale field
by the time i gear my DH itll get nerfed next tuesday
strange python
apl hasn't been updated for raidbots correct?
little sparrow
All the azerite traits are boring tbh @vast edge
inner pulsar
Sims, including Raidbots, Bloodmallet, and HeroDamage have not been updated
heavy bronze
so is 1x SS and 2x double dose gonna be the meta now
or are we all just going sub
mortal chasm
nerf cammy
strange python
thought so, thank you darmul
compact socket
I dunno why people are freaking out. I am doing 15-16k overall DPS in +8's with tanks that refuse to double pull on a tyrannical week. So what if I lose 1k or even 2k DPS. I never saw any other class pull more than 13k overall in a dungeon. I suppose there are some that might but it would be pretty rare.
lofty sand
@mortal chasm agreed fuck that bitch
calm grail
So the changes are live on NA, just not on the sims yet right?
opaque junco
@compact socket cause my precious burst
royal lantern
you will use 1 raid trait in raids
mellow pier
@royal lantern debatable atm
royal lantern
they are too good cus of the passive stat boost they give
inner pulsar
Sims have not been updated yet
mortal chasm
oh man wrong game
royal lantern
well, maybe not right now, but in 2-3 weeks for sure
mellow pier
Might have to wait for them to stack up more
hoary copper
Bloodmallet was updated 2 hours ago
shut robin
Dosnt mean it includes the changes @hoary copper
strange python
^
vast edge
@little sparrow yep! azerite traits are boring as fuck.. farming ap for neck is a snoozefest where iv stopped doing expeditions, world quests and missions all together.. at this point i just want them to add something that will just make my rogue spec be more fun to play, i enjoyed multidotting adds with garrote from stealth.. but im sure blizz can do better
undone lodge
ah fuck it....rogue for life hahahahaha, just plays it if you love it
inner pulsar
Alreight, now folks are catching on! @shut robin
unreal bear
i just miss garrote being insignificant damage
hardy dagger
im only 350 and i lost a solid 1k dps with the nerf
hard plaza
surprised by that
marsh elm
I hope rupture gets a slight damage increase
lofty sand
@vast edge its very possible that we still use subterfuge anyways, you can sort of multidot.
gentle belfry
Guys is there a way to catch my archive of the titans trait up to everyone else?
little sparrow
Garrote was hitting harder than dispatch.. Just chill guys were fine
hardy dagger
my gear was hella optimized for exsang
hard plaza
ah
inner pulsar
Run LFR?
wet yew
no
vale field
no
lofty sand
I thought it was but it isnt
calm grail
Oh that 's a good point. With the SS nerf I wonder if exsang is not useful agai n?
inner leaf
is SS still viable tho?
flint swift
@gentle belfry do you mean reoriginarion array?
hardy dagger
was simmin 13.5 before nerf
inner pulsar
Sims, including Raidbots, Bloodmallet, and HeroDamage have not been updated
gentle belfry
@flint swift yes
mortal gyro
assassin is DEEEAAAD!!! 😩
hardy dagger
i simmed cleave still solid
hollow junco
at 365 was simming 14.7k, I can get back up to 14.2k after the nerf by going EP/MA (yes, MA) / TB
but i dont think i'd do that in a dungeon
solid nova
@hard plaza Just, no.
hardy pecan
Idc about sustained, do we still shoot to the top 1st 10 seconds? If not.. I'm out
flint swift
You don’t have to. It will have the number of stacks corresponding to how long the raid has been out, not how long you’ve had the piece
hard plaza
apologies
gentle belfry
@flint swift assuming I will full clear normal, heroic and 2/8m today
modern osprey
tbf i just did a m+ and im still on the dop of the meters
hollow junco
nerf isn't live until maintenance
hardy dagger
yeah ss is gonna be super good for m+ still
modern osprey
y
hardy dagger
not sure what all the fuss is about
strange python
@hollow junco tf is ep/ma?
modern osprey
im trying to figure that one out myself xD
marsh elm
What does ma/tb stand for
hollow junco
elaborate planning/master assassin
EP should be assumed
MA is master assassin
TB is toxic blade
flint swift
For example, I just got my first uldir piece yesterday and when I equipped it I instantly had 2 stacks.
hardy dagger
doing 15k overall as 350 was just absurd shit needed a nerf for sure
hardy pecan
Is that rupture = agi trait any good?
median mason
Toxic blade ugh
strange python
@hollow junco And ur traits are?
wet yew
@flint swift you have a "secret / invisible" quest, if you kill 3 uldir bosses a week, you get one more stack
hardy dagger
why would they hide it tho 
scenic flare
Guys, what do you think about the nerfs??
broken fiber
I already miss garrote being like 50% of my damage 
gentle belfry
@wet yew So you don't have to be wearing that azurite piece during the kills?
tacit crater
I'd be alright with the nerf if they actually got to balancing the garbage traits at the same time.
hardy pecan
Plain as day
wet yew
@gentle belfry no
hardy dagger
ah just me not paying attention
reef frigate
what +10 / +5 means on bloodmallet? ( for laser matrix and archive of the titans traits )
hard plaza
be interesting to see whats said on the stream later
little sparrow
Why buff bad traits when you can knee jerk nerf good traits and make all traits bad
tacit crater
Believe that is your level of the secondary buff on those traits.
strange python
For pvp who is better, outlaw or assa?
little sparrow
Lol
wet yew
the one you play better
reef frigate
Thanks, @tacit crater
dense quest
DH better
glass cairn
a warlock is better
royal lantern
if you only buff stuff all the time you get a power creep uk?
royal lantern
i mean, most people dont understand that shit, but its better too nerf 1thing instead of buffing 38 other things
strange python
Im godlike with both and cant decide
dense quest
I think all these have a simple fix... create some sort of tier system
mellow pier
@royal lantern why nerf/buff when they can make azerite traits,not stack
quaint hawk
🤔
wet yew
then go dh
strange python
Just delete azerite system
royal lantern
that would actually be a good idea
hard plaza
u would still have best and worst
mighty venture
Down with the Azerite!
strange python
And everyone will be happy
tacit crater
It would be, at least, quite a bit easier to balance them if they didn't stack.
little sparrow
Whoa Nurux... shh bro they're listening
royal lantern
yeha, ofc, delete the system and we have no traits at all, wath a good idea
mellow pier
@hard plaza u always have that
mighty venture
Fuck the Hearth of Azeroth!
versed osprey
they just need to come forward tonight and admit azerite was a failed system delete it and move on before it gets worse
median mason
The azerite system is a good foundation for something better
royal lantern
good, some people here have really 0 brain lol, goo too the offical forum with that circlejerk
hard plaza
jsut needs a bit of love
dense quest
a tier system would be great by now we would have a 22nd tier
cedar elk
Nah, instead just make every azerite trait the same trait so when you get a piece of gear its always BIS 
modest peak
does anyone truly believe they can delete a system upon which an expansion is based upon?
royal lantern
tier sets where shit too ok? did people allready forgot that?
dusky sparrow
Bring mah tier sets back
mellow pier
@royal lantern no? Lol
modest peak
like ive heard this so much, people surely understand its unreasonable
royal lantern
dont remember restro druids using tier 19 into antorus?
versed osprey
its to late now to try and make a working system they had beta for that they should just axe the entire system
mellow pier
Tier sets were far easier to,balance
ripe dock
Assa
mellow pier
Tier sets in legion were shit
spice surge
The first tier never had tier sets to begin with though
royal lantern
shadow priest never using t21 cus t20 was better? same for warrior?
mellow pier
Cause 6pc and tf
supple hearth
@strange python more of a discussion for PvP but it's going to depend on ur comp.
median mason
I would like to use my loot coin to change 1 trait on a piece of gear to whatever I want
mellow pier
Is only reason tier became a problem
quaint hawk
T21 on fury was amazing
dense quest
yes but those are not rogue problems
royal lantern
or people that cry about low customasation options, cus having 4 pieces locked for tier stuff gives you so much more custom options am i right
median mason
Rather than rolling for another piece of gear i would like to reforge a trait to my bis
mellow pier
Legit TF/6pc (came out in legion) made tier sets a problem
dusky sparrow
i mean id rather have previous tier be better than new one, insted of traits being buffed/nerfed every other day
hardy dagger
tier before legion was fine when you could only equip 4p and no more
dusky sparrow
having to re-farm azerite trait gear
mellow pier
U used to move pieces all the time,before legion
mighty venture
Let's go back to 0/43/18 DKs and forget about everything
little sparrow
Only thing that sucked in legion was NH trinket lasting til deep ToS
mellow pier
@little sparrow roro lasted forever for ferals in,mop
hardy dagger
remember reforge lads?
hardy dagger
little sparrow
Big yikers
hard plaza
that shit cost a fortune
mellow pier
Got a shit stat 20 ilvl upgrade?
median mason
Imagine you get a big azerite gear ilvl
mellow pier
Reforge it!
median mason
But it has shit traits
wet yew
they declined reforge because : "you would just let askmrobot or whatever do it, so the reforge system has no real value"
mellow pier
Imagine getting a ring from,ur m+ cache
median mason
So instead of rerolling for another gear you use your coin to switch it's trait
mellow pier
When dude next to u gets azerite
cursive hull
@real idol I got a ring from my first cache 😛
mellow pier
Its so shit
cursive hull
And my bro got an azerite
mellow pier
Even bis ring is the smallest upgrade
cursive hull
Quite literally exactly as you put iy
potent forge
Get rid of azerite gear and tier sets and just bring back class trinkets from archimonde
cursive hull
however, it has a bad luck protection
mellow pier
I love how
dense quest
lol taloc trinket got buffed
hardy dagger
player knowing the right stats for their class Blasphemy
little sparrow
Enhancement shaman too
mellow pier
Ya
wet yew
who plays shaman in 2k18
swift flicker
they are getting a rework in 8.1 anyway
little sparrow
Bad day to be a shaman
cold patio
@dense quest source? (Trinket)
hardy dagger
their reasoning for removing reforge is a joke
mellow pier
Our feral lost 500dps
hardy dagger
they nerfed feral wat?
mellow pier
@hardy dagger ya cause u need raidbots and 1004737 addons now
potent forge
Is it too late to reroll frost dk
little sparrow
Imagine reworking a class 1 major patch months into an expansion
mellow pier
To figure out whats best
exotic ledge
Anyone knows if the Nerfs are Live in Raidbots ?
broken fiber
People still play feral?
median mason
Which trinket
mellow pier
Much better
unreal bear
feral is pretty fun
cold patio
thats not taloc
median mason
I like the holy paladin animation it's cute
dense quest
my bad fetid
mellow pier
Like most of my raid lost dps
junior condor
so... with the nerf to ss which rogue spec is top now?
strange python
I love how they buf one single uldir trinket, the others are still trash tier, even mythic onee
mellow pier
And vantus got nerfed
median mason
Isn't that trinket good for like outlaw or something
tidal sedge
lol is it even possible to get 70% haste
mellow pier
Are they gonna nerf fetid?
junior condor
have they put out a daily simcraft yet?
inner pulsar
Sims, including Raidbots, Bloodmallet, and HeroDamage have not been updated
random shuttle
@tidal sedge for short periods of time, and trinket usage, yes.
potent forge
It's pretty fucking stupid how they decide to do this though. Yes tuning always happens like this, but these traits have been broken since day 1. Why not balance traits earlier. And this isn't balancing it's just nerfs lol
rain breach
hmm SS nerf seems hard now double dose?
little sparrow
Darmul is the hero we need
tidal sedge
right
dim raptor
is it good to still run one SS for the extra CP?
inner pulsar
Just doing my part!
tidal sedge
btw bloodmallet is saying SS is still better than the other traits aside from stacking uldir ones
strange python
My 370 scent is now better than 340 ss
royal lantern
@rain breach SS is maybe still the best trait, just more in line with other traits
little sparrow
SS will likely still be better than the other traits
broken fiber
Honestly the nerf wouldn't even be that bad if we could garrote more than 3 targets 
rain breach
laser matrix als get nerfed
lone halo
Anyone know when the sims will be updated
little sparrow
The 370 scent is only simming higher because 30 ilevels
stiff leaf
bloodmallet updated?
rain breach
when they fix SS it would be fine
signal crag
annyone not opening their weekly cache?
tidal sedge
potent forge
They clearly don't want traits to be targeted. They want you to use the highest ilvl traits. But since you can only get lucky with m+, those high ilvl traits have to be from raid. Don't worry guys, we have a lot of choices lol.
Jk
inner pulsar
Sims, including Raidbots, Bloodmallet, and HeroDamage have not been updated
lone halo
Is weekly cache based on what loot spec you have selected? If so I will hold off
median mason
Someone link big dick ilvl from cache so I can cry when I get home
potent forge
Blood mallet looks updated
little sparrow
It's only updated for the raid azerite traits
inner pulsar
Sooooo what? That wasn't the SS change
little sparrow
Afaik
strange python
I have 370 archives fuck yeah
potent forge
At least buff scent of blood or something
zinc phoenix
was SS already hotfixed?
prisma pond
yes
glass cairn
am i missing something or why is bloodmallet ss showing 351dmg ?
prisma pond
nerf is live
strange python
DEDSPEC
inner pulsar
Sims, including Raidbots, Bloodmallet, and HeroDamage have not been updated
dim raptor
Bloodmallet was updated 3 hours ago
strange python
Buffed archives will be dope, static stat bonuses are always stable dps gain
inner pulsar
You guys can keep pointing out that Bloodmallet was update 3 hours ago, it doesn't mean that it was updated for the SS change.
untold snow
little sparrow
Scroll up lol
Plenty of people already stated the change
3 SS today is about what 2 SS was yesterday
true aurora
Shave it
dim raptor
yese
twilit belfry
or do I take a chance and loot it as outlaw for a sword seenings I have same stat prio
spark umbra
Sin is fine
twilit belfry
im 368 max ilvl but my outlaw swords are 350 and 340
but if I got a weapon I could switch and be happy lol
spark umbra
Play whatever spec you enjoy the most
dim raptor
this nerf was nothing compared to what outlaw got last week
twilit belfry
yeah i was playing outlaw then
dim raptor
same
strange python
ded as ded can be
dim raptor
sin is still strong
little sparrow
Same
twilit belfry
but now that everythings nerfed its prob fun
twilit belfry
ye thats why im hopin to land a weapon from cache
pale knot
w8 if bloodmallet sims are correct
strange python
my doctor tells me
hushed turtle
Is your cache opening weapon possiblities dependant on ur current spec when opening or is it random
inner pulsar
Sims, including Raidbots, Bloodmallet, and HeroDamage have not been updated to reflect the SS change. The last update was for the Uldir traits.
twilit belfry
but then i'll be curious as to what a 380 dagger would do haha
inner pulsar
Current lootspec
twilit belfry
dependent on spec @hushed turtle
hushed turtle
Thanks. Ill open as outlaw >.>
tough lintel
DD and SoB seems to be on the charts now, depending on raid or M+
twilit belfry
inb4 i open chest and a get a 380 ring w/ bad stats.
surreal rivet
are we shit yet?
tardy yoke
Is the +5 and +10 on bloodmallet item lvl?
late niche
already have 2x 375 daggers so I guess I'll loot spec outlaw lul
pale knot
ss is not still better in m+?
glass cairn
lmao
still hinge
on bloodmallet what are the +5 or +10 after the uldir traits for?
lofty sand
no one needs to do that, let them rampage all they want. Its part of the process
robust trench
stacks for the buff
still hinge
ty
quaint hawk
Are the sims updated? 🤔
torn hinge
is the ss nerf live in EU?
vestal wren
no
sick vine
what traits are we expecting to be bis after nerf?
vestal wren
probably sharpened
potent forge
The cache is in 15 minutes right
gleaming condor
SS is still ahead of it actually
vestal wren
or the ones aethys mentioned in #tc-updates
broken fiber
SB 
stiff leaf
what does Laser Matrix + 10 even mean?
gleaming condor
im probably going to go 2x SS 1x archive
twilit belfry
stacks with multiple targets
twilit belfry
Infenso you mad man
ember ermine
i read sob as seige of boralus lul
twilit belfry
LOL
inner pulsar
Lots of feelcraft going on
twilit belfry
ss for the CP ?
tidal sedge
ye
twilit belfry
I only have 2 SoB traits so i might try it lol
round ledge
for M+ with CT, should I always be using it in big packs after 3 garrote/ruptures?
little sparrow
SS is still good ST, SoB not so much
hollow junco
this is because it's really difficult to sim a dungeon. simming hectic add cleave, 3x SS is still my personal best sim by a little bit
twilit belfry
unequipping my fuckin 355 and 370
tidal sedge
this week is fortified so keep that in mind
hollow junco
so, not feelycraft
twilit belfry
to wear 340 SoB traits
tidal sedge
SoB might be pretty decent this week
twilit belfry
someone call me, Im crying
hollow junco
but not a perfect sim either by any stretch
inner pulsar
It is feelcraft, when you realize the sim is not updated yet
signal crag
can anyone tell me what the +10 is in the blood mallet for laser matrix?
hollow junco
it is if you use fuu's override @inner pulsar
tidal sedge
im guessing people?
lofty sand
Even reaching the point where SS was uncontested took some time, we will probably need some more to figure out whats best next
twilit belfry
for sure, I feel like you have 2 options as sin now
hollow junco
i have not simmed trait combinations for traits that i do not have access to
bleak jungle
Keep us updated. Hopefully we find something worth it again
cinder lotus
im feeling devastated with this nerf 😦
hollow junco
so it's quite possible that if you have swirling sands traits etc, that is also a good choice maybe even better
twilit belfry
so SS for bosses/some cleave, maybe SoB for really contributing overall
tbh I expected a nerf but not 40%
50% of my dmg is usually garrote, and of that 40% has been nerfed.
dire sparrow
I just did a mythic +11 and Im doing 35k+ burst, ( instead of 40/42k) and still topping trash like 24-30k if 3-4/5 mobs
tidal sedge
^
dire sparrow
the nerf is fine
twilit belfry
i haven't had a chance to try in game ofc but I feel like its a massive overall change.
little sparrow
That's not how that nerf works at all tilt
inner pulsar
No, 40% of the bonus damage from SS was nerfed
strange python
math is hard
little sparrow
They nerfed 40% of the trait not 40% of garrote
twilit belfry
@little sparrow Idk im not good at this stuff
little sparrow
It'll still be a ton of your damage
twilit belfry
just playing lol
but is most of the garrote dmg not from the bonus effect of trait?
willow pulsar
I assume they want nightatalker build for single target to push ahead
lofty sand
Garrote was like 27% of our damage
twilit belfry
also im only talking from m+ pov and from overall dmg cause to me thats what matters lol
lofty sand
you won't suddenly start doing 6k dps or something
little sparrow
No, it gets buffed by a ton just by subt. It'll be a big nerf but it's nowhere near big enough to force people to reroll
twilit belfry
I was just looking at my logs for my last few 10 keys
lofty sand
if you simmed 14k before you will probably sim something around 13k or 12.5k
late niche
I can't believe they nerfed garrote's overall damage by 40%
little sparrow
If you had 3x SS yesterday, you'll be doing similar damage as someone did with 2x SS
twilit belfry
and 40% of my dmg was garrote overall, less of a % on bosses and higher then that on trash
strange python
It's just the trait
twilit belfry
so I just assumed I was gonna get hit hard haha
lyric pond
so sin for m+ still yeah?
little sparrow
2x SS*
brisk imp
I'm just glad best spec/trait varies wildly week to week because blizzard can't balance shit at all
twilit belfry
so nerf is already live?
weak isle
NA yes EU no
lone junco
@brisk imp rip the scrap azerite blues.
lofty sand
triple SS may still be stronger than any combination on m+ yeah. But we don't know yet because sims need to be working and we need to sim a bunch of shit together to know
twilit belfry
oh. well, ima pug a 10 and see what happens
lofty coyote
hi evryone i am new
brisk imp
I have a pile of 340+ azerite because Blizzard is a shit design company atm
simple meteor
wait did they nerf the trait or overall garrote dmg ?
brisk imp
hopefully something good among them
lyric pond
update me pls! @twilit belfry 😄
prisma pond
just the trait
twilit belfry
lol can do
glass cairn
@simple meteor trait dmg
simple meteor
ty
neat beacon
@twilit belfry
twilit belfry
yes Deef
lofty coyote
so i think that bloodmallet is uptodate when i compare the dmg with herodmg
fading cipher
update is live?
dull spruce
2 hours ago
fading cipher
did a ten before, did as much damage as a boomy and shammy
true aurora
Raidbots isn’t
fading cipher
(2xss, 1 lazer matrix)
surreal rivet
5 mins till doomsday
cinder lotus
i have 2 SS and 1 dagger, dont have any other azerite items cuz i made them crystals >.<
white pumice
whats in 5min?
cinder lotus
idk what to do lol guess stick with this
void pecan
Raid bots will be updated when simcraft updates
magic mural
did they fix the ss bug?
severe ice
@fading cipher Considering boomys and shammys should never be up top, I wouldn’t brag about that
twilit belfry
until someone actually pushes some content with 3xSS and can properly assess the nerf
fading cipher
@severe ice I'm not bragging lol
twilit belfry
wouldn't get tooooo in the dumps yet
surreal rivet
Nerf is in 5 mins @white pumice
tight meteor
any eta on herodamage?
strange python
fuck i have to work for my dps now
white pumice
Yikes
twilit belfry
wouldn't hurt to have some new builds planned out in case it does hurt lol
lyric pond
regarding the bloodmallet sims, what is a Laser Matrix +10 for example?
lyric pond
what does that mean
severe ice
Laser matrix also got nerfed
indigo mulch
I'm curious about that aswell Iyav.
weak isle
My guess tc updates in the next ~6H?
little sparrow
burnt dawn
what does laser matrix + 10 mean on bloodmallet
dim raptor
the +5 and +10 on bloodmallet are stacks
lyric pond
OH
hushed turtle
it goes up 1 stack
+10 is max stacks
i.e 750 to your highest secondary stat after 10 weeks
valid junco
just makes me wonder what the fuck people are doing in beta anyways 😄
indigo mulch
Damn o0
vale field
thats gonna be a spicy amount of haste
twilit belfry
does laser matrix only work in uldir as well?
indigo mulch
Lazer and titans sure is just so good o0
lone creek
No
little sparrow
They are playing and giving blizzard feedback, they just don't listen
hushed turtle
The proc no the buff yes
dim raptor
no
inner pulsar
At this point, I feel like it must just be the same guy changing his name to ask these questions over and over, it is just too ridiculous to be real
dire sparrow
seems like bloodmallet have the updates
little sparrow
Lmao
inner pulsar
RAWHW
true aurora
The bonus only works in uldir... so haste for us
twilit belfry
LOL i've seen the +10 question quite a bit LOL
silk ledge
Did any of the other rogue specs get nerfs or buffs?
unreal coyote
no
blissful dove
are frenetic corpuscle sims updated?
lofty sand
no
inner pulsar
Sims, including Raidbots, Bloodmallet, and HeroDamage have not been updated to reflect the SS change. The last update was for the Uldir traits.
cinder lotus
no
dim raptor
no, the other specs got fucked last week
nimble gulch
how bad is nerf :/ do i need to change specc
lyric pond
so i guess SS is still up there huh
main rain
Yes to DH
twilit belfry
id wait
inner pulsar
Yes, change classes
last cedar
Respec feral druid sorry
cinder lotus
devastated @nimble gulch
dim raptor
this nerf is not bad at all
inner pulsar
Delete WoW
twilit belfry
everyone needs to chilll haha
agile quail
Is anybody else saddened by the constant changes?
blissful dove
lol the meltdown is real
last cedar
Time to garrote myself
inner pulsar
Actually, first delete discord
lone creek
“We were best and got nerfed a bit do I need to reroll” 
last cedar
😂
dim raptor
1 change to a 1 trait and everyone loses their mind
weak isle
Reroll enhanc shaman
bleak jungle
It's not a end of the world nerf. But it was more than people thought exactly necessary
blissful dove
Anyway, does anyone know if Frenetic Corpuscle sims are updated?
late niche
azerite gear that's only strong in a particular raid instance, doesn't it feel like the old pvp gear that was only good in a pvp setting? 🤔
remote oak
Reroll shadow priest
worthy carbon
when is raidbots getting updated?
dapper moat
i am still simming 340 items of 3xss better than for example using 2 items of 355 with archieve titans on it.
proven pumice
So I've been playing around with Exang in raid, and I honestly feel like it just isn't worth on a lot of these encounters
dim raptor
when they decide to update it
weak isle
Sims are not live people
void pecan
@worthy carbon soon
silk sundial
That was sub when the 5% nerf came around. Everyone abandoned ship and rolled sin
weak isle
They have to add the updates
last cedar
Sims were garroted
last cedar
Time to go back to sub 😎
lofty sand
The fact that SS nerf cause this much impact in the community is proof that it deserved the nerf, the whole spec success depended on it
bleak jungle
@dapper moat why are you using 2 archive of the Titans... They don't stack fam
dapper moat
my corpuceslent trinket now sims bis and yesterday it did not, so something is online already, no=
lone creek
Yes they do @bleak jungle
bleak jungle
Do they?
twilit belfry
from this discord
late niche
corpuceslent corpuceslent corpuceslent corpuceslent corpuceslent
bleak jungle
I thought they didn't for the stat buff?
twilit belfry
said they went from 20k + on trasn and 15k on bosses
to struggle bussing for 15k on trash and 10k on bosses lol
weak isle
Lmao
inner pulsar
I went from 45k on bosses to 56k
twilit belfry
with 3xss in a +10
inner pulsar
See how that works>
bleak jungle
Also, Corpuscle is shit still. It does at most 100k on a 5 minute fight
young swan
@lofty sand ye it needed a nerf, but like u said the spec depended on the trait. So they should imo give us a compensation buff on something else. But time will tell
dapper moat
i am not using 2x arcieve. i just have 2x 355 on stash
twilit belfry
I'm waiting for my chest to pop before I got
torpid jackal
i heard arms warrs are the next fotm
cinder lotus
Blizzard should just put some other competitive traits and not depends only one. there's lots of useless trait that are just in there because they ran out of idea of this game
dapper moat
using 3x ss 340 atm.
torpid jackal
go there
daring imp
little sparrow
Yikes
twilit belfry
I got a 1k score group for first key and im 366 equipped with 3xSS
dim raptor
3% upgrade my dude
twilit belfry
so I'll let you know how it goes lol
lone halo
Rip in pepperoni
little sparrow
Capes from caches are RIP
frozen karma
I need a big ring or wep from cache
cedar elk
well just got my 3rd ss 385
frozen karma
my rings are 355
cinder lotus
LOL
dim raptor
NICE
waxen cliff
Hahaha
dim raptor
now got back 2 weeks
little sparrow
Lmao
lofty sand
@young swan well blizzard seems to be taking their sweet time sitting on logs to make up their minds about tuning. So we can expect to have a week at least before they shoot us something.
dim raptor
it'll be OP
bleak jungle
You know what to do fam
vale field
wait
sleek iron
Good game
cold patio
but even an update, better as getting a 365 Ring wich is no update compared to 340+Socket (same stats)
vale field
i didnt get a new key
inner pulsar
I'm afraid to open my cache, because with how worked up all these knuckleheads asking the same question already have me I might spike my computer
dim raptor
RIP Key
cedar elk
little sparrow
Knuckleheads lmao
cedar elk
now just to hit 23 before raid
lone halo
sleek iron
Sad bro
bright vessel
rip
bleak jungle
Yikes. 385 does 100 less damage than my 340s pre nerf
strange python
Noobe youre simming with nerf in a SS stack still best????
indigo mulch
You want shoulders for Laser Matrix +10 tho
lofty sand
@inner pulsar you really shouldnt try to answer everyone here, its going to be weeks of people asking about this nerf
indigo mulch
then chest/head with SS on.
surreal rivet
@cedar elk didnt i say last night u were gonna get 385 SS
cedar elk
yeah lol
surreal rivet
told you
lone junco
@strange python it is a loss from before but seems to be best still. but ill do more checking tonight.
prisma pond
RIP me
inner pulsar
@lofty sand I know you are right, and I have no idea why it bothers me
prisma pond
bright vessel
i got 380 gloves
prisma pond
ffs
weak isle
BitS 😡
vale field
my key is still tyrannical
tight meteor
@prisma pond what addon is that
magic zenith
bright vessel
crit/haste
magic zenith
We're staying sin boyos
lone junco
afk a week. yall bonkers.
gentle belfry
Just got 385 SS shoulders on my cache...
torpid sluice
@tight meteor AzeriteTooltip
tight meteor
didnt get a new key too wtf?
lofty sand
@inner pulsar it bothers you because they could just read the chat for 2 minutes before asking and they could figure out themselves.
dim raptor
@tight meteor the addon is Azerite Tooltip
tight meteor
ty lol
radiant ruin
anyone know if bloodmallet has updated the sims on SS
little sparrow
Darmul open your chest 
strange python
@lone junco great to hear hopefully is confirmed tonight
inner pulsar
....................
dim raptor
I wanna go home now to open my chest. Damn work...
cold badge
bleak jungle
Wow
inner pulsar
@lofty sand I'm telling you, it is someone messing with me at this point
bleak jungle
Nice
dusky sparrow
wow
inner pulsar
Now that is nice
little sparrow
I'm really tempted to go home on lunch but ima just get a cape anyway
keen spruce
Can I get an F in the chat for SS
noble parrot
IS DD any good? I just got a 385 chest with it
hushed turtle
380 vers haste ring and 370 pvp azerite helm
bright vessel
oo forgot about pvp cache ty
hushed turtle
DD is gonna be a solid replacement of SS
noble parrot
nice
coarse slate
is SS not BIS anymore after the nerf?
ember ermine
380 crit haste belt :\
lofty sand
time for another week of shit loot
inner pulsar
How do you link the item from game?
noble parrot
crit haste is like BiS right
craggy helm
I mean, it was a pretty substantial nerf...
pallid quarry
is the trait nerf already live?
mystic elbow
vale field
i cant believe it didnt give me a new key
inner pulsar
Actually, I'll take my own advice and go google it
exotic ledge
Last Update 3h ago, seems live to me tho
sleek iron
Guys
vale field
i have my key from last week with last weeks affixes still
sleek iron
Do you need to hit conquest cap in order to get pvp gear?
bleak jungle
You did last week HaMPz
lofty sand
oh look another belt that I didnt need
bleak jungle
But not anymore
dim raptor
Starting next week, earning 500 Conquest in a week, regardless of the status of your weekly Rated PvP quest, will also make you eligible for a weekly PvP reward chest. It is strongly recommended that you complete a Rated PvP quest this week to ensure your eligibility for the next chest.
twilit belfry
@cold badge what addon is that , comparing items
bleak jungle
Or that I guess
hushed turtle
Got over 14k, outlaw nerfed to lower 13k, go sin, get to almost 15k, nerfed to mid 13ks :(((((((
cold badge
statweight scores
surreal rivet
so SB is only good on single target right?
fast jungle
What is the weekly PvP quest?
surreal rivet
cause im about to equip these 370 shoulders that have been rotting in my bags
inner pulsar
Ok, I give up, how do you link an item here in discord?
daring imp
ctrl v
craggy helm
That face when you finally get that 3rd 355 SS trait and it's nerfed the same day
fair hill
Auch
cinder lotus
no WB today?
strange python
Mfw i already have DD and SoB sets ready to go
lofty sand
hum, I can go 2x DD and Archive for raids and 2x DD and 1 SS for dungeons
steel wagon
i'm confused about what traits we want.
craggy helm
This is very rewarding content, I love azerite traits, thanks blizzard XD
hidden dome
LOL got Gonk Outrunner shoulders from my emissary cache turn in today, the day SS gets nerfed....
full flicker
i'm confused about what Blizzard wants.
dim raptor
it's all part of "the grand plan" or what ever
daring imp
lul