#assassination

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scenic marlin
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Yup

stable oxide
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kinda depends on how much you pull though

warm cove
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couldnt they make it 20% nerf and fix the reapply-bug

echo cargo
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^

neon sequoia
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i cant even go m+ atm lol I don

stable oxide
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I have seen DH doing crazy shit in M+ aswell

drifting orbit
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my garrote does 33% of my dmg in single target, well now its going to be 20ish% still better than SB

neon sequoia
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don't have a spec to play

warm cove
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like a deadshot nerf

summer tapir
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To be fair, they are changing the most out of line traits now and said they are readjusting many more

echo cargo
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Literally still not fixing the fucking bug is so annoying

bronze hatch
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20% and bug fix would be buff not nerf

sudden brook
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they might have fixed the bug but not reported it

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just w8

summer tapir
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but we will have to see if they follow up on that promise

hollow cloud
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@stable oxide cause DH is absolutely broken

sleek swan
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I think there is no way any class can keep up with a DH with equal gear/skill in mythic+

winged copper
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is sin kil?

sudden brook
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??

hardy wing
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lads any updated sims? azerite updates etc lol

vestal wren
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@warm cove how dare you not linking my weakaura πŸ˜‰

warm cove
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yes, I want buff @bronze hatch

vestal wren
warm cove
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aw you got one too?

drifting orbit
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you cant keep up with felbarrage FeelsBadMan

vivid bone
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Sharpened blades ❀ we hunters now

twilit belfry
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Blizzards continues the onslaught of terrorist attacks on rogue

timid grotto
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is the ss nerf live on raidbots?

vivid bone
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Not yet I think

vestal wren
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not yet

languid harness
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No

distant creek
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no good havoc even plays fel barrage lol

vivid bone
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Give it like 7/8 hours

twilit belfry
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9/11 attacks on sub and outlaw

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Waits a week and blows up sub

timid grotto
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i sim 300 dps worse than 1h ago waitwhat

strange python
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i get that they have to nerf it

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but it became pretty much #8

spiral bolt
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i feel like everytime i get 3 BiS traits for a rogue spec they get nerfed, guess im gonna start taking the shitty ones then

viscid pawn
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Doesnt we want at least 1 ss trait for the 3 cps?

twilit belfry
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FYI I have a full BITS, Deadshot and SS build

bronze hatch
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SS will still be viable and good tho

twilit belfry
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And after today I have no builds worth playing 😦

sleek swan
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Well when you have to buff a trait with 400%, you have to sit down and admit to yourself that maybe you aren't very good at what you do

bronze hatch
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u all are talking like they deleted the trait

twilit belfry
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I’m also rank 6 on my server for m+

stable oxide
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well 40% is alot though πŸ˜›

spiral bolt
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Dude 40%, that feels a bit overnerfed

weak pine
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How 'bout buffing a mastery effect by 1000%

bronze hatch
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it was broken as fk

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jesus

final star
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Feels actualomegalul

bronze hatch
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some people can never be happy

sudden brook
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it needed a nerf especially for M+

tropic hull
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better use Scent of Blood if they don't fix bug

twilit belfry
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Will SS still be competitive with other Melee in m+ after they nerf it ? Doubt it

tropic hull
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i think for m+

strange python
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damn you guys still at it

crisp steppe
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chill guyz blizz has internal sims superior to the people working on simcraft

vast edge
twilit belfry
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Gonna be dh & 2x rdps from now on lol

green saffron
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sharpened blade next?.

hollow cloud
bronze hatch
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doing 20k dps with pressing 3 DOTS

sudden brook
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rogues still have god tier utility

bronze hatch
brazen sky
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Rip sin?

strange python
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Yup

warm cove
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SB is gonna be good if we get blade flurry

strange python
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Gone

sudden brook
twilit belfry
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Yep

drifting orbit
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i will just spam this

brazen sky
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Unlucky

drifting orbit
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fuck SB honestly

visual token
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SB is eww 😷

sudden brook
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reroll feral 100%

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rogues dead blizzard hates us

strange python
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Feral got nerfed as well

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looks at 3sbs

twilit belfry
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Just play DH

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more dps then sin at its best and completely unnerfed lol

drifting orbit
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ill just reroll kickweaver lmao

strange python
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looks at 3 DitB

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why do people hate SB so much

warm cove
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because its poop

sudden brook
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cuz its bad

tame owl
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its shit

mellow pasture
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lol you people are delusional

nova gorge
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It's too high a skill ceiling

drifting orbit
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its a fucking scuffed WW legendary perk

sudden brook
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delusional :O

strange python
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But my question is -why- is it shit if it sims higher

river quarry
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wheres patch notes?

mellow pasture
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no its shuriken storm perk

river quarry
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they up?

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;o

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for upcoming

twilit belfry
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Think twist the blade will ever work ?

strange python
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Most people here dont even know how SB works

nova gorge
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It's too hard to use properly dude I've told you - skill cap

strange python
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They just look at herodmg

serene glacier
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no u

crisp steppe
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just check wcl for azerite traits

twilit belfry
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Anything with that long of a ramp isn’t good lol

bronze hatch
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does it have to have other reasons than its shit to use

strange python
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Its not the ramp

mellow pasture
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ok assassination

sudden brook
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looking at the highest value ability on hero damage at 3 stacks isnt how u should look at things

bronze hatch
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and it feels like shit

viscid pawn
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U think sub will be stronger?

lilac sparrow
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ss nerf is live?

terse rune
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after some quick maffs, i should do about 630 dps less on singletarget with the SS nerf going life

sudden brook
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????

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what

mellow pasture
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true tho

thorn grove
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πŸ€”

solid nova
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@pulsar bluff Take it somewhere else.

zealous dew
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Let talk

mellow pasture
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its what will be most popular basically now

sudden brook
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after some quick feels assa is dead

nova gorge
visual token
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Assassination has been assassinated?

twilit belfry
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Quick maffs, after the nerfs I’ll do 1k enemy HPS rather then any dps .

zealous dew
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Thank God I have a blood DK to play with

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And bye raiding

mellow pasture
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ew

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that sounds worse

bronze hatch
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good thing i made feral already before i made rogue

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my time to shine now

bright stump
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When they fix the bug with only 3 apllies the 4 will increase our dps

warm cove
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feral still shit on aoe right?

hasty sonnet
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Feral only going up

weak pine
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Ferall still shit

nova gorge
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Enhancement on the rise boys

visual token
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Tfw you play feral and mut already πŸ˜‚

strange python
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Feral got huge nerfs today

serene glacier
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who?

bronze hatch
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see any rogues on method group??

strange python
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Idk what u are talking about lol

bronze hatch
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check mate atheists

warm cove
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didnt they get like 125% dmg buff on some shit

zealous dew
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Method started streaming?

drifting orbit
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lol no1 with a brain will play rogue on that fight

inner surge
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I honestly feel like the fotm rerollers are crying

mellow pasture
spiral bolt
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Why feral when you can reroll to WW?

strange python
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125% to 0 dmg trait is still 0

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Thunder and LM nerfs

sudden brook
strange python
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Are huge for feral

bronze hatch
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@zealous dew yes

strange python
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Cos it has no proper traits

mellow pasture
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but BM hunters

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"(Beast Mastery) Feeding Frenzy: Damage increased by 400%"

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400% good god

sudden brook
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the trait was really bad

mellow pasture
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"like ok we really undertuned that guys our bad"

bronze hatch
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every feral is using the thrash trait anyway atm

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doesnt matter at all

vivid hill
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when is the SS nerf? after maintenance?

hard plaza
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yeah

bronze hatch
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that buffs ur bite and swipe dmg under thrash

strange python
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No one plays feral

sudden brook
zealous dew
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Lol 400

spiral bolt
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well, guess its time to lvl my monk and my shadow priest xD

hard plaza
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monk....

normal surge
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monk got nerfed too πŸ˜„

hard plaza
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WW got nerfed to shit lol

thorn grove
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Monk got nerfed

sudden brook
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playing shadow

normal surge
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:D:D:D:D:D

zealous dew
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It is time to quit

drifting orbit
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so we playing sub now? πŸ˜„

bronze hatch
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idk if u wanna go down the dark road of shadow priest

thorn grove
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55% on roundhouse

visual token
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Lol going shadow

bronze hatch
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its literally more sad than playing feral

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atleast u can play pvp with feral

timber nacelle
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so is exsanguinate dead now or?

strange python
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play fire mage

hard plaza
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Unholy dk

sudden brook
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shadows pretty decent in PVP, u really need a comp for it tho

drifting orbit
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exsanguinate will never be ded 😦

hard plaza
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battle with the tanks for dps

thorn grove
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Play bless online

strange python
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You just suck at UH

normal surge
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what is dead may never die you're right

strange python
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Clearly

bronze hatch
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anything shadow does a frost or affli or balance does better

drifting orbit
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i refuse to use toxic blade

normal surge
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reroll then

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cause its the only viable shit atm

drifting orbit
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its not lol

timber nacelle
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was simming 200 dps better with exs but now idk

hard plaza
sudden brook
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oof

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almost getting out dps'd by a healer

spiral bolt
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That holy priest dps tough

weak pine
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Why is holy so high up?

hard plaza
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smite op

strange python
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bless, totally not another rip off, unleashed

hard plaza
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do they even hve smite πŸ˜„

drifting orbit
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hows TB the only viable option if garrote and rupture will still be your main dmg

bronze hatch
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they do

sudden brook
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bcuz tb does a lot of damage very frequently

weak pine
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@drifting orbit Depends on sims tbh

shy mica
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so does exsang πŸ˜ƒ

abstract atlas
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TB was also nerfed tho

drifting orbit
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you can go exsa with less haste and more crit tho

abstract atlas
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oh shit, yeah tosix is fine

strange python
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Hahaha wow

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They really went overboard

spiral bolt
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Venom Rush or riot

abstract atlas
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they did the same to outlaw once i had 3 deasdshot XD

little frigate
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@abstract atlas TOXIC BLADE was nerfed??

strange python
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40%??????

abstract atlas
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no no Noct

little frigate
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oh pfew

abstract atlas
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i was thinking thunderous

sudden brook
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it needed a 25% nerf? i think fuu was sayign to still be very very strong, the 40% is probably to help with sin being busted in M+

strange python
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tb in rogue discord = toxic blade

little frigate
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aah got it

abstract atlas
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yeah brain fart

jaunty dagger
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rip assa bois

ashen dock
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OI ANYONE WANNA HELP ME REROLL ?!

strange python
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Its over

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Rip

ashen dock
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MSG ME

sudden brook
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reroll shadow priest

daring imp
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can't see the light

sudden brook
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its the only way

strange python
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Wonder if it's worth it to learn sub from scratch or just stick to Sin

drifting orbit
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so, master poise - venom rush - double dose now πŸ˜„

daring imp
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ayy finally back at 0% vers feelings

sudden brook
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its probably wise to learn all the rogue specs

strange python
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learn all 3 specs

thorn grove
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Effort

strange python
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shits pretty easy

drifting orbit
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well nothing to learn about outlaw

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lmao

strange python
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i know sub and sin

sudden brook
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yeah there is u silly goose

jaunty dagger
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assa will easily be the worst spec for uldir after this

strange python
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i do nothing in outlaw

bronze hatch
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WORST

elder cypress
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iam siming for 300 dps more then yesterday

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how?

strange python
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I know outlaw and sin but clueless about sub

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tried it last night on zekvos prog

bronze hatch
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jesus

sage cosmos
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Just loot weapons for outlaw

vestal wren
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Spell data overwrite for ss nerf(if you want to sim on raidbots):
override.spell_data=effect.734512.coefficient=3.007362

strange python
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did half of the dps of the other outlaw

vestal wren
bronze hatch
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if ur top 10 dps and WORST

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its still top 10

strange python
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YES

drifting orbit
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im fine with sub and assa but outlaw, fuck that man

weak pine
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Top 10 means nothing

sudden brook
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its crazy that all 3 rogue specs are top 10 dps and ppl still lose their minds whenever they get a slight bump

hollow cloud
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Yeh man it only means ur top10

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smh

spiral bolt
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Top 10 saddest animes deaths: number 1 assasination rogue

bronze hatch
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only game i know people go apeshit about so small things

sudden brook
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u ever played league?

drifting orbit
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assa will still be fine

jaunty dagger
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idk what you're looking at, but for mythiculdir only outlaw is top 10

spiral bolt
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Logs > Sims ;/

timber nacelle
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zul?

sudden brook
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total data isnt how u should think what spec is best lol

daring imp
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^ OMEGALUL

sudden brook
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this is ALL of the dps specs

bronze hatch
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if ur good at playing sin and ur not doing wf

sudden brook
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40k constant

bronze hatch
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sin is 100% fine

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i even got into raids as feral

weak pine
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Better buff sub

bronze hatch
jaunty dagger
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so if sub is shit on 7/8 of the fights it's good?

sudden brook
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but sub isnt shit on 7/8 fights

spiral bolt
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Sub's next xD

strange python
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wf?

sudden brook
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world first

terse rune
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zul fight is cheesed. in a normal raid environment the adds would die and sub wouldnt do that much dmg

indigo mulch
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Sub is def not shit on ST fights. 😐

stable oxide
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I was benched for Zek'vos mythic 😒

spiral bolt
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Better get back to outlaw

true thistle
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as long as you are not tryhards that every 100 dps counts for you on sims, every rogue spec is a-top of dps

weak pine
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Sub has best logs for all the bosses on mythic

daring imp
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oy gimme back my 100deeps

weak pine
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Out of rogue specs

true thistle
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y'all only looking at statistics via warcraftlogs

strange python
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100 dps is 100 dps /shrug

true thistle
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but lol, you play for logs or to kill bosses ffs

spiral bolt
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Yep, im calling it, Sub nerf in 1-2 weeks

sudden brook
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why would sub get nerfed

bronze hatch
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and u fat fingering a skill and missing gcd is 500dps

indigo mulch
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Sharpened blade will be nerfed in the next couple of patches.

bronze hatch
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but u dont think about that

strange python
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SB nerf inc

sudden brook
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sharpened blade sucks

indigo mulch
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Agreed, its horrible to play with

sudden brook
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no

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its just bad

timber nacelle
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who has 3 sb to play it anyway?

drifting orbit
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SB is no option

nova gorge
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I do

strange python
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same

daring imp
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i want sharpened blades buff so it turns into AoE ❀

true thistle
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try plaing sub and fuck up your opener

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or sin and fuck up your opener

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you lose mora than 100dps

spiral bolt
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How do you fuck sins opener? i need a guide for that

nova gorge
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You press the wrong button?

daring imp
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lul

sudden brook
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SB is ONLY good on ST, and even then its only good on exclusively patchwork fights due to needing autos to get stacks

timber nacelle
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reapply garrote through fatfingering

shy mica
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garrote rup garrote muti rup vendetta exsang ezkatk

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a

true thistle
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for example go for ghun and fuck up your tab button

stable oxide
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Whats SB again?

drifting orbit
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or somehow dont apply exsa over 4 gcds bc you have fatfingers

sudden brook
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sharpened blades

strange python
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reapply garrote after exsang

stable oxide
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oh yeah ofc

daring imp
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one can fuck up SS on st too

vestal wren
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sin hotfix simc overwrite.
override.spell_data=effect.734512.coefficient=3.00614
laser matrix should be(if i made no mistake):
override.spell_data=effect.738156.coefficient=40.5

just put it in like showed in the pic on advanced mode.

tidal sand
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wonder if will be worth only have one SS now

daring imp
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ever accidentally reapplied that garrote w/o subterfuge? πŸ˜›

vestal wren
hard plaza
sudden brook
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dead spec

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pack it up boys

spiral bolt
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shadow priest it is

weak pine
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Up to 1k dps loss with the nerf

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Wonderful

strange python
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did they not even fix the SS bug before they nerfed it?

tidal sand
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no

true thistle
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@vestal wren is possible getting simc string via www, if i have no access to the game atm?

sudden brook
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they might have, have to find out when servers are live

blissful dove
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Ladies and gentlemen, Blizzard Entertainment.

bronze hatch
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play with 2x SS atm

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and 3x after nerf

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u will not see diffrence

true thistle
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play 3ss before nerf

vestal wren
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@true thistle you could use armory import on raidbots

strange python
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is herodamage up to date for the nerfs?

sudden brook
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no

weak pine
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I'm o glad I only got 1xSS

true thistle
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But can I change this string so i can get actual data, comparing to ss nerf?

drifting orbit
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@vestal wren raidbot tells me its an invalid command

hollow cloud
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works for me

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I only sim 300 less GWseremePeepoThink

sudden brook
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sounds like enough of a reason to reroll to shadow

hollow cloud
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nah

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reroll unholy

strange python
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tru

drifting orbit
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well not working for me

sudden brook
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pog

hollow cloud
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why go for the 2nd to last when I can just go last

strange python
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i lost like 400 dps

tiny vapor
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Unholy ? D:

indigo mulch
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With how many traits Phy?

ruby girder
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so 3 ss is 2400 dps -40% = 1440 dps ? is this how it works

blissful dove
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no

indigo mulch
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I don't think the nerf is huge anyway. Sin will still top cleave targets.

shy mica
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Doubt it

sudden brook
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sins probably much more in line for M+ at least

hard plaza
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Only show your dps in meters then your always top

mortal warren
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40% is mostly to reduce the massive dmg assa did in m+

hard plaza
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problem solved

tropic hull
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let's hope bliz fix ss bug

strange python
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do i still run 1x ss for the cb points in m+

sudden brook
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u prolly run 3 in M+

drifting orbit
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well i still sim for 15.3k

sudden brook
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but im not sure yet

drifting orbit
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2x SS 1x Lazer

indigo mulch
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Yeah

strange python
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ok i was running 2x and 1x lazer before

indigo mulch
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I'm running 2x 1x lazer aswell.

blissful dove
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there are a lot of other classes doing just as much damage in m+

sudden brook
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no there wasnt

strange python
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DH btw

drifting orbit
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lol try to keep up with a good DH

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you cant

blissful dove
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it all depends on the pulls

spiral bolt
sudden brook
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yes if you pull like 18 things mongo cleave is gonna be better than SS

shadow gull
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~800dps loss with the trait nerf, 14.9k to 14.1k for me

timber nacelle
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holy

drifting orbit
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i also got more Yuki

blissful dove
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well what are you doing? pulling 2-3 targets at a time?

lost coral
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he lost 800 gali

sudden brook
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i mean usually on 15s at least right now you pull somewhat small

drifting orbit
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i think i had 14.6 b4 and now its 15.3

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oh

tardy yoke
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are sims updated?

drifting orbit
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nvm im stupid

strange python
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Not yet

quasi iris
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Nice to wake up seeing we are getting nurfed 40% instead of bringing other shit traits up to par.. LOVE FEELING WEAKER EVERY SINGLE WEAK

lost coral
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exan still simming higher for me

blissful dove
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the amount of the community running 15s right now is extremely small

cedar anchor
strange river
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the trait was way out of line of the othr ones lol

drifting orbit
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fuu posted a command for the assa hotfix but raidbot wont let me use a override command tho

cedar anchor
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for my m+ crit mast heavy build

oak grail
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I guess its back to sub bois

sudden brook
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well yes but assa was an extreme outlier at high keys is my point

cedar anchor
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its just not that bad of a nerf

lilac sparrow
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I got some dps loss from raidbot.. it seems fixes are live on raidbot

strange python
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Yea its time to go back to roots

timber nacelle
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im simming less than my outlaw now

strange python
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@drifting orbit you need to click "advanced" not quick sim

drifting orbit
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oh thanks man!

quasi iris
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Not that bad of a nurf?? Im doing 900 less dps than yesterday lmfao..

blissful dove
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so because a spec excels at one thing it should be nerfed in all things?

ruby girder
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what if they nerfed rogue to make people switch to less played classes? πŸ€”

blissful dove
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gotcha

sudden brook
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when did i say that

quasi iris
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simed of course

strange river
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the changelog on raidbots doesnt have it in the latest git commit

spiral bolt
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Blizz nerfed me in 0,95% rtb

sage cosmos
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Yea @ruby girder just play feral, they wont get nerfed for a while

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πŸ˜„

sudden brook
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assa is an extreme outlier in terms of how good a trait is, they nerfed all of the traits that were out of line, it was overnerfed probably due to how insane the trait was in M+

snow orchid
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I'm done switching back and forth to play our fotm. I'm staying sin

oak grail
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So we used to be good in mythic + and now we are shit?

drifting elbow
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its like assa lost only 500dps on 3 target

blissful dove
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assassination will still be fine

sudden brook
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you used to be amazing on ST, and M+ and are now slightly worse in ST and M+

drifting elbow
cedar anchor
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no wer used to be crazy op in m+

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now we are good

hollow cloud
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Why do people only talk in extremes

blissful dove
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it will still do what assassination does well

drifting orbit
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calm down assa will still be fine

hollow cloud
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I dont understand GWsetmyxPeepoWeird

ruby girder
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i blame streamers

sudden brook
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bcuz every nerf means my class is DEAD

spiral bolt
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5 min sim for 3 target : 21.605 DPS to 20.681 DPS

oak grail
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Is it worth getting 3x SS now then? ive only got 2 before nerf

sage cosmos
#

BuT mY cLaSs Is RuInEd REEEE

timid grotto
#

nerfs still arent live on raidbots

strange river
#

do some comparisons using the string in the pins

tropic hull
#

i lose 4k aoe

drifting elbow
#

thats with buffed with raids rhuan?

#

do u expect to be buffed like that in m+

ruby girder
#

14 483 before nerf πŸ’© im going to be useless

cold hatch
#

Lost 500~ dps with 2x SS, from 13.6k to 13.1k in ST

bronze hatch
#

dead class

timber nacelle
#

are you without scrolls in m+?

bronze hatch
#

go 2 channels down

oak grail
#

time to re-roll

strange python
#

I lost 1100 dps ST

bronze hatch
#

better dps there

blissful dove
#

sims are one thing, in practice is another

strange river
#

yall are cute

drifting elbow
#

sometimes without scrolls

sudden brook
#

i keep saying that but its crazy to me how good all the rogue specs are very very strong and competitive, but ppl are losing their minds like their fav spec is garbage and unplayable

indigo mulch
#

If you don't have 3x SS then you nerf shouldnt be all to bad.

drifting elbow
#

sometimes without lust

candid phoenix
#

the nerf will not rly have a huge impact in raids

ashen dock
#

Links to changes ?

drifting elbow
#

sometimes not even pots

candid phoenix
#

we might lose like 100-200 dps in raids

#

thats it

indigo mulch
#

Yup

spiral bolt
#

more like 600

strange river
#

the impact will be in m+

spiral bolt
#

yep

#

at least outlaw is fun on aoe

candid phoenix
#

but we NEEDED that nerf for M+

bronze hatch
#

its supposed to be in m+

slate dust
#

Sin dead?

candid phoenix
#

the dmg was ridiculous

indigo mulch
#

Sub is still a good option for m+

sudden brook
#

sin isnt dead

bronze hatch
#

do you people even play the game

slate dust
#

Rerolling druid

strange python
#

Yes

drifting elbow
#

its not even that hard nerf on m+

bronze hatch
#

or do you just sim in main city

strange python
#

Sin dead

drifting elbow
violet yew
#

OMG SIN IS DED

blissful dove
#

@sudden brook honestly it comes down to visibility of the specs, as far as streams and forums perceptions, not necessarily how the average player plays

strange river
#

i had sin rogues just taking dumps on me cuz i didnt have 3x ss, and they did 😦

sudden brook
#

yeah it was a bit silly that sin was the burst aoe spec

#

if u ask me

oak grail
#

Rip sin 😦 you will be missed

strange python
#

Unplayable

candid phoenix
#

well i m not even using 3 SS in raids anymore

strange python
#

Only thing that carried was ss

candid phoenix
#

and frankly now i can go down to 1

subtle tundra
#

I literally was 3x garotte and then rupture fok and then alt Tab to twitch and still top dps

candid phoenix
#

if Archive buff becomes useful

blissful dove
#

oh boy, will I finally be able to use my super exciting sharpened blades? </sarcasm>

sudden brook
#

sharpened blades is bad

strange river
#

WE SUB NOW BOIZ

sudden brook
#

u arent going to use it to begin with

sand whale
#

ty @vestal wren

dusky fulcrum
#

MFW i find out about the assassination nerfs after finally getting 370 azerite pieces with SS

strange python
#

lol you could 3x garrote almost on every boss, now it's nerfed to shit

blissful dove
#

I was being facetious

bronze hatch
#

its still gonna be strongest in m+

sudden brook
#

some ppl think sharpened blades was the best i wasnt sure :o(

bronze hatch
#

ur still gonna run atleast 2 SS

drifting orbit
drifting elbow
#

yay with raid buffed

bronze hatch
#

ur playstyle wont change at all

vestal wren
#

you still sim more then i am in sub :/

blissful dove
#

Nah, I was more saying the other traits are super boring

oak grail
#

What setup are you using to find the right sim? like settings

bronze hatch
#

ur just gonna be a bit more in line with other classes

frigid sleet
#

5% nerf in ST for me, 8% in aoe roughly

drifting orbit
#

assa so bad - reroll buhu

blissful dove
#

nothing seems great

sand whale
#

it's still going to be best on certain bosses

blissful dove
#

Sick system Blizz

sand whale
#

well not best but

#

not ueseless

candid phoenix
#

we will still run 3 SS in M+ anyway

bronze hatch
#

yep

candid phoenix
#

and in raid 2xSS 1 Lazer

strange python
#

Might as well bench rogues now

drifting orbit
#

no we run

#

3x SB now

strange python
#

Apart from zul

candid phoenix
#

or if archive becomes playable, we can get it too

strange python
#

more like you need to respec for m+ anyway

drifting orbit
#

and be fucking stupid

sudden brook
#

sharpened blade is bad naviRage

tropic hull
#

3 double does better

little frigate
#

rouges are ded, delet and send bob vagene

tropic hull
#

for st

blissful dove
#

3 twist the knife, deeper strat, toxic blade for those over 100k envenoms

drifting orbit
#

hello bitch lasagne

#

3 twist the knife still pvp BiS?

sudden brook
#

id assume so

blissful dove
#

depends

#

scent of blood x3 is what pika played

drifting orbit
#

for dem 40k envenoms

blissful dove
#

in 3s

strange python
drifting orbit
#

hmmm sounds good tho

drifting elbow
#

only 200dps for ST GWseremePeepoThink

#

very small nerf in m+

drifting orbit
#

but for 2v2, since i dont have enough friends for 3v3 ill stay with 3 twist the knife

strange python
#

Small

bronze hatch
#

@drifting elbow no dont try to talk sense

strange python
#

Omegalul

bronze hatch
#

CLASS DEAD

#

REROLL

strange python
#

More like unplayable

drifting orbit
#

OMG ASSA SO BAD

strange python
#

In m+

tropic hull
#

I lose 4k in AoE. Idk how is this small

subtle tundra
#

Death awaits

blissful dove
#

@drifting orbit that's what i would go with in 2s, with MFD

indigo mulch
#

What kind of script do i use in adv sim to sim the nerfs? O.o

drifting elbow
#

yea because u sim with fucking buffs on

wet yew
#

What is the next fotm?

drifting elbow
#

ofc u r going to lose bigger

solid nova
#

@indigo mulch Pins

tropic hull
#

i sim without BL and etc

indigo mulch
#

Cheerios!

drifting elbow
#

well thats bullshit to lose 4k on aoe GWskarzzLUL

#

did u even apply line right into text box

drifting orbit
#

@blissful dove well im playing disc assa anyways its not like i need traits for that combo lmao

tropic hull
#

and sim use 4 garrote

strange python
#

Or you dont know what you are doing

tropic hull
#

need resim for 3 target seems like

strange python
#

More likely case

ruby girder
#

Invalid commands: override.spell_data

#

i get this

timber nacelle
#

use advanced sim

strange python
#

sim in advanced

drifting orbit
#

advanced sim

ruby girder
#

oh ^^

strange python
#

don't forget that a few other outlier class traits also got nerfed, so the relative dps is still where it was before the nerf, just not as high a number

drifting elbow
#

u can just do it in top gear

#

advanced is mores specific changes

sudden brook
#

im pretty sure all of the super big outlier traits were nerfed

magic fossil
sudden brook
#

even stuff like monk which wasn't that great got their traits nerfed

timber nacelle
#

only 2 ss?

fallow tangle
#

So overwhelming power, gutripper or blood siphon for pvp?

versed bobcat
#

shrieking stars also got nerf i guess?

sudden brook
versed bobcat
#

oh wait

indigo mulch
#

its a 400 dps nerf for me.

#

I can live with that.

timber nacelle
#

900for me

bronze hatch
#

ppl will still cry that their class cant do 50k burst aoe when they pull like mongoloid in heroic raid

indigo mulch
#

I only have 2x SS tho.

strange python
#

Imagine being hard stuck on fetid, thinking this weeks gear will push it, JK trait nerfs and vantus nerf

sudden brook
#

LMFAO

strange python
#

500 guilds hard stuck on 4/8

sudden brook
#

oof

true thistle
#

how can i sum with change without simc addon from string? i've tried picking simc input via armory on raidbots.com but shows error for me

scenic marlin
#

Apparently bloodmallet had updated

drifting elbow
#

u have download simc addon

#

if u want to see changes

leaden seal
#

double dose new bis?

valid meadow
#

Yo! First time here

ruby girder
#

730 dps lose

valid meadow
#

I heard this is where i can cry about nerfs

ruby girder
#

pepehands

blissful dove
#

Frenetic Corpuscle was buffed... that kinda went under the radar

pliant jolt
#

Sorry to hear about ss nerf.

sudden brook
#

blood mallet isnt updated

drifting orbit
#

damn boralus is full of outlaws

pliant jolt
#

My thoughts and prayers are with y’all.

valid meadow
#

Well SS was a bugged ass ability anyways

drifting orbit
#

ASSA IS BAD NOW BOYS

leaden seal
#

lol

#

rip

strange python
#

Rip

sudden brook
#

better reroll shadow

strange python
#

Actually fucking dead

#

Class

drifting orbit
#

reroll shadow

blissful dove
#

And with a name like Poisondude, you're out of luck

hazy iron
#

DEAD SPEC, SOMEBODY CALL A MEDIC

ruby girder
#

whats my reroll

spiral furnace
#

Maybe I am now allowed to play Sub/Outlaw without being garbage

kindred cedar
#

HAHAHAHA

sudden brook
#

@ruby girder you get to reroll as feral

kindred cedar
#

those sim dps drops tho

bronze hatch
#

rerolling demo lock

sudden brook
#

DEMO POG

#

200% BUFF

#

LETS GO DEMO

bronze hatch
#

i dont remember when i last time saw demo lock

sudden brook
#

i literally havent seen a guardian druid or a demo lock this entire expansion

tawdry breach
#

roll outlul

strange python
#

inb4 all of rogue discord rolls demo lock in protest

atomic creek
#

Any US people able to tell me how bad or not bad at all the nerf to Shrouded Suffocation is?

strange python
#

LOL

vale marten
#

hahaaahaahaah 1 fucking k

ruby girder
#

@drifting orbit monkaS

strange python
#

Havoc didn't get nerfed though

valid meadow
#

Gali, that's a massive fucking monkaS

strange python
#

They only got their general traits nerfed

drifting orbit
#

I WILL REROLL SHADOW

true thistle
#

autobots, rollout -> sub

strange python
#

Revolving Blades is still stuper strong

drifting orbit
#

ASSA IS DEAD CONFIRMED

alpine grotto
#

I only have 1 ss so not that fused

valid meadow
#

Fuck it, i guess sub it is

sudden brook
#

just play what u like

ruby girder
#

sub blows

sudden brook
#

stop rerolling every week after ur dps is 100dps lower

lament dove
#

all the people rerolling sub actually simming higher on sub...?

jaunty dagger
#

they will nerfs revolving blades once enough people have rerolled havoc

peak sapphire
#

What class does ion play

valid meadow
#

Assassination on zul hc is a fuckin joke, the faster we kill the adds, the lower dps i get 😠

drifting orbit
#

i want that 100 deeps man

timber nacelle
#

going to check

drifting orbit
#

shadow it is now

strange python
#

Ion plays a shammy

atomic creek
#

The 1k loss is a 3 stack of shrouded suffocation I assume?

strange python
#

πŸ˜‚

sudden brook
#

ion plays resto shaman

vale marten
#

you always go sub on zul

drifting orbit
#

no i play 1 lazer 2 ss

sand whale
#

yes 1k is 3x

marble knoll
#

ion actually plays this game? coulda fooled me

valid meadow
#

Yeah but im shit at sub

#

i only know the bleeds and the poisons

strange python
#

easy fix just play healer and dps nerfs wont matter

sudden brook
#

thats y u should know how to play all thje specs

valid meadow
#

you kno'

vale marten
#

its the easiest shit on zul

sudden brook
#

since every spec is good on diff fights

atomic creek
#

All you do on Zul is AoE - Finisher and repeat

nimble tartan
#

how much WILL I LOSE

nova gorge
#

secret technique on zul?#

nimble tartan
#

HELp

sudden brook
#

like 600-1000

indigo mulch
#

I lost 400 dps i don't even care about the change.

white lance
#

How much we lost in m+ tho? 5’?

vivid bone
#

Haha lost 200 dps

#

gg

oak grail
#

Are you guys simming with raidbuffs or have i been fucking destroyed??

sand whale
#

you will now do 1dps omr

valid meadow
#

I hated that fucking trait anyways

vale marten
#

@nova gorge secret tech if you wqnt to pad

sudden brook
#

prolly a lot more in M+

viscid pawn
#

how do u sim now? thought it isnt updated yet

valid meadow
#

It was supposed to give me 5 combopoints

#

and i get 3

sudden brook
#

but sin shouldnt be the burst aoe spec to begin with

nimble tartan
#

yo im stoked for archive buffs i got hell aarchive 370 azerite

#

we in here boys

valid meadow
#

Are there new dps rankings for specs after the nerfs?

sudden brook
#

no

ruby girder
#

give archive buffs in M+

frigid sleet
#

yea cause that trait is so engaging

lament dove
#

so since assa got nerfed, you reroll to sub which sims lower?ionwut

stable oxide
#

is raidbots updated?

alpine grotto
#

Too many range classses crying about rogues again. Blizzard don t worry we will nerf them.

drifting orbit
#

is the tooltip for the archive perk updated tho?

nimble tartan
#

stray none of my sims have nerfed trait in

white lance
#

In 8.2 all we Will do is move our char, rest is passive

drifting orbit
#

i dont see any 20% buff

nimble tartan
#

sub was already super close

#

now sin smoll boy

valid meadow
#

What do we go for instead now, sharpened blades?

drifting orbit
#

whats BiS perks for sub anyways?

#

NO

#

you dont go SB

valid meadow
#

OKAY

sudden brook
#

sharpened blades is bad u dont do it

valid meadow
#

double dose?

subtle tundra
#

I sim higher on sub lmao

nimble tartan
#

double dose

sudden brook
#

maybe still SS

nimble tartan
#

scent of blood

sudden brook
#

who knows

misty hemlock
#

sharpened blades is such a boring trait anyways

dire steeple
#

Archive is not bad for Sub

valid meadow
#

it is, isnt it

blissful dove
#

Snooze Blades

drifting orbit
#

SS is still fine

valid meadow
#

But i hate the fact that SS is bugged

ruby girder
#

its all over

proud tusk
#

2x DD + 1xSS for m+ looks solid #Feelycrafting

valid meadow
#

it triggers me

main rain
#

double dose is bullshit in m+

sudden brook
#

DD is bad in M+

strange python
#

Nobody cares

sudden brook
#

unless u REALLY need the boss dmage on tyranical or w.e

strange python
dusky fulcrum
#

haa OMR get rekt, he has lower ilvl but sims higher dps than you OMEGALUL

tight meteor
#

so is raidbots updated?

drifting orbit
#

@subtle kiln gotta do the update command

drifting elbow
#

bloodmallet is

nimble tartan
#

dam wtf u were at 16k u r huge

#

lmao

alpine grotto
#

Worst bit is they nerfed it but have not fixed the trait so it work s so how does that work.

tight meteor
#

and ss is still bis? lol

strange python
#

2min ST with raidbuffs so nah

dusky fulcrum
#

FEELSROGUEMAN

#

🍿

drifting elbow
#

SS is still bis

#

especially in m+

tight meteor
#

thought it would be closer

dusky fulcrum
#

SS needs to get he bug fixed ASAP

tropic hull
#

for m+ SS only option

nimble tartan
#

we OUTLAW NOW

#

WE SUB NOW

tight meteor
#

its still way ahead lmao

drifting orbit
#

which SS bug?`

strange python
#

Yep it is bcs its still OP AoE trait

drifting orbit
#

WE ARE SHADOW NOW

drifting elbow
#

its not like there is any other good trait option GWskarzzLUL

sudden brook
#

bloodmallet isnt updated

novel zealot
#

Teeming fortified outlaw gonna be sik

main rain
#

They just need to fix that damn SS bug

drifting orbit
#

ASSA IS DED BOIS

sudden brook
#

bloodmallet is 100% not updated

tight meteor
#

im waiting for herodamage anyway

ruby girder
#

14 835 DPS with 2 ss + 1 laser could be worse

sudden brook
strange python
#

you can pretend to be sarcastic, but everything is dead after blizz nerfs it

drifting elbow
#

azerite updated since 0h ago

strange python
#

hm

dusky fulcrum
#

Blizzard "nerf" is actually blizzard "death" havent ulearned?!?!

drifting orbit
#

lmao and the say assa is unbalanced with its perks

#

boys we are WW now

proud tusk
#

It wont update until NA maintenance is over

dusky fulcrum
#

Time to join DREAMGROVE and reroll feral 🐱

sudden brook
#

FERAL POG

drifting elbow
#

we arent saying that MONK one is updated guy

strange python
#

Is Raidbots

drifting elbow
#

πŸ€”

strange python
#

up to date?

tawdry breach
#

so instead of fixing the SS bug, they nerf it by 40%? Why fix it when you can nerf it so hard people will stop using it? monkaSSSSSSSS

drifting orbit
#

check pinned messages

dusky fulcrum
#

NA beta testing hotfixes as usual 🍿

sudden brook
#

why would they update only the rogue one but not all of them

oak grail
#

REEEEEEE time to re-roll BM hunter

drifting elbow
#

because TIME?

#

something has to be last one

dusky fulcrum
#

Time to reroll AFK hunter *

drifting elbow
strange python
#

Thanks Gfife

sudden brook
#

but

strange python
sudden brook
#

what

strange python
#

:I

nimble tartan
#

can u link ur gear 50hz

drifting orbit
#

dont do it

strange python
#

Its all about that 385 Galeforce babe

nimble tartan
#

cause boy im 374 in bags and onlygot up to 15.4k

#

ahh yee ok

drifting orbit
#

just reroll shadow

dusky fulcrum
#

SHADOW IN 2K18 LUL

drifting orbit
#

assa is ded

nimble tartan
#

i mean tbh sin was a decent spec only for the first 4 fights...

novel zealot
#

I'm 370 with galeforce and still only 15.3

nimble tartan
#

everyone was gonna play sub for the rest of the way in prog

strange python
#

Hmmm

dusky fulcrum
#

im 365 with 350 galeforce and my dps is 14.8k pre nerf

sudden brook
#

its not updated

strange python
#

Sub was only good for zul

nimble tartan
#

naw sub is really good for fetid

dusky fulcrum
#

y'all need to stop using ilvl that has worse stats

viscid pawn
#

how do u sim the changes in advanced sim?

timid grotto
#

how are u simming with the 40% nerf already?

strange python
#

3x SS exsang > sub

novel zealot
#

Not using it with worse stats

nimble tartan
#

ive seen a bunch of private logs with triple sub

strange python
#

Not anymore tho

nimble tartan
#

naw

#

not even b4 lmao

novel zealot
#

Just have 365 weps

timid grotto
#

oh

strange python
#

Maybe you should do the fight first

merry rune
#

So quick q, why are people garroting 3 times in the opener ? Does it stack ?

strange python
#

Omegalul

nimble tartan
#

nightblade ez healing reduction

tight meteor
#

combo points

nimble tartan
#

tisumifan you're just a discord bully

#

u r sad boi i pray 4 u

clear harbor
#

I just g - g - rup

nimble tartan
#

inshallah

indigo mulch
#

g > rup > g tbh πŸ˜„

drifting orbit
#

g g rup vendetta exsa?

nimble tartan
#

πŸ™

merry rune
#

Ait tx I thought I was missing something :)

fallow sinew
#

is SS still king for M+ after the nerf ?

drifting elbow
#

ys

obsidian ridge
#

sooooo is ss trash now or still fine?

drifting elbow
#

*yes

nova gorge
#

g > rup > g > ven > mut > rup > exsang

obsidian ridge
#

oh some1 asked the same question

#

nvm then. ty

nova gorge
#

pretty sure thats what the gudie says anyway

dusky fulcrum
#

Garrote -> Rupture -> garrote -> vendetta -> mutilate -> rupture -> exg -> vanish -> garrote -> rupture -> conceede

indigo mulch
#

eh

nova gorge
#

you don't vanish immediately though

indigo mulch
#

yeah

strange python
#

Okay u are just stupid

#

Confirmed

dusky fulcrum
#

🍿

drifting elbow
#

exg before vanish

#

woah

#

u r going to do that?

merry rune
#

Exsang for PvP is dumpster right?

dusky fulcrum
#

You've been wooshed

drifting elbow
nova gorge
#

you do do that

tight meteor
#

trolling btw

dusky fulcrum
#

Rogue in hearthstone is coin-> prep-> conceede

#

rogue in wow now is exg all bleeds -> garrote -> rupture -> conceede

indigo mulch
#

g > r > g > ven > muti > rup > exsang > muti to 4x > evi > muti to 4x > vanish > g > g > rup

#

I belive.

sudden brook
#

its prep > coin concede actually

dusky fulcrum
#

oh fuck ur right

#

i need to step up my meme game

sudden brook
#

get with the program scrub

wild zodiac
#

is it even worth using garrote now?

dusky fulcrum
#

stupid work is making me off my game

nimble tartan
#

the new opener is shadowblades ss nightblade

#

symbols dh

#

shd

sudden brook
#

no you should never cast garrote wasted global

dusky fulcrum
#

Garrote is always worth using

tight meteor
#

@wild zodiac no

kind stump
#

conceEde

hard plaza
#

Mutilate envemon only

nimble tartan
#

@wild zodiac i wouldnt use garrote anymore

dusky fulcrum
#

YOU WIN THIS TIME

hard plaza
#

nothing else

drifting orbit
#

so boys since we reroll

sudden brook
#

FAN OF KNIVES

nova gorge
#

just mutliate kidney shot

wild zodiac
#

@nimble tartan I wouldn't play rogue anymore πŸ˜‚

drifting orbit
#

gimme names for my shadow

sudden brook
#

ENVENOM

#

ONLY

hard plaza
#

cheapshot

viscid pawn
#

i only loose 200dps with 1 ss trait

hard plaza
#

wait for cd

sudden brook
#

distract

nimble tartan
#

rogues 🀣

warm cove
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i heard legion fok spam is coming back

hard plaza
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cheapshot auto attack

dusky fulcrum
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Fan of knives x5 -> kidneyshot -> fan of knives x5 -> envenom -> vanish -> hearthstone away

nimble tartan
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my mage is alreasy 375

sudden brook
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vanish hearthstone

viscid pawn
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how do u sim for aoe? hectic cleave fight with how many targets?

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and how long?

dusky fulcrum
wild zodiac
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what's bis trait

sudden brook
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duno yet

wild zodiac
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SS? Sinister Strike?

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πŸ‘

sudden brook
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yes sinister strike

dusky fulcrum
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BiS trait is the one trait you do not have currently

sudden brook
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is the best trait

nimble tartan
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imagine still playing a 40% reduced damage trait a true beta spec

nova gorge
dusky fulcrum
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it always is

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check what trait you are missing, that is the bis trait

nimble tartan
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chads only use archive of the titans only

tight meteor
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chads use pvp traits only

wild zodiac
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I'm more of a Britney than a Chad

nimble tartan
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thats true

dusky fulcrum
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Archive of titans in M+ dungeons feelings

fallow sinew
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!ss

prisma monolithBOT
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Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

wild zodiac
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Chads are too suffocating

nimble tartan
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archive of the titans still works in m+ we out here

wild zodiac
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and Shrouded in mystery

nimble tartan
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im CHAIN PULLIN

nova gorge
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Arrrrchive for outlaw

keen inlet
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Hi. Reminder that off topic is the appropriate channel for memes and general hysteria

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Okay? Great.

sudden brook
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u missed out

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assa was the hysteria channel all night

keen inlet
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Yeah, I am aware. I have a baby.

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So just stop

nimble tartan
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🀧 my ss is feeling a bit under the weather im at about 40% strength i need a good nights sleep maybe ill get better

jovial kite
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@warm parcel

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pog

keen inlet
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Or the banhammer flies. Ty.

viscid pawn
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there is nothing in the pins for aoe simming

sudden brook
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πŸ•΅

nimble tartan
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πŸ•΅

jovial kite
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@gusty kestrel

viscid pawn
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ty

wild zodiac
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join bluebois

dusky fulcrum
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πŸ•΅ SS nerf was an inside job, find the snitch or forever be on the bottom of DPS meters

nimble tartan
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i like my cute color

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member color best color

forest edge
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T

cursive kelp
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How big of a hit is the nerf with 3x 340 SS?

wild zodiac
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"find the snitch".... looks at warcraftlogs which is 100% public

nimble tartan
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im doing a fire sale if anyone is on my server im selling all herbs 40% off in celebration

tight meteor
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cute chat

wild zodiac
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@nimble tartan why would you sell herbs to rogues, they're benched

nimble tartan
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that's true maybe the benched rogues turned in to the cauldron boy

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just summoned in to drop a cauldron and zone out

modern walrus
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I have lock alt #fucyeah

hollow pine
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I also feel for WW

sudden brook
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im just glad all these absurd traits are getting nerfed a bit

modern walrus
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Agree

drifting orbit
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oh shit we still using assa for the offtopic?

modern walrus
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So I can remove 340 item

solid nova
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No, You're not.

wild zodiac
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@nimble tartan that would get summon stone nerfed if rogues used it

modern walrus
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Hahahahahah

kindred cedar
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suppose it's time to go sub again then?

misty light
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πŸ€” I sim higher with the nerf string added on raidbots

nimble tartan
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lmao zigur

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bro u gained dps u r strong as hell

misty light
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oh

tropic hull
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turn off bl

misty light
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it deleted it

ebon garden
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good thing i kept my 355 archive of the titans azerite piece

misty light
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interesting

drifting orbit
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i am confusion now, i got 2x SS 1x Lazer, but could spaw 1 SS for archive on a 370 piece but the sims dont chance

fierce ingot
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Can I use item restoration to get back all the azerite gear I didn't keep? Never used it

atomic creek
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So how does the override work for raidbots?

misty light
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you can get 1 piece per 15 days

fierce ingot
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I kept the good traits but I want the shit ones back in case they get buffed

misty light
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I strongly suggest you put in a ticket and tell you the yo-yo balancing fucked you over

fierce ingot
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That's a good shout

peak sapphire
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Its 50 pieces in one attempt every 15 days

fierce ingot
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Oh

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Sweet

misty light
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because the whack-a-mole approach to azerite design is a fucking disaster that addresses none of the problems and just swaps the top trait that every spec is trying to stack every other week without improving anything about it

vestal abyss
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WHat time is the livestream today?

misty light
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anyway got raidbots working, ~500 dps loss for me

strange python
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What livestream