amber sequoia
those are good example ones the outlaw ones
#assassination
restive bluff
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
rose dove
@serene glacier I like the idea, could do something like that and maybe make it scale off azerite armor ilvl
brittle yew
On a serious note how do people think the SS nerf will effect us? Alot? A little?
sudden brook
i mean the concept of SS i like, extra combo points and damage from stealth is good
just it was TOO much damage
vocal wave
I means let's be honest, were the majority of tier sets even that exciting? I remember most to be passive
unborn barn
I wish they'd fix the bugged bit with the nerf
unborn barn
Would make my life easier
strange python
@brittle yew 10-15% flat overall loss
sudden brook
the only tier i remember from legion was the outlaw one where run through gave you RTB buffs
most tier sets were boring as shit lol
about as boring as azerite
eager cobalt
@sudden brook idk SS would have been better if the you got the extra combo points
frank wyvern
i dont fucking miss tiers
hallow sage
yo so how bugged is cannonball runner on a scale of 1 to memetastic?
unique zenith
tiers were meh, but I miss legendary effects, just not their rng obtainment
eager cobalt
I hate that I don't get 4cp from 1 opener
frank wyvern
sick of them for 13 years
merry notch
im 347 and my dps sucks as sin, what do. I keep my dots up
frank wyvern
i miss tier looks, class wide
sudden brook
yeah legendaries were sick
frank wyvern
now its like armor wide
eager cobalt
I really miss legendaries
lofty sand
Back in Legion when they first got artifacts, some classes got the short end of the stick because their class needed to have 3 golden dragon traits to work and back then you barely managed to get one grinding. Then they expanded on that and it was better, then it got worse then better again. My guess is that we are just getting a replay of that now, just like a lot of BFA feels like a Legion re-release, almost like a legion patch
sudden brook
now obtaining legendaries
frank wyvern
so its less work for blizzard
sudden brook
that was ass
eager cobalt
Why didn't they add them in as talents or abilites for leveling to 120???
That blows my mind
110 to 120 and no fucking skills or talents
tight meteor
if legendaries werent rng people would complain when their bis legendary was nerfed and they cant refund it
brittle yew
Seems a little extreme, would make more sense that scrap this mess of a system and bring back set gear and leggos:D
sudden brook
unironically 100% true
tight meteor
theres no way to please players
unique zenith
I would kill for util legendaries though
sudden brook
sets were boring as fuck, just like azerite, and legendaries were ass to obtain
there is no way to please everybody lol
unique zenith
I remember triple leap warrior shoulders
opaque junco
Many legendaries have been incorporated as talents
unique zenith
I loved those
sand canyon
hm i guess momentum fortified weeks and demonic in tyrannical weeks?
tight meteor
everyone would have the same legendaries and we would have the same problem imo
sand canyon
😛
sudden brook
I just remember my first sin legnedary was will of valeera that was a pretty fun time to raid EN
strange python
there's no way to please players, just give LITERALLY ZERO EFFORT CHANGES
eager cobalt
I think that leggos should have been targetable after like your 4th one
unique zenith
we should just homogenize dps
eager cobalt
4 random 1 you can pick
unique zenith
make all classes do exactly the same dps in all scenarios
sour trout
So.. best rogue spec?
rose dove
"If we can't please every player, just make all of them mad 
"
sour trout
best spec to raid and beat my guildies
brittle yew
I've always said a Legendary token should of dropped and you exchange for the one you want
sudden brook
dpeends on the fight and gear
viral juniper
that SS nerf tough, damn son
sour trout
because toxic cocky hunter
brittle yew
I feel that would of solved alot of the salt
serene glacier
the best spec is the one that can soak more shit ... let's be honest xd
lofty sand
who even knows right now
unique zenith
@sour trout just use tricks of the trade on pull and get him killed
sudden brook
theres nothing to soak in this raid tier
serene glacier
why till you get to Mythic Zul xd
sour trout
now i dont know what to bring int oraid tomorrow
lofty sand
bring your good humor
tight meteor
soak quaking in m+ 😃
lost coral
rogues afk spamming evis at zul
lofty sand
a smile on your face
strange python
@azure riverwald unfortunate that you can't do enough dps to take the aggro away with tricks anymore
sudden brook
lol
unique zenith
pull early
opaque junco
U can if u try hard enough
strange python
If you are good
paper root
anything else gotten a buff or is something else better now?
sand canyon
"@sand canyon back to sub after SS nerf? LUL"
unique zenith
I mean, I don't play assa, I know on outlaw I can easily haved aggro for the first 4-5 seconds
final citrus
bm hunter is better now
sudden brook
i mean that trait is probably still bad
onyx rock
you all pretend that the overall dmg of the specs has been reduced by 40%. it's just a stupid trait. most of you are not even close to an area where it would make a difference.
serene glacier
that trait was 40-50% the dmg tho
cedar anchor
ow yeah the shitstorm when the nerfs come :3
bleak river
Lol? @onyx rock
serene glacier
so you are right it's "only" 20% dmg nerf
strange python
@onyx rock ok dud u must kno betta cauz u world first raida like limit
cedar anchor
kinda glad my 3xss is just 340, the nerf wont be as painful for me
soft island
I mean this much spam is beyond readable was hoping I will learn something useful here today. Boy was I wrong hehe. As always tho 🤙
peak sapphire
Help i sim 11k now down from 14k
opaque junco
Sounds about right
eager cobalt
did you forget to put hear on?
serene glacier
git gud?
strange python
help i sim 9k down from 13k
dusky fulcrum
Hey guys its sco here, delete rogue from game pls they to strong ty ⚠
paper root
Garrote is also empowered by the subterfuge talent, so idk how much the multipliers etc factors in
vivid bone
40% nerf is way too much!
vivid bone
well that's just not true lol
dusky fulcrum
NO SS WAS COMPLETELy BROKEN MAAAN
serene glacier
Jokes on you Method doesn't even use rogues xd @dusky fulcrum
peak sapphire
Nerf ss but dont fix the bug in same patch 
sudden brook
SS was broken nephew
dusky fulcrum
Method used sub rogues to melt zul @serene glacier
strange python
NERF SS AGAIN
dusky fulcrum
so ur wrong
tight meteor
lets all parse giga bad so they revert 😄
dusky fulcrum
!!!1111one
serene glacier
to soak zul you mean
blazing ocean
What's happening send help
dusky fulcrum
sub spams evicerate on zul to put him into phase 2
do u even mythic broooooooo
Shuriken storm-> evicerate Shuriken storm-> eviceratev Shuriken storm-> evicerate Shuriken storm-> evicerate Shuriken storm-> evicerate
terse pawn
everyone brings like 5 rogues to zul now
sudden brook
Shuriken tornado**
lost coral
shurikan tornado actulally
sudden brook
^^
tranquil ermine
you cant translate one fight where all factors favour sub doing strong dps to the spec being strong as a whole tho
dusky fulcrum
i never said that lol
sand canyon
time for the alpha spec now.
dusky fulcrum
also i was sarcastic when i said rogues to strong
then again, why is STREAKING STARS not nerfed
blizz pls
sudden brook
why would it get nerfed?
strange python
good bye my love
willow pulsar
Here we bo boyz, ss nerf in hotfix
terse pawn
it's possible to do fine with all 3 specs
sudden brook
why should every spec that has a slightly above average trait be nerfed
terse pawn
the mythic leaderboards are hilarious though
unique zenith
because then nobody would take any dps druid :omegalul: it should be nerfed to be in line though
terse pawn
sub rogues doing 40k overall on zul lmao
strange python
@terse pawn yy just play SS
silk jolt
is hotfix live?
prisma crescent
Posting again for the 4/8N rogues in here
Garrote is still going to be one of our hardest hitting abilities with Subterfuge and the extra 2 CP from SS will more than likely warrant running at least one. Most likely 1SS 2SB will be BiS after nerfs.
dusky fulcrum
they nerfed SS and now the best trait for sin isnt even a specc specific trait
omegalul
strange python
11k is called tier 2 btw
but it's fine
everyone can be happy
maybe toggle thhe meter off?
serene glacier
the asian outlaw rogues man.. always somethig special xd in antorus they were playing snd when everyone else played rtb.. now killing spree
strange python
sure
sudden brook
why r u lying giffeswe
dusky fulcrum
killing spree is sick to burst down hexers
im not lying, the hotfix isnt in the sims yet, its shrödingers cat
sudden brook
dusky fulcrum
morally gray
terse pawn
chinese mythic raiders stacking shuriken tornado lmao
sudden brook
if SS is literally dead in the water like ppl think, sharpened blades is still good
unique zenith
killing spree in zul for the sick padding 👌
I approve
sudden brook
and tblast is worse so DD is better
vapid flint
I know this probably been talked about but even after the nerf to shroud its still our best trait right?
mighty venture
God knows. Is there any sim already?
dusky fulcrum
@sudden brook i highly doubt that trait stacking will be a thing anymore, i think 1 SS 1 mainstat stack and 1 blast will be bis
sudden brook
what?
dusky fulcrum
40% dmg nerf means that if you have 3 SS instead of 1 SS you still dont even reach same dmg as if u had 2 SS pre-nerf
sudden brook
"i highly doubt that trait stacking will be a thing anymore"
why would stacking traits be bad
im confused
dusky fulcrum
obviously i meant stacking SS and blast
unique zenith
I think he means in reference to assa
dusky fulcrum
but whatever take me litterally word for word mate
sudden brook
it wasnt obvious
sudden brook
Why would STACKIng be bad for ASSA
unique zenith
1 uldir buff for origination, I guess 1 SS for cp gen, then (insert dps trait here)
dusky fulcrum
1 SS and 3 SS will not have same difference anymore
vapid flint
Im pretty sure the nerfs arent live yet they will be later today though
dusky fulcrum
1 blast probably rosewald
sudden brook
tblast got nerfed
vivid bone
I'm actually happy about my unluck with SS azerite gear now
vapid flint
Was thunderblast that strong?
vivid bone
Only had 1 to begin with
hard plaza
🙄 have 3
dusky fulcrum
cant remmber name
unique zenith
my only question is why we can't have this conversation without tempers flaring
sudden brook
matrix/archive
hard plaza
Oh well deadshot all over again
vapid flint
I mean SS was over tuned
unique zenith
just pay a moonguard nightelf for a good time
vapid flint
I just dont want it to be bad now
dusky fulcrum
SS was in a decent spot since its a niche talent that is worse the longer the fight goes
unique zenith
release the tension
dusky fulcrum
but thats my opinion
hard plaza
Yeah but instead of nerfijg traits, they should buff the others to be closed to kt
More interesting
dusky fulcrum
blizzard never buffs anything
dusky fulcrum
"oh this is #1?" better nerf it into #5
vapid flint
Because it was a neat mechanice for rogues
inland path
where does this leave assassination for keys
unique zenith
I saw some buffs in the notes
sudden brook
depends on ur comp
terse hinge
Lol...
sudden brook
well they buffed ace 2 weeks ago?
terse hinge
Picks blindside on talents now
dusky fulcrum
blizzard buffing feral by 5% and nerfing rogue traits by 40%
terse hinge
Lmfao
dusky fulcrum
obviously blizzard cant get numbers right
why not buff feral 15% or smth so it actually gets competetive
vivid bone
I'M SO MAD ABOUT NERFS
sudden brook
yeah balancing a video game is hard
strange python
T I E R 2 E M B R A C E
terse hinge
Dude I thought ferals were supposed to be discount rogues
dusky fulcrum
like holy fuck
terse hinge
Not the other way around
autumn night
so what do you guys think back to sub after assassin nerfs?
strange python
B O T T O M D P S
sudden brook
probably bcuz assa was extremely potent in raid, and destroying high keys with SS
shrewd night
@vivid bone Come join the dark side
dusky fulcrum
hey can i get a small loan to buy a house? - Sure fam here's 40% interest plan for you
sage cosmos
Dont be an idiot.. It's much safer to nerf with high numbers, than buff with high numbers. Buffing has much bigger consequences if something breaks.
unique zenith
because the whole point of the nerf is so other traits would be viable for assa
dusky fulcrum
like are u serious
FORTY PERCENT
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
tender walrus
Monks got 55% nerf lmao
vivid bone
@shrewd night hi! No!
terse hinge
To be honest thats what I used to think feral shoulda been
steel spire
nerf means nothing
dusky fulcrum
nobody likes monks anyway
hidden dome
it'll be fine guys damn
dusky fulcrum
give monks 99% nerf
dusky fulcrum
it'll never be fine im unsubbin reeeeeee
terse hinge
Maybe thats just me
random sentinel
Pray4Monk
strange python
it'll be fine guys, just look at shadow priests and ferals, they get treatment and so should we after 3 expansions
terse hinge
LOL
unique zenith
can we buff holy paladin holy shock until shockadin becomes a top 3 dps spec
sudden brook
why do u think rogue is bad still fyru
unique zenith
pls
shrewd night
Someone told me ass chat was off the rails, but this is actually hilarious
strange python
@sudden brook can't compete no more my dude
terse hinge
Rogue is fine. Its just not the bedt
strange python
it's a rip
hidden dome
windwalker monks knew they were gonna get fisted. Blizzard doesn't like seeing them at the top of the single target sim, esp not because of an azerite trait
hidden dome
no pun intended
dusky fulcrum
Somebody once told me the world was gonna roll me, i aint the sharpest blade in the beeeelt
strange python
@terse hinge sorry, you have no idea how big this nerf is
terse hinge
@strange python i am aware.
shrewd night
If anyone here thought ss wasnt going to get nerfed, can I have some of what theyve been smoking?
sudden brook
rogues dead
steel spire
im happy they didnt change how subterfuge works with the trait
terse hinge
Then I took a moment to calm down.
sudden brook
reroll feral
dusky fulcrum
well the nerfs keep comin and they dont stop coming, fed up with nerfs so i better start running, didnt make sense the very first time but we might aswell pretend we are all okaaay
terse hinge
And address the issue first hand
dusky fulcrum
heynow, you're an outlaw, get ur blade out, go slash
terse hinge
Theres no use getting angry at something that we cant change
dusky fulcrum
assassin is deeeeeaaaaaaaaaad, might aswell just go sharpen our blaadeees
shrewd night
Im slashing bruther
terse hinge
We know blizzard will do this
unique zenith
man, I actually really am excited to see the updated sims
and see all these 7k sims
sage cosmos
If you prefer 50% of your dmg to come from a trait, you're actually bonkers anyway. 🤷
sudden brook
7k sims LUL
unique zenith
that apparently will happen
serene glacier
THUNDERFURYS OUT, START SLASHING WITH THEM SNAKES
dusky fulcrum
@sage cosmos ???????????++
strange python
IMPLYING TRAITS ARE NOT GAMEBREAKING
inland path
so x3 double dose?
terse hinge
Think of it like frost mage. Remember that one time they nerfed it to shit so that everybody stopped playing it and only it?
strange python
this discusssion
unreal bear
at least sin is still fun in arena...
dusky fulcrum
i didnt know SS made garrote do 70% of my damage
sudden brook
goodnight gamer
lyric pond
can any math genius tell me why DH are untouched?
dusky fulcrum
wtf blizz my details told me it was only 30%
unique zenith
oh shit, deadshot was nerfed, outlaw literal bottom of meters
terse hinge
@lyric pond Idk thay
dusky fulcrum
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
terse hinge
That
serene glacier
magic
terse hinge
DH is stupid
lyric pond
really they sure feel like they are lol
terse hinge
I will admit
dusky fulcrum
double jump = more dps
strange python
@sudden brook is a dh main and he is low-key keeping tier 1 rank 1
sudden brook
dhs are fine lol
jovial kite
just go sub 🤷
sage cosmos
Figure a speech, you're actually overreacting so hard it's redicolous.
lyric pond
i dont think so lol
rigid sky
dh is untouched because its fun to play, why touch it?
sudden brook
whats broken about DHs
willow pulsar
Dh traits are fine, the class in baseline is quite strong. And how it works
dusky fulcrum
🤷 sub is for weebos who watch anime and eat tootsie pops
strange python
why touch dh guys, dh is fine
terse hinge
I mean think of it this way
dusky fulcrum
sin is for cultured men with 160 IQ
unreal bear
poisons are dope tho. sin for life, mayne.
dusky fulcrum
DH is broken cause double jump
sudden brook
thank u
serene glacier
Sub is PvP spec smh
strange python
not all ppl with dh make huge dps cauz they probably play the game for the first time
dusky fulcrum
nerf double jump by 40%
terse hinge
DH is a hero class.
strange python
but assa rogue, every1 knows what to do
lyric pond
yeah maybe im new to the game lol
sudden brook
what does that have to do with dh being overtuned or not
shrewd night
Everyone knows what to do, until they nerfed the onebutton spec
Totally not bait btw
dusky fulcrum
nerf ghuun by 40% see how good he is? thats right LOGIC
hidden dome
seriously though, i wonder if assa will outperform sub or vice versa now
sudden brook
depends on the fight rlly
strange python
seriously though tier 2 is not tier 1 LUL gn
unique zenith
wait @dusky fulcrum vantus runes are nerfed, whole raid is fucked
random sentinel
@dusky fulcrum where you look that ?
dusky fulcrum
wat
civic palm
Maff iz Harde.
dusky fulcrum
ghuuns azerite traits got nerfed 40%
shrewd night
@random sentinel 🤦
sudden brook
giff is just circlejerking about ss nerf
dusky fulcrum
im bored at work can ublame me
sudden brook
not at all
unique zenith
nah
dusky fulcrum
fuckin europes most expensive hospital
unique zenith
I do that all the time
dusky fulcrum
and its chaos here
random sentinel
@shrewd night 😄
sudden brook
i still dont get why ppl want Dhs nerfed what caused this DH hate
lilac coral
poor spriests though
dusky fulcrum
cause they have double jump and i only have shadowstep reee
unique zenith
40% trait nerf, now we must burn all classes down
dusky fulcrum
♿ Shadowpriest coming through ♿
lilac coral
they're already in the tank and their best two generic traits got shit on lol
chrome ledge
wait so is the nerf live now or what?
unique zenith
honestly fuck shammy, its broken, lets nerf it
sudden brook
i feel like ppl look at statistics on warcraft logs and just think "thats what needs to be nerfed next"
unique zenith
have you seen shammy
ebon swallow
where can i find that hotfix, pls?
unique zenith
busted
dusky fulcrum
nef enhancement shamans, they outdps me on worldquest mobs
fucking fissure is OP pls nerf
jaunty arrow
Rip ss 
lilac coral
dudes literally just called a 9am meeting after the AMA and put bloodmallet on the hangout
sudden brook
"guys when is firemage getting nerfed"
dusky fulcrum
lol
ripe comet
ebon swallow
thx u so much
dusky fulcrum
glad they are doing fine in raid
lilac coral
the community does like 90% of these dudes' jobs
terse pawn
kappa
serene glacier
FDK OP... nerf breath
hidden dome
seriously Frost DK breath of sindi is broken as FKK
dusky fulcrum
ye but check m+ representation
cloud spindle
I think DH hate is because they are one of best aoe in M+ and one of best single target in M+ and one of best utility in M+
sudden brook
means stuff like statistics is a shit metric
cloud spindle
but rogue will always have a place due to utility
cyan stump
so now SS wont be the go to azerite trait anymore?
unique zenith
honestly, lets just nerf feral, we overtuned them
dusky fulcrum
i mean DH have a fucking aoe stun pls nerf
serene glacier
why are guild hidding logs, when method is streaming xd
cloud spindle
stuns out the ass
cloud spindle
huh
dusky fulcrum
Nerf every class that isnt my main class
cloud spindle
they have 3 stuns
sudden brook
do they?
terse hinge
@cloud spindle So does monk. Dh has 2 and imprison
cloud spindle
2 aoe stuns, 1 single target stun, imprison
terse hinge
Paladins have 2
unique zenith
until all 3 rogue specs are the 1,2,3 spots on the meters
terse hinge
@cloud spindle we have 0 aoe stuns lol
unique zenith
nerf everything else
cloud spindle
CUZ WE R ROGUES BRO
terse hinge
Gotcha
cloud spindle
yea
cloud spindle
rogue is just irreplaceable cuz of shroud and all that good stuff 😉
sudden brook
if dhs are so insane in M+ why are there only 2 in top 10 🤔
hidden dome
because a lot are tanking them
cloud spindle
hello the guy my name is shroud
terse pawn
rogue in 8/10 groups feels good
cloud spindle
no, separate bind
sudden brook
i mean u can run a tank DH and a DPS dh if u want
atomic karma
do i just use it on cd
vapid flint
Arent rogues in groups becuase of things like mass invis and good cc? We also do good damage but i dunno
terse pawn
use it with symbols
terse pawn
oh oops wrong channel
atomic karma
assass channel
hasty sonnet
Our utility is insane.
terse hinge
There were 5 dhs in those 10 groups lmao
sudden brook
rogues are in group bcuz of SS, slows, utility, defensives, CC< etc etc
strange python
UTIL INSANE BRUH WHAT IS INVIS POT EVEN
terse hinge
Not 3
sudden brook
dps
unique zenith
nah utility is overrated
terse pawn
macro before exsang
cloud spindle
yes rogues are there due to shroud, it's invaluable + good defensives
cloud spindle
invis pot doesn't replace shroud
sudden brook
DPS IS ALL THAT MATTERS
strange python
these kind of discussions is why we get nerfed with absolute 0 fucks given from blizz
strange python
2stupidLUL
sudden brook
imagine rogue getting nerfed back to back to back and are still going to be tier 1
ruby girder
omg
dusky fulcrum
ruby girder
why
tender fulcrum
Is SS still gunna be good after nerf or no?
atomic karma
anyone gonna help me with galecallers boiz
tropic hull
well 40%
dusky fulcrum
relevant comic
ruby girder
mofukin ass 40%
sand canyon
💪
random smelt
ayyy musclebrah ❤
sand canyon
yes enjoy ❤
atomic karma
do i just use galecallers on vendetta then on cd
dusky fulcrum
If i am not on the #1 spot on dps meter i am not having a good time raiding 🗯
random smelt
Will sin still be competing tomorrow without SS??
ruby girder
T_T
sudden brook
depends on the content ur doing
ruby girder
sad day
tropic hull
ST? yes m+ not sure
vocal harbor
is herodamage updated for SS nerf?
unique zenith
no, sin was deleted can't even spec into it @random smelt
dusky fulcrum
♿ Sin player with 3 SS traits coming through ♿
sudden brook
♿ Sin player with 3 SS traits coming through ♿
random smelt
Rippppp @unique zenith
unique zenith
♿ Sin player with 3 SS traits coming through ♿
ruby girder
i guess i can show off my ILVL with useless raid azerit pieces now
strange python
treat this like a joke guys, it's fun to get raped
vocal harbor
what
unique zenith
wow we went there
sudden brook
i cant tell if ur really dedicdated to trolling or are real life person
dusky fulcrum
vocal harbor
THE METERS ARE ALL HE HAS
broken swift
so is SS going to be useless now?
tropic hull
stacking Sharpened Blades FeelsBad
sudden brook
yes reroll to feral druid
dusky fulcrum
no, but it wont be as OP with 3 of them
tropic hull
Better rerol
terse hinge
Rerolling to Tidesage
dusky fulcrum
It'd be wise to look for DD traits
broken swift
what would best trait be other then that
terse hinge
Way better sustain
burnt dawn
@broken swift dd
broken swift
i've been looking around and all i can think of is double dose for consistant damage
dusky fulcrum
1 archive 1 DD 1 SS seems good on paper, but nobody knows before we can sim with hotfix
hexed tinsel
Why we still here, Just to suffer
sudden brook
LMFAO
unreal sundial
i dont think ss nerf is that big a deal tbhhh
terse hinge
Dude I'm just trying to get a laugh out of this.
lofty sand
Sims later, we're only memes now
terse hinge
Best I can.
dusky fulcrum
Everyone knows that assassination chat is the meme chat
terse pawn
change to champions of azeroth trait, BiS now
fierce pivot
They really like fucking things up
strange python
trying to make a joke out of this, is truly fucked up
sudden brook
memes, the DNA of the soul
unborn barn
What's the chance they'll fix the annoying bug with SS trait in the patch?
unique zenith
it is when my EPM (entertainment per minute) is top of the meters right now
sudden brook
i hate it when something obviously broken gets nerfed
ocean robin
I just switched to assassin, and trying to figure out my stat choices cuz simming is weird to me. Need advice.. 370 legs with 145 haste+85 mastery
or
365 legs with 127crit+98 haste?
Also need help with a ring..
350 ring with 116 crit + 254 haste
or
365 ring with 158 crit + 238 mastery?
glad vapor
is the hotfixes live in eu ?
tropic hull
no
lament dove
they don't need to fix SS bug anymore
violet spear
@ocean robin just sim
tropic hull
garrote still do damage on eu
ocean robin
@violet spear can't sim, says unknown race "Dark iron dwarf" and I've updated everything etc
ruby girder
patch is not live in eu? quick quick let me do my +12
lofty sand
@ocean robin right now is a really awkward time to ask, we just got noticed we're receiving a pretty significant nerf tomorrow. Everything is up in the air
ocean robin
wut
red shoal
we have to change spec every week
sudden brook
nerfs are happening so its hard to suggest anything
red shoal
no sense
sudden brook
dont FOTM reroll
terse pawn
guys is SS dead?
undone cairn
no point switching next spec
sudden brook
and u dont have to change every week
ocean robin
ffs, just switched away from outlaw
sudden brook
i played outlaw all this week stop rerolling every week to whatever is "best"
terse hinge
Time to become mistweaver rogue
undone cairn
until the system is fixed
terse hinge
Smh
sudden brook
play what u like lol
cyan stump
they finally nerfed all 3 rogue specs,, they want us to play dh
wild lily
Rogues enjoying themselves??? Gotta nerf
young oxide
Do we know yet how strongly the ss nerf affects us
cyan stump
very
terse hinge
Yes we do
tropic hull
is very big nerf and bug still there
red shoal
sin was all ss dmg
young oxide
Well, i'm glad i decided to reroll
red shoal
thats why a spec should not trait dependent
terse hinge
I know that sounds like I'm being a bitch about it but there are no perks there. There was a glitch and it went unchanged
tender fulcrum
Goes live tomo?
sudden brook
40K dps on ST
terse hinge
@sudden brook LOL
terse pawn
it's so bad everyone is rerolling to feral
lilac fern
Lol
broken swift
still wondering what best traits for pvp are for sin because SS prenerf wasnt even that good for pvp
ocean robin
Probably twist the knife Hyperal
ruby girder
unique zenith
guys we shouldnt joke about this the @ Blizzardspies will just nerf rogue more
terse hinge
tardy yoke
Twist the knife or rupture trait for pvp
fierce pivot
But why lazer matrix? whats the point of the raid now?
broken swift
ttk is like 300 xtra damage
burnt dawn
ferals are so bad they will probably get buffed and just be better
red shoal
reroll lock/hunter/dh
tropic hull
where is buff bad traits?
young oxide
Well i'm going back to my frostdk so cya guys
red shoal
ogogogo
young oxide
Gl having fun :/
tropic hull
or they wanna nerfed all traits to bad traits level
unique zenith
frost dk, even lower apm than assa
I sleep
broken swift
thats what im saying, they said they are going to buff bad traits and nerf good ones
but all i see is nerf good traits
and make everyone weaker
night prawn
Lets back to sub
tropic hull
i think they wanna make all dps demo lock state
unique zenith
they buffed ace up your sleeve
tropic hull
LUL
true thistle
i guess
sudden brook
they literally just buffed like 4 traits
true thistle
assa will be above sub anyway
sudden brook
this patch
true thistle
dots tick when you do mechanics
sudden brook
why does everybody keep saying they never buff stuff
jaunty arrow
Ferals cant get buff if we all will play ferals, maybe they will buff roug insted 
frank furnace
What was wrong with bursting 35k on every single 3 mob pack??
broken swift
they buffed 4 traits for classes that already were top like BM hunter
true thistle
@frank furnace 35k, why so low
broken swift
yes your right but they already have good traits that make them top dps
sudden brook
its like when they buffed ace "WOW THEY ARE BUFFING OUTLAW"
true thistle
i did 60k burst opener Zul
hollow escarp
So many weeks have passed and Blizzard didnt fix Shrouded Suffocation bug, was it intented this way?
tropic hull
dh can do same
sudden brook
its like the trait was garbage it didnt buff outlaw, it just made the trait less absolute dogshit
ruby girder
how do they come up with a number like 40% it seems so bullshit do they even sim in blizzard
weak isle
Whats the bug
ruby girder
fucking casuals
sudden brook
this isnt gonna take Bm from tier 1 to tier 0
its gonna take bm from tier 1 to tier 1 lol
the trait likely still sucks
unique zenith
I bet blizz doesn't enchant their weapons
hollow escarp
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
hollow escarp
@weak isle
tropic hull
^perfect fix
red shoal
we have not to play rogue... thats all
hollow escarp
I actually like it for some reason, all the people talking shit about assa that does damage by pressing 1 button
weak isle
Wait so spamming garotte is fked xD
hollow escarp
@tropic hull meta changed?
sudden brook
they probably nerfed SS by 40% because it needed a 40% nerf
chrome ledge
i just switched from sub to sin yday. Guess i should be going back.
broken swift
why 40% thought
strange echo
Meta definelty changed
broken swift
yes but it will go from top
civic palm
To barely not the top.
hollow escarp
I went offline 5 hours and everything changed LUL
civic palm
mmm
weak isle
Outlaw FotM
civic palm
end of the world
broken swift
to like mid tier where ttk is
sudden brook
how can you even predict its going to be bad
broken fiber
I dont want pk in my rotation
broken swift
its not hard to do math what
lament dove
they nerfed laser matrix and thunderous balst, which are also in that picture LOL
sudden brook
ppl said it was garbage dogshit unplayable
tropic hull
20% not 40
weak isle
Was or is?
tropic hull
we still locked on 3 garrote in AoE
stiff niche
the nerf is ok but I DONT WANT SEE 9k ENVENOM WITH 5 cp
unreal sundial
for m+ maybe
tropic hull
if they fixed bug
hollow escarp
I cant see any nerf in hotfixes 😦
sinful lotus
Nerf is going live in EU tomorrow right? Was live in NA today?
tight meteor
pls nerf it a bit more i wanna use my 385 SoB helm
sudden brook
this tbh
ruby girder
same
strange echo
Even with the nerf our ST will still be strong so we shouldn't worry
tropic hull
they need remove all azeirte traits
sudden brook
n0
weak isle
Just remove the game
lofty sand
just remove
tropic rover
How we looking for m+ now with the nerfs? Can't stand outlaw
frozen badger
remove bfa and release it once its out of beta
weak isle
End it all
fierce pivot
So now I got to go do every m0 and wish for tiatan forge on every gear cause who knows whats going to be good to use when I wake up?
candid wraith
Give us tier back. Take this shit Azerite away
violet yew
Reeeeeee
hollow escarp
I like Azerite more than Tier
sudden brook
tier was about as good as azerite
broken swift
azerite traits are just dogshit
sudden brook
so were tier sets if were bein rela
candid wraith
theres to many traits
hollow escarp
not saying they are good, but I like the system more
candid wraith
Remove half
broken swift
there will aways be BEST one
strange python
DED
ruby girder
is update live in eu anyone know?
broken swift
they just should buff each one individually and just not allow to stack them
sudden brook
i dont think they care about something being best, but stuff shouldnt be this good
tropic rover
We ded in m+ or is the crimson tempest dream alive
zealous dew
garrote heals mobs now, I just tried
weak isle
Not tuesdays
violet yew
🌭
sudden brook
sins still gonna be good in M+
unique zenith
I actually would love to see stacking removed.
Like no memes this time
sand canyon
deleting char now
acoustic lion
im pissed
broken swift
stacking is just so bad for it all ontop of it already being a bad system
zealous dew
time to reroll to DH and eye beam
strange zodiac
sand canyon
sudden brook
i dont mind stacking
regal snow
Time to reroll
tropic hull
limited way to obtain gear is what triggers me
sudden brook
stuff gets better and worse at certain stacks, think its pretty interesting
broken swift
hardly every though lmfao
sudden brook
?
tropic hull
fuck raids i wanna farm azerite from m+
weak isle
Lets play boomie
broken swift
most of the time its just best to stack one thing
unique zenith
I think removing stacking and 1 outer ring to be like have 2 set pieces would be cool
tender walrus
Do you guys think blizzard might compensate in a way other than traits?
For this nerf
sudden brook
not right away
cedar anchor
sudden brook
maybe next week but who knows
sudden brook
Dh is pretty good, depends on what content ur doing
weak isle
sand canyon
@cedar anchor hahahaha
burnt lagoon
ffs blizzard
burnt lagoon
Why are rogues getting the hammer when DH's arent even getting touched?
have you guys seen that shit
violet yew
What is up
weak isle
How bout hunters? Any nerfs to them?
fierce pivot
HERO CLASS MUST ALWAYS BE ON TOP
weak isle
Fking bs class
acoustic lion
I actually think rogues will be really weak in everything now, all 3 specs sub par
burnt lagoon
dh's are fucking king on everyhing dude
acoustic lion
Why arent DH and boomkins touched?
hollow escarp
so now Garrote will only be 35% of my damage 
arctic agate
Must justify they added that clowns class DH to the game
broken swift
@sudden brook at this point im really starting to think you ride blizzards meat
zealous dew
lol
sand canyon
then im happy
strange python
What did the nerfhammer do this time? -.-
sand canyon
im gonna ydestroy both classes
vivid bone
Rogues are gonna be fine
weak isle
Im after hunters
zealous dew
make them pay
sand canyon
lets fucking GO
weak isle
Fk em
unique zenith
@sand canyon i appreciate whats going on in stream
arctic agate
Tbh let warriors have their fun for a while
unique zenith
That background is A+
sand canyon
ty 😄
arctic agate
Show us the enhc OPness
sand canyon
have to live the memes right
sudden brook
BROKEN
broken swift
also why did they nerf the WW trait and not compensate
sand whale
I remember them not being able to kill a resto chaman
broken swift
they already were not even that good
weak isle
Rerolling enhanc shaman
tropic hull
demo lock master race
severe raven
do you guys ever spend points at 4CP?
sudden brook
probably bcuz the WW trait was absurdly overtuned
strange python
And?
broken swift
yes but they are dogshit without it
strange python
It carried ww
broken swift
and they nerfed it to the ground
severe raven
also, when Toxicblade is up and you're at 5CP, what is priority?
strange python
Ww is now unviable
unique zenith
Dw touch of karma is next
broken swift
@sudden brook the whole point was compensate
strange python
just saw the hotfix
arctic agate
Enhancement is under the radar guys
random sentinel
Best CaC Hunter Survival Kappa
strange python
shit thats a harsh nerf
broken swift
they nerfed it without doing anything to really bad traits
so now ww is just well really bad
and they already werent even that good
strange python
Well its the same for sin
unique zenith
Honestly if blizz nerfs outlawz time to reroll enhance
gleaming prism
Now you dont need a sim to know 30 ilvls is an upgrade since all traits suck the same!
broken swift
just like the assa rogue trait nerf
strange python
Cant play sin in m+ anymore
sudden brook
oh shit ur right only raids matter for balance
terse pawn
it's 99% other 1% is leveling
sudden brook
shouldnt balance M+ at all right
unique zenith
I mean, raid performance was also good
sudden brook
also that
arctic agate
Kind of is 70% content since legion
broken swift
hardly
terse pawn
sin is t1 in raids and pvp too, dunno what you guys are on about
acoustic lion
on half the bosses rogues werent even used in raids tho
weak isle
I just got my 3 ss traits
broken swift
def not t1 in pvp lmao
lone slate
I think blizz is trying to make us go law
🤣🤣🤣
sudden brook
??????
strange python
You didnt even use SS on progress, unless you got lucky
arctic agate
@weak isle I hope you are talking about your enhancement shaman
weak isle
Ye bro i just rerolled @arctic agate
strange python
370/385 random traits sim more
sudden brook
RMP is nuuuttty dude
sand canyon
guys
broken swift
pretty sure people are still simming higher playing outlaw
sand canyon
turning sithmode and lets destroy other classes 
broken swift
i could be wrong on that though
sudden brook
what does that have to do with assa
small island
sin is only viable when combined with a mage
terse pawn
too bad none of them are hitting their sims
sudden brook
there was just a tourney with an insane amount of sin rogues
unique zenith
Apparently @dusky fulcrum has 4 sins in his mythic raid
sudden brook
and u said sin isnt tier 1
keen wave
should i swap out SS for archive?
broken swift
are you saying spriest is t1?
sudden brook
ok
broken swift
??????
sudden brook
thats an absurd jump
arctic agate
@keen wave one SS still good
sudden brook
1 spriest
terse pawn
godcomp bro
sudden brook
vs like 10 sin rogues
tardy yoke
is the sim updated apl updated?
broken swift
also????
sudden brook
what kind of leap is that
rich magnet
laser matrix will be higher than ss
broken swift
who played sin
keen wave
ight
terse pawn
every rogue played sin dude
broken swift
other then pika and 2 eu players
broken swift
yes thats because those people legit only play rogue
primal sigil
why are u discussing pvp that much.. this wasnt a pvp nerf per say it was an overall nerf.. i think his statement for sin wasnt t1 over counts
sudden brook
LMFAO
terse pawn
what
sudden brook
u cant honestly be saying that rogue isn't tier 1
and the only reason ppl brought rogue
is bcuz the players only played rogue
weak isle
Shroud only reason
primal sigil
BM hunters havoc DH surv hunters too are killing it.. so why only touch sin
broken swift
let me get this strait
terse pawn
where is reckful to save us
broken swift
tell me what class does pika play?
broken swift
does he play anything but rogue?
sudden brook
what does that have to do with the power level of rogue
native shore
broken swift
because the people in that tourny that played rogue
prime void
they touched sin, because it was broken
nova gorge
BM nerfed... 5%
terse pawn
lmao i don't even know
strange python
what do you peeps around 350 ilvl average on openers now?
sudden brook
yeah the best players in the game were playing a tier 2 spec bcuz they liked it most
terse pawn
what is he trying to say
tardy yoke
I finally joined 15k club and now this. FeelsBadMan 😦
inland path
eta on simcraft, hero dmg etc being updated?
red shoal
u sill there ? go reroll guys
tropic hull
i wanna change my pvp chest
primal sigil
@prime void sin was only as borken as every other top tier dps atm..
nova gorge
and it's STILL topping the meters, and is even easier to play than sin
broken swift
also dumbass, that tourny was legit not even close to a accurate representation of ladder
tropic hull
bring me back other cehst
weak isle
Just reroll enhanc
sudden brook
LMFAO
weak isle
Its over
sudden brook
OK LOOK AT LADDER THEN
broken swift
IT WAS FILLED WITH CANCER TANK TRINKETS
prime void
@primal sigil yeah it's not like they are the top % spec in m+ by the fattest margin I've ever seen
broken swift
in 2s?
inland path
lol..
prime void
You also shoulddnt have a trait that outweights 30 ilvl lmfao
weak isle
Bro calm the fk down
broken swift
ill count the rogues in top 100
tardy yoke
But SS made sin kinda interesting to play
primal sigil
well then buff other places of the spec.. cant help it if a trait spec relys on a trait to be top tier thts broken spec desing
broken swift
there is 4
arctic agate
@sudden brook man calm your tits. You don't even get the amount of trolling in here
primal sigil
but they did nothing to fix that.. just nerfd the trait and now all ur farm time is useless
sudden brook
i forgot u played at top 100
halcyon phoenix
at m+ 10 or higher, its 5.2% are sin rogues
rigid sky
how did you even farm azerite armor?
halcyon phoenix
broken swift
guy actually is clueless on how this game works
halcyon phoenix
frost mages are 7.7%
broken swift
there is like 20 hunters and warriors
inland path
eta on simcraft, hero dmg etc being updated?
weak isle
Cya muscle
unique zenith
Bye muscle, luv u
weak isle
You thought me well
sudden brook
Hunters and warriors are good
weak isle
I will miss you dad
broken swift
ROUGE IS T1 in pvp
broken swift
dude your drunk
terse pawn
warriors OP, remove bladestorm
arctic agate
See you in one week, or in dh discord @sand canyon
subtle tundra
any tips on switch from sin? which is easier outlaw or sub?
terse pawn
play snek outlaw
broken swift
outlaw is better for rated 3s anyway because of blind talent
edgy latch
rip ss
broken swift
guy you actually know nothing about this game its clear
sudden brook
ur right ur so smart
weak isle
Alright mastermind
bleak jungle
Holy fuck. FORTY percent nerf???? That's a bit fucking much!!
weak isle
Can u stfu now?
unreal sundial
lmfaooooo
young flame
RIP Shroud, is there a way I can change the chest I got from the CP cap?
subtle tundra
i also wanna suck a dick
arctic agate
Rerolling shadow
broken swift
legit like 20 ferals/rdruids top 100
unreal sundial
this tbh
weak isle
Enhanc only way
broken swift
rogue is t1 btw
serene glacier
cedar moss
