assassination

[unkempt phoenix]

be happy you can use other traits now

[surreal rivet]

honestly im not losing any dps, the 370 sharpened blade shoulders i have sim higher then the 340 SS ones right now

[dusky fulcrum]

"the "huge nerf" is bringing it in line with the rest of your traits"

[hollow dawn]

nerve the only person with a brain in this discord

[dusky fulcrum]

?????

[terse hinge]

Tbh I used 1 ss but

[arctic isle]

id rather have an op trait so i use 340 gear for the rest of the expansion 4head

[terse hinge]

It just felt like such a boost

[arctic agate]

Is 3 SS still best?

[surreal rivet]

no

[unique zenith]

because what you're saying is a literal repeat of what the outlaw channel was like last week

[dusky fulcrum]

should i discuss your completely wrong and useless statement? @unique zenith

[unique zenith]

and everything ended up being fine

[arctic agate]

Assuming at least one is good to have

[frail widget]

Deadshot actually made outlaw more fun rotationally 😦

[dusky fulcrum]

LOL

[frail widget]

Ss does the same

[forest forge]

Jain ss

[delicate gull]

Haven’t seen an outlaw rogue since LUL

[strange python]

Good thing i already used only one SS and archives, the hotfix will only buff my dps above 15k

[dusky fulcrum]

everyone stopped playing outlaw, how is that fine

wtf??

[terse hinge]

@delicate gull same

[strange python]

guys be happy and obey flat 0effort changes

[dusky fulcrum]

@unique zenith are u blind

[hollow dawn]

why

you can play outlaw now in m+ :D

[patent leaf]

Guys now that the sub spec is the best again will you swap over to it

[hollow dawn]

instead of assa

[strange python]

i can't get a second dagger to drop so I can leave outlaw hell

[unique zenith]

Still see plenty of them, but yeah, 0 players

[patent leaf]

[arctic isle]

@strange python that makes no sense

[hollow dawn]

since assa is no longer broken op

[dusky fulcrum]

my outlaw with 9 more ilvl sims 600 dps lower than sin pre nerf ss

[surreal rivet]

im still gonna play assa regardless

[restive latch]

@hollow dawn dog im rocking straight wellfare weapons now you want me to get more? FeelsBadMan

[surreal rivet]

never going back to sub

[dusky fulcrum]

how is that FiNE

@unique zenith

[surreal rivet]

already have haste enchants and gems

[hollow dawn]

sure

[delicate gull]

Yeah honestly I’m lucky I got double archive but my shoulders are shit now

[hollow dawn]

my rogue has 380 dagger

and 380 weapon

[vestal dune]

The most annoying part of the nerf is just having to farm azerite for st and aoe

[hollow dawn]

only played for 2 hc splits

[arctic isle]

just farm azerite gear 4head

[severe raven]

do you use galecallers on CD or do you align it up with something?

[unique zenith]

you realize a normal fight isn't a patchwerk

[severe niche]

Reeeeeeee

[terse hinge]

Lol

[unique zenith]

and when outlaw has to move to do mechanics

[severe niche]

Panic bois

[unique zenith]

we lose damage

your dot still keeps tickin

[severe niche]

Code black

[unkempt phoenix]

is anyone here doing content that they can't do now after the nerf?

[severe niche]

We are on full lockdown

[unkempt phoenix]

xD

[dusky fulcrum]

@unique zenith check mythic uldir logs tell me how many outlaws u see

[wanton wagon]

Relax ❤ We will be fine

[terse hinge]

@unkempt phoenix very true

[arctic isle]

@unkempt phoenix i cant kill ppl in my kidney

[surreal rivet]

i think we'll be fine

[unique zenith]

there seem to be 1339 total parses for mythic uldir

[surreal rivet]

using SB is gonna be annoying

[unique zenith]

public parses

[surreal rivet]

but we'll be fine

[hidden citrus]

i didnt have a single ss trait yet, so i didnt lose anything!

[severe niche]

@unkempt phoenix my group is pushing realm first 15 and out too dagor key might be bricked now cuz we had 2 assassinati n rogues in our comp

[unkempt phoenix]

i want 340 gear to be better than my 370 gear

[restive latch]

ya i think well be fine as well

[dusky fulcrum]

And how many of the top 10's are outlaw?

[severe niche]

Tol*

[unkempt phoenix]

if you can't do a +15 because of the trait nerf, look at other problems in your group

[terse hinge]

Only time I was able to kill in a kidney was back in the days of 7mil envenom 3shot legion.. lol

[arctic isle]

dead servers with realm first 15 up for grabs OMEGALUL

[unkempt phoenix]

(sorry if sound toxic)

[unique zenith]

wow basing your argument on like .000001% of the player population

[severe niche]

So you've done a 15 in time and seen how tight the timer is for +1

[unique zenith]

you must be so proud

[severe niche]

Link you raider.io :)?

[strange python]

tbh im just annoyed i keep working towards a spec thats doing well just for them to nerf it, move on to the next, that gets nerfed too, was working on going back assassin and that got a nerf today... just feel like im spending all this time to get no where

outlaw is number one tho

[tired mason]

is sharpened blades really our best trait now

[arctic isle]

just go to a dead server and get realm first lich king 2 expansions later

[prime void]

@strange python stop playing fotm and get good at a spec

[strange python]

ol Russian putting in work on outlaw

[prime void]

Then you dont have to swap

big thunk

[lofty sand]

There were no rogues in method's ghuun group. That obviously means rogue is dead.

[tired mason]

@prime void some people jsut dont like outlaw, it's a stupid spec

[scenic nacelle]

No rogues in the Mythrax either

[strange python]

I ran a key yesterday, it was a +9 ONLY tyrannical, without skittish or bursting. pretty first sure 15+ were bugged too

@mizu i guess but why do just good dps when best dps is right there

[terse hinge]

@tired mason I dont like it only because nostalgia as stupid as that sounds

[strange python]

Was funny

[lofty sand]

But wait there were 6 subs doing Zul on slootbag's group! Rogue is alive!

[prisma sail]

wait, so SoS stacks?

[terse hinge]

I miss combat lol

[dusky fulcrum]

my outlaw was already simming 600 dps behind, with 9 higher ilvl and Better weapons, and now my only 2 items from heroic uldir is both nerfed 30 and 40%, and u say its fine? How is degrading from 370 head and 370 chest to 340 "fine" ? Tell me @unique zenith

[lofty sand]

omg what a rollercoaster

[prime void]

@strange python because I doubt you're a r1 player

[strange python]

idk what that means

[arctic isle]

hes calling u GARBAGE

[strange python]

oh well he's not wrong

[unique zenith]

shit bro lemme tell you outlaw won't have to worry about those uldir trait nerfs either fuck it was assa exclusive my b.

[severe niche]

Real question is do I keep rank 1 assassination parse on mother cuz people won't be able to pump as hard 🤔

[strange python]

some stability in the class would be chill tho

[prisma sail]

Does Shrouded SUffocation stack?

[strange python]

in all classes rly xD

[arctic isle]

i dont get it

[midnight flower]

i wonder how many bosses the people who are complaining have downed in mythic

[arctic isle]

u cant farm ap gear

how du work towards a spec? like pls

[unique zenith]

and after the deadshot nerf people still play with ds just like people will still playu with SS wild

[terse hinge]

@strange python That's the kind of sensibility we need here. Able to acknowledge flaws even when others insult you

[midnight flower]

most people it doesnt matter what spec you play tbh just stop dying on boss fights

[terse hinge]

Like jfc

[strange python]

@arctic isle week by week

im not perfect lol, just tryina do my best out here

[terse hinge]

Well said

[strange python]

the spec that hits the hardest at the time is the most appealing to me is all

[viral locust]

How much haste do you need to outpreform Sub w/ bleed build? ,':^)

[dusky fulcrum]

@unique zenith ye man totally wont have a difference on my guilds mythic progress that all my loot i got in heroic is useless, its not like method farmed 25 ilvls to kill fetid

[arctic isle]

u dont pick what ap gear drops from weekly content so where is the working towards a single spec coming from?

[unique zenith]

shit you right, you're 50% of your guilds damage

[strange python]

@arctic isle you are able to still do reg mythics

every week lol

[unique zenith]

this epic nerf will devastate

[sonic hedge]

Np @dusky fulcrum they'll just bench you and get someone else with overperforming traits like WW o shit nvm

[dusky fulcrum]

We have 4 sin rogues, so atleast 25% of our raid dps is nerfed, wow look how dumb you look now @unique zenith

[severe niche]

Double archive new bis? 🤔

[unique zenith]

wild, sounds like your guild's problem

[dusky fulcrum]

maybe get facts before u pretendend u know stuff

[terse hinge]

@severe niche dont give me those nightmares

LOL

[lofty sand]

WW is still pretty fine actually, it apparently is like 5% damage nerf if you change some talents

[severe niche]

My 370 shoulders looking pretty gucci right about now

[prime void]

@strange python he misinterpreted my point. Constantly swapping specs doesnt allow you to master a spec. You're better off rolling with the blows and getting great at something. Just swapping because it's best doesn't mean you can play it at the "Best" level

[prisma sail]

for the love of god.. does SHrounded Suffocation Stack???

[severe niche]

Reeeeeeee

[terse hinge]

@prisma sail yes

[nocturne cradle]

Yes

[viral locust]

Yes

[strange python]

are you fr asking that tho

[tired mason]

@prime void not really, it's much more beneficial to learn how to play all the specs and adjust to the situation at hand

[terse hinge]

Lmao

[lofty sand]

@prisma sail jesus dude

[prime void]

@tired mason yeah no

[strange python]

welcome to the bench lobby

[surreal rivet]

arent you supposed to be raiding rn ^

[tired mason]

nothing in WoW is complicated enough anymore for you to have to be focused on a single spec

[midnight flower]

i switch specs at will the guy typing you should just focus one YIKES

[tired mason]

@prime void i mean if you're bad and can't mentall yhandle playing multiple specs then sure

[dusky fulcrum]

@tired mason what??

[tired mason]

but most people have the brain capacity

[prime void]

Yeah you definitely know me

lmfao

LOLOLOLOL

[prisma sail]

so why do I have 2 pieces of azerite gear on with it but only get 3 combo points when I Garrote in stealth, shouldn't it be 4

[strange python]

we should make connections with feral druid discord and shadow priest discord and join forces in our fkin misery

[lofty sand]

jesus fuck, did you even read the fucking thing?

[nocturne cradle]

@pyro the damage stacks

[arctic isle]

imagine not being able to play all 3 braindead specs at 99 percentile

[surreal rivet]

@prime void focus on your raid and stop typing in here

[prisma sail]

leo, shut the fuck up unless you can be constructive, I read it, yes, if you know the answer, great, if not, stfu

[steep obsidian]

imagine bein a bit of a dick in discord

[strange python]

@prime void its all good, i've been playing all the specs and I think I'm pretty comfortable with all of them (mostly cuz blizz keeps changing stuff so I've been moving around) but I've been spending the past week hard farming to try and get a second dagger so I could switch back to Sin... Just salty cuz this keeps happening lol. Trying to get a certain piece of gear for a spec i wanna switch to just to get rekt

[tight meteor]

assassination channel toxicity level is perfect 👌🏻

i missed this

[lofty sand]

You probably have some serious reading problems, will it matter if we answer here?

[arctic isle]

imagine getting offended by words

[strange python]

i was having a blast playing outlaw.. and then they rekt deadshot xD

[manic crow]

@prisma sail the dmg stacks, combo points do not

[prisma sail]

obviously it does matter, you didn't answer.. you went on a rant, others did.

[lofty sand]

yell as much as you want it doesnt change the fact that we have a fucking guide for a reason

[strange python]

just tired of seeing nerf nerf nerf

[buoyant bay]

@tight meteor just grab some popcorn and sit back 😃

[surreal rivet]

@strange python sin will be fine, keep farming your dagger

[random sentinel]

Rip SS

[steep obsidian]

im not offended u just a dick

[prisma sail]

and guide or no guide, answering a simple question isn't hard, is it.

[solid citrus]

nerfed because it was op

[steep obsidian]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[strange python]

@surreal rivet okay (=

[dusky fulcrum]

Imagine getting new sick loot and less than 1.5 resets later that gear is useless, how dare you complain about that?! You're all sick!! You should be ashamed! I have 395 daggers and my m+chest had saber slash azerite in it, why cant you be just like me and stop crying LUL just get loot!!! /s

[arctic isle]

dont call me a dick thats rude

[lofty sand]

being spoonfed isnt hard

[restive latch]

@strange python sin will be fine and still on par with sub, probably will come down to fight/preference

[surreal rivet]

@strange python maybe you'' get it from chest

[strange python]

maybe!

[cedar remnant]

whats going on

[clear harbor]

So guys anyone knows if bloodmallet or herodmg have updated their sims u toxic ppl

[strange python]

"nerfed cauz it was op, killed cauz it was rogue" ezclap bfaf

[true thistle]

I came here just to take at crying about nerfs

[prime void]

focus on what

wiping at 80% every pull omegalul

[true thistle]

And i see lot of people didny knew that

[dry fern]

does rupture or garrote snapshot with vendetta?

[nocturne cradle]

@clear harbor 10 or 11am est

[true thistle]

Like it wasnt obvious

[cedar remnant]

@clear harbor after reset

[dusky fulcrum]

@strange python are you a real gurl or pretend, whats 9+10

[restive latch]

21

[dusky fulcrum]

@dry fern isnt snapshotting dead

[scenic nacelle]

yea pretty sure snapshotting died

[surreal rivet]

idk i dont think im gonna lose dmg at all, the 370 SB shoulders i have sim higher then my 340 SS pre nerf

[arctic isle]

not for feral

[dry fern]

@dusky fulcrum ferals still snapshot

[patent topaz]

You are dumb af if you thought ss was gonna last more than a reset in its current state

[arctic isle]

and u can snapsot with nightstalker talent

[scenic nacelle]

ferals need all the help they can get

[dusky fulcrum]

Rip snapshot 2006-2012

[restive latch]

I dont think people didnt expect it to not get nerfed just not by as much as it did

youd be rarted to expect it to be the same

[surreal rivet]

i think assa will be on par with sub, only time till tell tho

[strange python]

@patent topaz yeah, leave it nerfed along with the rest specs for whole tier

[dusky fulcrum]

"you are dumb af if you thought ss was gonna last more than a reset in its current state" reddit.com/r/iamverysmart is waiting for you @patent topaz

[strange python]

@dusky fulcrum with this much traffic and fury in this channel rn im not at liberty to say

20

[dry fern]

soo, nightstalker snapshots, vendetta doesnt?

[sudden brook]

i mean he isnt wrong

[dusky fulcrum]

we're all gurls on the inside dont worry

[strange python]

pumpkin spice lattes make you constipated

[restive latch]

how

[cold stream]

hai Guys whAT sPEC Iz BeST noW?

[unique zenith]

ele sham

[sudden brook]

feral druid

rogue is dead

[lofty sand]

I love that question

[dry fern]

@cold stream feral is best rogue now

[dusky fulcrum]

The best spec is the spec u hate the most

[unique zenith]

oh so shadow

[nocturne cradle]

Shadow = range sin rogues

[lofty sand]

I also love the "How Sin compares to other specs now that [X] event happened?"

[strange python]

https://i.imgur.com/V3NsOSo.png

@strange python LOL

[oak tangle]

Will the ss nerf possibly make nightstalker empowered ruptures outperform garrotte?

[cold stream]

rerolling resto shaman then tyallvm

[unique zenith]

nah at least sin rogue has utility

shadow is just a dumpster fire

[dusky fulcrum]

@strange python current mood

[surreal rivet]

im curious how much overall dmg im gonna lose cause theoretically id only lose the dmg from one SS trait cause the 370 SB shoulders i have sim higher then my 340 SS ones pre nerf

[strange python]

why not 20% or even 25%

[smoky lantern]

sims should be coming out soon

[sudden brook]

probably because it needed a 40% nerf, especially for M+

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[random sentinel]

Rogue assa < Hogger xD

[unique zenith]

20% would still leave it miles ahead of the other traits

[sudden brook]

^

[strange python]

just buff other classes

[sudden brook]

then that makes raids easier

[unique zenith]

its not a class issue

[smoky lantern]

it did need nerfed a tad

maybe not that large

[surreal rivet]

alright boys, gonna go to sleep SS will haunt me in my nightmares

[dry fern]

buff feral.

[fathom echo]

what do people think the new BiS trat is gonna be SB or DD

[sudden brook]

who knows

[smoky lantern]

itll prob still be the same.

[sudden brook]

SS might still be good rofl

[unique zenith]

what if SS is still a top tier trait 🤔

[lofty sand]

spend the whole night hitting dummies with your current SS

[proven ice]

The archive of the titans snoozefest.

[lofty sand]

to make good memories

[stray urchin]

sharpened blades makes me cringe

[random sentinel]

It’s time to reroll DH xD

[strange python]

just wait till reset kicks in, then we can actually feel it

[sudden brook]

just reroll to whatever is the new FOTM

[strange python]

then we truly https://i.imgur.com/V3NsOSo.png

[sudden brook]

then complain whenever it gets nerfed

[stray urchin]

i would fall asleep playing DH

[sudden brook]

works well for most ppl

[arctic isle]

u guys crying dont realize this now means you arent stuck with 340 ss pieces right? hello?

[lofty sand]

3 locks in the method ghuun group bois

[arctic isle]

or are u guys as braindead as the spec

LUL

[lofty sand]

its basically ranged sin

[sudden brook]

is warlock the new FOTM?

[unique zenith]

i scrap anything that isn't my BiS 😮

[oak tangle]

If you apply a simple 40% nerf to its sim, then it’s still in the top 8 traits

[random sentinel]

Dh -> 2 buttons to hard damage Kappa

[modern walrus]

Warlock is always form

[lilac fern]

So uhh, that happened.

[modern walrus]

Fotm

[sudden brook]

we can be pretty circlejerky about any spec if we want to lol

[lilac fern]

So, what traits are we gonna run now?

[sudden brook]

duno yet

[strange python]

keep rerolling to fotm with budget, this tactic always works, check fragnance, he is playing csgo while his boomie is getting boosted

[sudden brook]

sims rnt out

[dry fern]

feral rogue has no aoe, do you think they will buff it? maybe even give them crimson tempest?

[strange python]

im done, this game is too much

[stray urchin]

@oak tangle is that even how that works? 40% of (whatever it sims at)

what about the extra CP you get?

[sudden brook]

any time my class gets nerfed, i delete it go to the forums and complain then boost a new character that is the new fotm

[arctic isle]

fyru u proflie picture suits u

[sudden brook]

if u dont play like me ur not playing wow right

[lilac fern]

To be fair, nerfs were needed, but 40% seems a bit much.

[strange python]

@arctic isle thank you

[stray urchin]

there are more prob with this game rn than a 40% nerf

[onyx wind]

40% was totally reasonable

[stray urchin]

wafronts, expeditions, azerite traits in gen

all shit

[onyx wind]

sto being stupid

[stray urchin]

but ppl freak out over a 40% nerf

[arctic isle]

wats wrontg with warfronts and expeditions lol

they do their job

[stray urchin]

????

[dusky fulcrum]

How is SS and lazer nerfed but STREAKING FUCKING STARS is untouched

[sudden brook]

it 100% deserved a 40% nerf lol

[dry fern]

warfronts are nice, but expeditions are lame imo

[arctic isle]

they both suck

[oak tangle]

@stray urchin was just doing a simple nerf, cause of the cp thing it won’t be 40% nerf so I guess it could be in the top 6

[arctic isle]

but they do what they were made to do

[lilac fern]

Sin rogues were seriously overtuned, dont get me wrong I loved topping the charts, but I guess we just have to wait and see.

[unique zenith]

you guys realize this isn't the full notes yet, nor the last tuning

[formal sable]

Still early in the expac

[proven ice]

It's the full notes for next week

[stray urchin]

CAN WE HAVE A PRAYER SESSION FOR SHAMANS THO

[sudden brook]

after these patch notes the games done being balanced, sin will be worse than feral druids its not fair

[arctic isle]

are u trolling i cant tell

[sudden brook]

always

[lofty sand]

Have one for Resto because Ion basically said "they op in pvp so I aint touching that"

[dry fern]

rogue wont be worse than feral as long as ferals get not aoe buffs

[dusky fulcrum]

@unique zenith you realise some ppl actually do high mythic keys/carries and are progressing mythic uldir and this change is huge as fuck, a literal wrench in our wheel

not everyone is lfr heroes like urself

[sudden brook]

u were doing progression with sin rogues?

[arctic isle]

@dusky fulcrum pls stop talking

[dusky fulcrum]

we have 4 sin rogues in our roster yes

[onyx wind]

the nerf was obviously coming a mile away

[sudden brook]

really

you run 4 sin rogues

[strange python]

Heaps of people are progging with sin rogues?

[dusky fulcrum]

Yes

[sudden brook]

and they can only play sin

[onyx wind]

u should all have been preparing to play sub

[lofty sand]

Anyone that was progressing on anything with Sin knew this nerf was coming and probably prepared for it

[unique zenith]

again, you're presenting attacks on my character and not bringing anything of note to the conversation

[arctic isle]

my guild would have beaten method but we were running 5 rogues RIP

[mental mirage]

gotta try harder now if you wanna do your high keys/carries

[sudden brook]

^^

[mental mirage]

what even are high keys these days

[onyx wind]

15 i think

[dusky fulcrum]

has nothing to do with what we can and cannot play, we've been gearing for sin and now sub is better, they use different stat weights, use ur fuckin brain

@sudden brook

[mental mirage]

then it doesnt matter

[nova dirge]

sub sucks

[sudden brook]

i am using my brain

[stray urchin]

"they are now better"

[sudden brook]

u didnt use urs

[scenic nacelle]

Blizzard forcing rogues to take Sharpened blades OMEGALUL

[sudden brook]

bcuz u couldnt tell sin was going to get nerfed

ur out of ur mind lol

[mental mirage]

ye

[stray urchin]

i really fkin hope sharpened blades doesnt become meta

that shit is boring af

[unique zenith]

if you're so high end mega progress mythic why don't you have gear sets for sub

[sand whale]

not foreseeing the ss nerf and continues to gear 4 sin rogues for SIN only... hmmm

[onyx wind]

its already meta dude

[stray urchin]

STOP

DONT SUGGEST ITS META

DELETE IT

[mental mirage]

doing 4 or 5k more than everyone else in m+ was insane

[sudden brook]

they can always item restore if they DEd/sold all the gear that is "suboptimal"

[sand whale]

dude play sub like I played sub it's really not going to slow your progression lol

[nova dirge]

i think new meta will be DD + TB + Master poisoner :9

[sudden brook]

man ur wild bro

[sand whale]

unles all your rogues just vanish g and afk

[strange python]

@mental mirage mages could pull the same numbers

now mages are best

[lilac fern]

Luckily I've saved all my Sub gear if this is gonna kill us.

[scenic nacelle]

sub gives me carapl tunnel

[onyx wind]

go sub with sharpened blades

its the best ST now

[lilac fern]

Lol

[scenic nacelle]

FK sharpened blades

[nova dirge]

eew

[mental mirage]

Mh yeah okay, havent played with a mage in bfa I think

[onyx wind]

or be a noob

[dusky fulcrum]

@sudden brook you do realise that some ppl trade away sub gear to other classes if they dont intend to run it and its bigger upgrade for them?

[nova dirge]

noway going back to that starve spec

[sudden brook]

@dusky fulcrum yeah i realize, thats unlucky

[stray urchin]

hey do you guys wanna read a meme!?

[kind roost]

So if were doing the SB build, are we dropping subterfuge and going nightstalker for vanish knives?

[strange python]

@mental mirage clearly you haven't played with a proper one.

[stray urchin]

Ion - "The only metric we care about as a development team is whether you're having fun."

gotem

[mental mirage]

our boomie got rekt when we did our +15 key

[nova dirge]

lets play sub wow its fun bad rng mechanic happens tank has more dps than you

[arctic agate]

Actually, they nerfed SS damage, but guessing they didn't fix that bug, right? Would be effort

[nova dirge]

GG

[stray urchin]

Yea did they fix that bug?

[sudden brook]

they might have fixed the bug who knows

[onyx wind]

who cares if the fixed it

[sudden brook]

might have fixed it for next reset just didnt report it or w.e

[stray urchin]

who cares?

wat

[sudden brook]

we'll see tomorrow i guess

[onyx wind]

nobodys gonna play assa anyway

[stray urchin]

oh yea

forget

ppl deleting rogues

[kind roost]

if youre not gonna play sin then leave the sin channel and stop baiting people

good lord

[sudden brook]

reroll to arms warrior DH they are OP need nerfs

[stray urchin]

IM REROLLING TO WHATEVER IS NUMBER 1 ON WARCRAFT LOGS

[arctic isle]

"sharpened blades is boring" wants passive shrouded buff to be bis YIKES

[sudden brook]

IM REROLLING TO WHATEVER IS NUMBER 1 ON SIMULATIONCRAFT

[stray urchin]

i never said i wanted that?

[mental mirage]

we should just be happy that we can do good overall dmg without big rng like pb idk

[sudden brook]

AND THATS IT

[stray urchin]

@arctic isle

when did I say that?

[arctic agate]

Going prot warrior main now

[onyx wind]

im playing assa till tomorrow

so i can stay here

my homie

[strange python]

@sudden brook same

[eager cobalt]

I mean I'm going to play Sin after the nerf

[kind roost]

yeah youre also probably gonna rerole a dh next rogue nerf

[eager cobalt]

I don't really enjoy the other specs

[kind roost]

might aswell do it now eh

[prisma crescent]

you guys act like the whole spec got nerfed. 1 SS 2 Sharpened blades will be BiS

[worldly mantle]

@arctic isle the point is that its boring to force a "useless" spell into our rotation

[sudden brook]

the only specs in the game that can ever seen play are the top 3 dps specs on warcraftlogs and simulationcraft

any other spec is unplayable

[tight meteor]

meta is 3x Master assassin 3x Master alchemist

[pulsar goblet]

Sin is still fine in raid I'm sure

[sudden brook]

and wont get brought to any content

[onyx wind]

ive been playing rogue for 4 years

[kind roost]

@prisma crescent what talents are you thinking for 1ss 2 sb

[onyx wind]

just gonna switch spec

[arctic isle]

ikr making a trait that actually adds to gameplay is GARAGE

[stray urchin]

@arctic isle hello?

[onyx wind]

its legit just a click

[arctic agate]

@prisma crescent what do you mean? The whole class is literally unplayable now

[arctic isle]

GIVE ME ALL PASSIVE TRAITS THAT ALL DO EQUAL DPS SO WHEN I GET AP GEAR I EQUIP AND FORGET

[sudden brook]

u n p l a y a b l e

[stray urchin]

when did I say I wanted passives????

[serene glacier]

https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/external/YEHLfOi5ju96uv_dSZ03E0EOcMaoO0SJb-rhmlVyBFo/https/media.discordapp.net/attachments/434171670446735371/491277151400755210/we.png

[mighty venture]

Wow, the nerf

[serene glacier]

in nutshell

[arctic isle]

im not even talking to u

[mighty venture]

40% hahaha

[prisma crescent]

@arctic agate LiTeRaLlY UnPlAyAbLe

[kind roost]

can someone theorycraft the traits for 1 ss 2 sb with me please :[

[mighty venture]

We're doomed like outlaw hahahahah

[stray urchin]

"sharpened blades is boring" wants passive shrouded buff to be bis YIKES"

[kind roost]

*talents

[stray urchin]

i was the only one that brought that up? @arctic isle

[worldly mantle]

@arctic isle So you acually think channeling CJL as monk with the chest was fun hm

[prisma crescent]

@kind roost I can't imagine the talents would be any different tbh

[arctic isle]

bro stop trying to start an argfument in this time of memes

[sudden brook]

[kind roost]

@prisma crescent You think we'll keep exsang with that build? or im guessing back to tb right

[inland path]

lets go into the voice channel and talk about the nerf guys 😃

[arctic agate]

Next hotfix brings legion legs back

Easier to balance

[sudden brook]

WILL OF VALLERA LETS GO

[prisma crescent]

@kind roost Most likely

[lofty sand]

sometimes I forget we even have voice channels

[brisk forum]

rip sin...damnit

[stray urchin]

wasnt exang in emerald nightmare like 400% faster?

or some stupid number and it was like OP AF

[lofty sand]

no, it was nerfed before that

it didnt even hit legion

[kind roost]

The only thing im really wondering is if were dropping subterfuge and going nightstalker or MA(LOL) with the 1ss 2sb build

[hearty sundial]

nerf sub ✔ nerf outlaw ✔ nerf assa ✔ nerf DH

[dusky fulcrum]

👀 👀

[stray urchin]

you mean nerf feral

obv OP

needs to be stopped

and oppressed

[mighty venture]

So is sin still viable with this 40% nerf? OwO

[strange python]

Buff afflock they weak

[brisk forum]

no

[sudden brook]

imagine every rogue spec getting nerfed and all of them are still good as fuck lol

[prisma crescent]

@kind roost No way subterfuge is very good still

[stray urchin]

no @mighty venture

you might as well

delete

ur rogue

just delete WoW

[mighty venture]

Has Herodamage the sims?

[arctic isle]

yes sin is unplayable u cant do ur +4 this week sorry buddy

[sudden brook]

toxic

[mighty venture]

Oh no, SnekEye is pretty much fun, and DS is still king in AoE :D!

[unique zenith]

correct

[kind roost]

if you can rely on one thing about rogue players its that we're all toxic assholes

learn to love it

[arctic agate]

Garrote will still be good, don't think dropping subterfuge is a good idea

[sudden trench]

fuck you @kind roost 😛

[kind roost]

as much as i hate all of you, i hate other class players more so im stuck with you clowns

❤

[lofty sand]

there will be long discussions about what to do next as soon as the dust of this shitstorm settles in this channel

[arctic agate]

It's the rogue life. The moment you play that class you turn into an assholes, slowly starting to gank and fuck other people

[dusky fulcrum]

I hate everyone REEEEEEEEE

[stray urchin]

TOSIC ROGUES

[kind roost]

just waiting for them to fix WM and give advantages to the lesser faction, because ganking a mage and having 20 horde and 5 hunters with flare show up is pretty god damn anti fun

[cedar kelp]

its sad going to DH discord and theyre laughing at us

[indigo mulch]

I don't get what the big fuzz is about. Did people actually think the shrouded suffocation was going to stay in the state it was?

:S

[stray urchin]

if you did, you prob think the earth is flat

[kind roost]

@indigo mulch no one expected a 40% nerf, we all knew a nerf was coming

[lofty sand]

thats probably the most typed phrase here today

[sand whale]

wait what the earth isn't flat? 😮

[stray urchin]

no

its obv a square

friggin idiut

[strange python]

nah i think 50% would be better as now you can still play it with only 40% nerf

[sand whale]

my life is a lie

[prisma crescent]

I don't think there's going to be too much discussion to be had. Garrote is still going to be one of our hardest hitting abilities with Subterfuge and the extra 2 CP from SS will more than likely warrant running at least one.

[pulsar goblet]

Yeah 40 seems high compared to the last nerfs they did

[indigo mulch]

40% or not, rogues will still be playable. We wont be a trash spec.

[kind roost]

obviously we wont be trash

[lofty sand]

We will see, the sims will tell when they get updated

[oak tangle]

It’s only a 40% nerf to the damage it stills generates more cp, so it’s not wholly a 40% nerf

[kind roost]

anyone whos saying that is just dramatic

[stray urchin]

can we talk about these buffs?

[arctic isle]

yeah make it a 20% nerf so it's still bis trait by a mile 4head

[stray urchin]

Demonic Meteor (Demonology) damage increased by 200%.
Feeding Frenzy (Beast Mastery) damage increased by 400%.

rofl

[arctic isle]

no

[strange python]

funny how outlaw was already performing better in uldir lol even on mythic

[arctic isle]

those buffs are literally nothing

[strange python]

this company so professional

[unique zenith]

outlaw wasn't outperforming sin this week afaik

[indigo mulch]

^

[strange python]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/19

[safe matrix]

that data is scuffed

[cedar kelp]

snake build is literal cancer, i refuse to play it

[safe matrix]

theres incomplete data sets

most guild private log

[unique zenith]

see, outlaw has multiple viable traits

[stray urchin]

not many parses

[unique zenith]

so you dont haveto snake

😄

[stray urchin]

as you can see

[dusky fulcrum]

Guys why are u so upset? Clearly we needed a 40% nerf to allow shamans to feel stronger in their wheelchair

[strange python]

feel like that proves my point even more tho @stray urchin

[indigo mulch]

Honestly, i don't think its that bad tbh.

[kind roost]

Can anyone explain why top guilds are running sub? what benefit does it offer?

[indigo mulch]

ST

[sudden brook]

damage

[sudden trench]

change it to heroic - 1 week and see the result

[arctic agate]

I thought they'd remove shamans with the next hotfix

[dusky fulcrum]

@kind roost huge burst on zul

[prisma crescent]

@kind roost phase pushing

[sudden brook]

lots of damage

[kind roost]

I mean sin St wasnt bad

[sand whale]

you gotta look at the bosses not just the stats atm

[vast berry]

boss fights with adds = sub doing damage

[stray urchin]

you do realize its because of cleaving adds

[kind roost]

is sub really that much better ST?

[stray urchin]

@strange python

[indigo mulch]

You can use the extra combo to push all that "aoe" into a st.

[strange python]

adds are apart of the fight

[sudden brook]

its slightly worse ST

[dusky fulcrum]

storm-evic-storm-evic

[sand whale]

obs outlaw has clear advantage on mother and zek

[strange python]

if not more important than the boss on some fights

[kind roost]

oh because storm evic

makes sense

[stray urchin]

thats for boss dmg

[arctic crow]

40% does sounds like alot

[worldly mantle]

!ss

[prisma monolith]

Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

[arctic crow]

but i think we should be good still

[indigo mulch]

We will problay still run 1 of those traits. 2 CP is super good.

[arctic crow]

i think they want sub as #1

[arctic agate]

Should update the command to spec not viable anymore

[rose dove]

Atleast we arent WW monk who got their only good trait nerfed by 55%

[arctic isle]

people linking 75th percentile mythic logs first week POGGERS

[plain cairn]

Nice, maybe i’ll be able to equip my 385 shoulder now 😃

[arctic crow]

ya that one was rough

[sudden brook]

75th POG

[arctic crow]

for monks

[sand canyon]

So they nerfed all specs. 🤔

[sleek swan]

I'm sure it's been asked 100 times already, but do we go back to Sub for mythic+ now?

[strange python]

still performing better overall before nerfs

[kind roost]

WW also got gutted BFA prepatch, rip punchy guys

[terse pawn]

The Frenetic Corpuscle now activates more often.

[sudden brook]

you play the rogue spec that fits your comp the best

[terse pawn]

lmao

[sudden brook]

and the one u have the best gear for

[dim sentinel]

The nerfssss 😒

[terse pawn]

get your corpsucles out boys

[kind roost]

@terse pawn was that in the patch notes?

[dim sentinel]

what do you think now will be the best traits?

[terse pawn]

https://www.wowhead.com/news=287234/september-17th-hotfixes-vantus-rune-nerf-hydrocores-from-heroics-volzith-the-whi

[sudden brook]

https://www.wowhead.com/news=287234/september-17th-hotfixes-vantus-rune-nerf-hydrocores-from-heroics-volzith-the-whi

[sand canyon]

DH is ready 2 blast

[sudden brook]

[terse pawn]

can't wait for it to sim better than galecallers

[arctic crow]

i was gonna ask when will hero damage be updated

[sand canyon]

😂

[nimble bison]

Rip sin rerolling pigeon

[kind roost]

i just fucking DEd my copscule

FUCK BLIZZARD

fgnsdkl;jnfgsadglnasdg

[arctic crow]

see a shadow rank "Playing herodamage.com"

[strange python]

you play tier 2 dps or tier 2 dps mhm thinking

[terse pawn]

DE/scrapping gear in the year of our lord BFA 2018

[kind roost]

yeah ive learned a lot about DEing shit today.

[safe matrix]

You mean aethys, the lead on herodamage?

[nimble bison]

Is it live btw?

[sudden brook]

just item restore

[kind roost]

you cant item restore DE's can you

only if you sell it

[safe matrix]

You can

[random sentinel]

DH is 2 buttons play Keepo

[kind roost]

wow

really

[soft island]

@arctic crow usually it's like up to 8 hours after patch. Can be wrong tho?

[sudden brook]

u can u have to give them back a crystal tho

[indigo mulch]

Is the nerf actually THAT bad tho?

[kind roost]

ily guys

[arctic crow]

@soft island Thanks

[terse pawn]

dunno

[arctic agate]

So what are you guys rerolling to now?

[strange python]

dh is more than 2 buttons lol

[sudden ocean]

Does cloak still remove Lingering Infection stacks?

[arctic crow]

wow the shrine nerf too....

[terse pawn]

The absorb granted by Mchimba's Ritual Bandages is reduced by 55% while engaged in combat with enemy players.
The absorb granted by Xalzaix's Veiled Eye is reduced by 70% while engaged in combat with enemy players.

lmao

[sand canyon]

When did outlaw got nerfed?

[kind roost]

You can just macro all your buttons on DH and set the macros to scroll wheel up and down

[cobalt cave]

@indigo mulch Still seems pretty good

[cedar prism]

@sudden ocean Didn't for Heroic yesterday

[kind roost]

enjoy pulling top dps

[sudden ocean]

fug :DDD

[sudden brook]

uh

[unique zenith]

bench the entire raid, vantus got nerfed, everyone not doing enough damage now

[random sentinel]

@sand canyon come to outlaw 😄 the real pirate

[sand canyon]

@random sentinel When did they got nerfed?

[kind roost]

they nerfed vantus too?

ROFL

[arctic crow]

archive of the titans was already good

[kind roost]

@sand canyon last week i think

[arctic crow]

think it will be real strong

[undone cairn]

what are you guys thinking

[sudden brook]

it sucked what

[terse pawn]

Hydrocores now have a chance to drop off the final bosses of BfA dungeons in Heroic difficulty.

lmao what is this

[undone cairn]

2x DD 1x SS?

[terse pawn]

i don't need more fucking hydrocores

[kind roost]

@terse pawn world of casuals

[dim sentinel]

What will be the best traists now for assa?

[sand canyon]

By how much and what because Least week i pulled sin Numbers almost with outlaw

[sudden brook]

MORE HYDROCORES

[arctic crow]

traits will stay the same for sin

[cedar kelp]

imagine still needing hydrocores?

[terse pawn]

[With weekly maintenance in each region] The strength of Vantus Runes has been reduced to the same potency they had in Legion.

[soft island]

I will go ranged outlaw now and rename to Robin fromtheHood

[kind roost]

lol@that vantus nerf

[arctic crow]

only pistols

[kind roost]

what in the fuck

[indigo mulch]

Archive will problay one of the better traits after the buffs. 😮

[random sentinel]

@sand canyon last week on Deadshot but the other azerite is fine

[unique zenith]

just bench everyone

[onyx wind]

cant believe these super op traits are getting nerfed so we get more diversity

blizzard sucks

[unique zenith]

no vantus no raid

[kind roost]

Exeo you must be under the age of 20

[sand canyon]

@random sentinel you mean the snake trait?

[cedar kelp]

@kind roost omegalul

[dull spruce]

everyone in ravenholdt is 12

[arctic isle]

@kind roost jebaited

[faint harness]

People shocked that SS got nerfed?

[onyx wind]

hahahah

[kind roost]

if you realize that if something happens to things that people are passionate about, theyre going to bitch about it

[sudden brook]

"man why is it that a 340 is an upgrade to my 370, azerite traits are unbalanced" "man why is blizzard nerfing my OP traits its not fair"

[devout hamlet]

Nah

[rose dove]

@onyx wind Wont really be more diversity, the majority of traits suck so bad that there will just be a new optimal thing

[lilac coral]

can the fix the fuckin SS bug

[soft island]

Normal way to go is buff weak runes during progress so ppl can farm new options. Blizzard tho '' hold my beer ''

[onyx wind]

i have 3x ss aswell

[strange python]

Is SS stack still best?

[arctic agate]

@faint harness just surprised by how much, plus a little bit of trolling

[lilac coral]

nerf might not be awful on AOE if you can hit 4

[strange python]

im so gonna enjoy this when we see this on live only to realize assa single target is feral druid tier

[terse pawn]

now best trait combo is 3x champion of azeroth

[arctic crow]

that thunderous blast nerf is honestly huge for alot of classes

[terse pawn]

get to farming

[sudden brook]

POG

[ebon swallow]

SS got nerfed? my X2 SS only does 6k dps on 4 dummies..or am i missing something?

[random sentinel]

@sand canyon Snake trait is not nerfed for the moment ( i think post nerf the Dagger in the back comeback because matrix is down )

[soft island]

Is the subter gar bug atleast fixed tho?

[sudden brook]

who knows

[lilac fern]

When do you expect sims to come out

[sudden brook]

maybe

[lilac fern]

So we know what to run

[sudden brook]

probably tomorrow

[sand canyon]

@random sentinel should i play snake and lets make this also Nerf?🤔

[onyx wind]

wonder why they didnt nerf shuriken trait

[terse pawn]

snake build is viable!

because the shuriken trait is ass

and nobody uses it

[soft island]

I will play solitaire in the meantime. 👌

[arctic agate]

Please, real outlaws call it snek

[onyx wind]

ok thanks for info

[sand canyon]

So snake last Rogue Hope 🤔

[sudden brook]

no

[arctic crow]

snake looks boring as hell

[rose dove]

🐍 boi

[soft island]

@arctic agate not true. Snek was the meme dagger in mH build. So...

[sudden brook]

snake isnt even that good lul

[terse pawn]

snek uses 2x dagger anyway right?

[devout hamlet]

Blade in shadows is still good

[terse pawn]

brb rerolling

[sudden brook]

snake used to use double dagger but that meme build sucks now

[safe matrix]

snake is only 0.2% ahead of the next trait on the generic sims

you have variety

[sudden brook]

^^

[onyx wind]

you can play with whatever traits you want

[terse pawn]

i wouldn't mind vanilla combat rogue lmao

[onyx wind]

damn that sucks

[devout hamlet]

Back to sub

See ya nerds

[sand canyon]

Ok guys. Dh, warrior monk? What u wanna see?😂

[onyx wind]

id rather be forced into using a single trait and playstyle

[sudden brook]

^^

[strange python]

@sand canyon dh #1

[terse pawn]

sub needs to have enveloping shadows fixed

[gleaming prism]

just read the notes: are we dead?

[sudden brook]

wdym

[arctic agate]

@sand canyon ele shaman

[severe niche]

nightly build of simc was updated ye?

[soft island]

Also snek had only dagger in mH and w/e in oh

[eager cobalt]

Sin isn't dead

[random sentinel]

@sand canyon snake is good but not the best in outlaw . We need test dagger in the back

[sand canyon]

Ok lets gear the dh🤔 😂

[eager cobalt]

It's not a big enough nerf to kill the spec

It just makes it so we have to regear

[terse pawn]

why not just play warlock

[dull spruce]

it just makes DH better

[onyx wind]

sin is still good in m+

[terse pawn]

warlock is always king

[ember ermine]

!ss

[prisma monolith]

Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

[sudden brook]

all the rogue specs are just really good

it depends on comp/fight/content

all are still very good lol

[random sentinel]

@sand canyon DH never nerfed go gear xD

[terse pawn]

sub rogue pvp 😦

[indigo mulch]

we problay have to drop all the haste and start stacking mastery again ;-;

[sand canyon]

Okay man

[soft island]

It's all your fault for not playing a warlock. Period.

[sudden brook]

subs p good in double DPS 2s lul

[sand canyon]

Enjoying totay last sin day before rolling haha

[buoyant bay]

you guys think 2x SB and 1x TB will be decent?

[terse pawn]

why do demon hunters get mana burn

[strange python]

all the rogue specs after this nerf can be considered tier 2 to say the least @sudden brook

[terse pawn]

what happened to priest mana burn

[sand canyon]

The funny thing is sub will be still godtier because of prio dmg

[sudden brook]

i would not call rogue a tier 2 class lol

[terse pawn]

rogue specs tier 2

[strange python]

i would.

[terse pawn]

lmao dudee

[eager cobalt]

Rogue specs aren't going to be 2nd tier lol

[safe matrix]

all the specs have their niche

[sudden brook]

ur insane if u think rogue is a tier 2 class

[terse pawn]

rogues have never been tier 2 in their lives

[sudden brook]

rogue is extremely tier 1

[safe matrix]

and are still gonna be top 6 overall dps

[sudden brook]

^^

[strange python]

first time for everything

[sand canyon]

Even Played now in some dungeons

[strange python]

40%

[eager cobalt]

Is @strange python trolling?

[soft island]

@safe matrix except elemental ofc rite?

[vast berry]

Time for tier 3 class 😦

[sudden brook]

explain how rogue is a tier 2

[safe matrix]

I mean trogue specs

[strange python]

40% just wait till the reset.

[safe matrix]

elemental 😬

[soft island]

Oh. Then yes hehe

[sudden brook]

what is outlaw

what is sub

both are still insanely strong and assa still will be good in M+

like what

[strange python]

sub overall dps LUL

[soft island]

Baby don't hertz me.

[eager cobalt]

You can just use the Mutilate trait

[strange python]

LUL

[terse pawn]

dunno why you think sin will fall out of the top dps on raids lol

[cedar remnant]

example of tier 2 class ?

[rose dove]

🍿 🍿

[dull spruce]

rogue

[random sentinel]

Gear the Feral LUL

[soft island]

Warrior?

[sudden brook]

what does sub overall dps have to do with anything

[terse pawn]

feral lul

[civic hinge]

Will be the subt triple garotte stuff still be good after that nerf?

[terse pawn]

we forced the ferals in our guild to reroll boomy

[soft island]

Feral? Is that the spec u use only for prowl?

[terse pawn]

prowl even has a 6 sec cooldown lmao what a joke

[sand canyon]

@strange python sub overall dps was always ass still one of the best specs for Speed in m+

[soft island]

Prowl makes u almost invisible... Same as on dmg meter

[sand canyon]

I still play it over sin in waycrest & shrine because its just better

[strange python]

@sand canyon gear the dh, you will see

[kind roost]

@sand canyon link your armory please j/w

[sand canyon]

I know the dh every char is ready

[terse pawn]

link your armory

[sand canyon]

And i know their strenghts

[random sentinel]

DH godtier

[sudden brook]

LMFAO

[sand canyon]

Just pointing out ppl missing the speedgain from sub

[kind roost]

my dude

can you link your armory

[sand canyon]

If ppl know how to play

[strange python]

So the drama is still going?

Lul

you can't pad on every affix or all difficulties though

[onyx wind]

relax guys

[fervent hearth]

While I welcome the Nerf to TB, why did blizzard have to Nerf SS just when I switched from outlaw to sin 😔

[onyx wind]

you must be under 20

[sand whale]

speaking to musclebrah like he doesn't know his m+ XD

[sudden brook]

r u unironically asking to see a dudes armory

[onyx wind]

yeah dude he needs proof

[strange python]

whatever, this game is not going to change

[dull spruce]

how is your main insult "you must be under 20"

[eager cobalt]

Is it a big deal to ask for an armory when someone is talking about their damage?

[kind roost]

? how is that an insult

[onyx wind]

it was a joke jazza

[unique zenith]

he was referencing what he was told earlier

[onyx wind]

since amiray said that about me

[kind roost]

statement=insult

[onyx wind]

ok?

[kind roost]

ok?

[random skiff]

yo i dont even think the nerf is gonna be that serious

[strange python]

Everyone on this discord is 8/8 1200rio dude, whos muscle compared to them 😂

[onyx wind]

Amiray youre a very cool guy!

[eager cobalt]

The nerf isn't going to be bad

[kind roost]

So are you bud!

[eager cobalt]

It's a 900 dps loss on the trait

[strange python]

@strange python THIS GAME TOO HARD MAN

[onyx wind]

Can you link your armory to me?

[eager cobalt]

just get new armor with the mut trait

[fervent hearth]

You must be under 40, kiddo :

[eager cobalt]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/965QyZWvxzP1NAKu4iJpks

[kind roost]

I like the ugly girl you use for your picture exeo it makes you seem more human

[high siren]

omg

[onyx wind]

Roooasteeed

[wide vine]

Even that serious? Our main damage reduced by 40% 😮 sin SS spec is dead

[high siren]

40%, that nerf

[sudden brook]

are you being unironic

[kind roost]

are you

[unique zenith]

I'm 3/3 mythic on the next raid tier, return to valor

[sand canyon]

well i didnt pushed highkeys lately to much, could ezly do. im pointing out that sub > all in some casses dungeons. same in legion. why would you bring the rogue in EoA for highest speed. if overall its not even 70% of other pad classes? think about it, maybe you will get the idea

[onyx wind]

atleast im better than you at everything in this game

[random skiff]

lol

[sudden brook]

🍿

[kind roost]

i thought we were friends

why are you mad

[onyx wind]

im under 20 dude

ofc im mad

[kind roost]

that one really got to u huh

[sudden brook]

LMFAO

[amber sequoia]

you're tearing this family apart!

[safe matrix]

!mute @kind roost 1h take this time to calm down

[random skiff]

no just the trait is nerfed by 40% most of the damage is subter anyways

[sudden brook]

LMFAO

[sand canyon]

looking to overall dps is like. idk twitch chat 200iq. omfg frost mage 200k burst, does MAGE STRUM

[safe matrix]

!mute @onyx wind 1h you too

[sand canyon]

what a logic

[cedar kelp]

omegalul

[sudden brook]

:o

[rose dove]

I DID NAT HIT HER

[sand canyon]

[serene glacier]

[random skiff]

trash tier rogues are losing their shit

[amber sequoia]

but ma fotm

[indigo mulch]

I wish we could actually have a discussion on what to do instead of shouting "OMGZ 40% NURF SPEC DEDED"

;-;

[cedar kelp]

i dont think over the course of a fight that 1 ss will outclass a 3x double dose

[sand whale]

the only thing we can do is

[cedar remnant]

whats going on..we are all brothers..yellow team

[sudden brook]

FOTM rerollers

[sand whale]

wait and see

[unique zenith]

it's starting to die down, tbh

[lofty sand]

wow I tab out of here and some dude calls Maryia Takeuchi ugly, wtf man

[unique zenith]

you can actually see chat now

instead of it flying by

[rose dove]

diminishing

[sudden brook]

it was a clown fiesta earlier

[indigo mulch]

So 1x SS and 2x muti traits now?

[sand canyon]

so lets enjoy now, the last broken day 😄

[strange python]

what do you mean what to do, blizzard does whatever the fuck they want dude, something gets too much light on it gets nerfed, period, till the end tier of expansion comes, that's when something broken remains broken i.e. windwalker monks in antorus

[serene glacier]

@indigo mulch We will move on to sharpened blades, which will get nerfed next week, then we will move to double dose which will get nerf the week after and so on

[sage cosmos]

so do we know if they atleast fixed the bug?

[unique zenith]

blizzard probably saw that SS was performing about 40% better than other traits

[amber sequoia]

thats a good question actually

[unique zenith]

and then nerfed it by 40%

[random sentinel]

@sand canyon enjoy the SS xD

[strange python]

until finally champions of azeroth becomes the best trait for all 3 specs

[serene glacier]

doesn't have to fix bug when you remove it from the game

[sudden brook]

i mean they arent nerfing "the best traits"

[indigo mulch]

Why are people even suprrised about that? I mean it was clearly over-preforming.

[sudden brook]

they are nerfing the traits that are absurdly over the line

[amber sequoia]

everyone knew it was coming

[indigo mulch]

Yeah

[safe matrix]

Just so you are aware, be calm and reasonable. Channel rules are still in effect and I don't mind giving you time outs to go and read them.

[sudden brook]

SS BITS and Deadshot were WAY too good

[sand canyon]

here is the funny thing

[sudden brook]

they NEEDED tweaking

[sand canyon]

gonna play dh

[sudden brook]

FOTM rerollers

[serene glacier]

yeah nerf was coming ... but wasn't expecting half the dmg xd

[sand canyon]

and it wil lget nerfed anyway by 1 week

goddamn good to multiclass 😄

[strange python]

people implying that blizzard actually made a change in such a stupid way, by purely comparing class/spec traits and not taking in account an overall performance basis is just beyond me

[rose dove]

@safe matrix ❤

[lilac fern]

I'm honestly mind blown that they didnt touch Demon Hunters with this hotfix cycle

[sudden brook]

probably bcuz they didnt need a nerf

[dull spruce]

RB does

[sand canyon]

i mean

they nerfed UC by alot @lilac fern

[indigo mulch]

I think DH's are in a good state. They arent over-preforming.

[cedar kelp]

DH disc is literally rofling over not getting RB nerfed haha

[sudden brook]

well yeah thats pvp

u can tweak pvp on its own

[lofty sand]

I think the only class that seems to shine too hard right now is Disc

[dull spruce]

what?

[indigo mulch]

disc is great in high m+

[amber sequoia]

on the bright side, I guess they got what they wanted outta the nerf. I can probably put on my 370 now lol

[indigo mulch]

Thats about it.

[sudden brook]

so is druid, so is pally, so is MW

[cedar kelp]

classes such as BM/DH that require next to no level of micro to manage the class should not be doing the damage they rae doing tbh

[sudden brook]

why not

[lofty sand]

Disc is great in raids too, every group you watch running mythics has their disc waay above the other healers

[random skiff]

same

[unique zenith]

guys, listen no matter how bad it gets at least we can all agree, at least we aren't shaman

[random skiff]

scent of blood 370 feels bad tho

or unholy DK

[strange python]

just wait till the reset guys, we will have a chat then so you can actually understand what's happening

[amber sequoia]

my 370 is blood rite / SoB, so yeah lol

[sudden brook]

yeah im gonna reroll to DH next week rogues dead

[unique zenith]

am I incorrect to believe a 40% nerf to SS is happening?

[random skiff]

how do you guys feel about elemental whirl ?

[lofty sand]

whats there to understand my dude?

[strange python]

people think 10-15% flat is whatever

haha

[amber sequoia]

side note, how does the damage numbers for SS actually add up?

[random skiff]

dude

[lilac lily]

And you think 40% on the trait is not much?

[random skiff]

from 511 bonus to 309 bonus

at 340

[eager cobalt]

The nerf isn't bad

[random skiff]

its not the end of the world

[eager cobalt]

I lose ~500 dps

[lilac lily]

It's not the end of the world

but it is quite bad

[eager cobalt]

and I have 2 of the trait

[sudden brook]

"i hate when my class is broken and gets nerfed"

[safe matrix]

offtopic memes belong in offtopic

[random skiff]

only children are losing their shit tbh

[frank wyvern]

atleast i wont feel bad enjoying outlaw more then sin

[next grotto]

I'm playing without ss traits, and it's fine

[frank wyvern]

had to play sin since it had better dps

[serene glacier]

I mean I know what is blizz trying to do, they want make all the traits garbage, so we can equip the highest ilvl azerite gear

[sudden brook]

but if they are all garbage, then they are all good

[serene glacier]

[amber sequoia]

it does make sense, it just feels bad with how annoying / expensive it is to play around with az traits

[frank wyvern]

i prefer having all mediocre then having 1 that is absurdly op over others

then i get 40 ilvl higher piece and cannot use it

cause shit trait

[unique zenith]

honestly, they should''ve buffed all assa traits by 60%

[frank wyvern]

😄

[indigo mulch]

@serene glacier Thast what tehy want to do. They even said thats what they want. They want ilvl azirite gear to matter.

[lofty sand]

nothing changes for people that played sin since the begining, nothing changes for people that are always chasing the next fotm. Not a whole lot going on here to understand.

[tight meteor]

why not just make all the traits do the same dps so the choice doesnt matter 🤔

[eager cobalt]

Yeah traits feels like a bad system

[frank wyvern]

im just wondering if raidbots already reflect the change

[eager cobalt]

no

[sudden brook]

not yet iirc

[frank wyvern]

okay

[amber sequoia]

Im just kinda let down by traits as a whole, just because they all feel boring. I want them to be gameplay changing, like tier bonuses or legendaries

[strange python]

traits is not necessarily a bad system, the traits themselves are trash

[indigo mulch]

I'm just curious to see if i need to swap off all my haste into mastery/crit now.

[frank wyvern]

i like traits system, just need better tuning

[cedar kelp]

id rather have tier sets of traits all day

[sudden brook]

same tbh

[lost coral]

when reforging azerite items cost you more than 20$ good life

[cedar remnant]

if all trait same dps..what do we grind?

[serene glacier]

that's why they should move the traits to neck, make it a "talent tree" and make normal head/shoulder"chest pieces

[silk jolt]

whats a spammable stealth macro

[unique zenith]

I just wish certain traits were unique but could give you a new ability

[silk jolt]

which doesnt unstealth

[sudden brook]

i mean, deadshot is like a tier set for outlaw

same with ace honestly

[amber sequoia]

traits could be super interesting, but just x does a little more dmg or you get crit is just stupid

[frank wyvern]

im sure you will have enough grind getting the bis stat pieces and weapons

[unique zenith]

kinda like artifact abilities 🤔

[sudden brook]

there are some good traits, but some of the neutrals are a bit too good