That's m+ logs
#assassination
lucid ruin
timber mauve
wot
marble hemlock
stop linking m+ wclogs ><
dull spruce
<
prime void
it is broken in m+ tho.. lol
ripe dock
why? we were talking about m+ dps
hazy sphinx
It is.
hushed pulsar
we're talking about raid impact of this?
dreamy thunder
with poison bomb?
strange python
Seli so rapture trait it is ?
hushed pulsar
of course the nerf with m+ is fine
strange python
SS is BEAST single target dude
marble hemlock
yeah well, if youre really talking about m+, then what kind? +5s? +10s? highkeys?
marble hemlock
cause those are all very different
prime void
the majority of you dont play at a progression level
where it matters
lol
Also sub is played in deep prog
not sin
marble hemlock
very few people pushing highkeys actually log their keys
dull spruce
'the majority of you'
ruby idol
Yikes
ripe dock
like we wont get invs
surreal rivet
but fuck it im gonna play assa regardless
ripe dock
chill out wtf
strange python
"we can invis pot buddy"
surreal rivet
if my gm wants to sit me fuck him too
kind roost
@prime void why is sub better in M prog? more consistent?
marble hemlock
theres plenty of reasons, biggest of which would be that combat is already keeping up with assa in higher keys, and nothing about that will change 😄
strange python
"we will take the dh 10k more dps"
ripe dock
I already said that look at context maybe
olive egret
Too bad snake eyes is yawn
signal crag
i cant wait to throw a psn dagger
silent plinth
is sharpened blades gonna be the top trait ?
hushed pulsar
yep...
fresh nexus
one question, what does SoB trait stands for?
wooden parrot
Scent of Blood
hushed pulsar
scent of blood
frozen badger
Tears
surreal rivet
^
frozen badger
Oh, that's just sob
surreal rivet
gotta speak it into existence, tomorrow we all get 385 SS pieces
normal galleon
Yes, my class fantasy is smacking a boss and then throwing a dagger at a target I can touch.
kind roost
ill take a 385 ss piece any day. Still gonna be great having one.
signal crag
@surreal rivet stop that i dont want that shit ass trait
surreal rivet
someone pin it
surreal rivet
you get a SS, you get a SS, EVERYONE GETS AN SS
steel wagon
Honestly I just like the cp gain from having 2 ss lol
median mason
what time to mythic chests open est? 10?
inland path
i told you that nerd was coming tuesday
hushed pulsar
bagsy my new 385 SB shoulders incoming
hollow bridge
sphincuts i would like it too if it were always, instead of only from stealth
silent plinth
i mean blizz balances classes through azerite traits and does drastic things 
surreal rivet
i just need shoulders, ill keep the 379 uldir ss
late niche
will pistol shot still be a viable race after the ss nerf?
surreal rivet
wut
steel wagon
What
marble hemlock
jord just broke the endless crying
signal crag
wat
fringe zodiac
Assa gets pistol?
steel wagon
fringe zodiac
👀
surreal rivet
385 SS pieces for everyone merry christmas
marble hemlock
10messages a second about how the world is ending. jordthebird comes along, and #assa has stopped functioning for an entire minute
signal crag
we will be rogue hunters
steel wagon
Assassin is actually a range class now
white lance
late niche
lmao
lofty sand
we will become modern day assassins and just gun people down
fringe zodiac
Hallow of the dead rouges
steel wagon
Main cp builder is poison knife
hushed pulsar
fucking end me
signal crag
new trait will be Hollow Point
normal galleon
Just let me have a ranged rogue spec then.
strange python
Maybe calm your nipples
hollow bridge
that throwing specc everyone begged for - troll axethrower, well class fantasy has been realised with ninja star poison bleed boi asassination rogues
steel wagon
They should just give us back burst of speed
white lance
what mean SoB?
lofty sand
Some people do play with that Sharpened Blades spec, heck before SS was a thing we even had a guy who played a FoK build and was pretty sucessful at it
marble hemlock
cause stacking scent of blood traits is a pretty significant boost in aoe situations where you are maintaining 5+ ruptures?
fringe zodiac
FoK it dude
dull spruce
hopefully they remoze azerite next week
lofty sand
Yes you
delicate crater
Does the Nightstalker buff apply to any damage ability you use from stealth?
lofty sand
thats what it says, no?
steel wagon
They are going to give assassin backstab
vast mulch
are they at least gonna fix the bug that removes SS buff when casting an extra garrote?
lucid ruin
Seriously Azerite gear is such a failed concept already I hope it gets reworked into something less stupid
kind roost
no they dont give a fuck about bugs
surreal rivet
@vast mulch no
light kestrel
Ofc not, they hoped the nerf would stop us from using it so they don't have to fix it
lofty sand
probably not, I dont think they care about the bugs
vast mulch
fucking idiots
strange python
@vast mulch it's not a bug
hushed pulsar
unpopular opinion - give e back my artifact weapons
white lance
i want legendaries back
hushed pulsar
kek
vast mulch
it is a bug @strange python
gleaming condor
popular opinion
frosty oak
so is scent of blood the go to for aoe, and what for ST? sharpened blades?
gleaming condor
actually
kind roost
i would take legion legendaries over this trash
steel wagon
Yeah I got a 370 shoulder yesterday and it’s a 60 dps loss to my 340 shoulder. Kind of a shit system
livid kestrel
popular opinion
vast mulch
bleeds are supposed to snapshot
barren forge
did i hear FOK? remember antorus? 😄
kind roost
pretty sure people didnt have a problem with legion legendaries
lucid ruin
I would take no carrot system over this
kind roost
they had a problem with acquiring them
steel wagon
Like a 30 ilvl upgrade is a dps loss. That feels like absolute shit
sand whale
fok da police
hushed pulsar
fok everything
marble hemlock
you rang?
barren forge
xD
white lance
whenever i get loot nowadays im actually upset because its never the loot i want
strange python
lul
barren forge
so double dose better than fok? confirmed by @marble hemlock
steel wagon
The fok relic bullshit was hilarious as fuck though
lucid ruin
Remember when you could look at a piece of loot and say okay that's BIS im going to go target farm that
and you got it and it was over
light kestrel
I replaced my 370 azerite shoulders with 340 SS ones, guess I'll be swapping back to the other shoulders
lucid ruin
until next teir
white lance
hilarous as... fok?
steel wagon
They want that /played metric up
If you get your bis people quit playing
Gotta chase that TF now
soft island
Hello nerf3d comrades. How are your nerf3d asses doin
steel wagon
We are drowning in bleach leave us be
lucid ruin
They didn't though, if they got 14 BIS pieces they just leveled alts until next tier
marble hemlock
no
terse hinge
Hol up, what happened to ss??
white lance
as ive said before, hotfixes is the new content
lucid ruin
this system makes people frustrated and quit
jolly notch
couldnt blizz just gave reduced ss damage bonus for each garrote up instead of nerfing the build to hell for single target as well?
strange python
b o t t o m t i e r b o i s
marble hemlock
it could, but it isnt @frosty oak
signal crag
soft island
Check pins
runic vapor
glad i pre rerolled lelel
marble hemlock
m+ will very likely remain 3xSS, or switch to 3xScent on trash-heavy dungeons like motherlode or for fortified weeks in general
surreal rivet
well gn boys tomorrow is doomsday
runic vapor
toobad revolving blades bouta get nerfed too
unique zenith
nothing to see here just a dead class 🤣
(heehee)
lucid ruin
I think you will still want 1xSS for the 2 combo points
jolly notch
like real shit it was OP in aoe but in st it was the only thing keeping the build viable
strange python
well lads, it was fun while it lasted.
soft island
Time to reroll feral for bleed spec, huehue
strange python
Eyy feels good when you can finally equipp ur 3x 370 scent of blood and not be forced to wear 340 garrote 👌
white lance
theyre putting fires out but doing nothing about the problem
slate agate
rip Assassination bois 😦
strange python
embrace the abyss
cedar kelp
so like.. is there even a good rogue spec now
unique zenith
LOL
frosty oak
is subterfuge still going to be the go to for raiding? or would nightstalker + sharpened blades vanish shuriken toss be better? or master assassin? like legion dfa build for sub
unique zenith
reroll to shaman
lucid ruin
Rogues are still incredibly strong
buoyant bay
unique zenith
I hear they new top tier
buoyant bay
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
soft island
Method benched spookie so no
chilly obsidian
Rogues dead xd
surreal rivet
did they seriously bench spookie?
rancid oxide
so SS no longer bis ST but still best for M+ right?
unique zenith
oh fuuuck, the people in the .0000001% benched their rogue
lucid ruin
They benched all rogues for ghuun
unique zenith
it's over boys
frosty oak
it may not be as good as scent of blood now @rancid oxide
unique zenith
time to go shaman
soft island
He wasn't progressing yesterday whole day, so I guess
barren forge
scent of blood? you kidding me?
surreal rivet
im gonna play assa regardless of nerfs tbh
runic vapor
time to reroll guildwars2
soft island
Elemental is better than us 
mental mirage
Nice meme
hushed pulsar
time to reroll LOTRO :^)))))))))))))))))))))
surreal rivet
maybe they'll fix the bug
strange python
Be hapyy, we could be monks, they are on the slit wrist train
surreal rivet
i sim 15.3 will prob sim 15k
lucid ruin
BIS is no talents selected at all
frosty oak
i mean i have 3x scent and with 4 mobs i get like 1200 agi
lofty sand
oh to the guy who was talking about WW getting wrecked as well, they really didn't, they don't even need to change gear just talents apparently.
strange python
Check peak
livid bronze
ww went to bottom of the meters
lofty sand
I just did
hushed pulsar
peak is not pleased
soft island
Garrote is big chunk of the dmg in m+. It's a huge nerf imo
lofty sand
there is an article about it already
unique zenith
garrote was a big chunk because SS was way overtuned
lofty sand
with numbers crunched
surreal rivet
@soft island its still good in m+
rigid sky
aoe in m+ will just be on pair with other classes that's all
gleaming condor
link the article
surreal rivet
we're worried about raids
lucid ruin
Sin needed an M+ nerf and it's still going to be good
marble hemlock
garrote is ~30-35% of your damage in m+. you lose ~29% of those 35%, which equates to a 10-15% nerf. its not THAT huge.
lofty sand
Not sure I can link stuff here, I rather not
cedar kelp
without garrote. sin is literally nothing
rancid oxide
so scent for M+ and what for ST?
cedar kelp
omegalul
gleaming condor
dm it to me @lofty sand
strange python
sub nerf felt twice as much
wicked nymph
what u think about the trait for the poisen dagger ??
strange python
i wonder how this feels
proven ice
Archive of the titans now BiS, how exciting.
strange zodiac
dm me please @lofty sand
strange zodiac
id like to see it too
lucid ruin
The nerf doesn't remove Garrote from your bars 
unique zenith
alright, hot prediction, in a week, people will still be playing assa and adjust. heck people will still play rogue
wild
hushed pulsar
lucky me got dat 370 archive head
surreal rivet
people are still gonna play assa
its just gonna be annoying'
i wonder if archive will be better then SS in raid
lofty sand
back to the drawing board, probably do some simming try some different shit
frozen karma
I trial tomorrow, I’m pretty stressed about it with this nerf, especially since I only have like 1 hour to prepare before the raid cuz I’ll be at work
unique zenith
lmao, comparing rogue to feral and shadow
marble hemlock
nah, its gonna be better, cause now i actually have to play the entire spec to do good damage, not just press the same button 3 times and watch my dps hit 20k without me doing anything else 😃
unique zenith
what a world
surreal rivet
i got promoted to raider last week
lofty sand
people were playing Sin before SS got "fixed"
hushed pulsar
same xD
swift pine
🐷
slender pewter
How many rogue nerfs is that in total?
surreal rivet
im 4/8m and im still gonna be playing assa
slender pewter
We got shat on in PvP Sub, PvE Sub now PvE sin
surreal rivet
regardless of nerfs
rancid oxide
how soon will hero damage be updated?
sand whale
really? I plan to sub on zul
main blaze
Tomorrow
barren forge
after reset
frozen karma
I dont mind the dmg nerf but like I’ll have no idea what replaces SS / talents / opener etc if theorycrafters dont find out stuff before my raid
chilly obsidian
Sub on zul is still prob the go to
severe raven
do you always 5CP rupture even if its about to fall and you're energy starved?
without enough cps
main blaze
Well zul and sub makes sense. Everything else Assn is good
terse hinge
In total since prepatch
hollow dawn
are you all quitting
main blaze
No
strange python
@hollow dawn HE IS A DEMON HUNTER
hushed pulsar
we're going through the stages of grief
hollow dawn
why not
strange python
^ THIS GUY
hollow dawn
dont reveal my identity
frozen karma
Think we’ll already have bis stuff updated for tomorrow? Traits talents etc
broken fiber
40% nerf sin dead spec
white lance
ive seen 😒
hollow dawn
not much to think about
hushed pulsar
at least when we all switch to DH we won't have to learn much :^)
hollow dawn
true
broken fiber
we all going DH?
lyric pond
yup, its the BM hunters of melees
strange python
m o n g o s p e c s
jovial kite
Just switching sub np
marble hemlock
in what world is garrote 60% of trashdamage?
hollow dawn
in what world is it not
hushed pulsar
I hear if you press eye beam harder it does more damage
forest forge
any 2+pull
jovial kite
lazel is just trying to trigger
sand whale
hey hey
strange python
@hollow dawn fortified dude
marble hemlock
do people go afk after hitting garrote 3times?
sand whale
at least we have to press a button 3 times
mental mirage
yes they do
white lance
yes they do
lyric pond
and and if you light tab your bind for fel barrage it adds 2k deeps
marble hemlock
maybe thats the problem :p
hollow dawn
do you need to hit anything else other than garrote to do competitive dmg?
cedar kelp
but seriously, without us doing more damage.. we just get fucked on ST
lyric pond
*tap
strange python
Ours
jovial kite
if hes the real lazel hes a known cunt
strange python
@hollow dawn hello is this coming from a fel barrage user
jovial kite
hollow dawn
can garrote 3 targets go afk still do more dps than most specs
white lance
on par with jazu
hollow dawn
ez
gleaming condor
i mean if u have anime as ur picture
terse hinge
I mean
jovial kite
wew
warm parcel
Sure seli
mental mirage
you seem to be a dog then
forest forge
wew lad
slender pewter
I just checked my DMG from my last M+ run
warm parcel
Ss nerf also fucks over progressing rogues
marble hemlock
hello mr. weak
slender pewter
Garrote is 31.6% of my damage
marble hemlock
yeah
slender pewter
I'm running 2 SS traits
warm parcel
So thanks for that blizz
marble hemlock
but youre benched for mythrax/ghuun anyway
forest forge
thats with bosses tho
marble hemlock
so youre done with progress already, no?
jovial kite
i mean they effectively nerfed 3/4 top traits for sin
frozen karma
Btw what happens to logs when theres a nerf like that, my parses will be weaker or will it be appropriate for the nerf?
forest forge
minus anything st from that
sharp viper
time to level a warlock!
jovial kite
theyre at ghuun seli
warm parcel
Well not exacrly
white lance
ghuun = no rogues = he done
terse hinge
If we honestly wanna think competitively, what we lookin towards? Probs gonna get benched on raid group so
forest forge
should of had a lock alt
warm parcel
Just a lower chance to see assa now
forest forge
@white lance
jovial kite
@terse hinge go sub
barren forge
so after the SS nerf, will haste still be so strong?
hollow dawn
tears 
marble hemlock
but yeah, i was talking about it a couple of times, i fully expected SS to be nerfed, but not during the progression, and not without some buffs for ST to make up for it
jovial kite
Or get 3x sharpened
surreal rivet
bottom line is assa will still be good in raids, just not miles ahead like we were
white lance
@forest forge truth
jovial kite
lazel go back to tc
terse hinge
Played sub in cata. Thought it yo be ew. But.
hollow dawn
i left tc 2 years ago
jovial kite
or banned 
terse hinge
I do actually have 2 sharpen pieces so..
surreal rivet
at least assa will be easier to parse on
hollow dawn
want me to join right now to prove a point
terse hinge
That could work
restive latch
werent you doing this same thing in frags chat like 2 hours ago? 🤔
hollow dawn
yes
lofty sand
Everyone saw that nerf coming from miles away, I'd like to think someone was smart enough to store some other traits in their bank
hollow dawn
this is really fun
strange python
@hollow dawn demon hunters can't prove shit boi
mental mirage
nice
terse hinge
@lofty sand I just had a ton bc I am a gear hoarder. Lol
hollow dawn
deleted
strange python
What traits to run in pve after ss nerf tomorrow
terse hinge
And yet only had 1 ss piece. Lol..
strange python
1 ss 2 ttk?
tacit dune
Read the pins
half ginkgo
thank god i have just stored all my 340 azerite pieces in my bank to swap... hell yes..
jovial kite
@strange python get sharpened
strange python
Pins has answer to post nerf question that doesn't exist yet?
hollow dawn
rogue has 3 specs top 5 ST, gets nerfed, complains
dansgame
what is this community
gilded fossil
385 shoulders with SS Rip
lofty sand
@terse hinge time to go on a sim spree and post your results here
tacit dune
It does actually it has aethys commenting on the nerf
severe raven
im complaining about the wasted time farming gear that they KEEP making shitty
icy crater
I don't think people are upset that they're weaker. They're upset that they have to farm for new gear that could take ages.
hollow dawn
bro
surreal rivet
i regret trading the heroic shoulders i got from zul last week
hollow dawn
how could u not foresee this coming
icy crater
Azerite is just super annoying. Its such a shit system.
hollow dawn
from weeks ago
strange python
@hollow dawn it would be completely fine if they nerfed it properly, not slamming it into the deepest pit of africa
slim sand
I don't like how expensive Azerite reforging gets lol
white lance
now i understand why azerite gear wasnt tradable in the start 🤔
hollow dawn
sad thing is its prob still bis trait in m+
white lance
they wanted us to hoard it all!
gleaming condor
sad thing is ur still here
hollow dawn
cause of how obscenely broken it is
strange python
was*
lofty sand
still is, till reset
strange python
Should be fair in m+ now 🤷
sand whale
true, my reaction was wait they touched sub and outlaw but left ss?
cedar kelp
who gives a fuck about whats op
lofty sand
you can go do some content right now and enjoy your last hours of SS
slim sand
Long as I don't have to use Sharpened Blades, I'm fine
cedar kelp
id rather ppl get loot with broken traits in pve hello?
hollow dawn
fairly sure you'd have to
terse hinge
@slim sand You're gonna have to use sharpened blades
surreal rivet
so looks like the 370 SoB shoulders from zul are good now?
terse hinge
LOL
strange python
The real question is
slim sand
😢
soft island
Sb was nerf3d too?
strange python
Are they fixing the fucking bug
slim sand
But... I don't like Sharpened Blades!
undone cairn
Pleaseee
blissful dove
They'll never fix the bug
terse hinge
Nobody does
strange python
They can sure nerf it without fixing it
lofty sand
I wouldnt bet on it sjofn
rigid sky
who could foresee that balancing 10+ azerite traits for each spec will be harder than 2 set bonuses xD damn I really like that expansion its such a failure
undone cairn
3X double dose boys
sour trout
so whats the results? everyone playing outlaw now?
undone cairn
Ez 👏
slim sand
Is Double Dose far off from Sharpened Blades on dps?
strange python
So twist the knife isn't good in pve?
undone cairn
For 3 nah
icy crater
double dose is ahead
terse hinge
@slim sand I hope double dose is the goto
undone cairn
Oh?
icy crater
It will be the goto most likely according to hero dmg atm
strange python
Pvp people were saying even pre nerf to run atleast 2 TTK
surreal rivet
im not in to much of a bad spot though, x2 ss and x1 dagger in the back, all i gotta do is replace my 340 SS shoulders
blissful dove
does MP affect double dose? does it count as deadly proc?
tight ravine
i think i'd rather quit than have to keep farming up for azerite shit
severe raven
where did you get dagger in the back cyanide?
surreal rivet
385 helm
restive latch
yikes man
surreal rivet
im progressing on fetid and im still gonna ride out on assa
lofty sand
well quitting is as much of an option as anything, you gotta play whats fun to you
surreal rivet
i dont think exsang will be good anymore tho
terse hinge
Hmm
terse hinge
I don't think an envenom build is reliable either atm..
strange python
assa on single target
blissful dove
it's still going to be fine
strange python
LUL
wicked nymph
i just try a bit with 2x Sharpened blade and 1x laser matrix but its a 3k dps ost for me
frozen karma
What is SoB btw
soft island
I actually left for same reason I didn't like Me Andromeda. This game sux and is unfinished and full of bugs. No nerfing involved, lul.
hollow dawn
might as well scream "i am inting my raid" for playing assa on fetid
lofty sand
I think we have a lot of simming to do once the pity party is over
blissful dove
scent of blood @frozen karma
frozen karma
Thanks
hushed pulsar
@hollow dawn that's in concordance with what we're babyraging about, gotta find a new angle :p
strange python
LIMIT GHUUN SECRET PLANS SABOTAGE
shell pollen
can't sim until we have simcraft
surreal rivet
is SoB gonna be good now? if so ill start fishing for the shoulders from zul
wicked nymph
when is the patch going on in na??? im just eu i got one more day to have fun
cedar remnant
my condolence fellow rogue
hushed pulsar
@hollow dawn Say that SS is still viable and we should stop whining
strange python
ye sub is good, back at 11k
hollow dawn
assa is kinda dansgame
surreal rivet
i think assa is still viable, def has more sustained dmg then sub
hollow dawn
what does it matter if u have sustained dmg when u cant kill adds
blissful dove
fight length matters
hollow dawn
surreal rivet
i sim 15.3k now will prob sime 14.9-15k after nerf
restive latch
I dont think sub is 11k, I simmed 12.5 earlier with 350 weaps and garbage traits
sour trout
I played sub when it was broken - switch assassination cause SS was broken - now i'm lost.. i need my broken spec..
white igloo
You can kill adds
scenic nacelle
only one way to go, Outlaw
oblique vector
is SS still good for M+?
frozen karma
@surreal rivet I think it’ll be more closer to 14k
scenic nacelle
no
white lance
kevetic 👉 dh
scenic nacelle
I was joking
terse hinge
Dude... I can't play outlaw.
hollow dawn
look at this rogues
lofty sand
@sour trout I think outluls are still happy with their meme snek build
strange python
oh man im laughing to myself, i think the reroll is real
terse hinge
@hollow dawn Hasn't hit yet. Lol.
surreal rivet
@frozen karma def not that low, i only have x2 SS
sour trout
i sim around 14.8k and still not first in my guild... gonna feel bad when i lose the SS damage
oblique vector
so what will the go to traits be for M+ then?
barren forge
@hollow dawn thats a DH dude
sour trout
must find fast way to top charts
lofty sand
oh I thought this lazel dude played rogue
terse hinge
@lofty sand doesnt seem like it.
strange python
lazel is a dh who came here to laugh at us
restive latch
nah pretty sure hes just here to troll
inner pulsar
How does SoB go from being more that halfway down the chart to suddenly being something to look for?
terse hinge
You could play a demon hunter with a garage door opener wtf
unkempt phoenix
implying mut rogue requires a brain either
blissful dove
lol
unkempt phoenix
LOL
strange python
he doesn't really talk shit tbh
mystic glade
Lol
lofty sand
oh well thats just our fault isnt it? We're obviously lacking moderation
frozen karma
Both are one of the easiest specs
surreal rivet
i mean dh is legit 2 buttons
terse hinge
This is true.
hollow dawn
what are you loling at
blissful dove
Well, I'll check back tomorrow when I get bracers I don't need from my cache
surreal rivet
and the occasional eye beam
amber sequoia
I don't think anyone is under any illusion assass is super complex
hazy iron
Is raidbots updated with the new nerfs?
blissful dove
Good luck homies
barren forge
its not a hotfix. goes with the NA reset @humble mantle
solar zealot
sims won't be up and running until tomorrow
hollow dawn
think people who complain about other specs being easy are one tricks
barren forge
after reset
unkempt phoenix
i don't think calling specs face roll is an argument in 2018
terse hinge
Y'all remember when you could get top dps as Havoc by Auto attacking? TBH it reminds me of x3 ss lol
strange python
@hollow dawn yeah bro you are right, havoc is actually insane to master
solar zealot
how?
strange python
@hollow dawn especially in M+ bruh
unkempt phoenix
also imagine freaking out and asking if you should reroll over an azerite trait nerf
restive latch
I think people who hop in random discords to troll are probably on the spectrum
terse hinge
Oh dude, all classes are hard to master. Lets put it this way. Every class is easy to be average at
lofty sand
I think he means we're all equally brainless?
solar zealot
really not that interesting
hollow dawn
well you play momentum in m+, i am fairly sure playing momentum is way harder for your average joe than playing assa
but ey
terse hinge
You can tell the difference between a good and a bad player
lofty sand
I dont disagree honestly
terse hinge
No matter the class
strange python
momentum LUL
rigid sky
who cares about m+ its not f diablo
solar zealot
lmao
hollow dawn
what are u luling at
hazy pebble
So has a conclusion been reached on what to do now?
solar zealot
tons of people m+
strange python
you dashing at walls on last boss tol dagor
unique zenith
🍿
hollow dawn
garrote 3x
unkempt phoenix
you still use SS and play the game like you always did : )
solar zealot
EYE BEAM.
strange python
at least it's not a brain fart
hollow dawn
it is pretty brain fart
lofty sand
@hazy pebble we're still having a shitstorm, check back tomorrow or later
strange python
Who gives a fuck
rigid sky
fun is in raids 20 man content and not getting gear day 1 because you can spam some m+
hazy pebble
Okay thanks haha
snow pendant
Was about to switch from outlaw to assassination, is it still worth with the inc nerf?
solar zealot
no one knows
tribal sand
the 40% is a lot but compared to the other play styles of the other traits you may have to go..i think ill stick with SS
solar zealot
obviously sims are going to be lower
hollow dawn
just dont pretend a spec takes a lot more skill than another when all specs are a joke to play
solar zealot
but no one knows yet
barren forge
dont feed that troll guys.
hollow dawn
especially not assa
strange python
@hollow dawn i can agree with that
hollow dawn
or havoc
terse hinge
@hollow dawn very very true. Everything is ez atm..
restive latch
but youve been saying that for like 30 mins
hollow dawn
comparing which 1 is more braindead is a braindead comparison to begin with
terse hinge
Its just how things are
solar zealot
BM is hard 
restive latch
4Head
tribal sand
acting as if havoc is comparable to any other spec is the game is laughable
frozen karma
Compared to havoc maybe
tribal sand
hacov is 3 buttons
strange python
havoc is pretty much straight forward in contrast to assa bleed timer tracking and energy management, clearly our spec is in a different league than yours tbh but still both are easy i agree
unique zenith
🍿 🍾
hollow dawn
i think it is pretty hard in m+ with momentum
unkempt phoenix
i think the most braindead thing is to consider rerolling over a trait nerf 🤔
wanton wagon
BM pet AI is worse that sc:bw dragoon pathing tho
solar zealot
i hate the pet
amber sequoia
lmao
solar zealot
i literally
cant
even
unfortunately MM is dogshit
like
completely
and survival is meh
surreal rivet
bout to kill lions roar, if i get those shoulders ill be set for tomorrow
terse hinge
@hollow dawn As much as I'd like to argue this I'm sure I just dont get it due to not playing DH.
wanton wagon
Surv is pretty okay, but why play hunter then play melee?
lofty sand
because spears
sour trout
what do u mean by that @surreal rivet
solar zealot
but i play a hunter for ranged
sour trout
i go tthe shoulders today
hollow dawn
well u have to fel rush and vengeful retreat around
wanton wagon
I want old surv 😦
solar zealot
like
unique zenith
guys we should reroll to ele sham
hollow dawn
to do proper dmg
white lance
i got the shoulders
solar zealot
Explosive shot
white lance
lions roar hype
strange python
vengefufl retreat, listen to yourself
sour trout
whats good about the shoulders? lol
terse hinge
Dude.. hunt is stupid easy. Look, I know Rogue and dh are easy but hunter is EASY
Like
restive latch
dude that has to be bait
wanton wagon
I only mained hunter in wod, that surv, was so easy lol
terse hinge
Kiting etc
restive latch
not you gonsh
terse hinge
You feel me?
solar zealot
ahhhh
wicked nymph
what u gusy think about the sharpened blades trait on assa now as next before it get nerved too??
solar zealot
surv in BC
terse hinge
Oh, ik @restive latch
surreal rivet
no shoulders thanks blizz
wanton wagon
I played priest rogue in 2s in tbc, fucking viper sting was the bane of my priests existence
white lance
scent of blood trait on shoulder
wanton wagon
I know ;*
lofty sand
hopefully it will be blissful peace in a couple of days Nerve
unique zenith
@unkempt phoenix it's better to observe from a distance and eat some 🍿
terse hinge
I mean I love playing hpal rogue in 2's due to their heals. Lol..
wanton wagon
HARP got me from 2k to glad rofl
solar zealot
talk about broke
terse hinge
Bc paladin has such good on demand single target that MMPH
solar zealot
there you go
frank shard
Is there anyway we can keep the content here for just assa rogue
solar zealot
sorry
surreal rivet
wait i just realized i have 370 sharpened blade shoulders
solar zealot
reminicsing
inland path
so what traits will sin use on tuesday?
solar zealot
BRUH
strange python
@hollow dawn i hope your spec gets nerfed to the bottom where you should always be like a monkey you are
solar zealot
the reset is tomorrow
surreal rivet
think x1 SB x1 SS x1 DITB will be good?
solar zealot
no one knows yet
wanton wagon
Nostalgia shut down 😦 But yeah sorry
unique zenith
so if outlaw channel post nerf, was anything to go by you'll have a shit show for 2 days, then 5 days of random players asking if the spec is dead
restive latch
id reroll havoc but im afraid my feeble brain cant handle using a movement skill in a rotation
hushed pulsar
@strange python does somebody need to spell this out further? he is a troll, stop shoving your dick down his throat
eager cobalt
Spicy nerfs announced
hushed pulsar
no...
winter niche
Hello
tired mason
F
strange python
@hollow dawn i just hate demon hunters 😒
hollow dawn
reason?
hushed pulsar
sharpened blades
strange python
@hollow dawn they shouldn't exist, bad design
wanton wagon
@surreal rivet Why one SB and one DITB?
dusky fulcrum
Alright who snitched to blizzard about SS? 
winter niche
How are we all doin today
lofty sand
@unique zenith before SS was fixed into being broke we would always get a smug sub or outlul player coming here and bragging about the insane damage they were doing on those sick Heroic runs and making fun of sin being a dead spec
inner pulsar
How does SoB go from being way down the list to suddenly being next best?
surreal rivet
@wanton wagon my 385 helm is DITB
hollow dawn
rogues were the most overpowered class in pvp and pve for like the past 10 years
solar zealot
Aethys mentioned Double Dose and SOB, but everyone should wait for new Sims tomorrow afternoon
hushed pulsar
@dusky fulcrum warcraft logs snitched
lofty sand
I miss those days now
unique zenith
and post nerf we had smug assa
surreal rivet
yeah 370 SB shoulders are behind 340 SS, it def needs a nerf
dusky fulcrum
Reeeee do i have to reroll again?!
dusky fulcrum
fakkin blissssard never lacky
wanton wagon
@surreal rivet Ah, well yeah, sounds good. Thought you were talking about theoretical traits
tired mason
a lazel made it to the water
winter niche
Jeez i thought affliction channel was bad
hollow dawn
i didnt
solar zealot
for high keys
hollow dawn
i dont go out
solar zealot
id imagine
half ginkgo
time to play my mage for my raid 😄
dusky fulcrum
i even used lazer fucking matrix and now its dead
restive latch
we can tell
surreal rivet
@wanton wagon yeah tomorrow im gonna be running x1 SS, x1 SB, x1 DITB
dusky fulcrum
all my traits are dead
unique zenith
@lofty sand if it makes you feel any better those smug outlaws prolly rerolled to assa and then get nerfed
inland path
x2 double dose + archive prob best after nerfs right?
solar zealot
probably, but those sims aren't updated yet @humble mantle
unique zenith
so they get double sad
surreal rivet
wait wtf the 370 shoulders are an upgrade anyways
what do sharpened blades stacks cap at?
restive latch
mines fine im GM 4Head
eager cobalt
Yeah I think the 40% is a big nerf considering how many people have shredded gear that had the other traits on it
lofty sand
Everyone gets fucked eventually, thats just how it goes @unique zenith , being fotm kind of person is a lot of work, always gearing a learning a new class/spec
surreal rivet
what do sharpened blade stacks cap at?
tranquil ermine
what are the chances they have updated the sims already
solar zealot
for m+
dusky fulcrum
40% nerf is huge for m+
chilly obsidian
how much does your azerite trait reroll cost?
eager cobalt
Yeah it will be the 3rd highest
solar zealot
or somethingl ike that
rigid sky
its not 40% nerf to garote only to bonus damage
prime void
mines at 2k
prime void
2000k
chilly obsidian
mines 20k xd
lofty sand
it depends on how many times you did it
chilly obsidian
not proud
unique zenith
yeah, no argument there, being fotm is hard. but crying when that month ends (or week in this case) instead of calmly adapting is the dumb thing
dusky fulcrum
fakkkkking blisssard
strange python
@unique zenith what kind of logic is this
solar zealot
nah
terse hinge
Mine is under 100 tf lol
strange python
nice game
surreal rivet
calm down ppl you wont lose a raid spot, if you're good you'll be fine
lofty sand
its just part of the process, people should be allowed their pity party.
surreal rivet
and its kind of hard to be bad at assa
restive latch
whats wrong with someone with someone wanting to play the best rogue spec for a fight if its better for there guild and they enjoy the variance tho?
prime void
pity party for playing fotm
chilly obsidian
idk man sometimes its hard to tab to 3 targets and garrote
rigid sky
but they are bad and just carried by spec
prime void
when you know its going to get nerfed
dusky fulcrum
@humble mantle or u know, we are progressing mythic and every dps cunt, do not just assume stuff
prime void
naw I dont think you deserve to throw a pity party lol
frank shard
Have to wait til the 25th to undelete all the Azerite pieces I scrape
dusky fulcrum
count *
prime void
progressing taloc ?
terse hinge
I enjoy helping my guild, you feel me? Whatever helps me do that I do.
lofty sand
There is nothing wrong with it @restive latch you do you man
if you enjoy always chasing that tail you do that
dusky fulcrum
Fetid devourer requires sub, zul sub, then you need sin for mythrax
unique zenith
yeah, if you can play multiple specs thats cool
wanton wagon
I'm never deleting any azerite, just throw them in the bank and wait for blizz to make something broken again
surreal rivet
fetid doesnt require sub
dusky fulcrum
^ same zodde
surreal rivet
it doesnt require anything
dusky fulcrum
lol
surreal rivet
im playing assa on fetid just fine
dusky fulcrum
ye riiiight
scenic nacelle
It's not out yet
unique zenith
but people are acting like the nerf murdered the spec
dusky fulcrum
show me ur mythic fetid sin logs
gaunt isle
sky is falling yet again, first outlaw now this
restive latch
I havent done mythic fetid yet but do you just not have enough time to get dots rolling on eggs?
surreal rivet
they arent very good xD @dusky fulcrum
fluid salmon
Btw u guys know u can use the blizz restoration site for scrapped gear right.
dusky fulcrum
Exactly
thin plinth
what nerf are you guys talking about
warm parcel
Since when waa sub required on fetid
unique zenith
afaik the only parses for mythic fetid are assa
wanton wagon
How much damage can we really lose from this? I think we're overreacting a bit boys
dusky fulcrum
if ur not sub on fetid/zul ur making ur raid suffer
gaunt isle
suffo is dead @thin plinth
frail widget
Kinda glad I can wear higher ilvl pieces now and don’t have to worry about getting more ss in my cache
surreal rivet
@warm parcel egg dmg
warm parcel
You realize gale exsang could easily stomp there
surreal rivet
could
warm parcel
Poatnerf maybe not so much
broken fiber
I guess people saw spookie from method paying sub on fetid so they though thats the meta
surreal rivet
is the key word
sand whale
shrugs some people are under the impression sin can't output enough dps as sub on fetid on adds
surreal rivet
not tomorrow
hollow dawn
sub just does more add dmg on fetid compared to assa, way more, u can go a specific build to do even more add dmg as well
it dpends on ur comp
rigid sky
what? can you restore scrapped gear?
lofty sand
Still can, it will not tomorrow
hollow dawn
if u alrdy have good add dmg u can go assa for more dmg
dusky fulcrum
Ye u can
unique zenith
the only parses on fetid are assa doe
gaunt isle
yepp @rigid sky
dusky fulcrum
blizzard only shows you last 500 items tho
surreal rivet
@unique zenith not true
warm parcel
Naa sub couldnt match assa using ven van on big add
surreal rivet
^
warm parcel
And assa also damaged boss meanwhile
unique zenith
ah
rigid sky
omega lel Can I doubled sanguincells that way?
warm parcel
Sure
dusky fulcrum
No
warm parcel
Not saying subs bad
surreal rivet
also, i think assa will be fine tomorrow we'll be equal with other specs
dusky fulcrum
u pay the mats yu got from scrap
warm parcel
Just that prenerf ss was really strong for big adds
rigid sky
ahh damn 😃
restive latch
I think assa will prolly be on par with sub for ST yeh
lofty sand
I hoarded so much gear in this last week, I got a bunch of double doses and scent with some uldir shit
restive latch
worse in m+ but still fine
hollow dawn
u know it also solely depends if ur tactic is around u dragging boss to big add or not
if u dont drag it
dusky fulcrum
Well on zul u cant deny 4 sub rogues is almost required lol
patent topaz
I played assa for gahoon hc yesterday, was op
prisma sail
lol, these convos.. rogues were incredibly strong, the nerf brought us down more on par, now people are talking about rerolling.
dusky fulcrum
warm parcel
You can dot boss before knock/ step tho
patent topaz
I got the fist meanwhile my daggers are 350 and 340, guess im still playing outlaw
frail widget
Why reroll rofl. It’s not like we’re shamans
kind roost
you can use a dagger in the OH on outlaw so do it
hollow dawn
u want to gather resources for add
restive latch
I dont wanna reroll, im loving rogue atm, but I dont haave much azerite gear as this was my 2nd 120 so I really only target farmed assa stuff
dusky fulcrum
@prisma sail rerolling specc/ traits, not class 🤦
surreal rivet
Assa will be fine, stop stressing run SB for ST and SS for cleave
warm parcel
Vanish garrx2 is max cp for the egg
warm parcel
And energy is easily pooled
surreal rivet
LOL
patent topaz
I almost fell asleep playing though
surreal rivet
sub doesnt require a brain
arctic isle
sub requiring a brain omegaLUL
patent topaz
pooling for 10 years
surreal rivet
it just requires u to not be gcd capped
unique zenith
there were quite a few people saying they were gonna unsub/reroll class
especially when it was freshly posted
dusky fulcrum
"Just run these sub-optimal traits" ye, cuz i got 380 azerite pieces to replace my 370 uldir pieces
restive latch
sub didnt feel any harder than assa to me honestly, none of the rogue specs felt super hard atm. Sub def feels harder in arena tho
hollow dawn
u dont have vanish for every single egg m8
surreal rivet
moment of truth will be opening the m+ cache tomorrow
arctic isle
imagine complaining about a trait nerf that now allows you to equip those 370 heroic pieces because one trait isnt op
dusky fulcrum
excuse me, it requires 240 IQ to pool energy, and YES i do have a symbol of death tattoo, its for devs eyes only! 
prisma sail
it was better when sub was the token pvp spec and outlaw didn't exist, combat was great
frail widget
Well u can definitely fuck up as sub. Assa is like playing the game on life support. If you compare them i
surreal rivet
@arctic isle i get to use the 370 sharpened blade shoulders sitting in my bags if thats what u mean
warm parcel
Or ap
forest forge
Open as sin secretly prey for a dagger to use as sub
unique zenith
I want my cache to give me a 380 crawg fist
wanton wagon
sub is more spammy, both require a bit of planning, neither is hard. I do enjoy sin more personally
sonic hedge
Imagine complaining about a trait nerf that was miles above anything else
unique zenith
wait shieeet lets rewind to last week outlaw @sonic hedge
restive latch
@surreal rivet im so fucking jelly, my daggers and shit and im spamming keys that drop anything PepeHands
forest forge
I has only 1
dusky fulcrum
reeeeee
frail widget
It’s a good thing. Everyone would be crying about getting unlucky in their caches in 2 weeks if it didn’t get nerfed
warm parcel
385 ss from week one cache btw
lofty sand
I think some people were new to sin and thought the SS gameplay was the normal
hollow dawn
thats why u pop meta on pull
forest forge
We didn't see 40
warm parcel
hollow dawn
cause its a 4 min cd
restive latch
I saw it coming but it doesnt make it hurt less 😦
delicate gull
Personally I saw it coming but not 40
dusky fulcrum
@unique zenith 40% nerf was expected? LUL
frail widget
The solution was to let azurite gear drop from mythic plus but whatever
proven ice
After what happened to SUB yeah I was expecting them to make it non viable.
dusky fulcrum
"Stupid entitled kids u shouldve expected a HUGE NERF" 
restive latch
@frail widget I think nobody would be heroic raiding after a couple weeks then. Kind of a dumb system overall to get azerite gear how we get it now tho
lofty sand
I've been hoarding pieces of azerite since the day someone posted a log with like 30% of their damage being garrote
delicate gull
So long as sims are close to sub, I’ll be playing sin as it’s impossible for me to play sub optimally and raid lead
wanton wagon
I thought 20, but honestly it's still pretty good with 40% nerf in m+
hollow dawn
is sub not viable 
final citrus
50% nerf you mean
forest forge
20-30
unique zenith
the "huge nerf" is bringing it in line with the rest of your traits
final citrus
went from 80% to 40%
frail widget
@restive latch you’re not wrong
wary anchor
I just hope sin can still keep up, I found sub really boring
wanton wagon
80 to 40 what?
surreal rivet
@dusky fulcrum i farmed the shit out of my daggers lol
dusky fulcrum
@unique zenith my 370 uldir gear only have lazer matrix and SS, so now im back to 340 pieces, so please stfu you have no idea what u are talking about
patent leaf
Sub boring compared to sin? Wtf is wrong with you
frail widget
Sin is still sick in mythic plus. Iron wire is great LUL
surreal rivet
actually one was given to me, there was a 374 rogue in one of my +11 grps
prime void
or sac up and move on
delicate gull
I’m just said my sim DPS won’t be 15k anymore
prime void
Your complaining changes nothing lul
terse hinge
I'd rather lose a CC ability than hit for 0 damage. LOL.
unkempt phoenix
imagine thinking you can't play the spec anymore because a broken trait got nerfed
unique zenith
@dusky fulcrum nice, so instead of discussing it you get mad lol
lofty sand
wish scent for blood was stronger so our main skill and supposedly our staple ability was the actual focus of the spec
hollow dawn
nerve
unique zenith
nice argument
hollow dawn
i love you