scent of blood for dungeons is my guess
#assassination
white lance
ancient sonnet
scent only good if stuff lives for a while
stuck shuttle
hasty sonnet
Brb crying
ancient sonnet
mhm
frank shard
welcome to the party.
white lance
(Beast Mastery) Feeding Frenzy: Damage increased by 400%
elfin quartz
brb rolling to another spec that hasnt been nerfed.......o wait monkaS
white lance
thats some nice tuning blizzard, well done
ancient compass
Did they nerf affliction at all?
cloud spindle
🤔 what spec do we play now lol
torpid jackal
whatever spec you want
hasty sonnet
Sharpened blades
civic palm
#off-topic >_> please
ancient compass
Wait bm got another buff?!
stuck shuttle
wtf is this
prisma pond
we knew it was coming
stuck shuttle
how bad is 40% ya'll
torpid jackal
aff locks nerfed
stuck shuttle
lol
torpid jackal
Sudden Onset by 30%
dawn dragon
Rogues do damage ,nerf em! But that's the only thing we can do ? :/
flint swift
Honestly I’m glad they’re nerfing the go-to traits.
prisma pond
and even at 40% its probably still strong, just not PICK THIS OR ELSE good
lament bramble
lol yeah rogues only do dmg
gusty parcel
Even with 40% it should be best in M+ still?
lament bramble
...
lusty narwhal
Sheesh i was running 1x laser and 2x shrouded
flint swift
Azerite should be a bonus not something to spec around
lusty narwhal
Great
urban storm
lol they even nerfed thunderous blast and laser matrix
torpid jackal
yes, but in line with the rest means all traits are now shit
lament bramble
which is fitting because whole system is shit
lusty narwhal
Lul
red fiber
Oh my goodness.
cloud spindle
yea what do you do in keys now as ass tho? just 0 dmg
urban storm
...
lusty narwhal
Um
vocal dock
i dunno about that, i was already doing wayyy more then even hunters and mages in M+ with only 2 SS
lusty narwhal
No?
white lance
might burst 10k on 3 target opener now, HYPE
cloud spindle
rogues are still great for utility in M+ but I guess we'll be last dmg, it was kinda like that in legion though and it was fine
wheat zealot
Ded spec
lusty narwhal
Sin was always good in m+ lol
chrome umbra
night cypress
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
vocal dock
last dmg? lul do you even play assas
balmy condor
rip ss
cloud spindle
I mean if ss is bad the aoe is affected a lot
gusty plinth
we are so fucked
tranquil dust
every rogue spec is ass
round harbor
THE SKY IS FALLING QUICK LETS ALL GO HUNTER
steel jetty
every. single. rogue. spec. nerfed
tranquil dust
back to frost mage
steel jetty
fuck you blizz
median mason
Every rogue spec? Lmao
grim wolf
how much of a nerf is that SS gonna be anyway like 5-10% overall dmg?
cloud spindle
SHARPENED BLADES TIME BOYS
night cypress
sub outlaw got nerfed last round guys
spice surge
40% is not even a big nerf
white lance
deadshot, bits, now ss
stone quartz
round harbor
every rogue spoec needed to get nerfed. if you dont think it did you are delusional
steel jetty
40% not a big nerf, not sure if 4Head or troll
stuck shuttle
40% lol
onyx falcon
why are they nerfing it when it is still bugged
stone quartz
i wonder if it will be worse than matrix now
verbal pebble
onyx falcon
how about you fix it then nerf it
shrewd bane
that nerf
onyx falcon
reeeeee
shrewd bane
is insane
prisma pond
they nerfed matrix too
sleek iron
It’s not 40% of all garrote dmg, it’s 40% of the ss dmg increase
lusty narwhal
Why is everyone freaking out holy shit lmfao, we had one broken trait per spec.
shrewd bane
now rogue will be behind every other classes
opal mason
they nerfing it by 40% or or down to 40%
lusty narwhal
Idk why matrix got a nerf
shrewd bane
niceee
stone quartz
steel jetty
one good trait***
spice surge
I expected closer to 60%
brazen garden
they really want us to play sharpened blades
plush summit
welp boys, it was fun while it lasted
sleek iron
Time to go sub
prisma pond
lol
lusty narwhal
@shrewd bane good joke idiot, not even close
inner pulsar
Haha
lament bramble
same
cloud spindle
@round harbor 
lusty narwhal
Lol at everyone saying we’ll be the worst class
shrewd bane
sub rogues go away
inner pulsar
YOUR TEARS ARE SO YUMMY
cloud spindle
it's just sharpened blades time now boys
lusty narwhal
Youre clueless
torpid jackal
fotm regret
lament bramble
sub is vomit
nimble tartan
SUB WINS AGAIN
cloud spindle
lets throw those mofuckin daggers son
nimble tartan
LETS GOOOO
quaint echo
fuck sub
autumn bloom
shrouded got nerffed
stone quartz
!sims
prisma monolithBOT
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versed finch
i'd like to start playing some arena pvp, but haven't really dabbled in it much. is there a discord where i could find groups?
white lance
🇺🇸 first to the moon 🇺🇸 first to stomp the shit out of rogues 🇺🇸
prime void
you can
atomic jay
we could be windwalker monks and relaly feel the pain
sharp pawn
is master poisoner better or elaborate planning
limpid willow
Rogue
(Assassination) Shrouded Suffocation: Damage bonus reduced by 40%
ASSASSINS ON SUICIDE WATCH
safe matrix
!warn @round harbor trying to get around the word filter with "auti$sm"
versed finch
seems like people are looking for those with higher cr rating, and i'm pretty brand new
nimble tartan
sin dead
strange python
that's it boys, let me taste your tears
vague patrol
rogues won't be worst lol, just not top dps either
noble dove
shrouded suffocation was so fun in M+, tasty for single target and trash packs
felt so good
stuck shuttle
im quitting @prime void
autumn bloom
lmfao anyone who is surprised by this nerf is silly
unreal coyote
havoc untouched
stone quartz
bruv if u nerf the top by 40% its still top
prime void
Quitting the bench or ?
prime void
We need locks...
stuck shuttle
im going lock
static tide
What is this triage rogue I keep hearing about? Can anyone provide details?
cloud spindle
blast and matrix are both nerfed too though?
strange python
last week got 385 deadshot helm with deadshot nerf now this week going to get 385 SS helm
ancient compass
Lock just got the ax too
inner pulsar
Triage Rogue is new rogue spec
stone fable
between archive of titan and Shrouded?
prime void
can we sub together omr ?
nimble tartan
now u can play it my friends 😃
sweet flame
SKY IS FALLING
white lance
oh yeah frost dk got buffed
stone quartz
stone quartz
ss still best trait most likely
inner pulsar
They are replacing Garrote with Tournqite
high goblet
this is getting silly
unkempt gulch
spice surge
Why not
inner pulsar
Wut?
azure drift
i mean sin is still gonna be good lel
ancient compass
Yeah they need to stabilize this so I can figure out how to fucking gear
prime void
Every tier has tuning patches lol
white lance
tuning passes should be fine tuning, not 20-400% changes to things
high goblet
I understand tuning
prime void
Like I don't get why people are so surprised
arctic isle
bro u cant farm ap gear who gives a flying fuck what they tune
sweet flame
who's ready for sub to get nerfed next week so we're all back to outlaw
crystal lark
ROGUE IS DEAD
vague patrol
sub is already nerfed...
lusty narwhal
How about hot fix the game and remove azerite gear - problem fucking solved
static tide
Is everyone going to still run ss across their gear or switch to a different trait?
urban storm
this doesnt even make sin bad
vague patrol
lol
median mason
We all in here cuz of the nerf
civic palm
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
final dust
idk why ppl are freaking out so much. If you were smart you would have kept all your azerite gear
sweet flame
@crystal lark hi friend
steel jetty
Blizzard: NEVER D/E OR SCRAP OR SELL ANY AZERITE EVER BECAUSE YOUR SHIT IS GETTING NERFED
opal mason
tbh bet u SS is still strong af
lusty narwhal
You cant stack traits with raid gear anyway
strange python
rip sin lmao
inner pulsar
This is so....funny
vague patrol
@final dust what does this have to do with keeping azerite gear lol, they didnt buff any other traits for rogue. it's a flat dps loss
paper bough
How happy should I be with 370 construct overcharger from weekly cache
arctic isle
FFS I SPENT 5 SECONDS OPENING MY CACHE AND NOW THEY NERFED SS
paper bough
???
spice surge
BOIS ITS TIME FOR FOK
white lance
i have 1 free bag slot on all my chars because azerite gear changes every fucking week, "less clutter" ye right my ass
sweet flame
implying raid gear is worth using outside of a single trait for array anyways lol
sleek iron
All the gems I changed from crit to haste I have to spend again
steel jetty
0 Rogues in M Ghuun, 0 rogues on M Mythrax BTW
sleek iron
All the gems I changed from crit to haste I have to spend again
stuck shuttle
all these sub rogues in here just to talk shit
spice surge
Fan of knives traits
sleek iron
All the gems I changed from crit to haste I have to spend again
spice surge
lets gooo
magic zenith
Well the dream is dead boys
ebon bramble
lol what
sinful flint
Bye assa, back to sub
sage sigil
so what is happening to assasin
onyx falcon
when are they going to unbug SS tho
sinful flint
wicked abyss
Well it's been fun
austere spade
onyx falcon
2 nerfs still bugged
wicked abyss
back to Sub then?
dusk quartz
I honestly prefer assasin still, it just feels way more fluid of a spec.
lusty narwhal
Raid gear at 370 ilvl is worth more than 340 bis trait so gtfo whoever said that lol
sleek iron
Back to sub
sinful flint
I have a 370 SS chest, rip me
white lance
archive it is
magic zenith
Why nerf laser matrix too?
lusty narwhal
Its still good, jesus christ
ebon bramble
40% that big?
stuck shuttle
tfw u have 2xSS 1xLaser Matrix
lusty narwhal
You people
spice surge
Yeah fucking rip you, you'll lose like 100sim dps
autumn pagoda
SS is still good
spice surge
You're dead now
steel jetty
"Is 40% big?" 4Head
sinful flint
@ebon bramble it makes assa strictly weaker than the other specs
lusty narwhal
OmehaLUL
spice surge
It doesnt
round harbor
not I NEED TO FARM THE ONE PIECE OF GEAR TAHT HAS THIS ONE OP TRAIT ON IT BUTY ONLY DROPS FROM ONE M0
spice surge
You fucking guys
ebon bramble
@sinful flint really? how so?
prime void
You guys most liekly aren't even in t100 prog gears
ebon bramble
how much of a dps loss is it?
prime void
don't worry, the nerf wont affect you much
somber egret
Jesus this channel lol came to say don’t panic. Tooo laaaate
prime void
🙅
arctic isle
u cant farm ap gear whats the problem
sinful flint
at least in my sims, SS was the only trait that was even close to sub dmg
arctic isle
u didnt spend 10 uyears farming a dungeon to get a nerfed trait
round harbor
there were buffes to baseline?> archive of titan dmg
sleek iron
Buff uldir raid trinkets instead plz
unreal coyote
^
dusk quartz
The great thing is i wont even feel this change as my rogue is still only 112
paper bough
Is construct overcharger a shit trinket?
sleek iron
Yes
merry elbow
why would they fix dead trait now
whole crater
!ss
prime void
Indie Devs @stuck shuttle
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
nimble tartan
WE SUB NOW BABY
stuck shuttle
Small indie company
stuck shuttle
@prime void
nimble tartan
LETS GOOOO
prime void
@nimble tartan when come back to tich ?
undone cairn
rip
round harbor
itll feel nice getting a higher piece of azerite and not being sad that it doesnt have SS
sullen pagoda
this too funny
unborn knot
yeet
drifting cloud
holy shit people going crazy
round harbor
not forced into 340 gear
nimble tartan
selling sub tips pm me
wicked crest
rip assa rerollers 
sleek iron
Sub time
civic palm
Get oouuuuutttt
sullen pagoda
say bye to the 30apm spec 
prisma pond
woo all the fotm rollers will leave
azure drift
so is it really that big of a nerf and sin is bad now ?
civic palm
No.
hushed sphinx
PANIC
azure drift
so this is just memes then
somber egret
Thank fox for sharpened blades
azure drift
got it
round harbor
memes and overexagerations
real socket
im so fuckin pissed over this
mellow pier
some of these changes
civic palm
No.
mellow pier
laser matrix change is dumb
civic hatch
I just started playing sin since the sub nerfs, stop needing us blizzzzz
unborn knot
REEEEEEEEE
mellow pier
it affects so many people
chilly obsidian
Tbh it was pretty op for dungeons the damage was real high. Literally anyone could do it lol
round harbor
laser matrix was broken, what dop you mean
civic palm
Changes effect people, shocker.
round harbor
?
storm eagle
Why are people freaking out? lol
oblique raven
Lol @civic palm
mellow pier
????
stark ridge
laser matrix did too much dmg and healing imo
junior pond
ss provided a skill intensive playstyle for rogues :)
mellow pier
RAID gear > DUNGEON gear
safe matrix
not when m+ is a thing
sinful flint
both thunderous blast and laser matrix were outperforming class specific traits
sudden brook
laser matrix is still going to be very good lol
mellow pier
in the world that they said
stuck shuttle
@mellow pier but they nerfed Laser Matrix?
safe matrix
high level m+ is arguably more skillful than raiding
sinful flint
that shouldn't happen tbh
white lance
ss still requires high amounts of skill to use 😃
round harbor
because u think it sdhould be or????
hushed sphinx
azerite is so interesting i love blizzard entertainment
sudden brook
laser matrix still gives archive of the titans for raids
its still gonna require at least 1 in a raid setting
round harbor
m+15 is way harder
round harbor
way more personal respoibility
proven current
so sub back on top?
mellow pier
M+ is not harder? LOL
round harbor
ur wrong
mighty summit
M+ is definitely harder
trail otter
DOUBLE DOSE TIME?
round harbor
have you done a 15?
trail otter
im ready for mutilate to hit like a truck
round harbor
or do you farm 4s
wicked abyss
Time to nerf but no time to fix the Garrote bug...GG
hasty sonnet
havent wanted to
uneven widget
@mellow pier tell me your raider io score
hasty sonnet
OMEGALUL
somber egret
Give poison bomb trait
round harbor
implying farming is the same as pushing
round harbor
big yikes
trail otter
So 1 ss 2 double dose? is this the play now bois?
latent wind
so is Assassination done?
sudden brook
they might have, just not reported about it
merry elbow
why
round harbor
just fix every bug in the game while their at it 4head
sudden brook
guess we'll find out on reset
merry elbow
its useless trait
arctic isle
why fix a bug for a spec nobody plays anymore 4head
noble dove
it's annoying farming for traits and having them nerfed the next week
obsidian edge
(Assassination) Shrouded Suffocation: Damage bonus reduced by 40% thats a RIP 😂
reef frigate
i think im back to outlaw in m+
civic palm
Can't farm for them so I duno what you are talking about.
livid kestrel
Yo, is the trait dead in M+ ? It did so much dmg i feel like even with -40% it's still good if u can stack it on 3 ppl
long marlin
Double Dose dog
round harbor
^
hasty sonnet
At this point we just wait for sims.
round harbor
say it louder
somber egret
1ss 2 double dose sounds good to me
muted jacinth
my tooltip to garrote is 12,764 damage over 18s.
ss tooltip is 511 damage per trait. how would that push us to do no damage lol?
primal lance
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
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trail otter
spent first month of BFA hard farming a trait that's impossible to get a good ilvl on
hasty sonnet
almost half.
steel spire
nerf means nothing for m+ still the best right?
round harbor
nutty how can u farm it
jolly notch
so after the shrouded suffocation nerf, is it still the best?
round harbor
its on like 1 helmet
somber egret
Still best for m+ for sure
round harbor
run 1 mythic 0?>
arctic isle
how do u hard farm a weekly lockout
round harbor
it only drops off one boss
mellow pier
u cant farm raid azerite
simple ocean
What a hot mess
ornate herald
arctic isle
doing something 3 times is now hard farming?
unborn knot
3x m0 is too hard farming cmon rainbow
trail otter
you farm Fetid every difficulty and reroll everytime
merry elbow
i didnt say that its hard
trail otter
and then farm ur mythic0s
stark ridge
tbf you're probably already replacing SS pieces for raid gear anyhow
trail otter
every day
reef frigate
and they buff BM hunter, lol
round harbor
exactly
frank sentinel
would be less salty if they actually thought about the system and made other traits viable
trail otter
every week
somber egret
Still better than sub
chilly obsidian
I feel like I might use my 370 shoulders now instead of a 340 with ss.... just ad blizzard intended
zealous lily
nah they had some guy who plays wow with a tablet make traits that he thought would sound cool
round harbor
do yall even read
this is just a first pass, focused on bringing some of the biggest outliers up (or down) to more acceptable levels.
civic palm
Someone call me when the screeching is gone.
zealous lily
then a couple days before release they made some massive adjustments
round harbor
this is just a first pass, focused on bringing some of the biggest outliers up (or down) to more acceptable levels.
this is just a first pass, focused on bringing some of the biggest outliers up (or down) to more acceptable levels.
frank sentinel
first pass on live servers
zealous lily
then for the next 90 days they will keep making panic massive adjustments
round harbor
this is just a first pass, focused on bringing some of the biggest outliers up (or down) to more acceptable levels.
round harbor
FIRST PASS
sudden brook
i mean, SS was absurdly overtuned especially in M+ why is everybody acting like the sky is falling lol
unreal coyote
the issue is
nimble tartan
EXSANG DEAD
unreal coyote
it props up the entire spec
nimble tartan
WE SUB NOW
zealous lily
until then just keep 100 azerite pieces in your bags cause who knows what the traits will mean
chilly obsidian
Inb4 most sin players only know how to press garrote xd
somber egret
Love to hug all the people that scrapped their old azerite gear lol
arctic isle
dead spec OMEGALUL
unreal coyote
the trait held the spec up
sinful flint
If they want to bring them to more acceptable levels, then maybe they shouldn't nerf them by 40%, but more like 20
trail otter
Guys
tawny shell
sub bois now
lusty narwhal
@nimble tartan can you fuck up already lmao
sudden brook
it needed a 40% nerf tho
trail otter
go google
frank sentinel
anyone have a good legion private server?
sudden brook
u seen what garrote is doing in M+
sinful flint
M+ isn't the only game mode
trail otter
thx
arctic isle
HEY GUYS THIS IS BAD DESIGN I CANT USE MY 370 GEAR CAUSE SHROUDED SUFFICATION IS WAY TOO GOOD. WOW WHY DID THEY NERF SHROUDED SUFFICATION FUCK U BLIZZARD
sudden brook
it was insane on ST and M+
azure drift
so is it sub or sin or are they close still because i was leveling my rogue
hushed sphinx
name one time blizzard has overnerfed anything I dare u I bet u cant name even one
inner pulsar
Can you cloak off Plasma DIscharge on Mythic Taloc?
nimble tartan
S U B
chilly obsidian
Sub dead spec
autumn pagoda
now all of the fotm plebs can leave pog
trail otter
Implying nerfing SS is gonna change me needing a 340 piece over a 370
inner pulsar
Without it dropping a pool?
trail otter
when I have all traits on my 340 but not on my 370
lusty narwhal
370 was better than 340 anyway in most cases
arctic isle
wow ur fucking garbage if u dont have first trait in ur 370
chilly obsidian
340 was better than 370 from world boss for me
nimble tartan
GOODBYE SIN
mellow pier
when they want our fucking random ranged attack to be used in our rotation cause reasons 🤔
strange python
CRY MORE
nimble tartan
WE SHARP NOW
simple meteor
it was good while it lasted goodbye sin
vagrant tapir
sinful flint
I feel like with the SS nerf sub will outperform them again in M+.
merry elbow
YEP FUCK SIN, DEAD SPEC
strange python
EVERYBODY PANIC
torpid jackal
dont throw away ANY of your 340s
simple meteor
FUCK SIN DEAD SPEC
stuck shuttle
this channel is aids right now
sudden brook
i mean all the specs are still good in M+ rofl
torpid jackal
they gon rebuff something at some point
sudden brook
outlaw is cleave, sub is ST/cleave thing, and sin still has slows
mellow pier
LOL
hybrid harness
based on napkin math im thinking laser matrix is still better than archive. Anyone disagree?
mellow pier
good one
sudden brook
they all have a niche
mellow pier
buff rogue?
strange python
could be worse, could be WW monks
stuck shuttle
all these sub rogues.
mellow pier
theyve been nerfed every patch of this xpac
simple meteor
outlaw is cleave, sub is ST/cleave thing, and sin still has slows
mellow pier
GOOD ONE!!!
arctic isle
you realize you can buff traits without actually buffing rogue buddy
stuck shuttle
letting out pent up anger from their nerfs
merry elbow
ALL THE SPECS ARE FINE EXCEPT SIN
sinful flint
@hybrid harness probably
merry elbow
DEAD SPEC
sudden brook
yeah rogues been nerfed every patch and is still absurdly strong
fiery bear
I came to see the reaction... I must say what Taliesan says.. It's a shit show here... 😂 😂
sudden brook
like what
drowsy summit
SS will still be strong
civic forge
i thought i was safe from the hurricane, but it decided to hit the SS trait
vocal dock
people are wayyyy over reacting - i was blowing people away in M+ with only 2 ss traits, we will still be huge dps
torpid jackal
go reroll bm hunters, they got buffed
nimble tartan
ss DEAD
torpid jackal
fotm crybabies
merry elbow
no they didnt
steel spire
ss nerf means nothing omega
arctic isle
buffing a shit trait =/= a dps buff
sudden brook
ROGUES BEEN NERFED EVERY PATCH BLIZZARD HATTES ROGUES
merry elbow
did you even see bm hunter trait?
arctic isle
trying using ur brain
sudden brook
FACTS
merry elbow
it was DOGSHIT
white lance
Guys....guys....GUYS, calm down. We are still in beta, you have to expect balance changes like this when they are still developing the game. They have no idea how traits are going to work on live yet, so they have to push them up and down by extreme amounts to see where they will fit in finished product. I for one welcome such intensive beta testing, I feel like BFA will release really polished final product.
unreal coyote
the trait will still be the best trait
stone pilot
i mean im just mad they can nerf ss but they cant fix the bug
trail otter
Bro anyone that thinks we are in beta is fucking dumb
sudden brook
ok thats an issue
trail otter
we're hard stuck in alpha
sudden brook
like what it should be changed
dry trail
this is actually an assa buff because you only have one SS trait from raids, now you wont need more
white lance
haha knew you'd be here 😄
strange python
ahhaha
simple meteor
outlaw is cleave, sub is ST/cleave thing, and sin still has slows
unreal coyote
@white lance
white lance
good one!
unreal coyote
me?
stark ridge
BFA is the most successful early access mmo, change my mind
unreal coyote
i do not disagree the trait needed balance
sinful flint
Outlaw cleave has limited duration
arctic isle
this is actually a buff because now u can swap specs and use more than 0.1% of ur brain
white lance
yoyo
sudden canyon
unreal coyote
but the spec needed some love to compensate
sudden brook
well yeah if sin is in the gutter, they wil probably nerf it
sudden brook
id rather they nerf it, wait awhile then buff it than try and compensate RIGHT away otherwise it might just be even better than before it was nerfed
either way sins still gonna be good
tidal gorge
lol. I've been calling this nerf for like 3 weeks in my guild. #nailedit
strange python
THE LINE IS BIGGER
sudden brook
all the rogue specs fill a niche and will be brought lol
white lance
frost dks are gonna rek me in dungeons now
arctic isle
everyone called this nerf bro
fallen sage
Guys....guys....GUYS, calm down. We are still in beta, you have to expect balance changes like this when they are still developing the game. They have no idea how traits are going to work on live yet, so they have to push them up and down by extreme amounts to see where they will fit in finished product. I for one welcome such intensive beta testing, I feel like BFA will release really polished final product.
real socket
Guys....guys....GUYS, calm down. We are still in beta, you have to expect balance changes like this when they are still developing the game. They have no idea how traits are going to work on live yet, so they have to push them up and down by extreme amounts to see where they will fit in finished product. I for one welcome such intensive beta testing, I feel like BFA will release really polished final product.
thistbh
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inner pulsar
Everyone knew this buff was coming, that's like "calling" the sun coming up
sinful flint
@sudden brook what niche does assa bring that frost mage doesn't?
white lance
another one!
fading hearth
Lol hope you guys enjoyed farming for weeks for three specific traits
strange python
if you didnt think this was coming you are delusional
unreal coyote
^
sudden brook
@sinful flint not every comp wants/has access to a frost mage
slow scroll
but 40% ffs
prisma pond
will the nerfs make into sims tonight?
atomic jay
demon hunter not nerfed, RIP RIP
strange python
'farming for weeks' had them all in the first 3 days 😄
chilly obsidian
I enjoyed looking into my bags and having the traits after finding out they were the fotm go to
long marlin
Ss was broken it was obv
sinful flint
@sudden brook same applies to assa rogue
unreal coyote
i knew it was coming but the issue is all 3 rogue specs have been nerfed
since release
wheres the havoc changes?
like
wwat
sudden brook
why would havoc get nerfed?
strange python
velvet kernel
so um back to sub?
chilly obsidian
Anyone complaining about this nerf is delusional. This was mad op
sudden brook
^^
fallen sage
IM STILL STUCK OUTLAW FEELS SHITTY DONT IT NERDS
unreal coyote
i refuse
sinful flint
We're not complaining about A nerf, but the STRENGTH of the nerf
marble hemlock
if youre upset about something, dont be upset about the nerf, be upset about the lack of buffs
trail otter
I'm upset that the Azerite system blows cock
unreal coyote
and they never will
trail otter
idgaf about the nerf
sinful flint
They buffed the weakest BM trait
long marlin
Time to bring back my 350 outlaw weapons after gettin 370 dagger 
sinful flint
by 400%
nimble tartan
im glad i dont have to play sin anymore exsang was 2 hard for me to play 😃
strange python
wtb azerite pieces in m+
nimble tartan
back to sub 😃
chilly obsidian
BM still a braindead spec
fading hearth
Why can’t rogues just be solid near top dps. It’s a pure melee dps, all we have is dps and since the raid is already not in favor of melee our numbers being Lowered just sucks across all three specs
sudden brook
ROGUES ARE A GOOD DPS
hazy sphinx
40% though
sudden brook
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT
marble hemlock
ss needed to be nerfed so our aoe, which is supposed to be sustained aoe, wasnt as front-loaded as it is with SS. the problem is that there is no sustained aoe except in dungeons, and scent isnt strong enough right now to enable us to keep up
hazy sphinx
Jesus
sinful flint
make 40% an emote maybe
fickle vigil
Yeah exactly, havoc was already performing on par with rogue and it's totally untouched
sudden brook
in what content
chilly obsidian
Havoc was not tbh
trail otter
I'd play the fuck outta DH if DH was more complicated
long marlin
U all act like rogues gonna be the new ww monk lmao
chilly obsidian
Go look at warcraft log numbers
unreal coyote
name another dps nerfed as much/?
hybrid harness
ok team, who's got a sharpened blades wa they like
mellow pier
havoc has 0 downside to play
unreal coyote
i will wait
sudden brook
why does everybody hate DHs now, last week it was arms warrior
ancient sonnet
40% nerf still gonna be best trait i bet
sudden brook
wahts the dela
chilly obsidian
Maybe dh on par at your low key low percentile
velvet kernel
@ancient sonnet if you can do simple math you know thats wrong
sudden brook
r u seriously saying DHs are better than rogues
glass vessel
DH falls off after a fight lasts more than 10s lol
strange python
Tidal Surge new BIS!
glass vessel
they are all burst aoe
sudden brook
i cannot take u seriously if u think DHs > rogue
mellow pier
LOL
chilly obsidian
Eyebeam op reeeee they had bigger burst than me
fallen sage
@strange python give it a week
glass vessel
@mellow pier if you lsot to a DH in an aoe scenario lasting more than 10 seconds you're bad
sudden ravine
sinful flint
DH don't bring anywhere near as much utility the rogue does
fallen sage
Guys....guys....GUYS, calm down. We are still in beta, you have to expect balance changes like this when they are still developing the game. They have no idea how traits are going to work on live yet, so they have to push them up and down by extreme amounts to see where they will fit in finished product. I for one welcome such intensive beta testing, I feel like BFA will release really polished final product.
chilly obsidian
Tao boys
glass vessel
cloak
gusty plinth
brainless
mellow pier
what does cloak do
chilly obsidian
Stun shroud cloak soak
mellow pier
for the raid
long marlin
Are u on drugs
sudden brook
velvet kernel
DH brings a dps buff wtf?
fickle vigil
Watching methods DH out dps their rogues every fight and you're saying they aren't on par....Oooook
white lance
vampiric speed the new best trait
chilly obsidian
Feint is best soaking ability in game
sudden brook
"Man dhs is so oppressive, why arent they being nerfed"
hybrid harness
shroud and lockpick +tricks on skittish week
mellow pier
dh has a dps buff for ur warlocks
supple hearth
@fallen sage don't spam
strange python
dh has demonic brand orsmth
glass vessel
shroud and tricks are fucking amazing for m+
sudden brook
LMFAO
mellow pier
i dont consider m+ engaging content
sudden brook
ok then what content
sudden brook
is a good metric
fallen sage
HANDS UP DON'T SHOOT
sudden brook
for balance
mellow pier
raids
sudden brook
ok
ripe yew
Guys is sin still viable?
mellow pier
is only thing game should be balanced around
fickle vigil
Yeah because m+ is the entire game right
sinful flint
@ripe yew viable yes, broken no
sudden brook
i mean havoc is like, 1 point higher than outlaw
quasi flower
@sinful flint vs other specs now though?
mellow pier
M+ is for mouthbreathers who want free gear
long marlin
Lmao nurux u got me there
sinful flint
@quasi flower depends on what your team needs
rapid mirage
I was expecting a nerf to SS, but i expected a buff to rupture and our poisons
sudden brook
bro ur a good troll i give u that
ripe yew
Why DH never get nerfed yet?
strange python
wont see a lot of change in raid DPS, but m+ aoe you will see a bit
sudden brook
u cannot actually unironically think DHs are better than rogues
strange python
because dh isnt broken
mellow pier
if it didnt drop over the top rewards for effort, it would not have been popular
sinful flint
@ripe yew because they need to focus on mobility 
wild gyro
🍿
supple hearth
Fair warning mods are watching the chat with the high volume tonight. I recommend rereading the #rules-and-guides so you can enjoy the excitement without having to be removed
ripe yew
fallen sage
HANDS UP DON'T SHOOT
merry elbow
YEP
sudden brook
rogue is strong as shit
merry elbow
BACK TO SUB
ancient sonnet
theres no way people thought SS would stay in its current state tho
fickle vigil
I mean they only nerfed deadshot 20 percent and that was broken AF
ancient sonnet
i was just expecting some st buffs to alleviate the void left by the SS nerf is all
prime stirrup
SS nerf is a lot harder
mellow pier
40%
prime stirrup
it takes a ton of dmg from us
mellow pier
is over the top
sinful flint
Everyone expected a SS nerf, and a BitS nerf, and a deadshot nerf
mellow pier
20% would have been fine
long marlin
@ancient sonnet bruh scroll up ppl actually are
sinful flint
Deadshot did get nerfed, so did SS
fickle vigil
20 percent to ss would have been acceptable
velvet kernel
why isnt bm getting nerfs
shell forum
Rogues are already wearing leather. the nerfs just add to the leather gimp class fantasy
strange python
tbh im just glad we dont have legendaries and artifact weapons, so I can just swap back to sub and get on with the game
quasi flower
have sims been updated with azerite changes?
mellow pier
but ONTOP of those nerfs, we have a laser matrix nerf
ancient sonnet
the SS nerf was necessary for dungeons, it was way too good
tawdry thicket
I mean when ass didn't get nerfed but sub and outlaw did you HAD to know a nerf was coming at some point....
sudden brook
EVERYBODY USES LASER MATRIX
torn swallow
sin getting NERFED
mellow pier
yes
sudden brook
wtf does that have to do with rogues
mellow pier
we have like 3 decent traits
wild gyro
Hahahaha wtf
steel spire
40% is a slap on the wrist lul
ancient sonnet
im surprised at them nerfing or buffing anything atm with progress happening though
seems insane
mellow pier
i mean yea
glass vessel
reeee my completely busted azerite trait got nerfed REEEEE
spice frost
@supple hearth we have an estimate for when herodamage will be updated?
mellow pier
the warlock nerf is gonna make fetid harder too
opal meadow
reeee i just finished getting 3 SS and they nerf it reeeeeeeeeeee
fallen sage
Revert Deadshot and add it to SS nerf pls blizz
sinful flint
They should make a trait strong for aoe, rather than everyone using single target traits for multitarget because its bonkers
spice frost
not surprised by ss nerf, upset theres not a buff to our sustain to compensate
ancient sonnet
or they'd be gigabenched
sinful flint
@mellow pier I do not disagree
strange python
remember when they nerfed outlaw traits to the ground in EN during prog? they like to fuck with stuff during prog
sinful flint
but thats why everyone uses SS
shell forum
"Let's nerf their best, second best and third best azerite trait. INTO THE GROUND BAYBEEEH!" - Blizzard, probably
uneven widget
@ancient sonnet they saw that the only spec viable is boomkin and aflli so they nerfed other specs
sudden brook
SS is probably gonna be really good in M+
torn swallow
looks like yall goin double dose stacks
ancient sonnet
scent of blood gonna come in strong for fort weeks tho
snow seal
Why the fuck are we getting 40% on garrote and 30% on laser matrix? jesus
long marlin
Method gonna kill ghuun tmrw
sudden brook
it was stupid
uneven widget
on progress for world 1st ofc
sinful flint
@shell forum TB was the best trait for at least half the classes
hasty sonnet
So have we come to a conclusion yet?
fallen sage
First to the moon and first to g'huun
long marlin
Ye
sudden brook
yeah, rogues still good thats what the conclusion is
supple hearth
@spice frost likely before the nerfs are live I'm sure the TC's will be working on it asap
serene hinge
does it matter which enchant is on which weapon?
safe matrix
neither roster uses rogues iirc
supple hearth
@serene hinge no
serene hinge
does the higher simming one have to be on MH?
safe matrix
unless limit does
hasty sonnet
Any conclusion on go to traits or just wait ?
serene hinge
okay thanks
mellow pier
a lot of nerfs
sinful flint
Rogues aren't particularly strong on ghuun, so it doesn't affect the race
long marlin
When does the patch drop in us?
ripe yew
Why would blizz nerf uldir traits? Who had an issue with those???
strange python
its like this is everyones first, first tier of an expansion with the level of salt
sudden brook
id assume on reset
safe matrix
oh right other nerfs
supple hearth
@hasty sonnet you might look at the traits that are good other than uldir and ss
sinful flint
@long marlin reset
mellow pier
more than just rogues were nerfed
white lance
🇺🇸 first to the moon 🇺🇸 first to stomp the shit out of rogues 🇺🇸
fiery bear
How big was ww monk nerf? They got 55% nerf
sudden brook
@strange python BLIZZRD HATES ROGUES ITS NOT FAIR
manic nexus
u guys can reroll, ill see you back on rogue next tier
vapid oracle
idk i kinda was of the opinion that lazer matrix should have been one of the BiS for everybody, you never got tilted at getting an azerite piece from the raid at least it was useful
long marlin
Whens reset like how many hours from now on im eu
azure drift
wait how are rogues not good on gahuun ?https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/19/#metric=bossdps&dataset=99&boss=2122&difficulty=4
ripe yew
Unsubbing
sinful flint
@fiery bear 55% makes it still stronger than most traits
uneven widget
Locks have like 3 viable traits but i might be wrong
strange python
wait now we have to get good?
white lance
we have to apply garrote BETTER
sinful flint
@azure drift have you seen mythic ghuun? That fight is hard for melees
azure drift
ya but time will tell lol
velvet kernel
all these people pretending like they didnt not want the nerfs to happen LOL
white lance
i did, but something in return wouldve been nice
fallen sage
Finish off Assa and buff outlaw pls
fiery bear
Every week an changing spec... It's like am a official rogue tester for blizz
hazy sphinx
Wonder what trait I'm gonna be hoping for now
sinful flint
@atomic jay depends on what your team needs, I will stick to sub
neon stone
we should have been adjusted not directly nerfed thats the issue lol
strange python
with how weak rupture and envenom are id thought we'd atleast see some buffs there
silk sundial
Here come the nerf. It was needed tbh
lusty narwhal
Anyone see how method isnt using rogues? We’re so bad guys Krappa
real socket
can we just put 1 more bullet in sin and buff outlaw and deadshot pls
atomic jay
@sinful flint Not a huge fan of sub play style. It was either outlaw / sin for me
sudden brook
y do u guys think assa will be unplayable with that nerf
sand whale
a chunk of us demanded blizz to let us test traits on beta but you know same old story
sudden brook
outlaw got a 20% nerf to DS and is still extremely competitive
unreal coyote
like
sudden brook
and DS was nowhere near as good as SS
sinful flint
@atomic jay Once you get the hang of it, it isn;t that hard, and it feels really rewarding
lusty narwhal
Run BiTS with enevolping then @trail leaf
strange python
outlaw checking in
fallen sage
@sudden brook "extremely competitive" have u seen our single target my guy
real socket
@sudden brook do you even play a rogue?
sinful flint
Outlaw is snake eyes again btw
sudden brook
yes i play rogue
fiery jasper
is sub or outlaw better now
sudden brook
lol
real socket
no way
strange python
outlaw
lusty narwhal
No one knows yet
fiery jasper
1200 crit lets go
twilit belfry
what the fuck are these garrote nerfs
sinful flint
TB and laser matrix getting nerfed
twilit belfry
40% nerf
uneven ibex
ancient sonnet
with these changes imma just say sub?
twilit belfry
40%
sudden brook
u act like rogues are brought EXCLUSIVLY for damage
twilit belfry
you get dmg out of stealth and on vanish
ancient sonnet
its already close to sin without nerfs, with nerfs its gonna be better
twilit belfry
and they nerfed it 40% lol
chilly obsidian
New rogue spec is frost dk mark my words
real socket
me reading the patch notes
lusty narwhal
In uldir we are, i dont recally any mechanics that we are used for specifically lol
ancient sonnet
we could do like 4dps, but we have rogue stuff so we'll always be useful
strange python
its crazy how they've touched on all 3 rogue specs and left enhance and ferals to fend for themselves
ancient sonnet
feral is just getting buffed over and over
torpid jackal
all the fotm tears are so delicious
idle token
How is Assassination this xpac?
ancient sonnet
give it 2 months and feral top dps
chilly obsidian
Feral needs it so bad rofl
sinful flint
Feral is sstill one of the weakest, they need the buffs
drowsy summit
waaaay 2 many fuckers play FOTM....go play DH
lusty narwhal
Feral still eats shit
dense blaze
Rogue utility in Uldir lmao
ancient sonnet
8.1 feral fotm inc
white lance
im here asking on behalf of fragnance: what class should he reroll?
sudden brook
if u play feral ur locked to PVP this patch
chilly obsidian
I got my 120 druid prepped
lusty narwhal
frost dk feels absolutely dogshit to play
sinful flint
@white lance DH
idle token
.>
sudden brook
feral is nuuuttty in pvp
sand whale
back to warlock for raidspots
chilly obsidian
Big fuckin bites
idle token
How is Assassination overall and in pvp?
sudden brook
good
sinful flint
good
supple hearth
Good
lusty narwhal
Bad now after today Kappa
chilly obsidian
Good
merry elbow
trash
halcyon tulip
okay
sudden brook
RMP >>>>>>>
sinful flint
Assa is one of the most popular in arena 2v2 and 3v3
strange python
outlaw rogue
idle token
Oh, ok. Someone told me is was terrible. >.> Dunno why I believed them.
prime stirrup
Azerite is such a crappy tool. Give me secondary stats if youre just going to gut anything worth a damn
idle token
Is Assa ok in PVE too?
sinful flint
Assa is getting nerfed by a little on reset
sudden brook
all rogue specs are strong in pvp (sub kinda sucks though unles ur experienced)
idle token
How so/come?
sudden brook
bcuz they were too good
chilly obsidian
Yeah nerfed just a bit its nbd. They were broken
idle token
Yeah I tried playing sub today. It was bad.
sinful flint
the strongest trait is getting nerfed by 40%
strange python
#bringbackthetier!
idle token
Oh Azerite/.
sudden brook
sins still gonna be good
spice frost
i just dont like how they seem to keep trying to make the passive ones the best. Deadshot good = nerf it. Shrouded suffocation really good = absolutely dumpster it
idle token
I just hit 120 today.
prime stirrup
ruby 40% from our opener is not a little
edgy monolith
sin is still gonna be competitive with double dose
torpid jackal
its not 40% from the opener
strange python
its not 40% of the opener giglul
edgy monolith
everyone calm down
ancient sonnet
40% from one spell in your opener
chilly obsidian
It's not 40% from opener LUL
sudden brook
LMFAO
idle token
@edgy monolith What is Double Dose?
sudden brook
ppl are sooo dramatic
torpid jackal
for me with 2 pc it goes from 1k to 600 bonus dmg
chilly obsidian
The overreacting is amazing
idle token
What uh, what's double dose?
velvet kernel
400 damage is a lot
sudden brook
@chilly obsidian BLIZZARD HATES ROGUES, EVERY PATCH A NERF ITS UNFAIR BIAS
zenith notch
They nerfed SS... it was predictable. They said this was only the 1st pass, next they gonna nerf Sharpened Blades and hopefully buff Twist the Knife and Poisoned Wire
sinful flint
Double dose increases mutilate dmg
quaint rune
Can I ask a real question though: Anybody know what will be better in mythic+ once the nerf happens?
white lance
wait so the 40% nerf is PER TRAIT? so im nerfed 120%? im quitting the class
idle token
Is it an Azerite trait @sinful flint ?
sudden brook
@quaint rune its comp dependent
ancient sonnet
are the changes in yet or nah?
sinful flint
Yess
sudden brook
all the specs fill a niche
zinc cliff
SS will still be good in m+
strange python
NERFED 120% WE NOW HEAL THE BOSS BY ATTACKING
opal mason
thats not how math works @white lance
sinful flint
We're only discussing azerite traits atm
crisp hollow
do these go live tomorrow?
chilly obsidian
Time to queue for dungeons as healer cause after this my garrote will do negative damage am I right hehexd
torpid jackal
i am laughing so hard right now
sinful flint
@crisp hollow on reset
idle token
Oh ok. I assume I won't see important traits until I'm well over 305 ilvl?
zenith notch
I just wish all the class traits were better than all generic traits.
white lance
i deal NEGATIVE DAMAGE PER SECOND?
sudden brook
tyhats what they are wroking on
atomic jay
DH doesn't get touched and their best trait is already OP
sinful flint
@idle token you will get 325 azerite gear easily, dont worry too much
glass vessel
still bet sin is #1 in m+ or close to it
sand whale
garrote now heals the boss
idle token
Oh ok.
merry elbow
WITH TRIPLE SS YOU HEAL THE BOSS GG
chilly obsidian
DH isnt op lol you just are bad
sudden brook
why does everybody have a hardon for DHs this week