what
#assassination
frosty oak
quasi steppe
how is the rotation with 2 stacks of SS ?
stuck shuttle
@quasi steppe same rotation
hollow stone
Frost mages might as well be called poly mages in pvp. Naw mee?
tropic hull
"red button" mages
restive path
Can anyone explain how galecallers functions with exsang I’m not following
stuck shuttle
Exsang snapshots your current haste
then uses that for the ticks
so you pop GC to get max haste
then u exsang with the full haste buff
restive path
Rip I got 370 dice but I guess I’m sticking to 355 gc
terse pawn
my 345 gc sims 0.4% better than my 360 dice
tropic hull
you can use both
terse pawn
just gonna keep the dice since you can't fuck it up
hollow stone
Using 2 trinkets is a crutch
restive path
Is it better than fathoms ? I’m simming higher without the dice
terse pawn
fathoms is better than my 345 gc i think
stuck shuttle
sim yo self
terse pawn
dunno about yours
wide vine
SS deserves a small nerf, I just hope it won’t be too big cuz that will ruin sin 😭 especially in raids
restive path
Yeah my fathoms and 355 gc sim higher
hollow junco
SS nerf would be okay if other traits were buffed to compensate
tropic hull
20% minimum
silk sundial
X amount over entire duration, not tick lol
terse pawn
i miss when trinkets were actually useful for something
hollow stone
Especially in m+ you mean.. ss nerf wouldnt hit raid as hard as it would hit m+
iron prism
yeah, i'm not sure why my non SS gear sims higher as well
hollow junco
right now SS forces damaged to be frontloaded into opener which is REALLY GREAT in M+ for trash pulling and a lot less fun when vanish isn't up on a long encounter
terse pawn
also if you fuck up a vanish garrote windows your dps is fucked
pulsar goblet
I was going to say, I'm not sure why you like SS so much in raids
It's kind of a boring trait for raid
terse pawn
it does an insane amount of damage
pulsar goblet
For dungeons it is amazing
terse pawn
even in raid
tropic hull
in raids there is laser and etc
pulsar goblet
Right but that's just tuning
primal violet
its also good in 2s if u can re a lot w/ iron wire talent
hollow stone
There's high sin parses in raid without using any ss traits
iron prism
Oh duh. Because I'm simming a 5 minute fight. If I simmed 1 minute SS would crush
dry fern
does assa have dots that snapshot?
hollow junco
otoh, it actively changes your gameplay, which is good and interesting. a lot of other traits end up just being passive "oh that's nice, i wonder how it sims" and don't affect what buttons you push or when
silk sundial
Burst so high in the opener so your initial dps carries the parse lol
restive path
What are they running if not ss?
spice surge
Highest ilvl
tropic hull
laser matrix
terse pawn
also you can save it for burst phases and shit
much better than sub literally 3 button brainless rotation
hollow stone
That and coupled with the bosses in uldir w dmg buffs, theres 3/8 sooo
hollow junco
when SS is nerfed, something else will be FOTM
spice surge
Which cant be SS, with the exception of chest, you cant get any piece above 355 that has SS unless you're extremly lucky from weekly
pulsar goblet
SS will probably still be amazing in dungeons
restive path
Boots here :(
terse pawn
if SS gets nerfed i'm just going back to sub and playing dark shadow
at least that's kinda fun
hollow junco
eleem has a point though. this could be solved not by nerfing SS, but by instead buffing other traits such that a 370 with a different trait is > a 340 with SS
stuck shuttle
gotta love FotM
wide vine
Yeah might still be sin for m+ and sub for raid
hollow junco
...the limited sources of SS gear will cause it to fall behind 370 and 385 azerite gear if a tuning pass makes other traits nonshit
tropic hull
or outlaw
hollow stone
Keep your yellow names outa here. Its called outlul for a reason
tropic hull
hollow stone
(Just playin. Outlaw is fun to play)
terse pawn
why did they take thalkiel's consumption away from demonology warlocks and give it to affliction lol
hollow stone
Lol
tropic hull
demonology feelsbad
hollow stone
Probably because affl is actually the only lock spec
terse pawn
demonology is the biggest joke of a spec right now
tropic hull
tons of bugs low dps LUL
terse pawn
also least destro was good in arena in legion
tropic hull
bring back MoP demo 😦
terse pawn
actually demo wasn't too bad either
terse pawn
that's basically all feral has right now
hollow stone
And its pretty good for max cheese on zul
terse pawn
jungle cleave very nice
hollow stone
Poor feral 😩
iron prism
still better than shaman
tropic hull
poor feral. only 50k crit in arena
terse pawn
lol
iron prism
i get now why thrall unsubb'ed after he lost his artifact weapon
cunning rapids
Do i ss garrote 3 different mobs and dont garrote on the 4th mob until the first 3 fade?
onyx wind
yes
plucky lily
What are you supposed to do during subterfuge on one target?
tropic hull
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
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terse pawn
i just do the normal ST opener and skip the vendetta if i don't want it on cd
past harbor
how do you choose a dagger pvp award instead of the axe one that currently shows up?\
lone junco
Yeah. In m+ I try to use exang every pull. And finish with kidney for the 10% prey dmg. Helps group prio as well
terse pawn
there's an axe pvp reward?
oh the first conquest thingy
when you hand in the quest for it, it gives you a choice
fervent fox
just go turn it in at the guy and he'll give you a choice
bleak jungle
Hey guys, anyone know what happened to Frenetic Corpuscle over night?
Procc'd for 26k last night
Now it only procs for 5.6k
flint swift
@lone junco you run prey over the garrote silence buff?
fervent fox
that trinket blows, just shelf it
earnest tangle
outlaw forever
did they buff corpsucle's proc rate
or did they just nerf it for no reason
primal violet
hey guys, i got a titanforged 385 galecallers, is that good?
slender peak
Scrap it then delete the worthless mats you get out of the scrapper
primal violet
oh darn im still at work, ill have to when i get home
bleak jungle
Why was Frenetic Corpuscle stealth nerfed lol... I have no choice but to use it too
primal violet
i wanna get the tanking trinket from mythraxx too for pvp
tropic hull
yea i see restro druid with that trinket
tropic hull
i jsut /leave
terse pawn
does it drop for our specs?
violet sail
i read something the other day and didnt quite understand as i hadnt played assa all that much, is the something about not using garrote if you have an empowered one active on another target?
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
violet sail
a bug with the trait
primal gazelle
@chrome cave whats your secondary stats % looking like?
violet sail
ty @chrome cave
chrome cave
rngesus has been kind
violet sail
is there a haste breakpoint we want to hit or just stacking it till sims say stop?
chrome cave
just follow sim
stable pine
Hey team for the SS bug - do we have to wait for the empowered SS garrote to completely runs out before applying the 4 garrote?
chrome cave
yes
stable pine
Reeeeee - any news when this will be fixed?
tropic hull
you can use vanish and apply garrote
chrome cave
^
terse pawn
it'll be fixed when SS gets nerfed
stable pine
^lol
primal gazelle
and then blizz will mask it as a buff overall
stable pine
So in theory you can have 6 SS garrotes going at the same time?
chrome cave
yes
tropic hull
imagine if they only nerf SS
terse pawn
are there any helmets with SS besides the one from shrine?
chrome cave
some random shit from world quests
terse pawn
yeah would rather not use the shitty 325s from WQs
tropic hull
random 340 azerite from chest yea
chrome cave
do those until you have titanforge luck xD
tropic hull
titanforge on azerite xD
terse pawn
getting a SS helm out the emissary chest would be like winning the lottery
storm belfry
When do you know to stop worrying about a stat
terse pawn
but probably a lower chance
primal violet
nice cleavage
prisma pond
Imagine getting that sweet sweet 385 piece with SS along with the hotfix that nerfs it by 40%
tropic hull
only what i can get from chest is ring versa main stat
storm belfry
But follow what? Where in sims does it say you need no more of that lol
terse pawn
in the stat weight sim
chrome cave
get a new piece, use top gear see what's best move on
cinder palm
Yeah SS is so fucking strong... I’ll be sad when it’s nerfed
chrome cave
I'll be happy when it's fucked honestly
I want my braindead rotation back xD
just please don't let sharpened blades be the next big thing
or I'm going to cry
cinder palm
I hate sharpened blades
tropic hull
it's depends how much they herf
cinder palm
But I am ready, I have bags full of Azerite pieces
prisma pond
Mebe only a 5 to 10% nerf
violet sail
@chrome cave is it just galecallers that allow 6x garrotes? seem to be able to get 4 at most with 15% haste
cinder palm
No vanish
chrome cave
it's vanish that allows 6 garrotes
no matter your haste you can't do more than 3 empowered garrotes
your gcd is capped at 1
flint swift
@storm belfry there’s not a breakpoint really for haste. When people say “follow the sim” they mean stop prioritizing haste when it starts giving less dps than your other secondaries
tropic hull
yep. you can only 3
neon cedar
to aoe burst 6 target you guys recomand to do 3 garote > vanish > garote the 3 others?
chrome cave
if they live long enough sure
neon cedar
then apply Crimson, then ruptures ?
chrome cave
yeh
tropic hull
trash is live not enough right now
neon cedar
make sense 😉 ty
chrome cave
besides you don't have the energy to do 6 garrotes back to back I think
neon cedar
that's exactly what i'm asking for
lone junco
Back in prepatch. I simmed Ct spam vs weaving env. It is a clear gain to occasionally env. For FOK E return.
versed bobcat
Whatd you recommend as on demand burst on, lets say ghuun beam? Pot-vanish - garrote - rupt - garrote - Vendetta - muti - rupt - exs (like opener but just with vanish) or does it change in some way When its NOT the opener?
lone junco
You can see that by shifting the Ct refresh up to <=7s or so instead of 2. It will overcast. But also maintain ruptures with occasional env.
copper ivy
is it worth me dropping one of my suffocation traits for archive of the titans? or stick with 3 suffocations?
pulsar goblet
Depends if you mean for raid or for dungeons
For raid yeah probably for dungeons probably not
high venture
which mythic weapon u recommend to me? for stats and so
high venture
ook ty!
pulsar goblet
Mother Dagger is great
copper ivy
@pulsar goblet was for both, ill stick with the 3 SS 😛
lethal jungle
Why do you guys keep saying SS will get nerfed?
worn ginkgo
Wait are you guys dropping 3x Gar and going over combo points then Rupturing ?
steel bane
how exactly does exsanguinate works with refreshing your dots?
stable pine
@worn ginkgo yes if you have SS traits
worn ginkgo
Oh man I’m ranking like 80+ but I was only dropping 2 x gar into a rupture then Exsang
glacial ravine
chyeeeah 13k club. https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bAAUa48HNeaBR3EQrp3Ui1
stuck shuttle
@steel bane you want to exsanguinate on full pandemic bleeds
final stone
@glacial ravine wooo gratz I'm close to that 14k club !! 355
glad peak
Can the garrote azerite perk come from any piece of azerite gear ?
stuck shuttle
no
glad peak
Or only specific chests/shoulders etc
glad peak
I see
steel bane
can I safely refresh my exsanguinated rupture before it is fully expired ?
glad peak
Is there somewhere i can find out what gear has what traits Hecktix ?
glad peak
Rofl i got you boss
steel bane
Thank you so much @stuck shuttle
warm sable
I must say i finally got Dagger from Toll Dagor and it's M+10 with socket xD
Now i just need 1 more hahaha xD
sinful lotus
hey guys, do you ever Garx3? On opener it's just twice, and when CD's aline it's just twice again right? When would you ever Gar x 3 unless you have like 3 adds up and you Gar Gar Ga CT or something like that?
sweet flame
367 ilvl here, still have 345 daggers 😒
sinful lotus
with SSx3
lone junco
@warm sable offhand wep doesnt matter in cleave. so yay.
sinful lotus
MT?
stuck shuttle
Multi Target
sinful lotus
right ok, thought so. yea I've read the guide a million times. And follow the opener and rotaiton closely. Just saw somebody talking about 3x Gar and made me think i was doing something wrong. In M+ I always garx3 into CT, then FoK rup
warm sable
@lone junco yep but that one is still the best for offhand too xD
lone junco
@sinful lotus in m+ ggg ct. or g tab ggr.exang depends on prio condition. but yeah. def want to get out the 3 g
dense blaze
Got my third SS trait
sinful lotus
@lone junco ok cool ty very much!
proper igloo
stuck shuttle
you shouldn't be grinding AP ni the first place
primal violet
dont do them kyle
primal violet
by doing the expeditions, you're encouraging blizzard to make bad game systems
there's more fun ways to obtain ap
but let it just come naturally...
just play teh game
but dont encourage blizzard to make bad game systems
simple meteor
damn just got 370 piece and it sims lower then my 340 azerite SS
30 ilvl difrence...pff
simple meteor
yeah thats what i am gonna do just didnt sim it right on cause though the agi would make the difrence
civic palm
Nice.
simple meteor
i see still sims lower haha maybe next week
steady token
congrations
sharp flower
https://www.wowprogress.com/character/us/illidan/Solarusrogue
the weapon grind is strong
simple meteor
pvp gave me x2 370 try doing some might get lucky
versed bobcat
Mother will be so kind and give me 400 dagger tomorrow
And lets say 385 socket in bonus roll on top. Ty
silver sage
Shrouded mantle or Impressive visage?
stuck shuttle
@silver sage i prefer Shrouded
silver sage
good to know
arctic lodge
garrote bug for my mutilate friends: https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20769048156
applying an unbuffed garrote to any target causes all your buffed garrotes on all your other targets to become unbuffed
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
silver sage
I didn't know it, and now I do, it explains a few things
stuck shuttle
is it really only being reported now?
prisma pond
LURK MOAR
arctic lodge
well, a buddy of mine knew about it in legion. but i never knew about it
silver sage
honestly, I just started leveling my rogue in BoA, and forgot I was subscribed here
arctic lodge
hmm, let me double check. i think i tested it earlier and the bug occurred with nightstalker and subterfuge
final stone
i had ss traits and didnt even know it in legion!!
worldly schooner
im not sure what stats to get for assassin in +, just ST gear as still?
arctic lodge
with all traits disabled
stuck shuttle
@worldly schooner read the guide
SIN BFA GUIDE HERE--> http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/ <-- SIN GUIDE HERE
stat priorities are listed
you can also sim yourself for your actual weights
worldly schooner
yes i am aware for that but it seems that a lot sin just go for ST gear for +
well for tyr of course but in fort week
i just changed to sin
stuck shuttle
??
worldly schooner
if i wanna sim AoE, do i use 3 bosses or 5
stuck shuttle
in M+ all you need is SS trait
worldly schooner
up to 3 i think
stuck shuttle
there's no separate gear set
molten jungle
@worldly schooner i do 4 boss patchwerk 2 minutes
stuck shuttle
ST and MT are the same traits
safe matrix
There was a different bug with ss at launch that caused it to not do damage
That was fixed, and ss was nerfed by 11%
Now we currently have the ss overwrite bug
slender peak
How is everyone just finding this now?! Its been know on here for weeks. Infextious just made a video about it too like its just been discovered today or something
arctic lodge
how well known is the bug where proc'd azerite traits/rogue abilities eat vanish?
stuck shuttle
i have noticed that in PvP sometimes my vanish randomly disappears
final stone
@stuck shuttle riiiip us
civic palm
You would never have known about the bug unless the trait did damage to begin with.
¯_(ツ)_/¯
I expect a first next patch however.
arctic lodge
it will happen in your pve rotations too. if something like heed my call goes off when you vanish or during vanish, you'll be immediately pulled out of vanish
stuck shuttle
i mean its not too bad for PvE
arctic lodge
it's a little more annoying in pvp because it will prolong how long you're in combat
arctic lodge
since it both A) keeps you in combat and B) against pvp targets it seems to put you back into combat
in addition to taking you out of stealth, so no quick restealth :\
slender peak
Its ok I deleted my 3x SS now I do poop for dps maybe blizz wont nerf sin when I can only get 70% parses
grim sail
Is thripe SS stack still best?I just got beat by this guy in DPS and he told me my build was wrong
This is me
versed osprey
sounds anecdotal
grim sail
Im the guy WITH subterfuge
stuck shuttle
oh
worldly schooner
so 4 boss for 2 min is best way to sim myself for +?
stuck shuttle
nah thats not an accurate measure
worldly schooner
whats accurate way to mesasure then
versed osprey
how you lost to this guy is beyond me
stuck shuttle
his build is stupid
versed osprey
he runs master assasin
stuck shuttle
lol
versed osprey
what a clown rofl
versed osprey
yea
stuck shuttle
if you have 3xSS and subterfuge , your garrote alone would out dps this build
grim sail
I dont understand at all, he bet me he would beat me even, on mythrax. So I was full focused on rotation 😛
silver sage
What are you guys referring to by SS? Not shadowstep?
brave rampart
Shrouded Suffocation, its the good good talent.
stuck shuttle
all this channel talks about is SS lol
silver sage
Azerite trait right?
silver sage
cool, I'll keep my eye out for any gear with it on
stuck shuttle
@grim sail yeah you have to be doing something wrong.
could also be ilvl difference
grim sail
He is 352, im 357
grim sail
Interesting
stuck shuttle
theres no "magic number" for haste
silver sage
i always feel good 😉
stuck shuttle
and there is no hard cap/soft cap since we won't know what its like with higher lvls of gear
haste is good rn because of the GCD changes and the changes to it's scaling with bleeds
severe raven
is 12% to low?
stuck shuttle
for what ilvl
peak crater
@grim sail logs?
severe raven
360
stuck shuttle
thats low
grim sail
Dont have mate, wish I did.
stuck shuttle
yes
do you have Galecaller's boon @severe raven
@grim sail looking at the guys logs, he parses really badly
so not to be mean but youre definitely fucking up somewhere
grim sail
Yeah I just cant understand how
severe raven
idk i run sims and it
stone pilot
so blizz nerfed the shitty trinket off fetid?
west cove
So we want to stack 3xSS trait?
arctic lodge
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
stuck shuttle
@west cove ideally yes.
west cove
Ok thx. I have 2x atm
worldly schooner
interesting
stuck shuttle
Laser Matrix
west cove
Hmm have caught that one yet
stuck shuttle
specifically the helm from Mythrax
west cove
I see
spring prawn
do u guys go crit mastery m+? or just haste crit?
west cove
But for m+ 3xSS is way to go
stuck shuttle
definitely
west cove
Tyvm
stuck shuttle
for same ilvl of course
paper gale
Whats the quickest way to farm ss traits, got 1 atm but cant seem to get another
is it just running dungs on lockout ?
west cove
I got 2x and one dagger in back atm
spring prawn
do u guys go crit mastery m+? or just haste crit? for +11+12+13's
paper gale
yeah thats the one i got :/
west cove
I haven’t even looked into conquest gear yet
paper gale
gotcha
stuck shuttle
you have to win in rated arenas/bgs
you get some from skirmish
but only first win of the day
i think
west cove
Ahh ok. I been meaning to get back into rated. Been a while
spring prawn
do u guys go crit mastery m+? or just haste crit? for +11+12+13's
strange python
Hey guys looking for a little clarification with SS. I’m running 2xSS and 1 LM. What should the opener be on a single target fight? Lastly do we wait to stack vanish and Vendetta?
stuck shuttle
@spring prawn i use same gear for M+ and raiding and top meters by a mile
@strange python you can read the guide linked up top. It has the opener laid out there.
spring prawn
ofc we top meters. assas is broken. but that's not an excuse to optimize ;)
stuck shuttle
you can run crit mastery for the poison/exsang build yes.
but none of us can say how much better (if it all) the build is
more of a question for sims
dense blaze
I sim higher with exsang and haste/crit
spring prawn
on multi target?
dense blaze
Single
spring prawn
well im talking bout m+^^
stuck shuttle
sim it is the best answer
west cove
Is simcraft still the best for that?
spring prawn
krit mastery sims way higher then haste for 3 targets.
echo geyser
Does activating galecallers boon+exsang after u apply bleed make them tick faster
west cove
Haven’t really played since middle of legion
stuck shuttle
@echo geyser exsang snapshots your haste when you proc it
echo geyser
o
north spruce
I simmed slightly higher with 1x archive of the titans 2x SS last night, was weirded out a bit lol
echo geyser
so u wanna pop the haste buffs before exsang?
stuck shuttle
yes
grim sail
How do I use Exsang when Vanish/Vendatta isn't up? Do I just try stack the bleed duration on Garrote/Rupture and go for it, or what? Maybe my mistake lies there
echo geyser
I see, thanks a lot man 😃
stuck shuttle
@grim sail if you're not comfortable with exsang, just run TB
but 1st and 4th exsang should line up
2nd and 3rd on CD with full pandemic bleeds as close as you can
echo geyser
in the opener when u have empowered garrotes do u wait for it to fully disappear before u vanish or u refresh at a certain second left?
grim sail
Yeah that's how I'm using it. I get 20 sec garrote and 30 sec rupture and pop it, I'm using it properly in that case
echo geyser
and are ruptures empowered by subterfuge?
stuck shuttle
no they are not
echo geyser
ok
stuck shuttle
and you should let SS garrote ticks fully tick
echo geyser
drop off completely then revanish
stuck shuttle
pandemic on buffed dots make the buff disappear
echo geyser
even if my current garrote is empowered
and i vanish
regarrote before first one is off
?
echo geyser
ye thought so thanks, just wait for the first empowered one to drop before i revanish then
grim sail
What about pandemic on exsang, do I let the exsang dots drop off?
stuck shuttle
yes
stuck shuttle
im looking at your logs from a normal fetid kill
your opener is wrong
and your vanish was wrong
also your 2nd vanish was wrong
grim sail
Ay yeah woot
stuck shuttle
it creates logs for you
grim sail
I know, didnt know it was logged tho, checked earlier and it wasnt
Fetid isn't here? What logs u lookin at
Mother/taloc
grim sail
Yeah ur right
primal violet
is Doom's Wake any good
grim sail
I see, I usually do garrote, rupture, garrote rupture and then exsang. Messed up on fetid
void pecan
If you can stand gcb is better, if not dooms wake is alright.
grim sail
Yah with garrote, rupture, garrote mutilate rupture?
grim sail
Vanish the same?
primal violet
what about for pvp, could dooms wake be good
grim sail
I will change the opener from now on though, thanks
primal violet
cause like galecallers isnt very good for pvp, ur always moving
void pecan
Just answered your own question I think
stuck shuttle
@grim sail your opener was still wrong on Vectis
grim sail
Yeah, I just learned about the mutilate in the opener. Will change
glad peak
Stupid question
But some of the shoulders are rewarded from WQ and are like 325
But i see people with epic quality how ?
lilac lily
Emissary
glad peak
Ahh
grim sail
But is there anything else I'm doing wrong rotational wise? Anything obvious
candid wren
hi guys ! have question here ! Exsanguinate > Toxic Blade ? (MM+ purpose)
grim sail
Boss goes underground though
true thistle
Vectis is hiding himself
prime void
Hecktix, can you look at my logs?
prime void
I'm new to sin and need help
stuck shuttle
dam i think you should read the guide @prime void
calm grail
Mizus fucking with you.
calm grail
Oh, I haven't really seen your name until the last couple weeks. My bad bro.
stuck shuttle
np .
calm grail
I took a break when I got done raiding Legion and one of my favorite hobbies was coming and pretending like a new player.
void pecan
I too am also new
stable holly
If I am running Pearl Diver's necklace, and the CD is 1:30 min, should I wait the extra 30 to time it with Vendetta?
calm grail
Nope
true thistle
60k opener on zul feels sick
void pecan
Retired
calm grail
I must have been taking my vacation when he left
severe raven
does offhand upgrades make a huge difference?
stuck shuttle
not as much as MH
prime void
Hecktix, do I delay exsg until after I refresh bleeds? @stuck shuttle
prime void
Free
calm grail
Yeah what a dumb fucking question
true thistle
Garrote rputure then exsang
calm grail
Hit exsang as soon as you procc itnernal bleeding.
Make sure their kidney stones come out
stuck shuttle
yeah
plucky lily
SO what does the opener look like?
stuck shuttle
sorry wrong rotation
prime void
!guide
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Assassination Guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/
stuck shuttle
Garrote -> kidney -> exsang @prime void
severe raven
whats better ? toxic or exsang?
prime void
Exsg
true thistle
Self
prime void
Because it takes half a brain
true thistle
severe raven
exsg is higher dps?
prime void
Opposed to 0 brain
true thistle
calm grail
Yeah but. What's the best Koc?
true thistle
Take a look at herodamage combinations
You will know the answer
4real it depends on traits
void pecan
Busted
molten jungle
yikes
hybrid harness
pls nerf
true thistle
3< ss traits id try tox blade
calm grail
I'm kind of a superstitious guy so my talents are 333333
molten jungle
aesthetic
calm grail
Shut your mouth.
true thistle
Hope for nerfs
gritty solstice
will be called for tbh
calm grail
Why am I seeing blue names in here?
For real though, I don't think SS needs to be nerfed for raid. I don't know how you would make it less good at AOE though without ruining it for ST too.
north terrace
Lol I love how everyone says that sin nerfs are justified... just because we top 1 fight and are like... pretty good in all the others
Like top 5 in the others
Being top across the whole raid is because we don't suck anywhere in the raid
Not because we're blowing everyone out of the water every fight
calm grail
Like we're not the best at raid, it's m+ where we're pretty juicey.
north terrace
Like it was for Sub, Outlaw, and BM
molten jungle
u joocy
calm grail
I don't think the problem with the trait is the trait itself, it's the lack of competition.
north terrace
Then buff the shit ones
north terrace
Taking one of the only 2 traits that actually affects gameplay and nerfing it is a stupid solution
calm grail
I think every trait shouls affect gameplay somehow and then you should choose which one you want based on what you want to do.
fickle lion
Nerf something that really only got attention because sub and outlaw had dmg and top trait nerfs?
Unlikely
calm grail
I think SS and DS/Ace for Outlaw are some of the more fun traits regardless of their damage.
molten jungle
how does the sharpened blades trait work with poisoned knife, considering switching to sin but i'd be using a sharpened blade trait and i wanna understand how it works
north terrace
it stacks up as you AA stuff
molten jungle
i don't see poisoned knife in the guide and the wowhead spell is an active
when do you use it
north terrace
When it hits 30 stacks you use poisoned knife
calm grail
Essentially.
north terrace
Poisoned knife isn't in the guide because that's not the primary azerite build right now and without sharpened blades you basically don't use poisoned knife unless you're forced away from a mob for extended period
molten jungle
seems easy enough
calm grail
Does Sub have any fun traits?
molten jungle
yeah i'm working on ss traits, only have one so far
stuck shuttle
none of the traits are fun
calm grail
Snake eyes for Outlaw is kind of cool too.
north terrace
Honestly I think SS is fun
stuck shuttle
except SS
molten jungle
since deadshot traits didn't stack with SS
north terrace
Getting the extra CP is nice
spice surge
Fok is pretty fun imo
north terrace
Sharpened blades is all right..
stuck shuttle
@prime void where'd you go. I wasn't done teaching you how to be git gud
calm grail
I'm just trying to remember these subtelty ones and they all seemed Zzzz
stable holly
Does anybody know if I should wait the extra 30 seconds when using the Trinket Pearl Divers Necklace to combine it with vendetta? or should I cast on CD?
calm grail
I think that depends how long the flight is
Fight*
What's the cooldown on the necklace?
stable holly
1:30
calm grail
What fight?
stable holly
im asking for a raid environment
calm grail
Ohh. Well the shorter of the fight it will be better to hold for alignment.
Especially on bosses with a vuln phase
molten jungle
do you guys know if herodamage/bloodmallet azerite dps values for uldir traits take into account some general value for reorigination array?
north terrace
@stable holly honestly you should sim yourself and look at the sample sequence table
It tells you how you should use things ideally
north terrace
Yeah when you sim on raidbots you can click on "see full HTML report" or something like that
stable holly
i use the simulationcraft program
north terrace
On that HTML report you go down to Action Priority List, then under that Sample Sequence Table
calm grail
Yeah, it tells you how to use things ideally, but a good example I can think of is last night we did normal for shits and our fetid devourer kill was sub two minutes.
So I held my opening cooldowns for the enrage.
molten jungle
somehow my guild went from 15th percentile to 85th on fetid h in a week
xd
5+ minutes to 2:40 or so
people decided to nut up i guess
stuck shuttle
my guild killed fetid in 2:05 first week on Heroic
so they must have really nutted up
molten jungle
well my guild is like a community aotc maybe one cutting edge per expansion guild
not that serious
stuck shuttle
2:40 is a good time
primal lance
Is the guide rotation for single target? Aoe is garrote three and use ct or fok til you can rupture things?
molten jungle
Cleave
Crimson Tempest, if the dot has less than 2 seconds remaining
Garrote, if the target will live long enough
Rupture, if the target will live long enough
Envenom, the priority target
from the guide
the guide also lists poison bomb as viable for cleave/aoe
idk how common that is in high m+
i would just look at raiderio
molten jungle
then pb?
molten jungle
agreed
primal lance
Okay. I don’t do high keys yet so I can get away with garrote three then fok til I rupture?
stuck shuttle
g g g rupture fok spam rupture 1-2 more targets, envenom spam
but if adds are dying fast
your dps will suffer
so higher keys are where sin shines
primal lance
Okay thanks everyone. Idc much about trash dps
calm grail
CT still fine on Tyrannical.
Poison bomb only makes up about 2% of your single target DPS.
But it will make your add clearing faster.
stuck shuttle
Definitely
molten jungle
what if my pockets are extra slippery
and the poison bomb dropping is on point
xd
calm grail
Nah.
west frost
If you're extra lucky you'll kill your party with bursting
stuck shuttle
lol
west frost
But those numbers will be juicy
stuck shuttle
M+
west frost
Island expiditions too maybe
astral kernel
I'm doing fine on trash packs as long as I can get a stealth in beforehand, but my ST is super low.. I'm confused when I should be energy pooling, am I looking for envenom uptime or getting as many finishers in as possible during the strategic planning window?
simple meteor
do oyu guys use engee helmet as assa for mythic plus?
umbral axle
do you even bother putting dots on everything before you crimson tempest
or do you just build then spend on tempest
in aoe
frosty oak
for aoe you garrote garrote garrote crimson tempest
out of stelath
stealth*
then maintain 3 ruptures and 2 garrotes after Ss
refresh crimson at 3s or less
i like how high the meters are with crimson tempest, but i prefer the higher ST dmg with envenom on a focus target than opting out to refresh crimson tempest
strange python
Whata re tyhe stat caps? haste etc
hidden yoke
If youre running Exsanguinate do you use it right after the first crimson tempest?
visual token
No caps. Only sim.
strange python
whats the best target number to sim for a aoe build
lone junco
I sim 6t 40s. Patchwerk No buffs.
astral kernel
does anyone know if it's better to stagger envenoms for uptime or stack envenoms inside elaborate planning?
lone junco
Clipping env is normal unless it is during TB window.
remote leaf
Reorigination Array gear seems to be siming ahead of Shrouded Suffocation next week once we have 3 stacks it seems. Other people seeing this?
astral kernel
@lone junco TB? do you know what's more optimal?
visual token
Toxic blade
remote leaf
the RA enabled gear seems hella complicated to figure out if its worth selecting the traights that enable it
sigh azerite abilities
terse pawn
kings rest is officially my least favorite dungeon
final stone
@terse pawn lol why
terse pawn
third boss with the axes is horrible
also i had 300 ping and couldn't avoid them for shit
terse pawn
that too
gilded fossil
Do esang when ever its up and hold for NS garrote?
terse pawn
NS?
gilded fossil
Srry subterfuge
I was thunking nightstalker
Do we try and line up exsang with vendetta also?
Im just lost after the pull lol
terse pawn
i do the opener and then one exsang window
and then everything should line up after that
or i just delay it until i can do it all together
inland field
yes 1. exsang with opener and vendetta 2. exsang alone 3. exsang wait for vendetta again
terse pawn
always fuck up the 2nd exsang
ocean stirrup
hey guys i'm trying to figure out if i should switch from pb to exsang - or rather figure out why it's recommended?
i'm simming <1% higher with PB on fights >=5mins
is it a case of exsang being a m+ thing for CT + bleeds on trash?
severe raven
3 SS or 2SS +1 TB?
terse pawn
do you just do a full pandemic refresh on garrote and rupture?
exsang is single target so it doesn't really do that much with CT
ocean stirrup
hm right
but would it interact with CT if it was a boss fight + adds?
(i.e. exsang on boss who has CT on him)?
unique scaffold
is fan suppose to award a combo point per target hit?
hexed root
ocean stirrup
my fan doesn't do that sometimes.. lol
inland field
fan generates 1 cp
visual token
Generates more if you crit
terse pawn
+1 for every crit
inland field
but you get another cp for every crit
inland field
yes
unique scaffold
ok thank you
ocean stirrup
sorry to dig backwards but what were the use cases/scenarios when exsang would be preferable over PB?
plucky lily
Which do you guys prefer Exsg or Toxic Blade?
stable holly
If Master Poisoner and Elaborate Planning sim roughly the same, master poisoner is a better choice because of ease of use correct?
frosty oak
is tb gonna be the way to go again after ss is nerfed?
stable holly
I cant find a source
sand whale
I'd much rather a buff to traits over nerfing strong ones
strange python
tb>exsang keys?
inland field
@strange python no
boreal spoke
Ss is getting nerfed? Where are the patch notes?
stable holly
google only gives me the SS nerf from aug 25
and people crying about it, but nothing official;
sand whale
not confirmed Mr Ion Hastoasters only said they weren't happy with traits
inland field
cannot find it either
terse pawn
the reddit AMA
sand whale
^
terse pawn
but basically he said that the outer ring traits are all supposed to be similar in power
so you don't get super punished for not getting your BiS RNG
which basically translates to SS getting some kind of nerf because of how insane it is at the moment
stable holly
well i finally got 2 SS pieces at a good ilevel, so I hope we go at least one more week for me to enjoy it lol
celest edge
Then just raise the power of the others. I hate the culture of just nerfing shit.
flint zodiac
Blizz always has, and always will, tune downwards
When a talent is performing too well, they don't buff the other two in the row, they just shit all over the good talent
Same thing
With azerite traits
stable holly
nerfing loot it worse than nerfing an ability imo
terse pawn
also they also way overnerf things
dense blaze
Does night elf shadowmeld give SS buff to garrote?
tired spindle
same thing happened when Agonizing poison was way too good
lusty narwhal
Anything that pushes me closer to having to play outlaw makes me quite upset
I hope we see something reasonable if something does get nerfed
lament bramble
in m+ is crimson tempest still maintained on ST?
frigid sleet
no
lament bramble
just like 3+?
frigid sleet
even on 2
ancient compass
Why does it seem like I’m fanning 5 targets I’m not getting 5 cp?
charred oar
did blizzard update the azerite traits?
for some reason im no longer seeing BITS on top
ancient compass
But it will give at least 2 correct?
charred oar
but instead sharpened blades and Laser matrix
lethal jungle
you guys talking sub?
lethal jungle
they are now
frigid sleet
you came to the wrong neighborhood 
pallid bluff
no it will only give 1 unless it crits @ancient compass
frigid sleet
even 2
pallid bluff
i think its technically better on 2+ as well
ancient compass
2 is garunteed with mutilate though. Figured that’s why 3 would be best
pallid bluff
on two targets if you crit both you get 3CP
ancient compass
That’s why crit jumps so high in multi target. Knew I was missing something
pallid bluff
yup
opal mason
sin or reroll
ancient compass
Outlaw is actually still quite strong. But I’m gearing for both specs
blazing scroll
Thats what i want to do
pallid bluff
outlaw is still great but on higher M+ it doesn't keep up in my experience
opal mason
im not saying one is weak im just saying sin is bae
lone junco
@ancient compass stack crit.. else you get 1.
pallid bluff
read the guide, in the pins and practice the opener first then go practive in dungeons
lapis turret
!wa
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blazing scroll
!stats
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Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > mastery > vers >= haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.
wild stone
Whats the best tier 100 talent for M+? I feel like my poison bomb is almost never going off.
round harbor
slender kraken
Exsang or TB for M+? with 3 SS traits
i see ppl using Exsang now and i had thought tb was best
wild stone
Yeah, good question too. I see TB on all the pins and Icy Veins but all the rogues in my guild use Exsang
pallid bluff
i like exsang for M+ just because its a good cd for priority damage and you arent really energy starved on aoe
and its nasty for ST on bosses and stuff
you also rarely Mut in M+ unless its aboss
slender kraken
so Exsang + CT?
pallid bluff
but seems meh
slender kraken
i've been pb + tb this whole time lol
pallid bluff
i only really like PB in Kings Rest so far
craggy peak
SS 40% nerf 😦
wild stone
Hidden Blades any good?
craggy peak
just announced
slender kraken
link?
craggy peak
Laser Matrix 30% nerf. SS 40% nerf
oblique raven
Fml
civic palm
Who called 40, @marble hemlock was it you?
lament bramble
back to outlaw!
oblique raven
I just came back from outlaw
craggy peak
40 is bigger than i expected
final stone
Are you shitting me.... assa just got a low as blow...
opal mason
well this blows
slender kraken
wow
craggy peak
Soooo...outlaw...
frank shard
onooooooooooooo
Rogue
(Assassination) Shrouded Suffocation: Damage bonus reduced by 40%
void pecan
Oof
upbeat gulch
oooof
wild stone
I JUST got 385 dagger....
frank shard
Is Ass dead?
median mason
Uhoh
civic palm
Yeah could you FOTM fuckers get out of my channel now? > _>"
opal mason
40% reduction is fucking huge
craggy peak
next best trait?
white lance
ITS OVER
opal mason
does that mean pvp will drop to 20%?
stark ridge
rip assassination, time to go back to sub life
opal mason
ewww sub is gross
ancient sonnet
what holes
we all rogues homie
i play all 3, just sin happened to be best till now
lel
opal mason
do you guys think the they'll half the pvp dmg as well?
wild stone
someone told me theres a simc code to input in raidbots for M+, anyone know about this???
marble hemlock
@civic palm i said it wouldnt get nerfed without them making up for the singletarget loss or aoe loss
guess they dont care about that 😃
civic palm
mmm, who said 40% like... 1 week ago?
stark ridge
such a huge number too
torpid jackal
they just want to ram those raid azerite pieces down everyone's throats i guess
civic palm
People will just use something else. Odd that they want to force 1 gear set and make you compromise ST for AoE and they had SS in there for so long.
ancient compass
The raid azerite pieces got nerfed too
ancient sonnet
thought it was buffed
craggy peak
that’s correct
torpid jackal
now they just want people to select higher ilvl shit
ancient sonnet
thunderous down by 35 too
torpid jackal
due to all traits being garbage
ancient sonnet
literally just funnelling to ilvl
frank shard
Fuck Blizzard man I'm actually just so mad right now
fleet thorn
whats the best trait for assass currently?
ancient compass
Not SS anymore!
white lance
probably gemhide or some fucking shit like that
elfin quartz
F in chat for sin rogues
ancient sonnet
might just be sharpened blades or double dose now?
not sure
since thunderous and ss nerfed
fleet thorn
exactly why I am asking