#assassination | Ravenholdt | Page 3019

spice surge Sep 17, 2018, 5:00 PM

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and then specc the pvp talent

pulsar lake Sep 17, 2018, 5:00 PM

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at this point

spice surge Sep 17, 2018, 5:00 PM

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Fucking 22.5 yards fok

deft locust Sep 17, 2018, 5:00 PM

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yes

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it's awesome

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in pvp

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I love it

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60% slow in a 22 yard radius

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 5:00 PM

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dont you only need 1 trait for that tho?

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Or doeees the range stack

deft locust Sep 17, 2018, 5:00 PM

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1 trait

spice surge Sep 17, 2018, 5:00 PM

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Ye you only need one

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But the dmg

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If you specc the fok lvl 100 talent

ashen lagoon Sep 17, 2018, 5:01 PM

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any one knows if collective Will azerite trade is good to take ? (the world boss just dropped a 370 chest but it does not have SS)

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 5:01 PM

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how much does it hit for

spice surge Sep 17, 2018, 5:01 PM

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Then vanish+nightstalker>fok

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Big blast

deft locust Sep 17, 2018, 5:01 PM

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20k crit I believe with 1 fok

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idk about 3

strange python Sep 17, 2018, 5:01 PM

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it only took me an eternity but finally got 3rd SS, emmi gave me 340 Gonk Outrunner

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 5:01 PM

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gonk outrunneer going straight in the bank

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with my other outlaw gear

strange python Sep 17, 2018, 5:02 PM

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i've been running gorak tul's with no SS so

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very happy

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 5:02 PM

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ay gz man

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 5:02 PM

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im still running 340 Gonk SS shoulders FeelsBadMan

deft locust Sep 17, 2018, 5:02 PM

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same

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 5:02 PM

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need a god tier weekly cache

deft locust Sep 17, 2018, 5:02 PM

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I have 370 shoulders but

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not good enough yet

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370 non ss*

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 5:03 PM

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gonna get either

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385 shoulders with ss

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or galecaller

deft locust Sep 17, 2018, 5:03 PM

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ohhh

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a 385 GC

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that'd be sick

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get me one of those 😮

mossy hazel Sep 17, 2018, 5:03 PM

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God I'd be happy with a 340 GC at this point

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I have 325 loaded dice...

strange python Sep 17, 2018, 5:04 PM

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gotta say it's very annoying to live through the growing pains of the Azerite system

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 5:04 PM

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gonna farm it next week

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easy 370 galecaller

deft locust Sep 17, 2018, 5:04 PM

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whacha mean nadem?

strange python Sep 17, 2018, 5:04 PM

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shit getting changed all the time, traits out of whack totally

deft locust Sep 17, 2018, 5:04 PM

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ah

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I wish

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they'd just give us some special storage

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for azerite gear

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 5:04 PM

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finally got a 355 Galecaller's

deft locust Sep 17, 2018, 5:04 PM

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that'd solve my issue at least

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 5:05 PM

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^

strange python Sep 17, 2018, 5:05 PM

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I mean, it's not like you can respec either since a lot of the time you've farmed 370 gear that turns into trash because the other traits are dogshit

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 5:05 PM

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Legit using 25 bag slots for azerite gear

halcyon glacier Sep 17, 2018, 5:05 PM

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yeeep. got like 20 pieces in bags

strange python Sep 17, 2018, 5:05 PM

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Yeah same

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It's just ridiculous how poorly balanced it is

steel bane Sep 17, 2018, 5:05 PM

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did they hotfix SoF bug?

strange python Sep 17, 2018, 5:05 PM

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It's not like it's "kinda out of wack"

deft locust Sep 17, 2018, 5:05 PM

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yeah I'm afraid to get rid of anything

strange python Sep 17, 2018, 5:05 PM

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it's literally like 200dps vs 3000dps

deft locust Sep 17, 2018, 5:05 PM

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so I've kept every 340+ piece I've gotten that's not a duplicate

halcyon glacier Sep 17, 2018, 5:05 PM

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and also feels pretty bad i'm ilvl 362 but all my azerite pieces are still 340 because none from raids or cache 🤷

deft locust Sep 17, 2018, 5:06 PM

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I burned

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all 4 rolls on H Fetid

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for my SS chest

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got it last hit

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I now have 4 frenetics tho

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#value

cinder palm Sep 17, 2018, 5:06 PM

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I got 370 doom’s wake yesterday. That trinket seems pretty sick

sick oyster Sep 17, 2018, 5:06 PM

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how do we handle dots while specced into exsang? always refresh before pressing it?

halcyon glacier Sep 17, 2018, 5:06 PM

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yes, refresh + make sure you have added pandemic duration too

mossy hazel Sep 17, 2018, 5:07 PM

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I actually need an SS helm, I got LM chest from normal G'Huun

halcyon glacier Sep 17, 2018, 5:07 PM

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only SS helm (afaik) is from shrine end boss

sick oyster Sep 17, 2018, 5:07 PM

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ty

halcyon glacier Sep 17, 2018, 5:07 PM

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so..1 attempt/week for that on m0 at the moment..

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 5:07 PM

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@mossy hazel u want the helm from Mythrax anyway

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atleast for raid

sick oyster Sep 17, 2018, 5:07 PM

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so delaying exang by a bit to setup bleeds is worth it @halcyon glacier ?

calm grail Sep 17, 2018, 5:07 PM

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Got a 385 SS chest from last week's cache. Want a LM helm from Mythrax and we'll... The gold ones from Freehold I guess

mossy hazel Sep 17, 2018, 5:08 PM

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Why the mythrax helm? Isn't that a LM?

halcyon glacier Sep 17, 2018, 5:08 PM

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@sick oyster should only take a second to pop an extra garrote + top off rupture. also if you have galecallers boon use that before hitting exs

calm grail Sep 17, 2018, 5:08 PM

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Yeah

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 5:08 PM

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because LM gives you the uldir buff

mossy hazel Sep 17, 2018, 5:08 PM

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I have LM on chest

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Do I want 2LM 1 SS?

sick oyster Sep 17, 2018, 5:08 PM

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@halcyon glacier tyt

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 5:08 PM

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what chest is that?

halcyon glacier Sep 17, 2018, 5:08 PM

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afaik LM doesn't stack @mossy hazel

calm grail Sep 17, 2018, 5:09 PM

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FD

mossy hazel Sep 17, 2018, 5:09 PM

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https://www.wowhead.com/item=160728/tunic-of-the-sanguine-deity&bonus=4822:1477

Wowhead

Tunic of the Sanguine Deity

This epic leather armor of item level 350 goes in the "Chest" slot. It is looted from G'huun. Added in World of Warcraft: Battle for Azeroth.

halcyon glacier Sep 17, 2018, 5:09 PM

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correction. LM probably stacks, the reorigination array wouldn't stack

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 5:09 PM

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ideally, you want the fetid chest

mossy hazel Sep 17, 2018, 5:09 PM

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LM, and I think Heed

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 5:09 PM

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mythrax helm

calm grail Sep 17, 2018, 5:10 PM

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Unless you get the 385 SS helm from chest

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 5:10 PM

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or that

calm grail Sep 17, 2018, 5:10 PM

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Then LM chest is fine.

wide vine Sep 17, 2018, 5:10 PM

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So you are saying SS is going to get a nerf?

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 5:10 PM

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its not confirmed

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but likely

calm grail Sep 17, 2018, 5:10 PM

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Man if I'd gotten the epaulets at 385 instead of the chest I'd be sitting pretty right now.

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Because of that 355 Conquest piece for free, also Fetid chance

earnest tangle Sep 17, 2018, 5:11 PM

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blizz is gonna nerf everything until only generic dps traits are viable

halcyon glacier Sep 17, 2018, 5:11 PM

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😿

calm grail Sep 17, 2018, 5:11 PM

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Orrrrrr the shit traits are viable

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Which wouldn't be a terrible thing would it?

mossy hazel Sep 17, 2018, 5:11 PM

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I've got G'huun chest (355), Gonk shoulders (340) and Turban helm (340). DD helm, SS shoulders, LM chest

wide vine Sep 17, 2018, 5:11 PM

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So damn annyoing, farm those trait pieces!

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 5:12 PM

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i doubt they'll nerf SS THAT hard though.

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they would completely fuck all sin rogues

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who have been stacking it since day 1

lilac coral Sep 17, 2018, 5:12 PM

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you'd think they would've nabbed it on the first pass with the broken outlaw/sub traits lol

calm grail Sep 17, 2018, 5:12 PM

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I really think it's only "op" on m+ everywhere else it just keeps us viable.

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 5:12 PM

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maybe thats intended

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to make sin viable in m+

calm grail Sep 17, 2018, 5:12 PM

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Exactly.

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 5:13 PM

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we were almost irrelevant in m+ before

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unless you got good PB procs

calm grail Sep 17, 2018, 5:13 PM

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Maybe they don't need to nerf the trait, they just need to buff the others.

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Which would be ideal, for every class.

pulsar goblet Sep 17, 2018, 5:13 PM

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No they need to Nerf it

fallow walrus Sep 17, 2018, 5:13 PM

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pls no nerf

silk sundial Sep 17, 2018, 5:13 PM

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Nerf one trait vs buff 200.

pulsar goblet Sep 17, 2018, 5:13 PM

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It's actually too strong in dungeons

strange python Sep 17, 2018, 5:13 PM

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What's stupid is

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If they nerf it

wide vine Sep 17, 2018, 5:13 PM

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I can accept a small nerf but as you say. Sin wont be needed in m+ anymore if they nerf it too hard

strange python Sep 17, 2018, 5:14 PM

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It'll make us an irrelevant spec

calm grail Sep 17, 2018, 5:14 PM

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Fine line there.

strange python Sep 17, 2018, 5:14 PM

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But they want to nerf it because it makes the other traits irrelevant

bleak jungle Sep 17, 2018, 5:14 PM

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Problem is, it'll hit us really hard in raids

strange python Sep 17, 2018, 5:14 PM

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!wa

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pulsar goblet Sep 17, 2018, 5:14 PM

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They haven't really over nerfed anything else so I think it will be fine

fallow walrus Sep 17, 2018, 5:14 PM

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Implying Frost mage, warlock etc is not almost equally as strong?

bleak jungle Sep 17, 2018, 5:14 PM

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It's gonna be a huge raid dps hit

strange python Sep 17, 2018, 5:14 PM

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Yeah we're not monstruously OP anywhere

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Even with 3xSS

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It's just a trait that is very strong compared to our other traits

pulsar goblet Sep 17, 2018, 5:14 PM

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We are pretty strong in dungeons

strange python Sep 17, 2018, 5:14 PM

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To keep Sin healthy after nerfing SS they'd have to buff other traits a lot too

silk sundial Sep 17, 2018, 5:14 PM

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It'll probably be a 10% nerf.

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 5:15 PM

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i could just be really geared but no one even came close to me in M+ spam this weekend

pulsar goblet Sep 17, 2018, 5:15 PM

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One of the strongest

mossy hazel Sep 17, 2018, 5:15 PM

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Plus in M+ yo uhave speed demon tanks who don't give us a chance to re-stealth for that SS to even work. Lol

hazy pebble Sep 17, 2018, 5:15 PM

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Hey fellow assassins! Have a question! After your opener, when should you refill your garrote/rupture? Given that you have 2 SS and subterfuge as your talent?

deft locust Sep 17, 2018, 5:15 PM

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yeah.. I don't have any real challenge in m+

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 5:15 PM

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^^

deft locust Sep 17, 2018, 5:15 PM

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only a DH sometimes, and only if there are chain pulls

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 5:15 PM

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closest I ever saw so far was a warlock

kind talon Sep 17, 2018, 5:15 PM

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ilvl over traits righht?

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 5:15 PM

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but he wAS 374

deft locust Sep 17, 2018, 5:15 PM

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😮

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 5:15 PM

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lol

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yeah

deft locust Sep 17, 2018, 5:15 PM

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what a man

bleak jungle Sep 17, 2018, 5:15 PM

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@hazy pebble After they fall off completely.

calm grail Sep 17, 2018, 5:15 PM

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The only time I get competed with is boss damage from Affliction locks.

deft locust Sep 17, 2018, 5:15 PM

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wtf

pulsar goblet Sep 17, 2018, 5:15 PM

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It will probably take like a 10% Nerf or something and still be super strong in dungeons, maybe not the best for raid

deft locust Sep 17, 2018, 5:15 PM

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get him on my team

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that man prolly has disgusting ST

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 5:16 PM

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he's in my guild

calm grail Sep 17, 2018, 5:16 PM

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Ohhh and I have a good BM friend. Does decent damage

hazy pebble Sep 17, 2018, 5:16 PM

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@bleak jungle Even rupture?

bleak jungle Sep 17, 2018, 5:16 PM

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Well not rupture. Really at 7.4 or something like that

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Reapply*

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 5:16 PM

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7.4 at 4 CP

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8s at 5CP

hazy pebble Sep 17, 2018, 5:16 PM

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is it bad to reapply below 7.4?

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 5:16 PM

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err 6s at 4CP acutally

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and 7.4 at 5

hazy pebble Sep 17, 2018, 5:17 PM

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where is the numbers comming from?

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 5:17 PM

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not really bad but just min/maxing

lilac coral Sep 17, 2018, 5:17 PM

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we're also one of the few specs that actually has a spec-specific trait as our best trait

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 5:17 PM

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Pandemic is 30% of the time added on

lilac coral Sep 17, 2018, 5:17 PM

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as it should be

deft locust Sep 17, 2018, 5:17 PM

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on that note

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you seen ww's best trait?

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that's some serious dps increase

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o_o

hollow stone Sep 17, 2018, 5:17 PM

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Thunderous blast bis for all dps comin' in hot

deft locust Sep 17, 2018, 5:17 PM

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I hope generics don't become bis

hollow stone Sep 17, 2018, 5:17 PM

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Tblast is so fun to play

deft locust Sep 17, 2018, 5:17 PM

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you trolling?

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_>

bleak jungle Sep 17, 2018, 5:18 PM

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I'm tired of having non spec specific traits as bis. Like it's neat, but feels bad

hollow stone Sep 17, 2018, 5:18 PM

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About the fun, yeah

deft locust Sep 17, 2018, 5:18 PM

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lol okay wasn't sure

lilac coral Sep 17, 2018, 5:18 PM

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we can thank the brave WW's for stealing blizz' attention from SS

hollow stone Sep 17, 2018, 5:18 PM

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But i wouldnt be surprised if it becomes bis..

deft locust Sep 17, 2018, 5:18 PM

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I believe TB is prolly gonna see a nerf too

hazy pebble Sep 17, 2018, 5:18 PM

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@stuck shuttle thanks! when should you reapply non-buffed garrote? 7.4 seconds?

deft locust Sep 17, 2018, 5:18 PM

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since like other outliers, it's so good for everyone

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 5:18 PM

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@hazy pebble 5.4s

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6s should be fine

bleak jungle Sep 17, 2018, 5:18 PM

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5.4s

hollow stone Sep 17, 2018, 5:19 PM

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They cant nerf tblast. Too many classes would lose their shit

bleak jungle Sep 17, 2018, 5:19 PM

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Lul

hazy pebble Sep 17, 2018, 5:19 PM

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Thank you everyone!

deft locust Sep 17, 2018, 5:19 PM

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Actually they could

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I can def. see them doing that

wild crown Sep 17, 2018, 5:19 PM

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or they would be happy that they can use actual traits

deft locust Sep 17, 2018, 5:19 PM

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it's within blizzard's APL

hollow stone Sep 17, 2018, 5:19 PM

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Yea. They absolutely "can" but the backlash would be a hr nightmare 😃

deft locust Sep 17, 2018, 5:20 PM

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I hope they do in fact

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maybe

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the backlash will push some reinventing of some of the spec traits

hollow stone Sep 17, 2018, 5:20 PM

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As most agree the system should be

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Like, it feels bad when a spec specific trait is way down in your sims

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I think frost dk's first frost dk trait is like 5th or 6th for them lol

deft locust Sep 17, 2018, 5:21 PM

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yeah..

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D:

bleak jungle Sep 17, 2018, 5:21 PM

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Yep

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And we frost dks use the traits that do frost damage non trait specific instead

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Non spec specific*

hollow stone Sep 17, 2018, 5:22 PM

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Which is terrible design (imo). Maybe some people like it but..

bleak jungle Sep 17, 2018, 5:22 PM

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Glacial Contagion was top 3 for a week, but not anymore I think

full mural Sep 17, 2018, 5:25 PM

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hmmm haste and mastery are both over agi now

bleak jungle Sep 17, 2018, 5:25 PM

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Mastery shouldn't be over agi atm? Isn't for me anyway

full mural Sep 17, 2018, 5:27 PM

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📎 unknown.png

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maybe cause my haste so high

bleak jungle Sep 17, 2018, 5:28 PM

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Hmm. It's .01 above for you with raid buffs. Without them it'll be below agi probably, but yeah

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How much haste you got

full mural Sep 17, 2018, 5:28 PM

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19.65

bleak jungle Sep 17, 2018, 5:28 PM

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And Crit?

full mural Sep 17, 2018, 5:28 PM

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22

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let me try with the laser matrix chest

bleak jungle Sep 17, 2018, 5:29 PM

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I see. For me, haste>Agi>Crit>Mastery atm. But I've got like 13.50% haste, 26% Crit and 28% mastery

hollow stone Sep 17, 2018, 5:29 PM

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I think its your crit

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Its strange though without running tb

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The other sin rogue in my raid has similar stat prios to you but is running tb and has a lot of crit on his gear

full mural Sep 17, 2018, 5:30 PM

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yea with the laser matrix chest it drops

main blaze Sep 17, 2018, 5:30 PM

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Things get weird if I get a heroic laser matrix helm and a azerite shoulder

ebon garden Sep 17, 2018, 5:30 PM

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355 SS trait from conquest cap reward PogChamp

main blaze Sep 17, 2018, 5:31 PM

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https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sMUHNoXkmRJoV1pVBtk1Dz

Raidbots

Stat Weights - Caeriss - 16,252 DPS - Raidbots

deft locust Sep 17, 2018, 5:31 PM

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300

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ilvl shoulders?

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o_o

main blaze Sep 17, 2018, 5:31 PM

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nah its just a bug

deft locust Sep 17, 2018, 5:31 PM

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o

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 5:31 PM

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https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mpcFTshDYbYmPTct1r7tcg

Raidbots

Stat Weights - Hecktix - 15,266 DPS - Raidbots

deft locust Sep 17, 2018, 5:31 PM

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I was like, wtf

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 5:31 PM

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hate is well above agi for me

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at this ilvl

main blaze Sep 17, 2018, 5:31 PM

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I was mostly just weirded out by the stat weights

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Really nice to get everything like the same weight

deft locust Sep 17, 2018, 5:32 PM

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reminds me of Legion

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when they nerfed secondaries

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to make primary more beneficial again

hazy pebble Sep 17, 2018, 5:32 PM

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What should I try to farm more? the 345 trinket?

📎 unknown.png

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u guys have haste over agi how is that possible..

deft locust Sep 17, 2018, 5:32 PM

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mine is the same way

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haste and mast

full mural Sep 17, 2018, 5:32 PM

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i got a 370 galcallers from shrine yesterday so happy the monk traded it to me

bleak jungle Sep 17, 2018, 5:32 PM

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Mine is always haste over agi

ebon garden Sep 17, 2018, 5:33 PM

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mine is agi>crit>haste>mast>vers

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dont even ask me how

full mural Sep 17, 2018, 5:33 PM

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lol

strange python Sep 17, 2018, 5:34 PM

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WQ for pearl diver's compass is up might be an upgrade for some, 2nd best trink for exsang acccording to herodamage

full mural Sep 17, 2018, 5:34 PM

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oh sweet

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TF master time

bleak jungle Sep 17, 2018, 5:35 PM

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https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jg3UKecLqG2qDCjGMaQ4UP

Raidbots

Stat Weights - Dathceneos - 12,324 DPS - Raidbots

strange python Sep 17, 2018, 5:35 PM

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it didn't even WF for me unfortunately 1% loss ccompared to 360 deadeye

wheat zealot Sep 17, 2018, 5:35 PM

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The weight of your mastery is puzzling

bleak jungle Sep 17, 2018, 5:35 PM

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Mine?

wheat zealot Sep 17, 2018, 5:36 PM

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No @full mural

strange zodiac Sep 17, 2018, 5:36 PM

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You think a 325 helm with SS Would sum higher than a 340 one without ?

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Guess I could just run the sim huh

wheat zealot Sep 17, 2018, 5:36 PM

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monkaHmm

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📎 Screenshot_20180917-133355.png

lilac coral Sep 17, 2018, 5:36 PM

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325's generally simmed worse for me @strange zodiac

full mural Sep 17, 2018, 5:37 PM

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i got a ring the give me 349 haste POG

bleak jungle Sep 17, 2018, 5:37 PM

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@wheat zealot Oof, how are you simming so low

wheat zealot Sep 17, 2018, 5:37 PM

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https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hoSezrTmznzfphAWc6wDHi

Raidbots

Stat Weights - Indicaz - 14,562 DPS - Raidbots

lilac coral Sep 17, 2018, 5:37 PM

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unless you have some really terrible traits on your higher ilvl stuff

wheat zealot Sep 17, 2018, 5:37 PM

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Didnt think it was that low, probably my azerite and no galecallers

bleak jungle Sep 17, 2018, 5:37 PM

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Oh nvm I read that wrong

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Sorry lol, I'm tired

wheat zealot Sep 17, 2018, 5:38 PM

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I think that the nightly build changed? My haste was higher weighted yesterday with the same gear

ebon garden Sep 17, 2018, 5:39 PM

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apparently the simcraft app and raidbots has my weights different by quite a bit, whats more accurate?

wheat zealot Sep 17, 2018, 5:39 PM

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Must be a soft cap with haste where mastery and crit start to come ahead

full mural Sep 17, 2018, 5:39 PM

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I need to ditch this boe dagger

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but no luck

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MAYBE ZUL WILL BLESS ME TONIGHT

strange python Sep 17, 2018, 5:41 PM

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Is the situation of Holding Vanish/Vendetta for 3rd exsang for 10-15s based on fight length/phases? Or just always hold for the big bleeds?

full mural Sep 17, 2018, 5:41 PM

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woops caps

ebon garden Sep 17, 2018, 5:41 PM

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https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6oD7pqLsCj3TUGdsjdcxLG meh

Raidbots

Stat Weights - Kaylin - 12,927 DPS - Raidbots

proven ice Sep 17, 2018, 5:44 PM

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Holding Vendetta for vanish is fine unless the enemy will die in that 20s window.

thin plinth Sep 17, 2018, 5:44 PM

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guys is this normal, i feel like i do waaay less dmg on M+ today then yesterday

full mural Sep 17, 2018, 5:44 PM

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?

wheat zealot Sep 17, 2018, 5:44 PM

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Nothing has changed

full mural Sep 17, 2018, 5:44 PM

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are you garroting less hard

thin plinth Sep 17, 2018, 5:44 PM

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idk 😄

proven ice Sep 17, 2018, 5:45 PM

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Don't start SS hotfix nerf rumors.

wheat zealot Sep 17, 2018, 5:45 PM

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OMEGALUL

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Inb4 stealth nerf

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Lolol

bleak jungle Sep 17, 2018, 5:45 PM

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I know my exact numbers, so I'll be able to tell later

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Every opener SS is 5.6k per tick on tooltip for me, so we'll see lul

full mural Sep 17, 2018, 5:48 PM

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I was doing the same this morning

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so maybe your doing something different

proven ice Sep 17, 2018, 5:48 PM

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your tooltip has tick damage?

wheat zealot Sep 17, 2018, 5:49 PM

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I think he means the debuff tooltip on rhe enemys frame

proven ice Sep 17, 2018, 5:49 PM

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o

mystic marten Sep 17, 2018, 5:49 PM

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Was there a change to assassination? Seems like I'm doing a lot more damage

proven ice Sep 17, 2018, 5:49 PM

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Did poisoned knife get buffed? It's hitting for 2 million

inner pulsar Sep 17, 2018, 5:50 PM

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My auto attack just oneshot Vectis, did we get buffed?

bleak jungle Sep 17, 2018, 5:51 PM

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Envenom giving +100% poison proc now wtf

mossy hazel Sep 17, 2018, 5:51 PM

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Guys I /glared at G'Huun and he just gave up, are we OP?

wheat zealot Sep 17, 2018, 5:51 PM

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Guys is this normal im not oneshotting old raid bosses did we get nerfed?

inner pulsar Sep 17, 2018, 5:51 PM

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But my Garotte is now healing mobs, did that get nerfed?

bleak jungle Sep 17, 2018, 5:52 PM

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Yeah sorry, can't use it anymore

inner pulsar Sep 17, 2018, 5:52 PM

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Tootltip now says "Tourniquet" instead

bleak jungle Sep 17, 2018, 5:52 PM

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Subterfuge mutilate only

inner pulsar Sep 17, 2018, 5:52 PM

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Rogue Heal Spec inc!

strange python Sep 17, 2018, 5:53 PM

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herodamage doesnt list zandalri trolls, is their racial trash?

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 5:53 PM

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we don't know their racials yet

strange python Sep 17, 2018, 5:54 PM

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oh

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 5:54 PM

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they're still hidden

limber wind Sep 17, 2018, 5:54 PM

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my mutilate just changed icon to hemorrhage, are they reworking assa rogues?

calm grail Sep 17, 2018, 5:55 PM

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Uhhh

steel bane Sep 17, 2018, 5:55 PM

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what?

calm grail Sep 17, 2018, 5:55 PM

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Screenshot?

bleak jungle Sep 17, 2018, 5:55 PM

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Lul

inner pulsar Sep 17, 2018, 5:55 PM

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Yeap, changing spec to Triage Rogue. Going to be a new heal spec

bleak jungle Sep 17, 2018, 5:55 PM

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He's meming

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Please guys

steel bane Sep 17, 2018, 5:55 PM

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shroud of suffocation still bugged?

bleak jungle Sep 17, 2018, 5:55 PM

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Yep

inner pulsar Sep 17, 2018, 5:55 PM

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WOrking as intended

bleak jungle Sep 17, 2018, 5:56 PM

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Getting nerfed soon anyways

mossy hazel Sep 17, 2018, 5:56 PM

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Triage rogue actually sounds pretty fun. Lol

bleak jungle Sep 17, 2018, 5:56 PM

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More than likely

normal forge Sep 17, 2018, 5:56 PM

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AT what point you want to take exsang over tb?

fading adder Sep 17, 2018, 5:56 PM

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We think SS is in a good spot right now. It’s working as intended

bleak jungle Sep 17, 2018, 5:56 PM

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For burst @normal forge

indigo verge Sep 17, 2018, 5:57 PM

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what do u guys think about the G - R - G - Mut -R - Vendetta - Exsang opener over the one on ravenholdt

normal forge Sep 17, 2018, 5:57 PM

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Oh, its independent of SS power?

wheat zealot Sep 17, 2018, 5:57 PM

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@indigo verge thats the opener i use

outer pivot Sep 17, 2018, 5:57 PM

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!wa

prisma monolithBOT Sep 17, 2018, 5:57 PM

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Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

bleak jungle Sep 17, 2018, 5:57 PM

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It makes a big add burst or phase burst difference @normal forge

mossy hazel Sep 17, 2018, 5:57 PM

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Wait, that's not what's on RH right now? I thought that was the go-to for exsang already

indigo verge Sep 17, 2018, 5:57 PM

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yeh it's basically just vendetta later, but im not sure which one does more damage

wheat zealot Sep 17, 2018, 5:57 PM

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But with galecallers and troll racial before exsan of course, but that depends on you

indigo verge Sep 17, 2018, 5:58 PM

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why is it important to have haste before exsang?

mossy hazel Sep 17, 2018, 5:58 PM

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Snapshot

wheat zealot Sep 17, 2018, 5:58 PM

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Exsan snapshotd the haste value

mossy hazel Sep 17, 2018, 5:58 PM

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It's not dynamic

inner pulsar Sep 17, 2018, 5:58 PM

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Zandalari Troll Racial right?

wheat zealot Sep 17, 2018, 5:58 PM

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Yee

indigo verge Sep 17, 2018, 5:58 PM

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ah ok

fading adder Sep 17, 2018, 5:58 PM

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Interesting place to put snapshotting

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Is that working as intended?

tulip falcon Sep 17, 2018, 5:59 PM

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where in the rotation should i use galecallers?

normal forge Sep 17, 2018, 5:59 PM

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right before vendetta/exsang i believe

inner pulsar Sep 17, 2018, 5:59 PM

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Where should I use Fathoms in the rotation?

strange python Sep 17, 2018, 6:00 PM

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lol

proven pumice Sep 17, 2018, 6:00 PM

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I didn't realize we weren't supposed to use the Ravenholdt exang opener

wheat zealot Sep 17, 2018, 6:02 PM

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When am i supposed to roll harlans dice in opener?

paper root Sep 17, 2018, 6:02 PM

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Does anybody have a mouseover kick macro that works? i want to be able to interupt in m+ etc without having to switch targets all the time

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Could probably do well with a similar macro for garrote and rupture, as i usually garrote/rupture 3 targets out of stealth

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ive tried /cast [@mouseover,exists] kick; kick and a few other variations without getting the macro to work when i already have a traget

vestal wren Sep 17, 2018, 6:04 PM

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/cast [@mouseover, exists, harm][] kick

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should work

inner pulsar Sep 17, 2018, 6:04 PM

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#showtooltip
/cast [@mouseover,exists] ShadowStep; [@focus,exists] ShadowStep; Shadowstep

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Replace shadowstep with kick

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 6:04 PM

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@proven pumice whats wrong with the ravenholdt opener

proven pumice Sep 17, 2018, 6:05 PM

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Scroll up above my comment

inner pulsar Sep 17, 2018, 6:05 PM

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ANd then it will Kick your mouse over, if no mouseover it will kick your focus, if no focus it will kick your target

median marsh Sep 17, 2018, 6:05 PM

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how do you guys sim for M+ again? my stat weights are all over the place between add cleave and 3 targets * 2 minutes

proven pumice Sep 17, 2018, 6:05 PM

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People were saying they don't use it in favor of a different opener

wheat zealot Sep 17, 2018, 6:05 PM

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The exsang opener listed on RH is different then what you see in every log using exsan

paper root Sep 17, 2018, 6:05 PM

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will try the macro!

tropic osprey Sep 17, 2018, 6:06 PM

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!ss

prisma monolithBOT Sep 17, 2018, 6:06 PM

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Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

tropic osprey Sep 17, 2018, 6:06 PM

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Still bugged^ :O

median marsh Sep 17, 2018, 6:06 PM

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how do you guys sim for M+ again? my stat weights are all over the place between add cleave and 3 targets * 2 minutes

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😦

paper root Sep 17, 2018, 6:07 PM

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ah that macro worked, just have to make sure i face the caster

ripe nimbus Sep 17, 2018, 6:07 PM

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I sim for M+ by asking the same question twice

paper root Sep 17, 2018, 6:07 PM

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can i do the same with rupture and garrote?

tender rune Sep 17, 2018, 6:07 PM

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any good guide? 😃

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 6:07 PM

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@proven pumice what opener is that?

inner pulsar Sep 17, 2018, 6:07 PM

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Yes

paper root Sep 17, 2018, 6:07 PM

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but just delete the focus part and if no mouseover itll use it on my target+

proven pumice Sep 17, 2018, 6:07 PM

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They move Vendetta to be after the second rupture

inner pulsar Sep 17, 2018, 6:08 PM

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That should work yes

wheat zealot Sep 17, 2018, 6:08 PM

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@tender rune look up and youll see the link

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pins

tender rune Sep 17, 2018, 6:08 PM

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ty, better than icy-veins?

wheat zealot Sep 17, 2018, 6:08 PM

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By far

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Imo

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 6:08 PM

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@proven pumice all the top logs im looking at are using the RH opener

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can u show me an example of one using a different opener?

strange river Sep 17, 2018, 6:09 PM

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how many targets do I need to cast crimson tempest over envenom

proven pumice Sep 17, 2018, 6:09 PM

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No, I can't.

hazy pebble Sep 17, 2018, 6:09 PM

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!ss

prisma monolithBOT Sep 17, 2018, 6:09 PM

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Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

proven pumice Sep 17, 2018, 6:09 PM

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I'm just now learning of this new opener myself

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 6:10 PM

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yeah i dont see how moving vendetta to later is goign to make a difference

hazy pebble Sep 17, 2018, 6:10 PM

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wait this is bugged?

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 6:10 PM

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which is why I ask

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yes its bugged

bleak jungle Sep 17, 2018, 6:10 PM

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Yes it's bugged

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Very annoying bug

hazy pebble Sep 17, 2018, 6:11 PM

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I was opening with garr > envenom > garr > Mutilate > Rupture > Vengence

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should i not be doing this

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 6:11 PM

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whats vengence lol

inner pulsar Sep 17, 2018, 6:11 PM

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No

sand whale Sep 17, 2018, 6:11 PM

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wuuut

inner pulsar Sep 17, 2018, 6:11 PM

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Not even

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 6:11 PM

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the opener is in the guide above

bleak jungle Sep 17, 2018, 6:11 PM

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Yikes

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 6:11 PM

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yikes

delicate gull Sep 17, 2018, 6:11 PM

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You want a pandemic rupture for your exsanguinate

hazy pebble Sep 17, 2018, 6:11 PM

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!!

hollow stone Sep 17, 2018, 6:12 PM

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The only shift i may make in the exsang opener is the mut before vend. But idk if thats worth it

hazy pebble Sep 17, 2018, 6:12 PM

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I dont use exsangunate tho

proven pumice Sep 17, 2018, 6:12 PM

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Does anyone know how to summon Noobe without angering him by tagging him

spice surge Sep 17, 2018, 6:12 PM

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There is a opener for tb in the guide too

hollow stone Sep 17, 2018, 6:12 PM

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Tb opener is different from exaang opener

spice surge Sep 17, 2018, 6:13 PM

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@lone junco Thy shalt be summoned for a fella has a question for you

proven pumice Sep 17, 2018, 6:13 PM

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Oh dear

spice surge Sep 17, 2018, 6:13 PM

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😄

proven pumice Sep 17, 2018, 6:13 PM

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You did it

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You tagged him

hollow stone Sep 17, 2018, 6:13 PM

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Just say his name 3 times in front of the mirror

inner pulsar Sep 17, 2018, 6:13 PM

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Biggie Smalls, Biggie Smalls....

hazy pebble Sep 17, 2018, 6:14 PM

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"Garrote
Rupture
Garrote
Vendetta
Toxic Blade
Envenom"

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this says to overwrite garrote

spice surge Sep 17, 2018, 6:14 PM

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and/or go back to azuna and paint a pentagram with the wq

hazy pebble Sep 17, 2018, 6:14 PM

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should you not be doing this then?

pulsar goblet Sep 17, 2018, 6:14 PM

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Yes because you want it at Max duration

mossy hazel Sep 17, 2018, 6:14 PM

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Yea, it's not an overwrite, it's pandemic

opaque grotto Sep 17, 2018, 6:14 PM

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It extends your garrote

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Not overwrite

hazy pebble Sep 17, 2018, 6:14 PM

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!ss

prisma monolithBOT Sep 17, 2018, 6:14 PM

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Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

mossy hazel Sep 17, 2018, 6:14 PM

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Gives yo uthe longest duration garrote possible and it's empowered

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 6:14 PM

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@hazy pebble that is outside of subterfuge buff

opaque grotto Sep 17, 2018, 6:15 PM

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Yes we’re aware, what does that have to do with what you asked

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 6:15 PM

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rewriting it within subterfuge

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is different from rebuffing outside

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the bug happens outside of subterfuge

hazy pebble Sep 17, 2018, 6:15 PM

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oh

proven pumice Sep 17, 2018, 6:15 PM

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Assuming you're talented into Subterfuge

hazy pebble Sep 17, 2018, 6:15 PM

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so you should let it run off

proven pumice Sep 17, 2018, 6:15 PM

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Which you should be

opaque grotto Sep 17, 2018, 6:15 PM

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Subterfuge is the same as stealth

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 6:16 PM

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@proven pumice i dont see any openers delaying vendetta to after the 2nd rupture

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I'd like to see the reasoning behind it

primal gazelle Sep 17, 2018, 6:17 PM

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Does the bug work in reverse? If I have garotes on 2-3 targets, I use vanish and ggg, do they buff the previous ones?

proven pumice Sep 17, 2018, 6:17 PM

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That's why I'm trying to summon Noobe

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He's always given me thorough answers

strange river Sep 17, 2018, 6:17 PM

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thats an interesting question

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 6:17 PM

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@lone junco where art thou

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it could be to get more ticks out of your 2nd SS garrote

proven pumice Sep 17, 2018, 6:18 PM

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In the meantime, @wheat zealot has stated every log has the opener not found on RH

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Maybe he can shed some light onto this mystery

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 6:18 PM

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im looking at top logs for each boss in Uldir for sin rogues

indigo goblet Sep 17, 2018, 6:18 PM

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!ss

prisma monolithBOT Sep 17, 2018, 6:18 PM

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Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

wheat zealot Sep 17, 2018, 6:19 PM

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Its not a major change from RH opener

hazy pebble Sep 17, 2018, 6:19 PM

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sorry guys I'm still confused, the opener is the only one affected with SS, and if SS is okay within subterfuge, when does this bug actually matter?

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 6:19 PM

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for multi target

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if you garrote 4x targets

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you lose the buff

proven pumice Sep 17, 2018, 6:20 PM

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Yeah, it doesn't come into play on ST

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UNLESS an add spawns

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While you have an empowered garrote ticking

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Then you don't put garrote on the new target

wheat zealot Sep 17, 2018, 6:20 PM

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Guide on rh uses vendetta before mut rupture

hazy pebble Sep 17, 2018, 6:20 PM

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oh, so all your SS empowered garrote is lost if you garrote a 4th target?

strange python Sep 17, 2018, 6:21 PM

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what r u guys using for m+

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stat wise

mossy hazel Sep 17, 2018, 6:21 PM

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Yea, that bug kept screwing me up on Zul and Zek... Bad habit of just garroting as soon as I see a new add, even if I just came out of vanish garrote a few seconds ago

warm cove Sep 17, 2018, 6:21 PM

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mastery

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my sims tells me to get mastery, even though i'm at like 30%

wheat zealot Sep 17, 2018, 6:21 PM

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I see many logs delaying vendetta until after the mut/rupture and using directly before exsan @stuck shuttle

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 6:21 PM

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can you link me ?

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@wheat zealot

wheat zealot Sep 17, 2018, 6:21 PM

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Im not homet

mossy hazel Sep 17, 2018, 6:21 PM

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Yea you odn't need a lot of haste for multi target since you'll get so much energy regen from all the dots

wheat zealot Sep 17, 2018, 6:21 PM

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Home*

silk sundial Sep 17, 2018, 6:21 PM

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Mastery is good for aoe. With galecallers you can get over not having as much haste for st

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 6:22 PM

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All the top 5 logs I see use the RH opener

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for eahc uldir boss

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atelast in Heroic

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and Mythic

wheat zealot Sep 17, 2018, 6:22 PM

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When i get home ill link

warm cove Sep 17, 2018, 6:22 PM

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i know that mastery is good for aoe, but my char, for whatever reason, wants mastery for st

fervent finch Sep 17, 2018, 6:22 PM

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https://imgur.com/gallery/CSSQ5UK

Imgur

Boxing

▶ Play video

silk sundial Sep 17, 2018, 6:22 PM

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Then you need more

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 6:22 PM

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i just dont see the reasoning since you would want vendetta up ASAP

warm cove Sep 17, 2018, 6:22 PM

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its weird though, isn't 30% mstery alot?

silk sundial Sep 17, 2018, 6:22 PM

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If you neglect one Stat it will eventually be top

fervent finch Sep 17, 2018, 6:22 PM

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me going vendetta on a sandbag

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 6:23 PM

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and you want it's CD to be up ASAP

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maybe for better timing on exsang.

silk sundial Sep 17, 2018, 6:23 PM

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You using mp/tb? That would explain mastery being high

chrome cedar Sep 17, 2018, 6:23 PM

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does garroting from subterfuge count as "from stealth"?

warm cove Sep 17, 2018, 6:23 PM

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exang

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i can show u @silk sundial

hazy pebble Sep 17, 2018, 6:23 PM

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Given the SS bug, how should you be doing dps on 4+ targets? just garrote 3 targets at first until they all run off?

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 6:23 PM

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yes

primal gazelle Sep 17, 2018, 6:24 PM

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@stuck shuttle maybe because we would have to delay the 2nd vendetta anyways? to 2:20 cos of vanish

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 6:24 PM

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don't use a 4th garrote

wheat zealot Sep 17, 2018, 6:24 PM

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I thought it was for better timing on exsang too, im unsure if it actually makes any difference though

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 6:24 PM

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@primal gazelle that could be it

hazy pebble Sep 17, 2018, 6:24 PM

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@stuck shuttle thanks! 😄

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 6:24 PM

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but you lose vendetta buffed SS on the first ticks of garrote

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anyway

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so its very minimal difference i assume, if any

warm cove Sep 17, 2018, 6:24 PM

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https://gyazo.com/ab8a4c8631cd6ae4330f88025b0f26cf @silk sundial and my stat weights are https://gyazo.com/985074320f12a5d5c01e9200692ab921

Gyazo

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 6:25 PM

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could just be easier for timings which could be worth

hollow stone Sep 17, 2018, 6:25 PM

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I dont recommend this as its super risky but i managed to get 4 garrs in my subt window last night 😄

wheat zealot Sep 17, 2018, 6:25 PM

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Oml this again

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OMEGALUL

hazy pebble Sep 17, 2018, 6:25 PM

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thought Assassin was gonna be ez as fk, but theres a bit of depth into the class

warm cove Sep 17, 2018, 6:25 PM

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are you hacking?

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 6:25 PM

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gonna do mythic taloc with a 340 grp

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 6:25 PM

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@hazy pebble thats what the memers want you to believe

wheat zealot Sep 17, 2018, 6:26 PM

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Ez

hollow stone Sep 17, 2018, 6:26 PM

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"Working as intended"

warm cove Sep 17, 2018, 6:27 PM

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im gonna be a legion sin with 200% mastery soon

silk sundial Sep 17, 2018, 6:27 PM

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@warm cove you're at a point where almost everything is even, so any ilvl upgrade will be an overall upgrade

warm cove Sep 17, 2018, 6:27 PM

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ah yea i guess, just thought my crit looked low

hybrid pasture Sep 17, 2018, 6:30 PM

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If I’m using Subterfuge, is there any combo other than vanish/garrote I should be comboing with vanish?

hazy pebble Sep 17, 2018, 6:30 PM

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vendetta?

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 6:31 PM

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only 3 garrotes in subterfuge with 75% haste. negatory on the 4th.

📎 GGG.png

strange python Sep 17, 2018, 6:31 PM

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why do we garrote garrote ?

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 6:31 PM

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maybe bat man could do it tho

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st or m=?

warm cove Sep 17, 2018, 6:31 PM

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longer garrote = long = nice

proven pumice Sep 17, 2018, 6:31 PM

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Noobe. You're here.

hazy pebble Sep 17, 2018, 6:31 PM

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@strange python pandemic

proven pumice Sep 17, 2018, 6:32 PM

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I have an important question for you

strange python Sep 17, 2018, 6:32 PM

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aye aye

hollow stone Sep 17, 2018, 6:32 PM

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Yeah man. I have no idea how or why it worked. Thought i f'd up but after the 4th garr, garr wasnt on cd.. 🤔

bleak jungle Sep 17, 2018, 6:33 PM

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Still won't apply the SS though

chrome cedar Sep 17, 2018, 6:33 PM

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what is SS?

bleak jungle Sep 17, 2018, 6:33 PM

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Read debuff tooltip, you'll see

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Shrouded suffocation

tulip falcon Sep 17, 2018, 6:33 PM

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is there a way to use vanish on a dummy without resetting the meter?

snow surge Sep 17, 2018, 6:33 PM

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is simc calculating shrouded suffocation correctly?
it says i should use it on my shoulders and chest, but i dont see that the damage stacks, and i dont get 5CP

spice surge Sep 17, 2018, 6:33 PM

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Have overall dps showed @tulip falcon

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And remember to reset it between pulls

radiant atlas Sep 17, 2018, 6:34 PM

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@snow surge only the damage stacks, the CP will always be +2 no matter how many SS traits you have

bleak jungle Sep 17, 2018, 6:34 PM

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The damage stacks massively. The combo points don't @snow surge

spice surge Sep 17, 2018, 6:34 PM

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@snow surge Damage always stacks. Secondary effect never does. Its like that with every trait

hollow stone Sep 17, 2018, 6:34 PM

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The only way i know of, pug, is to have a friend in group also hitting the dummy

snow surge Sep 17, 2018, 6:34 PM

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thank you, i was trying to see if the damage changed on the debuff on my target but it still says the same

hollow stone Sep 17, 2018, 6:35 PM

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Elseem's answer seems like a better plan lol

bleak jungle Sep 17, 2018, 6:35 PM

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No, it definitely changes pudim

hazy pebble Sep 17, 2018, 6:35 PM

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@bleak jungle is SS buff not discrete? do they do more as we have more traits?

bleak jungle Sep 17, 2018, 6:35 PM

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Debuff changes from 1k to 5.5k on debuff tooltip for me without fail

silk sundial Sep 17, 2018, 6:35 PM

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@lone junco did you say you use galecallers with the juju trinket? Do they not share a gcd?

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 6:35 PM

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you can /use/use

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i bound them to vendetta

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75% haste with lust.

snow surge Sep 17, 2018, 6:36 PM

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it's a bit strange, have damage increase on a bleed that i apply only in the opener and when i vanish doesnt seem as powerful as dagger in the back, for example

winter fog Sep 17, 2018, 6:36 PM

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what is the correct way to use vanish/vendetta after the opener? In the opener we use vendetta before vanish, but I want to use vanish before vendetta in fight to start with a buffed garrote, right?

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 6:36 PM

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goes so fast that your main hand auto is like machinegun. and no right hand animations.

silk sundial Sep 17, 2018, 6:36 PM

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Most trinkets have a shared cd that's why I wasn't sure. I don't have it to try it

snow surge Sep 17, 2018, 6:36 PM

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@bleak jungle wait, its 550 increase per tick?

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 6:36 PM

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@winter fog vendetta, vanish, g g rupture exsang

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 6:36 PM

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yeah idk. its about 600haste 10 sec. 1min cd.

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 6:36 PM

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if youre running exsan

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 6:36 PM

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so it works nicely

bleak jungle Sep 17, 2018, 6:37 PM

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@hazy pebble They multiply with Subterfuge really well is why. It's about 2k damage per tick on tooltip per azerite @snow surge

silk sundial Sep 17, 2018, 6:37 PM

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Does galecaller work with other use trinkets?

bleak jungle Sep 17, 2018, 6:37 PM

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Per azerite*

proven pumice Sep 17, 2018, 6:37 PM

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@lone junco people in here today said to not use the RH opener for SS exang

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And instead delay Vendetta until after the pandemic rupture

winter fog Sep 17, 2018, 6:37 PM

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@stuck shuttle exactly, but my vendetta gets ready roughly 18s before my vanish - so delaying the 2nd vendetta is right?

proven pumice Sep 17, 2018, 6:37 PM

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Can you confirm/deny?

hazy pebble Sep 17, 2018, 6:37 PM

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@bleak jungle Thank you

spice surge Sep 17, 2018, 6:37 PM

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Well then you get a shorter exsanged rupture

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 6:37 PM

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yes @winter fog

snow surge Sep 17, 2018, 6:37 PM

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@bleak jungle oh my, i just tried it and i think i wasnt looking properly before
from 3750 per tick to 5400

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 6:37 PM

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@strange python the mid block vanish gg is to nail the full length pandemic . you could g r g. or r g g depending on cps at vanish

hazy pebble Sep 17, 2018, 6:38 PM

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engineering head vs SS head. Thoughts?

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 6:38 PM

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@proven pumice gotta tag me @ its going too fast.

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people in here today said to not use the RH opener for SS exang And instead delay Vendetta until after the pandemic rupture

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?

bleak jungle Sep 17, 2018, 6:38 PM

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@snow surge I can make my garrotes Crit nearly 30k ticks

winter fog Sep 17, 2018, 6:38 PM

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@stuck shuttle same question for exsanguinate - do I wait for my 3rd exsanguinate at roughly 2:15 or do I delay my 2nd exsanguinate?

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 6:38 PM

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u line up 1st and 4th exsang

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with vendetta and vanish

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2nd and 3rd on CD as close as you can with pandemic bleeds

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 6:39 PM

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well. rh opener was set by weak. I can say that the ONLY goal of vendetta in that opener is to overlap with as much of the SS as possible.

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ss pre exang. and ss after vanish

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20 sec.

proven pumice Sep 17, 2018, 6:39 PM

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@lone junco they said instead of opening G-R-G-V-Mut-R-Exang, you do G-R-G-Mut-R-V-Exang

bleak jungle Sep 17, 2018, 6:39 PM

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@hazy pebble You want mythrax helm for raids. Otherwise SS outside of raids

winter fog Sep 17, 2018, 6:40 PM

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@stuck shuttle ok - after I use exsang I have to fully let rupture/garrote tick right? Pandemic would lose the exsang effect, wouldnt it?

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 6:40 PM

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yes

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 6:40 PM

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If you map out the buff overlaps of SS and Vendetta. the best case is guaranteed to be the one with the most ticks of SS. @proven pumice

rancid oxide Sep 17, 2018, 6:40 PM

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If I'm unable to do the proper opener on pull due to having to do mechanics (getting mc'd on mythrax for example) what do I do with my vanish?

winter fog Sep 17, 2018, 6:40 PM

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@stuck shuttle alright, thanks for your help

proven pumice Sep 17, 2018, 6:40 PM

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@lone junco that sounds like you want vendetta as close to SS garrotes as possible

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 6:40 PM

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@rancid oxide you just have to play it by scenario

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 6:40 PM

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tldr, you are pushing the vendetta after the rupture, but it then extends into the vanish GG>

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i dont think it matters

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 6:41 PM

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yeah i dont see that change being that much different

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you still lose vendetta buff on first ticks of SS

bleak jungle Sep 17, 2018, 6:41 PM

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@snow surge You should burst 30k+ on ST opener. And Garrote should Crit 20-25k

nimble tartan Sep 17, 2018, 6:41 PM

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🙂

hollow stone Sep 17, 2018, 6:42 PM

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Your vanish gg will still be on during the end of vend w the opener you noted @proven pumice @lone junco

hazy sphinx Sep 17, 2018, 6:42 PM

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wait

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Im opening as

spice surge Sep 17, 2018, 6:42 PM

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Yeah it doesnt really matter if you vendetta before or after mut

hazy sphinx Sep 17, 2018, 6:42 PM

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g r g exasng vendeta(trinkets)

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 6:42 PM

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nope

spice surge Sep 17, 2018, 6:42 PM

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But you should vendetta before rupture

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 6:42 PM

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you fully pandemic both bleeeds

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before exsang

spice surge Sep 17, 2018, 6:42 PM

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Otherwise you lose out on 2 secs of rupture for exsang

hazy sphinx Sep 17, 2018, 6:42 PM

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i just vanish after that

spice surge Sep 17, 2018, 6:43 PM

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Wat

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 6:43 PM

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thats all wrong

hazy sphinx Sep 17, 2018, 6:43 PM

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and reapply

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 6:43 PM

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lol

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read the opener in the guide

bleak jungle Sep 17, 2018, 6:43 PM

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Walk us through full opener boys, they need it

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 6:43 PM

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IF YOU OPEN WITH A /USE THAT ISNT HASTE.

You would want that /use to be snug against exang. and vendetta must overlap that as well.

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agi /crit/mastery what not.

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 6:43 PM

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g r g v m r exsang m evenomx3 vanish gg r

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 6:43 PM

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but the vendetta timing i dont see to matter that much.

rancid oxide Sep 17, 2018, 6:44 PM

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Last night I had my outlaw main hand equipped for normal taloc so I had to spam FoK the whole fight

hazy sphinx Sep 17, 2018, 6:44 PM

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Interesting

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Was doing the opener wrong. Damn you Infexious\

snow surge Sep 17, 2018, 6:44 PM

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switching back from sin to outlaw, after getting my 370 daggers
me, playing assassination again
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hazy sphinx Sep 17, 2018, 6:44 PM

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Was still doing solid. Guess I could be doing better

snow surge Sep 17, 2018, 6:45 PM

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Single tear runs down my cheek

bleak jungle Sep 17, 2018, 6:45 PM

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@rancid oxide Why the fuck didn't you just equip your dagger mid pull....

hazy sphinx Sep 17, 2018, 6:45 PM

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Seriously lol

hollow stone Sep 17, 2018, 6:45 PM

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Hecktix nailed it

warm cove Sep 17, 2018, 6:45 PM

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i swapped from outlaw with 350 weps now playing sin with 330 daggers @snow surge

rancid oxide Sep 17, 2018, 6:45 PM

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You can swap weapons in combat?

sand whale Sep 17, 2018, 6:45 PM

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looool

bleak jungle Sep 17, 2018, 6:45 PM

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......

hazy sphinx Sep 17, 2018, 6:45 PM

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You aint never ran away from a druid by switching to fishing artifact i guess

bleak jungle Sep 17, 2018, 6:45 PM

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You've been able to swap weapons in combat for over a decads

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Decade*

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 6:45 PM

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wanna get sillly, you can MH a 2.6 in your M+ open.

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incase your dps is higher there.

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g g g ct fok fok rupture fok fok rupture fok fok env.

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all 2.6 capable

thin plinth Sep 17, 2018, 6:46 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCHLKAg_1xU

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is this a thing ?

spice surge Sep 17, 2018, 6:46 PM

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Yeeeessss

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 6:46 PM

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is your dps bad? you bugged SS

hollow stone Sep 17, 2018, 6:47 PM

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Lol. Maximum cheese, noobe

bleak jungle Sep 17, 2018, 6:47 PM

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@rancid oxide weapon swapping in combat has been here for literal yeara

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Years*

hollow stone Sep 17, 2018, 6:47 PM

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Reminds me of the kspree cheese from back in the day

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 6:47 PM

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@hollow stone i really tried.

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with 4p20 and 2ss

rancid oxide Sep 17, 2018, 6:47 PM

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Well even if I swapped my weapon my dmg still would have been bad, I was in my full outlaw set

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2x dead shot and a tb

gray hazel Sep 17, 2018, 6:49 PM

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is SS still bugged for having more than 1?

spring lantern Sep 17, 2018, 6:49 PM

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Sometimes my Garrote on pull only generates 1 combo point even though I have Subterfuge buff up and it doesn't incur a Cooldown it's weird

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 6:49 PM

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if opener can be synced to pull that vanish up in time. that would be a gain. I HATE the desync.

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but its not gonna happen.

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 6:49 PM

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!ss

prisma monolithBOT Sep 17, 2018, 6:49 PM

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Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 6:50 PM

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@gray hazel not bugged for ST and only for more than 3x on MT

gray hazel Sep 17, 2018, 6:50 PM

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I thought the original bug was with the damage stacking?

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 6:50 PM

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bugs are gonna bug

gray hazel Sep 17, 2018, 6:50 PM

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with having more than 1 SS trait

bleak jungle Sep 17, 2018, 6:50 PM

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No @gray hazel

gray hazel Sep 17, 2018, 6:50 PM

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kk

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thanks

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!

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 6:50 PM

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that was fixed 1 weeka fter release

proven pumice Sep 17, 2018, 6:51 PM

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Y'all excited about the patch announcement tomorrow?

warm cove Sep 17, 2018, 6:51 PM

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Is nelf racial able to proc ss? Im getting 3 combo points if i stand still > racial > garrote but never paid attention to wheter the garrote actually gets ss buff or not

bleak jungle Sep 17, 2018, 6:51 PM

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If you can restealth off it, yes

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Otherwise no

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By that I mean, I don't think it'll work in raids

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 6:52 PM

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no @warm cove

warm cove Sep 17, 2018, 6:52 PM

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So when i get 3cp i can assume its buffed then

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 6:52 PM

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u cant use it in a raid scenario atleast

warm cove Sep 17, 2018, 6:52 PM

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Ok but Why is it trolling me then, giving 3cp?

bleak jungle Sep 17, 2018, 6:52 PM

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^

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Idk, watch the debuff tooltip

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Then let us know

warm cove Sep 17, 2018, 6:53 PM

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Will do

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 6:53 PM

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if nelf racial procced SS, I'd swap to alliance

bleak jungle Sep 17, 2018, 6:53 PM

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Not a nelf so I can't test

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Sameee

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 6:53 PM

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that would be truly broken

bleak jungle Sep 17, 2018, 6:53 PM

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It'd be so good lmao

inner pulsar Sep 17, 2018, 6:53 PM

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Lol, from MMO Champ thread regarding SS "No, it's a terrible trait. All the top rogues I know are rerolling feral druid because SS is such a bad trait."

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 6:53 PM

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pmuch 1 min straight of SS buffed garrotes

warm cove Sep 17, 2018, 6:54 PM

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Bc i get 3 cp when im able to stand completely still, both in m+ and raid

sand whale Sep 17, 2018, 6:54 PM

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that's fine with me I hope blizzard takes mmo champ's word for it

bleak jungle Sep 17, 2018, 6:54 PM

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Go test it and watch the damage, next time you're in a raid

hollow stone Sep 17, 2018, 6:54 PM

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Feral druid bis class

inner pulsar Sep 17, 2018, 6:54 PM

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Haha

hollow stone Sep 17, 2018, 6:54 PM

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Nothing wrong with feral at all

rancid oxide Sep 17, 2018, 6:54 PM

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What is feral druid?

proven ice Sep 17, 2018, 6:54 PM

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nightelfs can shadow melt shadow strike. Thank god it doesn't pop subterfuge

bleak jungle Sep 17, 2018, 6:54 PM

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Feral is balanced, duh

warm cove Sep 17, 2018, 6:55 PM

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Will do

sand whale Sep 17, 2018, 6:55 PM

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don't put your poisons on then voila you're a feral druid

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energy starved and all

hollow brook Sep 17, 2018, 6:55 PM

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I have a feeling it is giving you the SS trait bonus but not the sub talent bonus damage

bleak jungle Sep 17, 2018, 6:56 PM

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^

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 6:56 PM

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@warm cove if you want. just look at the garrote values 8k-25kcrit = ss. 2k-5kcrit not ss.

bleak jungle Sep 17, 2018, 6:56 PM

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Which is what's truly important

sand whale Sep 17, 2018, 6:56 PM

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it probably deals the extra

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but not empowered

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 6:56 PM

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neat

bleak jungle Sep 17, 2018, 6:56 PM

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Yeah

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 6:56 PM

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but not that neat

warm cove Sep 17, 2018, 6:56 PM

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is there enyway outside raid i can try it?P

sand whale Sep 17, 2018, 6:56 PM

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since you won't get sub with meld

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 6:56 PM

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you can log at a dummy

thin plinth Sep 17, 2018, 6:56 PM

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since when does this bug exist / 😄

bleak jungle Sep 17, 2018, 6:57 PM

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It's not gonna be that strong since no subt buff but still

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 6:57 PM

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ss?

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it never worked, then it worked broken.

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that is now

warm cove Sep 17, 2018, 6:57 PM

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raiders training dummy?

hollow brook Sep 17, 2018, 6:58 PM

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Free damage is free damage

warm cove Sep 17, 2018, 6:59 PM

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does it matter if i try shadowmeld on raider dummy or regular?`

hollow brook Sep 17, 2018, 6:59 PM

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Not to mention additional cp's

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Not really, as long as you compared them. The damgage values will just be inflated a bit.

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*to the same dummy.

hollow stone Sep 17, 2018, 7:01 PM

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Meld 100% gives the garr silence in arena which implies it gives ss buff but no subterfuge. Im horde so cant test but rogues have definitely used it like this on me in arena

warm cove Sep 17, 2018, 7:02 PM

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https://gyazo.com/362dddac86e5d6be95f12c00db7427ce

Gyazo

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one garrote from shadowmeld

strange python Sep 17, 2018, 7:02 PM

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give me next week affixes already

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assa is gonna fly on trash packs

hollow stone Sep 17, 2018, 7:03 PM

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I can guarantee in +10 you'll have infected. Tip jar is on my desk, you're welcome

warm cove Sep 17, 2018, 7:03 PM

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https://gyazo.com/fdee121ead71ba8440f26d084f70934b one garrote from stealth

Gyazo

rancid oxide Sep 17, 2018, 7:03 PM

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What's infected?

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Kappa

warm cove Sep 17, 2018, 7:03 PM

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so it just gives me extra combopoints

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no buff

hollow brook Sep 17, 2018, 7:04 PM

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No sub buff

bleak jungle Sep 17, 2018, 7:04 PM

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Fsaand

warm cove Sep 17, 2018, 7:04 PM

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but extra combopoints are nice i guess

bleak jungle Sep 17, 2018, 7:04 PM

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Do one without any stealth

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And show us

hollow brook Sep 17, 2018, 7:04 PM

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Do 1 garrote no stealth no meld

bleak jungle Sep 17, 2018, 7:04 PM

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^

warm cove Sep 17, 2018, 7:05 PM

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https://gyazo.com/ad2c8b879f908513b605b40f5de1ac64

Gyazo

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nelfs broken

bleak jungle Sep 17, 2018, 7:05 PM

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Yeah it works worth SS

hollow brook Sep 17, 2018, 7:05 PM

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30k

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Oh boi.

warm cove Sep 17, 2018, 7:05 PM

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dont tell blizzard

bleak jungle Sep 17, 2018, 7:05 PM

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With*

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 7:05 PM

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📎 unknown.png

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yay wee did it

inner pulsar Sep 17, 2018, 7:05 PM

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Brb race change

bleak jungle Sep 17, 2018, 7:06 PM

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Same, Brb changing to nelf

warm cove Sep 17, 2018, 7:06 PM

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ey guys

bleak jungle Sep 17, 2018, 7:06 PM

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Gotta go parse

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Lul

warm cove Sep 17, 2018, 7:06 PM

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this might be the reason to why i sometimes i get orange logs even with 330 weapons

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 7:06 PM

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im orc

inner pulsar Sep 17, 2018, 7:06 PM

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Hahahaaha

bleak jungle Sep 17, 2018, 7:07 PM

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35k more damage at lowest

hollow brook Sep 17, 2018, 7:07 PM

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2m CD for 2 cp and 35k dmg? Seems nice

bleak jungle Sep 17, 2018, 7:07 PM

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No buffs either

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Yeah, it'll only equate to more after buffs

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Definitely a decent filler and add silencer

warm cove Sep 17, 2018, 7:08 PM

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only bad thing i see

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is that it seems to tick 9 times instead of 10

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https://gyazo.com/8ec26e89df7d5a0d1e5e8d6baafa134c

Gyazo

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but, thats not really a bad thing

bleak jungle Sep 17, 2018, 7:09 PM

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Yeah, even then it's still doing 35k+ and two extra cp

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 7:09 PM

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Guys i got rank1 log as an orc ama

tame cobalt Sep 17, 2018, 7:09 PM

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how does rotation change with galecallers? do i hold cds or anything?

warm cove Sep 17, 2018, 7:09 PM

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ye i mean now it did 45k with 3 crits

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imagine all crits

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with buffs

bleak jungle Sep 17, 2018, 7:09 PM

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Good shit exeo

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Amafu, just make sure you gale before exsang

tame cobalt Sep 17, 2018, 7:10 PM

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do i hold exsang for trink?

bleak jungle Sep 17, 2018, 7:10 PM

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But use gale on CD

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Not sure on that one

tame cobalt Sep 17, 2018, 7:11 PM

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rip 😄

silk sundial Sep 17, 2018, 7:13 PM

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I think it was discussed above. It was a 1-2% dps decrease to hold exang.
You want to save exang, vanish, gc and vendetta for 2:20 though

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 7:13 PM

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You just usee every cd off cd

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only thing u hold is vanish/veendetta for eachother

tender rune Sep 17, 2018, 7:14 PM

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TB > exsanguin?

civic forge Sep 17, 2018, 7:15 PM

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sim yourself

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 7:15 PM

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📎 unknown.png

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feel like the dps are quite equal in our grp here

proven ice Sep 17, 2018, 7:15 PM

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What boss?

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 7:15 PM

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taloc mythic

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 7:15 PM

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gonna show this to people that talk about clipping the exang so there is no down time. Super lolz.

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📎 ad2c8b879f908513b605b40f5de1ac64-png.png

nova nest Sep 17, 2018, 7:15 PM

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damn my taloc perf is so low

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idk what

proven ice Sep 17, 2018, 7:16 PM

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My group has tanks tank the adds in the slime, so our melee is idle for transition

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 7:16 PM

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Dont look at my logs

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i made many mistakes

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actually it was a joke run, we didnt think boss would die

silk sundial Sep 17, 2018, 7:17 PM

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That other rogue lol

warm cove Sep 17, 2018, 7:17 PM

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pff, i did 17k dps as 350

sacred seal Sep 17, 2018, 7:17 PM

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370 ilvl, wtf?:-D

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 7:17 PM

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mythic+

hybrid pasture Sep 17, 2018, 7:17 PM

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If I’m not running nightstalker, should I still be vanish/rupture comboing?

inner pulsar Sep 17, 2018, 7:18 PM

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Yeah, you shit all over that other guy

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 7:18 PM

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hes my padawan

silk sundial Sep 17, 2018, 7:18 PM

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The whole I had bad rng thing and had to do mechanics doesn't apply to sin much

inner pulsar Sep 17, 2018, 7:19 PM

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Tell him to press his buttons harder

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 7:20 PM

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Yeah

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You can ignore almost all mechanics as sin

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and eveen if you have to do them

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you can just refresh dots beforee

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 7:21 PM

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if anyone is on Na Thrall Horde. 👀

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I keed. no time for mythic.

spring lantern Sep 17, 2018, 7:22 PM

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Do I open ST Opener on Zul, then immediately vanish?

inner pulsar Sep 17, 2018, 7:23 PM

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How much is a +10 run going for these days?

thin plinth Sep 17, 2018, 7:23 PM

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so guys we currently do way less dmg on aoe ?

warm cove Sep 17, 2018, 7:23 PM

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not if the adds lives for a while

fossil jewel Sep 17, 2018, 7:24 PM

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in higher keys my aoe dmg has been pretty high compared to other classes

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 7:24 PM

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ggg wheeee

warm sable Sep 17, 2018, 7:25 PM

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Whats the best Gem for Assasin items ... is it Haste or Agility

lofty sand Sep 17, 2018, 7:25 PM

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currently we have respectful aoe damage

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 7:27 PM

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legit someone

warm sable Sep 17, 2018, 7:27 PM

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I was always used Haste one but i don't know should i take agility one . Or just stay with haste

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 7:27 PM

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in my raid grp for mythic

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was advertising his +10 boost in the grp

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u know the group is shit then

hollow stone Sep 17, 2018, 7:32 PM

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Sims are really useful when both gems are +40

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Whichever weight is higher is the gem you should use

warm cove Sep 17, 2018, 7:33 PM

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you can also do gear compare too see exact dps with different gems equipped

hollow stone Sep 17, 2018, 7:33 PM

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@onyx wind you need those low dps so you can rank 1 😃

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Theyre just helping out

warm cove Sep 17, 2018, 7:33 PM

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y'

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we all helping him to get r1

hollow stone Sep 17, 2018, 7:34 PM

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You can even sim your gear w an agi gem and with just haste gems

tame cobalt Sep 17, 2018, 7:48 PM

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when does haste become not the best stat?

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got 1510 and galecallers and still bis

high venture Sep 17, 2018, 7:49 PM

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which weapons should i try to get?

plush pike Sep 17, 2018, 7:49 PM

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Is 1 uldir azrite and 2x ss better then 3x ss yet?

spice surge Sep 17, 2018, 7:50 PM

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Depends on your ilvl, but most likely

plush pike Sep 17, 2018, 7:50 PM

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Its what 3 stacks on tue?

spice surge Sep 17, 2018, 7:51 PM

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yes

silver egret Sep 17, 2018, 7:51 PM

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one stack per week

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3 bosses to get a stack

spice surge Sep 17, 2018, 7:52 PM

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75 of your highest secondary per stack

high venture Sep 17, 2018, 7:56 PM

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which mythic weapon u recommend to me for this class? ty

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 7:57 PM

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dagger

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mythic version

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 7:58 PM

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@tame cobalt in cleave, mastery and crit are best, haste is worst.

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gl

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(when you fok, you gain nothing from haste, and cp gen is based on crit)

terse pawn Sep 17, 2018, 7:59 PM

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sin does so much damage

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 7:59 PM

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just dont bug it

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and your friends will think you tried really hard.

crimson basin Sep 17, 2018, 7:59 PM

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No gear switch in dungeons sucks

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 8:00 PM

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g tab
g tab
g ct

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hooray

safe wraith Sep 17, 2018, 8:02 PM

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I see a lot of people taking toxic blade in m+, is there any particular reason?

final stone Sep 17, 2018, 8:02 PM

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@high venture TD daggers

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 8:02 PM

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@safe wraith odd preference.

final stone Sep 17, 2018, 8:02 PM

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@final stone unless mythic mother

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 8:03 PM

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TB is fine

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for non-tyrannical

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 8:03 PM

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I like Exang for Fortified baddies.

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specifically for prio targets.

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but probably depends on group st burst.

solar zealot Sep 17, 2018, 8:03 PM

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What is the best sim method? Should we be using full buffs and lust or untick everything for raw numbers? Which is the most accurate for determining Stat weights and top gear?

terse pawn Sep 17, 2018, 8:03 PM

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i like toxic better for m+

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 8:04 PM

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@solar zealot raid Single target, or m+?

terse pawn Sep 17, 2018, 8:04 PM

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except on tyrannical

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mostly too lazy to set up exsang on trash so it goes unused

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 8:04 PM

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i use it every pull

solar zealot Sep 17, 2018, 8:04 PM

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Both I suppose but mainly m+

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 8:04 PM

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some pulls get vendetta and or vanish.

terse pawn Sep 17, 2018, 8:04 PM

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but not using exsang is my biggest issue with sin atm, still learning to fix that lol

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wow analyzer said i used 7/12 exsang during zek the other night lmao

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 8:05 PM

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vectis and other bosses with phases fuck up your usage. zek should be pretty constant.

terse pawn Sep 17, 2018, 8:05 PM

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yeah i'm just a shitter with it

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 8:05 PM

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@solar zealot raidbots and simc addon will help you pick gear. there are vids.

terse pawn Sep 17, 2018, 8:05 PM

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need to put exsang in a more visible spot since i don't use WAs

meager knoll Sep 17, 2018, 8:06 PM

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what do you guys think about the uldir azerite traits? are they still worth having outside of uldir?

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not sure how the sim takes that into account

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 8:07 PM

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sims dont count the uldir buff

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unless you want it to

solar zealot Sep 17, 2018, 8:07 PM

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@lone junco I use them already, I was just curious what is really the most accurate way of doing it for raw dps. But I suppose it is pretty dependant on content.

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 8:07 PM

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I sim better with Laser Matrix even outside of the uldir buff

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just due to higher ilv

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ilvl*

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 8:08 PM

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@solar zealot raw dps . . . i mean. i use 6T 20s or 40s depending on the duration of trash. 1T 2min with buffs for bosses. 1T 20 sec for prio no buffs.

all of them tend to say the same things. SS is a god in m+

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but crit in cleave and haste in st.

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maybe the dungeon tools that Aethys is putting together will actually be helpful

flint swift Sep 17, 2018, 8:09 PM

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Loot delivered through the mail that would otherwise be tradeable should be tradeable.

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 8:09 PM

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https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/combinations-3a/hd-t22-assassination-exsg

Hero Damage

Class theorycrafting community, latest simulation results and resources -based on SimulationCraft- for World of Warcraft.

strange python Sep 17, 2018, 8:09 PM

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So i got Galecallers

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 8:10 PM

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📎 unknown.png

strange python Sep 17, 2018, 8:10 PM

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and got Harlans (345) and Construct Overcharger (355)

final stone Sep 17, 2018, 8:10 PM

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@strange python well everyone isnt as cool as you lol

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 8:10 PM

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@strange python grats. gc is nice

strange python Sep 17, 2018, 8:10 PM

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do use-trinkets Sim?

final stone Sep 17, 2018, 8:10 PM

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Jk grats

solar zealot Sep 17, 2018, 8:10 PM

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Ok fair enough, what tool is that going to be? Also, appreciate the help and information @lone junco

flint swift Sep 17, 2018, 8:10 PM

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I missed out on galecallers because my busy forgot to click the chest

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 8:10 PM

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@strange python sim yourself

flint swift Sep 17, 2018, 8:10 PM

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Buddy*

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 8:10 PM

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https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/combinations-3a/hd-t22-assassination-exsg

Hero Damage

Class theorycrafting community, latest simulation results and resources -based on SimulationCraft- for World of Warcraft.

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 8:10 PM

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but Galecallers and harlan should be best

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Overcharger is a bit undertuned for a raid trinket

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 8:10 PM

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dungeon will have a boss and some trash. can check out the talents and trinket lists

rotund grove Sep 17, 2018, 8:11 PM

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anyone who has a Frenetic Corpuscle did you guys notice that the damage got nerfed? but it seems to be procing more. a 375 one was at like 25k damage but now mine is at 6k

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 8:11 PM

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when we look at this chart, remember that the opener is GGR not GGG. so it should be even higher than that.

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rotund grove Sep 17, 2018, 8:12 PM

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this change must have been a hotfix and they haven't put any notes out about it yet and it's the same on wowhead/raidbots/simcraft.

tough wedge Sep 17, 2018, 8:14 PM

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does the first garrote with shrouded suffocation keep that dmg buff throug the whole fight if you never drop it?

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 8:14 PM

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no

flint swift Sep 17, 2018, 8:14 PM

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No

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 8:14 PM

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reapplying gets rid of it

flint swift Sep 17, 2018, 8:15 PM

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As soon as you refresh it outside of the stealth/subterfuge window, it does normal damage

tough wedge Sep 17, 2018, 8:15 PM

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aah i see

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thanks

warm geode Sep 17, 2018, 8:19 PM

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!ss

prisma monolithBOT Sep 17, 2018, 8:19 PM

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Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

meager knoll Sep 17, 2018, 8:19 PM

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blizz wtf, fix

tropic hull Sep 17, 2018, 8:19 PM

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!aoe

warm geode Sep 17, 2018, 8:20 PM

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is funny , with snap shoot at antorus was a blast, insta fix, now, this shit is for 7days and no one bats an eye

hollow stone Sep 17, 2018, 8:21 PM

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This ss bug has been like a month. Just sayin

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If they ever fix it. I dont think i will get used to that 4th non-ss emp garr

dawn plume Sep 17, 2018, 8:21 PM

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So does shrouded suffocation stack? I thought I saw somewhere that it doesn’t

hollow stone Sep 17, 2018, 8:21 PM

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Itll feel so weird

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Cps do not. Dmg does

proper igloo Sep 17, 2018, 8:22 PM

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so with the bug what is ur guys opener

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 8:22 PM

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bug doesn't affect ST

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only multi target

proper igloo Sep 17, 2018, 8:22 PM

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oh ok

meager knoll Sep 17, 2018, 8:23 PM

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well, naturally it affects ST too, since you will be reapplying a stronger one with a weaker one

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 8:23 PM

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well youre messing up the rotation if you get the bug on ST

dreamy elk Sep 17, 2018, 8:23 PM

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Crimson Tempest worth using on 2 targets or just stick to rupture?

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 8:23 PM

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so it doesn't matter anyway

dreamy elk Sep 17, 2018, 8:23 PM

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(For prioritizing)

hollow stone Sep 17, 2018, 8:23 PM

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It doesnt effect st if you do the rotato correctly

meager knoll Sep 17, 2018, 8:23 PM

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yes yes, I agree.. doesn't really matter, but should know how it works

opal meadow Sep 17, 2018, 8:23 PM

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whats the bug?

proper igloo Sep 17, 2018, 8:23 PM

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arent you casting 1 garrote out of stealth?

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at the beginning?

hollow stone Sep 17, 2018, 8:23 PM

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Yes. But in the subt window

warm geode Sep 17, 2018, 8:24 PM

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Blizz: So, for the assassins we change ur game play a little bit, now u can apply more garrotes with cd reduced
Assassins: Nice, ty bliz
Blizz: but, if u apply more the 3 with subterfuge u will lose more then 50% dps

proper igloo Sep 17, 2018, 8:24 PM

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i mean out of the window

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 8:24 PM

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you cast 2 garrotes in opener

hollow stone Sep 17, 2018, 8:24 PM

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The bug occurs outside subt window

proper igloo Sep 17, 2018, 8:24 PM

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garrotte rupture garotte then

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nevermind ur right

hollow stone Sep 17, 2018, 8:24 PM

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No. You wait until your ss emp garr COMPLETELY falls off before using a non ss emp garr

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Dont clip it early

tough whale Sep 17, 2018, 8:25 PM

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^

proper igloo Sep 17, 2018, 8:25 PM

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anyone have weakauras that will tell you when to not clip and let run out

warm geode Sep 17, 2018, 8:25 PM

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garrote>garrote>garrote>rupture>fok>rupture and goes on till the last garrote fall off so u can apply garrotes without the bonus damage prom stealth ( for aoe )

tough whale Sep 17, 2018, 8:25 PM

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Just use brain

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 8:25 PM

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lol

proper igloo Sep 17, 2018, 8:25 PM

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im playing assassin

opal meadow Sep 17, 2018, 8:26 PM

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that bug triggers me so hard wtf

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 8:26 PM

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BuT mUh AdDons

hollow stone Sep 17, 2018, 8:26 PM

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Im fairly certain somebody posted one somewhere in here but if you can remember 25sec ago, you have bigger problems than your rotato :p

silk jolt Sep 17, 2018, 8:26 PM

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https://imgur.com/a/iXvsRes

Imgur

proper igloo Sep 17, 2018, 8:26 PM

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im trying to write my term paper while dpsing bosses here

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 8:26 PM

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@silk jolt what percentile is that

tough whale Sep 17, 2018, 8:26 PM

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Shadow priest at second? is that 50%?

proper igloo Sep 17, 2018, 8:26 PM

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its heroic im pretty sure

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 8:26 PM

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not op btw

proper igloo Sep 17, 2018, 8:26 PM

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75 heroic i believe

silk jolt Sep 17, 2018, 8:26 PM

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thats mythic+ representation i think

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not dps

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obvs

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just saying sin rogues are great in m+

haughty parrot Sep 17, 2018, 8:27 PM

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It is m+

tough whale Sep 17, 2018, 8:27 PM

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Dont you love people linking random sheets with 0 info and then trying to extrapolate that into some kind of bias

hollow stone Sep 17, 2018, 8:27 PM

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Sin rogues are bis for m+. Prove me wrong

tough whale Sep 17, 2018, 8:27 PM

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"hey heres burst phases for normal mother in 3rd room"

haughty parrot Sep 17, 2018, 8:27 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/5WzRazo.png

Imgur

neon ember Sep 17, 2018, 8:27 PM

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Shit that damage chart indicates a fairly big Nerf incoming soon.

zealous lily Sep 17, 2018, 8:28 PM

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that's an uhh display error

hollow stone Sep 17, 2018, 8:28 PM

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Lol

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 8:28 PM

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95th % tho

barren spindle Sep 17, 2018, 8:28 PM

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dungeons tho lol

iron prism Sep 17, 2018, 8:28 PM

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!talents

tropic hull Sep 17, 2018, 8:28 PM

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but sin is trash Kappa

opal meadow Sep 17, 2018, 8:28 PM

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Wonder how soon till SS gets nerfed 😦

iron prism Sep 17, 2018, 8:28 PM

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@haughty parrot shhhhhhhhhh

warm geode Sep 17, 2018, 8:29 PM

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tomorrow
Blizz: The trait SS will be fixed
Assassin: Nice, Ty blizz
Blizz: now the tooltip is change so the bug is the "current" way to play and the trait dont stack

opal meadow Sep 17, 2018, 8:29 PM

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lol

tropic hull Sep 17, 2018, 8:29 PM

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ss will be nerfed hard it's obv

hollow stone Sep 17, 2018, 8:29 PM

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Frost mages be mad that we do their job better than they do while doing more dps

strange python Sep 17, 2018, 8:30 PM

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Holy hekhekhek what difference Galecallers do!