assassination

[lofty sand]

you rarely overlap EP anyways

[onyx wind]

: )

[vestal abyss]

Yeah but if youre in TB and you can cast Envenom 3 times you might aswell spread thme out over the TB window

[onyx wind]

Which is why u wait for EP to have .1 sec remaining on it

or spam the last one if you dont have time for that

[vestal abyss]

word

[lofty sand]

Casting 3 env on a TB window is not really that common

you usually aim for 2

[vapid lagoon]

how have yall been finding galecaller

[onyx wind]

Doeesnt change the point at all

Havent been finding it in the m+ cache yet

[lofty sand]

I got it 350 from a m0

[vapid lagoon]

kind of feels mediocre for me with so much movement going on

[open elbow]

Hey guys, what makes Assa so far above all specs on Warcraft logs stats ?

[vestal abyss]

it deals more damage

[onyx wind]

@open elbow damage

[lofty sand]

^

[open elbow]

Well, that simple 😄

[onyx wind]

It deals a lot of damage compared to most specs

Very advanced explanation

[lofty sand]

Well, its a dps spec, it does damage. If it does more damage then its going to be on top of the dps logs 🤔

[onyx wind]

Still no arcane hotfix ^_^

[wooden island]

Best azerite traits for assa pvp?

[onyx wind]

depends on

2v2

3v3

and comp

^_^

[vapid lagoon]

https://thelootdistrict.com/pvpstats/

[lofty sand]

you can get good advice on that in #pvp as well as it was made for that purpose

[wooden island]

Ww rogue reso dudu rmp and disc rogue

[onyx wind]

rmp twist thee knife

ww rogue SS

disc rogue i would go for twist the knife aswell

if you run smokee bomb*

[wooden island]

I feel ss is so weak in arena

[onyx wind]

If you dont run smoke bomb, ss is beetter

[weak ibex]

Is AMR reliable anymore?...its telling me some crazy shit lol

[vapid lagoon]

raidbots

[onyx wind]

SS is weeak if you dont know how to use it

[fiery sedge]

did they remove the ability to import and export bigwigs profiles?

sorry its not really related

[onyx wind]

But yeah, its hard to execute

[vestal abyss]

Being a NELF gives you an extra restealth

[lofty sand]

I dont think that works friend

[onyx wind]

Easiest way to do it is just vanish when 2-3 targets are in range of rupture

[wooden island]

Care to elaborate? Im stuck at 2.3 as ww resto dudu n rogue

[vestal abyss]

it does

[lofty sand]

oh pvp

[onyx wind]

Or vanish rupture before kidney full

garrote*

sorry

[lofty sand]

my b I wasnt paying attention

[onyx wind]

i dont meean rupture

But you should always be playing smoke bomb

in 3v3

[vestal abyss]

exeovandaag om 13:33
GARROTE
ITS GARROTE

[onyx wind]

AHHH

[opaque junco]

GERROT

[vapid lagoon]

pikaboo for example says to never take smoke bomb on sin

[opaque junco]

Not taking smoke bomb is a sin

[onyx wind]

Weird

[vapid lagoon]

i have no real opinion, just saying pvp inst much of an exact science

[onyx wind]

Maybe my info is outdated

[opaque junco]

Well that guy in the arena tournament used smoke bomb on sin

[vestal abyss]

smoke bomb is really good in certain comps

[opaque junco]

Not very good with names

[vestal abyss]

against mages for example

[dawn dragon]

Depends on comp, playstyles

[onyx wind]

also getting a smoke bomb kill feels sick

[opaque junco]

^

[wooden island]

Ye i feel creeping/manuverability is better then bomb

[wheat zealot]

Exsan burst feels so good in pvp

[onyx wind]

I think you only run maneuvurabilititty vs mage/dk

[wheat zealot]

I love using it in bgs especially

[vestal abyss]

does meanveuerubriertlity break root?

[onyx wind]

no meanivirabiltooty doesnt break root

[vestal abyss]

bummer

[opaque junco]

Manouvera what now

[wooden island]

Yeeh vs mage i always for manuverability

[onyx wind]

ye its sick

[vestal abyss]

instead of creeping?

[onyx wind]

Usually creeping does more for mee than system shock¨

[opaque junco]

Systemshock is nice with mfd and tb to delete someone out of nowhere

[onyx wind]

true

[opaque junco]

But I don't find it as useful when running exsang

[silk jolt]

creeping does like 2% of my damage in arenas

so lacklustre

[opaque junco]

Better vs melees who like to adadadadad :^)

[brisk forge]

There is a pvp Chanel for this topic

[opaque junco]

But it's also assa topic

[slender hare]

man sin has some sick potential on the first boss in underrot this m+ week

with SS garotte on boss and the second add

[onyx wind]

You need likee 60k overall dps for thatshitty boss

on +14

[slender hare]

yaeh

2nd boss is awful as well on tyrannical

[onyx wind]

If you join an underrot grp

and see frost mage

[slender hare]

the stumpy dog one that shits all over

[onyx wind]

leeave

Yeah

[slender hare]

lul

[onyx wind]

First boss is worse imo

[urban storm]

Yea first boss is rough

[slender hare]

we did it yesterday with hero, first boss got destroyed

[onyx wind]

impossible on +14 with a frost mage

theey just do shit st

[slender hare]

true, we were DH, sin, arms

so bit different lol

[onyx wind]

Yeah, we had to tank it to +12

to do it

[slender hare]

damn

[mellow cypress]

How is assa doing this week. How is m+ feeling with cleave pulls compared to outlaw?

[slender hare]

sin is great this week

just throw out them SS garrotes

[olive shore]

azerite items suck

period

[novel lake]

what dps should i reach with 358 item lvl ?

[mellow cypress]

Outlaw took a pretty heavy nerf, thinking about switching

[novel lake]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fdZhaGnNQFCHWwBbzUzoRK

[onyx wind]

this is beest week for assa

[olive shore]

got new 370 items and they worst of the worst azerite traits

[little burrow]

traits from raids suck for both ass and outlaw to be honest

[mellow cypress]

I’ve got 3x 340 shrouded suffocation pieces, they seem good.

[mint osprey]

Laser matrix is good

[vestal abyss]

does +14 give better loot than +10?

or just more loot

[onyx wind]

Just more loot i think

[thorn grove]

More loot

[little burrow]

there is a cap

[onyx wind]

Still drops +10

gear

[mellow cypress]

Laser matrix only good in uldir. Trash for m+

[slender hare]

@mellow cypress would deffo give sin a go if you have 3 SS, its insane in m+

[little burrow]

I only have 2 SS its still really good

[slender hare]

yeah

[onyx wind]

Just do +14 and 15 for big m+ score

[mint osprey]

2ss and 1 laser matrix is a fantastic all around build

[mellow cypress]

Cool. My daggers are only 340 compared to 370 outlaw weps but I think I’ll still give it a go

[onyx wind]

Idk about that though

[silver egret]

i did a +11 waycrest and i lost all desire to do anything anymore lmao

[mint osprey]

What are the affixes tomorrow?

[slender hare]

fort, quaking

[mellow cypress]

Hopefully not sanguine again. Ffff

[onyx wind]

Think tyrannical switches every week

fort quaking

[mint osprey]

Yes

[onyx wind]

biiiiig

[mint osprey]

And what else

[onyx wind]

vanish on every pack

[slender hare]

teeming

[mint osprey]

Yessssss

Another good week

For assass

[onyx wind]

ye its good

actually freelo

[little burrow]

do yall run CT or bomb for M+

[onyx wind]

deepends on the dungeon

[silver egret]

so prob ggg ct vanish then ggg ct again?

[mint osprey]

CT tomorrow for sure

[silver egret]

if theres like 6 mobs in the pack

[mint osprey]

Yes

[onyx wind]

Yeah i guess CT is superior this week

Last week it was 50/50

Finally i can actually farm galecalleers neext week

[magic zenith]

Yay tyranical is going away for week

[slender hare]

yea did 4 +10 shrines this week for galecaller

wanted to die

[magic zenith]

Tiny easy bosses became such huge pains in the ass

[onyx wind]

i did too

Actually brain damaging

To pug shrine

[slender hare]

yea...

had a BM hunter who instantly nuked all the little adds on last boss T_T

[magic zenith]

Last boss in shrine is actual cancer

[onyx wind]

Think its mostly because people dont know what to do

[ember ermine]

I did one +6 and a DH got a 370 Galecaller's 😃

[onyx wind]

I legit typeed

"i interrupt

in combat

[mellow cypress]

Pugging lower and mid keys is actually the most cancer. Higher teams are at least competent.

[onyx wind]

and theey still used theirs

I kept typing

[tender ore]

i hate galecallers, everytime i use it the tank decides to pull mobs 8 miles away

[magic zenith]

Hell I did a shrine 0 and we kept wiping on the second boss because no one else was interrupting or clearing stacks

[onyx wind]

"i interrupt"

I gueess theyre having such a hard time pereforming their rotation

Theyre not looking at the screen

[ember ermine]

xeno its their job to screw us out of dps

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[onyx wind]

Using galecallers in m+

big balls

[ember ermine]

I always do

[slender hare]

would use if i had it

got a 380 dead eye yesterday though so cant complain

[onyx wind]

not bad not bad

still rocking fathoms

and 370 dice

[slender hare]

yea fathoms is still with me as well

[neon sequoia]

best 3v3 comps with assass rogue?

[mental fiber]

kings rest and tol dagor have the haste daggers right? am I missing one? not in game atm

[onyx wind]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rL1v8spZ1DAFmHAwitfdJ3

Still using crit gems

[torn hornet]

How much haste you got unbuffed

Just wondering

[onyx wind]

16.5

[candid kayak]

!ss

[prisma monolith]

Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

[slender hare]

oh wow that 395 ring

[torn hornet]

3 SS?

[onyx wind]

1 shuriken 2ss

@slender hare Lucky me

[ember ermine]

my guildie has 370 scope, 370 and 380 dice, and one other trinket

[noble imp]

Anyone able to explain the !ss command - I read it as the first 1-3 garrotes, on other targets, also lose their dmg buff?

[onyx wind]

You read it correctly

Thats the bug

[noble imp]

That explains, so many fucking things

holy moly

[onyx wind]

Have fun actually doing dps now

[neon sequoia]

wait so

[vestal zodiac]

whats the amount of targets required for CT>envenom

[neon sequoia]

you use 3 garrotes on separate targets

and unbuffed on 4th

they will all do the normal dmg

[onyx wind]

yes

[noble imp]

Apparently so @neon sequoia

[neon sequoia]

okay ty

[silk jolt]

basically never use an unbuffed garrotte until SS has fallen off

simples

[neon sequoia]

thats bad

[onyx wind]

So you cant garrote ur vendeetta target in m+

Feels really bad

[ember ermine]

is there a WA to track SS?

[onyx wind]

Havent found one

But pretty sure there is

shouldnt be too hard to make

[vestal abyss]

what do you mean track SS

[onyx wind]

suppose he means

[mint osprey]

Track the time remaining on your longest as garrote

[onyx wind]

track if your rupture has subterfuge amplifier

GARROTE

AHHHHHHH

[vestal abyss]

lel

[mint osprey]

Ss garrote

[onyx wind]

big player

[brave gyro]

What is your KB opener peeps?
I am asking, since the Exsang one in the guide is incorrect, so I assume the KB one might be too.

[onyx wind]

what is KB

[mint osprey]

KB?

[brave gyro]

TB

[mint osprey]

The fuck are we in legion

Lil kingsbane

[onyx wind]

just

[wise socket]

Is there a guide on how to use Galecaller?

[onyx wind]

same shit

[ember ermine]

oof

[brave gyro]

i think Kingsbane, never forget PepeHands

[onyx wind]

but dont reefresh rupture in opener

g r g vendetta tb

spam envenoms

[ember ermine]

But yeah thats what i meant exeo

KB = KB Toys

pepehands

[small island]

so the exsang opener is wrong? whats the correct one

[teal locust]

Hi, does Shrouded Suffocation count for Shadowmeld? It seems like it dont count for Subterfuge.

[neon sequoia]

does anyone know viable 3's comps with assa rogue?

[onyx wind]

it dont my b

[ember ermine]

hirschy try the pvp channel

[neon sequoia]

okay ty

[onyx wind]

g r g vendetta mut rup exsang

is correct opener

[ember ermine]

if that doesnt work pm

me

[wise socket]

When do i use Galecaller trinket on pull?

[brave gyro]

Garr > Rup > Garr, Mut to 5
Gale > Vendetta > Rup refresh > Exsang
Muti > env until garrote will expire
get 2/3 cp > Vanish > Garrote > Rup > Garrote

@small island

[strange python]

@neon sequoia im doing 3's with 2 pallys every now and then. Great fun

[autumn bloom]

Av, use it in vendetta before exsang

Since exsang snaps your haste

[onyx wind]

@brave gyro thats wrong

[brave gyro]

i didnt include exsang, but that is the opener

[onyx wind]

Its an opeener

[brave gyro]

what is wrong @onyx wind

[onyx wind]

is it THE opener?

no its not

You want to veendetta asap

for garrote uptime

[autumn bloom]

His vendetta is fine where it is

[onyx wind]

Its finee

is the optimal?

no

[autumn bloom]

It covers the exsang which is what matters

[brave gyro]

You lose energy if u vendetta early

[wise socket]

So Gr rupture gr vendetta galecaller mutil rupture exang?

[onyx wind]

why would you waste time learning a suboptimal opener

[autumn bloom]

Yeah av that's fine

[wise socket]

yeah but when do i use galecaller in it

[onyx wind]

with vendetta

[wise socket]

okay ty

[onyx wind]

usee every cd with vendetta

[brave gyro]

literally the only difference is you vendetta before you mute, its identical otherwise

[torn hinge]

the next exng after the opener, do you guys always refresh rup and garrote bafore using it or use exng on cd?

[modest oyster]

On 3/4 targets you would proritise getting rupture up on each before using CT right?

[onyx wind]

@torn hinge yes

[brave gyro]

@torn hinge you refresh both, not worth exsang if u dont have garrote 20sec+

[onyx wind]

@modest oyster no, ct is top prio

get ruptures afteer ct

[modest oyster]

[torn hinge]

and the 3rd exang, align it with vend + vanish or not worth waiting ~15 secs ?

[slender hare]

align

[brave gyro]

^

[vestal abyss]

I've gotten 12 rings off pvp but 0 weapons

just wanted to vent

[onyx wind]

feelsbadman

375 with socket and 365

crit/haste

here

[brave gyro]

I've gotten so many 370s at this point, still rocking 340 daggers 😭

[onyx wind]

You havent gotten a singlee upgradee token?

[brave gyro]

havent really pvp-ed

i meant in general

[onyx wind]

oh

pvp is best way to get good weps

havent gotten a single dagger drop off anywhere but pvp

since 340

[calm grail]

Pray to the cache.

[onyx wind]

Just spammeed 250 arenas

now im decked

[calm grail]

Got 385 SS chest last week. I probably used up all of my luck already.

[torn hinge]

@onyx wind how do the upgradee token in pvp work? is it in weekly chest only?

[onyx wind]

@torn hinge weekly cheest and random drop from caches

items keep sockets/third stats

but all titanforge is removed

[torn hinge]

and the imporved iLVL depends on your arena rating?

[onyx wind]

Yeah

365 is 1800

I think u gete 375 from cache

at 1800

if you get a token

[slender hare]

forgot what the reuirement was to get the weekly cache, cap conquest?

[onyx wind]

Yeh

[slender hare]

aight

[willow pulsar]

Guys, i'm curious, is there a weakaura which counts how many targets are affected by garrote and rupture?

[onyx wind]

Wonder if im gonna get fucked

Sincee i completed this weeks conquest tuesday last week

Hopefully it doesnt bug me out

[foggy tendon]

https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/external/3hThHeO9eN0L-DH5xIyGG25qLXlmMUBxiu0Xx49T8Fw/https/i.gyazo.com/5a83335b7a273c2d3f6c2242e661ea0e.png

What's that ? it's from raidbots

Bleeding ? D:

which class grants other peep's dmg from his bleeding ?

[onyx wind]

no ideea

[open elbow]

Hey guys, do you have a WA to track subterfuge empowered garrote ?

that remind me to not overwrite it

[onyx wind]

Had one, but it got outdated

https://wago.io/HyKnScWMz

maybe this

[willow pulsar]

What about counting targets affe ted by garrote and rupture? I dont really like to track it on nameplates

[onyx wind]

Just usee counting

[median birch]

@foggy tendon feral druid, shred deals more damage vs a bleeding target, I don't think it requires it to be that druid

[foggy tendon]

aw

okay thx

[lavish gust]

Survival hunter has talent the more bleeds on enemies around the more attack speed he gets i think

[onyx wind]

Yes its worth it

for single target

for multi target/m+

maybe not

not really

it doesnt factor in stealth between packs

Maybe sim 30sec hectic add cleave

or 20

[lean nimbus]

Can I talk with anyone regarding identifying problems with my build / playstyle? Following AMR's advice and following correct rotation - and execution is pretty good - but did a mythic yesterday with an assassination rogue of similar ilvl and got absolutely dunked on. Unsure what the problem is.

[gleaming geyser]

First of all dont use AMR

[lean nimbus]

I'm listening.

[gleaming geyser]

Second of all, you need to post logs or explain the differences between you and the other rogue

[slender hare]

or explain, if for instance the tank pulls a pack of 4 mobs, what do you do?

[edgy latch]

put garrote on 3 targets from stealth

cast ct

???

top dps

[slender hare]

yeah… but would help to see what he does wrong if we know what it is he is doing on trashpulls

[lofty sand]

Safe choice would be for you to read the guide and see first if there are fundamental problems with your gameplay

[novel lake]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9pZsikcVYnocBdzp1vGWBi

is this dps ok ?

[lofty sand]

then if you decide that you're playing correctly, you come back to us

[edgy latch]

its decent

[novel lake]

Or where shall I improve mygear ?

[hushed turtle]

That Sim is fine cold

[novel lake]

just 1 SS though

ok

[fresh bough]

Can anyone confirm, if you apply a 4th garotte after stealth does this reduce the damage from the first 3 (cast from stealth) ? I heard there was some bug atm

[edgy latch]

!ss

[prisma monolith]

Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

[onyx wind]

Most assas with shit dps dont know about the bug

Quite funny it isnt fixed

[fresh bough]

Oh yikes

How is the average player gonna know this

[lofty sand]

probably will get fix when they "adjust" SS

[hushed turtle]

They wont

[edgy latch]

so

i had to convince my rl to put my orb soaking during bl at zzekvoz

he didnt believe that sin had good burst

[royal lantern]

funny that our best trait didnt worked 100% since the expac came out

[fresh bough]

So what happens when there are like 4 it 5 mobs? You guys just use rupture until the empowered garotte runs out?

[edgy latch]

yup

[fresh bough]

Right ok

[hushed turtle]

Yes

Tab ruputures while trying to maintain max uptime on EP until they fall off

[slender hare]

and keep CT up

on 3+

[edgy latch]

how many mobs should there be when CT spam > rupture

[slender hare]

CT spam is 6+

[edgy latch]

ah

[fresh bough]

Really cba to spec ct and just take bomb

[slender hare]

CT upkeep is 3+

[cedar anchor]

lol cba is total dogshit

[fresh bough]

Haha

[onyx wind]

pretty sure CT is gonna be mandatory for next weeks m+

[edgy latch]

how can you cba anything with sin

[cedar anchor]

so either spec ct or stop askin questions

[edgy latch]

so much downtime

[frank furnace]

To confirm, if yoh apply 3 garottes from stealth. Then vanish and apply 3 more garottes. Thats fine right? All 6 get the bonus. And then you coild shadowmeld and do it all again... mmm

[edgy latch]

thats fine

[onyx wind]

yes

[fresh bough]

[edgy latch]

do it at ghuun for example

ez #1 dps

[frank furnace]

Im tingling

[lofty sand]

Not sure shadowmeld counts as stealth

[onyx wind]

Assa is insane on ghuun

Had 32k dps when phase1 ended

[frank furnace]

Well. Shadowmeld restealth only in m+

[edgy latch]

i open with 6 garrotes, then vendetta dark young

go south when vendetta expires and dot those up

[onyx wind]

6 garrotes?

on 4 targets?

[edgy latch]

ghuun pull is 6

5 eyes 1 dark young

[onyx wind]

Pretty sure theres only 4 eyes and 1 dark young in range

[edgy latch]

you have shs and sprint though

[lofty sand]

yeah I was trying to imagine the range here

[onyx wind]

Not really sure that cuts it

If you can get it off on 6 targets

Well played

[edgy latch]

open left side, garrote on eye > young > eye

[lofty sand]

because sub window is quite tight

[edgy latch]

spring over to right side and vanish

[hushed turtle]

Also missing out on the buff

[edgy latch]

garrote 3 others and get buff

[onyx wind]

Please link a log wheree you actually do that

[edgy latch]

our tanks pulls young to the right side

[onyx wind]

Samee here

[edgy latch]

our logs are private, i can screencap though

[agile phoenix]

is possible

[edgy latch]

sec

[onyx wind]

Might be worth trying out

[edgy latch]

our logs are private, i can screencap though

[onyx wind]

Is it really worth giong for the last eye?

I get the 4th but

[onyx wind]

Oh you start from left?

[edgy latch]

sprint prepull

with pot

[onyx wind]

yeye ofc

but why do you shadowstep

[agile phoenix]

nic

e

[onyx wind]

do you start from left?

[edgy latch]

ya

left eye > shs young> 2nd eye

sprint over to right side

[onyx wind]

Guess thats why its possible

Yeah

[edgy latch]

garrote those while grabbing buff

our tnak has young by those 3 so you can grab buff while dotting up the others

[hushed turtle]

TB better than exang on ghuun?

[onyx wind]

Dont the first tentacles get fucked though?

@hushed turtle its pref

[edgy latch]

dno, simmed higher for me

exsang sims higher now though

[hushed turtle]

I see.

[agile phoenix]

TB simming higher for me 😒

[edgy latch]

id rather play tb though

[onyx wind]

I mean

[edgy latch]

but exsang is 200 more dps for me

so w/e

[onyx wind]

You probably arent simming correctly

[hushed turtle]

I've come to love exang

Hoes tly

It's fun to setup

[onyx wind]

Pretty hard to sim ghuun fight

[primal sigil]

i think TB is more practical on a fight like ghuun

[onyx wind]

vulnerability

hectic add cleeave

downtime

[hushed turtle]

Yea that makes sense

[edgy latch]

why would i sim for hectic

ghuun is 100% st fight

[primal sigil]

unless the dmg diff is insane

[edgy latch]

dont rely on padding in p1

go st talents

[agile phoenix]

y

[onyx wind]

ofc

but if theyre equal st

[edgy latch]

people are going full aoe specs on fights like ghuun and zek

its ridiculous

[onyx wind]

but one is better aoe

why not chose that one

[primal sigil]

yeah .. my ex sims about 80 dps more.. i stick to TB

just seems less awkward

[onyx wind]

pretty sure exsang has more burst than TB

for phase

but up to you ofc

[opaque junco]

My ex sims lower

[lofty sand]

Ex requires management, tb doesn't

[primal sigil]

if u set it up right... exactly

tb is a safer choice

[onyx wind]

It is

[primal sigil]

exsang u have to amke sure the setup is right or burst is pointless

[onyx wind]

Once you get used to it, its not that difficult though

[opaque junco]

Its not an overly complicated setup tho

[lofty sand]

its not that its hard to use, its just harder than tb

[onyx wind]

^

I mean

assa isnt a pretty complicated spec without exs

[primal sigil]

its not complicated with either

[onyx wind]

but if youre just starting out, i would understand

[lofty sand]

I dunno if would call assassination complicated

[edgy latch]

sin is one of the easiest specs in the game

[opaque junco]

Ngl until yesterday I didn't know pandemic was a thing, been gone for a while made sin very awkward

[edgy latch]

exsang makes it SLIGHTLY more complicated

[onyx wind]

whats a hard spec according to you?

[primal sigil]

beein playing exsang forever jsut in my exp cleave fights TB gives u one less thing to worry about

[clever coral]

with the warfront gear(honorbound), is it more suited for assassination spec.
Since it yeilds quite a bit of mastery

[onyx wind]

maybe you just think its easy because youre used to it

most specs in the game are really simplee

[edgy latch]

keep 2 dots up, know when to pool energy

[onyx wind]

But then

[spice surge]

I mean, complicated and hard are not the same thing

[onyx wind]

what is a hard spec according to you

or complicated

[primal sigil]

there is a difference in a spec being called complicated and or clunky toplay

[onyx wind]

whicheever wording you prefer

[opaque junco]

What eleem said

[edgy latch]

i wouldnt say any spec is complicated

[primal sigil]

the general public would find sub clunky to play some still do, doesnt mean its hard or complicated

[edgy latch]

but fuckups when playing sub hurts your dps a lot more

[primal sigil]

its pretty straight forward

[onyx wind]

I find assa more complicated than sub

You have to make a lot more decisions

[opaque junco]

I just think sub is rather bland

[primal sigil]

well, thats okay my friend who mains outlaw wont swap to sin becuase he thinks its complicated to play.. its subjective

[agile phoenix]

lol

[onyx wind]

Can you please tell me a hard/complicated spec

[lofty sand]

I'm trying to think of a complicated spec in the game right now, is bloodtalons feral still a thing?

[onyx wind]

So i can get a perspeective

[primal sigil]

like i said, i agreed with someone above no spec is "hard"

[onyx wind]

But then that would mean

The word hard is defined by relativity right?

[primal sigil]

i rate them as smooth gameplay and clunky gameplay.. for eg i was alting surv last expac

[agile phoenix]

@onyx wind id say feral/balance are some what harder to play then others

[primal sigil]

its hella clunky. but nothing ahrd u just do what u have to do

[lofty sand]

Isnt balance basically just building and spending now?

[spice surge]

Disc is fairly hard

[primal sigil]

hard is something that is difficult to do..thats how i look at "hard"

[onyx wind]

Agreed, disc requires some skill to perform on

[spice surge]

I'd say momentum DH is pretty hard too

[lofty sand]

can't compare healers vs dps in this context I think

[primal sigil]

and if we are being honest, howmany ever specs ive played in this game, i havent found any "difficult"

@spice surge could be havent played it so wont comment

[edgy latch]

i miss wod sub

rip

[primal sigil]

wod sub was the best sub, personally i agree.. others may not

[edgy latch]

except for soul cap

fuck soul cap

[lofty sand]

healers difficulty is a lot their kit vs specific situations

[primal sigil]

why.. that was the best part hahaha

[edgy latch]

rng parsing 😦

[onyx wind]

But in my opinion, sin is more complicated than most specs

[edgy latch]

you were fuckde if it didnt line up with shd

[primal sigil]

well can say the same about poison bomb from legion :/

[tulip falcon]

guys do i need to save vanish cd for exang or do i use it on cd?

[primal sigil]

eng parsing

[onyx wind]

Wrong way wround

[primal sigil]

rng*

[onyx wind]

Save exsang for vanish

[edgy latch]

played hunt in legion

[onyx wind]

^_^

[spice surge]

Line it up with vendetta. Then use all on cd

[lofty sand]

I think we can at least agree that Sin is easy to play and harder to master? The basic concepts of the spec are fairly simple

[onyx wind]

I agree with that yeah

[primal sigil]

isnt that for basically most classes

[tulip falcon]

so i should save all cds for vendetta?

[onyx wind]

No

save all cd's for vanish

ok?

[lofty sand]

I mean some specs like Ret have no nuances at all

[tulip falcon]

and on vanish with shrouded i should do 2x garrote rupture?

[onyx wind]

Depends on what amount of combo points you have

and how long is left of your curreent garrote

Get max garrote duration and get max rupture duration

beforee exsang

[spice surge]

Vanish and vendetta has the same CD so they should be lined up all the time, exsang doesnt so sometimes it doesnt line up

Holding exsang is not worth

[onyx wind]

Its not?

[lofty sand]

I think 2nd vendetta and vanish have like 10s difference

[wild mural]

I don’t think vanish and vendetta ever line up.

[lofty sand]

something like that

[vestal abyss]

they both have a 2 min cooldown

[nocturne cradle]

Vanish doesn't last 20 sec

[onyx wind]

They line up

If they dont

You make them

ok?

[vestal abyss]

vendetta gets off cd 4 globals after vanish

[brave lily]

I constantly hear exsang requires "setup", "management" and "preparation". Am I missing something?
I've been holding exsang until the current Rupture hits pandemic levels and applying a new one and a new garotte. That's it. Is that incorrect?

[spice surge]

You hold second vendetta for like 15 sec so it lines up with vanish (at this time, exsang is ready too at 2.20, big blast)

Then just use on CD

[lofty sand]

Exsang ruptures/garr must last till very last tick afaik

[onyx wind]

I think you get 3rd exsang up after 2:25-30 sec

And vanish/vendetta up after 2:10-15

[brave lily]

What is the correct "setup" for exsang?

[onyx wind]

full bleeds

[brave lily]

should it be held?

[spice surge]

No

[brave lily]

literally reapply/overwright Rup/garotte then exsango n cd?

[spice surge]

Idk how your third exsang is up at 2.30. One at 5, 50, 1:35 and then 2.20

[onyx wind]

@brave lily yes

[lofty sand]

I think noobe said that there is one situation around 2min that you might wanna hold it to line up with other shit, but I could be wrong

[spice surge]

Yeah you hold vendetta for vanish

[onyx wind]

I was counting after veendetta use

[lofty sand]

I mean exsang

[onyx wind]

that was uncleear, mb

[vestal abyss]

Given there is already bleeds on the target
GCD - Spell:
-4 - Mutilate
-3 - Mutilate

• 2 - Rupture
  -1 - Garrote
  0 - exsanguinate

no?

[lofty sand]

I dont get that

[opaque junco]

Those numbers don't align

[onyx wind]

Maybe using 3 exsa beefore 2nd set of cd's is viable

[opaque junco]

[wild mural]

When you have max bleeds on the target exsanguinate

[onyx wind]

No

When you have exsanguinate up, get max bleeds

[wild mural]

I mean you should know it’s coming off cd

And be prepared beforehand

[vestal abyss]

Why not just start getting max bleeds up on the target 5 globals before exsan comes off cd so you can use it right away

is what im trying to say

[wheat zealot]

In a perfect scenario you would be re applying rupture and garrote in the two globals before exsang

[solar wasp]

Should I play Crisom Tempest in M+ or nah.

[onyx wind]

I agree

prepare for exsang

[lofty sand]

I'm not playing exsang currently but my guess would be you set up so you can get a garrote followed by a rup into exsang immediately after

[gleaming stratus]

If you want stable AoE Crimson is a good option

[lofty sand]

kinda like tiger's fury window in feral

[onyx wind]

CT is a must for next weeks m+

[boreal spoke]

shadowmeld no longer works as a stealth? it doesnt trigger subterfuge?

[onyx wind]

This week it was dungeon dependant

preetty sure it outperforms the other talents in every dungeon now

[gleaming stratus]

yeah it does

[vestal abyss]

lingspencervandaag om 15:56
shadowmeld no longer works as a stealth? it doesnt trigger subterfuge?

It does during trash, not during bossfights

[onyx wind]

We will know on wednesday

If it does

But i think it will

[boreal spoke]

It does during trash, not during bossfights

how come?

[mellow pier]

Cause in trash u drop combat

iirc

[inland path]

NERFS COMING 2DAY BOYS

[spice surge]

You cant leave combat during boss fights

[onyx wind]

^

[gleaming stratus]

indeed

[drowsy hull]

Nerf on SS?

[opaque junco]

U nerf ss u invalidate the spec

[onyx wind]

if SS is nerfed

we sub boys

[opaque junco]

^

[gleaming stratus]

pretty much yea

[opaque junco]

Literally

[brave lily]

Are we expecting nerfs today?

[drowsy hull]

Dont want to go back to sub, the traits there are not that fun tbh.

[fiery oxide]

Is the damage SS puts out due to a bug then? It’s unlikely it’ll avoid tuning?

[lofty sand]

then don't

[sharp wigeon]

is there a pvp guide anywhere?

[onyx wind]

you care about fun?

[lofty sand]

its not bugged its just overtuned

[rugged schooner]

is there a link to the nerfs?

[drowsy hull]

Dps > fun, fun is still good though ^^

[lofty sand]

they didnt announce any nerfs yet

[onyx wind]

Im a dps person

[rugged schooner]

Gotcha thanks

[drowsy hull]

Haha "dps person"

[onyx wind]

safe space

[lofty sand]

everyone expects it because they know SS is broken, even people that love it

[vestal abyss]

im an easy person

[gleaming stratus]

I'm in the same boat as far as dps goes.. i like to try pull top performance

[vestal abyss]

Karazhan10 as a BM hunter, topping meters with 1 button

best year of my life

[opaque junco]

Well SS is the only thing making sin viable, so you'd have to give something else to make up for the extreme loss

[spice surge]

Its def not

[onyx wind]

It kinda is

[spice surge]

For m+ yes

but not for raids

[boreal spoke]

nope. shadowmeld dont seem to work on trash too

[opaque junco]

Not in raids, agreed

[onyx wind]

I mean

[lofty sand]

we all hope they tune other traits

[vestal abyss]

@boreal spoke did you try pressing stealth after

[opaque junco]

But m+ is way more enjoyable than raids :^)

[onyx wind]

Not that important btw

[drowsy hull]

So basicly if you dont have 3 SS there is no real reason going assa?

[rugged schooner]

Does anyone know if the talent compare on raidbot takes into account azerite traits?

[onyx wind]

yeah basically

[lofty sand]

even 2 is reason enough

[wise socket]

Think 2 makes it worth it

[boreal spoke]

@vestal abyss ok let me try

[tough badger]

what is SS?

[opaque junco]

Garrote trait

[tough badger]

ah ok

[vestal abyss]

What is the sass opener?

[tame cobalt]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5Xnf9uGkSjSK8AAygEuEJK @drowsy hull 2 ss traits

[onyx wind]

Pretty sure trait is mandatory for assa atm

[sudden trench]

Im simming at 15.2 with only 2 ss and 1 lazer. Can go without

[onyx wind]

It does 26% of my dmg on ST

[onyx wind]

pure ST

[trim bobcat]

what's the best way to use galecaller's single target only? picked up a 370 one after farming Shrine all week and I'm having trouble finding solid information on it

[onyx wind]

this is taloc

[drowsy hull]

@tame cobalt ty

[tame cobalt]

@trim bobcat on cd

[fiery oxide]

Bit annoying really having to farm bis traits on gear that will inevitably get nerfed

[tame cobalt]

first on opener second without anything

third with vendeta again

afaik

[onyx wind]

Why wouldnt u

hold exsang for trinket

?

[trim bobcat]

makes sense, thanks

[tame cobalt]

too much dps loss

[onyx wind]

You hold it anyway lol

[trim bobcat]

was hoping to macro it to something but that's fine lol

[tame cobalt]

cause then you would need hold for the next too

[royal lantern]

stuff thats too strong gets nerfed, who would thought that 🤔

[onyx wind]

No

[strange python]

Gore splatterd vest droppen under - to someone else who needed it 😦

[onyx wind]

After first rotation

You get 2 exsangs pr set of cd's

[tame cobalt]

trinket is 1 min

[onyx wind]

Exactly

So it lines up

[tame cobalt]

exsang is 45s?

[onyx wind]

Yees

[fiery oxide]

@royal lantern but it’s far out performing other traits, and has been live since launch as if beta testing wasn’t a thing

[onyx wind]

But you hold it for vanish/vendetta

so u get to use 2

in each window

[warm cove]

SS is amazing https://gyazo.com/396b8a14530998bc9c38d37feeb03289

[gleaming stratus]

Who played OutLaw 1 week into Emerld nightmare and the nerf hammer hit holycrap i was mad.

[royal lantern]

thats true for like every single trait for all classes ingame

there is always 1 trait that is worlds better

[onyx wind]

@tame cobalt do you understand?

[tame cobalt]

not realy

😄

[opaque junco]

[lofty sand]

thats because blizzard made a terrible job with this first set of azerite, even ion admited it in the last qna

[onyx wind]

If you use 3 exsangs

[silk sundial]

I mean the only two that have stupidly powerful traits are sin and we

[lofty sand]

like the monk SR trait

[onyx wind]

You dont get it up for vanish/vendetta

[fiery oxide]

Is there a gulf akin to SS for assas and traits for other classes?

[onyx wind]

So you get to use 2

[silk sundial]

Like, 1 trait is better than 3 of any other powerful

[onyx wind]

Which means u can use it with trinket

In beetween

ok?

[wise socket]

So basicly only use exang every 1 min?

[onyx wind]

do you understand now?

[opaque junco]

Is there a bis list for trinkets on the bot?

[onyx wind]

After second set of cd's

yees

i would hold it for trinket

[gleaming stratus]

Stack it with the trinket

[onyx wind]

theres 0 reason not to

[lofty sand]

I use the list in herodamage katt

[opaque junco]

Okai

[vestal abyss]

@onyx wind

For a 4 minute fight
0: trinket + cds + exsanguinate
1: trinket + exsan
2: trinket + cds + exsanguinate
3: trinket + exsan
4: trinket+ cds+ exsanguinate

Versus:
0: trinket + cds + exsanguinate
0.45: exsanguinate
1: trinket
1.5: exsanguinate
2: trinket + cds
2.25: exsanguinate
3: trinket + exsanguinate
4: trinket + cds + exsanguinate

[onyx wind]

I dont have trinket, so i dont have proof of it performing

But im saving exsang for every vanish/vendetta

[vestal abyss]

You lose exsang but the ones you do use are stronger, so I dont know what works best

[onyx wind]

I do a lot of dps

So

[vestal abyss]

and it depends on fight length

[onyx wind]

I dont think im gonna change my rotation

[vapid oracle]

Depends on fight times tbh and downtime but you can just fit 3 exangs in before 2nd vanish and have it up

[wise whale]

has anyone got a tip for mythraxx?

[onyx wind]

On what fights do you actually use 3 exsangs?

@wise whale save vanish for add phase

[wise whale]

ss rup 3 adds with vanish=

?

[onyx wind]

Thats what i do

[rugged schooner]

Newb question, why do i want to Garrote > rupture >into another garrote if I have 1 or more SS? What is the point of overlapping garrotes?

[wise whale]

seems like a good idea thx

[fair hill]

Ss garotte 3 adds not rup

[trim bobcat]

longer ss'd garrote

since you only have your opener/vanish for that

[boreal spoke]

@vestal abyss yea need restealth

[slender pewter]

Best mod to announce interrupts?

[onyx wind]

dont worry

[wise whale]

yes i meatn garrot sry

[boreal spoke]

before i didnt had to

[onyx wind]

we all call garrote for rupture

@slender pewter just type 'me' in chat

ur an assa rogue, u have downtime

[rugged schooner]

@trim bobcat thanks that makes sense

[silk sundial]

So the question we are debating is if hold exang for 15 Seconds for the trinket cool down? Minus the 2:20 vanish/vendetta/exang combo

[onyx wind]

Yes

I see no reason not to

Unless youre spamming exsang

off cd

[spice surge]

You lose out on uses

[wise whale]

you could just see what the sim does, no?

[silk sundial]

You'd loose 1 that way

[spice surge]

Feel free to post sims proving that its a gain in #tc-research , the 3 people that have tried found it to be 1-2% loss

[onyx wind]

With or without trinket?

[spice surge]

To hold exsang for gc

[vestal abyss]

You would lose 1 every 4 minutes

[onyx wind]

What about holding it in geeneeral

[vestal abyss]

The trinket is kind of irrelevant

[spice surge]

What do you mean by holding it in general?

[silk sundial]

I mean the trinket does some pretty insane boost

[onyx wind]

Holding eexsang compared to spamming it off cd

[vestal abyss]

irrelevant for the rotation

[spice surge]

Holding it for what

[vestal abyss]

since its up every vanish anyway

[silk sundial]

Gc

[onyx wind]

vanish/vendetta

[vestal abyss]

Galecallers boons costs a gcd?

[spice surge]

No spellar

[vestal abyss]

okay then its irrelevant for the rotation

[onyx wind]

Is it a dps decrease to hold exsang for vanish/vendeetta?

[spice surge]

They line up at 2.20

[onyx wind]

And after that

they dont

[spice surge]

So its not worth if you lose casts

Its worth if you dont lose casts

[steep citrus]

after that, I hold vanish for exsang

[spice surge]

Depends on fight length

[steep citrus]

not the other way around

you're only going to get one more vanish

[vestal abyss]

good point

[onyx wind]

how does that perform?

[steep citrus]

well, you have to consider who's doing it

me. so mediocre. but theoretically

seems best

[wide mountain]

Guys quick question, Shrouded suffocation 340 vs 370 Laser matrix for MM+ - which one would you recommend?

[spice surge]

Not missing casts is the primary goal, its easier to miss casts of exsang if you delay it compared to vanish, as the cd is more than double

SS for m+

[onyx wind]

I see

[outer yacht]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
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[vestal abyss]

So if you play perfectly its better to exsanguinate on cooldown. If you don't its meh

[spice surge]

For example, if your fight is 5.55 then you're only gonna get 3 casts of vanish anyway, might aswell delay it to line up with exsang

[onyx wind]

But is it worth the risk

Unless youre really good at predicting fight length

[vestal abyss]

If you have stuff on farm and you know exactly how your guild will perform it might be worth it for getting a 100% log

[steep citrus]

our kills rarely vary by more than 30 seconds if it's clean

[onyx wind]

Looks like its worth the risk

Im convinced

[vestal abyss]

but if youre pugging shit or progressing it might not be

[steep citrus]

and they just get shorter

[onyx wind]

Prob can push 100% now

Seems like everyone is doing it

Idk why i didnt catch onto it earlier

[vestal abyss]

Can you link me your stat weights again?

[onyx wind]

Mine?

[vestal abyss]

ye

[onyx wind]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rL1v8spZ1DAFmHAwitfdJ3

Kinda weird

[vestal abyss]

ty

[onyx wind]

That the optimal DPS rotation

is use everything off cd

lol

[vapid oracle]

Missing casts of stuff is the largest dps hit you will take

[vestal abyss]

Interesting that haste sims higher for you than agi

[onyx wind]

I havee almost no vers

I mean i did fine with holding it

[vapid oracle]

My haste stat is .4 higher than my agi

[onyx wind]

99% logs on all bosses

But i guess i can push 100% now

[stable holly]

What is the most efficient way to farm a decent trinket? Run a +1 for 2 chests for certain dungeons?

[onyx wind]

farm gold and buy fathoms

[winter lance]

damn that sim

[stable holly]

Parsing in the 80s, but trinkets holding me back

[winter lance]

jelly

[onyx wind]

then farm +10's

[vestal abyss]

Did you get that +10 head out of your chest?

[onyx wind]

Aye

WITH SHURIKEN ON IT

REEEEEE

[vestal abyss]

lel

[winter lance]

rip

[onyx wind]

feels so bad to usee

but w/e ill do it for the dps

[silk sundial]

If only shrine wasn't so bad this week I would farm 10s to try and get a higher gc

[onyx wind]

same tbh

[gentle belfry]

Guys whats the deal with reorigination array? is it bis for us if we're up on stacks?

[onyx wind]

after pugging 3 +10's

i cant

[strange python]

Farm it anyways

[trim bobcat]

the issue with guessing if holding exsg for galecaller's is worth, is that to stand to gain 1-2% if you're right, but losing a lot more if you're wrong

[onyx wind]

Its not worth

[spice surge]

As i said, lining them up is a gain if you dont miss casts

[onyx wind]

to hold anything

apparently

[spice surge]

But the cd is so short

That its prob not worth it

[trim bobcat]

right - that's what I'm getting at

opportunity cost is too much if you miss

[wise whale]

how did you farm your conquest chests?

i cant get anyone to 3v3 arena with me even if i pay gold

[onyx wind]

doing 2's and 3's

then do rbg's

[spice surge]

RBGs is the fastest

But arena is more fun

[onyx wind]

but rbg's is fucked

I stood at farm in arathi

[wise whale]

i would pay 50k for the quest easy not even then somebody would boost a few wins

[onyx wind]

for 10 min

and afk's

[spice surge]

RogueLyfe

[wise whale]

i will farm rbgs then thx

[vestal abyss]

if you jsut do all bg types once a day youll get there

[onyx wind]

'just'

[wise whale]

too slow haha

[onyx wind]

bg's suck

[vestal abyss]

I like WSG

[strange python]

Git gud and bg's wont suck

Now you are forced to do pvp

Gg blizz

[onyx wind]

I would rather farm

[edgy latch]

queue up 3's with guildies

[onyx wind]

200 arenas

than do 10 bg's

[winter lance]

but what if i'm the only one who gits gud and everyone else is dumb af

pepehands

[edgy latch]

1600 is pretty ez if everyone in the team knows the difference between left and right

[onyx wind]

you can get 1600 just by doing pve rotation

[edgy latch]

doing it with full pve ui and binds, but people are bad

[strange python]

Can confirm got 1600 with exsang build

[inland path]

how are some people 360 simmng 15k

im 361 with a 355 gale simming 13900 lol

[edgy latch]

weapons, trinkets, traits

[strange python]

Better weapons prolly

Get high ass wep

Ggwp

[inland path]

got x2 360 weps

not shit tbh

[strange python]

Simdps won

[onyx wind]

not shit

just a fart

[inland path]

i mean most people have maybe 355-370

x2 360 isnt shit

[steep citrus]

sim harder

[onyx wind]

joking

[inland path]

just dont get how im simming 13900 even with a 355 gale

[strange python]

Link?

[inland path]

ye sec

[edgy latch]

link sim then

[strange python]

Traits

[onyx wind]

link sim and we will explain

[steep citrus]

i have 365 gale, sim 13.9. shit traits

[inland path]

x2 SS and one archive

[vapid oracle]

ive seen sims of people my ilvl simming like 800 damage higher than me just #neverlucky i guess

[inland path]

can use x3 ss tho

[onyx wind]

archive is fine

[edgy latch]

im at 14.2k with 370 weap, 3x 340 ss traits and darkmoon/345 clock

[strange python]

Archives is lot shitload in uldir

[inland path]

its running rn sec

[strange python]

It gives likes 4% crit or haste as of now

[onyx wind]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/faSCXAWgDxTSMe7GPSoVta

[edgy latch]

40sec btw

[spice surge]

It gives your highest, and its 75 per week you've killed uldir bosses

[onyx wind]

How to deal moree dmg in sims

[strange python]

Idk why raidbots didnt implement simming array

[onyx wind]

lower duration

[zealous lily]

it did

[inland path]

yeah but seen a few 14800+ sims at 5 min

i dont get it

i only have 15% haste tho

[strange python]

How do you sim it then

[onyx wind]

Funny how shit haste is in burst phase

[wise whale]

exeo how do you open on ghuun?

[onyx wind]

yet GC is best trinket

[strange python]

It sims only with main effect

[inland path]

yeah its nearly done maybe im doing smth wrong

[onyx wind]

@wise whale I leearneed that you should start left

[edgy latch]

@wise whale do 6 garrotes

left to right

then vendetta on young

[onyx wind]

^

[inland path]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qGde9qdwg8EV8UMdtQwX94