assassination

[little frigate]

I hope the fix the ss bug soon, its very annoying to track three garrote's without accidentally apply a fourth one

[indigo goblet]

nvm dumb question

[willow pulsar]

What's happening after third?

[prisma monolith]

Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

[arctic isle]

yeah they will fix it when they nerf it

[little frigate]

haha

[inland path]

tomorrow then?

[little frigate]

@arctic isle the shitty part is that i think youre right

[indigo goblet]

so you should let tick ss garrote out, before reapplying it?

[little frigate]

yes jay

[willow pulsar]

So, on ghuun. When i apply 3 separate garrots on tentacles and then i switch on young one and pop vanished garrots on him, the other are losing ss trait buffs?

[little frigate]

there's a great weak aura out there that shows your buffed garrote ticks in green. wait lemme find it

this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtgUChEwKvQ

best rogue weakauras by far

@willow pulsar no, because you vanished.

[willow pulsar]

Oh thank god

[little frigate]

if youwouldnt have vanished for the 4th 5th and 6th, you'd have lost

[indigo goblet]

i also use that aura, it really helps

[safe matrix]

your garrotes only lose the SS buff if you apply an unbuffed garrote

so you can do up to 6 in one batch with vanish

[willow pulsar]

I got it

[indigo goblet]

is it worth keeping up CT on a single target?
i was told to play heroic zek'voz with ct, but i kinda think that casting envenom on the boss himself is more worth it and then using ct on the adds

[safe matrix]

no

its not worth keeping up ct unless 3+ targets

[willow pulsar]

We do not use CT on single, am i right

[indigo goblet]

is it even worth choosing ct on zek'voz at all?

[vestal wren]

no (no ct on st)

[strange python]

Guys, is second SS trait worth 54 agi and 15 ilvl?

[shy mica]

yh

but sim urself

😃

[lament dove]

yes most probably

[strange python]

Thx :)

[little frigate]

@strange python SS is worth more than 30ilvls in my case, so I'm guessing it's in your case too

370 pieces in bag while 340 equipped. Yay...

[indigo goblet]

i feel s

[little frigate]

I can't believe the devs "missed" this. It's so obvious and so easily fixable

[safe matrix]

I mean, its an upgrade over sets

[chilly oasis]

but like yea, it's true

they will fix it by nerfing it

[little frigate]

oh yeah, that for sure. Fuck set bonuses

[safe matrix]

sets used to lock more pieces and be the same ilvl differences if not more

[lament dove]

both my SS pieces are 340 ilevel...

[little frigate]

forcing me to raid shudder

[vestal wren]

dev's just want sin to be best spec 😉

[sage cosmos]

@indigo goblet Unless your raid comp is MASSIVE on AoE dmg you could go with poison bomb, but on mythic add dmg is very important and boss dmg is the opposite cause your burn phase is sub 40% boss HP. Use CT on the fight imo. I did on mythic and it feels worth it.

[surreal portal]

hey guys, I've got a few questions regarding AoE dot applications on targets. Could I take 5 min off of somebody's time? Thanks in advance.

[little frigate]

3x garrote ~3x ruptore crimson tempest rince repeat

rupture*

rinse*

omg my english >.<

oh and fill with fok

ezpzlmnsqz

[surreal portal]

do I ever use mutilate on 2+?

[little frigate]

yes

[surreal portal]

cause it seems to generate combo pts way faster

[little frigate]

fok on 3+

[safe matrix]

^

[indigo goblet]

Thanks Kens

[surreal portal]

even on 5 targets, fok sometimes seems to generate only 1 point

[safe matrix]

its RnG

[indigo goblet]

^ rng

[surreal portal]

and it doesn't feel good to use

[sage cosmos]

np man, if you want to double check it, look at rogue logs for the fight. everyones playing CT iirc.

[little frigate]

i agree that fok feels like throwing noodles

[indigo goblet]

but then, sometimes, you can get full cps ardor

[little frigate]

but the numbers say its best at 3 targets or more

[surreal portal]

mainly what I wanted to ask was, should I try applying envenom before the 3x ruptures cause of the 30% bonus to poison application?

[indigo goblet]

yea u right kens, totally forgot about that haha

[surreal portal]

or is that irrelevant cause fan is gonna spread it anyway with enough casts

[sage cosmos]

Rupture is a bleed, not poison

[surreal portal]

ye, im talking about my weapon poisons being applied from FoK

[safe matrix]

fan is gonna spread it anyways

[sage cosmos]

Nah you're better off getting ruptures out first

Since it regens your energy aswell and you wont have slower ramp up for your next applications

[surreal portal]

and not all at 5 stacks, correct? since that only increases the duration from what I calculated

[safe matrix]

here's a generic opener for m+ that I'd do
"triple garrote from stealth (don't do a fourth if you have shrouded suffocation), FoK is your main combo point generator on 3+ targets, get crimson tempest ticking, toss out a couple ruptures for energy regen (assuming targets live), maintain CT dot on 3-6 targets at 6+ you spam it as your finisher, otherwise you use envenom as your finisher"

[indigo goblet]

i mostly apply a 5cp rupture on the target with the most hp

[safe matrix]

it depends on how long they live really

[sage cosmos]

Liavre at 6+ do you still fire up a few ruptures for energy gain, before spamming CT finishers?

[safe matrix]

I'm havent figured out whats 100% optimal yet

but I'll get CT ticking first

then apply ruptures for energy regen

[sage cosmos]

Same, found that im most comfortable doing it with +2 ruptures up, 3 if possible.

[safe matrix]

then start spamming for the initial hit

[sage cosmos]

but 3 is sketchy if its fast dying targets

[safe matrix]

yeah

it depends how long the targets will live

[surreal portal]

is CT a staple in m+, then? cause I've been using poison bomb for pretty much all content

[lament dove]

I aoe like Captain Jack Sparrow, I figure it out as I go along

[round wadi]

Spamming CT only on 6+ target?

[safe matrix]

CT is really strong on most dungeons

you maintain the dot on 3+ targets

but at like 6ish it hits for more than envenom intially

[surreal portal]

meaning you don't bother casting it on 2 or less?

[safe matrix]

no

[lament dove]

you can go with PB, it's strong on little 2-3 mob packs, CT starts to shine on bigger numbers

[sage cosmos]

PB for dungeons with few large packs, like kings rest etc..

[safe matrix]

its depends on how you pull and what you need

with PB its basically the same just remove the part about CT

[surreal portal]

im mainly asking about end-game content

assume things are gonna die slowly

[little frigate]

with bursting id stick to PB myself

since we pull relatively small packs

[safe matrix]

nah

but PB gets a bunch of value from tyrannical

[little frigate]

that too

[safe matrix]

But basically the rational is that

[little frigate]

you know what I dont get? Why they even made crimson tempest. Why didn't they just make PB a finisher

[safe matrix]

you'll kill a boss 20 seconds faster, but you'll take much more time on trash except on something like KR where you're constantly small pulling

[lament dove]

that's CT basically:)

what people tend to forget is that it's not PB that does most aoe dmg, it's DP
more CP into ruptures (instead of CT), more energy, more FoK and envenom - more DP dmg

[little frigate]

at least pb looks fun; ya know the puddle of goo on the ground, the sound,e tc.

[sage cosmos]

honestly your PB account for something like 2-3% of your dmg, which at that point (group combined dps) isnt worth it considering howmuch you gain on trash clearing

[willow pulsar]

CT doesn't proc energy regen from our passive, does it?

[sage cosmos]

No

[safe matrix]

Well thats an inaccurate way to look at it kens

[sage cosmos]

Tooltip says rupture and garrote

[safe matrix]

because while its only 4%

it costs no combo points

whereas CT does

[surreal portal]

what's CP?

[safe matrix]

So you get more finishers with PB

[little frigate]

combo points

[surreal portal]

nvm

ye xD

[sage cosmos]

Sure, but since you dont spend CP on CT single target either, its a raw loss?

ON single target I mean

[safe matrix]

yeah on ST its raw loss

but overall in AoE

[little frigate]

raw loss? on st?

[safe matrix]

A lot of people assume "oh PB is only 4% of my damage this sucks"

CT is a dead talent on ST since you dont use it unless 3+ targets

[little frigate]

how can pb be a raw loss on st compared to something you dont use

[safe matrix]

I meant CT is loss

[rose dove]

He said CT is a raw loss

[sage cosmos]

^

[little frigate]

ah yeah now i get it

[sage cosmos]

:)))))))))))9

[safe matrix]

But yeah, my point was that a lot of people look at PB wrong in AoE

[little frigate]

they just overcomplicated things with ct. PB shouldve been a finisher and thats that

[safe matrix]

since they don't look at the extra finishers they got from PB being free

[little frigate]

our talents are boring as fuck in general, btw

talk about cookie cutter, geez

[kind stump]

Thats all specs

[potent rune]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yK-braGC9D4

for those that dunno about this garrote bug

[little frigate]

that doesnt make it any less horrible squalus

or should I say, sharky

[kind stump]

It doesnt but thats the way the game is now

[little frigate]

aye

[kind stump]

Good job

[safe matrix]

you mean this

!ss

[prisma monolith]

Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

[safe matrix]

that bug

[kind stump]

You were the first one to call me that

[little frigate]

hehe, most people arent very proficient in latin

[surreal portal]

so basically wait for the full expiration and then re-apply?

good to know

[zinc skiff]

What do u guys think is more fun, TB or Ex

for M+

[little frigate]

neither

tb is cast and forge

t

just another button to push

ex requires some cerebral activity

[magic thistle]

Question on elaborate planning. Do you wanna use another finisher right before it expires or right after?

[little frigate]

so I guess, that would be more fun

[kind stump]

Right before so you get the dmg increase on finisher

Wont matter when casting rupture, mainly for envenom

[mortal gyro]

is it worth pooling for EP?

since the window is rather small

[lavish frost]

Are we back to env with 3cp for a better eplaning uptime like in early legion ?

[indigo goblet]

meh

[stoic pelican]

How many ilvl do you think Garrote trait is worth to go for for M+? is it worth farming the 325ones?

[kindred forge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[stoic pelican]

I cant sim for M+.

[steady grotto]

Why not?

[stoic pelican]

how can you possibly sim for M+?

[steady grotto]

I sim hectic add cleave minute long fight

[stoic pelican]

M+ is not hectic add cleave.

[steady grotto]

Aoe is aoe no?

[strange python]

Just do different sims for 3 targets 6 targets 1-2 min fight and take hints

[stoic pelican]

1-2min? maybe more of 30sec. but then you have to change APL to force it not to BL or use CD

so yeah. you cant simc M+.

[steady grotto]

Works for me lol

[stoic pelican]

GL with that.

[young swan]

U get a rough idea atleast

[steady grotto]

Exactly

[strange python]

You really expect to have exact stat weights and dps? m plus is So situational that there is no chance implementing it

[steady grotto]

I assess what kinda DPS I'm trying to do in m+ and simulate that

[stoic pelican]

no, you dont. BL affects assa really hard. so I'm asking people that are pro or have tried it to give an answer. not just some wanna-be guy telling me to just sim it

[strange python]

And there was somewhere on discord Dungeon string btw

I'd sat it's worth farming depending on which trait you have now. Garrote is op trait but on higher Keys it falls off

[stoic pelican]

Thanks @strange python

[young swan]

Atleast for me, I simmed ST, for 5 min, a sim for hectic add cleave for 1 min, and took a combo of the weights

[knotty bear]

Just disable lust

[stoic pelican]

@knotty bear thanks. I'd do that

[strange python]

I dont have choice so I play 3x ss 340 sp I cant compare tbh if it's ilvl vs trait but you can easily feel it like in +14/15 Keys when packs are living long enough garrote from ss is slightly less valuable but still Best trait after all

[frank furnace]

Also interested in Kuro's question: "Are we back to env with 3cp for a better eplaning uptime like in early legion ?"

At the very least i suppose we should be doing whatever to keep 100% EP while exsang is applied

[strange python]

I have to check that by changing apl a bit but it seems that 100% uptime on exs is mandatory but with higher Energy regen you are still Able to pull of it with 4/5 CP env

And outside exs window I'll see if you should keep as much ep as possible or as much envenom buff or Just dont care

[frank furnace]

Awesome, will be interesting to see

[magic thistle]

"exs"

you mean elaborate planning right

[tropic hull]

yep

[magic thistle]

i have 1200 haste and i still cant keep ep up 100%

[tropic hull]

with "galecaller's boon" you can i think

[magic thistle]

im using a 355 galecallers

[tropic hull]

oh

[magic thistle]

i cant do it on a dummy

obv in boss fights with movement its harder

[drifting stump]

hey guys do I always need to toxic blade before envenom even when I would waste 1 cp or can I use evenom first and on the next gcd toxic blade since it's adot anyways and not wasting a cp?

[tropic hull]

depends on your energy i think. If you almost full energy -> better use env and then toxic but i'm not sure

[magic thistle]

i usually always waste the CP and toxic blade

but i have no numbers to back up that clame

[drifting stump]

I usually do envenom and then toxic blade with full cp but idk to what is recommended^^

normally I can put another envenom in the toxic blade window

[magic thistle]

honestly i think the 30% on a 5 point envenom is better

[drifting stump]

I think it always depends if my rupture would run out in the next 10 sec I better get the 1 cp

when I'm low on enegery anyways

[novel venture]

Sorry if this has been asked before and just to confirm: (only now jsut saw the bug on SS) so do you to let the first three garrote's (subterverge and ss buff) run out before you re-apply garrote on any of your other targets to prevent loosing SS on the previous 3 garrotes?

[serene nacelle]

Yes

[novel venture]

ty

[torn hinge]

using exng. lets say u have 15 secs remaining on rup and 10 on normal garrote and exng is rdy to cast. Do you imeddialty refresh rup with 5 combo points and garrote or you wait for the perfect pandemic on both of them and only after use exng?

[tacit dagger]

whats teh best azerite trait for assasin, bloodandmallet says different to wowhead

[devout spire]

shrouded suffocation

[weak pine]

Wowhead is bad at this

Tbh

[round wadi]

Do u think is better tb or exsg in m+?

[quartz rune]

I like exsg way better playstyle wise for m+

[weak pine]

I'd say exsg overall

[quartz rune]

Helps a lot taking down priority targets

[weak pine]

And in dungeons you can have lots of travel time that make cooldowns less significant

[round wadi]

Yea true that but what about the value overall

[quartz rune]

Like what?

[round wadi]

I mean u can burst down 1 target but in terms of dps overall in a dungeon what does more

[weak pine]

Exsg

[round wadi]

Which*

[weak pine]

Both are ST, and exsg does more damage for most +it's good burst

[drifting stump]

best way would be a quick sim just for numbers

[quartz rune]

Exsg is just more complicated to play but is more rewarding

Also you can just open 3x garrpte rupture priority target exsa and spam fok and rupture to cleave other mobs too/ sustain energy

[round wadi]

Yea but i feel like mobs die too quickly

[quartz rune]

And for big pulls TB doesnt have much use either as you dont envenom much

[round wadi]

And u can't take the full value of it

[weak pine]

You aren't doing high enough keys

[quartz rune]

Yea

[round wadi]

7/8 higher

[weak pine]

This week you should push high keys

[round wadi]

Yea I know

If u have a good group yes

Pug parties aren't that good

[weak pine]

Pugs are quite good this early on generally

Aleays check raider.io

[round wadi]

I'm unlucky then

[round ledge]

anyone else having trouble making a macro for the new trinket?

[weak pine]

I carried freehold9+ 2chest

[round ledge]

got one that casts vendetta + trinket, seems to only ever do one or the other

[round wadi]

Yea it's hard to Carrie when the healer die first

Lol

[weak pine]

/cast trinketname

[little frigate]

!trinkets

[round wadi]

Btw in lower keys so it's probably better to have tb

[rose dove]

you can always "/use" the trinket slot

trinkets are in slot 13 and 14

[tropic hull]

raider.io is cancer

pugs don't update addons

let's say my score is 812 but pug have outdated addon

and he see like 600 or smth

[weak pine]

He is bad then

600 is still not bad

[quartz rune]

@round wadi i would play exsg even in lower keys. I like it better playstyle wise. Just test put what works best for you

[weak pine]

Does galecaller increase the damage of my ongoing bleeds or do I have to snapshot?

[unique depot]

So in uldir is SS still better than archive?

[round wadi]

Yea I prefer it too tb is just stupid to use

[tame cobalt]

U can sim it @unique depot

[dawn merlin]

galecaller increases the dmg of ongoing bleeds, but you should time it with exsang, which snapshots your current haste

[robust axle]

What boss would you calssify as "harder" on HC, Mythrax or G'huun?

[weak pine]

I still use TB for reasons

G'huun

Mythrax is a joke

Spread out and you kill it

[peak harbor]

Where do i put Galecaller in ST ? after Garrote- Rupture ?

[quartz rune]

Before Exsg

[little frigate]

i use tb because it sims almost the same as ex but it's "easier" to use

[weak pine]

At the same time with vendetta I assume

[peak harbor]

i dont run Exsan

[weak pine]

Noct same

[robust axle]

Is exsang considered flatly better than TB for dungeons - or is close so whatever you want to play?

[weak pine]

Perdonal preference

[little frigate]

i think its pretty damn close

[weak pine]

You can sim st and cleave for numbers

[unique depot]

Exsang is more burst great for focusing an add

[humble nimbus]

I found a elite in Northrend that I could apply poisons too

I nearly died because of it lul

[weak pine]

But you 1-shot stuff in Northrend

Care to elaborate?

[humble nimbus]

I'm level 61

Quest Elite in Howling Fjord

[drifting stump]

for me TB and exssang are pretty equal just like 100dps diffrent so I will play with what makes more fun to me

st and aoe wise

[karmic forum]

Is it better to use Vendetta right when it is off of CD after the first time, or wait and line it up with vanish for SS garrotes?

[unique depot]

Used to playing sub till I switch assassin aoe for mythic + makes me want to punch babies

Seems every time we get a big mob poison bomb doesn’t drop

[ocean nebula]

hard to believe that a 370 shoulder piece is not better then 340 ss

[restive harness]

do not worry Cassey 😄 the next patch will "fix" that 😉

[tropic hull]

all fun will be fixed 😃

[restive harness]

that's why I play it as long as it is there.. after that back to Sub :d

[glad peak]

Hey peeps

I know galecaller boon is simmed the highest but it's not the one you guys use to much i assume due to having to move during mythics/raids ?

[drifting stump]

it isn't that hard to time tbh just know the boss

or the mob packs

[wary anchor]

whats best opener if u have shrouded traits?

[drifting stump]

garrote?

[humble nimbus]

When do you wanna use vendetta btw?

After you've applied garrote?

[drifting stump]

atleast 2 times on one target or multi dot on more targets

[brisk forge]

Check guide for opener

[ocean nebula]

@restive harness can i read that somewhere ?

[brisk forge]

Feelcrafty

[humble nimbus]

Since we have different stats for ST and Multi. Do you wanna then get a gear set for Multi and one for ST?

[drifting stump]

with the azerite traits I suppose

[strange python]

!traits

anyone remembers how to check traits? :\

[halcyon phoenix]

why is ss such a strong trait? you only use garrote from stealth at pull and when vanish is up or? is it that overtuned?

[brisk forge]

Yeah diff ger is optimal

[wary anchor]

in some logs i was seeing ppl do, garrote>>rupture >>garrote>>vendetta. But in the guide it says garrote>>mut>>rupture>>vendetta. Which is better if i have 2 ss traits?

[solid nova]

@strange python Herodamage/bloodmallet in the pins

Can sim the differences for your own toon on gear compare too.

[strange python]

thanks

[solid nova]

All pinned

[brisk forge]

Sec opener is w/o ss

[kindred forge]

Does Archive of the titans is properly represented in sims?

[solid nova]

I believe theres a toggle option somewhere in the sims 🤔

Pretty sure

[kindred forge]

Siming lover with 375 head then 350 with Matrix trait, but on hero I am seeing that is better 😃

Will check, thank you

[solid nova]

Yeah should be added to raidbots as of today looking at a previous conversation @kindred forge

[slender pewter]

How do I stop the Omni CC from my action bars overlapping with Weak Auras?

[prime void]

not using omni

or changing the display of the wa

to not show text

[spark saddle]

Whats a good stat priority to go by for m+ high keys with 3x ss traits?

[versed bobcat]

Afaik haste >rest

[spark saddle]

Haste doesnt feel that useful on trash aoe situations though

[mighty summit]

You want haste to a comfortable level and then crit. Crit is a lot closer on aoe because of the cp generation on fok

[unique depot]

So on zul should i keep PB what do y’all do for a heavy aoe fight like that one?

Or just switch to sub and cheese it

[mighty summit]

I play sub lol

[unique depot]

What I figured lol all those free evis

[mighty summit]

You'll get more out of PB than CT on Zul

[mild yarrow]

Some one have god assa logs with full rota ?

[mighty summit]

Look at wcl rankings lol

[bright vessel]

i seriously cant believe the 370 i got from the world boss in the warfront

is a dps loss from my 340 :\

[frank furnace]

Is warfront open now for alliance eu?

[bright vessel]

no

well i dunno for EU

[rose dove]

Heh, no

[bright vessel]

1 more week for US i think

[unique depot]

How much of a dps loss is it a .02% over 30 item levels I’d rather have the Ilvl

[hard plaza]

the WB loot not have SS trait?

:S

[mighty summit]

I have a 385 shoulder that is worse than my 340 shoulders for me

[hard plaza]

lol

gg Azerite traits 😄

[void shell]

do you use finishers at 4 cp or mut at 4cp?

[mighty summit]

It'll change w/ some other pieces, but its insane

Use finishes at 4cp w/o DS. Don't overcap CPs

[hard plaza]

they are looking into the whole trait thing though

did u read the Q&A they did?

[mighty summit]

I can't wait for ss to get nerfed. Hope its soon.

Bug fix would be nice too

[hard plaza]

patch details 2moro

[void shell]

what is ds?

[hard plaza]

deadshot?

[mighty summit]

Deeper Strategem

[unique depot]

Or deeper strat

[hard plaza]

*wrong channel

lol

[bright vessel]

@unique depot why?

[unique depot]

?

[mighty summit]

Why prefer ilvl I'd it's a 0.2% dps loss?

[bright vessel]

yea

sorry if its a dumb question haha

[mighty summit]

Because it's more than a 0.2% survivability gain in base hp

[bright vessel]

ah ok good point

[forest edge]

I've noticed how alot of openers as Assasss is going Garrote - Rupture - Garrote - Vendetta / Envenom: anyone can explain why you dont open with Vendetta in stealth instead of using it so late?

[unique depot]

What cloak said that’s just hat I’ve been told something like 15 I Ilvls

[slender hare]

You would overcap energy if you opened with vendetta

[normal surge]

Does it matter if I rupture before or after vendetta?

[vapid lagoon]

vendetta gives you 60 energy over 3 seconds on use, wasted if u use on opener, your rupture and stuff also isnt applied yet so some of the dmg increase is wasted

[forest edge]

Makes sence - but isnt the 20% extra damage not worth the over cap+

[mighty summit]

A few reasons: because you do less damage in the first few globals of a fight when you're putting up your initial dots vs. when they're already up so you can pump out envenoms, and also so you don't overcap on energy.

[forest edge]

If you Rupture before Vendetta the rupture is not increase is it?

[mighty summit]

The rupture is increased

[slender hare]

yes

it is dynamic, not snapshot

[mighty summit]

Our bleeds don't snapshot

[forest edge]

alright

[normal surge]

None of the bleeds snapshot what?

[vapid lagoon]

only thing that snapshots is haste on exsang i believe

[mighty summit]

None of our bleeds snapshot

Only feral druid bleeds snapshot

[normal surge]

how does haste affect exsang? even faster bleed?

[mighty summit]

They got rid of snapshotting before Legion

[slender hare]

exsang snapshots haste

[forest edge]

Also - another thing - SS increases the damage of Garrote "out of stealth" isnt it wasted when you then reapply the Garrote to increase the duration? dosnt it remove the buffed Garrote on reapply

[normal surge]

I just got 370 galecallers boon but no sure if its actually underwhelming with the amount of moving around we do on fights

[mighty summit]

It does remove the buffed garrote when you reapply. So you let the buffed garrote fall off all the way before reapplying.

[prime void]

use it wyhen you dont have to move

[vapid lagoon]

yes its wasted, let SS garrote drop before applying a regular one

[slender hare]

you run subterfuge, so you have 3 globals from stealth

[vapid lagoon]

^

[forest edge]

ye - but if you Garrote in subtefuge - it dosnt apply the SS

[slender hare]

yes it does

[prime void]

wwrong

[vapid lagoon]

subterfuge applies ss

[mighty summit]

Yes it does

[tropic hull]

it does

[forest edge]

well alright then

[slender hare]

Subterfuge basically just counts as still being in stealth

[mighty summit]

Subterfuge counts as stealth for all mechanical purposes

[vapid lagoon]

any1 playing galecallers know the ideal usage of it?

on cd or with exsang

[slender hare]

before exsang yea

[tropic hull]

when you apply 2 garrote on target before exang

[mighty summit]

Just before exsang

[vapid lagoon]

i mean since one is 45s and one is 1m

[wary anchor]

always pair venddeta with vanish? Worth waiting that exyta 15s?

[vapid lagoon]

do i delay exsa

[mighty summit]

Yes Panic

Depends on the length of the fight Kiro

Not if it means you'll get one fewer exsang over an encounter

Or more lol

[vapid lagoon]

makes sense

[tropic hull]

45 sec cd exang so

[prime void]

does CT pandemic

[slender hare]

yeah

you use it at around 2 sec remaining

[wary anchor]

@mighty summit Cus my vendetta comes off cd 15s ealier than the vanish

[mighty summit]

Yep

You really want to maximize the damage of your buffed garrote rn

So hold vendetta for vanish

[tropic hull]

how we use vanish? when second exang ready?

[torn hinge]

after the opener, should i use exng on cd or always refresh rup and garrote before even if they still have high uptime?

[slender hare]

@tropic hull depends where you are in fight, first vanish is after your first SS garrote runs out, but you should read the guide

[wintry sigil]

Anything we want from Arathi world boss? 350 ilvl here

[slender hare]

well really just SS traits, and haste for ST, mast/crit for aoe

[zinc skiff]

After the first exsang opener, do we use vanish when our 2nd exang comes up?

[slender hare]

you shouldnt have vanish up for second exsang

[zinc skiff]

Why wouldnt u

[slender hare]

you use vanish after your first SS garrote runs out

[zinc skiff]

do I do it as soon as the first one drops?

Mmm

I see

Feels... wrong

[slender hare]

nah, some of it will benefit from vendetta

thats why

[zinc skiff]

I mean yeah I get that but like

I dunno

Thats some FBM shit right there

[slender hare]

next time vanish is up, you line it up with exsang and vendetta

[onyx wind]

The spec rn is not very fluid on single target

[keen spruce]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6qFrptLEE4JHCWzsghRo4Q

[slender hare]

the infamous 02:20 mark that gets mentioned a lot

[keen spruce]

finally

[onyx wind]

but it deals dmg

[keen spruce]

14k club

The spec is extremely smooth on ST

wat

[slender hare]

i enjoy the slow methodic playstyle on ST

[keen spruce]

I mean it depends on what you mean by smooth

like it's not manic at all

you can just chill and manage dots

and burst windows

[onyx wind]

What

theres so much min/maxing

[zinc skiff]

Ahh yes

[onyx wind]

and vanish to rupture same target twice feels wrong

[zinc skiff]

the min maxing of using pandemic windows and not overcapping on CP's

[keen spruce]

you're only vanishing to refresh garrotes for SS

[onyx wind]

not that min/maxing

[keen spruce]

and applying rupture in pandemic unless exanguinated

[onyx wind]

i know

im good at it

[keen spruce]

not double casting rupture

[onyx wind]

but i dont like it

[keen spruce]

[slender hare]

well thats usually how it is for a spec like assa, if you want a simpler spec, its probably better to play a proc based one

even though assa is still quite simple

[keen spruce]

I mean proc based specs are reactive

[onyx wind]

I just dont like to use vanish on ST

[keen spruce]

and you have to always make the right decision based on the procs or rolls you get

[slender hare]

yeah

[onyx wind]

feels wrong

[keen spruce]

you basically always do the same rotation

with sin

it's all mapped out

to hit timers

you always used vanish on ST

?

[onyx wind]

i know

????

but never to cast double garrote

[zinc skiff]

He said he doesnt like it

[slender hare]

tbh vanish on ST feels awesome, with the insane garrote damage

[onyx wind]

is that hard to understand or what

[keen spruce]

So your whole problem with the spec is double garroting out of vanish?

[lofty sand]

Vanish has been a dps cd for us since Legion though

[keen spruce]

[silk jolt]

what is your vanish rotation

[onyx wind]

thats the problem for me

[vapid lagoon]

the second garrote is just excruciating to press yknow?

[onyx wind]

it feels clunky

[vapid lagoon]

one is gucci, two? god forbid

[silk jolt]

vanish, garrotte, garrotte, rupture?

st?

[keen spruce]

basically

depending on timers left on bleeds

[silk jolt]

well the second garrotte adds a lot of damage

[slender hare]

clunky why? makes sense that we deal high damage from stealth, we're rogues, vanish lets you restealth

[keen spruce]

if there's still like 10s left on an exang rupture you don't ggr

[silk jolt]

like another 6s of insane dps

[keen spruce]

you ggE then mmr

[onyx wind]

...

But its not dmg out of stealth

we vanish to put a dot up

[unkempt rover]

Question about openner : garot rup garot CD TB etc... When garrot and rup are at 5-6sec vanish and garot rup garot again ?

[keen spruce]

no

wait for them to burn down

or you overwrite the SS buff

and exang buff

and when you vanish just G G R

I guess you could G R G though

[slender hare]

@onyx wind yeah and i dont get how that feels clunky? we vanish to do a stealth powered ability? could just as well have been something like Ambush, ours is just a dot

[keen spruce]

if rupture is almost at 0

I mean we used to vanish rupture

or vanish Envenom

[slender hare]

yeah

[keen spruce]

one is basically the same and the other was more bursty

you've got every right to not like something, just not sure what your'e expecting from vanish DPS buffing

[vestal wren]

so, what will be fotm when they nerf all op traits?

[onyx wind]

you dont think using garrote twice on the same target is clunky?

sub

[keen spruce]

not really no

[slender hare]

but thats just for the pandemic

[keen spruce]

it's just for pandemic and CP

[vestal wren]

pandemic + cp

[slender hare]

could have been Ambush twice as well for damage, if we had that

[keen spruce]

same as casting 2 mutilates in a row

[vapid lagoon]

its no different from using any other ability twice

[onyx wind]

I know

[vestal wren]

2 more cp 😉

[onyx wind]

How the spec works

[keen spruce]

no one's contesting that

[onyx wind]

And I dont like how we use vanish

[keen spruce]

but you're claiming one thing is clunky, when it's basically the same as any other basic function of the class

[onyx wind]

Im claiming i find one aspect of our burst clunky

[vapid lagoon]

you can dislike it thematically or whatever, rotationally it plays the same as anything else

thats not clunky

[vestal wren]

clunky is the wrong word

you mean it feels wrong

[keen spruce]

slow maybe

[opaque junco]

Slow death only death

[onyx wind]

How are you eeveen arguing about something subjective

Trying to change the definition of a word

??

To your own subjective meaning

[opaque junco]

Well it's not clunky

[vestal wren]

did you play frost dk?

[keen spruce]

cuz it's a really random and unusually specific thing to not like

[vestal wren]

literally lower apm then sin

[silk jolt]

its definitely not clunky

[keen spruce]

when it's basically the exact same as the basic ability rotation of the class

[silk jolt]

maybe weird but not clunky

[onyx wind]

Its finee that you dont think its clunky

[silk jolt]

activating wings on a paladin is clunky

because it's on the fucking GCD now

thats clunky

[keen spruce]

Frostbolt having a cast time is clunky

I have to wait for it to cast

[silk jolt]

vanish garrote garrote isnt

[keen spruce]

[autumn hinge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
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https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
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https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[vapid lagoon]

using AR as outlaw in pvp, now that shit is clunky

[onyx wind]

You can assign your own valuee to thee word clunky

[vestal abyss]

i see people talking about tripple garrote sometimes

[onyx wind]

You cant argue that i dont find someething clunky

thats just weird

[keen spruce]

execute is clunky, I can only use it when the target is low

[vestal abyss]

i dont get why you would want to triple garrote

[silk jolt]

tripple garrotte no

thats just cray

[vapid lagoon]

triple garrote is talking about 3 mobs

[forest edge]

tripple garrote on 2+ targets ye

[vapid lagoon]

or 2

[vestal abyss]

oh okay

nvm

[keen spruce]

Mutilate is clunky, too much energy

[forest edge]

so 1 each or 2 on 1 and you get the point

just so Blindside monkaS

[onyx wind]

@keen spruce Keeep going, i bet everyone thinks its funny

[keen spruce]

[onyx wind]

Its okay that you dont understand what im trying to tell you

But i would rather you did

[slender hare]

we do understand, all of us just basically disagree

[vapid lagoon]

bad is subjective

[keen spruce]

What lauritz said

[vapid lagoon]

awkward is subjective

[lofty sand]

clunky is a very vague word

that often causes that sort of discussion

[vapid lagoon]

yeah fuck clunky

[onyx wind]

what the fuck...

[vestal abyss]

clunky
ˈklʌŋki/Verzenden
adjectiveinformal
1.
solid, heavy, and old-fashioned.
"even last year's laptops look clunky"
2.
making a clunking sound.
"clunky conveyor belts"

[forest edge]

Clunk Fucky

[onyx wind]

I dont get why you would rather discuss the meaning of a word

Than the message it was used to convey

[slender hare]

clucky much better 🐔

[keen spruce]

I mean the word doesn't matter

[onyx wind]

But fair enough

[opaque junco]

The real question is, if vanish garrote garrote is clunky, how would u make it not clunky?

[forest edge]

lets discuss how bad Rogues are insread

[vestal abyss]

Because the message is superclear

[forest edge]

we need buffs

[vestal abyss]

but the word clunky isnt

[keen spruce]

you don't like something about the class that is basically the exact same function of the multiple other rotation elements of the class

[onyx wind]

@opaque junco By not doing it obviously

[opaque junco]

But then u lose dps

[keen spruce]

[onyx wind]

Obviously

[keen spruce]

Like you don't like it compared to old sin?

[forest edge]

@opaque junco Vanish Throwing knife

[keen spruce]

or you just never liked sin?

[onyx wind]

Im gonna do the thing that deals most dmg

[vapid lagoon]

vanish auto attack

[keen spruce]

[onyx wind]

But i would rather do someething else

[opaque junco]

[onyx wind]

Like vanish rupturee

[silk jolt]

why

tho

[keen spruce]

very smooth vanish auto attack not clunky at all

[forest edge]

that only makes sence with Nightstalker

@onyx wind

[onyx wind]

Yees it does

[opaque junco]

Nightstalker is shit tho

[onyx wind]

And its not thee beest option

[silk jolt]

why is V R better than V G

[onyx wind]

which is why im not doing it

[opaque junco]

Garrote is life

[onyx wind]

but i would rather do it

do you get it?

[silk jolt]

no

[opaque junco]

Kinda but not really but kinda

[keen spruce]

You'd rather cast a finisher than a generator?

[forest edge]

id rather just Vanish HS

[slender hare]

Vanish -> Exit game

[forest edge]

^

[opaque junco]

Casting 2 of the same dots in a row in can get that it feels weird but not clunky

[onyx wind]

Like

[mighty venture]

When the nerf comes, what'll be of sin? will it be useless?

[onyx wind]

I dont know if youre trolling or being serious

I hope youre trolling

[keen spruce]

I mean kind of half and half

[opaque junco]

^

[silk jolt]

sin isnt being nerfed

maybe SS

[mighty venture]

More than enough, xD!

[lofty sand]

this channel will be peaceful once again, thats what will happen

[onyx wind]

Not talking about you shmoops

[keen spruce]

Let's talk about ducks

[opaque junco]

If u nerf ss u invalidate sin as a spec as far as I'm concerned

[mighty venture]

Yep

[slender hare]

🦆

[keen spruce]

What's your favorite duck?

[forest edge]

@opaque junco not knowing now if you meant it srsly, im still gonna answer it - i feel like rogues are the class with up to no Clynkyness - i played a pala some time ago with 1.5sec GCD - as a rogue that felt like playing a 90YO

[onyx wind]

If you nerf SS, i can use vanish rupture again

[vapid lagoon]

rip doing dmg on trash pulls without SS

[onyx wind]

And my spec wont feel clunky

[keen spruce]

vanish rupture is too clunky for me

[onyx wind]

Nah its not clunky dude

[keen spruce]

[onyx wind]

its just weird

[slender hare]

Vanish -> 🦆 🦆 Rupture, thats much better

[onyx wind]

4Head

[silk jolt]

so exeo you basically don't like subterfuge?

[keen spruce]

At least no one is asking what the opener is

[silk jolt]

because otherwise why use rupture

[keen spruce]

while we're arguing

[onyx wind]

No

I dont like to use rupture

Twicee

on thee same targete

[silk jolt]

even if

[onyx wind]

Like ive said

[upper shoal]

garrote bug fixed or?

[onyx wind]

100 times

[forest edge]

this chat went from 0-cancer

[silk jolt]

it gives you 3 combo points each time

[keen spruce]

he meant garrote

[silk jolt]

and another 6s of 6k+ dots

[vestal abyss]

Whats the best opener for sas?

[keen spruce]

[silk jolt]

best opener is spam garrotte

[onyx wind]

I know its thee best opener

[vapid lagoon]

what do you do if u have say 3 cp and vanish

[onyx wind]

likee...

[vapid lagoon]

do u do the opener again

[onyx wind]

I dont know if youre just too dense to get it

But im gonna stop arguing about this

[silk jolt]

maybe

[vestal abyss]

@vapid lagoon Dont vanish

[opaque junco]

^

[forest edge]

@vapid lagoon if you do that - you wait for the 3 combo points to run out and then garrote

[vapid lagoon]

lul wut

[onyx wind]

Or you can vanish, garrotee, envenom, garrote

[forest edge]

^

[onyx wind]

Like a real human being

Insteead of saving vanish for no reason

[forest edge]

and over cap a combo point? REPORTED

[silk jolt]

reported

[onyx wind]

just dont vanish LOOOOOOOOL

[vestal abyss]

or you can envenom vanish garrote

[onyx wind]

Thats just bad

[forest edge]

Just - vanish with 0 combo points

its pretty easy with Assass

[onyx wind]

Vanish with 0,2,3 cp

[forest edge]

just dont fucking hit Mutilate

[silk jolt]

vanish on cd

[forest edge]

^no

[silk jolt]

except

[forest edge]

VEndetaa on CD

[silk jolt]

when lining up with exsang

[forest edge]

vanish with VEndetta

[onyx wind]

^

[silk jolt]

you may need to delay

for 10s

for exang

but fuck exsang anyway

[forest edge]

Exsan got its own priority

[vapid lagoon]

i think my question has more to do with the rupture part of it, normally your casting a 3 cp rup and a 5 cp rup, im assuming you dont want to waste cp on a 5 rup into another 5 rup

[vestal abyss]

The only reason to vanish on cd is if you timed the fight just long enough that saving it for 2 more globals will net you one less vanish

[crimson night]

My opener atm : stealth - g - r - g - vendetta - multi - r - ex - 2x multi - env - 2x multi - env and vanish after ss buffs are gone / but isn’t g - g - r - vendetta - ex - 2x multi - enve better ?

[onyx wind]

OPEENEER BABY

[vapid lagoon]

u want to pandemic the rupture for max exsang

[forest edge]

@vapid lagoon no you dont - 3cp RUp into 5 cp Rup woul increase to max lenght - where 2x 5cp would be a waste of xp

cp

[onyx wind]

Just always savee vanish for padding

[vapid lagoon]

i know, i just said that

[forest edge]

ye

[vapid lagoon]

im asking for the alternative

[forest edge]

you just said " y question is "

[onyx wind]

If an add will spawn in 1:30 min

savee vanish

[forest edge]

so i tied to answerit

[vapid lagoon]

no i mean since i dont want to do that

how do i efficiently get the pandemiced rupture

[forest edge]

well - then dont play Assass

hmm

in opener? or over all?

because in opener its pretty straight forward

[vapid lagoon]

nah in opener its simple with the gar into rup

thats why i asked if you have

more than 0 cp

and then do the opener

[vestal abyss]

so just vanish when you have 2 cps

[vapid lagoon]

so your 2.2 min combo

[forest edge]

well the thing is - you should be keeping an eye on your combo points

ad you dont use vanish defensive

[onyx wind]

Keeping an eye on combo points

Big tip

[forest edge]

so you really shouldnt use Vanish on anything els than 2cp or 0

[onyx wind]

3 cp is finee

[forest edge]

well depends on how long you've waited to Vanish VEndetta

[vapid lagoon]

TIL tracking CP is good on to do on rogues

[vestal abyss]

Also dont vanish when rupture is on cooldown, like i ALWAYS do in arena

[hard plaza]

😃

[onyx wind]

GARROTE

ITS GARROTE

[vestal abyss]

okay thanks

[forest edge]

if both just came up and you got 3 combo points do it - if you wait, just Mutilate - Rupture with 5cp and 2x grrote in vanish to Envenom

[vestal abyss]

Dont gartoe while rupture is on cooldown, like i always do in arena

[onyx wind]

what

[slender hare]

wat

[onyx wind]

No

You dont wait

[forest edge]

CD on Rupture Omegalul

[onyx wind]

I just fucking vanish with 3cp

Thats like saying

Dont mutilatee with more than 1cp

since eu might overcap

[forest edge]

but why? just mutilate to refresh rupture and use the 2 garrote to gain 5 cp and do a Envenom

THen you dont overcap anything

[grizzled harness]

Would you guys favor crit over haste in M+ or would you stay in a 'Boss-killer' role ?

[forest edge]

depends on the week mate

[grizzled harness]

Yeah

[forest edge]

Tyrannical vs "that other shit"

[grizzled harness]

Tyrannical

[onyx wind]

YOu still overcap

1 cp

if you use 2 garrotee

for envenom

bro

XD

[forest edge]

true - my mistake

tbh i dont think it makes a difference

[onyx wind]

me too

[forest edge]

just do what ever feels right

its kinda the same

just with different rotation

xd xdx

[onyx wind]

agreed

[hard plaza]

its hardly gonna make or break the kill

[onyx wind]

can we all praise doing wq as assa though

[restive harness]

so you sattled it now.. AA after Vanish is best

[onyx wind]

1 global a mob

[hard plaza]

WAIT HE ROGUE FUCKED UP HIS ROTATION, WIPE IT!

[onyx wind]

3x

[vapid lagoon]

M+ triple SS into a CT makes me nut

[forest edge]

Ellmo - the difference in what you do is so stupid - did Mythrax last night - 1 pull 35k opener - next pull 11k

its so fucking stupid

[vapid lagoon]

if ur opening for 11k u fucked up big time

[forest edge]

ye no shit matey 😆

[onyx wind]

im 50% higher dps than my other assa rogue

in my guild

I keep telling him what to do

Hee didnt know about the SS bug

[vapid lagoon]

but its like, one of your hands blew off levels of bigtime

[onyx wind]

so he refreshede his garrotes

[forest edge]

haha

[vestal abyss]

I feel like triple SS makes quite the difference in opener dps

[onyx wind]

But on overall boss dps

it doesnt

[hard plaza]

On another note, anyone recommend some good unit frames for ass rogue

[onyx wind]

I have 99% logs with shuriken trait

[hard plaza]

for bleed tracking on adds etc

[onyx wind]

elvui or kui

unit frames

[hard plaza]

(neither of those)

[onyx wind]

why?

[vestal abyss]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[hard plaza]

i dont like them

keep it alot simpler

[onyx wind]

What do you want that they dont do

[hard plaza]

oh no they do everything

im aware of that

haha

they just do too much hha

[delicate root]

you mean you're too lazy to spend time setting them?

[hard plaza]

like i basically just use bartender, kg panels, WA

[onyx wind]

You dont reeally have to do anything

[restive harness]

I use Plater for tracking of many mobs and WA for main targets..

[onyx wind]

They track garrote/poison/rupture

I think i fiddleeed with it once

I can send u my string

Also tracks kidney and sileence though

[hard plaza]

not a bad thing

[vestal abyss]

Im using Luxthos' WA setup rn and its superneat but it doesnt track shuriken stacks

[onyx wind]

shuriken stacks?

You mean HB stacks?

or sub

or trait

ah

[vestal abyss]

exeovandaag om 13:39
I have 99% logs with shuriken trait

This one

[grizzled harness]

100talent

[onyx wind]

Its really eeasy to make WA's

If youre a noob at it, just duplicate one

and change the spell id

[hard plaza]

@restive harness plater looks nice will try that later ty

[edgy latch]

Is there anyway i can disable OmniCC for Plater?

[onyx wind]

this is assa

only

[restive harness]

@edgy latch you can just disable the cast bars...

[vestal abyss]

yeah imma try

[edgy latch]

@restive harness what does the cast bar have to do with anything?

[strange python]

@restive harness "Plater"?

[edgy latch]

i get double timers on my plater debuffs with omni cc enabled

want plater text on my nameplates

only want omnicc for my wa's

[warm parcel]

Was have their own omni too

Omni has been useless for years now

[restive harness]

ah ok.. sorry I failed you @edgy latch ^^

[edgy latch]

I'm using Afenar, so I have to enable %p for all my wa's and configure the text for each single wa if i dont use omnicc

[restive harness]

but there was a option to disbale the CDs too..

[vapid lagoon]

is there a haste value that would allow us to 4x SS garrote?

[onyx wind]

I think not

Someonee discussed it a few day ago

I guess that you would have to have 0.75 globals for it to work

[vapid lagoon]

thats a shame

[onyx wind]

Eveen last expac lategame

I dont remember getting 4 off ever

[proper igloo]

so after you use exsang do you let dots run out or refesh normally

[warm parcel]

Cause gcd is always exactly 1 sec

[vestal abyss]

letrunout

[warm parcel]

So its just not possible

[vestal abyss]

i dont think thats true

[warm parcel]

Rogue only has 1 sec gcd unaffected by haste

[vestal abyss]

i dont think thats true either

[midnight nimbus]

Thought gcd was 1.5s?

[warm parcel]

Hasnt ever been for rogues

[onyx wind]

its not

[indigo goblet]

1s afaik

[onyx wind]

does gear scaling work in world pvp?

[vestal abyss]

I dont understand how gear scaling works anyway

[onyx wind]

Like

I cant kill a 100k hp disc

but im 140k hp

I cant eveen get him to 70% with cd's

[lofty sand]

gear matters in wpvp afaik

[opaque junco]

You're doing something wrong

[onyx wind]

Im not

[indigo goblet]

Disc and druids are a pain in the ass in world pvp imo

[lofty sand]

disc is just strong

[vapid lagoon]

u should be able to bring him below that, but i believe gear does scale

[onyx wind]

Felt like it didnt

My garrote ticked for 3k

on him

[lofty sand]

did you try to burst him through Pain Suppression?

[onyx wind]

He didnt use PS

I useed vendetta

[vapid lagoon]

a bunch of our shit gets nerfed in pvp

[opaque junco]

Non ss'd garrote?

[mighty venture]

With assa, you have like 4-5 sec of silence, then KidneyShot, then Vanish then another 4 sec of silence. 😕

[onyx wind]

I was with 2x ss trait and subterfuge

and vendetta

[lofty sand]

Disc has passive DR for like 20% I think

[vapid lagoon]

not gear specifically but abilities in general

[onyx wind]

it ticked for 3k

[vapid lagoon]

like ven is only 20% or something i believe

[opaque junco]

Versa stack

[onyx wind]

Yeah its only 20% in pvp

and subterfuge is 40%

[vestal abyss]

Inner for causes you to take 15% less damage when you take damage right?

[onyx wind]

But in areenas it hits for 6-7k

[vestal abyss]

fire*

[onyx wind]

Even on discs

[opaque junco]

Sub is 50 innit

[vestal abyss]

im out of ideas

[opaque junco]

And garrote is 80

[amber quail]

Is right gg r vendetta exs vanish gg r ?

[onyx wind]

no

[vapid lagoon]

gear scaling doesnt change your numbers

[vestal abyss]

!opener

[vapid lagoon]

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldofpvp/comments/912t9f/did_some_tests_on_pvpilvl_scaling_system_duels/

[vestal abyss]

petition to create something for this

[lofty sand]

its in the guide

[vapid lagoon]

they just lie to you about the numbers

[lofty sand]

that is in the pins

[onyx wind]

So it does scale?

[white seal]

What’s a good dps right now?

[onyx wind]

what the fuck

[cerulean adder]

Is it better 3x shrouded suffocation or 2x shrouded suffocation + 1x archive of the titans/lasermatrix? For raid obv

[onyx wind]

I guess that explains it

@cerulean adder depends on ilvl of items

and on what fight

[lofty sand]

[mint brook]

Should I aim to use my finishers during EB or envenom buff? My haste sits only at 10% currently, so I'm sometimes energy-starved

[lofty sand]

you mean EP?

[onyx wind]

whats EB

oh

[vestal abyss]

TB?

EB?

[onyx wind]

toxic blade or elaborate planning?

could be both

answer is the same

In vendetta, cap EP

outsidee, go for envenom

uptime

And in TB you want to cap EP aswell

as best as possible

[vestal abyss]

By cap EP you mean keep it up as much as possible?

[lofty sand]

EP should be very low on your list of concerns when considering your next move

[mint brook]

EP, sorry*

[onyx wind]

I mean overlap

bad translation on my part

[lofty sand]

EP is just there, its not something you should be bothering to plan around

[onyx wind]

^what

if youre a noob, yeah

[silk jolt]

it completely changes the way you play

MP vs EP is so different

[vestal abyss]

Dont overlap EP unless you cap energy no?

[edgy latch]

i only overlap EP during vendetta

[onyx wind]

Or if your in TB

which is exactly what i said

: O