assassination

[indigo verge]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/M4Qk8YJbXgxdjpaw#fight=9&type=summary&source=34&view=events

here they are

[frigid sleet]

you're using galecaller way too late to begin with

[indigo verge]

when should i be using it

[stuck shuttle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gguZBwF5Z3mht4ngGAujTk

15k bracket lets goo

[frigid sleet]

when you vendetta

[indigo verge]

alright

[fading spade]

tb over exang... such a tough call

[indigo verge]

im comparing my logs with this guy who has similar ilvl and and kill time and he has 2k more dps than me https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Yq4R1MXjt8nkgmhz#fight=2&type=summary&source=5

[frigid sleet]

your opener is kinda wrong aswel

[indigo verge]

ah yeh this is the one i saw infexious gaming use

[strange python]

toxic blade or exang?

[void pecan]

Your GC usage is bad, so is your exsang

[indigo verge]

when vendetta is not up when should i be using GC

[spice surge]

right away

[void pecan]

on cd

[spice surge]

Otherwise it wont be up for the next vendetta

[indigo verge]

and with exsang should i be aiming to do it on cooldown

[spice surge]

yes

[void pecan]

only thing you should hold is vendetta for vanish

which should be 15-20 sec

[indigo verge]

is it worth overlapping bleeds for exsang

or do i just need to time it well

[spice surge]

Overlap as in refresh too early?

[indigo verge]

ye

[frigid sleet]

you're uptime on garrote & rupture is way too low aswel

[spice surge]

Preferably you should have lengthy bleeds whenever exsang is ready but its better to refresh them early than to exsang a short

[indigo verge]

for this boss u cant put bleeds on during the elevator phase, when i compared uptimes to other people it seeemed fine

[frigid sleet]

my bad its taloc

[strange python]

anyone got a tricks focus target macro?

[indigo verge]

when would u say is the cut off on garrote and rupture to exsang?

[opaque junco]

#showtooltip Tricks of the Trade
/use [@focus,help,nodead][help,nodead][@target] Tricks of the Trade

[strange python]

thanks

[opaque junco]

np

[spice surge]

I havent seen any math/sims about it so i dont really know whats optimal

[indigo verge]

what do u do

[spice surge]

I refresh when it has less than 20, or maybe less than 18

[jagged atlas]

Is there any scenario where I want garrote/rupture to tick fully before refreshing them ? and should I wait for my garrote debuff to fall off before using Vanish into garrote x2 ?

[indigo verge]

ok so i just need to prioritise exsang a lot more

[spice surge]

But as i said, i havent seen any sims for this so

[opaque junco]

if u exang uwant them to run out before reapplying

[spice surge]

@jagged atlas Anytime you exsang, no if you have a good garrote on the target already you can do vanish > 1x garrote

[jagged atlas]

so only 2x garrote when there is none on the target ?

[frigid sleet]

and you used galecaller 3 times in a 5:30 fight

[spice surge]

When the garrote from your vanish wont be fully pandemiced

[indigo verge]

yeh galecallers is big

[spice surge]

You do 2x

[indigo verge]

so more galecallers more exsangs

[jagged atlas]

how much time on the current garrote would that be ?

[indigo verge]

im a little confused about envenom should i just be aiming to clip EB with it everytime?

[steel abyss]

do you guys use CT or PB on G'huun?

[indigo verge]

and when should you pool energy

[opaque junco]

never used CT

[spice surge]

EP during empowered garrotes, otherwise just clip the envenom buff itself

[autumn bloom]

Pb

[astral kernel]

I'm not really understanding when to pool energy, do I want to try to get as many envenoms as I can into SP or have as much envenom uptime as possible?

[frigid sleet]

you wont be able to clip every envenom anyway, you need to know when you can & when you need to pull a bit more to clip later

[strange python]

is poisoned wire trash?

[opaque junco]

u mean iron wire

[strange python]

no i mean the azerite trait poisoned wire

[opaque junco]

oh

[hazy iron]

Lol

[opaque junco]

if it 's worse than SS it's trash

😂

[strange python]

its that or blightborne infusion

[jagged atlas]

Should I refresh garrote+rupture before Exsanguinate ?

if it's already on the targt

[opaque junco]

they should be maxed AFAIK

[autumn bloom]

Compared to ss? Kinda yeah

[warm geode]

!ss

[prisma monolith]

Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

[tidal coyote]

is it worth it to go assn with only 1 SS trait?
i have a 370 chest with SS but my shoudlers and helm do not
my helm is 370 and my shoulders are 385
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/spirestone/Kenjiwing

ya i will just didnt know if there was a rule etc

[sturdy nova]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[nimble tinsel]

So for the SS bug, does that mean that if I open on a pack of 4 targets, garrote 3 of them with subterfuge up and the 4th one without, those 3 other garrotes lose the SS buff?

[spice surge]

yes

[nimble tinsel]

That explains a lot lol, thanks

[jagged atlas]

on packs do you apply Rupture with 4+ CP on secondary targets ? or is doing it with 2-3 CP acceptable ?

[nimble tinsel]

Would mostly depend on how long the target will live I believe

[upbeat raven]

are haste breakpoints a thing anymore

[nimble tinsel]

Nope

[copper hazel]

@humble mantle it’s x damage per tick

[daring imp]

fml

[copper hazel]

Yes

[jagged atlas]

i am assuming they intend to nerf this trait yeah ?

[daring imp]

drjay squad just +2 a 16 freehold

[nimble tinsel]

@Strange It's pretty strong. With 2 of the traits it makes garrote like 20%-25% of my damage on bosses

[astral hound]

Wow

Must rock for dungeons too?

[balmy condor]

I just simmed a 5 target 40sec light movement and a 40 second hectic add cleave, and they both showed haste as a top stat

[nimble tinsel]

It's great for opening burst, yea

[balmy condor]

I know its inaccurate, but is that something others have seen?

[nimble tinsel]

Once the bug gets fixed it will be even better

[daring imp]

or bug gets fixed and it gets nerfed at the same time

[nimble tinsel]

I mean the bug fix will only impact cleave/aoe, so it will be interesting to see how they approach keeping it in line

But since it's still limited by stealth and essentially requiring subterfuge, it could probably stay that strong. Maybe diminish the value of stacking it a bit or something but nothing dramatic.

[lone junco]

thats my guess. is the DR on stacking traits across the board. not micro adjustments.

[steep obsidian]

it is a bit silly but i hope they dont go overboard with any nerf

also i am sick of keeping a billion azurite bits in the bank coz not sure whats gonna happen

same as with relics in legion

[lone junco]

at least azerite dont get destroyed

relics were bullshit

[nimble tinsel]

Agreed. And frankly, they probably should've just had a blanket diminish on all trait stacking in the first place. Would at least make it more likely to have other traits be viable, and add some complexity to the system.

[steep obsidian]

yeah

[spice surge]

I mean, their goal is to make things scale better with ilvl so an ilvl upgrade is almost always worth it

[steep obsidian]

i mean stacking one thing such that it gets more powerful is the way dps has always worked

[spice surge]

So keeping tons of 340 azerite in your bag is prob not worth it, but hey

[wintry plank]

I need help with my dps, to be honest idk what Im doing wrong, my max dps it is about 8k in uldir

[steep obsidian]

set bonuses and trinkets have always gotten op when they stacaked together with other things

[wild stone]

does normal garrote overwrite subterfuge/stealth garrote or are they different stacks?

[spice surge]

It overwrites

[wild stone]

Thx

[steep obsidian]

@wintry plank read the guide stickied ask any specific questions you have then log yourself so people can have a look if you still need help

[lethal jungle]

What are the chances SS gets nerfed on Tuesday?

[austere wolf]

i dont think it will happen

[nimble tinsel]

I'd think it will be more likely to see the bug fix happen, and then they see how it shakes out from there if they feel additional tuning is needed

[austere wolf]

ya same

most of the top guilds still use sub mostly

[bronze hatch]

SS is beyond broken in m+

think its gonna get hammered soon

[grim sable]

is there anyway for me to see exsanguinate on details?

[lusty narwhal]

I wouldnt say beyond broken

[austere wolf]

Cride so are other classes and nothing happened

[lusty narwhal]

Puts is on par with more heavy aoe classes like arms etc

[lone junco]

1t is rather awkward and better on paper

3T pulls, that last 20-40 sec is great

[bronze hatch]

i mean if u arent pulling overall +15k dps atm with assa rogue in m+ ur doing smth wrong

and very very few classes can do that

[lone junco]

ok

we play the class. we get it

[bronze hatch]

imo its a bit broken

ofc i enjoy it

but im realistic

xD

[lusty narwhal]

What youre saying is not realistic lol

Heaps of classes can do that

[austere wolf]

Hunter and Demonhunters doing quiet same and nothing happens

[lusty narwhal]

Mages

Monk

[wintry plank]

could anyone see at my stats and tell me what sould I improve https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/34767217

[austere wolf]

or mages and monk ya

[lusty narwhal]

Warrior

[bronze hatch]

monk is broken too ye i agree

[lusty narwhal]

Lol

[bronze hatch]

arms only rly shines because of tyrannical

they really ramp up on bosses

when execute is 30% of their overall dmg

[lusty narwhal]

The fuck are you talking about

[bronze hatch]

idk are we playing same game

[lusty narwhal]

Have you seen warbreaker bladestorm lmao

With warbreaker trair

It hits 70k per target

[bronze hatch]

not rly in mood to argue with someone who has no clue at 4am

[lusty narwhal]

Ok lmao

[lone junco]

our lord of war. warrior hits 40-60k on trash

[lusty narwhal]

Easily

[steep obsidian]

monk relies on karma too much i think

taunting bosses to max your dps is dumb

[zenith cedar]

Ion already admitted they want to change that with Monk

[autumn bloom]

"want to change" that is so goofy to hear when peak has been basically screaming at them "GOOD KARmA WILL RUIN THIS CLASS"

Since like fucking beta lol

[spice surge]

@wintry plank Dont use frenetic corpuscle trinket, its worthless, your azerite pieces are all pretty awful. Checked one of your fetid logs and it looks like you need to read the guide again because you've missed some key elements

[vapid lagoon]

is there a way to avoid using the non-SS garrote accidentally? like i have my stealth garrote and regular garrote bound on seperate keys yet it still sometimes uses the non-SS garrote

ill cast the garrote thats available only in the stealth actionbar, but it still counts as a shitty regular garr

[nimble tinsel]

It's not 2 different garrotes, it's all the same spell

[vapid lagoon]

nah i know that, but u get a different action bar during stealth

so i have garrote in stealth on 3, garrote in non-stealth on 5

[sullen robin]

make your garrots the same button

lolwut

[vapid lagoon]

but sometimes timing during a triple garrote open on adds is off when their seperated

its to avoid accidentally using the non-stealth garrote

especially with the current SS bug

[sullen robin]

do you really have problems reapplying after ss?

cause thats a personal problem

its pretty easy to track a bleed

[vapid lagoon]

no u do a triple garrote open

but lets say the adds are seperated

u apply 2 SS garrote

shadowstep to 3rd add, apply another ss garrote

[autumn bloom]

You could either have WA to track subterfugr

[vapid lagoon]

if subterfuge has faded i avoid using a non-ss garrote

[autumn bloom]

Or have your nonstealth garrote be in a different spot, so you don't accidentally hit it

[vapid lagoon]

thats what im doing

[sullen robin]

it just sounds like something you have to get used to

because i dont have that problem

[vapid lagoon]

stealth garrote on 3, non-stealth on 5

which hes making fun of me for >.<

[autumn bloom]

You could also create a macro with a stance conditional

[sullen robin]

i just dont see the point

[vapid lagoon]

oh thats awesome

[autumn bloom]

But that would be kinda awks imo

[inland field]

there is a bug amaterasu

[sullen robin]

its not that hard to not click it out of stealth or subter

im aware

[vapid lagoon]

do u do any M+?

[terse pawn]

my garrote only goes up to 14k during time warp

[sullen robin]

lol

[terse pawn]

how are people getting like 22k

[sullen robin]

yes

[vapid lagoon]

uve never had adds split?

[sullen robin]

i have 700 something raider.io

[lone junco]

25k with vendetta

[vapid lagoon]

i have 760

[velvet magnet]

hardest mechanic of Zul is the fps drops

[steep obsidian]

@wintry plank the 1 log i looked at you had 74% uptime no garotte and 82% uptime on rupture, go get a set of weak auras that remind you to reapply and go read the guide again your opener aint right

[lone junco]

lust wouldnt increase your garrote value anyway

[sullen robin]

i have, but that doesnt make me mess up my ss garrotes

i have them to the same key in and out of stealth

[terse pawn]

doesn't haste make your dots tick faster

[autumn bloom]

You've made it clear you don't share his problem

[vapid lagoon]

adds are apart, double garrote and then step garrote 3rd

[autumn bloom]

Haste does make your dots tick faster

[vapid lagoon]

if u have to sprint the 2nd application the timings can be off

[balmy condor]

WTB SS fix

[sullen robin]

idk what you are even trying to get at anymore

[terse pawn]

yeah so time warp should be a massive buff to garrote

[autumn bloom]

Unless they warp after you exsanf

[lone junco]

it is, but it doesnt increase the tick value

[autumn bloom]

Bc exsang snapshots

[lone junco]

it increases the tick rate

[terse pawn]

yeah the dps value

[vapid lagoon]

the problem rn is that sometimes i use my stealth exclusive garrote key but it still acts as a regular garrote (small window where it gets fucked)

[terse pawn]

oh exsang snapshots?

[inland field]

@vapid lagoon i understand your problem... what i do is, i just have a good indicator who tells me if subterfuge is up or not

[autumn bloom]

Well the dps over the same amount of time goes up

[terse pawn]

so you want to exsang after lust

[sullen robin]

make a WA for subterfuge

or find one

[autumn bloom]

But noobe is correct, tick value wouldn't change

[whole crater]

!ss

[prisma monolith]

Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

[exotic ledge]

Quick Question Guys about Vendetta, do you use it on Cooldown or are there any conditions i need to set up for Vendetta to be the most efficient ?

[wintry plank]

@spice surge thanks

[terse pawn]

vendetta with stealth

err

vanish

the first one after the opener you'll have to wait on vanish slightly and then they should line up

[orchid lake]

hey guys, what lvl 100 talent do you take for M+? Poison Bomb or Hidden Blade or Crimson Tempest?

[sullen robin]

Ct is only useful in higher keys

but its preference

[inland field]

but never use hidden blade

[sullen robin]

yeah hidden blade is dog shit

[split dirge]

CT is amazing for big pulls or higher keys or fortified

[balmy condor]

or if you're kiting the adds

[split dirge]

true

[balmy condor]

cause tanks still pull the adds out the moment I get a proc

[split dirge]

add necrotic to that

[sullen robin]

problem with ct is that not all people pull big

[split dirge]

if it still exists

[wintry plank]

@steep obsidian ty

[split dirge]

yea i always use ct when im queued with tank in discord

pb otherwie

[balmy condor]

otherway around

but yes

[split dirge]

ehhh

he always giga pulls

[autumn bloom]

CT should be a gain on 3+ targets

Doesn't have to be a huge pull

[exotic ledge]

@terse pawn So only with Vanish up ? Like the 2nd Vendeta to Delay for Vanish ?

[sullen robin]

yeah but its a waste if they die right away

[split dirge]

yeah u gotta wait like 10 sec on 2nd vanish then they line up

[lone junco]

@exotic ledge read the guide and the APL

[autumn bloom]

That's true

[terse pawn]

yee vanish to apply empowered garrote

to go with your vendetta

do you guys try to line up exsang with vendetta or just blow it on cooldown?

[orchid lake]

thanks a lot guys 😃 I'm new to assa I mainly play sub but I'm quite new to rogue in general, I'm very surprised every high R.io rogue seems to be assa I thought it was shit in aoe but it seems it's actually the opposite??

[sullen robin]

it wont line up with 2nd exsang

but it will with 3rd

[autumn bloom]

Your 3rd exsang should line up

[sullen robin]

save exsang after 2nd time to line up

[terse pawn]

ah kk yeah

[vapid lagoon]

@orchid lake our aoe if the mobs stay alive in higher M+ is good with multidotting, our burst aoe on medium health mobs is good too because shrouded suffocation gives our triple garrote open so much damage

[lone junco]

3rd or 4th depends on wether you hold the exang or the vanish

[orchid lake]

thanks @vapid lagoon 😃

[dire folio]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

BfA Simulations:
Herodamage: https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[cold zodiac]

IS there a way to macro stealth so it doesn't auto unstealth when I'm spamming the key?

[daring imp]

disappointed

[fervent beacon]

Disappointed with EoC

[honest skiff]

noob question guys sorry new to rogue: Do you prioritize Rupture or Envenom as your first combo spender? or am i way off here?

[civic palm]

SIN BFA GUIDE HERE--> http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/ <-- SIN GUIDE HERE

[lone junco]

@daring imp crit is going to be bis for M+ soon

dont you worry

[fiery jasper]

if I use CT for M+ is it worth using on ST bosses

[lone junco]

not unless they have adds

[civic palm]

Neverrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

[night cypress]

Rupture 100% uptime joe

[river quarry]

assassination still > sub for prog?

[vapid lagoon]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[river quarry]

jesus. so many outlaw logs for mythic

outlaw that strong atm for uldir?

[lone junco]

just play what you are good at.

[river quarry]

was thinking id swap out as well for specific fights.

seems to be some fights outlaw is really going ham on

[lone junco]

zul is good for sub due to combo on the craigs

[autumn bloom]

Outlaw is hard to swap in and out of

Cos primaries

[river quarry]

huh?

[autumn bloom]

Sin and sub it's easier

[river quarry]

I do a lot of m+

so lots of 365-370 gear anyways for changing out. mostly azerite thats the problem.

[autumn bloom]

Since you don't need to change your weapons

[river quarry]

naw you can dagger offhand outlaw

got a 365 crit vers dagger in oh atm

[neon chasm]

its hard to say play what your good at when sub and sin are so much better right now then outlaw

[autumn bloom]

Yeah but you need dual daggers for sin

[river quarry]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/19#boss=2136&class=Rogue

outlaw is going ham atm on some fights for mythic

so that's not true

[autumn bloom]

At least the stat prios are similar

[neon chasm]

no

the ones your looking at also have high lvl weapons

[autumn bloom]

Well remember not to conflate top players with their specs

[neon chasm]

which is most likely the only reason their still playing outlaw

[autumn bloom]

There are a lot of factors that go into top parses

[river quarry]

??? i got 370 + 365 dag in like 2 days of spamming +9/+10 tol dagors

its not hard to get decent weps

i mean grindy but yeah

[autumn bloom]

Okay I feel like maybe you're not understanding me

[neon chasm]

my outlaw at 368 parses lower then my sin at 361

[stray hatch]

When do you use Exsanguinate? I seem to struggle to maximize DPS with it

[river quarry]

replying to jack

ghost

[autumn bloom]

All g

[lofty sand]

each spec does really well on different situations, which is intended. Rogue is strong, that should be the main conclusion

[autumn bloom]

On CD @stray hatch

First use with vendetta

[river quarry]

chyeah basically sums it up Jeo.

[autumn bloom]

Third or fourth with vanish

[neon chasm]

no im talking about people who got 380+ weapons from raids

[lofty sand]

now why do you bring outlul logs in the sin channel is the real question here

[neon chasm]

outlaw doesn't scale well at all

[autumn bloom]

I don't know if I'd agree with that

[red plaza]

would you clip a rupture and garrote with a max one before exsanguinate?

[proper igloo]

how do i aoe

[neon chasm]

sin/sub scale much better with gear and the sims tend to agree

[autumn bloom]

Yeah but keep the empowerment

[red plaza]

if its a non empowered garrote ofc

[autumn bloom]

What are you basing that statement on jack

[neon chasm]

raidbot sims

try it out

sim sin at ilvl370 vs outlaw ilvl 370 with best traits

[river quarry]

reckon it's worth using a seal on world boss?

370 one.

could use a good trink but idk.

kinda over running shrines lmao

[autumn bloom]

Well outlaws best az traits just got nerfed

[civic palm]

Yeah probably.

[autumn bloom]

And sins have yet to be

[red plaza]

i can't see ss not being nerfed

[lone junco]

I simmed the trinket at 370. it was a loss

[civic palm]

COMING THIS TUESDAY

THE CRYINING

[river quarry]

lol nerfing sin

[civic palm]

HOW WELL FOTM OTL FLIPPERS COPE?!

[river quarry]

you actually think it'll happen?

[red plaza]

They're going to assassinate, our spec

yeeeeeeeeah

[autumn bloom]

A bunch of ppl gonna be like "I JUST REFORGED EVERYTHING TO SIN"

[river quarry]

uh

there are stronger classes

[autumn bloom]

these hoes ain't loyalllll

[neon chasm]

i don't think they will nerf SS and if they do not that hard

[river quarry]

people focus so much on rogue all the time. what about the other fkers topping logs? lmao

[neon chasm]

its not quite as insane as triple deadshot

[autumn bloom]

It's pretty close

[neon chasm]

plus DH doing insane damage right now

[autumn bloom]

Sin is barely worth playing without trip ss

[river quarry]

yeah nerf dh instead

[civic palm]

SIN is worth playing with 1SS > _>

[river quarry]

uhh.. i don't have triple ss

i have 1.

it's very worth playing still

[lofty sand]

its not about Sin being strong or not is about SS being the only worthwhile trait

[autumn bloom]

They shouldn't Nerf it into the ground but they should buff the other traits

[river quarry]

i don't know what you're talking about lmao

[civic palm]

COME TUESDAY WILL THIS CHANNEL FINALLY JUST BE RED AGAIN?!

WHO KNOWS!!

[river quarry]

im all 3

ty

[neon chasm]

let not forget just last week no one was playing sin

[lofty sand]

plus I think SS playstyle is even more brainlet than usual Sin, rewards you for very little effort

[neon chasm]

can't argue there

[lone junco]

my favorite kind.

[autumn bloom]

People are always playing sin

[lone junco]

g g g ct. take a sip

[river quarry]

sins nice

for prog.

[autumn bloom]

Sin is like the first spec ppl get told to learn

[river quarry]

less distracting honestly

and less punishing for making a mistake

[neon chasm]

sin rotation is smooth though

[civic palm]

SIN is still probably the least popular of the three specs.

[orchid lake]

at how many targets do u FoK instead of muti?

[neon chasm]

sub is awkward as hell

[lone junco]

3

[neon chasm]

3

[river quarry]

sub is fine for people who play it 24/7

[neon chasm]

garrote all 3 though

[orchid lake]

ty

[autumn bloom]

Sin? Less popular than sub? How do you figure

[river quarry]

i spent week 1 playing sub because even an officer said try it out and yeah, it fucked my logs. just a massive distraction zz

to be fair, first time playing sub.

[prime void]

How is it a distraction?

[pulsar goblet]

Lol

[lofty sand]

Dunno, Sin got a huge amount of players by the end of Legion didnt it? The crazy antorus sin with infinite energy

[prime void]

Like obviously you'll have to pay more attention to a rotation you've never played. Like duh

[river quarry]

lotta managing cds and energy.

I dunno man, just me maybe.

but I hadn't played it until 2 days prior to uldir so.

[autumn bloom]

Sub is pretty straightforward these days

None of the rogue specs are very complicated tbf

[neon chasm]

sub rotation is not good for raiding requires a lot of attention

[pulsar goblet]

Use dance with symbols.dont overcap dances

[lofty sand]

I don't like Sub because Shadow Dance always felt kinda awkward to me, it doesn't feel like it flows

[neon chasm]

it doesn't

it not smooth like sin or outlaw

[pulsar goblet]

I think it is

Dance and symbols off gcd

[river quarry]

comparing sin to sub, the level of attention required is hugely diff

[autumn bloom]

...how?

[civic palm]

O _O

[pulsar goblet]

Lol

[civic palm]

I am done here.

[river quarry]

also sub one mistake in managing cds = bye parse huehue

[inland socket]

Hey i try to change Spec Sub to Assa but i don't understand i've good stat, not BIS azerite but i don't DPS more than 9K HPS at 361 someone can help me?

[lone junco]

wut

[pulsar goblet]

Haha

[neon chasm]

totally agree with descry

[lone junco]

make a mistake managing vendetta vanish exang. and just wipe the raid

[autumn bloom]

You press the tb more often than you press symbols

[lone junco]

but ok

[neon chasm]

sub is not kind if you make a mistake hard to recovery

[autumn bloom]

...wut

[pulsar goblet]

What mistake

[neon chasm]

plus your opener is huge in sub

[lofty sand]

well I havent played with it enough tbh, I tend to keep up with my specs on a ok level but I think Sub would need more dedication to be at a point I can judge. Sub feels punishing and weird, like at one moment im a god the next I'm nothing if I dont have my little burst cds

[autumn bloom]

You fuck your symbols window you have another one in 20, seconds

[river quarry]

to be fair if I played sub longer than a week

[pulsar goblet]

Big brain conversation here.

[autumn bloom]

Sub being complex is a meme from old xpacs

[river quarry]

I'd probably feel the same way of "it's ez w/e"

but I've only played it once, for 1 week lmao.

[neon chasm]

its not a meme I can't raid as sub it too much attention and awkward

[river quarry]

for any spec it's easy once you've played it for a bit.

[autumn bloom]

I think feral is probably the hardest rogue spec out there atm

[neon chasm]

wow

feral is super easy though

[river quarry]

lawl i used to main feral

[autumn bloom]

They've still got snapshotting those poor souls

[neon chasm]

just keep dots up

[lofty sand]

"poor souls" they love it.

[pulsar goblet]

Sub = too much attention. Feral is easy 😂

[lofty sand]

they throw a hissy fit every time blizzard tries to take it away from them

[lean condor]

Remember the backstab positional reqs?

And keeping up recup

[lofty sand]

I miss recup

[autumn bloom]

Wtf is recup

I'm a legion player

[river quarry]

this shit world boss better give me loot

i swear to god

[cold zodiac]

/cast [@focus] doesn't work

[river quarry]

trinket pls

[lofty sand]

Recuperate, it was a finishing move that gave you a hot

[cold zodiac]

what is wrong with this macro?

[autumn bloom]

0_o

[cold zodiac]

Do you type the spell in the brackets?

[civic palm]

doesn't work is not a spell.

[autumn bloom]

Djinn that should work

[lone junco]

i got my GC from my weekly M+ box.

cause skill

[autumn bloom]

/cast [@focus] tricks of the trade

[river quarry]

...toy war machine

are you joking

[autumn bloom]

Works fine

[lofty sand]

just mouseover if you're having trouble with that particular macro

[azure drift]

whats the difference right now between sub and sin is it just more of a playstyle and they do pretty much the same dmg

[cold zodiac]

/cast [@focus] Blind is not working

Someone fix this macro please

[autumn bloom]

Sin does it's damage thru Dots and managing a couple self buffs

[cold zodiac]

I've lost 8 arenas now because blind doesn't work

[autumn bloom]

Right now the leading build focuses on empowering garrote

[lofty sand]

they play completely different and have different strengths???

they are nothing like one another

[cold zodiac]

and if you try to tab it will always prioritize totems/pets/random objects over players

[autumn bloom]

Subs whole thing is doing direct damage in frequent burst windows

They also can lightly cleave nearby adds to increase their st damage on a priority target

Kinda similar to enhs crash lightning if you know how it works

[daring imp]

@cold zodiac i'm fairly sure it works

is your binded key on mouse?

for the focus blind

[cold zodiac]

So here's the thing

I copied that out of my spell book

spamming it on a training dummy

Doesn't work

Deleted it

Copied what I pasted here

And it works now

So it's a literally shit bug

[autumn bloom]

🤔

[bold edge]

is there any special shit to sim like sub

or is it just nomal

[cold zodiac]

Maybe in the sub section

[bold edge]

im meaning for assass

[autumn bloom]

What special shit do you mean?

[bold edge]

single_actor_batch="1"
report_details="0"
desired_targets="1"
iterations="40000"
max_time="300"
raid_events+="/stun,first=48,cooldown=60,duration=12"
raid_events+="/adds,count=1,first=0,cooldown=60,duration=44"
raid_events+="/adds,count=1,first=0,cooldown=60,duration=46"
raid_events+="/adds,count=1,first=0,cooldown=60,duration=48"

calculate_scale_factors="1"
scale_only="strength,intellect,agility,crit,mastery,vers,haste,weapon_dps,weapon_offhand_dps"

that shit

for advanced sim

[lofty sand]

what is even that

[bleak storm]

hax

[autumn bloom]

Oh for mfd

[bold edge]

is that it

[autumn bloom]

Yes

[bold edge]

so if i dont run mfd

dont use it

[autumn bloom]

It's for simulating adds naturally dying

To help calculate mfd snipings potential value

Wait

[lofty sand]

`we don't use mfd in these parts

[autumn bloom]

I think? Fuu might also have just made that for more accurate aoe/cleave sims

[bold edge]

so should i just use stat weights

[autumn bloom]

@inland field clarification plox?

[bold edge]

for dungs?

[autumn bloom]

Yea

[bold edge]

easy

[mystic charm]

whats the settings for simming aoe/m+ ? 5 bosses and 1 minute ?

[civic palm]

Correct, HD has been updated with some AoE focused APLs.

[bold edge]

patchwerk?

[civic palm]

as per #tc-updates

Aethys Today at 12:13 PM

X-Post from HD since you'll be a lot wondering what is this new hero dungeon fighstyle:

Today's HeroDamage update will feature a mini rework of the fighstyles available.

I've been working on what is in my opinion a good approach to Mythic+ sims with what SimC allows. Unfortunately, SimC doesn't have for the moment a simple way to chain multiple fights like we would do in-game (i.e. for rogue, that would mean having free usage of stealth between packs), this means that some things will be undervalued (example: Shrouded Suffocation since it works from stealth only).
I'll make a page on the website a bit later this week explaining how the fightstyle was designed and how you can use it for your character as well as its limits.

The main idea is to have 30-40% of the fight with a boss and then chaining (with potential small breaks between packs) trashes that could be either 4-6mobs for ~15s or 1~3mobs for ~30s (they won't all die at the exact same time, more details on this later). Total duration is ~6mins which corresponds to what most people do in average, i.e. ~20-28mins which corresponds to a +10 dungeon at this moment.

All raid debuffs are also disabled, raid buffs are enabled (so bloodlust is used on the boss and the passive buffs are there since you can have both from items).

In addition to this, the 1TA fightstyle (Raid Boss w/ Adds) will now spawn between 3 and 5 adds instead of previous fixed 4.

Usage of abilities that could reset (like MfD) multiple times per waves are supported on both 1TA & HD fighstyles. (Default SimC fightstyles presets like HecticAddCleave doesn't support it yet)

We are also working on neat features that should be ready by the end of September and a big surprise for October ;)

PS: Keep in mind that all data relies on what SimC offers, i.e. on the state of the spec/class on SimC. If an APL isn't well done, doesn't support a talent/azerite or AoE fights in general, then results will not be right :wink:(edited)

As for the last paragraph, Rogue APLs are pretty good, there is not really much adjustments needed.

[fiery sedge]

Im having troubles with setting up my nameplates, i just want them to show the important debuffs on my target, was thinking of using elvui plater kiu. Which ones are easy to setup and good for tracking everything needed?

[civic palm]

Changing the shape/size of things in KUI is pretty simple.

[lofty sand]

I don't trust nameplates so I made a tmw for my dots on the current target

[fervent kraken]

hi, what is the proper time to use Galecaller's Boon trinket on Assa rogue (exsanguinate build), in same time with exsanguinate?

[plain thistle]

@fervent kraken on CD and with vendetta

basically 1 with vendetta + vanish + exs and 1 without anything

[inner pulsar]

In multi target, do yo CT before getting your Ruptures up, or after?

[plain thistle]

g>g>g>ct>FoK>rupture important targets

[inner pulsar]

Thank you

And are most people running their ST talents with CT for M+? Or are they switching up anything else? I know the guide has everything the same, just wondering if that is what most of y'all are doing as well

[hybrid harness]

Does anyone know if raidbots accounts for the uldir array bonus when simming?

[strange python]

how do i get more damage out on vectis? just holding 5cp for gestate to rupture?

[hybrid harness]

only if the add is going to live for 5cp worth

[flint swift]

Finally got my second dagger!!!

[hybrid harness]

I typically sit on 3ish cp then garrote>rupture the add

[barren cradle]

I'm 355 ilevel and do about 11k dps at 1mil on the raid dummy

is that decent?

[hybrid harness]

it usually dies in time

[barren cradle]

recently switched to sin

[red fiber]

I need guidance, uhm.

I'm running 355/325 daggers.

Should I buy a 355 with crit + vers and socket for 110k?

Or just wait for drops on Mother/Zul/Tol Dagor?

[safe matrix]

depends how much you value gold

the OH is mostly just a stat stick

you can sim your character with the dagger using raidbots "gear compare"

see how much of an upgrade, I probably wouldn't buy it though I'm too cheap

[red fiber]

How do I change my dagger in the gear compare to the one I want to sim?

I look it up through name?

Nevermind, just figured it.

[azure crescent]

It should be pretty straightforward in raidbots

[red fiber]

Yeah, I'm dumb, eheh.

[stark ridge]

do you guys prefer overwhelming power or heed my call? Not sure how fast overwhelming power drops stacks from taking dmg in the real world

[indigo epoch]

385 construct overcharger vs 355 spyglass...
Overcharger sims higher on raidbots, spyglass is higher on bloodmallet.... thoughts?

[stark ridge]

raidsbots >

[safe matrix]

^

[indigo epoch]

Hm ok

[zenith cedar]

Construct is terrible

[rain breach]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[still hare]

Contruct is not that good but its a 30 ilvl difference

[sand whale]

temple 11 is paaaaain

[vocal harbor]

do the combo points from shrouded suffocation stack?

[sand whale]

nope

[hazy skiff]

I apologize if anybody has asked this already, but when does archive of the titans/laser matrix outpace shrouded suffocation?

if it ever does

[sand granite]

Can anyone tell me why its a bad idea to (Garrote - Rupture - Garrote - Exsanguinate) on opener?

[stark ridge]

I have 370 heroic shoulders that sim a tiny bit beetter than my 340 with SS

[cold meteor]

@sand granite rupture will be 15s

[hazy skiff]

@smazing you apply exsan on a rupture

that is not max

[sand granite]

i got you, on a fresh rupture after vendetta right

then after a fresh rupture if vendetta is down

[onyx wind]

what

[cold meteor]

Exsang always after fresh full pandemic garrot & rupt

[reef oxide]

@hazy skiff been looking for this myself

[sand granite]

got it ty

[sterile tinsel]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[rain breach]

Mizeroks updated his wa's greatly the last days

[civic palm]

O _O"

[proper igloo]

is the ravenholdt assassin guide accurate

and also what do you guys like better exsang or the green instant one

[civic palm]

Guide is accurate, check #tc-updates for updates to HeroDamage and the intention of your options there, EX and TB server different purposes but people seem keen on EX atm.

[cold zodiac]

So CT+Ex Fort weeks and PB+TB For Tyr weeks yes?

[civic palm]

Depends on your actual clear speeds.

[frosty obsidian]

just run 3x ss and exs ct

[civic palm]

If things during Fort. weeks still die in 15 seconds, CT still loses.

[cold zodiac]

I'm looking at logs and a lot of people are taking the raid Azerite traits over SS

[proper igloo]

3 shrouded suffocation is ideal?

[cold zodiac]

ilvl make them that much better?

[civic palm]

Stats matter.

150 this week, 225 next week.

[proper igloo]

anyone know which dungeons drop the ss trait items?

[civic palm]

https://azerite.info

[proper igloo]

ty

[civic palm]

bracers for it to NOT EMBED

There.

[cold zodiac]

@proper igloo You can go to Icy viens

Under Azerite armor for every single class there's a search function. Will list drop location and filters by azerite trait

So You can look for peoples with say resounding protection or Heed my call. Or of course the only one that matters SS

[languid harness]

When playing with exsg, whats the ideal opener? I've seen people dishing out 35-40k bursts. I'm however only getting about 25-30k.
I have 360ilvl, very close to the top sim stats. And 3x SS

I've been looking at various of guides, ravenholdt included, but still can't get those numbers.

[warm parcel]

Luck and consumables

[proper igloo]

what poison should i be usiing?

[warm parcel]

Deadly

[proper igloo]

and aoe am i just fok rupturing everything or what?

praying for a poison bomb

[warm parcel]

pb doesnt matter

[potent rune]

is there a wa to track empowered garrotes with subterfuge talent?

[flint jetty]

yeah

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[flint jetty]

thru mizeroks link

@potent rune

[wary pawn]

what addons for nameplates you guys use to see DoTs? (One that lags the least)

[lusty narwhal]

Kui nameplates

[dark token]

https://i.imgur.com/5WzRazo.png nerfs inc

[lusty narwhal]

And WA

M+ logs = nerf lul

Theyd be more likely to go off raid but yeah that seems nutty

[autumn bloom]

Yokes

Rotlock in m+???

[wary pawn]

Does Toxic Blade makes for a more fluid less energy hungry and DoT management madness experience? lol

I just simed and Toxic blade is aminor increase in DpS

But one would think that's not the case

[autumn bloom]

Exsang is just more fun

And synergizes nice with the Uber garrote build that is popular atm

[wary pawn]

Right, makes sense

[autumn bloom]

Tb is more forgiving because it's on a short cooldown, but you also want to try to fit a lot of envenoms in it so if you're feeling energy starved it might not be the best thing

[wary pawn]

Yeah, IDK I only have 9% haste

[autumn bloom]

You playing with vigor?

[wary pawn]

yeah

[autumn bloom]

Might just need to work out when you need to pool then

Assa can feel energy starved if you try to stay gcd locked

[wary pawn]

Hnmm

But what would be a good place to pool? I play Sub man IDK shit about Assassin

lol

I'm changing cuz Assassin is just the better spec imo

[autumn bloom]

When your dots don't need refreshing

And when you don't need to referesh your envenom buff

When playing with tb it can help to try to pool before it comes off of cooldown

[wary pawn]

hnmm

Is there a way to sim that?

[autumn bloom]

To sim pooling?

[wary pawn]

yes

[autumn bloom]

Think the apl already does

[lusty narwhal]

Anyone else find it insanely difficult to decide on an alt

[autumn bloom]

Yea

[lusty narwhal]

Fk me

[thorn grove]

Just pick lock

Hue

[lusty narwhal]

Gross

Probs mage or warrior

[proven knoll]

So because of the bugged shrouded suff, is it optimal to stall garroting outside of subterfuge until any of the garrotes applied with it fall off?

That's what I'm assuming after reading that pin

[haughty flame]

u should be using 3x empowered garrotes so that u dont bug out the trait

if u do 3x empowered, then garrote a 4th normal

it will bug it

[proven knoll]

3 empowered? Don't you only do two inside subterfuge on single target

garrote rupt garrote

[haughty flame]

oh ur talking ST

[proven knoll]

yeah

[haughty flame]

yep

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QY5P-Br0AE

minute 19:00

[sturdy python]

CT on 2 targets?

[haughty flame]

dont spec CT

😄

[strange python]

M+ CT is op

[autumn bloom]

CT is amazing

[haughty flame]

ew

adds atm dont stay alive fast enough

[sturdy python]

I know, was wondering if its worth on 2 targets

[autumn bloom]

No

[proven knoll]

thought it's only good for fort week

[autumn bloom]

CT is a theoretical gain on 3+ targets but shines above that

If an add doesn't live long enough for a 12 second dot then you're doing braindead content anyway

[dapper moat]

Quick ine; what parse% means in warcraft logs?

[autumn bloom]

Your percentile of performance

[true aurora]

Is tricks of the trade bugged out? I keep getting an invalid message when I try and tricks the tank. I reloaded my ui too

[autumn bloom]

I.e 90% means you did better than 89% of other sin rogues

He might have neural silencer blaydes

[strange python]

What do you mean adds dont live long enough ?

[autumn bloom]

CT is insane if something will live for 12 seconds,but if they won't then why are you bringing a sin rogue

[strange python]

On my +12 freehold trash packs were alive for about 15-20s

CT destroys in that scenario

[autumn bloom]

About a 3% loss in ST if pb procs

[proper igloo]

do you use ct single target at all?

[autumn bloom]

No

[strange python]

Ni

No

[civic palm]

CT is dead.

O _O

[autumn bloom]

Wut

[strange python]

Also if you guys didnt try it yet

Full crit mastery build for m+

Pog

[civic palm]

https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/combinations-3a/hd-t22-assassination-exsg

[proper igloo]

so now mfd or vigor?

[autumn bloom]

Probably a quirk of the APL

[civic palm]

Quirk of the brand new APL?

[autumn bloom]

Because it's basically trying to use a boss fight to simulate a dungeon

Yeah they straight up said that it will undervalue certain things bc of the nature of it

[civic palm]

Same level of damage mitigation between PBOMB and CT so?

[autumn bloom]

Because half of that sim is a single target fight

[civic palm]

30-40% sure

[autumn bloom]

Where CT is not coming into play

And the rest of it has encounters of 1-3 targets, where CT is not valuable as well

[proper igloo]

so does exsanguinate still work when i refresh dots or only on already aplied dots

[civic palm]

Huh?

The main idea is to have 30-40% of the fight with a boss and then chaining (with potential small breaks between packs) trashes that could be either 4-6mobs for ~15s or 1~3mobs for ~30s (they won't all die at the exact same time, more details on this later). Total duration is ~6mins which corresponds to what most people do in average, i.e. ~20-28mins which corresponds to a +10 dungeon at this moment.

It can be a 1-3 pack, not is a 1-3 pack.

Exsanguinate is for the Bleeds applied at the time.

[proper igloo]

ty

[autumn bloom]

My point is that it's still essentially a single Target Sim with adds

Which CT will never do well on

[civic palm]

But with breaks and stealth taken into consideration.

and MFD resets/etc.

[autumn bloom]

It doesn't consider stealth

That's explicitly stated in the rundown

[muted wagon]

^

[onyx falcon]

miz wuts that cut outta?

one of the guides i assume

[autumn bloom]

It's over valuing PB and hb because they have at least some value for the entire simulatiom

[civic palm]

Which would only means that SS would gain more.

[autumn bloom]

Right

[civic palm]

Which are neither PBOMB, or CT.

[autumn bloom]

Correct

[civic palm]

But?

@onyx falcon #tc-updates

[autumn bloom]

It is over valuing PB and HB because they are a dps increase for the 40% of the encounter that is single target

[civic palm]

Also, if CT (a major talent choice) was undervalued they surely would have spoke on it.

But bosses are 30-40% of the encounter and the rest is literally all cleave burst for between 15 and 30 seconds.

Both cleave scenarios are ones where CT is spammed.

[autumn bloom]

Potentially on packs of 1-3 mobs

[civic palm]

for 30s, where CT wins given the longer duration of the encounter.

and the longer the cleave encounter is maintained, the better CT does.

and even with MFD I do not see how CT could be undervalued.

Unless the spell is literally not used.

[autumn bloom]

Because its one encounter

[nimble tartan]

ye the apl still is weird since it doesnt value the restealth into triple garrote

[civic palm]

a 6min encounter where most of it is in cleave...

[nimble tartan]

which is why shrouded suff is like below swirling sands

in the herodungeon m+ azerite stack

[autumn bloom]

So instead of it being "here is the value of this talent on cleave and here is the value on single target"

It is mixing the two into one result

[nimble tartan]

ct is very VERY good in m+

[civic palm]

Yeah this is about the entire dungeon...

[autumn bloom]

Where something that is valued in 100% of the simulation is gonna pull ahead

[civic palm]

Which isn't CT, even outside of the SIM.

Which is taking average values of fight lengths over the average of M+10 dungeons lengths.

[nimble tartan]

pb is so miniscule even on mythic+ boss dps

[strange python]

Pb is alright

[nimble tartan]

u get thicc ass dps with crimson tempest even on boss fights with adds in m+

[autumn bloom]

Literally the way it is structured there is no way CT could compete.

[nimble tartan]

ive yet to see any high m+ers play without ct

just play with it youll see its sick

[civic palm]

I have seen > _>

[autumn bloom]

Not at all a reason to say the talents dead

[civic palm]

I mean even in the SIM isn't only like what, a 2% loss?

[autumn bloom]

12k vs about 11.3

Iirc

[civic palm]

4-5*

[strange python]

Frag plays without CT

And pulls crazy numbers

[autumn bloom]

Anyone can pull crazy numbers by tab garroting from stealth

Tbf

[civic palm]

and weak is also on the PBOMB train unironically I think.

[nimble tartan]

it kind of depends on the dungeon as well

like some dungeons have little baby doodoo adds

like waycrest

i could see just playing pb

even on 10+ they are smoll boys

shrine has alot of small boys as well

[strange python]

I cant imagine 10+ shrine without CT

Tbh

[nimble tartan]

ye its still super good idk im def sticking with ct

[autumn bloom]

I think it's funny ppl still shit on hb tho

When it's cleaning house in that sim

[civic palm]

It needs a good application, most people were thinking it needed NS to work well, and people don't wanna NOT FoK.

[autumn bloom]

Yeah

[thick musk]

Should I extend my dots pre pandemic for exs if a mob in m+ will die during the exs time but the regular dot time is too long?

[strange python]

What is the breakpoint with crit to not fok for 1 CP in aoe pack ?

25%+?

[civic palm]

4+ targets?

[proven ice]

You can get 1cp from 10 mobs with 99% crit

it's random

[strange python]

Yeah

Its so frustrating when i keep foking in 4+ targets for 1cp

Probably even more frustrating because i played sub for 2 straight years

[autumn bloom]

:)

[strange python]

:(

But other than that assa in m+ is interesting

[rose dove]

I switched to assass recently since I got no useful traits for outlaw and im having SO much fun in m+ ! 😃

[strange python]

Ive got only 2 garrote trait

[autumn bloom]

I'm the other way

Playing a lot of outlaw lately

[strange python]

Also my 340 garrote trait sims higher than 370 piece

👌

[rose dove]

Outlaw is fun most of the time, other times I roll single 8 times in a row

[autumn bloom]

SS gonna get nerfed calling it now

[rose dove]

I really hope not, but probably will be

[strange python]

Its fine if they buff some thing else

Maybe rapture trait

(not because i have all 3 on 370 (

[lusty narwhal]

As long as outlaw isnt top spec im happy

[strange python]

:_

[lusty narwhal]

Fk that shit

[strange python]

Hello, what s the best stat priority for pvp?

[high siren]

hey guys, do you have any good nameplates solution? I currently have tidy plates continued, and even with the setting « do not overlap », they do overlap

And i just can’t target what I want 😦

[modest zodiac]

how do you deal with matrix duty on sin? It seems odd not to have the hook

[rose dove]

Personally I cant stand nameplates that dont overlap

[high siren]

how do you target then ?

[rose dove]

Tab

[high siren]

yeah, you’re tabbing a lot

[strange python]

I use threat plates

[rose dove]

Always used tab to target so just used to it I guess

[strange python]

Kind of useful for this week

[high siren]

wheb there are 3-4 bigs mobs with 10 small adds, i want to garrote the big mobs

but tabbing is a pain

[rose dove]

Idk, I feel clicking nameplates that clutter my whole screen is more bothersome than tabbing

[high siren]

:/

once we were on toldagor, ouf blood dk mass grip on the second boss after he ran away

[rose dove]

That said if some mob is 4x larger than small adds, i sometimes click the mob

[high siren]

i think i really tabed for 15 sec before getting the boss back

[strange python]

Use the addon that makes circle around ur cursor

Makes it easier to click

[high siren]

i dont see how that could help

i dint lose my cursor

didnt *

i just couldnt click on boss nameplate

[strange python]

Hm

[cosmic pier]

whats the best way to use this, macro'd to vendetta?

[high siren]

also, mobs casting something I want to kick

again, can’t click, and tab wont always target the correct thing

[cosmic pier]

or just on cd?

[rose dove]

@high siren I use elvui / tukui. At some point I accidentally clicked something nameplate related in settings and suddenly nameplates were all over the goddamn place, so elvui certainly has that non-stacking
option

[rigid sky]

just switch from overlapping to stacking mode for nameplates

[high siren]

like in shrine where there are all those globules + those mobs healung

[autumn bloom]

Macro to vendetta seems best

[cosmic pier]

thats what i thought, line the damage buffs up

[high siren]

healing *

[rose dove]

Tab usually targets aggressive mobs over yellow mobs so I havent had trouble with that in SotS

[strange python]

For me tab always targets mob with skull or other mark on it

Idk why

[buoyant ember]

Hey guys, I realize this has prob been asked and answered, but I scrolled for an hour and couldn't find it. Are there azerite traits that stack weel? If so is there a spreadsheet I could go read on that specific topic?

[safe matrix]

Yeah

In the pins

Herodamage/bloodmallet

Have sims of the traits

And you can check by stack/ilvl

[buoyant ember]

Thanks, I was just not exploring the right tabs.

I feel so dumb. I didnt even consider to stack them. Ive been itemizing trying to not duplicate traits...

[safe matrix]

Some traits are really front loaded

And some aren't

Some get better the more stacks you have

[echo geyser]

Do haste procs like trinket/wep enchant affect bleed n poisons that are already on the target before u got the proc?

[slender hare]

yes

except Esxansguinate bleeds, which are snapshot

[cyan stump]

you want to use exsg with maximum duration on the rupture and garrote? is it percentage based?

[inland path]

https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/combinations-3a/hd-pr-subtlety

how comes this is way higher than the exsang version?

[river citrus]

!opener

[safe matrix]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/

[woeful prawn]

I've noticed that in the simc apl for assassination it will pool some energy before an envenom against a single target, but its not mentioned in the guide.

how important is pooling?

[strange python]

dont cap

[vagrant brook]

Its probably to refresh elaborate planing right before it runs out

As long as u dont cap

[woeful prawn]

thanks, ill hit some dummys

i have a few habbits to break

[strange python]

if i vanish after my first empowered garrotes fall to reapply, do i delay my next vendetta to line up with my second vanish

its like 20 sec or something

[warm parcel]

At around 220 ye

[kindred cedar]

Isnt sub gonna be superior in this tier due to the azerite traits in the armor that drop in uldir? I sim like over 1k more as sub atm, but i wanna Play assa lol

[mighty summit]

Sub has some fights, assa has some fights

[safe matrix]

https://www.wowprogress.com/guild/eu/frostwhisper/Memento @frigid lagoon

there are a few there

dunno if its weak perspective

[warm parcel]

I have

But tumor hasnt added them apparently

[safe matrix]

your zul video is there

[warm parcel]

Nvm

Theyre all there

[vestal wren]

nice, they where not yday

[warm parcel]

I just assumed they were havis pov ones

[safe matrix]

did you play sub for all the bosses

or switch in and out of sin/sub?

[warm parcel]

Sin sin sin sin arcane sub and now arcane

[vestal wren]

exsang on most i assume?

[warm parcel]

Vec was mfd tb

[safe matrix]

mfd sin

thats interesting

[civic palm]

Is it?

[safe matrix]

I haven't really seen many people run anything other than vigor

[civic palm]

Sure.

Vectis is pretty set for tunneling a boss and getting alot of resets.

[warm parcel]

I just wanted to try out mfd

[safe matrix]

I've been thinking about DS for exsang build

if you have high enough haste energy shouldnt be an issue

[warm parcel]

Well

If you ever have 5 mins of endless cleave you can use ds

Cause at that point vigor does nothing

[safe matrix]

yeah, and a lot of damage for exsang is from garrote. Which DS doesn't buff

[gray glade]

What's mfd

[safe matrix]

Marked for death

t30 talent

same tier as vigor

[gray glade]

Thank u don't know the short term for talents yet

I like useing vigor

Tho I'm hard time figuring out 100 talent been useing fan but only because I don't how low of proc posion bomb is

I don't like I meant

Sry

[safe matrix]

if you think thats low

it used to be 1% per point and hit like a truck

[indigo goblet]

guys, do you play Zek'voz (HC )as a singletarget or multitarget boss?

[undone cairn]

during aoe do you guys apply ruptures with ct?

[gray glade]

Last time I checked it was 4 percent is it still lthe same

[safe matrix]

4% per point

20% for a 5 combo point finisher

it used to be 5% for a 5 point finisher

[gray glade]

Ok that's allot kk I'll retry that i dint know how the process was I try to use 5 points on most stuff

Proc rate was can't type

[safe matrix]

its pretty convenient

You don't really have to play around it

[gray glade]

I'm useing rogue mainly for pvp this expansion

[safe matrix]

#pvp probably knows best about these things

most people here pve

[strange python]

hi guys! are the stat weights for PVP like PVE? any way to look this up?

[gray glade]

But we will have to see I hear haste is what. Is that true or r we still stacking mastery

[worn bridge]

I know there is probably somewhere to find this, but I promise I have had a look in the pins and in the guide.

I am a relatively new rogue (not played since vanilla), I have been making outlaw, but really prefer the sin playstyle, I am struggling to get my head around what to do in some situations, either. 2/3 cleave (which I think is just a case of keeping up gar and rup), but in m+ with big pulls I just am unsure as the best way to handle it.

[safe matrix]

triple garrote from stealth (don't do a fourth if you have shrouded suffocation), FoK is your main combo point generator on 3+ targets, get crimson tempest ticking, toss out a couple ruptures for energy regen (assuming targets live), maintain CT dot on 3-6 targets at 6+ you spam it as your finisher, otherwise you use envenom as your finisher

[ebon bramble]

wonder what the chances are that rogues dont receive any chances in the PTR

[worn bridge]

Ty Liavre.

[safe matrix]

its a crude write up tbh, but should cover most of it

[little frigate]

@safe matrix SPAM ctempest? Or spam envenoms until ctempest is almost done ticking?

[safe matrix]

depends how many targets there are

iirc its 6+ that the initial damage hits harder than envenom

[little frigate]

lets say 3, for ease

[safe matrix]

maintain the buff

[worn bridge]

It is a starting point I can practise with.

[little frigate]

yeah with large packs I also spam ct

[safe matrix]

"maintain CT dot on 3-6 targets at 6+ you spam it as your finisher, "

[indigo goblet]

i spam ct when there are 4+ enemies

[little frigate]

tbh, they should just buff the damn talents

talent*

we barely pull that many mobs now with bursting, so I roll with PB

[safe matrix]

PB is good for that, but usually you want to take CT

except on like KR where all the pulls are small

it depends on the dungeon/affix

[little frigate]

Aye, without bursting we pull packs of 10 which makes ct more interesting

[safe matrix]

we comp immunities in

[little frigate]

oh man, dont mention KR or ill puke

[safe matrix]

cloak removes bursting stacks

same with al the other immunities

iceblock

etc

[little frigate]

yep

[indigo goblet]

cloak safed me so many times in shrine, so many wrong pulls leading to so many bursting stacks

[little frigate]

those damn blobs haha

[alpine garden]

Blood ticks in Underrot 😦

"Dont AoE! too late...."

[little frigate]

"dont aoe!" shit there's a dh/warrior in the group

[safe matrix]

you can avoid every blood tick pack

I hate them so I do

[alpine garden]

I can

[safe matrix]

no, everyone can

[alpine garden]

Tell that to my pug brethren

[safe matrix]

🤷

[alpine garden]

Zactly

[little frigate]

is anyone doing island exp btw?

i thought id do one yesterday and there was 1 group in the finder

[willow pulsar]

How does exanguinate works? I mean after we use exang do we w8 until dots fall of or we simply refresh them on pandemic time

[gray glade]

I just finished mine on hunter

[little frigate]

you wait

[safe matrix]

let it tick out fully

dont refresh early, otherwise you're overwriting the buffed bleeds with nonbuffed ones

[willow pulsar]

Ok, then i was doing it right.

Thanks for advice