to each their own
#assassination
void pecan
summer yoke
just wear the 395 to join the group then switch to galecaller π
spice surge
Groups see your unequiped ilvl anyway
void pecan
^
summer yoke
oh thats cool. learn something new!
empty swift
quick question when using exsang build, after you apply bleeds > exsang, 1) do you need to let those bleeds fall off, and/or 2) if you immediately reapply bleeds (assuming they are in pandemic window) does it override those exsang bleeds?
zinc skiff
Since TB is better for longer fights is that what yallre taking for +10's and higher rn?
spice surge
It overwrites them, so dont refresh @empty swift
lone junco
@empty swift just let all exang fall off and refresh right after.
empty swift
ok got it, thanks boyz
civic locust
Do i use galecaller on cooldown or do i wait for next exsang?
spice surge
CD
@zinc skiff TB isnt very much stronger in longer fights, there isnt any long fights in m+ either. Atleast i wouldnt consider a 2-3 min fight very long
Different setups sim different with exsang/tb, sometimes one is better than the other
zinc skiff
So take exang in non raid situations is what im hearing.
hollow stone
You usually get your 2nd exsang vani vend in tyrannical which makes it sweet
round harbor
Vs 5 tbs
zinc skiff
Sounds good
hollow stone
Oh yeah. Theyre close
final star
play whichever you prefer the style of tbh
true rapids
Woudld exsang beat out TB with 3 shrouded suffocation? my sims say they are within 1% of each other but, I feel like it should be a bigger diff
round harbor
It's not tho so don't make it one
Play what u want
Unless it doing 15s it doesn't matter
glacial steppe
whats the correct exsang opener?
spice surge
There isnt a big difference, hence why when the question is asked the answer is always simyoself
zinc skiff
Simming for an overall M+ build is rather hard
is the issue
if TB and EX are really close on the bossews
but EX is better for adds
then ex build probs what u want
round harbor
Crit mastery, a little haste on the rings and ur set
spice surge
They're close on everything
zinc skiff
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
cold patio
oh man got 390 overcharger and it sims bad again gale 360 + fathom 355...
empty swift
can anyone explain how to use exsang in aoe/m+ (i.e. trash) situations, the ravenholdt guide nor icy veins seems to mention it in aoe situations
uneven swallow
Is it have a sense to use Galecaller's Boon with hero?
frosty dome
Hey, im new to sin. how do i play around Exsanguinate? do i delay Exanguinate until i refresh my bleeds or do i refresh my bleeds right before exsanguinate comes off CD
uneven swallow
Cool,thanks
grim sable
moving to exsanguination, when should I hit the button in M+?
gentle belfry
Guys is archive of the titans bis for us like.. ever? Even if we stack it>'
zinc skiff
You do, just not if you have other stealth/vanished empowered garrots out
plain moon
Should you delay exsang for vendetta and just alternate one exsang in vendetta, one out?
and just line up the exsangs with gale callers
rugged blaze
I guess you should never override a empowered garrote with a normal one, just let it drop off?
gentle belfry
Guys is archive of the titans bis for us like.. ever? Even if we've been stacking since week 1?
rugged blaze
Ah! I'm just a noob at sin atm π
heavy forge
got it, never pandemic a good garrote with a shit garrote
slow mountain
Is it worth casting 2/3 cp envenoms while emp garrote is up to keep 100% uptime on elaborate planning?
hexed root
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
lone junco
@slow mountain There is speculation about that. But I haven't seen it closely studied. You can use Ct. and rupture in m.+ to keep ep going.
gray shuttle
crimson tempest?
slow mountain
Forgot to mention only for st
gentle belfry
I would like to know this as well
bleak sedge
guys when is the efective time to pool on assassination?
hexed root
really dumb question
can someone explain to me empowered garrote/why it empowers on a second garrote applied from stealth?
gray shuttle
is it pull or pool?
sturdy nova
pool energy is my guess
daring imp
@hexed root using subterfuge
counts as "being in stealth"
@slow mountain toxic blades or exsang?
hexed root
right, so why does it apply on the second application and not the first?
kind dock
So torn.. Simcraft says use my 355 galecallers.. Raidbots says to use my 370 lions guile
daring imp
it applies since the first application
the second one is to make it last longer
to extend pandemic timer
hexed root
hmmmm 2 secs
hexed root
nvm, it's my wa that was confusing me
daring imp
2.5s garrote ( duration 16s, adds until 23.4s )
hexed root
i was saying 2 secs as in give me a sec sorry lol
but we let the emp garrote fall off over refreshing it dont we?
daring imp
ye
sturdy nova
does that include vanish garrote?
polar condor
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
strange python
Yes it includes vanish garrote because the garrote should be empowered
sturdy nova
g r g m r v exs the vanish g m rup?
spice surge
@kind dock Then you're using different versions, because raidbots is simcraft
hushed turtle
I would double garrote in a vanish rather than mut
Fully pandemic the empowered garrotr
sturdy nova
that makes sense
undone verge
Why not triple garrote?
hexed root
im surprised how long you don't refresh/use a bigger rupture with TB build
sturdy nova
i've been mutilating this whole time -. -
hushed turtle
What's the point of a triple garrote on a single mob ur wasting combos and not adding anything to the dot
undone verge
@hot coyote looking for celeb emoji here
hushed turtle
I try to have 2 cp before vanish then g r g for 5 cp rupture plus fully pandemicd garrote
hexed root
"Garrote
Rupture
Garrote
Vendetta
Toxic Blade
Envenom
Mutilate till 4+ combo points
Envenom
Vanish when Garrote runs out
Garrote twice"
that's only a 2-3 point rupture
burnt kernel
^
spice surge
You dont let it drop anyway
So it doesnt matter
Only duration scales with CP, not damage
hexed root
gotcha
slender pewter
undone verge
So you donβt 5+cp rupture?
burnt kernel
btw, has the garrote been fixed so we can caste garrote a 4th time unempowered and it doesn't bug out the other 3?
spice surge
Not in the opener no
hexed root
its always 4+ if about to fall no?
spice surge
@burnt kernel no
hushed turtle
No
hexed root
i'll check right now snak
burnt kernel
Are they even planning on fixing it?
spice surge
π€·
hushed turtle
Shrug
burnt kernel
damn.. That's kinda lame
hexed root
feels kinda awkward but its not that big of a deal imho
sturdy nova
lets hope they fix it before ss nerf rather than after
hushed turtle
It's cool, it's still beta, they have time to fix before live
hexed root
gotta be patient with those indie game devs
celest mirage
do you save 3rd exang for vansih /vendetta?
spice surge
third exsang is at 1.35
vanish is at 2.20
So no, you use it because its back up
You do hold vendetta for vanish though
celest mirage
gotcha
hybrid thicket
Guys which rotation are u using for that quick arena burst ?
warm cove
anyone wanna look at my log on mother? some quick tips on what to hold and so
hot coyote
slow mountain
@daring imp exang
warm cove
lion's guile bis?
maybe it's slightly better because of the high ilvl, but my 370 one is worse than my 340 galecallers
split dirge
anyone know what "bleeding" is in this context? is it something i should be disabling to compare my target dummy damage?
tidal sedge
talking about Doom's Wake
split dirge
it the same thing
spice surge
Doom's wake and lion's guile is identical
solid mural
!stat
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > mastery > vers >= haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.
spice surge
But yes GC is better, assuming you can stand in it
Doom's is not a bad trinket though
spice surge
π€
warm cove
galecaller burst should be better with exang though
spice surge
2 on-use trinkets is pretty..suboptimal π€
alpine garden
Yeah Im having to run galecallers with plumage atm because ilvl
Though Im wondering if my 340 emblem of Zand isnt worth using over plumage tbh
warm cove
sim it and you'll see
spice surge
If only there was a tool that did such complex mathematical computations
where you could find out what would be the best
civic palm
l o l
tidal sedge
i do have a 350 spyglass too i guess i need to go sim as well
kind dock
So, follow simcraft or raidbots sims.. ;x they are saying opposites lol
alpine garden
Need to talk about something whilst sitting in the raidbot queue
alpine garden
Emblem wins by 50 dps, better keep plumage for applying to m+ pugs
warm cove
u wanna see proper depression?
tidal sedge
show me
heavy forge
what the fuck does this mean btw
"No Suffered Suffocation powers for Toxic Blade"
oh, I got it now np
spice surge
If you have no SS and TB
tidal sedge
that'll do it
spice surge
y
frosty oak
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6sEUETxttRt4Eu7keAJDvo i need 340 shoulders, i'd be over 14k π¦
last i simmed it was like a 600 dmg increase for just having 340 shoulders over my 325s
split dirge
if i sim this with no buffs at all up over 3min
is doing 9.9k in exact same situation on target dummy ok?
spice surge
Well yes, as the median of 28k tries is 10.2k
daring imp
@gilded root yea then sorry i was a but away
orchid wraith
its sad that my 340 head and chest sim better than my 370 items just because of ss π¦
civic palm
Yeah well don't hold your breath on that one.
crude hinge
what do you guys think about exanguinate being better for mythics and mythic +'s
still hare
Iβm still wearing a 325 shoulders because of ss
daring imp
i think once you get used to exs you start seeing its true beauty
autumn bloom
Exsang is lit
warm cove
exang is amazing for boss fights
autumn bloom
Exsang is amazing for everything
lone junco
@spice surge I have a berserker juju haste that you can /use /use. For like 1600 haste exang. Lust pushes me to like 74% haste. A fat tf might be neat.
spice surge
uh
sturdy grove
I have a question for exang, i'm still confuse. Should i wait before reapplying rupture or should i reapply it at 7sec with exang ?
lone junco
Yes. I bind them to vendetta.
I copied the GC text in sim and made another line with juju.
It falls apart after 220 tho.
warm cove
can i write a ticket to blizzard so that they remove the 15 day ban on item recovery?
spice surge
You also need to be on low hp though, right?
split dirge
i think you can in some situations but idk if theyll do it for no reason
lone junco
Losing fathoms might not be great tho.
warm cove
appearently one of the shitty items for outlaw has ss for assasin and will give me fat deeps
split dirge
but they did it when they removed some items that were wrongly given
since people deleted other gear for it
lone junco
That trinket goes from like 500h at 100% 550h at 50% and 600 haste at 1%.
It's not as drastic as you would imagine.
warm cove
is +150 dps reason enough? xD
spice surge
lol
strange python
can one of my logs look?
spice surge
I dont have item restoration ready for it though noobe π¦
And idk how rares work, do they respawn for WQ's only or what?
lone junco
I happened to get a socket. So I kept it.
I hope it might push full exang alignment to 1 min intervals.
alpine pilot
are we using bursting blood on ST? or agi potion?
spice surge
well, GL HF getting a high ilvl one π
lone junco
Small brain stuff. I hate the desync.
spice surge
Always agi
lone junco
Haste is > agi rn.
alpine pilot
bursting blood not good for us?
steel bane
guys, did they fix SoF bug?
warm cove
sim it, for me bursting > agi st pw 5 min and agi any time there are adds
spice surge
SoF?
warm cove
but I usually bring both pots, like opening on st I use bursting, and then if adds need to go down i use agi
compact sinew
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/m4bzxTHq7uMVCYLPdPUBKG hit 14k bois Pog
lone junco
remember when haste values were so high that your animations revert to main hand only? I'm getting that on my rogue now. 75% haste during trinket lust.
Stick stick stick. Mh is hilarious.
stable pine
!bug
spice surge
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
strange python
hidden merlin
hey can someone tell me how to use vanish after the opener properly ? should i use it like a second/third opener (garrote>rupture>garrote) or somewhat else like (garrote>garrote>rupture for example)
hollow haven
i think garrote trait is not bugged anymore
hollow haven
or no
compact sinew
neon cedar
link it
velvet kernel
pm?
terse shuttle
wc
proven ice
link it russia bot
lone forge
sorry for noobie question, im a noobie rogue, level 37 in fact.
what is envenoms purpose and how is it intended to be used?
sweet flame
it does damage and increases your poison application chance
if rupture is already active on a target, you use envenom to spend combo points
lone forge
maybe its different later on, but right now my poison pretty much is alway applied when i start combat with something
onyx wind
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
sweet flame
each auto attack has a 50% chance to apply poison, after the initial application, each time it would be applied deals additional instant damage
frosty oak
i mean ghuun buffs you for 50% dmg
onyx wind
its 25%
sweet flame
had several pulls in the 45k range on ghuun last night
little warren
What's the point of garroting twice back to back after vanishing on the opener with the SS trait?
onyx wind
@sweet flame logs?
sweet flame
to maximize pandemic on garrote
onyx wind
Or do you mean
brave rampart
% of debuff is carried forward if you refresh.
onyx wind
10 sec after pull
lone forge
mm @sweet flame u mean when you use envenom it does instant damage based on whether or not theyre poisoned already?
desert oyster
Is it better to use vanish to apply garrote after the fist exsang or should I hold it to pair with second exsang?
onyx wind
i have 30k dp
use it after first garrotee runs out
so u get vendetta
and it will come up for ur second vendetta
brave rampart
@lone forge Envenom increases your poison application rate, when you have deadly poison up on a target you deal instant damage each time you should've applied it to a target that already has it.
sweet flame
@lone forge no, it does instant damage based on combo points spent, then increases your poison application chance to 100% for a few seconds. Deadly Poison says that if a target is already taking damage over time, whenever its applied again the target takes instant damage
brave rampart
eyyy π
sweet flame
either way: Envenom is used if a target already has rupture on them, there's no other way to spend combo points on single target
proven ice
Doesn't envenom only boost it to 80%?
onyx wind
pretty sure its not 100% yeah
proven ice
Double dose would be very good if it was 100%
lone forge
well, at this stage in my character, my haste is garbage and im out of energy immidiately
opal meadow
SS damage is per tick, not overall right?
proven ice
correct
onyx wind
yes
opal meadow
that's insane
sweet flame
Yeah, if you have less haste, you'll do fewer envenoms
proven ice
That's why it's #1
inner tree
on mythic zek voz would u keep vanish garrote for add or on cd on boss ?
opal meadow
kinda crazy it's #1 with vanish having such a long cd, but yeah it's so much damage
lone forge
well im level 37 so my list of things i can do is rather short xD
spice surge
It also gets multiplied by subterfuge
opal meadow
yeah
opal meadow
Do it to get those parses up /s
proven ice
yes
sweet flame
your traits suck
lone forge
gotta say, questing as a rogue is fuuuuun
void pecan
3x ss
sweet flame
500 per tick, per trait, multiplied by subterfuge
austere mesa
you don't always get to cast it from stealth tho
warm cove
double dose is op
spice surge
Its not 500 also, it scales with AP, so its more like 800-900
sweet flame
all of your damage is coming from your burst with exsang and vendetta
spice surge
As does most traits
proven ice
sweet flame
the casts that matter get the bonus, the rest of the fight is just coasting until vanish is up
proven ice
winter gale
In Uldir...should I rather wear 2 Uldir azerite armor or 2 bis ones with SS? With 2 uldir armors I would have just 1SS triat. Pls help
inner tree
was talking about those small adds not the big one ofc
sweet flame
sim it, but I doubt 2x uldir pieces is better
still hare
You should go for 1 piece in uldir
sweet flame
my 340 SS pieces are better than 370 uldir pieces
still hare
just for reorigination buff
winter gale
As I assumed I should. Tell me just this also.. Is matrix better than titan traits?
lone forge
does eleborate planning buff the dot on garrote?
winter gale
One Uldir is Matrix, other one is Titan something
austere mesa
elaborate > only finishers
strong needle
Wish they could fix the Emmissary reward so I get a dagger instead of an axe/sword/fist dammit
sweet flame
I'm 363 with 340 daggers still xd
robust light
any tips to do more damage on the plague amalgam on mythic vectis? doing pretty low damage on it with just bleeds and focusing
distant hinge
daggers dont exist
still hare
Im 360 with a 325 shoulders
distant hinge
every emmissary is a damn fist weapon or mace for me
still hare
cause I couldnt find one 340 with ss yet
lone forge
how are u 363 already? fk i should really pay more attention to my mage...
sweet flame
run m+, receive 370's
still hare
You actually donβt need to raid at all
austere mesa
so should I still get the SS traits ? I thought laser scales per week
still hare
Find a decent M+ team
sweet flame
laser doesn't
still hare
And be happy
sweet flame
only the reorigination buff from having 1 of it
lone forge
ah, id need competent people run keys with if thats the case. uldir isnt dropping shit for me, were running it for the fun of it now
sweet flame
you want SS traits, and you definitely want 3 of them for M+
distant hinge
i literally have ran Tol evryday about 5 times for past week or so
cold zodiac
So is SS really that good in PvP?
austere mesa
I think I deleted one SS trait somewhere
spice surge
SS isnt very good in pvp no
Its decent, but scent of blood is better unless you kill people in your opener
proven ice
Having 1 for the CP generation is pretty good, but it's not great
austere mesa
losing a 370 tho, that's alot of flat agi I'm missing
sweet flame
doubt it's better
austere mesa
I'll look if I get a 355 at least to be replaced but I agree, the SS is insane
sweet flame
340 SS is better than 370 of another trait
most of the time
especially if it's achive of the titans
the raid shoulders are really quite shit
tacit dune
What are the traits for the arathi world boss pieces? Can't see them on hero damage or bloodmallet
hexed jasper
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
sweet flame
there's no laser matrix shoulders are there?
hushed turtle
Scratch that. Helm
hushed turtle
I have 370 SS shoulders
unborn barn
the helm from the bone dino is good
tacit dune
I meant the arathi one sorry. The Dino one is SS ye
thick jacinth
so much misinformation being spread this morning yikes
unborn barn
What information are you refering to?
thick jacinth
EP effects everything and you should get as much up time on it as you can.
austere mesa
finishers make 10% increased
thick jacinth
And you want 3 SS traits unless you're actually in the Raid.
unborn barn
I would advice anyone who receives information from a random person on the internet should double check
thick jacinth
the reorigination only works in uldir so if you're doing dungeons it's useless.
proven ice
1 reorigionation array 2 ss is corect.
high siren
is there any kind of cheatsheet with tips to maximize dps on each boss in uldur ?
thick jacinth
play assassination
austere mesa
okay, I can get 1 SS back, but I am replacing 370 armor
high siren
LOL ye k
austere mesa
Laser matrix
sweet flame
play sub on zul tbh
thick jacinth
you want laser matrix helm from the raid
tacit dune
Sub is good on Zul if your guild don't mongo the adds
austere mesa
I have the laser matrix helm
thick jacinth
yeah so use that during the raid
if you're doing m+
switch to a helm with SS trait
still hare
You should consider play outlaw on zul tbh
thick jacinth
I can't I'm at work haha
still hare
Due mobility
austere mesa
I can't explain the 3k dps diff on fetid
austere mesa
sure
thick jacinth
warcraft logs blocked at work
thick jacinth
your garrote damage should be your highest dmg source
so you're definitely doing something wrong
austere mesa
but garrote has 94.4% uptime
still hare
How mant ss ?
thick jacinth
it's not about uptime
austere mesa
and that's 55k
still hare
Many*
thick jacinth
it's about clipping subterfuge by accident
spice surge
You have no SS traits so garrote dmg is gonna be low
thick jacinth
opener should be garrote rupture garrote and you don't reapply garrote till it drops off because it's buffed by subterfuge
still hare
He has no ss traits
void pecan
he's running tb too not exang
undone sandal
Doom's wake any good?
spice surge
You dont stand in your galecaller, you missed out on more than half of the uptime
Random opener
thick jacinth
yeah if you don't have SS traits assassination is BARELY worth playing over sub
void pecan
Unless you know, you suck at sub
hushed turtle
Sins is only good because SS is busted op
spice surge
Its not
austere mesa
also I was doing the SS opener, it seems a bit fucked I know
still hare
You did a decent dps all things considered
austere mesa
cause I open with 3points rupture
autumn bloom
I mean you keep uptime on dots and that's most of the spec right there
austere mesa
then vanish vendetta on first envenom then reapply garrote for sub and pandemic
I try to clip everything in elaborate but I don't get enough CP
thick jacinth
the first thing you cast after vanish is garrote
austere mesa
and I sometime miss it
still hare
Doesnβt matter to be honest
still hare
You might as well use ns over subterfuge
hot flume
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
thick jacinth
garrote garrote envenom if you dont need to refresh rupture
thick jacinth
you just always pandemic your subterfuged garrote
thick jacinth
subterfuge doesnt effect rupture
void pecan
^
austere mesa
oh okay
hazy iron
Eyes
warm cove
guys i got something very weird in my log
austere mesa
yeah I was mistaking NS with subterfuge
thick jacinth
the only time you'd want to refresh rupture in that scenario
is if you're ready to exsang
warm cove
rtb outlaw buffs shows up on my mother hc kill as assassination
spice surge
Dice
warm cove
i dont have dice
warm cove
void pecan
I see no rtb
still hare
I mean since you have 0 ss traits all you need to so is keep the bleeds uptime
thick jacinth
HAHA
warm cove
was looking at it like
proven ice
thick jacinth
still thicc
warm cove
https://gyazo.com/d28aed003cb1ca0a75704b0ab48ee836 now it looks better...
austere mesa
aight so last question, is 1SS trait worth swapping for the 370 raid armor in raid ?
thick jacinth
but it's pretty easy to get the pieces you need
just do mythic0
and the conquest cap this week
austere mesa
I've been doing m0 ever since launch
thick jacinth
will give you a SS chest
spice surge
This week especially, 1 extra drop from last boss
austere mesa
only got chest
spice surge
Do it with people who can trade you
warm cove
btw, a question, what is considered to be "good" uptime on mother?
still hare
Well me too I still didnt find a ss shoulder π
thick jacinth
100% lol
spice surge
π€· Depends on what group youre in, cant get 100% if your in the first group
proven ice
Do we seriously just throw out toxic blade at 5cp?
thick jacinth
if your guilds sending you through to deal with ads your RL is drunk.
spice surge
Why an assa would be in the first group idk
warm cove
nah, i managed a 87% or 95% based on ilvl log with like 80 something uptime on garrote and isch 90 on rupture
thought it was weird considering the low uptime
thick jacinth
I think the boss will be removed from allstars soon tbh
spice surge
I like the strats #1 used in HC
Pop all defensives and gate through both rooms directly into third room
thick jacinth
pretty sure they used a bug
void pecan
Didn't they fix that?
austere mesa
we put the 2DH in first group and made them darkness before, helped us stabilize insanely easily
first 2 groups*
also it's what I thought
I sim more with 370 chest
mystic urchin
Quick question: Is energy regen as assasination crazy effed up or why is that that Im always struggling for energy
austere mesa
3.2% loss
austere mesa
I have 20% out of combat, and it still feels bad lmao
there's always pooling periods in assa
unless you are on 3target
mystic urchin
yeah but i feel like in those pooling periods I could've done more as outlaw
brave gyro
It's early in the expansion tbh. Late legion assa was crazy, so dont compare it too hard to what it is now
austere mesa
I have 36% in galecaller's
mystic urchin
Im not comparing it hard to legion, Im more comparing it to the currentt assasination rogues that go crazy with 13k+ dps
warm cove
how much mastery go you guys have?
im kind of in a weird spot
where mastery is low according to stat weights, but a 355 haste vers enchanted with whatever ring sims lower than my equipped 345 haste mastery ring
austere mesa
I'm still simming 400 more dps with 370 chest
fast geyser
Got a socketed frenetic corpuscle out of my cache and it sims lower than my 345 galecallers
Feelsbadman
warm cove
galecallers is bis by far for exang
fast geyser
Iβm tb and itβs still simming lower lol
warm cove
these are my weights https://gyazo.com/663fe9bd0efad867a2f2311d116f64d2
but it still looks like that
signal stream
i got a lustrous golden plumage and dooms wake and they sim as my highest trinkets
trying to think of ways to use them both effectively as on use trinkets
warm cove
macro them and spam
open elbow
Hey guys, do you have any good nameplates presets to share ?
for any addons, included elvui
full mural
anyone have a good trinket > exsanguinate macro?
nm
#showtooltip Exsanguinate
/use Galecaller's Boon
/cast Exsanguinate
worked
vapid flint
What dungeon does first mates spy glass drop out of cant seem to find it
vapid flint
Ah thanks
torpid sluice
Dead-eye drops in SoB though
willow oracle
I was reading on the Ravenholdt raid guide. Is it true that Cloak drops Lingering Infection stacks?
neon chasm
do you think its worth using a 325 shoulder for SS over a 340 without?
civic palm
Why would it be in the guide, if it were a lie?
willow oracle
I appreciate that, but nothing I've seen so far will get rid of it, even death. For some reason, I hadn't tried Cloak, and it seems very powerful to be able to drop them so easily considering that's what the whole fight is about.
visual mist
willow oracle
Also, it looks like the guide has some unanswered questions, and I wanted to ensure I was reading it correctly.
civic palm
I know the rest of the stuff listed for that boss works, but I do not know about it removing Lingering.
willow oracle
Thank you, @civic palm . That's exciting to hear. I'll have to check it out tonight.
north leaf
Lingering infection is the overlaying mechanic on Vectis correct? If so Cloak does not get rid of it.
undone sandal
CT > PB in raids?
civic palm
Correct, Lingering Infestion is the bit that increases the DMG you take from the abilities in the encounter.
undone sandal
I sim litterally 100 dps less with CT than PB, but most fights in uldir have times where you would prefer CT for a few seconds. Or am I stupid?
undone sandal
Patchwerk 5m
nimble hazel
poison bomb is trash, the only reason we take it is because the other skills aren't worth it in st
civic palm
Which is Single Target and using Crimson Tempest in Single Target does less damage than other Finishers.
So CT will SIM worse than PBOMB naturally.
undone sandal
I hope that CT isn't used at all in the rotation, but most fights in uldir have som adds. So then CT would in the end be a dps increase?
undone sandal
Why?
thick jacinth
because it's just better
civic palm
Other than like, Zul if you don't play SUB there.
thick jacinth
even on zul
it's not your job to deal with multiple ads
other dps can pick up the slack
undone sandal
but it sims like 100 dps more than CT, and some AoE is just handy to have?
thick jacinth
poisonbomb is aoe aswell
undone sandal
But it's RNG, and you cannot utilize it the same way.
civic palm
If you're progressing Mythic, and need specifically focused damage, then sure.
If you're progressing Heroic, and need specifically focused damage because your composition is bad at it, compromise.
undone sandal
If PB is an actual 100 dps increase from having no talent at all. Why not just pick the one that gives you the flexibility to do some aoe aswell? I might just be stupid though.
thick jacinth
look at literally every mythic and heroic log if you must dude
it speaks for itself lol
we're telling you it's better and you're arguing otherwise play how you want to play at the end of the day
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
undone sandal
Lol, I'm not arguing, I'm simply wondering.
north leaf
IMO, PB works better because there isn't a direct energy cost associated with its damage. Where as with CT you're spending CP and energy to get the damage off. Sure you can argue that the finisher you use to proc PB fills that spot, but then you've just saved yourself a GCD and another DoT to have to worry about keeping up.
storm epoch
which traits do you guys use in pvp?
elder trench
undone sandal
Yeah, makes sense.
still hare
Pb donβt use a gcd tho
still hare
Procs very often
lofty sand
or not proc enough
normal surge
lofty sand
on fortified weeks where your group depends on you to have reliable damage to take out hard pulls, CT is just safer
spice surge
Well why not never get unlucky
sure, you lose 2% ST dps, but gaining 10% aoe
Is pretty worth it
lofty sand
its up to you in the end, if you like rng go for it. If your group doesn't mind you using the RNG invisible pull that tanks can't see
spice surge
Musclebrah joined the discussion yesterday and said he wouldnt consider PB for dungeons as CT is that much better
lofty sand
plus you can't move pb, if the tank needs to move the mobs rright as it procs you lose damage
still hare
On uldir pt is better than ct anyhow
lofty sand
well yeah, thats ST scenarios mostly
spice surge
Thats the thing though, CT is just better in dungeons
thick jacinth
tyrannical = poison bomb
fortified = ct
spice surge
regardless of affix
thick jacinth
not true
still hare
Nops
void pecan
Tell that to the two best m+ rogues.
still hare
Tyrannical pb is better
void pecan
I trust their opinions
thick jacinth
if you think CT is just outright better in dungeons you're running with shitty dps or you're not doing high enough keys on tyrannical
spice surge
^
void pecan
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
storm epoch
PB or CT isnt gonna make or break your dps, just use what you're comfortable with IMO
I personally go PB in raids CT in mythic+
strange python
i like ct on zul, same otherwise
thick jacinth
if you're pulling only 3 mobs at a time in m+ ct isn't the pick either
literally depends on so many things
spice surge
Idk id prefer to lose 300 dps ST and gain 1k+ in AoE, but thats just me
lofty sand
Tyranical you might want to get yourself the max amount of ST damage you can even if its pityful 2.5% that PB does
still hare
If you are running sin on zul, you are not really worried about make the most of the class imo
bleak storm
thick jacinth
strongest azerite trait
lofty sand
you can just read the traits
thick jacinth
yes
strange python
pins
storm epoch
what trait do you run in pvp?
sullen robin
@still hare sin isnt bad on zul lmao, sub is just outrageously overpowered for it
lofty sand
but I'm gonna take a wild guess here and say SS
since its outright broken right now
jovial kite
@sullen robin you wouldnt run sin on mythic progress though
sullen robin
There is no point to cheese because at the point most people get to it you'll be overheated
Overgeared
jovial kite
lofty sand
depends on the group, Bisjack, method had some sins, including Frag. Slootbag's group stacked 6 sub rogues for Zul
civic palm
Method had 1 SIN on Zul, maybe.
jovial kite
sullen robin
Are you on zul progress?
civic palm
out of FIVE Rogues.
jovial kite
i mean it is very soon
civic palm
whu...
jovial kite
and gear doesnt change the fact that its super value
sullen robin
And your argument doesnt have substance because your not there either
Cheesing the boss isnt important unless your pushing at this moment for world 1st
jovial kite
theres a logical fallacy there
and thats just ridiculous
doing things easier doesnt mean you need to run for world first
lofty sand
I sometimes wonder if all guilds have the means to just take 6 decked out sub rogues out of their sleeve like that for prog
civic palm
SUB is simply very good there.
jovial kite
350 sub is better in that fight than 370 sin
sullen robin
Sin still performs fine enough to kill the boss
sullen robin
jovial kite
stacking 5 sins wont get the boss to 70% after lust though
lofty sand
Rogue as a class is in a pretty good place now, though I dunno how outlul is doing on the charts now that they nerfed deadshot
royal lantern
probably not that good for st situations but good for fights that need heavy cleave
delicate gull
damn got a 365 galecaller, 15k sim club feels good
still hare
Its not about the cleave itself if it was the would be stacking arm warriors, its the target priority
undone sandal
Do you guys use the Exsanguinate or Toxic Blade?
undone sandal
I know what is best for me, wondering about you guys.
still hare
Go TB all the way bro, its braindead to use
undone sandal
I was always under the impression that you would go Toxic Blade with PB, but that ain't the case for me. Exang is also a 3% dmg increase for me.
lofty sand
Exang will demand you to time your burst windows
while tb is press on cd
I think thats the biggest point to think about when chosing that
unless ofc one is very far ahead of the other
then you have no other choice but to learn to play with it
undone sandal
They are pretty close, 150 dps.
lofty sand
then it depends on you, do you wanna have more shit to worry about? Go Exang, do you want to have an easier time so you can focus on other shit? Go tb
undone sandal
True, thanks.
manic coral
It's like a feral druid but better 100 fold
lofty sand
yeah a lot of people enjoy the playstyle, thats cool too
civic palm
Considering the complaints around the amount of actions taken per minute, people seem to not like the playstyle.
lofty sand
personally while I find exang enjoyable to watch roll, I prefer tb, just safer.
manic coral
Much rather prefer waiting on energy than playing ret for example and just waiting on an ability to come off cooldown
lone junco
I enjoy exang in m+. Easy rip. The desync is pretty shitty post 220
late vessel
I've heard a lot about this new exsan with 3 shrouded suffocation build from rogues in my guild. Does it beat out the standard build?
lofty sand
SS is the standard
its so far ahead from everything else that there is no reason to go for other traits
late vessel
Shrouded is, but is exsanguinate with it?
lofty sand
oh, we just talked about it
late vessel
over toxic blade
lofty sand
it sims differently for people
late vessel
Sorry just jumped into the conversation.
lofty sand
some get better numbers with exang, some with tb
late vessel
Interesting. Does it scale better with mastery then?
fresh abyss
hmm
so i've just found 2 double dose and a shrouded concealment in my bags on pieces that are like 330-340
but raidbots is telling me my ~15 ilvl gear with awful traits is better
is that probably true?
~15 ilvl higher*
lofty sand
flattering that you assume that we're smarter than robots
visual token
I was just thinking that lol
fresh abyss
hehe
what it really is is my doubting my ability to use the site
still confusing the f out of me
tbf
i'm gearing for pvp
and so shrouded concealment wouldn't probs sim as high
since it has an additional usage for pvp
lofty sand
I am completely clueless about pvp
chrome cave
3x double dose is pretty good in pvp
worked well till 1811 at least, no exp after that
fresh abyss
@chrome cave if i show you the gear pieces i'm talking about would you quickly be able to say which ones?
chrome cave
which ones what?
fresh abyss
those were the pieces/traits i was comparing
not sure if you can see that properly
chrome cave
what's your haste?
dunno what to tell you, you shouldn't rely on simming for pvp that much anyway
pvp isn't training dummy dps
you either go sustain or burst
shrouded suffocation forces you to use vanish when going for burst in pvp which is garbage
sure you might have a great burst but any half-brain healer can heal through that
so I personally recommend double dose for 2s and scent of blood for 3s
autumn bloom
You can get restealths in arena
Against most teams
And I'd hope you'd have the healer in cc before you try to burst on someone
fresh abyss
my haste is at 16.07%
@chrome cave
@autumn bloom would you mind taking a look at my report?
idk if i should use the traits you guys are mentioning
or stick with the higher ilvl
(for pvp)
visual token
For PvP I like higher ilvl because of the stamina. But Iβm terribad at PvP so that doesnβt mean much.
autumn bloom
Uhh I'd probably run the one SS trait if you don't have any
Since it's a nice QOL change
chrome cave
I wouldn't since it's bugged
lofty sand
would you even worry about the bug on pvp? How many opportunities do you have to Garrote 4 targets in a row?
chrome cave
can get dispelled though
autumn bloom
...by what
chrome cave
certain immunities
safe matrix
dorf racial
autumn bloom
Oh shit forgot about dwarfs better not run this trait in pvp
spice surge
Dwarf/Bop/Surv-bandages
lone junco
Yeah. 4p 20 in parepatch was silly strong. Just needed to wait for the Iceblock. Or bubble.
jovial kite
its pretty nice if you have time to restealth
lone junco
Esp if you can just dip around a pillar
autumn bloom
If you have a good partner and time your pillar humps you can get a lot of restealths
lofty sand
if you're just gearing your sin, I'd say be one step ahead and already gear with no SS, already considering the inevitable nerf that will happen soon π
jovial kite
im already 1 matrix 2 ss
chrome cave
same
jovial kite
ill probably keep 2 though
especiall that i know ill luck the chest from m fetid soon tm
autumn bloom
I wish scent was a fatter buff with a cap
Or maybe like
Only active with at least x amount of ruptures but then is a fat buff for 20 seconds
lone junco
Scent could stack over time. Then reset.
lofty sand
I was only half joking, I do believe the nerf is coming but I think at least one SS will be good to have anyways. The extra cp and the damage will be nice to have even if they nerf stacked a bit
lone junco
So it was useful in st.
chrome cave
I wish they would just buff the dogshit traits
autumn bloom
Yeah if it was on ruptures cast would be cool
lusty narwhal
Funny how all 3 rogue specs had totally busted overtuned traits
lone junco
I'm sad for enhance. Their storrmstrike trait is like 3% gain with 3x
chrome cave
feelsbadman
lofty sand
A lot of specs have busted traits, like WW monk
lone junco
Lava lash is like 4% for 3x.
jovial kite
fuck shaman -blizz probably
lofty sand
Resto shaman also has one very strong trait
chrome cave
I find it really shitty for a class's best trait not be one class specific
lone junco
We have a guy that will ride or die for enhance. So id like them to not be dog shit.
chrome cave
3x thunderous blast yaaay woohoo so cool
lofty sand
I mean, laser matrix is good for most dps right?
lusty narwhal
Yeah
jovial kite
its not class specific
lusty narwhal
Pretty strong
strange python
Off the top of your heads, does anyone know if cloaking the AOE debuff on Mythrax will set it off and do damage to the raid anyway?
jovial kite
yes
chrome cave
yes
strange python
TY!
lusty narwhal
Toxic
strange python
lol
lone junco
@jovial kite did you get a berserkers juju yet from wq?
jovial kite
doesnt change the course of the fight in any way, and i dont need to move + i make more dps
no
lone junco
Puts me at 75% with lust.
For the exang.
I played with sim to see how I could align it with GC. It was a small loss to fathoms. But I think I could do better sync.
lofty sand
tfw you GC and the boss moves π
chrome cave
every god damn time
jovial kite
just use exsang asap after dropping gc
it snapshots the haste to the exsang
so you still get the full benefit even if you have to move
lofty sand
I will eventually if it becomes a lot better than TB, to the point I can't trade the dps loss for comfort
sharp star
Does anyone know if raidbots takes into acvount reorigination array
jovial kite
no iirc
civic palm
Run a SIM and check the HTML output for the buff, I do not think so though,
jovial kite
the walmart way for knowing how much the buff is worth is doing stat sims and calculating how much youd get
or you can add the hastevalue separately to the sim
static wind
viscid pawn
does it matter if i have quick navigation on the main or off hand?
blissful hull
Where can I farm a SS az chest? I know freehold and uldir fetid has one. Anywhere else I can target?
steel geyser
You can't loot Azerite stuff in mm+ except fr weekly chest
blissful hull
Thanks... doesnt really answer the question though. Is there a source that has a SS chest piece I haven't mentioned?
coral nexus
Philipp asks a valid question!
autumn bloom
It doesnt matter
blissful hull
@void pecan thanks Gana
void pecan
np
chrome cave
there were some speculation that it has slightly higher proc chance on main hand
just a rumor doe
quasi ledge
@blissful hull The weekly PvP reward gives a 355 chest with the Garrote trait, ignore the tooltip because you can choose between 2 different ones
west frost
proud copper
Feels bad when you get a titanforged normal Ghuun trinket and its shit
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
Anyone know how good a Bygone Bee Almanac is ffor us? Its not on bloodmallet
quasi ledge
Seeing as it's a strength trinket, probs not amazing
daring imp
^
oblique vector
so do I want 3x SS for ST or do I want to mix and match?
cedar elk
a little newer to ass since i mostly play outlaw, for elobatore planning, when do you usually dump your cp to fit in another, 60-70% energy?
lone junco
The fake shirt sim seems ok.
daring imp
@cedar elk i always use energy asap
unless 1 mutilate gives 4cp
which is quite rare now
then i wait last seconds of ep to pop another env/rup
fresh abyss
ep?
quasi ledge
@cedar elk Focus maximising Envenom up time because you'll never get 100% on EP. Pool energy until you either are about to cap or Envenom is going to drop
fresh abyss
@daring imp
cedar elk
ok, cause i never have enough energy to get 2 in ep right now.. and i was reading to not dump until you can fit 2 inside the buff window
quasi ledge
EP is just a bonus essentially
robust light
Is pooling combo's to maintain envenom uptime actually a thing and worth?
fresh abyss
what is ep?
fresh abyss
the talent in the first row?
proud cargo
is it worth it to double stack haste enchants on both daggers? i sim 100 dps higher when i have it on both
proud cargo
ahh ok ty
robust light
one haste one crit
proud cargo
yeah thats what i just switched to
autumn bloom
They stack, just diminished returns
robust light
yeah thats what i meant ^ forgot the name
autumn bloom
So thats why you pick your 2 best
proud cargo
does raidbots not take into account the dimishing returns?
waxen arch
guys, I should enchant my mainhand with haste and offhand with crit right? https://gyazo.com/fbf360bb2ad5d8bed2e741f4c915532b
robust light
yes
daring imp
@fresh abyss yea talent on 1st row
waxen arch
ty!
earnest cloud
Tips for AOE?
lofty juniper
So do I let the exsanguinated rupture fall off completely before I vanish ? Thereβs like a 6s window where garrote falls off and rupture is still ticking on your opener
frigid sleet
you're not forced to refresh rupture during vanish
waxen arch
@earnest cloud I'm not an expert but if u have the SS traits, What I do is garrote 3 targets and rupture, FOK spam /evenom and i'm always around 15-30k on packs
autumn bloom
Yeah vanish doesn't interact with rupture at all
With subterfuge
You wanna let your exsangs tick all the way out
lofty juniper
I heard with exsang u want to vanish rupture garrote x2 no ?
dense yarrow
frigid sleet
during the opener yes, that doesnt mean you always want to do it
autumn bloom
You just want your garrote to be empowered and pandemiced
earnest cloud
@waxen arch Ok i'll try that, haven't been garotting that many targets
autumn bloom
The rupture just needs to be fresh
terse pawn
ilevel 371 jesus christ
void pecan
Yeah..
terse pawn
do you guys pandemic normal garrote for exsang?
feels like it doesn't add all that much
frigid sleet
it add a bit more than 4 sec
quasi ledge
@earnest cloud Garrote 3 targets, then Rupture 2-3 then spam Envenoms using FoK as builder. Don't use a 4th Garrote after Subterfuge has ended as that wipes your empowered Garrotes
proud cargo
exsanguinate only sims higher when you have more haste right?
steep obsidian
umm you can sim it yourself to find out?
but yeah the value of haste goes up a fair bit with xsang from what ive seen
indigo verge
could anyone here help me out with my logs, im trying to work out why my ilvl parse is so low
craggy raptor