#assassination | Ravenholdt | Page 3013

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 2:31 PM

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Fire and forget

steep obsidian Sep 16, 2018, 2:31 PM

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Haste

2.17

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yeah

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 2:31 PM

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Ussshhhhh

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What's your haste at

steep obsidian Sep 16, 2018, 2:31 PM

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1074

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 2:32 PM

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%

ionic charm Sep 16, 2018, 2:33 PM

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Ex isn’t harder to use than TB just more punishing when you make mistakes, so it seems daunting to a lot of people

shy mica Sep 16, 2018, 2:34 PM

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Critical Strike

1.64

Mastery

1.64

Haste

1.64

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Wtf

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These stat weight

ionic charm Sep 16, 2018, 2:35 PM

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What are you at like 20% haste?

shy mica Sep 16, 2018, 2:35 PM

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16

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17% crit <_<

ionic charm Sep 16, 2018, 2:35 PM

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Weird I’m at 17 and it still shows haste at like 1.8 above the others

median marsh Sep 16, 2018, 2:35 PM

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how do you guys sim for M+? playing exsang

radiant atlas Sep 16, 2018, 2:35 PM

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Is CT strictly better than PB?

median marsh Sep 16, 2018, 2:35 PM

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add cleave or multiple bosses?

shy mica Sep 16, 2018, 2:35 PM

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Just sim st tbh

radiant atlas Sep 16, 2018, 2:35 PM

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add cleave

shy mica Sep 16, 2018, 2:35 PM

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its where rogue shines

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 2:36 PM

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Still take crit

shy mica Sep 16, 2018, 2:36 PM

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m+ has too many variables to reliably sim imo

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atm atleast

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 2:36 PM

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AoE

turbid stratus Sep 16, 2018, 2:36 PM

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i have 13% haste 14% crit 30% mastery is that bad ?

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 2:36 PM

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Obv haste is king

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It's pretty bad

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It'll feel better at 15%+ haste

ionic charm Sep 16, 2018, 2:37 PM

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Just reroll troll for the berserking snapshot

steep obsidian Sep 16, 2018, 2:38 PM

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15% haste

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well +15%

ionic charm Sep 16, 2018, 2:38 PM

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Troll being shit through most of legion for sub/sin has finally paid off with how good it is now

steep obsidian Sep 16, 2018, 2:39 PM

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well

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having an offensive purge is useful as hell for m+

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and zul

royal lantern Sep 16, 2018, 2:39 PM

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troll was the best race for so many classes lol

ionic charm Sep 16, 2018, 2:39 PM

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Lol I know but not for rogues it wasn’t

steep obsidian Sep 16, 2018, 2:39 PM

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i was troll all through tot up until antorus

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in tot now THAT was overpowered

royal lantern Sep 16, 2018, 2:39 PM

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troll/belf is the reason why all world first guilds are horde

ionic charm Sep 16, 2018, 2:40 PM

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And it’s only a 1% gain over the next best race unlike arcane mage where it’s like 3%

lone junco Sep 16, 2018, 2:40 PM

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@shy mica Any cleave condition 6t 40s patchwerk etc. is mastery > agi and high crit. Haste is garbage.

But since we don't have gear sets. We have to balance st haste in.

steep obsidian Sep 16, 2018, 2:40 PM

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go look at kill vids from raid guilds from tot 70% of raid+ troll

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 2:40 PM

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I got a new pair of pants. One 340 ilvl with 136haste, 64 crit and 85 leech, already have 350 with 92 haste and 118 crit. Whick would you choose? Pawn says 350 is 7% better.

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playin sin

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sim yourself.

shy mica Sep 16, 2018, 2:40 PM

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@lone junco So what are u running then?

lone junco Sep 16, 2018, 2:41 PM

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In the end. Crit is not a bad thing.

shy mica Sep 16, 2018, 2:41 PM

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Yeah I'm thinking of going crit enchants

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over haste

lone junco Sep 16, 2018, 2:41 PM

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Me personally. My group doesn't pull 10x elites.

ionic charm Sep 16, 2018, 2:41 PM

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Well you could just have different rings for m+ that don’t have haste anyways

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 2:41 PM

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isnt vers/mast > crit for bleeds/poisons?

lone junco Sep 16, 2018, 2:41 PM

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I like the 3t and single prio heavy haste. If you are in FOK spam for long you will wish you had crit.

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 2:42 PM

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Inb4 Kul Tirans end up OP as all hell

lone junco Sep 16, 2018, 2:42 PM

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I'm not there for bulk cleave.

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What's that?

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 2:42 PM

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Kul Tiran Humans?

royal lantern Sep 16, 2018, 2:42 PM

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when alliance gets good racials, will not change shit

shy mica Sep 16, 2018, 2:42 PM

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Does haste lose a lot of value on 3t?

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 2:42 PM

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Alliance equivalent to Zandalari trolls

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The fat lads

lone junco Sep 16, 2018, 2:43 PM

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You can test is. 3t patchwerk 40s or 20s. No buffs.

limber wind Sep 16, 2018, 2:43 PM

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What level 100 talents do people use on m+?

royal lantern Sep 16, 2018, 2:43 PM

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blizz reacted too late, all world first guilds are horde now and they will not change into allaince unless there is a racial that is so fking ridicolous op that belf/troll racial is a joke against it

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 2:43 PM

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The Hotted sub-race 😂

ionic charm Sep 16, 2018, 2:43 PM

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@royal lantern its all making up for vanilla Kappa

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 2:43 PM

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I wonder if we'll get the Asmongold model too

lone junco Sep 16, 2018, 2:43 PM

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There is some feely in it because the apl won't ggg. But it uses vendetta vanish. each pull.

royal lantern Sep 16, 2018, 2:44 PM

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yeha, cus of the world first nefarian kill its ok that horde players dont really need too play against a major mechanic on zul lul

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´´lets remove the aoe silence from belf and make it a purge, all major dungeon/raid mechanics need a purge now´´

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 2:44 PM

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Lol

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Blizz logic

ionic charm Sep 16, 2018, 2:44 PM

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I guess you forgot about KJ and goblins already?

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Or is that next on the flame train

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 2:44 PM

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LOL

royal lantern Sep 16, 2018, 2:45 PM

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im not here too complain about racial balance,its fuckd and they cant change it anymore, so drop the discussion

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talk about sin:P

ionic charm Sep 16, 2018, 2:45 PM

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That it is

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 2:45 PM

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Yeah no way to turn it back now

fallen sandal Sep 16, 2018, 2:45 PM

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hi, does anyone has a good wa for poison bomb ?

limber wind Sep 16, 2018, 2:45 PM

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Poison bomb does 3% damage overall in m+

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do u guys use something else?

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 2:46 PM

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Ct

placid elbow Sep 16, 2018, 2:46 PM

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Ct for mythic+

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 2:46 PM

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Depends on the dungeon though

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I like PB in KR

fallen sandal Sep 16, 2018, 2:46 PM

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in high key like KR 10 i wouldnt use anything else

ionic charm Sep 16, 2018, 2:46 PM

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I hate that there’s no better st option than PB

fallen sandal Sep 16, 2018, 2:46 PM

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CT is shit for tyranical

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 2:46 PM

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True

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It's good in ML though

lone junco Sep 16, 2018, 2:47 PM

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So is pb. Watch last kr boss run all over the place.

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Totem boss pulling around whirlwinds.

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 2:47 PM

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Yeah yeah we get it

ionic charm Sep 16, 2018, 2:47 PM

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Ct is good for siege unless you don’t have enough st for last boss

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 2:47 PM

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You're a Ct sycophant Noobe

lone junco Sep 16, 2018, 2:48 PM

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I just know that pb in best cases is small.

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 2:48 PM

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That CP used on CT could be a rupture

lone junco Sep 16, 2018, 2:48 PM

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It used to be 35%. Dmg.

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 2:48 PM

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Pb's damage is Pb% + rupture lost to Ct

spring prawn Sep 16, 2018, 2:48 PM

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26 hours update: 2 galecallers dropped, i didnt get it still.

nocturne gate Sep 16, 2018, 2:49 PM

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is it worth to use the uldir trait on my 970 chest (simspam just for showin my gear) https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ihVaJhmAwAYbRCu5kF4cSQ

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strange python Sep 16, 2018, 2:49 PM

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Inspired name lul

terse hinge Sep 16, 2018, 2:49 PM

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@spring prawn I feel your pain. 370 ss shoulders from freehold dropped and the other person couldn't trade it

sly bloom Sep 16, 2018, 2:50 PM

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Tank dropped a 370 GC yesterday, best trinket he had was 365... hang in there @spring prawn

terse hinge Sep 16, 2018, 2:50 PM

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BIKSWEE LMFAO

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Same tho

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 2:50 PM

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How did 370 SS drop

terse hinge Sep 16, 2018, 2:50 PM

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Titanforging

spring prawn Sep 16, 2018, 2:50 PM

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they cant even drop u liar lol

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 2:50 PM

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Ah

terse hinge Sep 16, 2018, 2:50 PM

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You'd be surprised

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 2:50 PM

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Depressing

high holly Sep 16, 2018, 2:50 PM

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can't wrap my head around sin m+ playstyle, i'm still doing more deeps on law in overall dps

spring prawn Sep 16, 2018, 2:50 PM

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Azerite gear cant forge.

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 2:50 PM

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Spread garrote Mac

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Max

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Look at the guide

sly bloom Sep 16, 2018, 2:51 PM

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Only way you'd get 370 dungeon azerite is weekly chest

lone junco Sep 16, 2018, 2:51 PM

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Tbh Wouldn't mind seeing 6t 20sec. Ggg Ct. vs ggg r. Pb. Fully stacked with GC.

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But the apl is dumb.

delicate crater Sep 16, 2018, 2:52 PM

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Trying to gear my Sin and my SV Hunter............Yesterday I got Construct Overcharger trinket on both back to back from the Weekly Emmissary of War quests......THEN I got another one from Taloc 1hr later..

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3 within 3 hours.....same damn trinket

echo night Sep 16, 2018, 2:52 PM

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!WA

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lone junco Sep 16, 2018, 2:52 PM

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@high holly if your sin dps is low you are probably bugging SS. Or you don't have it.

high holly Sep 16, 2018, 2:53 PM

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i've got 2 ss

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1 double dose

lone junco Sep 16, 2018, 2:53 PM

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22-25k. Every pack.

high holly Sep 16, 2018, 2:53 PM

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wtfffff

ionic charm Sep 16, 2018, 2:53 PM

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!ss

prisma monolithBOT Sep 16, 2018, 2:53 PM

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Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 2:53 PM

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How do you open on packs

high holly Sep 16, 2018, 2:53 PM

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garrote on all targets

lone junco Sep 16, 2018, 2:53 PM

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I'm 347.

spring prawn Sep 16, 2018, 2:53 PM

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GGG CT

ionic charm Sep 16, 2018, 2:53 PM

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Read the bug

lone junco Sep 16, 2018, 2:53 PM

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Yeah. Don't do that.

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 2:53 PM

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How many garrotes

high holly Sep 16, 2018, 2:53 PM

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garrote - tab - garrote - tav

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4

ionic charm Sep 16, 2018, 2:53 PM

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!ss

prisma monolithBOT Sep 16, 2018, 2:53 PM

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Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

high holly Sep 16, 2018, 2:53 PM

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on 4 different targets

spring prawn Sep 16, 2018, 2:53 PM

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im 367, easily 30k dps on 2 targets.

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 2:53 PM

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Eek

formal sable Sep 16, 2018, 2:53 PM

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19.2k dps damn

lone junco Sep 16, 2018, 2:53 PM

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Read the SS bug.

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Don't do the 4th.

high holly Sep 16, 2018, 2:54 PM

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ooof

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 2:54 PM

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It's not Patchwerk 5 min @formal sable

high holly Sep 16, 2018, 2:54 PM

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alright so only open w garrote on 3

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then wait how long until next garrote?

ionic charm Sep 16, 2018, 2:54 PM

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When they drop off

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 2:54 PM

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Or vanish and go with 6 garrotes

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Never add unempowered garrote when you still have empowered garrotes up

lone junco Sep 16, 2018, 2:54 PM

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Ggg. Then wait 18 seconds.

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Or 23 with a double.

echo night Sep 16, 2018, 2:55 PM

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Question! CT or PB in +10++ keys?

high holly Sep 16, 2018, 2:55 PM

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so a pack without vanish should go garrote 3x then rupture how many targets?

lone junco Sep 16, 2018, 2:55 PM

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Can vanish ggg if you need

echo night Sep 16, 2018, 2:55 PM

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Which gives the most bang for mah bucks

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 2:55 PM

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Or Exsang the 23 sec one

lone junco Sep 16, 2018, 2:55 PM

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Rupture elites.

high holly Sep 16, 2018, 2:55 PM

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rupture all elites?

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 2:55 PM

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Yes

high holly Sep 16, 2018, 2:55 PM

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5 cp

cinder palm Sep 16, 2018, 2:55 PM

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I’ve been running CT, super good on big pulls @echo night

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 2:55 PM

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Unless you have prio target

high holly Sep 16, 2018, 2:55 PM

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won't you cap on energy real quick tho

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 2:55 PM

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That will die very fast

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Skip that one

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Or Exsang it

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So

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Better to have energy than not

echo night Sep 16, 2018, 2:56 PM

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If you have a rupture trait, doing 5+ ruptures gives you INSANE amount of Agi!!

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 2:56 PM

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Just keep bust

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Busy

ionic charm Sep 16, 2018, 2:56 PM

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It’s fine to cap energy in large aoe pulls, with 3 garrotes going and a few ruptures you will be flooded

high holly Sep 16, 2018, 2:56 PM

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and how do you guys sim for m+?

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don't have rupt trait

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only

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Ss

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 2:56 PM

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Don't really

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I have 3 SS

ionic charm Sep 16, 2018, 2:56 PM

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3 ss is the dream

echo night Sep 16, 2018, 2:56 PM

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4 boss 1 min typically for aoe burst

wise socket Sep 16, 2018, 2:56 PM

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Is there any good way to sim for m+?

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 2:57 PM

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Easy 25k+ each add pack

echo night Sep 16, 2018, 2:57 PM

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With light movement or addcleave

high holly Sep 16, 2018, 2:57 PM

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feelsbadman when you picked deadshot > SS then deadshot got nerfed to bits

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 2:57 PM

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Lol

ionic charm Sep 16, 2018, 2:57 PM

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Then reforge it

high holly Sep 16, 2018, 2:57 PM

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what

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how

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where

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 2:57 PM

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HAHAH

echo night Sep 16, 2018, 2:57 PM

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I do 42k on addpacks with PB

ionic charm Sep 16, 2018, 2:57 PM

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By xmog guy

echo night Sep 16, 2018, 2:57 PM

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Bruh

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 2:57 PM

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N o o o o o b 😂

formal sable Sep 16, 2018, 2:57 PM

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transmogrifier in boralus

ionic charm Sep 16, 2018, 2:57 PM

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Like 10g

high holly Sep 16, 2018, 2:57 PM

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holy fuck

echo night Sep 16, 2018, 2:57 PM

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Next to Xmog guy

ionic charm Sep 16, 2018, 2:57 PM

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Lul

echo night Sep 16, 2018, 2:57 PM

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Hahaha

formal sable Sep 16, 2018, 2:57 PM

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^

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XD

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 2:57 PM

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Yeah you can burst like 50K

high holly Sep 16, 2018, 2:57 PM

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ty guys never knew

echo night Sep 16, 2018, 2:57 PM

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Gz on 3x SS

formal sable Sep 16, 2018, 2:58 PM

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damn 3x SS IS the dream

lone junco Sep 16, 2018, 2:58 PM

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How much of the trash burst is pb

echo night Sep 16, 2018, 2:58 PM

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Yup

lone junco Sep 16, 2018, 2:58 PM

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Like 12%?

formal sable Sep 16, 2018, 2:58 PM

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currently transitioning from outlaw to sin

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 2:58 PM

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Lol if that

high holly Sep 16, 2018, 2:58 PM

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same valan

echo night Sep 16, 2018, 2:58 PM

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2x SS 1x rupture is also VERY nice quality of life on fortified

ionic charm Sep 16, 2018, 2:58 PM

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Pb is 0-30 lul

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 2:58 PM

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The value I see in PB is that extra rupture

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And it's cool

ionic charm Sep 16, 2018, 2:58 PM

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Depending on the pull and rng

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 2:58 PM

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BOOM

lone junco Sep 16, 2018, 2:58 PM

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Anyone still playing outlaw for m+. Either stubborn. Tank won't let them stealth. Or the long duration drag cleave.

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 2:59 PM

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Ye

high holly Sep 16, 2018, 2:59 PM

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i'm going 2210021 btw

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 2:59 PM

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Sub or Sin is just better atm

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Blizz went overboard on OL

high holly Sep 16, 2018, 2:59 PM

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is that ideal for m+? can't sim it since it's not only st nor is it only 3+ targets

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 2:59 PM

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1m30s blind tho!

ruby idol Sep 16, 2018, 2:59 PM

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we've done it boys, 15k andy

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https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/afiQC6i15xZYs1wo5Tnx4C

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lone junco Sep 16, 2018, 2:59 PM

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Grats.

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 2:59 PM

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Noise

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Gz

ionic charm Sep 16, 2018, 3:00 PM

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Tb and exsang are both fine for m+

lone junco Sep 16, 2018, 3:00 PM

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I'm still 349 😦

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 3:00 PM

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Seems like 10 ilvl is 1K dps

lone junco Sep 16, 2018, 3:00 PM

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Yeah.

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I saw that

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 3:00 PM

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I'm 358 and sim 14.1K

lone junco Sep 16, 2018, 3:00 PM

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348 13.2

ruby idol Sep 16, 2018, 3:00 PM

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could push higher but i cant be fucked to swap out for haste enchants just for raid

radiant atlas Sep 16, 2018, 3:00 PM

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the GGG opener, that is for multiple mobs and not ST, right?

lone junco Sep 16, 2018, 3:00 PM

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I missed our heroic week for work.

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Correct.

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2t could be. G. Tab. Gg.

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 3:01 PM

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I got only weapon from Heroic

lone junco Sep 16, 2018, 3:01 PM

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3 could be g tab g tab g

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 3:01 PM

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ST is g r g

lone junco Sep 16, 2018, 3:01 PM

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355 /340

radiant atlas Sep 16, 2018, 3:01 PM

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what about single target? Do I want to stick to G R G Vendetta?

lone junco Sep 16, 2018, 3:02 PM

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Read the guide.

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 3:02 PM

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G r g vendetta m r exsang

lone junco Sep 16, 2018, 3:02 PM

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Has st open.

radiant atlas Sep 16, 2018, 3:02 PM

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that's what the guide says

lone junco Sep 16, 2018, 3:02 PM

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It's not intuitive.

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 3:02 PM

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It works

thick musk Sep 16, 2018, 3:02 PM

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is it okay to pandemic an exsang'd bleed

lone junco Sep 16, 2018, 3:02 PM

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Open carries all the way through the vanish gg.

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 3:02 PM

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Rupture is ok

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Empowered garrote should never be overwritten

thick musk Sep 16, 2018, 3:03 PM

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not empowered just exs

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 3:03 PM

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Exsang normal garrote sure

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Cut it close thoufh

lone junco Sep 16, 2018, 3:03 PM

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Jut let the exang run out.

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 3:03 PM

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Like last tick

lone junco Sep 16, 2018, 3:03 PM

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Best practice.

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 3:03 PM

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I clip at last tick

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Energy wasted doe

lone junco Sep 16, 2018, 3:03 PM

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But don't clip the vanish gg exang.

thick musk Sep 16, 2018, 3:03 PM

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does that mean that the exsanged garrote isn't separate inside the pandemic?

fallen sandal Sep 16, 2018, 3:04 PM

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when on exsang, i refresh between 1s - 0s

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 3:04 PM

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Yeah

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Rule of thumb

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If you have ONE

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Just ONE

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Empowered garrote up

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Don't fucking click garrote

high holly Sep 16, 2018, 3:04 PM

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well fuck no wonder i did shit deeps in m+

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i always refreshed them

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 3:04 PM

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Unless you're in subterfuge or stealth

lone junco Sep 16, 2018, 3:04 PM

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Agree. That last tick of vanish exang crits like 25k

thick musk Sep 16, 2018, 3:04 PM

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I know not to refresh the empowered because of the bug

high holly Sep 16, 2018, 3:05 PM

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https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sQyZaE3MjNTRNUtfowE6Qo

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3ss bois

thick musk Sep 16, 2018, 3:05 PM

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mostly just talking about like if I exs a regular garrote, and that dot has like 4 sec left or whatever, should I pandemic with another garrote?

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or let it tick out

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 3:05 PM

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Imagine if you kept SS garrote if you refreshed it before it ran out

lone junco Sep 16, 2018, 3:05 PM

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Let it tick out. For every sec you clip. You drop 1 or 2 ticks. Depending on GC exang.

thick musk Sep 16, 2018, 3:05 PM

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ohhh okay

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so it's about the ticks

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 3:06 PM

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Refresh sub 1 sec left

lone junco Sep 16, 2018, 3:06 PM

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Yeah. The hasted GC exang is 0.6 tick rate ish.

fallen sandal Sep 16, 2018, 3:06 PM

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an advice for you guys

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 3:06 PM

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On Exsang

fallen sandal Sep 16, 2018, 3:06 PM

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farm up arena

thick musk Sep 16, 2018, 3:06 PM

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is there like a weakaura that tracks ticks xd, I think warlock has one for drain life or something

lone junco Sep 16, 2018, 3:06 PM

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The standard tick is 1.8

fallen sandal Sep 16, 2018, 3:06 PM

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you got a nice 355 chest /w SS

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 3:06 PM

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We know hehe

lone junco Sep 16, 2018, 3:06 PM

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Don't worry about it.

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Just don't clip.

thick musk Sep 16, 2018, 3:06 PM

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kk

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 3:06 PM

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I'll still take the BitS one

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Already have a 355 SS

thick musk Sep 16, 2018, 3:07 PM

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but if it's regular garrote, with no exs, not empowered, I can clip it?

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 3:07 PM

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Yes

high holly Sep 16, 2018, 3:07 PM

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exsang or tb?

thick musk Sep 16, 2018, 3:07 PM

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kk

fallen sandal Sep 16, 2018, 3:07 PM

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at -5s

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 3:07 PM

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Within pandemic

thick musk Sep 16, 2018, 3:07 PM

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yeah

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kk thanks

high holly Sep 16, 2018, 3:07 PM

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for m+ exans or tb?

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 3:07 PM

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Exsang in m+ though I'd say

high holly Sep 16, 2018, 3:07 PM

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mate

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can't sim

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for m+

fallen sandal Sep 16, 2018, 3:07 PM

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i run always exsang coz it sims higher for me

twin meadow Sep 16, 2018, 3:07 PM

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yes you can

high holly Sep 16, 2018, 3:08 PM

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how?

twin meadow Sep 16, 2018, 3:08 PM

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hectic add cleave

fallen sandal Sep 16, 2018, 3:08 PM

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but i saw fragnance running Tb tho

twin meadow Sep 16, 2018, 3:08 PM

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1 boss

radiant atlas Sep 16, 2018, 3:08 PM

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Do any of you guys use Mizerok Sin Weak Aura?

dawn root Sep 16, 2018, 3:08 PM

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On the ST opener you use galecaller right before exang so that it snapshots?

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 3:08 PM

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Yeah

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Also hold vendetta for that

fallen sandal Sep 16, 2018, 3:08 PM

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garot rupture garot vendetta Galecaller

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most of the time

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 3:08 PM

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So go G R G Mut R Vend GC Exsang

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Is what I see top parses do when they have GC

frosty obsidian Sep 16, 2018, 3:09 PM

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u don’t sim hectic add cleave lol

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u sim patchwerk for 3-5 bosses for 1min to simulate a m+ pack

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 3:10 PM

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Hectic add cleave is intermittent right

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Patchwerk is constant

frosty obsidian Sep 16, 2018, 3:10 PM

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API will not optimize movement like real human

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kind of useless

fallen sandal Sep 16, 2018, 3:11 PM

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you dont want to sim for aoe anyway

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it's not very accurate

frosty obsidian Sep 16, 2018, 3:11 PM

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is it worth to macro gc with exsang?

fallen sandal Sep 16, 2018, 3:12 PM

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nope

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 3:12 PM

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No

fallen sandal Sep 16, 2018, 3:12 PM

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not the same CD

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 3:12 PM

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You might want GC separate from Exsang in certain situations

frosty obsidian Sep 16, 2018, 3:12 PM

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use gc on cd after ven > gc > exs?

fallen sandal Sep 16, 2018, 3:12 PM

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you use GC on cd pretty much

frosty obsidian Sep 16, 2018, 3:12 PM

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ty

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 3:13 PM

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You'll line up Exsang GC Vanish and Vendetta 3rd go around

frosty obsidian Sep 16, 2018, 3:13 PM

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assuming boss fight is forgiving

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 3:13 PM

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4th for Exsang possibly

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Yes

frosty obsidian Sep 16, 2018, 3:14 PM

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sometimes I have to hold gc

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 3:14 PM

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Ofc

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Fights are dynamic

celest swan Sep 16, 2018, 3:14 PM

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i went to fetid heroic and killed him 4 tiems für the bonusrolls got the chest on the last ❤

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 3:14 PM

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Gz

frosty obsidian Sep 16, 2018, 3:14 PM

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grats:)

fallen sandal Sep 16, 2018, 3:14 PM

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not sure its worth

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you'd ever better used them for dagger

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on mother

celest swan Sep 16, 2018, 3:14 PM

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i can famr 370 dagger on m+

frosty obsidian Sep 16, 2018, 3:14 PM

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depends what he has

radiant atlas Sep 16, 2018, 3:15 PM

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wtf, I loaded this WA and it will not load, in combat, out of combat, doesn't matter won't show up. It's Mizerok's Sin WA

fallen sandal Sep 16, 2018, 3:15 PM

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assuming you got the chest in arena

frosty obsidian Sep 16, 2018, 3:15 PM

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im almost 1k io and have yet to see dagger drop 😭

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 3:15 PM

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:(

celest swan Sep 16, 2018, 3:15 PM

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and wont raid mythic with twink rogue

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ye got 1k now aswell we had no freehold the whole week -.-

coral nexus Sep 16, 2018, 3:15 PM

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What is IO?

celest swan Sep 16, 2018, 3:15 PM

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Raider.io

frosty obsidian Sep 16, 2018, 3:15 PM

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raiderio

fallen sandal Sep 16, 2018, 3:16 PM

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best dagger are in TD

coral nexus Sep 16, 2018, 3:16 PM

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Is that different than raidbots?

fallen sandal Sep 16, 2018, 3:16 PM

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for me

frosty obsidian Sep 16, 2018, 3:16 PM

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crit haste one?

fallen sandal Sep 16, 2018, 3:16 PM

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y

indigo verge Sep 16, 2018, 3:16 PM

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what is GC?

coral nexus Sep 16, 2018, 3:16 PM

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GC is galecallers

frosty obsidian Sep 16, 2018, 3:16 PM

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@coral nexus yes different

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raidbots is for sims, raider.io is to track m+ score

indigo verge Sep 16, 2018, 3:16 PM

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ah

coral nexus Sep 16, 2018, 3:16 PM

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OOh

high holly Sep 16, 2018, 3:18 PM

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bois when exsang comes off cd how do you deal with it? refresh all bleeds? what until acceptable pandemics to refresh then exsang? exsang off cd?

rain ibex Sep 16, 2018, 3:19 PM

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ss bugg fixed?

frosty obsidian Sep 16, 2018, 3:19 PM

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setup pandemics ahead of time and ex’s when it comes up

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u wanna like it up

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line

stoic beacon Sep 16, 2018, 3:19 PM

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Hi guys, what's a standard Assassination opener look like w/o lust and 3x suffocation traits?

frosty obsidian Sep 16, 2018, 3:19 PM

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so ur last pandemic bleed goes off just as exs is off CD

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@stoic beacon check the ravenholdt guide

stoic beacon Sep 16, 2018, 3:20 PM

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I did, wasnt sure if it was correct still so wanted it verified

nimble gulch Sep 16, 2018, 3:21 PM

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the opener in ravenhold guide is shit

fallen sandal Sep 16, 2018, 3:21 PM

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what's yours serux .

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with ravenhold opener i'm like 38k

frosty obsidian Sep 16, 2018, 3:22 PM

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what’s wrong with it

nimble gulch Sep 16, 2018, 3:22 PM

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mb i though it had the old one in it

coral nexus Sep 16, 2018, 3:22 PM

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Yeah, what is wrong with Ravenholt opener?

nimble gulch Sep 16, 2018, 3:22 PM

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nvm

stoic beacon Sep 16, 2018, 3:23 PM

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Shrouded suffocation combo point doesnt multiply right?

fallen sandal Sep 16, 2018, 3:23 PM

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nope

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only damages

stoic beacon Sep 16, 2018, 3:23 PM

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3x is still the way to go for the added dmg?

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 3:24 PM

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Ye

frosty obsidian Sep 16, 2018, 3:24 PM

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until nerf

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 3:24 PM

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Laser Matrix is good in Uldir

fallen sandal Sep 16, 2018, 3:24 PM

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yup

coral nexus Sep 16, 2018, 3:24 PM

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Does Azerite gear from M+?

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 3:24 PM

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Nerf DonkaS

stoic beacon Sep 16, 2018, 3:24 PM

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Anyone have a good bislist for Assassin?

coral nexus Sep 16, 2018, 3:24 PM

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I just use bloodmallet

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 3:25 PM

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Bloodmallet + sims

frosty obsidian Sep 16, 2018, 3:25 PM

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no real thing as bis

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just look for ss trait

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 3:25 PM

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Herodamage is good too

frosty obsidian Sep 16, 2018, 3:25 PM

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and yeah sim

fallen sandal Sep 16, 2018, 3:25 PM

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i prefer hero damage tho

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 3:26 PM

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Both are goos

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Good

stoic beacon Sep 16, 2018, 3:26 PM

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Fair enough

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 3:26 PM

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Just sim in case of doubt

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Nothing beats it

fallen sandal Sep 16, 2018, 3:26 PM

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bis are always fluctuating

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depending no your stats

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on*

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 3:27 PM

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Ye

kindred forge Sep 16, 2018, 3:27 PM

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For example when 360 crit/vers dagger sims lower then 350 haste/vers dagger

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Or 370 head sims lower then 355 head with SS on it

frosty obsidian Sep 16, 2018, 3:28 PM

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on sisters in wm - if u apply bleeds to all do u still get energy regen? Or does amount regained scale w bleed dmg

fallen sandal Sep 16, 2018, 3:28 PM

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it's because main hand dps is over everything

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 3:28 PM

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Use Top Gear and find your optimal balance

kindred forge Sep 16, 2018, 3:28 PM

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Off hand btw

desert pelican Sep 16, 2018, 3:28 PM

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Garotte worth to put on secondary targets in a middle of the boss fight only if they live for all of the duration?

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Im about not vanish buffed garotte

frosty obsidian Sep 16, 2018, 3:29 PM

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I think I read someone said it’s worth to finish with rupture if a mob is about to die since u regain energy still

coral nexus Sep 16, 2018, 3:29 PM

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Only if you don't have your buffed garrotes up because glitch will break those.

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 3:29 PM

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!ss

prisma monolithBOT Sep 16, 2018, 3:29 PM

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Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

desert pelican Sep 16, 2018, 3:30 PM

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Yeah i know exceptions, just wanna know is it worth it to 1 cp with short garotte bleed

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And how many sexonds will mob live for worth it

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 3:30 PM

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You can't know that

desert pelican Sep 16, 2018, 3:30 PM

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;)

frosty obsidian Sep 16, 2018, 3:30 PM

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y not just rupture it and garrotte big target

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 3:30 PM

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Some asshole in the raid might get MONSTER procs and destroy that mob with garrote

ruby idol Sep 16, 2018, 3:31 PM

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@frosty obsidian energy regen is flat per tick, tho I dont think it's worth spreading full bleeds. Better to just leave a big rupture on the target right before you swap to new one

frosty obsidian Sep 16, 2018, 3:31 PM

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thanks dad

fallen sandal Sep 16, 2018, 3:31 PM

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w8, im not english native speaker, can anyone rephrase the shit on SS garrote ?

spiral snow Sep 16, 2018, 3:31 PM

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for mythic+ should I go toxic blade or exsan?

ruby idol Sep 16, 2018, 3:31 PM

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And just tunnel the active one from there

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 3:31 PM

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Where are you from Sven

desert pelican Sep 16, 2018, 3:31 PM

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But im getting extra energy of garrottes tick too

fallen sandal Sep 16, 2018, 3:31 PM

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Belgium

frosty obsidian Sep 16, 2018, 3:31 PM

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2x ss tb sims higher for me

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 3:31 PM

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Lol no can do

frosty obsidian Sep 16, 2018, 3:31 PM

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when I got 3x ss exs sims higher

fallen sandal Sep 16, 2018, 3:31 PM

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you can rephrase it in english tho, im fluent enought

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 3:32 PM

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If you have 3 SS garrotes up

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If you use a normal garrote

frosty obsidian Sep 16, 2018, 3:32 PM

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@fallen sandal don’t apply garrotte if u have emp garrotte on any target

spiral snow Sep 16, 2018, 3:32 PM

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just 1 ss atm

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 3:32 PM

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The 3 SS garrotes lose SS

fallen sandal Sep 16, 2018, 3:32 PM

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ah yeah alright

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 3:33 PM

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And you go from 30k dps to 10

frosty obsidian Sep 16, 2018, 3:33 PM

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why is ss so much damage?

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trait says 511 flat buff right?

desert pelican Sep 16, 2018, 3:33 PM

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511 these days not so low ;D

high siren Sep 16, 2018, 3:33 PM

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because of subterfuge

normal geode Sep 16, 2018, 3:34 PM

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what's the deal with multiple garrotes from stealth (on ST)? is it just to get combo points?

frosty obsidian Sep 16, 2018, 3:34 PM

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pandemic

normal geode Sep 16, 2018, 3:34 PM

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ie: "Vanish when Garrote runs out
Garrote twice"

daring imp Sep 16, 2018, 3:34 PM

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extending empowered garrote time

normal geode Sep 16, 2018, 3:34 PM

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ok

daring imp Sep 16, 2018, 3:34 PM

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!ss

prisma monolithBOT Sep 16, 2018, 3:34 PM

#

Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

daring imp Sep 16, 2018, 3:35 PM

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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xac5HPe_-CgXJo4yUiv_LJldqLu5WjPjUq9d0wRqmIg/edit

Google Docs

Assassination Opener Explanations /w Shrouded Suffocation

Sheet1

Toxic Blade Opener( with 1+ Shrouded Suffocation)
Rotation, Stealth, Garrote, Rupture, Garrote, Vendetta, Toxic Blade, Envenom, Mut/ ENV Filler, Vanish+ Garrote x2
Details and Explanation, Precombat actions
( potion, flask, etc.), Empowered/ w Subterfuge and SS
( 1...

frosty obsidian Sep 16, 2018, 3:35 PM

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lol

fallen sandal Sep 16, 2018, 3:35 PM

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https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6m5enUCrsY7cKuaP1Qgyfv

Raidbots

Top Gear - Svnn - 14,724 DPS - Raidbots

coral nexus Sep 16, 2018, 3:35 PM

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Is everyone just saying pandemic meaning to extend dot time? isn't pandemic like a warlock trait or something?

frosty obsidian Sep 16, 2018, 3:35 PM

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first thing u see - ‘gameplay notes: fuck if I know’

daring imp Sep 16, 2018, 3:36 PM

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everyone has pandemic

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on dots/hots/buffs they can reapply at will before it ends

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except i guess on specific stuff like elaborate planning

red plaza Sep 16, 2018, 3:36 PM

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Pandemic was the passive for Warlocks during MoP, which allowed DoTs to be refreshed upto 50% before. It's now baked into all classes as standard at 30% or whatever. So if your Rupture lasts 20 seconds (no idea what it actually is), you can reapply it at 6 seconds and under, and nothing will be lost. You'll then just get a 26 second Rupture.

People just refer to it as Pandemic still though.

daring imp Sep 16, 2018, 3:36 PM

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afaik no pandemic on that

coral nexus Sep 16, 2018, 3:37 PM

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Gotcha, didn't know they did that. I stopped playing early MoP and was a Lock main before that.

ruby idol Sep 16, 2018, 3:38 PM

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No pandemic on ep ya. You just try to clip it as much as possible for max uptime during vendetta, emp garrotes and TB/exsang windows

coral nexus Sep 16, 2018, 3:38 PM

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What is ep?

ruby idol Sep 16, 2018, 3:38 PM

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Elaborate planning

coral nexus Sep 16, 2018, 3:38 PM

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Ooh

high siren Sep 16, 2018, 3:39 PM

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guys, I still have the dagger from last week as a reward for the 500 conquest points, am I fucked to get the chest ?

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 3:39 PM

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Hey guys, do i rupture every add in a m+ trahs fight or is there a treshhold?

normal geode Sep 16, 2018, 3:39 PM

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so how come you can refresh garrote and get pandemic at the start.. instead of having to wait till there's only 30¤% left?

ruby idol Sep 16, 2018, 3:39 PM

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Because subterfuge falls

coral nexus Sep 16, 2018, 3:39 PM

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30% is when you techincally don't waste any

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I believe.

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But since we want the extra damage

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we Waste time time because we will lose subterfuge

ruby idol Sep 16, 2018, 3:40 PM

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Rupture 3 boys is usually enough

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You start to energy cap past 3 garrote/ruptures and just slamming envenoms becomes more efficient

coral nexus Sep 16, 2018, 3:41 PM

#

I keep hearing that PB / CT are neck and neck for fights, does that mean they are similar for Single target too?

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 3:41 PM

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ok, and do i use FoK vs 2 targes?

ruby idol Sep 16, 2018, 3:41 PM

#

3

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 3:41 PM

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alright, thx!

red plaza Sep 16, 2018, 3:42 PM

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no CT is useless for Single Target

ruby idol Sep 16, 2018, 3:42 PM

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Pb always st

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They're just close in terms of m+ value

coral nexus Sep 16, 2018, 3:42 PM

#

So basically CT for M+ and PB for Raids?

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Well except for add fights

slender pewter Sep 16, 2018, 3:42 PM

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Do Sin rogues ever run the orb on Ghuun?

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or any rogues really?

red plaza Sep 16, 2018, 3:42 PM

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I would say CT for M+ with Fortified and just PB for Raids/M+ with Tyrannical

ruby idol Sep 16, 2018, 3:43 PM

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Literally any class can run

#

Rogue is decent, sub better than the other 2 specs

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At running

ionic charm Sep 16, 2018, 3:43 PM

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I have to open running D:

paper root Sep 16, 2018, 3:43 PM

#

whats the difference between battle pot agi and bursting blood now?

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need something cheap for m+ spamming

ruby idol Sep 16, 2018, 3:44 PM

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Running p1 is whatever. None of that damage matters

paper root Sep 16, 2018, 3:44 PM

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1 flash and like 15-20 pots an hour kills me 😛

ruby idol Sep 16, 2018, 3:44 PM

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Just run prolongeds in m+

ionic charm Sep 16, 2018, 3:44 PM

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Yeah that’s why I do it, just feels bad to not get to garrote open

spice surge Sep 16, 2018, 3:50 PM

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Unless you're pushing high you shouldnt need pots and flasks, although they never hurt

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Prolonged is a good option to spend less gold

smoky topaz Sep 16, 2018, 3:54 PM

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someone got nice weakauras for assi rogue to see the duration of dmg increse pls ;)?

spice surge Sep 16, 2018, 3:54 PM

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!wa

prisma monolithBOT Sep 16, 2018, 3:54 PM

#

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

smoky topaz Sep 16, 2018, 3:57 PM

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ty 😉

crimson swift Sep 16, 2018, 4:12 PM

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i just got a 365 gb and a 370 dooms wake, by far my best trinkets but both are on use...

crisp lava Sep 16, 2018, 4:15 PM

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you say that as if its a problem.. on use is BiS

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on use is BAE, if you will

crimson swift Sep 16, 2018, 4:15 PM

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yeah, but not 2 of them

crisp lava Sep 16, 2018, 4:15 PM

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then use galecallers

supple hearth Sep 16, 2018, 4:15 PM

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use darkmoon for 2nd. ez

crisp lava Sep 16, 2018, 4:15 PM

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and something else

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lol

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1st world problems lol

crimson swift Sep 16, 2018, 4:16 PM

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ik, it kinda is but it still feels like wasted potential

crisp lava Sep 16, 2018, 4:16 PM

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yeah I hear you.

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GCB is best, so use that and fathoms

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 4:17 PM

#

talents for ghuun?

#

ct or pb?

crisp lava Sep 16, 2018, 4:17 PM

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pb

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easy choice

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you want all the ST you can get for the burst phase when you go ham and he takes extra damage.. the 1st phase is fine to spread rups and garrotes no need for CT

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Thats just my opinion by the way, Im am in no way an assa connoseiur

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an ass connoseiur however >:)

coarse lichen Sep 16, 2018, 4:20 PM

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hey guys quick question. does it matter which way i enchant weaps with quick/deadly for main/offhand?

ruby idol Sep 16, 2018, 4:20 PM

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All p1 dmg is just padding. Run pb

vast berry Sep 16, 2018, 4:22 PM

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@coarse lichen no

coarse lichen Sep 16, 2018, 4:23 PM

#

ta

hybrid mural Sep 16, 2018, 4:25 PM

#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT Sep 16, 2018, 4:25 PM

#

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 4:33 PM

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The absolute state of Dalaran subs

📎 dfc.png

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can some1 xplain me how to play with exg

hollow trail Sep 16, 2018, 4:37 PM

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anyone have the TB/exsang macro handy? so i dont have to replace the spell each time i change talents

gleaming cliff Sep 16, 2018, 4:38 PM

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#showtooltip
/cast [talent:6/2]Toxic Blade;[talent6/3]Exsanguinate

hollow trail Sep 16, 2018, 4:38 PM

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thanks!

worn cloak Sep 16, 2018, 4:38 PM

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well that won't work, unless you fix it

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;d

hollow trail Sep 16, 2018, 4:39 PM

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whats wrong with it?

worn cloak Sep 16, 2018, 4:40 PM

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take a closer look

gleaming cliff Sep 16, 2018, 4:40 PM

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lmao

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I use it

worn cloak Sep 16, 2018, 4:40 PM

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well i have bad news

gleaming cliff Sep 16, 2018, 4:40 PM

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and it works perfectly fine

worn cloak Sep 16, 2018, 4:40 PM

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this doesn't work

#

😐

gleaming cliff Sep 16, 2018, 4:40 PM

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how can it not work for you and work perfeclty for me

worn cloak Sep 16, 2018, 4:41 PM

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because wow can't parse it

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 4:41 PM

#

when do u guys use exg ?

worn cloak Sep 16, 2018, 4:41 PM

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o.O

gleaming cliff Sep 16, 2018, 4:41 PM

#

????????

worn cloak Sep 16, 2018, 4:41 PM

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do you even look at your own thing you post 😛

#

there is a typo

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 4:41 PM

#

/cast [talent:6/2] Toxic Blade
/cast [talent:6/3] Exsanguinate```

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fuck

gleaming cliff Sep 16, 2018, 4:41 PM

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whatever man i copy pasted my macro

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 4:41 PM

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That's the one I use

hollow trail Sep 16, 2018, 4:42 PM

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yeah, it just worked for me.

gleaming cliff Sep 16, 2018, 4:42 PM

#

^^

dire spoke Sep 16, 2018, 4:42 PM

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Isn't this gonna bring a delay bc it tries TB first when talented into exsa

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 4:42 PM

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Na

#

it even changes the tooltip

raven bloom Sep 16, 2018, 4:43 PM

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kits the same setup as #showtooltip
/cast [talent:4/1] Ring of Peace; [talent:4/2] Song of Chi-Ji; [talent:4/3] Leg Sweep

hollow trail Sep 16, 2018, 4:43 PM

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obli and nadems macros work just fine

raven bloom Sep 16, 2018, 4:43 PM

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it just auto changes skill based on talent yo uchose

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 4:43 PM

#

^

worn cloak Sep 16, 2018, 4:43 PM

#

jesus

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 4:43 PM

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They're basically the same anyway

worn cloak Sep 16, 2018, 4:43 PM

#

i mean seriously

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D:

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 4:43 PM

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Obli's is cleaner looking too imo

raven bloom Sep 16, 2018, 4:43 PM

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lol

worn cloak Sep 16, 2018, 4:44 PM

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here you go, another hint

#

📎 unknown.png

raven bloom Sep 16, 2018, 4:44 PM

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well i use : instead of pressing enter and /cast again

hollow trail Sep 16, 2018, 4:44 PM

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Yuyuli shed some light on what you mean instead of just saying "jfc"

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 4:44 PM

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ah

hollow trail Sep 16, 2018, 4:44 PM

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be helpful.

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 4:44 PM

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He forgot the :

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between talent and 6/3

worn cloak Sep 16, 2018, 4:44 PM

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exactly, that macro ain't working without that

raven bloom Sep 16, 2018, 4:44 PM

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its semi colon

hollow trail Sep 16, 2018, 4:45 PM

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and yet it still cast exsang on my screen 🤔

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 4:45 PM

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fucking nitpicking passive-aggressive baby

raven bloom Sep 16, 2018, 4:45 PM

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lol

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 4:45 PM

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Just tell us rather than play around like a child

hollow trail Sep 16, 2018, 4:45 PM

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QQ, he just wants to stick his nose in the air

undone sandal Sep 16, 2018, 4:45 PM

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Hey guys: For bloodmallet the engineering head sims better than SS for hectic add cleave, my question is: how many adds does it sim when it's defined as hecitc add cleave?

worn cloak Sep 16, 2018, 4:45 PM

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git gud

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 4:45 PM

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"i have bad news for you SNORT"

worn cloak Sep 16, 2018, 4:45 PM

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.-.

delicate horizon Sep 16, 2018, 4:45 PM

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Just mention that instead of being a dick xD

hollow trail Sep 16, 2018, 4:45 PM

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whatever, thanks Obli and nadem

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 4:45 PM

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My macro was correct anyway so why would I be mad

worn cloak Sep 16, 2018, 4:45 PM

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your macro was fine

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 4:46 PM

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Yeah but your attitude wasn't lul

hollow trail Sep 16, 2018, 4:46 PM

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regardless, @gleaming cliff macro still worked without the :

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 4:46 PM

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lol

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That's impressive

worn cloak Sep 16, 2018, 4:47 PM

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because it just ignores the condition

undone sandal Sep 16, 2018, 4:47 PM

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Engineering head or SS for m+?

worn cloak Sep 16, 2018, 4:47 PM

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that macro is actually working like this /cast [talent:6/2]Toxic Blade;Exsanguinate without the :

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thats why it "works"

spice surge Sep 16, 2018, 4:48 PM

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Well that would try to show exsang if you had venom rush specced

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But its pretty w/e

worn cloak Sep 16, 2018, 4:49 PM

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obviously

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 4:49 PM

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Who takes Venom Rush anyway 😏

undone sandal Sep 16, 2018, 4:49 PM

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Follow-up question, how can I sim an item I don't have?

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 4:49 PM

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Maybe in pvp

hollow trail Sep 16, 2018, 4:49 PM

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@undone sandal gear compare raidbots.com

supple hearth Sep 16, 2018, 4:51 PM

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no u take tb in pvp

undone sandal Sep 16, 2018, 4:51 PM

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Tahnks @hollow trail

slow yacht Sep 16, 2018, 4:51 PM

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Hey guys quick question.
I got a 370 shoulder that has Scen t of blood. Should I use it or is not having 3x Shrouded Suffocation just not worth?

supple hearth Sep 16, 2018, 4:52 PM

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have u tried simming

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 4:52 PM

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Sim

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Yo

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Self

hollow trail Sep 16, 2018, 4:52 PM

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@slow yacht use Top gear compare on raidbots to figure out the best combo

lone junco Sep 16, 2018, 4:53 PM

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@slow yacht for m+ try 6T 40sec patchwerk. No buffs.

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My guess is that. Raid and m+ will differ.

gleaming cliff Sep 16, 2018, 4:53 PM

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@strange python Dont worry about , after a hard day of being bullied at school he needs to feel powerful over somebody, anyways im letting myself out

lone junco Sep 16, 2018, 4:54 PM

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I like scent tbh. Gives you some beef over time with adds.

slow yacht Sep 16, 2018, 4:54 PM

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alright, thx.

worn cloak Sep 16, 2018, 4:54 PM

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@gleaming cliff i explained why the macro doesn't actually work properly

scenic saffron Sep 16, 2018, 4:55 PM

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is it worth to use FoK for 2 targets ?

sturdy nova Sep 16, 2018, 4:56 PM

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3+ fok

slender pewter Sep 16, 2018, 4:57 PM

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Overwhelming power > Heed my call?

lone junco Sep 16, 2018, 4:57 PM

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Use your charts or top gear sim for the 2nd row

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Mob count probably matters

hollow trail Sep 16, 2018, 4:58 PM

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@slender pewter https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/azerite-stacks/1t-t22-assassination-exsg

Hero Damage

Class theorycrafting community, latest simulation results and resources -based on SimulationCraft- for World of Warcraft.

slender pewter Sep 16, 2018, 4:58 PM

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Thanks ❤

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 4:58 PM

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When do you think SS will be nerfed?

hollow trail Sep 16, 2018, 4:59 PM

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no one has said that it will, just implied that something will happen. we dont know

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 4:59 PM

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It should get nerfed

hollow trail Sep 16, 2018, 4:59 PM

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okay

undone sandal Sep 16, 2018, 5:01 PM

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I am trying to sim the engineering head with the options of 3 targets and 1 min fight. No BL. Seems logical?

lone junco Sep 16, 2018, 5:01 PM

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My blatant guess, is that dr will happen to traits. Like it did with relics. With regard to stacking.

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@undone sandal 3T 1 min is a little long. What fight are you trying to test?

undone sandal Sep 16, 2018, 5:02 PM

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trying to simulate higher keystones on ads.

lone junco Sep 16, 2018, 5:02 PM

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I do 6t 20. Or 4t 40. No buffs.

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Patchwerk.

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Cause the addcleave timings are in waves.

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But just do what makes sense for your group.

undone sandal Sep 16, 2018, 5:03 PM

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Nah, it makes sense!

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I will try and sim again.

lone junco Sep 16, 2018, 5:03 PM

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It won't do ggg Ct. and it does vendetta vansish.

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So just know it's a little wonky.

slow yacht Sep 16, 2018, 5:03 PM

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Btw is it still too early to state which rogue spec is best at mythic+? Or has it started to reveal itself.

lone junco Sep 16, 2018, 5:04 PM

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Sin is god imo. Musclebro is fairweatheter and flip flops Willy nilly.

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He's even playing SS.

chrome ledge Sep 16, 2018, 5:04 PM

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Do people use poison bomb or crimson tempest for m+?

lone junco Sep 16, 2018, 5:05 PM

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Either.

slow yacht Sep 16, 2018, 5:05 PM

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Sorry i have no idea what anything past "sin is god imo" means : p

lone junco Sep 16, 2018, 5:05 PM

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I like Ct. some like Pb for tyrannical.

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Play 3 SS. And don't bug your garrotes.

lofty sand Sep 16, 2018, 5:05 PM

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The guys pushing keys as rogues are using Sin.

undone sandal Sep 16, 2018, 5:05 PM

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But Noobe, does the sim take advantage of the multi-garrote with SS trait?

lone junco Sep 16, 2018, 5:06 PM

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It does 2x.

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You can read it yourself.

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Run the sim. Click HTML. Go to apl and sample sequence.

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Each garrote is worth about 100k dmg.

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You can ggg r. Or ggg Ct based on target condition.

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I tried to make an apl that would overcap ggg. But I'm bad and it wouldn't.

undone sandal Sep 16, 2018, 5:10 PM

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Yeah, I'm not so skilled in simming my self. So I have hard time simming anything outside single target.

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The engineering goggles sims worse than SS, even though bloodmallet ranks it alot higher.

summer marsh Sep 16, 2018, 5:12 PM

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Hey yall did shrouded suff get nerfed w/i in the last week or so?

split dirge Sep 16, 2018, 5:13 PM

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how can i figure out the optimal time to use my dooms wake trinket?

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should i do it as soon as pull or as i vendetta or something else

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or even pre pull? as the agi stacks up to around 2k after 10 sec

undone sandal Sep 16, 2018, 5:14 PM

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Seens like a good trinket to push with vendetta

spice surge Sep 16, 2018, 5:14 PM

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Vendetta

lone junco Sep 16, 2018, 5:14 PM

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@undone sandal try again. At 10t 1mins. If the goggles don't win then, it never will.

spice surge Sep 16, 2018, 5:14 PM

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As you use vendetta prior to exsang and stuff

sonic rapids Sep 16, 2018, 5:14 PM

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for our second exsang infight, do we just use it after refreshing rupture (4CP+) and w/e garrote or do we try to max it as in full garrote and 5CP rupture?

undone sandal Sep 16, 2018, 5:15 PM

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@lone junco Haha, okay!

split dirge Sep 16, 2018, 5:15 PM

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would it be overly dumb of me to bind it to a macro with Vendetta then? seeing as they share the same cd

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there might be some sort of situation i cant think of where thatd cuck me but im not sure

undone sandal Sep 16, 2018, 5:16 PM

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I would do it.

split dirge Sep 16, 2018, 5:17 PM

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speaking of that

undone sandal Sep 16, 2018, 5:17 PM

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What kind of scenario would you see where you would need to use vendetta, and not use the trinket or vice versa?

split dirge Sep 16, 2018, 5:17 PM

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i take it dot and poison damage adapts to our stats? and doesnt snapshot?

safe matrix Sep 16, 2018, 5:19 PM

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only 3 things snapshot in the sin kit

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-garrote from stealth/subterfuge
-bleeds applied from stealth with nightstalker
-exsang snapshots based on current haste

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all other damage is dynamic

undone sandal Sep 16, 2018, 5:20 PM

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!0 targets, AZ3-R1-T3 Gearspun Goggles still comes short. Seems strange though? How did the guys at BloodMallet rank it so highly?

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10 targets*

split dirge Sep 16, 2018, 5:20 PM

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so in that case would it not be worth popping my Dooms Wake before pull for my subterfuge garrote?

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@safe matrix

safe matrix Sep 16, 2018, 5:21 PM

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no

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well yes

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but that doest snapshot

split dirge Sep 16, 2018, 5:21 PM

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oh

safe matrix Sep 16, 2018, 5:21 PM

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only the effect from subterfuge/SS snapshots

split dirge Sep 16, 2018, 5:21 PM

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ah

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cool

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thanks

safe matrix Sep 16, 2018, 5:21 PM

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the NS/subt snapshots snapshot the effects

ancient compass Sep 16, 2018, 5:21 PM

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What do you mean by snapshot?

safe matrix Sep 16, 2018, 5:22 PM

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whether the damage for something is calculated at the beginning or if it updates during

split dirge Sep 16, 2018, 5:22 PM

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takes a "snapshot" of your stats and buffs on cast

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and takes them into account for whole duration

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even if they run out during

vestal wren Sep 16, 2018, 5:22 PM

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exsang snapshots haste

ancient compass Sep 16, 2018, 5:22 PM

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Oh so like if you gain haste while a bleed is active will the bleed tick faster?

safe matrix Sep 16, 2018, 5:23 PM

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yeap

split dirge Sep 16, 2018, 5:23 PM

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if you dont exsang

safe matrix Sep 16, 2018, 5:23 PM

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except int he case of exsang

split dirge Sep 16, 2018, 5:23 PM

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if im understanding right

safe matrix Sep 16, 2018, 5:23 PM

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because exsang looks at your haste when it was cast

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and then calculates the tick rate for the whole buff from that

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but other damage modifiers like vendetta are still dynamic

ancient compass Sep 16, 2018, 5:23 PM

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So you want max haste when you pop exang

safe matrix Sep 16, 2018, 5:23 PM

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because they apply the damage buff only when active

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preferably

spring prawn Sep 16, 2018, 5:24 PM

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I DID IT

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26 hours update: got my galecaller :>

quasi saffron Sep 16, 2018, 5:24 PM

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Speaking of exang, what's the best way to use it outside of the opener?

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Do you over refresh both bleeds then exang

spring prawn Sep 16, 2018, 5:25 PM

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do i delay every exsang to cast it with galecaller now?

split dirge Sep 16, 2018, 5:25 PM

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i refresh and then pandemic but idk if thats optimal or not

quasi saffron Sep 16, 2018, 5:26 PM

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In the opener you over refresh rupture at like 12s

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So guess it could be a similar point mid pull

tidal sedge Sep 16, 2018, 5:28 PM

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https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hc5U8Q11DruhBE2ZhAAhp1

Raidbots

Quick Sim - Ravish - 13,720 DPS - Raidbots

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how am i lookin?

split dirge Sep 16, 2018, 5:29 PM

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https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nq6ThK8Vg5DytiLVRQMmLw

Raidbots

Top Gear - Azzathoth - 12,604 DPS - Raidbots

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pretty good

tired escarp Sep 16, 2018, 5:29 PM

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!stats

prisma monolithBOT Sep 16, 2018, 5:29 PM

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Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > mastery > vers >= haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.

spring prawn Sep 16, 2018, 5:29 PM

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do i galecaller before or after exsang?

split dirge Sep 16, 2018, 5:30 PM

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before

spring prawn Sep 16, 2018, 5:30 PM

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and do i delay every exsang for galecaller?

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or should i just spam both on cooldown?

split dirge Sep 16, 2018, 5:30 PM

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not really sure

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it sounds good to save it but youd prob lose 2 - 3 exsanguinates over a fight if you did

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which might not be worth it

spring prawn Sep 16, 2018, 5:31 PM

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well

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rank 1 assas rogue exsangs first

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xd

chrome cave Sep 16, 2018, 5:31 PM

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I did it bois

spring prawn Sep 16, 2018, 5:31 PM

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im confused

chrome cave Sep 16, 2018, 5:31 PM

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https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/moGrQL7TjxZAmDcAiBD17U

Raidbots

Top Gear - Sazanami - 15,046 DPS - Raidbots

split dirge Sep 16, 2018, 5:31 PM

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maybe im confusing it

chrome cave Sep 16, 2018, 5:31 PM

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15k club

split dirge Sep 16, 2018, 5:31 PM

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but i wouldve thought youd want the haste buff before the exsang

spice surge Sep 16, 2018, 5:33 PM

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You just use them on CD

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Make sure gc is up for vendetta+vanish

spring prawn Sep 16, 2018, 5:33 PM

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do i use galecaller before exsang or after? @spice surge

spice surge Sep 16, 2018, 5:33 PM

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Sometimes exsang lines up with that, sometimes not (at 2.20 for example it should line up)

safe matrix Sep 16, 2018, 5:33 PM

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before exsang

spring prawn Sep 16, 2018, 5:34 PM

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hm ok

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ty

tidal sedge Sep 16, 2018, 5:37 PM

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that is a lot of haste gems

safe matrix Sep 16, 2018, 5:38 PM

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sin wants haste

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a lot

split dirge Sep 16, 2018, 5:38 PM

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fucking hell

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7 sockets

manic remnant Sep 16, 2018, 5:38 PM

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my sim now tells me stat priority mastery WTF??

split dirge Sep 16, 2018, 5:38 PM

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8

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even

manic remnant Sep 16, 2018, 5:38 PM

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https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/x7zTVBfR7pN8sCfUyQAHyp

Raidbots

Stat Weights - Laspi - 13,235 DPS - Raidbots

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go for mastery or keep haste?

undone cairn Sep 16, 2018, 5:39 PM

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@chrome cave whats with all the mastery?

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highest gear you got?

spring prawn Sep 16, 2018, 5:39 PM

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https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sx3Q9y8fjK1WRaPcDHa5dU

Raidbots

Top Gear - Zandriell - 14,940 DPS - Raidbots

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nooo 60 dps missing

safe matrix Sep 16, 2018, 5:39 PM

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sim it from that point on

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you have a lot of haste

chrome cave Sep 16, 2018, 5:39 PM

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I dunno best stuff I've got that sims highest

undone cairn Sep 16, 2018, 5:39 PM

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ic

void pecan Sep 16, 2018, 5:39 PM

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I'm at 18%? and haste is 4th for me now

safe matrix Sep 16, 2018, 5:40 PM

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it depends on your gear really

split dirge Sep 16, 2018, 5:40 PM

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how many targets should i sim for m+?

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/ what settings

manic remnant Sep 16, 2018, 5:42 PM

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im at 21%crit
20%haste
31%mastery
and sim tells me more mastery is that correct?

tidal sedge Sep 16, 2018, 5:42 PM

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https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qutecyWrSFQmgfM9SJ8otq

Raidbots

Stat Weights - Ravish - 13,720 DPS - Raidbots

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im at 18% haste

novel lake Sep 16, 2018, 5:44 PM

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I heard something about a bug with SS when you apply your 4th unbuffed Garrote

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that all do less dmg

safe matrix Sep 16, 2018, 5:45 PM

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!ss

prisma monolithBOT Sep 16, 2018, 5:45 PM

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Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

novel lake Sep 16, 2018, 5:45 PM

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is that correct?

chrome cave Sep 16, 2018, 5:45 PM

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yes

novel lake Sep 16, 2018, 5:45 PM

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ah thx

chrome cave Sep 16, 2018, 5:45 PM

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still bugged

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just do 3

novel lake Sep 16, 2018, 5:45 PM

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thx

spice frost Sep 16, 2018, 5:45 PM

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@chrome cave https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7YqhhQbPN5ckAKL4sx7Yn7 me too

Raidbots

Stat Weights - Cooby - 15,211 DPS - Raidbots

tidal sedge Sep 16, 2018, 5:45 PM

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yes

chrome cave Sep 16, 2018, 5:45 PM

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damn nice

tidal sedge Sep 16, 2018, 5:45 PM

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if you do 25k you did it right, if you did 10k you did it wrong

safe matrix Sep 16, 2018, 5:45 PM

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its the application from nonstealth that breaks it

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you can apply 6

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but youhave to vanish

chrome cave Sep 16, 2018, 5:45 PM

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man fuck

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I want your dagger Cooby

spice frost Sep 16, 2018, 5:46 PM

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Don’t apply garrote after subterfuge buff expires in opener = avoid bug.

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Yea I got lucky last night

safe matrix Sep 16, 2018, 5:46 PM

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thats a really high haste value

potent rune Sep 16, 2018, 5:47 PM

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does exang affect all targets with crimson tempest or just the initial target?

spring prawn Sep 16, 2018, 5:47 PM

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initial ofc

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lol

lofty junco Sep 16, 2018, 5:47 PM

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someone ahve a macro fpr exsang and TB in one? so that i don't need 2 macros?

torn hornet Sep 16, 2018, 5:47 PM

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sad day when sim tells me 30 ilvl upgrade on shoulders isn't an upgrade because I lose 1 SS trait.

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feelsbadman

cinder yoke Sep 16, 2018, 5:47 PM

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does anyone know offhand if we want to hold exsang to line up with galecallers boon?

chrome cave Sep 16, 2018, 5:48 PM

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#showtooltip
/cast [talent:6/3] Exsanguinate; [talent:6/2] Toxic Blade

lofty junco Sep 16, 2018, 5:48 PM

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ty

carmine island Sep 16, 2018, 5:49 PM

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Anyone know best way to use exsang? if there is a certain timer on dots that you can keep them or if it's worth to refresh both before using exsang?

spring prawn Sep 16, 2018, 5:49 PM

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im always refreshing both

chrome cave Sep 16, 2018, 5:49 PM

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you should line it up on dot refreshal

spring prawn Sep 16, 2018, 5:49 PM

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not sure if its optimal tho

spice surge Sep 16, 2018, 5:49 PM

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As high as possible

chrome cave Sep 16, 2018, 5:49 PM

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but if you can't you should refresh yes

spice frost Sep 16, 2018, 5:49 PM

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@cinder yoke I’ve been trying to find that answer also. The lineup is nice but it messes up the lineup with 2nd vanish so I’m still not sure if it’s worth or not

manic remnant Sep 16, 2018, 5:50 PM

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or if u are lazy u can spam this for opener

chrome cave Sep 16, 2018, 5:50 PM

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all I want from this spec is for that dogshit bug to get fixed already

manic remnant Sep 16, 2018, 5:50 PM

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#showtooltip
/cast [stealth] Garrote
/castsequence [nostealth] reset=target Rupture, Garrote, Mutilate, Vendetta, Rupture, Exsanguinate, Mutilate, Mutilate, Envenom, Mutilate, Mutilate, Envenom, Mutilate, Vanish,

cinder yoke Sep 16, 2018, 5:50 PM

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yea i was figuring, hold for the second exsang, then hold slightly again for the second vanish to resync everything

spice frost Sep 16, 2018, 5:51 PM

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That’s 3 exsang in the time it takes to use 4 though. You lost a cast of a 45sec cd within 2.5 min. It adds up

chrome cave Sep 16, 2018, 5:52 PM

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yeh just use it on cd and hold until vanish honestly

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ensanging empowered garrotes is a beast

spice frost Sep 16, 2018, 5:52 PM

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Nuances. Prob not worth losing casts.

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What seph said.

cinder yoke Sep 16, 2018, 5:52 PM

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well i was wondering more if there were any sims done

spice frost Sep 16, 2018, 5:52 PM

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Delaying probably only worth to line w vanish

cinder yoke Sep 16, 2018, 5:52 PM

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not really into feely

spice frost Sep 16, 2018, 5:53 PM

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I’ve asked. Haven’t seen an answer

spice surge Sep 16, 2018, 5:54 PM

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Not worth delaying exsang for anything

inner surge Sep 16, 2018, 5:54 PM

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thanks rngesus (?)

📎 unknown.png

chrome cave Sep 16, 2018, 5:54 PM

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damn

spice surge Sep 16, 2018, 5:55 PM

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Only CD thats worth delaying is the second vendetta for 15 seconds so it lines up with vanish

chrome cave Sep 16, 2018, 5:55 PM

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my reorigination array gives mastery

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feelsbadman

royal lantern Sep 16, 2018, 5:55 PM

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what

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how much mastery did you stack lol

chrome cave Sep 16, 2018, 5:55 PM

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1k+ mastery 950 haste

royal lantern Sep 16, 2018, 5:56 PM

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maybe optimize your gear?

chrome cave Sep 16, 2018, 5:56 PM

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maybe I would if I got drops xD

royal lantern Sep 16, 2018, 5:56 PM

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you can farm m+

chrome cave Sep 16, 2018, 5:56 PM

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simming 15k even so I don't see the problem

spice surge Sep 16, 2018, 5:56 PM

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What stats you have is pretty irrelevant tbh. You take whatever sims the highest

void pecan Sep 16, 2018, 5:56 PM

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You can farm anything, but that doesn't mean you'll get shit for loot.

chrome cave Sep 16, 2018, 5:56 PM

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^

void pecan Sep 16, 2018, 5:56 PM

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rng is rng.

spice surge Sep 16, 2018, 5:56 PM

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Sure, haste would be better, but if you have high ilvl pieces that give more damage

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then fuck haste

chrome cave Sep 16, 2018, 5:56 PM

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^

runic void Sep 16, 2018, 5:57 PM

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yo guys, starting my rogue will gear it up for pushing high keys and some raiding. do you recommend me to enchant my stuff with crit that will work for both fortified and tyrannical?

cold patio Sep 16, 2018, 5:57 PM

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must i snapshot garrote with gale trinket or will it just scale up after trinket use?

spice surge Sep 16, 2018, 5:58 PM

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It scales

cold patio Sep 16, 2018, 5:58 PM

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k thx

dreamy elk Sep 16, 2018, 5:58 PM

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Few optimization questions:

Initial opener (with at least one SS trait) ends up delaying vanish + vendetta cooldowns by about 20s apart. Is it worth holding the vendetta until vanish is off of CD to synchronize them after the opener?
When using envenoms + elaborate planning, do you generally try to clip your elaborate plannings to take advantage of 10% damage buff on your envenoms? Or do you try to maintain a higher envenom uptime (which is longer than EP's buff)?
Are you generally banking energy to squeeze in more mutilates within an EP window (e.g. bank to 100 energy or so, envenom, then mutilate 2x kind of deal)?

chrome cave Sep 16, 2018, 5:59 PM

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2 clip for EP

spice surge Sep 16, 2018, 6:00 PM

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@dreamy elk 1. Yes
2. EP during empowered garrotes, envenom otherwise
3. Yes

runic void Sep 16, 2018, 6:01 PM

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yo guys, starting my rogue will gear it up for pushing high keys and some raiding. do you recommend me to enchant my stuff with crit that will work for both fortified and tyrannical? sorry asking this again but i really need an answer :/

tight hinge Sep 16, 2018, 6:02 PM

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Is it really really important to refresh rupture closer to 7.2sec with 5 cp and 6sec with 4cp, would you be losing out of dmg or anyhing if you refreshed say closer to 0-1sex

spice surge Sep 16, 2018, 6:02 PM

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It doesnt really matter, do it if you want to. The difference is pretty minimal

chrome cave Sep 16, 2018, 6:02 PM

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simself

spice surge Sep 16, 2018, 6:02 PM

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@tight hinge No you dont lose anything applying it closer to 1 second, but if you let it run out you lose damage

runic void Sep 16, 2018, 6:02 PM

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alright cheers

tight hinge Sep 16, 2018, 6:02 PM

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okay thanks jw why ravenholdt gives a specific time on the refresh if u dont lose dmg or whatever

cinder palm Sep 16, 2018, 6:03 PM

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Enchants depend on your current gear stat weights and you really need to sim once you get gear that is worth enchanting

dreamy elk Sep 16, 2018, 6:03 PM

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@spice surge Cool. Glad to see my intuition wasn't completely off. Thanks.

runic void Sep 16, 2018, 6:03 PM

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my main is enchanter so changing enchants isn't a big deal for me fortunetly

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but you got a point

nova gorge Sep 16, 2018, 6:03 PM

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Sorry if this has been answered elsewhere guys but when running Crimson Tempest for m+, do you include it on pure single target bosses or stick to rupture/envemon?

chrome cave Sep 16, 2018, 6:04 PM

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don't rune crimson tempest for m+ this week

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run*

cinder palm Sep 16, 2018, 6:04 PM

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Yeah I don’t enchant until I get big boy ilvl stuff

chrome cave Sep 16, 2018, 6:04 PM

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mobs die too fast to be useful

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use poison bomb this week

spice surge Sep 16, 2018, 6:04 PM

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Not really

nova gorge Sep 16, 2018, 6:04 PM

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That was my follow up question haha - I was guessing you'd bo bomb for tyrannical weeks

spice surge Sep 16, 2018, 6:04 PM

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And the thing is, CT is better than pb on short fights

chrome cave Sep 16, 2018, 6:04 PM

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how so?

solid mural Sep 16, 2018, 6:05 PM

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!stats

prisma monolithBOT Sep 16, 2018, 6:05 PM

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Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > mastery > vers >= haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.

runic void Sep 16, 2018, 6:05 PM

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is the FoK talent ever worth between PB and CT?

lost wharf Sep 16, 2018, 6:06 PM

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Does Shrouded Suffocation cp gain stack aswell or just the dmg part?

spice surge Sep 16, 2018, 6:06 PM

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Because PB (on average) dont really procc until a few seconds in when you have spent enough cp

split dirge Sep 16, 2018, 6:06 PM

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just damage

chrome cave Sep 16, 2018, 6:06 PM

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just dmg

spice surge Sep 16, 2018, 6:06 PM

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CT always just works

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So the longer the fight, the closer they get on average

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and the 2% loss on ST is worth the massive aoe gain

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IMO

chrome cave Sep 16, 2018, 6:06 PM

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highly disagree, it's more important to apply rupture to everything than fitting in a CT

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in that time you have a chance to proc PB

spice surge Sep 16, 2018, 6:07 PM

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Sim it yourself and you'll see

nova gorge Sep 16, 2018, 6:07 PM

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I'm doing that now on a 4 boss 1 minute fight to check

chrome cave Sep 16, 2018, 6:07 PM

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isn't the aoe sim a 3 min fight?

raven bloom Sep 16, 2018, 6:07 PM

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blah il lsit at my 12.5k

nova gorge Sep 16, 2018, 6:08 PM

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I'll do that too then I guess, I was spitballing it

wispy apex Sep 16, 2018, 6:08 PM

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Apart from opening, uing GC before exsang is not a thing anymore?

fresh ginkgo Sep 16, 2018, 6:09 PM

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are there any videos of rogue skips yet ?

spring prawn Sep 16, 2018, 6:09 PM

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rogue skips?

fresh ginkgo Sep 16, 2018, 6:09 PM

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for m+

nova gorge Sep 16, 2018, 6:09 PM

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Shroud

fresh ginkgo Sep 16, 2018, 6:09 PM

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usingshroud

spring prawn Sep 16, 2018, 6:10 PM

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oh. kinda depends on group :p

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dont think there are vids

tired garden Sep 16, 2018, 6:10 PM

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!stats

prisma monolithBOT Sep 16, 2018, 6:10 PM

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Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > mastery > vers >= haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.

torn hornet Sep 16, 2018, 6:10 PM

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where we get SS head?

fresh ginkgo Sep 16, 2018, 6:10 PM

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shrine

torn hornet Sep 16, 2018, 6:10 PM

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ok ty

fresh ginkgo Sep 16, 2018, 6:10 PM

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or WB

dusky fulcrum Sep 16, 2018, 6:10 PM

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XDDDDDD

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chrome cave Sep 16, 2018, 6:10 PM

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ToS shroud before putting key in before 1 second go down distract the shit sap one go further remember to refresh shroud, sap the stealth dude on the far left, engange downstairs group

dusky fulcrum Sep 16, 2018, 6:11 PM

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ez curve ez bis boots

chrome cave Sep 16, 2018, 6:11 PM

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Freehold - skip everything till first pack at boss

fresh ginkgo Sep 16, 2018, 6:11 PM

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free hold there is a few different way

chrome cave Sep 16, 2018, 6:11 PM

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Underrot - Skip everything to first boss

fresh ginkgo Sep 16, 2018, 6:12 PM

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you can go right

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and take the stairs but i dunno if that is the best way

calm grail Sep 16, 2018, 6:13 PM

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Someone was saying CT over PB for Dungeons even on Tyrannical? You won't use CT on bosses though either right?

nova gorge Sep 16, 2018, 6:13 PM

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CT coming out about 1k over PB for both 1 and 3 min aoe fights btw

calm grail Sep 16, 2018, 6:13 PM

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So you'd triple Garrote CT into ruptures on trash?

nova gorge Sep 16, 2018, 6:13 PM

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for my character obviously

chrome cave Sep 16, 2018, 6:14 PM

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you don't use CT on bosses yes

dreamy elk Sep 16, 2018, 6:14 PM

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Another optimization question:

Before going into a vendetta + vanish - double garrote combo, what things do you want to have ahead of time? Banked energy? Refreshed rupture?

lone junco Sep 16, 2018, 6:15 PM

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@calm grail seli and muscle both use Ct. on tyr. Cause even if you have pb. It is such a small portion of st damage compared to the trash packs.

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Maybe not kings rest.

calm grail Sep 16, 2018, 6:15 PM

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Do you generally do what I mentioned?

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Triple g Maintain CT > Ruptures

chrome cave Sep 16, 2018, 6:16 PM

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I don't use CT with non fortified

spice surge Sep 16, 2018, 6:16 PM

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Yes nira

calm grail Sep 16, 2018, 6:16 PM

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Okay

void pecan Sep 16, 2018, 6:16 PM

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I trust muscle and seli..

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so.

terse pawn Sep 16, 2018, 6:16 PM

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the emissary reward is an axe again?

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really

calm grail Sep 16, 2018, 6:16 PM

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Same.

terse pawn Sep 16, 2018, 6:16 PM

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jesus christ

spring prawn Sep 16, 2018, 6:16 PM

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you can choose it.

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once you completed it

calm grail Sep 16, 2018, 6:16 PM

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I guess you have to think of it like this, 2% boss damage for one player or substantially more AOE.

daring imp Sep 16, 2018, 6:18 PM

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it's down to personal preference at this point

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barely enough people doing 10's to notice some difference

calm grail Sep 16, 2018, 6:18 PM

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Well technically everything is. One's gonna be better though.

nova gorge Sep 16, 2018, 6:19 PM

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300 dps loss taking CT over PB on the bosses... I'll run CT I think

daring imp Sep 16, 2018, 6:19 PM

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do you trust your teamates enough to make the boss last longer?

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i know 90% of the pugs i go, i don't

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plus tanks don't have balls to pull the infested mob with its whole pack

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they jsut say "oh no cc infested and let's bring the pack way back to kill it before killing the infested mob"

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wtf just agro the pack kill infested and keep dps'ing everything else

worthy tundra Sep 16, 2018, 6:22 PM

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is snapshotting still in the game at all

silver egret Sep 16, 2018, 6:25 PM

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!wa

prisma monolithBOT Sep 16, 2018, 6:25 PM

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Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

fiery oxide Sep 16, 2018, 6:30 PM

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@terse pawn which region/faction?

round harbor Sep 16, 2018, 6:34 PM

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@daring imp the dmg from CT will save you more time overall in the dungeon than PB

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If a boss lasts 2 seconds longer is irrelevant

summer yoke Sep 16, 2018, 6:35 PM

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https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/k6jSTsPhkCBggS1dRGkLJ

Raidbots

Quick Sim - Djpayne - 12,820 DPS - Raidbots

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seem low for 357?

void pecan Sep 16, 2018, 6:36 PM

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a little yeah

strange python Sep 16, 2018, 6:36 PM

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you have no enchants?

void pecan Sep 16, 2018, 6:36 PM

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also that trinket is god awful

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galecallers at 325 beats it.

gentle belfry Sep 16, 2018, 6:38 PM

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Guys can one of you share a macro that switches between exsanguinate and crimson tempest

terse pawn Sep 16, 2018, 6:39 PM

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@fiery oxide i'm US alliance

unique axle Sep 16, 2018, 6:40 PM

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/castsequence exsanguinate, crimson tempest

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Kappa

terse pawn Sep 16, 2018, 6:40 PM

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got a useless 340 vers mastery axe out of that shit haha

gentle belfry Sep 16, 2018, 6:40 PM

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sigh

spice surge Sep 16, 2018, 6:41 PM

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What do you mean switches between exsang and CT

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they're two different abilities on two different rows

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Perhaps you mean exsang and tb?

gentle belfry Sep 16, 2018, 6:42 PM

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Nope just a macro that changes depending on which one of them is chosen, as they are never both picked at the sam e time

spice surge Sep 16, 2018, 6:43 PM

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?

gentle belfry Sep 16, 2018, 6:43 PM

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Or activated whichever one is available, I guess

spice surge Sep 16, 2018, 6:43 PM

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Yes they are

summer yoke Sep 16, 2018, 6:43 PM

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@void pecan galecallers is simming like 30 dps higher. so it isnt god awful lol

void pecan Sep 16, 2018, 6:43 PM

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I have a 395 with a socket that sims lower than my 355 GC..

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¯_(ツ)_/¯