#assassination

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civic palm
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Follow the Cleave section in the guide.

radiant atlas
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Cleave

Crimson Tempest, if the dot has less than 2 seconds remaining
Garrote, if the target will live long enough
Rupture, if the target will live long enough
Envenom, the priority target

civic palm
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If you have 1+Shrouded Suffocation Garrote 3 targets, or 1 target twice and the other once if there are only 2 targets.

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!ss

prisma monolithBOT
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Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

civic palm
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If you are running CT maintain on 2 targets, replace ENV with CT on 3+ targets.

radiant atlas
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ok, I need to be CTing more then

hushed pulsar
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i run PB, it procs enough that CT feels like a CP waste

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unless sanguine

radiant atlas
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I just copied the talent builds of the top 10 on raider.io, lol

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2212233

vocal dock
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is it impossible to find a group for +8 or higher in the in game dungeon finder as a rogue or is it just m e

fiery lintel
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just you

vocal dock
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been trying to get into anything 8 and above for an hour and zilch

azure crescent
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rogues and mages are the most wanted dps for m+

safe matrix
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I don't have issues at all

compact socket
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There’s plenty of people over 960 and 700 it score so if you’re well under those markers maybe that’s why.

safe matrix
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it depends on your io score/ilvl

compact socket
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Io score rather

vocal dock
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400 io/362ilevel

compact socket
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Might be io score then

radiant atlas
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is there an article I can read on how io score works?

azure crescent
vocal dock
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which is annoying because only way to get it up is do higher keys lol

hushed pulsar
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i'm sitting at 800+ io score atm and it's still a little bit of a pain to find a group

compact socket
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Do your own keys

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Or run with guildies

vocal dock
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ya trying of course, guild mostly just raids though

compact socket
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Spamming last spot fill pug life is good only when you’re top tier scores

vocal dock
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if only raider io took into account raid progression too

compact socket
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Perhaps that would be nice, but for the sake of M+ performance I sure wouldn’t trust it as a stand-alone.

alpine pilot
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should u be using Fan of knives on 2 target for cp gen?

terse pawn
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really? I have barely sub-400 io score and i get invited to +8s no problem

compact socket
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Pretty sure it’s 3+ but check the guide

terse pawn
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and that's at 355 ilevel

vocal dock
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maybe its just me? lol i dunno, im 362 ilevel 8/8 heroic and around 400 and cant tn for life of me

terse pawn
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i just came off a +7 freehold pub, for that matter

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not that it went particularly well

compact socket
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Maybe everyone switched to PvP catch-up as many of us are just learning that the only way to improve our chances of getting decent Azeroth shoulders or helm is via PvP weekly cache.

terse pawn
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the conquest chest is pretty good

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i'm still mad that swapping to sin dropped me by 5 ilevels

civic forge
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same but 4 for me

sturdy python
fresh abyss
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343 ilvl, just switched to sin from outlaw

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why do i feel so energy starved

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in pvp mostly?

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any obvious things i might be missing?

terse pawn
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how much haste do you have

fresh abyss
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14.65

terse pawn
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dunno

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sometimes if people cleanse my poisons off in pvp it kinda sucks

fresh abyss
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but i literally feel like

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even if i've got my 2 opponents fully dotted up

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i'm just constantly on super low energy

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unless i continually pool

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have taken vigor to try n help

frozen dome
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Quick qay to get a 345+ ilvl dagger? I heard some quest or something gives one. Also is deadly nav and quick nav still best for weap enchants?

mighty arrow
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CT or PB for m+?

night cypress
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depends on your parties aoe

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its a tyranical week so maybe pb for the st

novel lake
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!stats

prisma monolithBOT
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Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > mastery > vers >= haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.

novel lake
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is the rotation with exsanguinate and shrouded suffocation on the guide up to date ?

quick ice
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yeah should be

civic palm
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It is.

novel lake
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thx, what fight style do you sim for m+ ^^ ? patchwerk 3bosses?

ruby idol
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You feelycraft

crisp lava
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hmmmm

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heed vs overwhelming...

civic palm
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You sim 4-5T @ 40 seconds.

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or so.

terse pawn
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i take overwhelming because heed keeps breaking my cc

solemn knot
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Replace 1 (of my 3) SS with Laser Matrix or keep the 3 SS.

civic palm
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O _O simself O _O

solemn knot
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Numbers dont look that different i just wanted some outside opinion

sacred seal
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Simulation is considering the +stat in uldir?

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From matrix

still hare
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You can replace since your laser matrix should give you more agi

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laser matrix piece*

solemn knot
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both are 355

wary chasm
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not to mention reorigination array eventually

solemn knot
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And Idk Xavi, the sim is higher with laser matrix so I'd assume it's working

civic palm
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Should be listed in your buffs somewhere I imagine.

still hare
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You do want one piece at least with reorigination array buff up

wild gyro
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1xLM 2xSS imo

civic palm
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1 LM, not Archive it's pretty poop.

solemn knot
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thanks guys I appreciate the input

stark garnet
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Hey guys, does it matter which weapon an enchant is on (MH vs OH)? If i have haste and crit, does it matter which dagger has which enchant?

slender sandal
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Nope

civic palm
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Put the more expensive one on the dagger you will replace last.

stark garnet
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nice, ty - saves me gold for something so silly

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got it thanks

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just hit that situation where i needed to move my main hand to my offhand because of an upgrade and didnt want to have to re-enchant both weapons

gleaming condor
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do we have a in game community

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for rogues

umbral plaza
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how do you sim for aoe?

prime stirrup
edgy wharf
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SS dmg stack?

prime stirrup
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2x

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both 340 😦

edgy wharf
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!stats

prisma monolithBOT
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Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > mastery > vers >= haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.

edgy wharf
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Anyone know that SS dmg stacks?

safe matrix
civic palm
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YeahButIMeanWhatArePinsEven

dense blaze
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How do you properly use exsanguinate in M+?

edgy wharf
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@safe matrix Thanks then. So dmg stack. ❤

kindred forge
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Use it on priority mob with full buffs applied

zenith cedar
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^^^

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Just use it on opener on CD

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If 3+ targets, open with three garrotes on three different targets

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choose one, put up a 5 pt rupture and exang

ember fable
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Hey guys, any addon that shows when i can safely apply a buffed garrote? I feel im overlaping unbuffed garrote bcuz of my latency

kindred forge
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Mizerok's WA group in the pins have tracker for that

ember fable
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Ty

terse pawn
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can i use a fist weapon

tame cobalt
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
midnight belfry
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is it more important to maximize time on envenoms buff or to squeeze out an extra envenom during EP buff?

wary anchor
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!opener

bronze kelp
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can dead eye spyglass procc in aoe ?

safe matrix
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@wary anchor thats in the guide

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at the top of the window, or in the pins 😄

warm geode
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!ss

prisma monolithBOT
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Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

wary anchor
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Is garrote mut rupture best with shrouded or garrote rup garote?

safe matrix
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garrote rup garrote typically

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because then you get the extra time on the buffed garrote, which hits like a truck

meager quarry
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
pearl steppe
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what's the rotation for trash mobs

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the ones who won't live too long thru a rupture or garrote

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just MT and ENV ad infinitum?

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or Fan + CT if there's multiples?

harsh raven
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What is the consensus here regarding Vendetta-powered vanish-garrote a bit into our rotation? How long can one hold vendetta to time it with vanish?

civic palm
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They're both 2min CDs...

pearl steppe
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yeah

proven ice
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Wether you hold vendetta or not for vanish depends on how long the boss will live and when your guild lusts

pearl steppe
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I wait until the subterfuge boosted garrote is dropped

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then i vanish and redo the GRG/GGR

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with vendetta

tame cobalt
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You hold vendeta for vanish

harsh raven
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but vendetta is already used in the opener, right?

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they don't line up very well for me after that

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so we're speaking of holding it for a pretty long time

high wadi
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is there a youtube channel with rogue pov videos for every uldir hc/myth boss?

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as far as myth progress is atm

tame cobalt
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Afaik you hold second vendeta and then they always line up

harsh raven
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ok, just did a run on the dummy. I'll have to hold second Vendetta for 22 seconds before second Vanish is off CD

fathom cosmos
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so it's worth holding vandetta to line up with vanishes? And what's the rotation like once they line up? Vandetta Vanish GRG ?

proven ice
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Vanish gar venetta is fine

harsh raven
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we do double garrote after vanish I guess?

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pandemic and so on?

proven ice
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no, just one is fine

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If your already have garrote up, you're pandemicing the first one

harsh raven
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right

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but holding Vendetta for 20+ seconds is ok then?

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to line it up with vanish

proven ice
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Yea

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Unless the boss dies in that 20 second window

harsh raven
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true

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thanx man

viral juniper
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hey guys, just wanted to ask on a +10 freehold, whats your overall dps as assa? I am around 12-13k is that okay?

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gs 359

rustic acorn
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depends on a lot of things

safe matrix
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depends on how people pull

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whether or not you timed it

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by how much

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etc

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comp aswell

viral juniper
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yeah just want some numbers to go with, i dont know if i can do a lot more dmg or it is okay, it so frustrating haha

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like what do you have in m+ just some examples

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like, if you go with 15k+ on same gs i know damn son i have to improve

safe matrix
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12-13k seems good

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but there is a lot of variance so its hard to say

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aslong as you time the keys and feel good about yourself 🤷

proven ice
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DPS isn't as important as getting the dungeon done

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If you have to kidney, or shadowstep kick, or vanish to silence casters to bring them into the pack- those are dps losses.

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I wouldn't worry about the number

viral juniper
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okay thanks guys, appreciate it!

strange python
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any pov of high keys assassination rogues?

tardy yoke
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Musclebrah plays high key assa and streams

proven ice
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Here's a decent 12

steep crater
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Someone should uodate the ravenholdt rotation guide

inland path
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assassination is so fun so glad they nerfed su---zzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZzZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

steep crater
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Says to garrote twice without the bleedout talent which makes no sense

inland path
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i love having to open with 3 mobs with this super fun combo for M+ garrote... tab... garrote.. tab... garrote.... shoot myself in the head

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so much skill...zZZZ

proper igloo
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Is it that bad?

tame cobalt
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If you dont like it dont playit

inland path
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i dont

proper igloo
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I just hit 120 deciding what spec to play

crisp lava
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go back to sub channel 😛

inland path
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it has 30 apm

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101 seconds of a 5 min boss fight spent waiting

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😎 fun

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dw guys we are just pooling hEHEHE

proper igloo
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As long as my name at the top of the meters.

inland path
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its more skilled if we call it pooling

tame cobalt
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Why be cunt about other specs lol

inland path
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btw that rogue someone linked is trash

wise whale
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someone mentioned a website where you can see where to find all the pieces with ss

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can someone link me the website?

proven ice
wise whale
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thx

proper igloo
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Is there an accurate guide for assassin currently.

inland path
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pins

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what more do u wanna know m8

proper igloo
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How do I check pins on my phone.

inland path
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ill just link u the site

solid nova
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3 little dots top right

inland path
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hf joining the ranks of the most boring spec in the game

proper igloo
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Isn't someone just type that the need to update the ravenholdt guide.

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Didn't.

inland path
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what do u wanna know?

vestal venture
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why are you such a bitch about other specs? @inland path

proper igloo
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I'll read the guide. Don't wanna waste ur time.

solid nova
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That person didn't read the guide properly @proper igloo

steep crater
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Thanks Richard

inland path
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why am i a bitch for stating facts? i just helped that guy didnt i

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stop trying to bait me into arguing pls ty

vestal venture
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stating facts =/= stating opinions

inland path
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but it does have the lowest apm and highest "pooling" time of every spec

crisp lava
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who cares

inland path
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???

crisp lava
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boring or fun is subjective

inland path
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its a fact

fresh bough
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Yikes

inland path
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i wasnt trying to be mean

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just stating facts like i said

vestal venture
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yeah but why do you need to come and say it to assa channel lmao

inland path
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now you say who cares

vestal venture
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people know the spec they play

fresh bough
inland path
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stop bullying me bro

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im just a fact hunter

crisp lava
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go play a high apm and less pooling class

inland path
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wow

fluid salmon
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Saying ‘most boring’ is not a fact tho

inland path
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now ure telling me to reroll

crisp lava
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Sounds like you want to anyways

inland path
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can u calm down mr asssassination rogue?

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stop this cyber bullying

solid nova
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.....

rustic acorn
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"don't bait me into arguing" sounds to me like it's your only purpose atm

solid nova
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Knock it off.

steep crater
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Took me 5 minutes to decide to quit this server, thanks ballofire

inland path
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😦

high wadi
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whats the addon called for the paltes, musclebrah is using

serene nacelle
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Looks like Threat Plates

high wadi
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ty dude ill check them out. mine suck 😦

crisp lava
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plater is a great nameplate addon

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try it out

proper igloo
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how would you guys recommend i gear up a fresh 120

odd pumice
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Hi just a Quick question IS there a reason for Every players to pick Assa over sub in mm+?

vestal venture
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Somebody who has customized his UI a bit more, mind sending me screenshots? Looking for inspiration to redo my UI

safe matrix
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
safe matrix
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might give some ideas

next creek
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!stats

prisma monolithBOT
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Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > mastery > vers >= haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.

outer pivot
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
sudden lake
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!talents

ebon garden
strong dome
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!ss

prisma monolithBOT
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Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

stable oxide
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!guide

prisma monolithBOT
proper igloo
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does my offhand have to be a dagger for assassin

strong dome
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yes

proper igloo
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ty

little frigate
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!trinkets

strange python
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why is my dps so shit

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thought I had rly good gear

eternal geyser
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3 x ss with crimson tempest, opening on ~5-6 mobs from stealth, after applying 3 garrotes, after applying crimson tempest, how many ruptures should I try to get off before envenoming priority target?

strange python
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cause there are guys with like 360 and 15k

kindred forge
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How many SS traits you have?

strange python
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2

eternal geyser
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3

strange python
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why ar eyou using 3?

viral juniper
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best ST push, but you can go 2ss 1 laser for raid its strong too

strange python
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yeah I have 2ss 1 laser

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but also use it for dungeons

viral juniper
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sure laser is good

strange python
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can I see somewhere what the rotation of raidbots sim would be?

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like what the dude casts

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the simulation

safe matrix
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Yeah

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go tot he report

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click on the right "full html report"

little frigate
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does anyone know of a trinket sim list?

strange python
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ok

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bloodmallet

safe matrix
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go down to "action priority list"

strange python
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ok

safe matrix
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then "sample sequence table"

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and thats the rotato

strange python
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ok

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well seems simple and what I do

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but I never have 14k dps in 5 min fight

prime void
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look at your logs

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analyze them

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figure out what your mistakes are and fix them

safe matrix
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the sim is fully buffed and playing 5 minutes perfectly with no downtime

prime void
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Or hit a dummy till you feel you're doing everything as you should

strange python
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how do I see my logs I never did that?

safe matrix
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its what everyone uses to track stuff in raid, you might have some logs from other people

strange python
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ok

safe matrix
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if not its super easy to get them

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they have a guide on how to get started and upload your own, you can even do it on target dummies and stuff

lapis solar
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Do I need a certain amount of haste, or SS traits before sin is competitive with sub?

kindred forge
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Sin is competitive even without that

spring prawn
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20 hours of shrine

novel lake
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!stats

prisma monolithBOT
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Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > mastery > vers >= haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.

spring prawn
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not a single galecaller

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feelsgoodman

safe matrix
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My galecallers doesnt beat out my socketed dice/spyglass

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sad

vestal wren
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sockets have quite a good value atm

limber dew
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my 345 GCB doenst out sim my laoded dice 355

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which is suprising..

vestal wren
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galecaller loses value if you cant stay within range

unique scaffold
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is there a trinket list?

vestal wren
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!sims

prisma monolithBOT
vestal wren
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both sites have lists

unique scaffold
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ty sir

zinc skiff
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do you want 3x SS or just 1

kindred forge
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2+

white seal
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Toxic Blade or Exsang?

proven ice
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yes

proper igloo
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sp ideally i want 3 shrouded suffocation?

proven ice
coral wolf
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Yo sorry i think i am just dumb where can i find the bis trinket list?

proven ice
coral wolf
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thank you sir

severe niche
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its looks like rank 1 in that picture didnt have 3 ss

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cant be that op

sleek osprey
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gives 1k haste on a 1m cd for 10s.

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it's pretty good.

safe matrix
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For uldir you want 2+

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because the uldir traits give a stat buff while in the instance

torpid sluice
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Mut requires 2 daggers right? If so, yea.

sleek osprey
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It does.

safe matrix
limber dew
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@severe niche its all relative to GS etc :P, if you had 370 pieces or 385 with SS, they would outweigh the matrix?

torpid sluice
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I either replied to an old question that was 1st in my chatbox or I'm losing stuff 😮

severe niche
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that was more of a humble brag

torpid sluice
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Was it deleted or did I really anwser an old question :p

severe niche
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cuz im rank 1

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but prob

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as the weeks go on

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lazer matrix/ archive

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gain even more value

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in raid that is ofc

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no trait will beat 750 secondary stat

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8 weeks from now

proven ice
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Does reorigonation array stack?

zenith cedar
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no

proven ice
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In multiple slots?

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ah

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Laser / ss / ss is probably BiS then

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SS SS SS being BiS for m_

safe matrix
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laser is really good for prog though

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the heal helps out a bit

zenith cedar
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x2 SS x3 overwhelming power better than x3 SS I think

safe matrix
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also since you can get the pieces at a decent ilvl

zenith cedar
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THird overwhelming power is like 500 dps

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Stacks really well

severe niche
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pray for azerite in your mythic cache bois

zenith cedar
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I have 385 sharpened blades helm

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its kinda dope

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i like the trait

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you can fill globals during movement and get more 5 point finishers using the poisoned knife stacks to squeeze more damage out of the trait than APL probably optimizes for

severe niche
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i mean

proven ice
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Movement would decrease the value of sharpened blades

severe niche
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an apl doesnt account encounter specific scenarios

zenith cedar
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If youre stuck with the trait, you make the most of it

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Yes, less autos reduces the value

proven ice
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What's the generic trait?

zenith cedar
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Poisoned Wire and uh

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something not good

proven ice
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😦

zenith cedar
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Blades is worth more damage than accounted for in sims, imo

proven ice
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Into the scrapper it goes

zenith cedar
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its 285

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385

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and sims higher than any 355 piece lol

proven ice
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Yeah

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I just really don't like sharpened blades

astral sundial
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but is total shit on more then 1 target

zenith cedar
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overwhelming power and blades at 385 is still good

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Sure

astral sundial
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not a single fight yet that have only 1 target

zenith cedar
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Its clearly a single target trait

proven ice
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What is?

zenith cedar
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Thanks genius

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Sharpened Blades

proven ice
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well yeah.

onyx wind
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sharpeened blades is a fine trait

astral sundial
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ye, but SS is clearly a single target trait - this is also insane on cleave

zenith cedar
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Nobody is saying SB > SS lol

astral sundial
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I know, I ment that the sim showing it higher then your 355

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accounts only for single target, and there is no such fight atm

zenith cedar
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The sim doesnt even account for the amount of damage you can get from SB

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Pretty sure APL just uses it on Cd at 30 stacks

astral sundial
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at least on the sub APL, it's smarter then that

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iirc for sin it's 40 stacks

zenith cedar
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no its not

onyx wind
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it stacks up to 30 stacks

proven ice
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How does the sim mis-use SB?

onyx wind
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I use it right as my opening vendetta runs out

zenith cedar
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^

onyx wind
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And then after that, when EP is up, and im at 28-30 stacks

zenith cedar
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It hits, really hard

onyx wind
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or a bit before if i need 5cp

zenith cedar
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I think its great for m+ too

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I one shot infested things with it

onyx wind
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Not bad for killing infested yee

safe matrix
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if you guys compose your idea into a well written post maybe put it in #tc-research

proven ice
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ghuun spawns are almost trivial to kill

safe matrix
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it could be worth looking into

astral sundial
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you one shot it with only 1 trait stack?

proven ice
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you're probably overkiling them by like 3x

onyx wind
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Lol

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what

zenith cedar
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I think I'm doing just fine in m+ dude

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lol

onyx wind
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Agreed

proven ice
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Doesn't your dagger hit for like 30k?

onyx wind
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15k

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crit 30k

candid jasper
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Has sin pulled ahead of the other specs now?

zenith cedar
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"overkill"

proven ice
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Sb is a pretty terrible m+ trait

zenith cedar
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as if switching off and mutilating it

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is better

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as if it doesnt have to die instantly and a one shot is quick, convnient, and prevents any chance of spread

onyx wind
#

Its not a terrible trait

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Ive found many uses for it

astral sundial
#

I am just shuddering of the thought of finding a legit keybind for it 😦

proven ice
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you don't have poison knife bound/

zenith cedar
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lol what

onyx wind
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hjahahah

zenith cedar
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do u even pvp

proven ice
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how do you pull mobs

astral sundial
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I don't, and I have it bound on a bad key is all

zenith cedar
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why wouldnt you have an ability keybound

severe niche
#

tfw i have every possible spell keybound in my spell book and still missing binds that i use to use cuz spellbook pruning

zenith cedar
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theres like barely any abilities now a days

severe niche
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^

zenith cedar
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i even dropped 5 and shift 5 because i just dont need those anymore

severe niche
#

thats like saying you dont have distract on a keybind

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smh

astral sundial
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could be, I still didn't touch sin much so didn't set my UI, only been sub so far

proven ice
#

sin does have more buttons than sub/outlaw

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at least if you bind ss and backstab together

zenith cedar
#

you can macro a bunch of shit together as sub

proven ice
#

they actually take mfd too

zenith cedar
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I mean jeeze, if people think they have too many abilities now, can you imagine them playing Dragon soul sub

dull tusk
#

!ss

prisma monolithBOT
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Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

zenith cedar
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Socketed 370 harlans dice vs Darkmoons?

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Dice raidbots is ~150 higher

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All the top parses have a darkmoon though

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I have 370 galecallers in other slot

proven ice
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Esang?

zenith cedar
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Yee

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I like the stats for the opening burst

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where as darkmoon gives that consistent dmg

proven ice
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Maybe you finally replaced darkmoon

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grats

zenith cedar
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socket is strong

coral prism
#

is sin still worth playing compared to sub if you dont have any garrote traits?

astral sundial
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sim it?

zenith cedar
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yeah its probably about equal

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i would think

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its easy to get SS trait

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get 1k conquest and u have 355 SS

astral sundial
#

for me sin simmed worse untill I got my third SS

coral prism
#

kk

zenith cedar
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yeah if u have like x3 BIS trait for sub '

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Its going to be harder to switch

coral prism
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aight, ty

frigid quartz
#

Quick question, do you let elaborate planning run out or try to refresh it at sub 1 sec?

zenith cedar
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During Exang I try to keep it up 100% uptime

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Otherwise I focus on envenom up time and I try to get x2 mutilates inside elaborate planning

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If I have high energy, like during lust, I will switch to keeping up eleborate planning

frigid quartz
#

I see, thx

zenith cedar
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key is to always x2 mutilate inside elaborate planning

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so you pool energy

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before finishers

strange python
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on my second vendetta do i hold onto it for 20 secs to line up with my nanish

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vanish

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or just use it

zenith cedar
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yes

strange python
#

k

proven ice
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hold it

zenith cedar
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I hold my 2nd Exsang for Galecaller

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Who else?

strange python
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how long do you wait

zenith cedar
#

Althought I find the timing of the dots lines up for a clean full pandemic (no clipping) exsang if you didnt wait

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Its like 10 seconds

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so i setup full pandemic i nthat time

strange python
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ill try that

zenith cedar
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and then galecallers and exsang

strange python
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nah i tried it

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that timing is bad

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it scuffs the exsan + 2nd vendetta timing

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maybe i just wasnt smooth enough

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woah.. sin sims really strong.. my dagger is 20 ilvls lower then my mace and outlaw is only 500 dps higher with 15ilvls more on shoulders

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and I only have 2 x shrouded suffoction

proven ice
#

How much haste is galecallers 370?

limber wind
#

Hey, how do you guys sim dungeons?

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I use patchwerk, 4 bosses, 1 minute atm, dno if it's right

odd sluice
#

370 galecallers is 1239 Haste

proven ice
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so 18%?

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dang

odd sluice
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18,23% ~~ yeah

proven ice
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I think that's worth holding esang for.

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also guarantees vendetta line ups

safe matrix
#

Unfortunately there's no real perfect way to simulate dungeons, you're not going to have every ability for every pull, each pull is completely different, mobs last different amounts of times, etc. Unfortunately you have to observe what other players do, make a few ST/AoE sims, and use your head to think about how it relates to the dungeon.

warm cove
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@strange python i sim 3-400 higher as assasination with 330 daggers than outlaw with 345 weps

night cypress
#

speaking of sims, do we know why construct overcharger is so shit?

strange python
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@warm cove are you using shrouded suffoction? how many?

warm cove
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2 ss traits

strange python
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same ok ty

warm cove
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Proc rate? actual haste gain? idk man but galecallers is way better according to my sims, even when its 340 and overcharger 370

night cypress
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ye thats why i'm asking, i've got a 370 and i'm just somehow hoping its secretly good

warm cove
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it's not

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but it seems that all uldir trinkets are pretty garbage compared to the ones u can get from m+

twin hatch
#

what i have to do in subt window?

zenith cedar
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I didnt find that it messes up any timings @strange python

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Overcharger is one of the worst trinkets for Sin atm

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DMC > ilvl 400 overcharger

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Dont ever expect to replace Galecallers, it's OP, just go get a 370 one and fall in love with it

strange python
#

what makes it so bad btw

zenith cedar
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I think its just horribly tuned

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Way undertuned

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basically

strange python
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k

zenith cedar
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Chance it gets buffed so i wouldnt scrap it

strange python
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just doesn't give enough haste per stack

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or something

zenith cedar
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It just doesnt give enough DPS per ilvl lmao

strange python
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ye

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fair enough

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i got that shit in my cache

zenith cedar
#

oof

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i got an op ring

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haste mastery 375 socket

strange python
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god damn

zenith cedar
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I sim at 15.4

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5 min

brittle wind
#

when u guys do ur opener do u exsanguinate after vendetta or before

zenith cedar
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after

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garrote rupture garrote mut rupture vendetta galecallers/onuse then exsang

arctic venture
#

exsang is running better than TB?

dusky fulcrum
viscid pawn
#

when will be the alliance world boss up?

solid citrus
#

So is it worth running one piece of uldir azerite over a ss trait?

gritty merlin
#

Why 2 garote and 2 rupture ? 🤔

vestal venture
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
vocal wave
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Is MAster Poisoiner ever a good option?

warm cove
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is there a difference between g > r > g > v > mut > r > exang and g > r > g > mut > r > v > exang?

desert pelican
#

U just use u vendetta and rupture after it, pointless

glad peak
#

Can your dots crit ?

desert pelican
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Can u try using one dot and look at it?

glad peak
#

Guess i can

desert pelican
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👌

slender pewter
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Is there ever a reason to use CT over Env on a single target?

peak sapphire
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No

slender pewter
#

I'm finding trash AOE very difficult, specially with CT build

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I just can't do good enough dmg :/

regal galleon
#

How should I use exsanguinate? Always after refreshed garrote and rupture, or just a rupture?

vocal kelp
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refresh at pandemic then exsang

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preferably with vanish garrote aswell

regal galleon
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ah ty. so if vanish is ready. Vanish -> Garrote -> Rupture -> Exsan I would assume

slender pewter
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Don't you do double garrote if you have SS?

merry elbow
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im pretty sure you want 5 cp rupture before exang

winter plover
#

hello guys, is there any haste and crit cap?

vocal kelp
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no @winter plover

winter plover
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so i should pump it as much as i can?

vocal kelp
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sim ur self

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for weights

cobalt bobcat
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How do you guys handle the situation in m+ when you end up with ~5cps going into a fresh pack? Is it better to 3x garrote or 1x rupture and 2x garrote? I think the latter should be the way to go so you don't waste so much cps?

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so many*

spring lantern
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Garrote out if stealth >>> Rupture for damage

twin hatch
#

hi guys what i supposed to do in subterfuge windows?

spring lantern
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Spread Garrote mostly

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Obviously don't Garrote three times on ST since you'll just waste a cast

twin hatch
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in single target i mean

spring lantern
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Put a max duration garrote on the target in subterfuge

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So if your Garrote is runninng out you garrote twice and Envenom/Rupture inbetween

mortal merlin
#

Do i delay my 2nd Vendetta to be on par with vanish?

strange python
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Preferably, yes

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Shouldn't be too long a delay if you run Exsanguinate

mortal merlin
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Alright, thank you

glass cairn
#

DS or Vigor ?

willow prairie
#

Hey guys, was wondering how and when to pool energy as an assassin, i get that beofre add spawn or huge burst window i should pool, but when there is nothing like that, just damaging the boss, why do i want to pool exactly ?

inner pecan
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Pool to keep envenom uptime as high as possible

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Or EP uptime during burst

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During your burst you want to try to have as close to 100% EP uptime as possible while clipping your Envenoms to the end of EP

willow prairie
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ty

spring prawn
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21hours of shrin update: some fuck just got a 395 galecaller and im gonna hang myself

daring imp
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395? holy fuck

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that's what, 1600 haste??

viral juniper
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1400 i think

daring imp
#

dayum

rugged snow
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which tab shows all class discord

tame cobalt
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You go through them and see

mental fiber
#

rules and guides

spiral snow
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is it ok to do like 2-3 combo points envenoms just to keep the uptime?

cobalt kindle
#

!ss

prisma monolithBOT
#

Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

onyx wind
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@spiral snow during buffed garrote, yes

nimble gulch
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what is better heed my call or overwelming power ??

distant viper
#

I am having problem with Assasin Energy Regen any sugguestions?

nimble gulch
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get more haste 😄

distant viper
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k how much should I have?

nimble gulch
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16% or more is perfect

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im at like 14% and i have 0 problems

inner pecan
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there's no magic %

distant viper
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mines is 13%

inner pecan
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don't throw 16 or 14% out there it's arbritrary

round ledge
#

Any idea why this macro isn't working;

#showtooltip
/cast [stance:0/1] Vendetta
/cast [stance:0] Doom's Wake

inner pecan
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just sim yourself

urban storm
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18% and haste is still best stat for me

lone junco
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assassin is slow. you just put up bleeds. do your vendetta rotation and wait

urban storm
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so.......

round ledge
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doom's wake doesn't get cast

nimble oar
#

how much haste is good ?

urban storm
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all the haste

lone junco
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if you dont like the speed, play something else.

urban storm
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more haste

nimble oar
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gotcha

inner pecan
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However much haste you sim highest with is best haste

distant viper
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gotcha

compact bolt
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So i simmed, changed gems/chants to haste(per sim) and haste went up in value... that normal for ass?

urban storm
#

yes

compact bolt
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Wow that's cool.

inner pecan
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Haste values will fluctuate but on single target it's pretty consistently your best stat

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Doesn't really drop off

compact bolt
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Simming higher with 330/345 daggers than outlawl rocking 355/345 so wanted to try it and it's so much more consistent lol

lone junco
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thats because SS gens cheap cps. and Exang snapshots hasate

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when they balance traits, we will probably need to adjust

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there is probably a high crit st meta available, that doesnt use SS.

inner pecan
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yet haste was still sin's best stat on the prepatch without SS

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sounds to me like you're just feelycrafting things

lone junco
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sounds to me like you have your head stuck in stat weights.

inner pecan
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rofl

lone junco
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when you have a certain stat distribution, there will only be a certain result.

distant viper
#

Is there anyone that can assist me with my toon

lone junco
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great example is anyone in legion with high mastery, would only yield MORE MASTERY.

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but once you slid to high crit ep, stuff changed a lot.

inner pecan
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yikes

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so defensive so quickly

proven pumice
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Noobe, I really tried using your advice on the Exang rotation in my raid last night. It was so hard for me to pull off, lol

distant viper
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grats

lone junco
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@proven pumice its awkard tbh.

proven pumice
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The opener is easy

lone junco
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yeah same

proven pumice
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But trying to cycle CDs after? Meh

lone junco
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this is the best log.

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short murder

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@fast nacelle nice fetid. lol at 1:50

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open and done.

indigo verge
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
lone junco
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22k dps. oy

distant viper
#

wow nice

lone junco
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they didnt even get to the midblock vanish

distant viper
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So what is the Rot

fast nacelle
lone junco
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zul is actually a long run

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looks like tb/exang is split. but ss is god as usual

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ok these logs are from another planet

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look at zul

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g g g rupture vanish g g

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heres what happens when we make it past the 220 mark tho

quick chasm
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i read a comment somewhere saying if you do 4th garrotes after the 3 subterfuge ones, you lose shroud suffocation on all of your garrottes, can anyone confirm?

lone junco
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yes

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dont do 4 garrotes.

inner pecan
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only non-empowered garrotes

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you can vanish and apply 6 empowered

lone junco
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if you do the 4th, your tick rate will drop from 15k to 2k on all previous targets.

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its dumb. but even if it were fixed, that 4th garrote isnt worth much.

quick chasm
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ah cheers

lone junco
proven pumice
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My group has two rogues. I run Exang and he runs TB. He beat me on our pulls last night.

lone junco
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do you have a log that you thought you did well at?

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but the numbers sucked

inner pecan
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TB is a lot easier to pull off

quick chasm
#

i always try to get cp so you can vanish garotte rup/env garotte on ST

inner pecan
#

And on anything that isn't pure burst both specs are pretty comparable

quick chasm
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if you want to min-max

proven pumice
#

I can DM you the logs from last night.

lone junco
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My top 2 mistakes

  1. garrote vanish fuck...
  2. drop GC as boss moves away.
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just post here if you want someone to look

proven pumice
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Only two kills for you to look at

lone junco
#

mythrax is pretty wonky tbh

proven pumice
#

Actually just 1

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Yeah during the pulls I found CDs coming up but the boss would transition soon, or I was so busy trying to figure out where the beam was going I got sidetracked or also I just stink, lmao

main blaze
#

You garrote and rupture uptime was less than his. Your ilvl is also lower

inner pecan
#

Does Exsg. actually sim higher for you on ST or TB does?

slender pewter
#

Exsg sims higher for me

inner pecan
#

If you're newer to the spec I would just suggest playing TB to get used to the spec's other mechanics and then once you have those down move on to learning Exsg

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but that's just my opinion

main blaze
#

Your EP uptime is also lower than his

proven pumice
#

I struggled a lot trying to figure out how to keep EP up tbh

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I never seem to have enough energy

inner pecan
#

I mean there's a 35 second window where you didn't hit anything at all

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Is there nothing to hit on normal for that long?

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Can't remember at all tbh

main blaze
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You dont have enough energy because you are letting rupture and garrote fall off

modest zodiac
#

does subterfurge proc ss?

main blaze
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He generated 500 more energy than you

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Subterfuge extends stealth, so yes you still are casting SS'd garrotes during subterfuge

lone junco
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this is a normal log view. looking at the garrotes after vanish. and vanish exang timings. this fight has a lot of phases that suck.

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if you have something purely single target, it will be easier to see if your fingers are messing up, or the boss timings got you

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tldr, it is a long shitty fight and you didtn nail your 220 alignment

proven pumice
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This was the first night going ass

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Next week I can get you with a ST log, though

main blaze
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Big things for Assn right now are get your opener and 2m20s CDs lined up properly and dont let your dots fall off.

proven pumice
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Alright

main blaze
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Rupture and Garrote + deadly poison = energy to do stuff

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so if they fall off you dont have energy

proven pumice
#

What do you tend to do when there's a boss that can screw up your CD usage?

main blaze
#

Also mythrax has p2 where you can multidot and have really high energy generation and it lines up with 2m20s where you can garrote three targets with SS garrotes

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On mythrax you just use it as it comes up

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It shouldnt screw up your timings

proven pumice
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Like if we're on p1 and I could vanish, but he's nearly 66% hp

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Do I do it? Or save it

main blaze
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If you cant get a full vendetta off then save it for the big add next phase

proven pumice
#

Just to make sure I have it right...

So after the opener, when the empowered garrotes fall off, you just vanish and empower your garrotes again. At that point you'll have Vendetta come off CD like 15ish seconds before Vanish so you wait on Vanish, and then you use then together?

round ledge
#

@subtle kiln tried swapping them, still never procs trinket

main blaze
#

yes

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That is the rotation with SS traits

round ledge
#

#showtooltip
/cast [stance:0/1] Vendetta
/cast [stance:0] Doom's Wake

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anyone else know why this isn't working?

proven pumice
#

Alright, well at least I have that down

round ledge
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doom's wake never gets cast

proven pumice
#

Just gotta figure out how to put it into practice

calm grail
#

You're holding 3rd exsang for like 15 seconds or so for that 220 lineup right?

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Also, you use vanish and treat that like your normal opener right? G R G Vendetta Muti Rupture Exsang

alpine garden
#

Trinkets arent cast afaik

#

I use /use for my galecaster's and it works

calm grail
#

Ohh yeah assuming you have GCs you'd put it in there before Exsanguinate

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I forgot to include that.

main blaze
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/use 13 or /use 14

alpine garden
#

Is not using two trinkets in one macro still a thing?

calm grail
#

For your non vanish non vendetta exsang there in the middle (and in general) do you still try to put rupture at pandemic duration and Garrote too? Then pop it?

lone junco
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@proven pumice tbh. As bosses live past 3m it gets wonky. But any delay phases like 1st boss elevator. Let you force alignment at the next vendetta.

calm grail
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And if exsanguinate just came off CD but say rupture is still at like 13 seconds left would you still just overwrite it for max duration? Same for Garrote?

lone junco
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If the vanish/Evang you gotta refresh.

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The garrote refreshes there anyway.

calm grail
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I know that, I'm talking about that middle section without anything being empowered

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Or after the third set

lone junco
#

The robot answer is to refresh the rupture earlier without delaying the exang.

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But my puny brain wants to use boss timings and vuln phases to delay for syncs. I know exang GC alignment is a small loss in sim. But my brain and boss timings isn't that strong.

calm grail
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I don't have Galecallers currently, if I did I'd delay for the synergy and ideal rupture/Garrote circumstances.

lone junco
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When you read the apl. It delays vendetta vanish for that 4th exang. 230 ish.

calm grail
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But assuming exsang is like 3 seconds from coming off cooldown, would you try to get a max duration rupture and garrote at the cost of energy or combo point inefficiency?

lone junco
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If you just hold your 3rd exang you can vendetta vanish closer to 215.

calm grail
#

Would the increase damage make up for it you think?

echo night
#

Probs a stupid question, but i see more and more people with the 375+ pvp daggers with either challenger or duelist on it, where is the easiest place to get this?

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Warfronts or arena?

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Or RBG

calm grail
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Oh, I thought you were supposed to hold your third exsanguinate by default.

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Whoops lol

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That's what I have been doing.

subtle tundra
#

!wa

lone junco
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Ok. An unempowered exang. Just takes a full duration garrote and finishes it up in 0.5 time so you can replace the remainder with unemplwered. Effectively 1.5x the debuff.

prisma monolithBOT
lone junco
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Nothing hugely magic with that. Just refresh the bleeds in pandemic prior to exang.

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@calm grail Sim says apl. But. Boss timings help us sync. Like vectis.

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Vectis you get fully aligned vanish at 220 420 620.

calm grail
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I understand that, what I'm saying is let's say that the bleeds aren't quite where you want them to be.

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The best example I have is exsanguinate is about to come off cooldown like 3 or 4 seconds but rupture still has like 14 seconds left.

lone junco
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Dunno the razor blade answer for. Refresh rupture at 14 sec or not.

calm grail
#

Would you just like wait 2 seconds and refresh it to Max duration or just work on planning ahead better

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Okay.

lone junco
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I would refresh.

calm grail
#

I know this is nitpicky, but I was trying to figure out what was better the other day.

lone junco
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Try to refresh without delay if exang.

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Because every second you delay the exang. You are pushing the vendetta vanish off the end of the fight.

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And we all should know. That vanish Exang is your 2nd mountain dmg.

calm grail
#

do you end up delaying the second exsanguinate a little bit to line up with GC if you have it?

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Or am I not thinking of the timings right

lone junco
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I want to delay the second exang to 1min. For alignment.

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Sim does that. But stops after 220.

calm grail
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Yeah, I think after the second Vendetta and vanish alignment stuff gets fuzzier

proven pumice
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Why would it do it before 220 but stop after 220

lone junco
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But you can read the apl. We are going to see logs way better than sim btw.

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There are people doing 23k st. In short fights.

calm grail
#

I got about 19.6k on Fetid without really thinking.

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And that was without exsanguinate

glacial crypt
#

Logs?

lone junco
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Those are my focus. Staying strong through 3min.

calm grail
#

Logs for my Fetid kill?

glacial crypt
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Yeah

lone junco
#

Yeah. The open is absurd. Just don't fuck it up.

glacial crypt
#

I know opener is strong, but 19k consistent is something I've not seen in game yet

proven pumice
#

When you have GC, since our haste gets snapshotted, do we have to keep standing inside the rune for the duration

calm grail
#

@glacial crypt

lone junco
#

19k over 2:25 fight is.

glacial crypt
#

99% parse is juicy

#

Wp my friend

calm grail
#

The funny thing about that log is that was my first night going back assassination after playing Outlaw

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I'm not super good at log analysis so I don't know what kind of black magic fuckery I pulled off to get that.

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I just played the rotation as far as I knew it.

glacial crypt
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Yeah I'm thinking about swapping back to assa from sub rn. Played assa through antorus / end of ToS

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What rotation are you using?

calm grail
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The one on the guide lol.

glacial crypt
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Also, without kingsbane, are you using exsanguinate or toxic blade?

calm grail
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That parse was TB.

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but it was honestly because that was my first night going back assassination and I was worried I would somehow fuck up exsanguinate.

lone junco
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One of my early mistakes is to hammer vanish after a skill. Vanish never goes off and I hit garrote.

proven pumice
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Which seems easy to do

calm grail
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Now I have been playing exsanguinate

deft locust
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I've done that a couple times this zpac noobe

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xpac*

gritty yoke
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i wonder if blizzard thinks its fun to be permanently energy starved. might as well go play some shitty classic private server at this point

deft locust
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what is gcd

calm grail
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My friend here @lone junco weathered my barrage of questions and I felt comfortable playing exsanguinate after

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Actually using it is less complicated than talking about it I have found out.

deft locust
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noobes cool. He just needs to get something higher than a 340 piece o.o

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@lone junco war are you at now?

calm grail
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Was fishing Shrines furiously for the last couple days for GCs. Got a 395 pair of bracers from a 7 last night POGGERS

deft locust
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what *

strange python
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How do you guys open on G'huun

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I've been experimenting a bit

ionic charm
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I open running a fucking orb fml

strange python
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lol

shy mica
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I looted a 380 doom's wake

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what's the best way to use it in opener

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I assume aftyer initial garrote

calm grail
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Garrote a tentacle then proceed as normal on the dark young.

proven pumice
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@calm grail are you forced to stand in the rune for the whole duration for maximum deeps with GC's? Or can you stand in it and use your exang and then do whatever

calm grail
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I don't have GCs yet.

strange python
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I garrote all the tentacles LUL

calm grail
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Still fishing for it.

proven pumice
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Ah

deft locust
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yikes

calm grail
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I think the big take away is to just be in it when you cast your exsanguinate

glacial crypt
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GC = gale callers?

strange python
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Yes

calm grail
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Obviously being able to stand it for everything is better

glacial crypt
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But haste only increase ticks on bleeds

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So you can garrotte and repute then step out of you really need

strange python
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Exsang snapshots

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Your haste

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And rounds

glacial crypt
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I use TB

strange python
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Well then

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Proceed

glacial crypt
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Haha, that was all my friend. I'm still in the process of swapping back, I still find sub more fun in fights ATM

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Especially g'huun with how many interrupts you can perform

strange python
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Sub is very nice

safe sequoia
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anyone got a link to nice sin weakauras that have subterfuge + pandemic support?

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my old one from legion are broke

strange python
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I'm forced to play either sub or sin because my OL weapons suck

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Not that I complain lol

glacial crypt
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
safe sequoia
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ah, ta

glacial crypt
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Np homie

turbid stratus
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is exsang better than tb ?

calm grail
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Gotta Sim it.

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With more SS traits it's very likely though it is

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But to be certain you have to do a talent compare.

turbid stratus
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ok thx

calm grail
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Even with 2 it sims higher for me.

strange python
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It is super close anyway

calm grail
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Only by like 50 damage.

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But I still think it's better for Mythic plus so I just keep it around anyhow

strange python
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I have 3 SS and Exsang is 1% better for me

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So like 150 dps

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Yeah I prefer playing with Exsang

proven pumice
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I do think TB is probably easier on progression.

calm grail
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In practice though it could be better with boss vulnerabilities and fight timings not always working like an apl

strange python
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Tru

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Like Zek'voz

calm grail
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And Mother and Fetid

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And Ghuun

strange python
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Ye

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There are loads this tier

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It's good on fights with prio adds too

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Or fights where the only target is an add that will die fast

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are there haste breakpoints?

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Like Vectis intermission

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if yes what are those

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Sim

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Yo

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Self

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There are no clear breakpoints from what I've seen

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I feel better at higher haste though

ionic charm
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@calm grail idk exang burst with G’huun’s short extra damage taken phase is pretty crazy

strange python
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Ye

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It's good shit

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With Vanish up ahhh

ionic charm
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I start off running and orb and pop back up to top dps during that lol

strange python
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Haha

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Sas

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Nadem how much haste you got?

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Sad

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I'm like 16.5% now

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I sim like 40 dps higher with 14.9% gear setup though

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Despite being roughly equal ilvl

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well if you have like 0 mastery and crit with the 16.5 haste gear

delicate crater
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Pins says SS Bug is as of Sept 1........is it still in affect or did they patch/fix it this week?

strange python
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then have like equal haste mastery crit with 14.9 you will deal more with equal gear

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SS still in effect

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The bug that is

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At least was yesterday when I misclicked garrote a 4th time LOL

delicate crater
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just watched an Assassination guide on YouTube and when he was demonstrating AoE.......he garroted 4 targets and you could see his dmg go down to like 4k a tick. But I wanted to make sure before I posted in the reply section

strange python
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Lol

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Did he do it on purpose

glacial crypt
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@

delicate crater
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Yes he says to Garrote as many targets as possible in the opener, which is typically 4

steep obsidian
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what?

strange python
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LOL

limpid rose
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is tripple SS trait the go to for toxic blade aswell or can/do you play something else there?

delicate crater
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he probably wasn't speaking specifically to the SS Trait, just AoE in general

strange python
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This is why you don't follow YouTube guides

ionic charm
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If there wasn’t a bug he would be right 😦

delicate crater
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but he needs to clarify because everyone will be using it

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thats right Artinz

strange python
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It's BiS for TB too

glacial crypt
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There's a bug?

strange python
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!ss

prisma monolithBOT
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Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

delicate crater
steep obsidian
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i almost want them to not fix it

delicate crater
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near the end

glacial crypt
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So garrotte 3 targets tops

steep obsidian
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because when they fix it you know they will nerf it 😛

strange python
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Yeah

ionic charm
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What I want to know is if you vanish and apply 6 Garrotea from stealth does it still bug?

strange python
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That's my attitude too

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Don't tell them

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I can live without that 4th garrote

steep obsidian
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just vanish for 3 more

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ez

ionic charm
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So you can have 6 ss garrotes rolling at the same time with vanish and it won’t bug?

steep obsidian
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i have no idea

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i cant see why not though?

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should test it

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if we havent

lone junco
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I do it often.

strange python
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Yes

steep obsidian
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not many pulls that big

strange python
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MONSTER dps

safe sequoia
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SS trait is so crazy

lone junco
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Ggg Ct. vanish ggg r. Vendetta mut mut rupture exang.

strange python
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If you get a pull that bih

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Why not FoK

safe sequoia
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my rogue is ilevel 322 with 3x SS and the garrotes alone on 3 targets do 13k dps

delicate crater
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G,G,G vanish G,G,G 30 stack HB, take Screenshot of Details before it drops.........

lone junco
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It typ happens when an extra pack adds.

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Seli has a plan for HB and scent post ss.

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It you gotta have big dick pulls of 10x

strange python
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Ggg Ct vanish Ggg vendetta r Exsang FoK r FoK r etc

lone junco
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Ye.

strange python
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You usually don't need a full length rupture on a prio add

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Getting a full value Exsang garrote is more important

steep obsidian
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hmm xsang is 80 dps ahead now for st

strange python
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Cool

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Try it

steep obsidian
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i need to practice it a bit more coz im prety brain dead

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with it

strange python
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It's easy to use

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Dunno why people think it's harder than TB

steep obsidian
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yeah but i have galecallers too which i want to line up with it i think so requires a bit more plannin

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and just gotta get used to it

strange python
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To get full potential out of TB you need to think too

steep obsidian
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first night i played sin in dungeons too

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yeah sure

radiant atlas
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I'm using galecallers and I hate it

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I seem to never get value from it

strange python
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Lol

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I have Golden Plumage

steep obsidian
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it has its downsides but its strong

strange python
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Macro to Vendetta