not to mention with good traits
#assassination
strange python
i hate boon tbh
its also my highest siming trinket
so i often just take some other passive trinket with 200 dps less
because one fucked use of the boon and you lose more than you gain
and you know uldir
onyx wind
just dont fuck it up then
strange python
there are few times were you can just actually stand still for 10s
onyx wind
Maybee once a minute?
strange python
i just take my 370 lions shit, not the best but 2min cd, use it on opener and never think about it until next vendetta
sims only 200 dps less
daring imp
@made yea
vestal venture
what talenjts are u running on zekvoz+
onyx wind
exsa
distant halo
How do you guys approach short aoe situations? Mobs that live shorter than say 15 seconds
onyx wind
use garrote and rupture
distant halo
I figure garrote is the opener for everything but is it worth rupturing if they won’t live for anywhere near duration?
strange python
when they die they will give you energy back while ruputer is still ticking
which is neat
strange python
yup
onyx wind
doesnt matter
distant halo
Ahh very good point. I guess that’s where my head is spinning, I don’t know any of the niche situations and I can’t seem to find any sort of advanced guides
I get the basics, but how to min/max is hurting my head
onyx wind
thats the hard part
peak saffron
thanks for all the advice @daring imp been reading
river quarry
my fellow sins
i got my 2nd tol dagor dag.
one 370 and one 365
we gucci, the grind has payed off 
hasty crater
Do quick navigation enchants stack ?
hasty crater
So putting it on main and off hand
onyx wind
dont do it
peak saffron
follow stat weights to decide what your offhand enchant should be. don't do the same enchant on both weapons
keen spruce
cyan stump
i ll put it differently
if i am running CT for dungeon should i use it during the boss fight
mortal warren
answer is the same
cyan stump
okay got it
cyan stump
thanks
green saffron
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
green saffron
Hello, Is there any working WA that can track Empower Garrote (Subterfuge)?
high siren
just track subterfuge
hollow barn
@green saffron I have a custom script that tracks it for exan and subtufuge. I’ll link it when I’m home later
flat laurel
Deadly navigation on main or off hand?
main blaze
Flip a coin
marble hemlock
i always have it on the mainhand. all the other enchants were using either start with M or Q, so D comes before that and thus belongs into the left-most slot
magic thistle
you guys think they gonna nerf SS?
marble hemlock
yes, but not without some buffs to make up for the loss of singletarget
magic thistle
blizzard hasnt been known to buff when they nerf
marble hemlock
when they buff something thats too strong for what they usually balance around, which would be mid-tier raiding, then yes. SS isnt like that however
the problem with SS mostly lies with dungeons
orchid field
Double dose buffs!
I actually like Double Dose as a trait because you can play around Envenom posion chance windows etc - a little more nunance gameplay
marble hemlock
so by nerfing it for dungeons, they would also dumpster our ST, which i dont think is what they want, so theyd have to buff other abilities, which inadvertently affects aoe again
marble hemlock
i dont think the problem with SS is how much damage it does, but how ~40-50% of your damage in a 20sec aoe fight come from your first 3 GCDs
magic thistle
im scared to turn in the pvp conquest weekly
if they nerf SS into oblivoin
and i wasted a chest piece
magic thistle
but you can choose which chest you want
marble hemlock
oh, cool
thought it was only one
i mean, SS chest drops from raids aswell
so unless you want it now, you could just choose another one, youll get lucky with the fetid one eventually
true thistle
Trinket, Galecaller's boon before aplaying dots?
marble hemlock
dots update dynamically with haste
its only exsanguinate that then snapshots that haste value
hybrid thicket
Its guareanteed ss chest from pvp ?
strange python
nice pvp fan of blades chest this week
hollow barn
Rupture isn’t affected by subtfg
strange python
garrote ticks for 16k crits on 3 targets in dungeons, this shit will be nerfed so hard
onyx wind
Probably
tulip willow
i just got my first ss should i now change up my opener
hollow barn
Check the guide for ss opener
true thistle
@marble hemlock so garrote from stealth, up to +4cp rupture, galecaller and exsanguinate?
marble hemlock
you can see the opener in the pins i believe
and then you just pop galecallers before you pop exsang
mint osprey
Just FYI I have hit a haste breakpoint where I can get 4 garrotes off in stealth
I think it would be incredibly useful for people to know what that is
slender pewter
Whats the breakpoint?
marble hemlock
interesting, considering our GCD is already 1sec and doesnt scale with haste
mint osprey
No idea lol
slender pewter
Whats your haste atm?
haughty flame
enchants are 1 weapon haste 1 crit right?
mint osprey
Char is joelteon kel'thuzad
Not home right now
But I did a kings rest and was able to get 4 off last night every stealth
Or most stealths
solid nova
Sure
mint osprey
$500 usd
solid nova
Sure
marble hemlock
can i get in on that action?
mint osprey
"so you didn't"
marble hemlock
it is for all clases, except feraldruid and rogues, because we already have a 1sec baseline gcd
we had it for 14years
solid nova
Subt is 3 seconds, GCD is 1 second, not effected by haste
4 garrotes in 3 seconds when youre GCD locked
But you managed to do that with haste with that youve said
marble hemlock
i literally just popped a drums and had ~55% haste in my gear, and did only get 3garrotes out
soo....
solid nova
So again, youre imagining it.
marble hemlock
I dm you my paypal or?
brave lily
daaaamn, outsmarted by a cat
haughty flame
enchants are 1 weapon haste 1 crit right?
wheat zealot
thin kernel
should have just let him play with that 4th garrote
marble hemlock
you can get a 4th garrote off @mint osprey , but that one wont be buffed by subterfuge anymore, and it will also conveniently remove the SS bonus on your 3 previous garrotes
severe niche
^
brave lily
^
severe niche
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
solid nova
Spread good information, not misinformation 👍
marble hemlock
if only youd get 500$ everytime you police
brave lily
Do you guys know if applying garotte over the original garottes (when in the window where you can refresh and add to the dot) will remove SS?
presumably it will
marble hemlock
i mean in most situatiosn it isnt exactly deliberate
but sticking to it when provided with facts to the contrary :/
solid nova
Not sure if trolling or 🤔
marble hemlock
on one hand, yes. on the other hand, we didnt discover the NS/DP bug until antorus, even though its been there since tomb
mint osprey
its not outside sub
solid nova
Oh dear
severe niche
it legit is
can you guys not math 3 sec buff and a gcd
hello
you only get 3 off
6 if you vanish
marble hemlock
maybe he has shackles of the wretched and uses temporal chains, so his steath lasts longer? 🤔
severe niche
the 4th garrote doesnt go on cd simply because using it in steath(with subterfuge) doesnt make it go on cd
marble hemlock
@mint osprey its real simple actually, for proof youd just need to cast 5 garrotes in a row
lone junco
Yeah. Hit that 4th and enjoy ur bug.
marble hemlock
cause if you were to cast 4 from stealth, youd be able to cast a 5th one right after
severe niche
hit that 4th garrote and enjoy doing bottom overall dps for the dungeon
marble hemlock
so unless you can do that, id like my 500$
solid nova
Same
marble hemlock
i want an achievement too 😦
marble hemlock
you shouldnt
lone junco
I'll try it with my double haste trinket. And drums. 72% haste for 10 Sec
warm cove
dod
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
warm cove
oh wait were u talking 4 garrotes st?
onyx wind
lmao
onyx wind
realm first +15 was ages ago
warm cove
im dumb
marble hemlock
the claim was that @mint osprey can cast 4 subterfuge/ss buffed garrotes from stealth because of his high haste
can you not ban him before richard and me get our money?
wheat zealot
Sorry, only raid Lfr lul
severe niche
talking to @lone junco
wheat zealot
Ik
lone junco
god no.
severe niche
maby if i can see some claim to him being good i might believe him but my non small brain cant comprehend bad
heroic
nice
magic thistle
Hypothetically if SS gets nerfed into unplayable. What would be the best traits to run mythic +s. You would want good cleave with good single target.
lone junco
I didnt say I could do the gggg. i just logged it. to ssee
severe niche
....
lone junco
and BRUH.
severe niche
alot of people in here have already tested and know how stuff works its good to listen and not spred misinformation
you think i havent?
you know how many people whisper me when i link stuff
i reply and help every single one
slender pewter
How do you play Sin in multi target? do you apply garrote and rupture on everything around you?
and do you use FOK to generate CP or Muti?
wheat zealot
The white knights of RH
magic thistle
@slender pewter usually just tripple garrote int CT
slender pewter
I read the gudie but it's not obvious about target switching
wheat zealot
severe niche
big brain rogue i can honestly say for myself not tryna gloat but when you stir up shit like this it doesnt make me take anything you say seriosuly
magic thistle
then spam fan of knives into either envenom or ruptures
slender pewter
Do you spec into CT?
magic thistle
for mythics yes
marble hemlock
wheat zealot
slender pewter
It hardly sims higher than poison bomb
magic thistle
is that sim counting multiple mobs?
magic thistle
ahh ok so see why that isnt good
is in mythics
usualyy you move a lot like sanguine or other mechanis
so most mobs end up not even standing in it
slender pewter
aha
magic thistle
for the full duration
lone junco
I was logging to see that i had like 75% haste and still did 4, cause you know Science.
magic thistle
ive also found CT to be much more consistent
marble hemlock
hope you appreciate my meme noobe
lone junco
cause thats what logs are for
severe niche
the 4th isnt empowered by subterfuge though
and goes on cd
cuz it wastn used from stealth
thats what were are saying
then what are you trying to prove?
magic thistle
you guys still on that lmao
slender pewter
Thanks @magic thistle
lone junco
what the fuck is wrong with you
severe niche
again 'then what are you trying to prove?' maby im missing what your point of all this was
im just asking
marble hemlock
trying to prove to smooches that hes wrong
magic thistle
@slender pewter np. Im a huge fan of CT over bomb. Its useless on bosses but venom bomb only contributes 2% of your damage on single target anyways
marble hemlock
noobe is trying to be the good guy
lone junco
how many fucking garrotes go off?
I have like 75% haste on the open
if i cant do it, no one can
lone junco
but feel free to troll my heroic content
severe niche
when the math doesnt check out
lone junco
cause small brain
magic thistle
Ok so besides SS which traits do you guys think is best for high level mythics?
marble hemlock
scent
lone junco
i closed the log early and it didnt capture. and my log has a bazillion fights.
im small brain some times.
marble hemlock
can even run HB instead of CT with scent so you dont have to use CP on CT and keep rupturing all dem mobs
lone junco
dummy logs are stupid.
magic thistle
any reason you think scent is good?
marble hemlock
only really worth if youre pulling like 10+ mobs tho
well look at it this way
you have like what, 5k base agi
3x scent will give you ~250agi per rupture
lone junco
but then you have to rupture a bunch of things/ UGGH. feel like a dot lock
marble hemlock
its not problem to maintain 7-8 ruptures on a big pull with high crit
so youll gain ~2k agi by doing so
magic thistle
but you also do no damage on bosses. And there are better AoE traits
magic thistle
im talkin about the eventuality of SS getting nerfed into the ground
amber quail
By when you are able to activate 2x “on use” trinket? XD
magic thistle
we gonna have to switch to something
lone junco
the other reasonable traits are single target
marble hemlock
then we will have to be content with being either still huge on aoe thanks to scent, or trying to be decent for both aoe/st by picking something else
the fact that one trait is bis for both ST and aoe is the problem to begin with
magic thistle
ive been thinking double scent thunderous blast
marble hemlock
well, TB is the same as all the other generic traits, theyre not really worth discussing imo because theyre not spec-specific
so their value will remain the same
magic thistle
but im trying to comeup with a good setup without SS
marble hemlock
but youre right, the best "jack of all trades" kind of trait might be a generic one
magic thistle
including all trates
marble hemlock
but since you were asking for high m+
we will have to decide to focus on our strength at some point, and that is and will remain sustained aoe
and for that id recommend scent
we were carrying on singletarget in legion, now we're the aoe spec
so on high keys during forti weeks, you will go full aoe
which will mean 2 or even 3 scent
lone junco
the env uptime one might be good if SS dies. the mut one. and kinfe one will be st.
marble hemlock
during tyra keys you might opt for an option thats more in between st and aoe, so probably one of the generic ones
winter gale
Hello guys. 3 SS triats are still way to go?
marble hemlock
yes
winter gale
In each azerite armor
marble hemlock
i had 340 ss head, switched it out for 370 matrix cause its better
but that depends on your gear, so youll have to sim it to get a clearer answer
winter gale
Ok ok
lone junco
Ok. A funny thing happened after my garrotes ran out but haste was stil 74%
winter gale
Ill go for head in Uldir since it gives Matrix and 2nd best
marble hemlock
im not sure if the sims for matrix include the current-week bonus you get while inside the raid @winter gale
youll have to ask one of the tc-guys about that
marble hemlock
frankly, you can just check the html report if it includes the reorigination array buff
cunning needle
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > mastery > vers >= haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.
ebon dragon
hi guys, i read the guide but someone can explain me how to setup/rotaton of the burst damage if we are already in combat?
magic thistle
@lone junco i see 4 garrotes. case closed
winter gale
If u put 4th outof sub u are losing ticking dmg from ss or they fixed?
winter gale
Then no need for 4th until the expire?
magic thistle
which is really shitty in PVP
winter gale
Y
lone junco
he likes pressing garrote in pvp i guess
winter gale
And guys may I put my rotation in opener and utell me is it wrong somewhere?
magic thistle
it makes it harder to split pressure because you need garrote and rupture for system shock
versed osprey
Ye i hate that bug in pvp
magic thistle
see
versed osprey
I run tripple ss exsang in arenas
magic thistle
as do i
versed osprey
Cause i like to mane my enemies bleed
magic thistle
honestly i think triple SS is one of the best arena traits
winter gale
Garrote/rupture/garrote/Vendetta/TB/Envenom/Mutilate till 4-5/Envenom/.../Vanish when Garrote exipers and then Garrote x2
winter gale
Is this as it should be?
versed osprey
Panic ensues
magic thistle
looks good @winter gale
versed osprey
I can easily kill healers aswell
magic thistle
Ive actually liked toxic blade more. Allows you to spread your burst options
wheat zealot
X3 ss with exsan puts someome down quick
versed osprey
Ye
wheat zealot
I use tb if they have a lot of immunities
magic thistle
true but ive found way to many counters to it in 3s
winter gale
And I am rogue just since legion Nighthold so I didnt play exs alot
marble hemlock
wut
lone junco
magic thistle
at the end of the duration
lone junco
that 2nd garrote at 15:195
magic thistle
the overall damage should be the exact same right?
haughty flame
?
magic thistle
k so nothing new then
magic thistle
so the damage doesnt change then
magic thistle
why swap?
prime void
uh. I'm ranged class lead
to help our ranged get into shape
which ive done
but I fucking hate ranged
lone junco
Yay
winter fog
correct me if I'm wrong, but shouldnt we pool energy before every finisher to get maximum profit out of elaborate planning? Seems to me like I can stand still for 6 seconds with vigor before I energy cap
and assa doesnt seem to have any unplanned combo points like sub does
lone junco
I guess the double application is why they invented pandemic extension.
stoic pelican
Why Shrouded Suffocation is this good? isnt just for opener?
magic thistle
i typically time my finishers so that i always have elaborate planning up
strange river
Opener, and vanish
tame cobalt
Double garrote in st
stoic pelican
how many spells do I have time to cast?
stoic pelican
then why not 3 on ST as well?
tame cobalt
Cause the second cast gives max duration garote already
strange python
Total waste
tame cobalt
And max combo points
stoic pelican
aha! got it! Thanks.
tame cobalt
Cheers
lone junco
In st. The only value is Max length garrote. And cp gen.
stoic pelican
another question, for Cleave, do I want to apply Rupture only with 4+ CP?
stoic pelican
How much should they last to be worth doing rupture?
tame cobalt
Full time
stoic pelican
Because I'm coming from playing Feral, and in Feral you should never do any finisher with lower than 5cp. so I have to adopt
lone junco
I don't bother rupturing non elites.
stoic pelican
tnx boiiis
crimson basin
Ham on ct. Low
What does it mean?
agile phoenix
bois there is only one azerite piece in raid yea ?
so we need to drop the other pieces from mythic plus
stable yarrow
is the SS bug in pins fixed yet?
lone junco
No
gleaming stratus
Storms and freehold shoulder, helmet
green saffron
@hollow barn 😘
lone junco
@crimson basin avg hit count of the Ct. x mob count. Needs to substantially higher than your env value.
wraith mesa
Morning all
stoic pelican
Stupid question: what poison do we use?
agile phoenix
thnx you also know at what mythic plus the items that drop have a nice chance for 370 ilvl ?
crimson basin
Alright good to know
stoic pelican
Why I see people with Crippling Poison?
lone junco
Use cripple and DP.
crimson basin
You can use both Faazi
stoic pelican
but why not Wound poison?
prime void
why would you run wound
in pve content
vs a slow and dmg increase
No value for wound
0
gilded oak
slow isnt always good in pve
stoic pelican
Crippling just slows them. no damage. isnt it?
prime void
very very very very few instances where you dont want cripping.
stoic pelican
Wound does damage
wraith mesa
Trying to master my rogue actually and noticed that i had some issue with opener and more. Now i trying to figure rupture.... you guys refresh rupture before it go down... should we always refresh at 4-5CP or it doesnt matter and we should keep it with any CP refresh
prime void
hence the no value
gilded oak
In mythics when tank want to move trash out of sanguine you dont want slows
prime void
so a very specific instance
stoic pelican
but in ST raid it would be Wound instead of crippling?
prime void
exactly my point
gilded oak
Like all mythics atm but ok 😄
gilded oak
It is every other week
stoic pelican
so my opener in packs should be Garrote on 3 targets, then CT then Exsanguinate?
crimson basin
Yes
winter gale
But I am much more familiar to TB
stoic pelican
Im an idiot, I cant have Wound and Deadly at the same time. sry boys. my bad
crimson basin
Yes @stoic pelican but it depends on fight length
hot snow
Hey quick q. In the opener for multi ss users - it has that after vanish you should garrote twice. Should that be done like g - r - g like the beginning of hte opener? or is it literally g - g
winter gale
I am doing g-g to get full cp
wide delta
g-g-r
hot snow
oh okay
wide delta
for full CP rupture
crimson basin
Usually I do g g r after vanish
wraith mesa
do you guys always refresh R at 4-5 CP only ? or it happen that you have to Refresh it at 2-3 ?
hot snow
or just depends on where my cps are at when I vanish?
winter fog
can mutilate grant up to 4 cp when critting with both hits?
lone junco
I actually used wound poison on the blood boss in Atal.
hot snow
just make sure I get most uptime on garrote with sub. that's the goal right?
crimson basin
Yeah
lone junco
Not really.
winter fog
does the envenom buff really matter single target? I mean deadly poison is up 100% anyway
lone junco
Garrote uptime should be like 99%. And you control burst with subterfuge. And vanish vendetta alignment.
@winter fog env can hit for 30k. Also. Application dmg matters.
hot snow
yea. just sometimes I already have 4 cps
lone junco
Application hits apply more with buff up.
hot snow
should I pop an env and then use vanish with vendetta?
crimson basin
I thought you were talking about first vanish only
desert pelican
Why my sims dont want to take haste on first place even when im have lower than 14% -_-
lone junco
The only dps that matters is the open. And vendetta vanish alignment.
wide delta
well 100 is impossible but as much as possible
well sometimes vendetta doesnt align with vanish tho
severe niche
ye
that sounds about right
literally with ss
its dps increase to save and align them
ruby girder
severe niche
solo target
cunning needle
yeah but feelycraft
desert pelican
@lone junco 3 ss, wtf ;D
severe niche
exsang feels good
cunning needle
mainly toxi blade
severe niche
i played exsang in en in legion
so im already familiar with the playstyle
i personally like it better than toxic blade
desert pelican
@lone junco mb thia is just coz low ilvl (352) but im already wanna more haste, but sims told me not to do it -_-
winter gale
Does anyone here knows is there any command or addon for maxing out camera distance in BFA?
severe niche
depends on your trinkets and other gear bro @desert pelican
camera distance is capped
lone junco
@desert pelican when you look at weights. 1.9 and 1.88 are very similar. Just aim for guidance.
severe niche
could see whole zone
winter gale
Im watching Sco's stream atm
lone junco
I do know that haste is bottom tier in cleave sims.
winter gale
And he can see entire Mythrax and when I play i cant
lone junco
Cause for cleave. Mastery is above agi for me.
severe niche
maby hes on a bigger reso monitor than you?
desert pelican
U can make camera distance bigger through some scripts ingame
Bigger than standart distance
cunning needle
also whats the minimum timers for garrote/rupture before casting your 2nd exsang?
lone junco
Sco prob has 40" screen and 2x gfx cards.
desert pelican
@lone junco ye, crit and haste is nearly similar on my weights
lone junco
Second exang is around :50 -1:00
For st. Stack haste crit. You won't be disappointed.
Aoe is mastery crit.
desert pelican
How the fuck u can play competitive on 40 screen ;D
Its like u have fish eyes for it
cunning needle
nah i mean how much duration you should have on your garrote and rupture
desert pelican
@lone junco u drop all haste in m+?
cunning needle
till you pandemic refresh
wide delta
@desert pelican not all lol
cunning needle
kk
wide delta
but crit mastery is just beatter
onyx wind
Unless its convenient
cunning needle
like if theres a few seconds to hold
then i'd hold
but if its longer than like 5-6
just refresh to max and cast
desert pelican
@wide delta i think im just need to sim 4 targets for 40 seconds, but sometimes on frags stream im seeing how he doing good in m+ just with base 19% haste and low mastery ;)
lone junco
@desert pelican If every pack were 5+ Then mastery crit. But you still have single prio and bosses.
But since we can't change gear. You get to make a choice.
wide delta
just get a mix of all stats and u gucci
lone junco
Yeah.
wide delta
prio is crit haste and mastery
desert pelican
Right now my stats is nearly equal in numbers anyway ;)
lone junco
I'm going to use GC. But stack mastery.
wide delta
dont focus too much on crit/mastery I would say . i mean @lone junco mentioned it, there are prio targets and also bosses
lone junco
GC open will be good for my ggg. And exang. Then crit mastery for the fok cps and aoe Ct
wide delta
whats GC dog
desert pelican
Yeah , im noticed how my st damage drop without haste, and in this week vs tyranical bisses even more -_-
lone junco
Galecaller
prisma monolithBOT
Do my azerite traits stack?
The damage part of azerite Stacks.
Other components can be assumed to stack however with some exceptions and limitations.
You can check https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/azerite-stacks/1t-t22-assassination for estimations.
viral zephyr
!azerite
desert pelican
Didnt have gc now, but how big is buff zone?
lone junco
Small.
desert pelican
But u can move from some cleave ability in m+?;D
lone junco
I have 13 haste. With my double trinket 45% haste. On 1min interval with exang
75 in lust.
Haven't checked a log yet. But i bet I peak 40k on my next prio st. mob.
desert pelican
👌
lone junco
I'd probably rather a good dice trinket. But don't have one yet.
But a 370tf Juju would be hilarious.
strange river
Do you guys prefer exsang or toxic blade for m+
vocal kelp
Exsang
strange python
do you guys also have the nice fan of blades chest as weekly conquest reward?
main rain
Exsang for juicy boss and prio dmg
strange python
or is it random
vocal kelp
Got a SS chest from weekly PvP
strange python
wow what a shitshow
vocal kelp
I think u can choose tho
strange python
so you can choose another chest like with weapon?
vocal kelp
Cus i got 2 chests to choose from
onyx wind
yes
spice surge
@strange python yes
strange python
thank god
spice surge
Guaranteed ss chest
vocal kelp
@signal summit poison bomb on most, CT is fun tho with big aoe burst
signal summit
ok thought so
lone junco
Ct on most.
vocal kelp
I feel like adds är dying to Quick on tyrannical
So i just prefer to have higher boss dmg
onyx wind
me too
strange python
PB is like 300 dps more ON ST, while CT is a big dps boost on aoe
so its worth to take CT almost always
on high keys
vocal kelp
Both are def viable and is prolly what you prefer the most
onyx wind
^
vocal kelp
If your grp has high ST then u might aswell go CT, IF your grp has low ST go PB
strange river
If I don't have 3x SS traits do you think it would be worth to run assass? I'm outlaw now with just general traits, i want to play assass but I don't have good traits for assass
vocal kelp
How many SS traits do you have?
strange river
One if I get the PvP chest otherwise zero
vocal kelp
For raiding none could be Good if u have other Good traits
But SS is def making it more fun since ur burst is so high and ur 3 target cleave is insane
strange river
Right yeah. It looks really fun
spice surge
Yes
spice surge
Yes
lone junco
Are there notes for the azerite balance
rustic acorn
how do you get it/what do you need to do ?
torpid sluice
Get conquest points, fill the bar
So 2v2, 3v3 and bgs
First one gave me a weapon, 2nd and 3rd will give me the chest (you get a quest and you can choose from multiple chests)
rustic acorn
is it the same amount of conquest point, from first to second ?
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
fallow sinew
tranquil marlin
Whats that garuanteed pvp chest ss item your all talking about?
hollow stone
@lone junco the only thing close to notes was the ama with ion on reddit
That i have seen
hollow stone
Xandahr explained it less than 10 mins ago. Scroll up
red fiber
@tranquil marlin Check out your PvP tab.
It's a reward for conquest points.
First you get a weapon for 500, then it's a 355 chest piece with guaranteed SS.
tranquil marlin
Ty like the dagger last week? Its a 340 item i think?
red fiber
Alrighty, thanks. And sorry, fairly new to the discord.
split dirge
whoops wrong dc
cold badge
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
tranquil marlin
So its a pvp reward rotation then dont change? You can get the 340 dagger whenever you want and afterwards its always tje 355 ss chest?
sand granite
I read you guys talking about double garrote in the opner on a single target..am I understanding right?
lone junco
G r g. And ggg in cleave.
crude pagoda
why double garrote öO
lone junco
Pushes full 23 sec on your SS
lone junco
With or without exang.
sand granite
gotcha thanks
rain ibex
For dungeons, do i rock Exsang or TB?
strange river
Some here mentioned they like exsang
jade oak
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
carmine valve
Hello I just come here daily to ask if they nerfed the trait that made assassination top pick for m+ yet`?
lone junco
No.
onyx wind
Thats not a question
nocturne gate
is there any statement when and if they fix SS ?
lone junco
Nothing yet. Just enjoy it.
desert pelican
And why ;D
lone junco
But still bugged.
carmine valve
Blizzard have gone for traits that are too strong why I asked for it
lone junco
They are strong In one place. Weak in Another.
devout moth
What decides the amount of combo points you get from a mutilate?
spice surge
I still expect a slight nerf, to make it not the most appealing on ST. But its still gonna be dope in m+
If you crit
devout moth
sometimes I get 2, sometimes 3, sometimes 4... But idk what is affecting it lol
aha
so if they crit its 2xp per mutilate hit
spice surge
Read your "Seal Fate" passive
rustic acorn
basicaly, 2, if you crit with one hand, 3, if you crit with both, 4
devout moth
yup yup; cheers 😃
onyx wind
SS will definetely get nerfed
lone junco
And possibly 3 if you get parried on a double crit.
I hope it's just dr.
So raid is 1 or 2
devout moth
no? cant get one afaik
lone junco
In m+. I'd like 2ss 1scent. Maybe
devout moth
unless you mean per hand
silk sundial
When playing exang with the ep build, is it important to pool energy to maximize ep up time rather than spamming your builder?
calm grail
Well best case scenario if SS gets nerfed we get other compelling options.
spice surge
Double dose is also pretty good already, not for aoe ofc
lone junco
I won't ever run knives.
onyx wind
pretty sure SS will still be best after nerfs
lone junco
Knife throw just sounds stupid for the rotation.
onyx wind
even if it gets another 10%
calm grail
Yeah. With a WA to track stacks I'd use it. It would feel dumb though.
calm grail
Imagine if instead of nerfing our traits they buffed the shitty ones.
onyx wind
Pretty ok to have a 16k-32kcrit in downtimes
Or to finish off fleeeing mobs/infeesteed
glad shuttle
is there anyone that's good at analyzing logs?
I'm trying to figure out how to improve , I have logs on Zek Vos
cold meteor
glad shuttle
that doesn't tell me much, just not to overcap with toxic blade..
cosmic forge
Am i correct in thinking - talent subterfuge. I only want to cast garrote on an aoe pack 3 times (3 different targes) as a 4th, will lower dmg on all exisiting dots
celest swan
hey i saw we have ot garrote twice after vanish. even if the first one results in a full pandemic?
lone junco
Post log. And don't be mad when people tell you stuff.
celest swan
isnt the whole garrote buffed froms tealth if we apndemic a normal one?
daring imp
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
celest swan
well thats good to know aswell, so it applie son OTHER targets?
cosmic forge
ah sorry - didnt know that command. Thank you.
lone junco
If 1st hits full pandemic. The second if for full cp gen for rupture exang.
Else you have a shitty env. Or refresh rupture with short. In a grg
cold meteor
well you don't have any SS trait so
pure sand
I'm having a hard time getting the hang of Exsanguinate. I read use on CD but don't I want to line it up with all my bleeds at max?
spice surge
Yes, so you plan ahead to make sure your bleeds are almost full when its ready
cold meteor
it's not a big deal if you overcap a bit pandemic
celest swan
so basicly the cp makes it better then a mutilate but it dont have ot do it for buff or trait reason? @lone junco
lone junco
If you aren't using exang. Vanish g. R. G. Seems fine.
I dunno about tb tho.
The cheap cp gen is nice.
But cheap g. Is probably better than a non crit mut.
celest swan
istn G>R>G wiht exsanguinate fine aswell if have 5 CP after the first Garrote?
fluid flare
what last talant is goot for m+ crimson blade /
rustic acorn
scroll up a bit, they talked about it earlier
strange python
With the sharpened blades trait how does Poisoned Knife fit into the ST rotation?
rustic acorn
i guess whenever you are about to reach 30stack
vestal wren
🤷
restive bluff
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
past trail
strange python
anyone have some tips on how to open on zul? I've been garroting the hexer crusher and zul then opening on zul
onyx wind
open on crusher
lone junco
@sharp kiln i use 6T 40 sec no buffs. for M+ weights, but remember, you still need to balance the 1T prio 20s. no buffs and 1T prior 1 or 2min boss with lust. so its a bit messy
@onyx wind open crusher vanish zul?
onyx wind
2sec
strange python
should I still get the 3 garrotes on all 3?
lone junco
we should be on zul heroic this next week. cause reasons. but will be nice to have that planned out.
surreal rivet
@strange python I garrote the hexer then the crusher, then zul
Then go as normal
@lone junco so when the bug gets fixed it’ll be a dps increase?
lone junco
doubt.
i mean. garrote is such a small component of dps outside of subterfuge.
Bug fix will prob just keep you from fucking yourself.
surreal rivet
True
calm grail
On trash if you were popping GCs for shits and giggles would you do it after triple g opener or after that first rup?
young swan
Does the bug happend every time u add an unbuffed garrote? Or just sometimes?
lone junco
@calm grail for shits and giggles. best possible is probably ggg gc CT vendett mut mut rupture exang. .
or something.
gc drop then exang at 1 sec left
pushes gc to 19sec duration for that 1t.
but in normal packs i do GGG CT GC.
and if the trash runs off i just stay in my circle fok fok
lol
@onyx wind just get a TF from your weekly box like I did
lone junco
best luck from box
lone junco
didnt do a 10 so it was only 365 😦
cobalt flame
Guys , do I use crimson tempest on single target (i mean in dungeons when running tempest ofc)
onyx wind
no
cobalt flame
k
viscid pawn
hey, quick question for m+. i got these trinkets now... what combination would u run? spyglass and cannonball maybe?
sim with hectic cleave?
pure sand
with SS bugged, should you be overlapping it out of stealth in the opener?
rich olive
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
river zinc
I haven't played sin yet this expac..do you guys feel sin does more AoE dmg or less than outlaw?
brisk forge
lone junco
@viscid pawn 6T patchwerk 40s. No buffs.
hollow barn
https://pastebin.com/VxZ2JS5k @green saffron
lone junco
It will still use vanish and vendetta. But it gives you an estimate.
Hecticaddcleave messes up with time changes due to time stamped adds.
woven night
Greetings. What talent build you guys run for PvE sin, Mythic + and raids?
lone junco
Read the guide.
wary anchor
!opener
river zinc
is exsg ahead of poison?
dapper moat
Question about taloc phase 2 as a sin. Anyone else here top charts on phase 1 and 3 but at phase 2 gets low dps. I am do busy avoiding fall,floor and laser so its just hard to do any dps there. Also mobs die so fast at that phase
lone junco
Depends. They are similar over 5 mins.
river zinc
ty
lone junco
You will see both do well in raids. M+ I prefer exang by far.
silk sundial
@dapper moat there probably isn't much you can do. Sin has a high ramp up time and can't really burst the adds. Your tank should make it easy to avoid pools and laser though
lone junco
Sure.
Yeah. Elevator time. Ranged should be doing the work.
Or warrior. Gl with sin
@strange python yes. Everyone has a shorter cd with tb than exang. Boss timings will determine the min max. You will see both in logs
lunar berry
What spec is genrally giving out the most dps in raids atm?
lone junco
Affliction.
lunar berry
funny
lunar berry
same arrogant crap answer as "SIM IT" too all questions...this forum is pointless
lone junco
Outlaw does cleave. Sub dumpsters on zul. Sin does peak timings well.
Arrogant crap master.
hollow barn
providing the most accurate answer= arrogant
lone junco
All 3 are best. Depends on fight and skill level.
Sims are not god.
They are 1/3 of the puzzle imo.
Sims. Logs. And skill.
If you can't perform. Sim avg isn't going to matter.
Actual boss timings matter more than 5min avg.
silent scaffold
Noobe. I love you.
lone junco
I do large dataset modeling at work. It's very similar.
Not the software development. Just the engineering side.
We value feelycraft a lot. You need expectations. Prior to modeling.
And if the model result differs. You must be able to explain why.
crude pagoda
shoyuld i use deadly posion and crippling pouison opr only deadly?
lone junco
Both unless your tank doesn't want cripple for sanguine.
Seli drops cripple for the snake ball.
little frigate
was the garrote bug past 3 applications fixed?
kind flint
Toxic Blade vs Exsang - situational based on fight? Or take Exsang only when you've got Shrouded Suffocation? Planning to respec back to Sin from Sub, so I've gotta get the gear to do so, but just trying to plan ahead
@little frigate , I don't think so?
lone junco
Garrote bug still live.
kind flint
^
lone junco
As of this morning.
little frigate
damnit
prisma pond
Oops
prisma pond
Lol sorry we have a work discord, great for emergencies and memes
prisma pond
That's where I'm at. Haste over agil
wary anchor
Shud i wait exactly till my shrouded garrote ends before reapplying another?
lone junco
my Juju trinket wont stack in apl by default. how do you run weights from advanced tab?
prisma pond
Happened after a 380 TF bracer drop with crit mastery 
lone junco
@wary anchor if exang go to 0. if using TB, you can vanish gg in the pandemic window of SS
frosty oak
dang this sucks, still have 325 SS shoulders
if i get 340 for 2 traits i get like +500 dps
😦
wary anchor
@lone junco is the window less than 5s?
wary anchor
Playing TB so ill vanish and refresh when its less than 5
what about if i dont vanish
like its on cd
lone junco
if you dont vanish, you need to let the SS expire.
taking 12k ticks and turning them to 2k ticks.
eternal vault
when do u use galecallers in the opener?
wary anchor
cool thanks
lone junco
wary anchor
whats the best raid opener atm?
lilac thorn
is there an exang build guilde?
quartz depot
finally got my exsang to sim more than tb
eternal vault
ty
lone junco
@solid nova almost to 100k. dont think i can catch don tho.
I took like 6 months off.
tawdry breach
What sort of fight do you guys simulate for some solid AoE stat weights? I've heard beastlord but I'm not sure
inner plover
You can also try patchwerk 5 bosses up to 2mins
tawdry breach
Gonna try that, ty
solid nova
@lone junco Stop slacking
lone junco
@tawdry breach you can shorten the fights up if you are looking for reastealth priority from M+. like 5T 40 sec. or what not. but remember not to imbalance your ST. aka haste is best in ST. Haste is worst in cleave. gl
and turn off lust /buffs if you are looking at trash sims.
tawdry breach
Nice thanks that's some solid info, cheers
steel bane
guys, what's the SoF bug?
flint swift
So I’ve been trying to get a second dagger so I can try sin out for like a full week with no luck. What’s the most reliable way to farm a 340+ dag? I have like 5k gold to my name so I can’t buy a boe
opaque junco
spam any m+ that can drop a dagger and pray
flint swift
Yeah that’s what I’ve been doing haha. Good to know I’m on the right track. I got my first one from a rare in arathi
opaque junco
yeah tol dagor best dagger
jolly notch
Also as a rogue it shouldnt be too hard getting into tol dagor lol
flint swift
Yup haha gotta love those shortcuts.
opaque junco
I'm curious as to why we choose vigor over MfD tho, is there an actual explanation behind this?
lofty sand
overrall energy generation from vigor is necessary
round ledge
Has there been an assassination nerf in the last week that I'm not aware of?
strange python
@surreal rivet should I open with vendetta on crusher or use it on zul
round ledge
seem to be simming ~100dps lower, with the same gear and an additional trait unlocked
so a bit confused
silk sundial
The problem is pugging high keys since most tanks that pug are something special lol.
jolly notch
Just raider.io people
Dps and sometimes healers can get carried through 8+ but not a bad tank imo
onyx wind
no
round ledge
very good
silk sundial
No
terse pawn
because you got rid of cheapshot bleed probablyt
round ledge
^ that doesn't have any relevance to the sim difference
terse pawn
or they changed the sim since you ran it 2 days ago
lone junco
@round ledge disregard that. one sim doesnt have 2 wep enchants.
rustic acorn
yup, that's what i was gonna say, your first sim doesn't have the second encahnt on the dagger
round ledge
didn't even notice, ty boys
lone junco
your combat shanker doesnt have quicknav
teal glen
lone junco
one of our dh has like 6 sockets 😐