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silk sundial
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2 is 12 according to tooltip

lone junco
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So 4 sec. added. To second duration.

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G m r. Is either 4 or 5

silk sundial
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My question is the rupture after vanish, that seems like too long when using exang

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strange python
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Hm?

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The 1st rupture is 3CP though

silk sundial
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Ohh i thought it was 2cp

strange python
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A G-R-G-R Rupture is like 32s iirc

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sorry

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G-R-G-M-R

lone junco
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I thought SS was 2cp.

strange python
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No

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It's 2 ADDITIONAL CP

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So it's 3CP

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Since Garrote already gives 1 CP

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How have you missed this? 🤔

lone junco
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3 r. 5 r. That's good I guess.

strange python
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That's why you Mut before vanish

lone junco
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Cause the dmg from the garrote is worth more to me than the rupture.

strange python
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In the reopener

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if you're at 0 cp

dense yarrow
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I TOLD YOU NOOBE like much earlier

strange python
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So you have 2 cp going into vanish

dense yarrow
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and you said it was 2cp not 3 lol

strange python
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And when you garrote you come out with 5

lone junco
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100k per garrote.

strange python
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So you can go G-R-G on reopener too

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Rather than GGR

lone junco
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Sure.

strange python
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Which wastes a CP

grim wolf
strange python
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sweats in rogue

paper niche
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What should i use for Mythic+ statweights calculation using raidbots there is no dungeon option

strange python
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Fucking crab mentality I swear

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I'm glad rogue specs don't shit on each other at least

vast forum
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fuck assa rogues

strange python
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😦

vast forum
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sub masterrace

dense yarrow
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FUck sub

strange python
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I love sub too

terse pawn
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i wish i could love sub 😦

vast forum
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jk, i'm rerolling assa cuz exsang is finally viable 😄

strange python
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I like OL as well but my fist and sword sucks

lone junco
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There isn't a dpe that would beat the 3rd garrote in m+

terse pawn
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i do like 30% more damage as sin though

strange python
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So I'm a daggerboi

vast forum
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and sub is dance spam of early legion again 😴

terse pawn
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it's ridiculous

lone junco
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Cause you can't duck up ggg Ct.

terse pawn
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also yeah sub ST rotation is boring

strange python
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I quite like dance spam

terse pawn
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if there was more cool shit maybe

lone junco
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I like blade flurry blade rush.

strange python
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Well yeah in cleave or aoe you always open with as many garrotes as possible

lone junco
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But the uptime requirement is hard.

dense yarrow
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or blade flurry killing spree

terse pawn
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no you open with 3 garrotes

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max

strange python
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I know the bug buddy

terse pawn
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unless you want to vanish and do it again

strange python
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I mean with vanish

lone junco
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Last boss of kings quest. Runs off with your exang running.

strange python
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GGGCtVGGGR

dense yarrow
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^

lone junco
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I like that one.

strange python
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That shit is cash

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My G'huun opener is similar

ocean oyster
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do i exsang oon cd?

strange python
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yes

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You can hold it if you have Vanish and Vendetta coming up

ocean oyster
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not after i refresh rupture and garote?

lone junco
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Sure. Unless you need to plan for vuln.

ocean oyster
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oh

strange python
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Well you want to plan ahead

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So Exsang is off CD with a good duration rupture upp

lone junco
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Lol you need rupture and garrote up.

gilded kayak
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hey looking for some help for aoe sin rotation for m+ 3-5targets, running x2 shrouded suffocation.
Is it 3 garottes on opener, crimson tempest and then just maintain garrote rupture on 3 targets and maintain crimson tempest spamming FoK?

strange python
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Yeah ofc

ocean oyster
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no i know but what if rupture and garote are low

strange python
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Reapply

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You have pandemic to work with too

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Makes the Exsang even better

ocean oyster
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can i reapply before pandemic

strange python
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Well

ocean oyster
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if i have exsang

strange python
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It's suboptimal but it's OK with Exsang I'd say

ocean oyster
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oh i see

strange python
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You can just hold the exsang a few secs

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But yeah it's a bit of a tradeoff

ocean oyster
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ic

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ic

delicate root
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depends on the fight

strange python
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This too

ocean oyster
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is exsang much better than toxic blade?

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seesms like exsang needs more micro management

delicate root
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run a sim and find out

lone junco
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Listen. For the un buffed exang. You turn 1 rupture Into 1.5 rupture

strange python
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Damn Frost DKs are good

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Always happy to see

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My old main is doing good

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Exsang is like 1% better than TB

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For me at least

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Sim it

delicate root
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yeah, exsang wins by 200dps for me

lone junco
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Use trinkets are not set to overlap. except GC.

strange python
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What do you mean

lone junco
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/use trinkets in apl are on cd.

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If it is 10 sec. and you use crit at t=0 it fades 4 sec Into exang.

strange python
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So you mean Exsang will reduce the buff duration as well?

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on the dot

delicate root
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/cast Vendetta
/use 14```
I have to press this macro twice to use both... didn't used to be that way right?
strange python
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Mine works fine with Golden Plumage

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I have my /use before Vendetta though

delicate root
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hmm, that maybe it

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since vendetta is on global now

strange python
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Yeah

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100% what your problem is

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Trinkets should be off GCD

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So reverse the order you have

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/use Lustrous Golden Plumage
/cast Vendetta```
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Mine

arctic isle
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nah shouldnt matter

delicate root
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clearly it does

arctic isle
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it literally doesnt

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but ok

strange python
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did it work when you changed it

lone junco
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My GC exang goes off. And the vendetta GC goes off.

arctic isle
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its off thegcd meaning u can press it any time LUL

lone junco
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But I mash buttons tbh.

arctic isle
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u can press it half way trough ur gcd it doesnt matter

delicate root
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I mean... I have the macro written as above and I have to press it twice

lone junco
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More like cast sequence then

strange python
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What trinket is it

delicate root
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GC

strange python
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Why bind it to Vendetta

lone junco
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My /use GC. /use juju /cast exang goes off. At once.

arctic isle
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i couldnt think of a worse trinket to have bound to any ability

strange python
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Yeah

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My plumage is fire-and-forget so I dgaf about it

rustic onyx
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Got a 345 galecaller and 370 dice that sim 0,1 % different . Should i use the dice in m+ because of movement/kiting meaning i won't be always in it / will have to delay it for optimal staying in it

strange python
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Just put it with Vendetta

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But GC is different

lone junco
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Vendetta is not a bad time for GC. Cause you only need the last 1tick of haste to snap on exang.

delicate root
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^

arctic isle
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yes but gc u cant move

strange python
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Sometimes you want to Vendetta while moving^

lone junco
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Movement is why I snap GC to exang now. So it lands and I don't have to yell.

strange python
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you can't hold Vendetta and GC forever for that perfect burst opportunity in a boss fight sometimes

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You can get royally screwed sometimes

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loads of RNG mechanics that require you to GTFO of melee

lone junco
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I hope the GC juju works out well. 47% haste non lust.

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It's a little loss on sim. But it's not syncing that well.

strange python
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looked at my APL

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It wants me doing G-R-G-Vend+Trinket-Mut-Rupture-Exsang like I suspected

arctic isle
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patch 8.1 prob on ptr in a week or two

severe niche
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seige 13

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legit impossible to +1 this week

strange python
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Is it worth going Mut-Mut-Envenom and then hold it until EP is almost running out?

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My APL is just spamming that shit

severe niche
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yes

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thats what your suppose to do

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pooling yo

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i do that at least

strange python
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Why is the APL going 1 sec between each cast

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then

severe niche
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ep overall uptime is more damage

strange python
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It's literally spamming mut mut env

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1 sec intervals

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losing 1 sec of EP each time it does that right

lone junco
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Env during vendetta is important.

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30k crits.

strange python
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True

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But going OOE and lacking EP during empowered garrote must be worse

lone junco
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Maybe.

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Can look at high log parses and pick apart ep windows.

strange python
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like

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It goes OOE during the second empowered garrote

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There's a sequence where it reapplies Rupture at 34 secs

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goes mut mut at 35 and 36 secs

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then envenoms at 40 secs

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so 2 secs of 0 EP

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Guess pumping out more Env during Vendetta is worth it

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than going OOE during a slow tick empowered garrote

tawny shell
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im not sure if holding exsang for each GC is worth or not

strange python
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Check your APL maybe?

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Although I'm sitting here criticising it lol

tawny shell
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ye

strange python
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Wow

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My APL is also not giving a fuck about reapplying garrote for exsang

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It garrotes at 41 secs

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Ruptures at 50

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Exsangs right after

fast nacelle
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which is fine i guess?

strange python
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Yeah it should be

fast nacelle
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no need to reapply garrote

strange python
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But Noobe was saying you want garrote up more too

fast nacelle
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however if its close to pademic

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id spend a global on it

strange python
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But garrote outside subt+ss sucks anyway

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Yeah I do too

fast nacelle
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or at 4cp on mid duration

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it might be worth it for 5 cp.. or maybe its always 5 cp`?

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dont even know 😄

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if you always max cp.. atm i dont waste cps

strange python
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But 41 secs -> 51 secs is ~3 secs from Pandemic

fast nacelle
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well mathematically prob still not worth

strange python
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and the APL does not refresh

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yeah

fast nacelle
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but refreshing prob

strange python
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Garrote fucking stinks outside SS Subt

fast nacelle
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will be ~0%

lone junco
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Noobe was saying that non empowered garrote is relatively shit.

fast nacelle
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@lone junco do i always exsang with max cp?

strange python
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ok noobe

lone junco
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4+

fast nacelle
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kk

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thats how i do it.. wasnt sure tho now thinking of it lol

strange python
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whaddya meah

fast nacelle
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prob garrote at ~8-9s lefgt

strange python
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mean*

fast nacelle
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for 5 cp

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isnt that shabby

lone junco
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In vanish NS 6cp rupture. But garrote is dmg now.

strange python
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Btw

fast nacelle
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yeah

strange python
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I think if you go Mut Mut

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And end up at 4 cp

fast nacelle
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you mean 5 cp

strange python
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With garrote close to pandemic

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and you're about to exsan

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THEN you want to garrote

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to bump your CP to 5

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then exsang

fast nacelle
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yes

lone junco
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Gotta get me 35 crit.

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Life will be better.

strange python
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The APL was counting it as if it got 5 CP from Mut

fast nacelle
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refreshing with 3-5s over pademic

strange python
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I'll try to see how it acts when it only gets 4

fast nacelle
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for 5 cp rupture

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wont be too bad for sure.. i do that cause it feels right

lone junco
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Afk. Game of thorns.

strange python
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Yeah I round it off usually

fast nacelle
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not like it rly matters anyway

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the ones outside of your cd

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arent that impactful anyway

strange python
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hm

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Yeah

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APL also goes with 5 CP into Vanish

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Ruptures out of stealth

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Then goes Garrote Garrote

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Hard to do that when you can't perfectly predict you'll have 5 CP for Vanish

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I prefer going Mut for 2cp->Vanish->Garrote->Rupture->Garrote->Exsang

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That guarantees a 5 CP rupture for exsang and a double garrote

fast nacelle
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idk depends on dots and cp

strange python
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well yeah

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if you have 5CP and it's all off CD why not

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Seems stupid to envenom then

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vanish

fast nacelle
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like..when i have low garrote anyway

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sometimes i just do

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opener

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vanish garrote rup garrote vendetta mut rup exsang

strange python
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Garrote->Rupture->Garrote->Mut->Rupture->Vend->Exsang?

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oh sorry yeah

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vend before mut

fast nacelle
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yea

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since your rupture already does choo choo dmg

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*garrote

strange python
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yeah

warm geode
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!ss

fast nacelle
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if rup runs out

prisma monolithBOT
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Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

fast nacelle
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i ll make sure to have it in pademic

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then vanish garrote garrote vendetta sup exsang

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it rly doesnt make big difference

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depends on how your current cp and dot timers are

strange python
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Yeaho fc

fast nacelle
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as long as you dont mess it up

strange python
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If you have a rupture up

devout moth
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
strange python
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You can just do what I do

fast nacelle
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you can also do what a friend of mine did
vanish rupture exsang

strange python
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Since you want a 5CP rupture as early as poss then

fast nacelle
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cause he thought we are still in legion

strange python
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lol

fast nacelle
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and plays with NS

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im like - wellp..

strange python
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LOL

fast nacelle
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im done

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he asked me what im playing.. i said bleed with exsang

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he was like: alright i can do that

strange python
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TB was better in Antorus though

fast nacelle
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and he did..

strange python
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lol

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He underestimated the power of BfA Garrote

fast nacelle
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i overestimated his IQ

slender smelt
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is darkmoon deck : fathoms worth now? it was bis before but how come did it hit almost bottom at bloodmallet?

strange python
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because it cant be ilvl 400

wide dew
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is it better to run elab planning or master poisoner?

severe niche
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elab

magic fossil
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can i play exan with 2 traits of garrote only?

strange python
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yes

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sim

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though

atomic karma
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yo guys with aoe rotation

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after garrot x3

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do i ct straight away?

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then rupture stuff

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then exsang

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or get rupture on main target then exsang then continue rupturing everything else

red fiber
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After G - R - G - Vend - Mut - R - Exsang, do you follow up with Mut - Mut - Env or Vanish - G - G - Env

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?

mighty venture
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Vanish g g env when garrote fades

ripe dock
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Wouldn't it be funny if blizzard nerf assa before fixing ss

candid phoenix
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no it wouldnt :/

tacit plinth
arctic isle
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theres no reason to nerf

ripe dock
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Probably won't get nerfed because making abilities work is hard

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Beta btw

slender smelt
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sin is good but not nerf-now good

ripe dock
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5% tho

arctic isle
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5% wat tho

lone junco
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@atomic karma ggg Ct. or ggg r. Really depends on prio. And mob count. I would rather ggg Ct vendetta mut mut rupture exang. ...Vanish ggg

slender smelt
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sub got nerfed because it's mostly just two-button cycle to reach 20k dps

atomic karma
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ok ty sir

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do i even ct

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on single tareget

strange python
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WOW Cayenne

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How rude

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Sub's nerf was undeserved

wide dew
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whats the basic rotation? i keep looking but it seems to be something different everywhere i go

strange python
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To do a stealth nerf on BitS was just mega rude as well by Blizz

ripe dock
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@13 did you read pins?

strange python
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Also, if ease of play should be connected to DPS, shouldn't Havoc be trash and Spriest top-tier?

lone junco
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I'm looking forward to stacked mastery crit.

ripe dock
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It's pretty much best unless u read apis

strange python
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Yet it's the other way around

lone junco
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For m+

ripe dock
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I was assa for taloc mythic. Context: played assa legion and wotlk

tulip wedge
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
ripe dock
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Was outlaw since bfa

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Holy shit tried one m+ as assa and asked lock to port me back as outlaw

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Assa is so much harder

safe matrix
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Sin is busted in m+ right now

ripe dock
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To track interrupts ect

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At high keys

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Idk

safe matrix
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Shrouded suffocation is extremely strong in m+

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You can sustain 20k dps on three packs and stuff

ripe dock
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But I only have 1x as...

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As*

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Ss*

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Android*

atomic karma
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Do i use crimson tempest

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on st?

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in m+

safe matrix
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No

strange python
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No

atomic karma
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only 2+?

strange python
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Not worth the CP

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Maybe

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3+ 100%

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2+ I'm unsure sometimes

glacial mist
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hey, is any one proficient in assassination pvp here?

strange python
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It's way below getting Rupture on both targets

hidden dome
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dumb question but where is the effect that causes garrote to do additional dmg from stealth located? I thought it showed on the normal garrote tooltip but don't see it

strange python
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No

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It's

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Subterfuge

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A talent

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lvl 30 talent

hidden dome
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ohh it's baked into subterfuge for assa

strange python
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And it's Shrouded Suffocation, an Azerite trait

hidden dome
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ok knew i was missing it somewhere

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yeah subter was the part i was missing, couldn't remember where it came from

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ty

strange python
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Ye

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That's why Shrouded Suffocation is in effect for more garrote casts

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Because those 3 secs count as "stealth"

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like Shadow Dance

hidden dome
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ya

strange python
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kinda

atomic karma
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do i fan on 2+ targets

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for 3

strange python
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But I'll be nice

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3+

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Mut at 2

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There's no point FoKing at 2 really if you think about it

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You'll average much less CP generated and you'll deal similar damage

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It'd be like using Shuriken Storm during Shadow Dance on 2 targets

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not worth

solemn wigeon
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wonder why mr robot thinks lustrouus goblin plummage is bis trinket

strange python
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Cuz AMR sucks lul

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I have Golden Plumage haha

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It's an OK trinket I think

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Wish it was bis

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Really low maintenance to use

supple compass
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with a 'bm hunter and a mage, would it be better to go ct or pb

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like are they enough aoe

rocky ravine
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What am i missing, when I fan on 3+ sometimes i get 1 Combo others i get more, is it legit just random or am i missing something

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i couldnt see it anywhere ingame tooltips n the likw

remote raven
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Crits generate combo points

round harbor
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Who the hell still using AMR in 2018 lmao. Same type of person who uses mumble probly

remote raven
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So when fok crits multiple times youll get more combo points

rocky ravine
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aah ok, explains a heap tyvm

remote raven
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Np

vapid flint
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Is it worth it to upgrade an azerite peice to 325 if it means giving up a shrouded trait?

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My current peice is 310

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Okay

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Thanks

rain breach
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Go warfront and get 340 gear

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Than go m0 for azerite

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Freehold, underroot and shrine, or get 355 worldboss head

paper niche
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Anyone got some advice for my on how to sim my rogue for mythic+ dungeons?

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me*

lone junco
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Shrine has an SS hat

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6T 40s no buff. 1t 20s prio. 1t2min boss.

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Gl.

woeful moth
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Do I just spam garrote on open?

lone junco
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3x

woeful moth
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Like spam 3 tines

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Yeah

lone junco
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Depends.

woeful moth
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Does that just stack dmg?

lone junco
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No.

woeful moth
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With ss

lone junco
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Read the guide.

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1t 2t 3t 6t. 100t varies.

atomic karma
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is crimson tempest even worth running

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esp on tyran week

round harbor
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I do

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Most dungeons trash is still more dangerous than bosses

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In my experience atleast

lone junco
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Ct. Depends on pull count not tyr tbh.

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But that's from seli and muscle. I do lower keys like 5-7

atomic karma
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shit like kings rest

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surely not wroth

round harbor
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I do 8-10s and CT is still worth. Kings rest is the exception

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Almost pure 2-3 target the entire time

atomic karma
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master poison

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or elaborate

round harbor
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Elaborate

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You can have near 100% uptime in your empowered garrote windows

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Partially why it's so strong

atomic karma
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with envenom do yiou guys try auto different shit till poison applies

strange python
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what do you mean

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for multiple targets fok will spread the poison

terse pawn
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usually you'd have poisons on other stuff unless it's like 2 target cleave

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and even then you'd ideally have poisons on already

strange python
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lul

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triple garrote on ST opener

blissful hull
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
supple compass
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do you guys switch between pb and ct on high m+ depending on the como

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comp

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or just ct

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for example im running with a dh and frost mage

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so im considering pb

flint fable
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comp & dungeon matters

supple compass
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waycrest 10

flint fable
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the way ive pulled, either can be good there, imo PB though

prime void
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liav you around

red fiber
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Any PvP oriented guides for Sin?

wraith mesa
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sup all

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i have some issue with my rogue atm and i dont see my mistake

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i'll explain de issue is some1 is there xD

strange python
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have you read the guide? do you have logs?

wraith mesa
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the *

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yea

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my guild always log raids

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i read alot of guide

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i think i have issue with multitarget

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by the time i apply my bleed garrot add is already half dead sometime ... 3/4

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and i lost alot of dps

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i'll link log brb in a sec

silent scaffold
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with the reorigination array on archive of the titans is that better than 3 stacking the shrouded suffocation?

strange python
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What boss

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are you struggling with

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Kenshiro

wraith mesa
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actually, i think i can do better on every bosses

strange python
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Well

wraith mesa
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but i'm looking for vectis atm

strange python
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Let's look at your ST first

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ok I'll look at Vectis too

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Well on Vectis

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It's hard

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Since the add is high prio

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So all the good target switch classes just nuke it before we can get dots on it

wraith mesa
#

yea i do switch on it but a mate told me i should be first on this boss lol and he says my garrot is not 100% uptime maybe his right but i'm not sure

strange python
#

Do you have SS

wraith mesa
#

yea

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2x SS head and chest if i'm correct

strange python
#

Your opener is wrong then

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For ST

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Did you read the guide?

#

You mustn't've since your opener is not in line with the guide

terse pawn
#

GRGVMG

strange python
#

Yeah

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His opener is

wraith mesa
#

srry i'm not familiar with accronyme 😦

strange python
#

GMRVendTbMMEnvMM

terse pawn
#

ah

strange python
#

All wrong with SS

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Kenshiro

terse pawn
#

Garrote > Rupture > Garrote > Vendetta > Mutiliate > Rupture > Exsang

strange python
#

Your opener on Vectis

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Was

terse pawn
#

is what SS opener is

strange python
#

Garrote > Mutilate > Rupture > Vendetta > Toxic Blade > Mutilate x 2 > Envenom

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You need to do what Czerny wrote

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That will make your opener much stronger already

severe niche
#

uh what

strange python
#

He is running toxic blade btw

severe niche
#

you always double garrote bro

strange python
#

Dude

#

Scroll up

severe niche
#

garrote rupture garrote

strange python
#

Before you comment

#

I looked at his logs

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That was what his opener was

severe niche
#

if your taking subterfuge

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you awlays

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doubel

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garrote

spring prawn
#

no

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you dont

strange python
spring prawn
#

garrote > rupture > garrote

strange python
#

Yeah ofc

spring prawn
#

is the correct supterfuge opener

strange python
#

lol

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Garrote > Garrote ???? for opener?

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Nah

severe niche
#

what talent is he taking then

#

wdf

strange python
#

He is sub

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with SS

severe niche
#

oh

#

why the

strange python
#

His opener is just shit

severe niche
#

fuck

#

are

#

you

#

talkign about sub

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in ass channel them

#

then*

spring prawn
#

he is sin

#

sub = subterfuge

strange python
#

Yeah

#

lol

wraith mesa
#

😮

severe niche
#

im so confuzed by this ape talk

strange python
#

Wtf don't jump in here

wraith mesa
#

i'm sin dont worry lol

strange python
#

I'm trying to help him

spring prawn
#

ey kenshiro

#

you need way more haste

#

get haste enchants

strange python
#

Yeah but his rotation needs to be fixed first

spring prawn
#

haste helps ALOT with adds aswell

strange python
#

It's Vectis

atomic karma
#

yo guys

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so am i supposed to save vendetta

#

for when vanish is up

spring prawn
#

yes

strange python
#

If the other DPS are doing their job the add is dead almost instantly

wraith mesa
#

i'm an old sin rogue to be honest and was playing DH in legion and before that we wasnt using submerfuge so yea didnt know i had to double G

strange python
#

You go

atomic karma
#

so what is rotation for when i have vendetta up

#

and vanish on li ke 10 sec cd

strange python
#

Garrote > Rupture > Garrote

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triple SS, you should sim Exsang

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You hold Vendetta

terse pawn
#

wait for vanish

strange python
#

^

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Also btw

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@wraith mesa Don't use Fan of Knives

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When there's only 2 targets

#

Like on Vectis

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don't mutilate at 4 cp which you did a few times

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He vanishes pretty late too

wraith mesa
#

yea i already know i dont have to do it at 4 cp

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i'm already working on that

strange python
#

good good

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tbh

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Sort your opener

spring prawn
#

most important thing tho

wraith mesa
#

before we were stacking extra combo point xD

strange python
#

try not to spend cp on rupture during toxic blade, but don't let rupture fall off

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That is the biggest thing

spring prawn
#

currently is, that you let your SS garrote wear off before you apply new garrote

strange python
#

And your Vanish re-opener too

spring prawn
#

if u put non SS buffed garrote on 4th target, while 3 have your buffed one, your 3 buffed ones loose SS buff

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its bugged

strange python
#

Yeah

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And never use garrote on 1 target while you still have SS garrote up

#

Always let all your SS garrotes tick out

#

Then normal garrote

wraith mesa
#

kk

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and when i use Vanish

strange python
#

Depends a bit

wraith mesa
#

i should go G-R-G again

spring prawn
#

always use vanish with vendetta

strange python
#

You can go G-R-G but it totally depends

#

If you have rupture up before vanish

#

How many CP you have

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etc

#

If you have rupture up

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and 5 CP

terse pawn
#

sin too hard these days i'm going back to sub

strange python
#

on your fetid devourer kill, garrote had a 76% uptime and rupture 84%. Don't ever let your dots fall off

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You go Vanish->Rupture->Garrote->Garrote->Vendetta

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Then exsang if you run it

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Vanish re-opener is very flexible

hollow wren
#

Guys, guys, seriously

wraith mesa
#

kk

hollow wren
#

people are holding 30k+ dps on this

spring prawn
#

vanish before vendetta?

strange python
#

you're worried about opener, when he can't keep his dots up

hollow wren
#

btw can I post links?

#

I am sorry I will delete if its against the rules

strange python
#

Yeah you could vendetta before vanish too

#

it probably is friend

jovial vault
#

There all playing sub

sick monolith
#

whats the haste cap brothers?

jovial vault
#

And ST boss with SS

spring prawn
#

@hollow wren whats thois

hollow wren
#

meant something el

jovial vault
#

Wildcard gamings zul prog

spring prawn
#

oh lol

hollow wren
#

se

strange python
#

Huh?

wraith mesa
#

i lost Rupture and Garrot when i switch on the add and re-apply dots when i switch back on the bos

strange python
#

The rogues are all sub ofc

arctic isle
#

ofc you would play sub on zul

strange python
#

For max Zul damage

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I play Sub on Zul!

#

anything else is peabrain

#

ummm

#

its that ok ?

#

mastery > agi ? XDDD

#

That's a good sim for ilvl

#

yeah

#

only 0.38% of your damage was to the add

#

If that's what you sim as

#

Eat Mastery food LOL

wraith mesa
#

you're looking which boss connor

#

vectis ?

strange python
#

I must enchant mastery ? XDD

#

Vectis probably

#

fetid

#

ah Fetid

wraith mesa
#

we were talking about vectis lol

strange python
#

Yeah but it's good if he looks at other logs too

#

Tbh

wraith mesa
#

yea i know xD

strange python
#

yeah you let your dots fall off on single target. they should have 99% uptime.

#

You need to get better at the basics before thinking about esoteric boss mechanics

#

Dot uptime

#

Opener

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Vanish maximizing

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Not overcapping CP

upbeat creek
#

Why do legacy raids have 1 week lockout I just want green t16

strange python
#

Those are your big problems atm

keen meteor
#

If my team8 use skill during Shroud of Concealment, will they out of stealth ?

wraith mesa
#

kk

strange python
#

Read the guide again

wraith mesa
#

i think i'll install weakaura

strange python
#

haha

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Yeah

#

You should

wraith mesa
#

so i'll be able to track my dots

strange python
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
strange python
#

Try importing one of these

wraith mesa
#

like i said... didnt play rogue since WoD so i'm rusty :/ lol

strange python
#

Rogue is very different now anyway

spring prawn
#

never used WAs

strange python
#

At least how Sin plays

spring prawn
#

bleed timers are in my blood

#

;D

strange python
#

lul

#

It's good for pandemic

#

Since it tells you when you're within pandemic too

wraith mesa
#

fpr the WA all of them are good or you have a suggestion lol

#

for*

strange python
#

Whatever strikes your fancy

#

they're all decent

spring prawn
#

@strange python what do u mean, pandemic is 3s before they run out isnt it

wraith mesa
#

i'll talk with you guys more often i think. Its pretty helpfull atm

strange python
#

LOL

#

No Silence

spring prawn
#

like, when u refresh 3s before

strange python
#

It's 30%

#

of the dot timer

spring prawn
#

ye 3s

strange python
#

???????????????????????????

#

Are all our dots 10s now+

spring prawn
#

well, maybe 5 then :D

strange python
#

????????????????????????????????????????????????????

#

What about rupture

#

you can get 32s ruptures in the opener

#

It's 5.4 for a normal garrote btw

spring prawn
#

waaait

#

sec, i need dummy lel

strange python
#

30%

#

not 3 secs

#

Your garrote is like 24 secs on opener too

#

Before you exsang dat shit and go boom

spring prawn
#

32 ye

#

u right

#

well im pulling 30k in opener, all good x)

strange python
#

lol

#

40K or bust

junior aurora
#

Just think

#

Youcould be pulling 31k!

spring prawn
#

:O

strange python
#

45-50K opener on G'huun ok!

#

ecks dee

#

padding hard

spring prawn
#

im talking ST :D

strange python
#

I know lol

spring prawn
#

we where doing ghuun heroic last week

strange python
#

Garrote everything

spring prawn
#

and i was padding his "mouth" thing during 100% phase

strange python
#

lol

spring prawn
#

everyone was like "wtf is this rogue dmg", hilarious af :D

strange python
#

G'huun opener is so satisfying

wraith mesa
#

i'm curious, just because i never tryed and never took the time to verify.... when you double G ... the dmg stack or its only refresh the duration ?

strange python
#

You get 30% of the 1st one's duration

spring prawn
#

it gives you longer garrote

strange python
#

So a normal length garrote is 18s

#

18*0.3=5.4

spring prawn
#

23

strange python
#

When you use it again

#

taking into account delay due to GCD

severe niche
#

Pandemic this term relates to reapplying buffs/debuffs. When a debuff (like garrote) is refreshed, its remaining time (up to a cap of 30% max duration, so 18x0.3=5.4s for garrote) will be added to the new buff. Primarily used to give leeway to reapply bleeds, however can also be used to make bleeds last longer.

strange python
#

And the rupture

#

Yeah

#

23-23.4 or something

spring prawn
#

im never gonna have agi main stat

strange python
#

And since a Shrouded Suffocation Garrote is so strongh

spring prawn
#

is staying haste forever

strange python
#

You want it lasting as long as possible

spring prawn
wraith mesa
#

okay

strange python
#

haste boi

spring prawn
#

im a quick boi

junior aurora
#

What % haste you at?

spring prawn
#

15

#

just got my harlans dice

#

POGGER

vivid umbra
#

I can equip up to 16-17% haste, but when I sim it tells me to revert back to 12% - should i just say f the sim and equip a couple extra haste items?

junior aurora
#

Harlans dice? Get yourself a galecallers boon

spring prawn
#

not too sure how to sim the chest without being in uldir

cobalt flame
#

If u play Exsanguinate + Crimson Tempest , do you use exs with rupture + garrote only or you want to add tempest before that ? couldnt find answer anywhere

spring prawn
#

depends

#

if ure pulling boss

#

you cant really delay ur garrote too long

#

but if u wanna exsang aoe u can do it

wraith mesa
#

Was trying on a dummy wut you were telling me earlier

cobalt flame
#

is it even worth using tempest on single target?

wraith mesa
#

the Double GG is awesome lol

cobalt flame
#

on boss fights?

tight meteor
#

do you delay exang for galecallers?

wraith mesa
#

i was wondering something

#

i do not play with Exang atm

#

i'm playing TB

#

when you R is about to run out... do you re-apply R only with 4-5 CP or you can Re-apply with any amount of CP ?

daring imp
#

@lone junco can't pad h ghunn deeps on 1st phase, raid dmg too good, the eyes drop very quickly, fml

cobalt flame
#

I was running tons of +10-+12 dungeons today with toxic blade + poison bomb. Just wondering how much dps i am losing in dungeons by not running exs + tempest

junior aurora
#

Probably none

spring prawn
#

exsang is nuts

#

crimson tempest*

junior aurora
#

Yeah but its tyrannical week, poison bomb better st

cobalt flame
#

so basically , for tyrannical im fine with tb + bomb , but for fortified weeks it is probably better to go exs + tempest just to deal easier with trash pakcs?

lone junco
#

@daring imp run with shutters and there is plenty of stuff to kill.

spring prawn
#

i mean... when u do +12 and stuff, trash lives sooooo long anyways

#

not sure if i would drop tempest

cobalt flame
#

well depends on group i guess , atm , we are mostly running with havoc and beast mastery. We have pretty decent trash clear. Even without tempest.

junior aurora
#

Really depends on the comp

#

Then yeah PB is fine if you dont need ale

#

Aoe

#

Personally id go ct just bc it feels nice lol

tight meteor
#

@lone junco do you delay exang for galecallers?

cobalt flame
#

is it viable to go toxic blade without poison bomb ?

junior aurora
#

And we all know dps is a feeling

spring prawn
#

im always running exsang

#

easier to manage xd

junior aurora
#

Lol i feel like tb is easier to manage bc its a fire and forget cd

spring prawn
#

dont u have to keep ur envenoms up anymore?

#

for the buffs

junior aurora
#

Toxic blade on cd now

spring prawn
#

damn

junior aurora
#

But you would probably have envenom up anyway

loud niche
#

is sin now simming higher than sub

#

?

spring prawn
#

ofc lol

#

untill wednesday

loud niche
#

what's wednesday?

spring prawn
#

well nothing confirmed yet

#

but would be surprising if they dont nerf ss

loud niche
#

ss? shadow strike?>

junior aurora
#

I hope not

#

Shrouded suffocation

spring prawn
#

shrouded suffocation

junior aurora
#

Just buff other traits

terse pawn
#

do you guys go exsang in mythics too

cobalt flame
#

i play outlaw/ass , they already nerfed my outlaw trait ... dont tell me they will nerf assa trait now too GWmythiFeelsBadMan

terse pawn
#

i would be extremely surprised if SS didn't get a nerf, considering what Ion was talking about in the AMA

alpine hedge
#

you bet they will

junior aurora
#

Lol but outlaw deadshot is still great

spring prawn
#

ofc its still good

#

but assa is just nuts

terse pawn
#

outlaw is still pretty great in cleave

alpine hedge
#

its good because everything else sucks

#

in comparison

junior aurora
#

Snake eyes

alpine hedge
#

SNEK

junior aurora
#

Sims just as high

stone pilot
#

wtb blizz focusing on fixing the bug instead of nerfing the trait

terse pawn
#

sims just as high as what

junior aurora
#

Deadshot

terse pawn
#

oh snek

junior aurora
#

Theyre within like .5% of eachother

terse pawn
#

literally snooze build

frosty oak
#

whats more accurate, hero damage or bloodmallet?

alpine hedge
#

simin' yoself is more accurate

tired helm
#

shroud stacking not work anymore? or is it only the damage from it that stacks

unborn knot
#

only damage

#

always been like that

faint plume
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
gray citrus
#

anyone have any idea of what theyre gonna nerf with rogues.. again

undone cairn
#

they said something?

gray citrus
#

yeah in the ama

alpine hedge
#

the usual global 3-5% and then probably 20-40% trait

gray citrus
#

ah

#

so rip sin? or not that bad

alpine hedge
#

historically accurate

civic palm
#

If anything we're not getting an aura nerf.

#

Too much of our DMG at the moment is coming from a clear source.

alpine hedge
#

blizzard known for nerfing the wrong things

gray citrus
#

yeah the garrote traits are nasty

grim mason
#

hey how can i set my WA for poison to show with 5 mins remaining

undone cairn
#

refreshing a bleed during exsang doesn't break it right

junior aurora
#

It does

undone cairn
#

oh

#

uh

#

shit

junior aurora
#

Do not refresh during exsg

#

Wait until they run out

civic palm
#

but 300 and not 600.

undone cairn
#

mistakes have been made

#

rip

junior aurora
#

Lol i have a weakaura that shows pandemic range for rupture and i curse everytime i refresh bc of it if exsg was up

grim mason
#

Ahh thanks @civic palm

undone cairn
#

ive been refreshing it this whole time

#

god damn it

junior aurora
#

Yeah it gets rid of like half your damage too lol

undone cairn
#

did you setup the WA yourself?

junior aurora
#

No and i have no clue where its from

undone cairn
#

god dayum

junior aurora
#

I downloaded like a sub wa one day and it had a bunch of sin shit attached lol

civic palm
spring laurel
#

is exsg better than TB? I feel TB is better cause u get 1 CP (2 if it crits) which i feel is more helpful, plus less energy and less cd time.

junior aurora
#

My empowered garrotes tick down with green numbers

distant vale
#

Oh shit, that would be fantastic.

junior aurora
#

And exsang literally has the word EXSANG above rupture

#

If i use it

spring laurel
#

I feel exsg is only good for the opener

#

but TB has better sustainability

wheat zealot
#

14k we made it boys

primal gazelle
sleek iron
junior aurora
#

What traits you using dayv

wheat zealot
#

He only has x1 ss

primal gazelle
#

ss, laser and poison

wheat zealot
#

Thats probably why your sim is so low

junior aurora
#

There you go

primal gazelle
#

i could get 2 ss, downgrade my helm to 340 but that sims even less lol

junior aurora
#

Get rid of poison

primal gazelle
#

it sims the highest tho

#

385 piece

junior aurora
#

Whats the neutral on it?

peak saffron
#

crimson tempest in m+ or ? I just feel like I'm not putting out enough AoE

junior aurora
#

Ct pretty good

nimble tartan
#

there's no other option for sin in +

#

ct is required

primal gazelle
#

Unstabled Flames is the netural

#

which is also trash

bleak jungle
#

What's our best weapon enchant generally atm?

peak saffron
#

hmm idk what I'm doing wrong. spreading garrotes in opener on packs, getting Exsan up on priority targets, then FoK into CT'ing

junior aurora
#

Are you garroting 4 in a row?

#

Bc theres a bug where after subterfuge falls off the ss buff will drop from all targets if you use another garrote

#

So packs of 6 ill garrote x3 vanish garrote x3

peak saffron
#

ahh okay

#

saw that bug, didn't apply it

junior aurora
#

Make sure you’re using rupture too

#

Use CT when its about to expire otherwise use rupture on targets that will live long enough

peak saffron
#

rupture on bigger, more health targets, right?

undone cairn
#

ya

peak saffron
#

oh okay

junior aurora
#

Thats what i do

undone cairn
#

ones that will live the full duration

peak saffron
#

thanks guys

undone cairn
#

pretty much

junior aurora
#

Though sometimes when i feel like being lazy ill just spam ct lol

haughty flame
#

whats better for m+ (dont say sim urself) i want a logical answer
2x SS 340 ilvl 1x SS 370
or 1x340 ilvl 1x 370ilvl SS (2xSS) and 1 385(mastery trait)

#

"2x SS 340 ilvl 1x SS 370" sims 14.2k

daring imp
#

m+, 3x SS are the king no matter what

haughty flame
#

"or 1x340 ilvl 1x 370ilvl SS (2xSS) and 1 385(mastery trait)" sims 14.7k

#

so 3x

daring imp
#

the more you have, the better it is for m+

#

constant resets between packs

#

can't top that

haughty flame
#

ok

#

and for raiding

#

ill take my other set

daring imp
#

for raiding, simming is the way to go

haughty flame
#

2x SS + 1x mastery

grim mason
#

!sin

daring imp
#

'cuz you can trully do the raiding scenario on a sim

haughty flame
#

due to 45 ilvl increase

daring imp
#

but for any m+, having more SS's are indisputably king

grim mason
#

someone drop the command for sin rotation please

daring imp
#

rotation or opener?

grim mason
#

openere

junior aurora
#

Check the pins

daring imp
#

i think it's on the guide

grim mason
#

kk found em

junior aurora
#

Bc it changes depending on TB or exsang

haughty flame
#

i really dont know hot to use exsang

#

i am jsut to TB

#

this is my 3x SS

ember ermine
#

whats the rotation after the opener

pearl steppe
#

just maintain your dots i think

junior aurora
#

Yeah

pearl steppe
#

and then vanish repeat when the boosted garrote wears off

#

try to get the shrouded suffocation azerite trait

#

it's sooooooo good

ember ermine
#

i have x3 SS

pearl steppe
#

and make sure ur using subterfuge

#

wow nice

#

i just lost mine 😦

daring imp
#

wut

ember ermine
#

355,340,370 piece

pearl steppe
#

my SS was on a 325 piece

daring imp
#

oh

#

lul

pearl steppe
#

had to say goodbye

#

in the arms of an angel...

daring imp
#

i'd still save it for m+ tho

#

don't throw away

pearl steppe
#

how does that work?

#

by chance I didn't actually scrap it yet

#

lazyness prevails?

daring imp
#

you switch the piece to have 3x SS when doing any m+

pearl steppe
#

whaaaaaaaaa

daring imp
#

and switch back to the good simmable ones for raiding

pearl steppe
#

this is the first im hearing of this

haughty flame
ember ermine
#

you only exsg during opener, right? or

daring imp
#

you know how strong 3x SS is so you should know giving up all that damage on ANY trash pack opening for m+ is definitely suspicious

#

you try to use exs always on CD

pearl steppe
#

I don't use exsang personally

daring imp
#

setting up beforehand a decent pandemic range if you can, if not, just reapply 4~5cp rup/gar and you gucci

spring laurel
#

So exsang is better than Toxic Blade?

pearl steppe
#

but yeah i would assume u want to use it cause it lets ur bleeds fall off

#

so u can bleed again

#

i use toxic blade

daring imp
#

depends on secondaries

pearl steppe
#

but mostly cause i like pressing buttons

ember ermine
#

ongbak you cool if i dm you questions?

pearl steppe
#

which is why I'm using MFD over vigor too...

daring imp
#

yea sure

spring laurel
#

@daring imp what do you mean?

daring imp
#

not having vigor for assassination is trully hell on earth

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@spring laurel exs started simming higher than TB for me after i got more haste

pearl steppe
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TR UUEEEE

spring laurel
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what is your haste at?

pearl steppe
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but i like mfd it's such a fun mechanic

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chaining it on dying mobs is so satisfying

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and engaging

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i wish it wasn't on the same line as vigor

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it's a cool interactive part of the playstyle i enjoy

ruby idol
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Having energy to use abilities is also satisfying