absolutely
#assassination
urban storm
haughty vector
whats the go to assa specc ?
poison or bleed ?
strange python
Ion's doing an AMA on reddit btw
urban storm
yep
severe niche
we a partially discussing that
urban storm
6 replies in an hour at 15 min
including hte most recent topic of discussion about how theyre going to nerf all the top end azerite traits
strange python
Oh, sorry. Just jumped in
urban storm
np
the warfront thing is infuriating
"sorry, we have to timegate this because the loot it gives is too good"
severe niche
nerfing all top end traits just lowers raid damage overall
so fights become slightly harder then?
strange python
Better to balance the low-end probably
severe niche
idk if we didnt have dumb fucking beam bugs that was apparently fixed and peopel didnt die wouldnt be an issue
but our mother kill
urban storm
nerfing top end and buffing low end
surreal rivet
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/t6kRbEcF3jHDRXFP42TuSv we did it boys 15k club
severe niche
nerfing traits would shit on prog
spice surge
Thats not the main takeaway from the warfront post though, he said that its primarly so people can actually participate in the different steps and not feel like they missed out
Wether or not you agree is another matter
spice surge
As they always are
urban storm
mythics not obsolete until everyone stops getting their 340 azerite w/ correct traits (most likely soon)
royal lantern
uk that there will always be a ´´op top tier´´trait right? + we talk about the wow subreddit, its full of armchair devolopers that have 0 clue about the game, ofc they cry
severe niche
what dumbfounds me
is that they said they got rid of tier sets because it was overcomplicated and hard to balance
but yet azerite system is 10x harder to balance than that
urban storm
and there's no meaningful way to farm them
severe niche
small brain small indie company btw
urban storm
and they replaced the following systems from legion: Tier Sets, Artifact Weapons, Legendaries
and it's still terribly
terrible
royal lantern
warrior/spriest never using t21 sets cus the t20sets where so much better?
severe niche
i mean thats just bad design on there part
nerf the past tier set
when a new one is released
ez fix
urban storm
which theyve been doing more
royal lantern
if you think its a new thing that some stuff is better, wake up, its alwys been there
severe niche
not denying that
urban storm
no one ever siad that though
spice surge
@severe niche it's very common to get 2 or 4 pieces at the start of a tier and it actually kind of locks down those character slots, it limits your choices. Does not sound like they thought it was too complicated
urban storm
the fact that he siad they created 216 effects
spice surge
They did it so people could get loot from m+ and not feel awful
urban storm
and most are completely horse shit
severe niche
but its personal loot now
so you cant even funnel tier if it was in the game
to certain people
civic palm
@severe niche They've mentioned that they didn't entirely get rid of Tiers because of "complexity" of the tier bonuses, but due to how the previous tier sets interacted with new tiers, and how much of a mess it was getting tier bonus balance right over the past decade or so.
royal lantern
im not trying too go blizz fanboy,but its slowly getting annyoing that people complain about azerite armors, and at the same time say that legendary where sooo great/legion ap system was much better
lilac coral
they both sucked in different ways
civic palm
Most people are comparing Year 2 Legion to Month 1 BfA, just forgetting all the shit.
#off-topic >_>
severe niche
then make the previous tier 'legacy effect' or w/e they do as soon as new tier is released
ez fix
strange python
hello! does any of you guys have a weakaura that shows the Subterfuge/Stealth buffed garrote? a custom lua or something? I uses to have one on my feral for TF buffed bleeds, but i cant figure out how to do it in the rogue 😦
royal lantern
idk wath they did, i remember running maw of souls +2countless times too unlock the passive traits that my class was balanced around
severe niche
no one is progressing in old raid content when i new raid is out
urban storm
i mean they couldn't do it when the immediate next tier is out
prisma monolithBOT
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urban storm
then you couldn't use that tier for the next raid, which is silly
severe niche
wait a few weeks
urban storm
maybe -2
urban storm
or a month or something
severe niche
im not the balance/design team
im sure a respectable indie company like blizzard can come up with something
urban storm
it just seems not well thought out at all
because they took the resources that were in three different systems from legion
royal lantern
and the azerite ap´´farm´´ is not even a real farm, you can be the greatest casual in the world that is onnline for 3 hours in a week, and you allready unlocked the raid traits by now
urban storm
and combined it into one, and it still sucks
spice surge
You guys just conviently forget all the times where the new set bonuses very a lot worse than the previous ones
It felt exactly like azerite does now
Even worse when they nerf the old set bonuses to make the new ones more appealing
urban storm
except you had alternatives
severe niche
ye theres no point hard farming azerite this xpac like ap in legion, thats because they want to decentivise 'the maw of soul key spam' people did at start of legion
smoky niche
What's more important in arena? Twist the Knife or 15 ilvl, 18 Armor, 61 Agility, and 120 Stam?
severe niche
and thats fine since atm the inner 2 rings dont do shit
defensive ring
and +5 ilvl
very minimal upgrades
royal lantern
people just think they need too unlock EVERYTHING until the +5ilvl trait too fully unlock all the stuff, and dont realise that only the 1 trait is actually important, the 5ilvl is for unlucky people that where not able too repleace the piece at this slot for a long time
urban storm
now, you have to farm the correct piece which only drops from 1 spot usually
severe niche
while outter 2 obviously much more important
severe niche
^
royal lantern
the fuck are you doing that you need too farm azerite????
urban storm
imagine if they left it so where it wasn't even tradable
severe niche
azerite gear is going to drop from m+
only way they can fix it atm
have a 4+ key drop 355 ilvl , make a 7+ drop 370 and makes a 10+ drop 385
ez fix
urban storm
or they could just revert the change to M+ cache
civic palm
The obvious problem with turning off previous tier, is when you do it, of course. Since there's no clear answer there the tier is enabled for the entire expansion.
urban storm
and give 1 random azerite item + a random item
civic palm
There is some BLP on the M+ weekly chest > _>
severe niche
so still pretty shit
royal lantern
afk in orgrimar/sw and complain about the system? i have a friend that started the expac fking 1 week ago and his HoA is at 19 allready by doing main story/some wq, do people that complain about azerite ´´farming´´ even play the fking game?
civic palm
Wonder if that fucking works this time.
I do not understand how people are playing this game and at not AP18 by now.
royal lantern
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
severe niche
i dont think people complaining about azerite power farming is the issue
urban storm
im 21.5 and i haven't done a non-emissary WQ in 3 weeks other than champions
spice surge
You get like 300
urban storm
ok yeah ive only done a handful
lone junco
I'm like 19 neck and don't do shit for wq.
royal lantern
thats wath i mean
civic palm
If you are over 21 atm you are ahead of the intended curve.
royal lantern
there is no fking farm, cus you dont need too farm shit
severe niche
i dont think anyone is complaing about farming is it?
i never said that
reddit shit sotrm maby
but those peopel wont even get mythic azerite gear
so
civic palm
Instead of having a cap to where you can get weekly, they just left it open but the rewards:requirement scaling is intended to make you stop at some point.
vast forum
yo assa mains, exsang on CD or save for vendetta?
spice surge
cd
severe niche
The best usage of exsanguinate is to use it on cd with pandemic bleeds, its never worth saving to line up with vendetta unless your final vanish garrote ticks will not fully go off or another type of situational factor, like a priority add or damage increase phase of a raid encounter, its all situational, but for pure patchwork you as close to on cd as possible with pandemic bleeds
royal lantern
dont talk about the wow sub reddit ok, that place is a ultra casual infested hellhole since bfa is out
severe niche
i mean coudl say the same about class discords 😂
royal lantern
´´lol look how easy bm hunter is!!´´ shows a video of a guy pressing random buttons and doing sick 5k dps
severe niche
not this one ofc
civic palm
Ion himself noted that if you are AP18 you have access to every Tier 1 trait, that's where the obvious barrier is atm.
Not being there is asinine at this point in time.
urban storm
the thing that bugs me is that we didnt really get any new abilities or anything comparable for the first time ever
q
fresh nexus
hello one quick question which one should i pick 370 tunic of sanguine deity with laser matrix trait or 340 deathsnap jerkin with SS for m+? with deathsnap jerkin i would be stacking 3 SS
urban storm
the gameplay is functionally identical at 100 and 120
civic palm
It's the first tier in a reset expansion.
severe niche
i would run 2 lazer atm only if i had high ilvl shoulder with it
feelsbad only 1 leather shoulder and shit traits from raid
so it just sits in my bags
verbal sorrel
hmm
hidden dome
i had the same issue and the 370 tunic simmed higher
verbal sorrel
Laser matrix has been 10-12% of my damage
civic palm
The first tier in most expansions are pretty dull, but this is especially poor feeling due to them [correctly] wanting to set a foundation to further build on.
fresh nexus
@verbal sorrel but should i keep choose 340 instead a 370 item? for dungeon?
verbal sorrel
@fresh nexus sim your self
brazen garden
in raid? @verbal sorrel
fresh nexus
which option should i take to sim for m+?
urban storm
yeah im talking about the fact that there's just no new abilities, which i think is thef irst time ever. in legion we got the artifact abilities to replace talents/etc
verbal sorrel
fresh nexus
i dont know much about sim
verbal sorrel
check this zul fight on normal
was testing out traits
your burst is gone
but the sustained damage is great
calm grail
You're saying you had 0 SS there?
verbal sorrel
ye
calm grail
Huh. Not bad. Ilvl of laser pieces?
verbal sorrel
well yeah
severe niche
🤔
verbal sorrel
it's replacable
rain breach
@urban storm i got new abilities, just only in the world
safe matrix
its normal
calm grail
I think SS is probably especially good on bosses with Vuln phases but maybe on bosses without any
verbal sorrel
yeah very true
civic palm
SEEMS FINE
urban storm
how?
civic palm
Different expansion.
civic palm
Same difference.
urban storm
oh thats not current lol
civic palm
l o l
I understand where you confusion might have come from...
Poison Bomb being 3% and all.
calm grail
How are you opening on heroic Zul generally? Normal ST opener or are you treating him like a trash pack? Or single Garrote big bitch then do Zul like normal?
violet spear
ilvl has been doing alot better than stacking SS for me
urban storm
yeah im used to poison bomb being 15%
verbal sorrel
Garrote Bloodhexer + Big guy + zul
civic palm
Depends on if you have been assigned targeting priority.
verbal sorrel
then rupture big guy and boss
civic palm
But yeah it's just more trash for the opener.
verbal sorrel
and start spamming FoK with cds on boss and envenom after each Fok ( if 4-5 cps)
violet spear
my guild just burns zul and passively cleaves the adds
so i basicly do single target rotation
verbal sorrel
yep
you should be doing prio dmg t oboss as assa
and using adds to get energy boost
imo
calm grail
Just thinking how to get close to the normal opener while getting add cleave.
violet spear
we just chain freeze the caster adds so we only get big adds
calm grail
Seems like it would be best to use one of your three garrotes on the big lady then do Zul like normal.
violet spear
i just keep rupture and garrote up on big guy
civic palm
yeah just normal stuff, treat like cleave while focusing your priority target
calm grail
If they're still around when vanish is first used maybe...
I think mine are usually long dead by then
verbal sorrel
yeah you just vanish to get garrote on boss again
there should be no adds when you're using it
you can save vanish if yo ulike
for the hexer+boss
but imo better to use vanish right away
the thing is
calm grail
Yes
verbal sorrel
ah ok then
calm grail
Mages, hunters etc.
verbal pebble
saw the biggest assassination parse on heroic zul
fight have 2 min and 48 seconds
winter gale
Azerok Trnket from motherlode ?
silk sundial
Do you burn the boss before the next hexers spawn? @calm grail
winter gale
Is it any good ?
verbal sorrel
funilly enough method isnt using assa rogues rn
they used a single sub rogue
rogues kinda useless
feelsbadman
winter gale
Its +194 mastery and socket
silk sundial
What fight?
verbal pebble
didn't they use 5 subs on mythic zul?
verbal sorrel
yeah
silk sundial
Yeah
verbal sorrel
wheres assa tho
civic palm
Myth
verbal sorrel
😄
verbal pebble
oh no, we're not part of the 0.1% elite raiding team
civic palm
strategy
silk sundial
Mythrax is a melee killer so it makes sense to limit the rogues
civic palm
Myth is fucking INFURIATING as melee.
verbal sorrel
just cloak it loool 4Head
just ask for spot heals and ignore all mechanics
trust me
spice surge
^
verbal sorrel
works every time 100%
silk sundial
Lol our raid group has 13 melee? People run all over the place, stack and 3-4 people get stuck in orbs
civic palm
JusTunnel
safe matrix
I don't think I've ever been as tilted as I was on mythrax
safe matrix
cause i got the ruin right away every single god damn pull
glacial crypt
Yeah people not using range indications on mythrax is the most infuriating thing
verbal sorrel
we had people spread corruption (those 5 orbs) beneath the boss
they are invisble
like fk man
boreal spoke
Sorry, may be a stupid question: Is garrotte and rupture considered nature damage? Toxic blade buffs them even if cast after?
strange python
no
verbal sorrel
garrote + rupture = physical dmg
urban storm
no physical
glacial crypt
Nah nah
civic palm
They are armor mitigating bleeds/physical damage.
safe matrix
@boreal spoke no, bleeds are physical damage
verbal sorrel
this method strat for stacking visions is cool tho
boreal spoke
So toxic blade just buffs poisons and envenom?
surreal portal
on ToS 1st boss, do I keep my bleeds on both targets and only build up on the one without LS, or do I only keep them on 1 target?
civic palm
and Poison Bomb.
frank shuttle
alright boys, just got myself the galeforce trinket, when do i use it during the opener?
strange python
hassi i hate you
verbal sorrel
after you use toxic blade or before
or go right away with it
Usually I let tank place boss
then pop cds with gale
frank shuttle
I'm using exsang
verbal sorrel
if using exsg
strange python
All you have to do is bind it to vendetta
verbal sorrel
then just with vendetta
civic palm
Stack GC with everything else, use GC before EX.
frank shuttle
i farmed the trinket for 16 hours today @strange python
strange python
I'm on hour 9 right now
frank shuttle
365 ilvl, good enough
verbal sorrel
😡 TITTYFORGE 😡
boreal spoke
Cool thanks guys.
silk sundial
How is shrine this week? That last boss sounds like it might be a pain
verbal sorrel
not that bad actually
strange python
its fine
verbal sorrel
just get a disco priest
frank shuttle
need a decent group for sure
strange python
just kite the last boss away from the adds
frank shuttle
I did it with some questionable groups a few times, wiped like 4-5 times with those groups
verbal sorrel
FoK the adds to apply crippling if needed but usually not
strange python
I've found people are having more trouble with the 2nd boss than last
frank shuttle
with some groups we killed the adds, with others we kited
kinda up to the tank if he knew what to do or not
strange python
yup
silk sundial
The 2nd boss? I would think k that boss is easy
strange python
tank makes it
frank shuttle
or if he was confident enough
blind and push back is great as well
as well as crippling
rain breach
So SS hype is over?
strange python
keep having dps die to nados on shrine 2nd
frank shuttle
SS is great, what are u talking about?
strange python
SS is busted OP until something changes
broken fiber
Is this ring any good https://gyazo.com/e87c64bf150f3f31d23cb518e313ee05
verbal sorrel
sim yo sef
strange python
so much vers
silk sundial
According to ion it will most likely get nerfed while others get buffed
strange python
keep it for bg's lol
hidden dome
when did Ion mention SS?
ebon bramble
"too strong traits nerfed"
verbal pebble
not specifically
arctic crow
ion said that?
hidden dome
ahh ok
ebon bramble
SS is one of those too strong traits
knotty quartz
hey guys so im testing my galecallers trinket right now, and my garrotes are essentially doing the same damage regardless of whether i used it or not
verbal pebble
most of his answers, tho... 
strange python
he just said the traits that are CLEARLY better than other traits for a spec are getting nerfed
knotty quartz
should it be working like that?
glacial steppe
btw our tank massgriped the adds into the last boss in shrine
verbal pebble
his answer to the shaman plea was infuriating
glacial steppe
yikers
verbal pebble
right now, my dude
ebon bramble
AMA reddit right now
arctic crow
oh shit
strange python
like 45 minutes ago
ebon bramble
"Where all of this breaks down is when both of the traits on your 370 piece are significantly worse than the ones on your 340 piece. Reducing the number of situations in which that is the case is one of the system team’s top priorities right now. We made hundreds of unique traits for BfA, and 216 spec-specific traits for the outer ring alone. Many of those are undertuned. A handful are overly powerful, to the point that they stomp out the entire decision space for a spec, and the game becomes about getting a piece with one specific trait. We’ll be fixing the outliers on both ends (probably buffing dozens of weaker traits and nerfing a handful of too-strong ones)."
verbal pebble
tbh, fixing the whole trait balance would ease things on the high ilvl azerite gear drought
strange python
i dont mind it at all since I STILL dont have SS shoulders
civic palm
Ion's answers are entirely fine, they cannot talk about specifics because they'd be seen as not giving enough specifics, or spending too much time.
verbal pebble
I would actually equip the 370 pieces i'm hoarding around for a week 
hidden dome
as long as there are buffs elsewhere i don't care
spiral snow
yo guys, is it normal for sub to sim higher than assa for me?
ebon bramble
sub is king
spiral snow
or am I doing something wrong
fallow estuary
abused the trait and got my achievment - now they can nerf it to the ground x)
ebon bramble
unless you have SS
civic palm
There's also a good chance that atm they don't have all of the specifics as to how they are nerfing and buffing 100 of so traits.
strange python
sub sims higher for me but in practice im SHIT at it so
spiral snow
SS?
arctic crow
just feels bad, ive had to jump to every spec
strange python
just play the one you like best dummy
arctic crow
gotta min max bb
strange python
lol
solid sluice
you probably don't though
spiral snow
I am rhaast, was just wondering how stuff goes by ;p
unborn narwhal
which was the site where i can check which trinkets/talents the high m+ rogues are running?
strange python
you'll probably get better min/max by perfecting your rotation on a spec you enjoy
solid sluice
^
verbal pebble
except if you're outlaw
arctic crow
i was planning on maining outlaw
civic palm
Nah just FOTM flip flop until you hate yourself.
unborn narwhal
im only asking, because i still see many people running fathoms
verbal pebble
you can be mediocre with bad rolls and perfect play or an absolute god with good rolls and perfect play
hidden dome
does exsang typically pull ahead of TB at a certain number of SS traits? ilvl breakpoint? or just random and needs to be simmed?
verbal pebble
the RNG is tiring, tho
strange python
@unborn narwhal herodamage.com
verbal pebble
really can't see dead-eye spyglass being better than fathoms in m+
strange python
well it's a 360 spyglass to start
and according to nightly hectic cleave 4 boss 1 minute its better
broken fiber
When is blizz gonna nerf ss
strange python
Soon
broken fiber
They may as well just delete rogues from the game tbh
ionic charm
Rogues are just going to swap from spec to spec until blizz nerfs all Azerite traits and we end up using thunderous blast
civic palm
Deleting Rogues is just their next underhanded method of forcing people to purchase leveling boosts.
strange python
@verbal pebble just simmed again looks like you have excellent intuition https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fPSMizTwwxEJhc45D3J3Sg
verbal pebble
I second-guessed myself because I didn't know how AoE interacts with the spyglass debuff
civic palm
Easy enough to imagine > _>
verbal pebble
the thing is, fathom procs A LOT and looks like it would be better on an AoE clusterfuck
arctic crow
Someone was saying their dmg was the same w/without galecallers before exsang
strange python
its actually fathoms over dice rather than fathoms over deadeye
nimble tartan
@lone junco saw ur @ late but im playing sub so far still, dont see a good sin fight yet tbh
ionic charm
I predict blizzard will nerf ss and buff poison damage and then we have legion all over again
hushed sphinx
fading spade
Is the nerf coming
strange python
we've know it was ccoming lol
severe niche
what nerf tbh
fading spade
They did it to bits and then nerfed sub
civic palm
Also has anyone done testing on using PK as 5CP filler if you have 1+S.Blades?
strange python
Doubt
fading spade
What's a good site to find up to date info. I never seem to find info like that lol
civic palm
Info like what?
severe niche
broken fiber
Man heck it would be nice to garrote 4+ targets without it getting rid of the ss thingo
the dream
vestal venture
with SS on AoE, am i supposed to only 3x garrote from stealth? i mean, yeah u get 3x buffed garrotes but if i garrote a different target without buff, will the previous 3 also drop the buffed dmg?
fading spade
Everyone says the nerf is coming but I find no info or blue posts
plain thistle
civic palm
haha
vestal venture
so ALWAYS only 3x garrote and then let them drop off?
before regular garroting ANYONE else
vestal venture
aight
civic palm
and due to them being modified by haste you should let the final tick hit before refreshing them.
surreal badge
Who called
vestal venture
yeah so letting them fall off really means fall off
civic palm
Was a typo @surreal badge
strange python
my bad
civic palm
Yeah due to the nature of haste rolling dmg into partial ticks, if you are on or near a breakpoint for getting an extra tick you could lose the partial tick that can be up to 99% of the damage of your normal tick.
vestal venture
aight thank you
civic palm
and that partial tick happens at pretty much the same time as the final tick on that DoT.
velvet kernel
anyone else do less damage overall in lower keys?
shrewd tinsel
Why does garrotting a 4th target lower the damage of the 3 targets garotted from stealth?
civic palm
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
civic palm
Bug.
ionic charm
Oh that explains some stuff
civic palm
mmmyeeesssss
verbal sorrel
do you think its possible getting 4 garrotes off in a single subterfuge with enough haste
civic palm
We'd not exist.
calm grail
Imagine if something like SS existed with our ToS set bonus.
civic palm
If not for the Higgs Bugson Field giving us mass.
calm grail
Ooof
civic palm
The Higgs field is a field of energy that is thought to exist in every region of the universe. The field is accompanied by a fundamental particle known as the Higgs boson, which is used by the field to continuously interact with other particles, such as the electron.
It's hilarious.
You... dummy...
grizzled harness
Yup
storm epoch
which traits do you guys run in pvp?
sturdy quest
does anybody have a sim profile for every spec with every talent (viable) or do i need to build it myself?
civic palm
bold steppe
I sexually identify as a pin. From now on, please call me assman
civic palm
📌
calm grail
Hmm. My 370 Archive of the Titans sims better than my 340 SS hood, but I see a ton of streamers running 340 Pieces Just to hit 3 SS. 
I know it's good for trash, but what about tyrannical?
calm grail
Yeah I'm running 2 ATM one of them is 385
unkempt wing
So in a m+ would vs a pack of 4: would i garotte 3 times > exengu or would I dot them all up and them exengu
calm grail
Wonder if I should take the dip on my helm for 3 of them
calm grail
And just toss the 370 helm back on for raid.
wicked abyss
@unkempt wing My guess would be garotte 3 times > Rupture > exengu, but I'm no expert. I would love a youtube video on this.
unkempt wing
Same i wanna be able to do 19k overall dos aswell 🤣🤣
grizzled oak
@verbal pebble Holy shit
kind siren
now I can't decide if I should be farming SS trait pieces or what
verbal pebble
one week at a time
prisma pond
judging by Ions response, SS will get nerfed sooner or later. Seems like they are going to be buffing a lot of the shit ones and adding in more as well. At this time SSx3 is worth it but don't be surprised to find it dethroned in the coming weeks
verbal pebble
wouldn't mind SS being dethroned by some new trait with cool interactions
or current revamped traits
prisma pond
Agreed, if SS dies but we have a nice amount of options to replace it Im cool
arctic isle
u never have options
u use the best trait always
8.1 might bring cool interactive traits but dont count on it
strange python
Is SS still bugged?
civic palm
Yes
prisma pond
I mean as long as getting a 385 piece is an upgrade to a fucking 340 with BiS Id be happy-ish
strange python
Say if I were to garrote 4 targets with subterfuge, and apply 5th normal
The buff drops on all?
distant vale
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
prisma pond
3 is max for buffed garrote
fallow estuary
you can only apply 3x garrotes
prisma pond
if you cast a 4th is kills the buff
strange python
Ok you get what im saying
prisma pond
but yes
prisma pond
its a bug
oh
well
chances are Blizzard isn't exactly sure what causes the bug, and isn't concerned with fixing it because they plan to just nerf the shit out of it anyway
prisma pond
the 11% on the initial bug fix yes, but while SS did not get named specifically, it fall under Ions reply about overpowered traits
prisma pond
GL
prisma pond
"... A handful are overly powerful, to the point that they stomp out the entire decision space for a spec, and the game becomes about getting a piece with one specific trait. We’ll be fixing the outliers on both ends (probably buffing dozens of weaker traits and nerfing a handful of too-strong ones)."
fallow estuary
GL m8
soft shale
doble dose buff inc
fallow estuary
we had luck and got atal dazar 15 x)
civic palm
inc Twist buff
strange python
isnt that bad
civic palm
Right but would removing the Crit limiter break it in PVP?
jovial kite
way better than in pve
civic palm
Thinking of just uptime for PVE considering encounters tend to be longer there.
soft shale
well toxic blade and 2 envenoms while a target is stunned with mfd is fat burst thoerically with twist
flat portal
why do out bis shoulders have to come from an emisary 😦
delicate root
can get SS shoulders from Freehold
arctic isle
they dont really
unless ur a god and dont get hit by overwhelming power
which doesnt happen
surreal rivet
lone plaza
What's the opener for trash in higher mythic+ with CT? Say There's a trash pack of 4/5 mobs, do I garrote 4 of them out of stealth, over capping on CP & then CT or do I garrote 1 to 3 cp, CT and then garrote another one before subterfuge runs out?
delicate root
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
delicate root
@lone plaza ^
lone plaza
Ah ok, ty.
terse pawn
3 garrotes, then ct, the fok into ruptures
delicate root
yeah 1-2cp rupts for energy
lone plaza
For some reason I thought the SS bug was if you were just reapplying to the same target. Fml.
distant vale
Unfortunately not.
severe niche
kinda monkas how close these talents are tbh https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fzFXMFe8zRbJjGVfxMnjdA
i wonder waht toxic blade master poisoner is
dry lynx
What is the highest ST dps build for assassin right now? Toxic Blade or Exang?
arctic isle
the one ur sim says
severe niche
hmmm masterpoisoner and toxcblade is much later
spice surge
Does anybody have a WA that removes the coin-popup after m+ and arena?
ebon dragon
hi guys, someone know if there are a soft cap for the Haste? or it's better going up? or stuck at some point?
little warren
Is there a guide in here somewhere I'm missing on how to begin simming yourself? I've never done it before.
spiral furnace
hey guys. how do you handle the lack of good azerite pieces atm? just run with 340s?
long osprey
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
strange python
weekly chest
rain breach
Heroic ;)
ember ermine
Azerite Cache from WQs
rain breach
Or this
spiral furnace
Anyone got an addon to see which traits are on azerite pieces?
rain breach
Wowhead
spiral furnace
thx
ember ermine
I was wondering where I can look for information about the exsang build? (probably a dumb question)
rain breach
Is there a way to get fast conquest points?
rain breach
How many for an arena win?
ember ermine
10 from 2s
azure crescent
35 from 3s
jovial adder
they better not nerf us
mint brook
Hey guys, while checking raider.io for M+ stats I've seen most of top assassination rogues running with exsanguinate + crimson tempest/poison bomb, but my sims show me toxic blade + crimson is the best option. Am I simming correctly for multi-target? I'm selecting heavy movement/5 targets/1 min fight on raidbots
rain breach
For me pb and tb sims 100dps higher ;). Is based on your stats
strange python
I just run exsa posion bomb
dull cargo
Mastery haste for exsang and crit haste for TB yeah?
mint brook
Wasn't it crit/haste for Exsan and crit/mastery for TB?
onyx wind
we did +10 waycrest instead
our dps dc'd
and we finished in time
got +14 motherload done today
assa is pog
strange python
motherlode is so easy this week
lone junco
M+ is mastery > agi > crit.
Raid is agi= haste >crit >
lone junco
+14 wowzers.
marsh wharf
would you guys rather have thunderous blast or sharpened blades( it would be 2 stacks of sharpened blades)
strange python
can horde kill the 370 boss yet
onyx wind
no
strange python
when
onyx wind
when warfronts change
spice surge
Which should be pretty soon, so like 2-3 days
lone junco
I only did warfront once. Got 2 gloves.
harsh totem
Is 3 shrouded suffocation, 3 heed my call pieces a good load out?
onyx wind
fuck that
spice surge
They only give 340 items
lone junco
3ss 3heed is good
onyx wind
warfronts are shit
lone junco
Ah.
spice surge
I thought they were pretty neat
lone junco
I only did a few islands.
spice surge
Not something i would want to do multiple times
spice surge
But for doing it once a month it was pretty good
lone junco
But it's nice to do 3man islands when m+ team is not on.
strange python
Islands 😴
lone junco
Cause fuck a wq.
spice surge
Warfronts are not the same as islands noobe 😉
lone junco
Just content options.
I don't want to miss out on super important content.
But I hate wq.
low nymph
Proper PvP opener? I always start Garrote into rupture into Garrote into muti into kidney into vendetta into toxic blade into evenom
lone junco
Like weekly world boss. Seems important. Has a trinket list.
spice surge
If offtarget is within range you might aswell cheap shot/garrote them from stealth instead tbh
But yeah, pvp opener is different depending on situation
onyx wind
You just always switch targets
low nymph
And single target burst ?
mint brook
@lone junco Thank you, that setting seems to be closest to what I was looking for. Could you tell me when is the best moment for Exsan when you use it with Crimson Tempest? Right after I pop CT?
split dirge
is Hidden Blades ever worth using or is CT always better in big aoe? without FOK traits that is
onyx wind
not really
terse pawn
how is it not rng
onyx wind
on higher keys you get atleast 1 pr pack
deft locust
honestly
on average
you are seeing more than 1 pb
if you have enough time to spread rupture and fok envenom
it's more like 2 a pack
delicate root
PB is also a lot less damage than it used to be
lone junco
@mint brook in cleave.
M+ is a mix of cleave open and single rotation. Depends on pack size and priority need.
strange python
why is mother bug still happening
deft locust
oh yeah for sure
lone junco
strange python
i thought they hotfixed it
deft locust
pb is a sad relic of what it used to be
onyx wind
i do ggg r exs fok r fok r eetc
deft locust
I'll exsang after I rupture a prio target if no ct
generally during tyran I'm running PB, sometimes HK to be a meme
it's fun on trash dungeons like manor
onyx wind
agreed
lone junco
Yeah. It depends on mob count and prio need.
deft locust
speaking of HK, with fan of blades and pvp talent
onyx wind
i run HK in waycrest and atal'dazar
lone junco
Ggg Ct. Mut mut rupture vanish gg r GC exang.
strange python
lol
deft locust
I think it reaches up to 23 yards
which is farther than our blind
for comparison
2 yards short of our Shadowstep
sour trout
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > mastery > vers >= haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.
strange python
all our abilities should have a 23yrd range
lone junco
Did you see that you gain 1-2 yrds on FOK by jumping?
deft locust
yeah
strange python
VERY Acrobatic Strikes
deft locust
lmao
lone junco
I tested it and it made me lol.
deft locust
That's actually pretty useful in pvp
strange python
Should be like Shadowstrike from Stealth but all the time
You teleport to the target
deft locust
right now with MP for 60% crippling slow, you can jump fok and hit all targets
lone junco
I wonder if that gain is multiplied by the fok trait.
deft locust
making the entire team have 60% runspeed permanently
strange python
unkitable
deft locust
it's very handy for control
even when a mage teleports away
just jump fok
slow his ass from afar
strange python
lol
lone junco
I ran azerite FOK. HB. And pvp FOK.
strange python
or just PK him?
lone junco
Was pretty funny.
strange python
Dude in a BG you should be swimming in CP with that shit btw
Hitting so many people
onyx wind
going full pve in pvp
lone junco
Sprayed an alterac valley bridge
onyx wind
gotta dot everyone
strange python
lol
deft locust
but yeah same noobe, I run one az fok hb and pvp talent
strange python
Spread rupture
deft locust
fun stuff
lone junco
FOK Ct spam the world.
deft locust
Honestly
strange python
What if CT got the same buff w😩
lone junco
Also. Gg vendetta exang kidney melts a single.
onyx wind
Our weeakness is
lone junco
Like the wicked witch.
onyx wind
Dat surv hunt
strange python
Our weakness is burst aoe where shit won't last
terse pawn
the only thing i'd pick sub over sin for atm is zul
lone junco
We didn't get nerfed?
lone junco
Lolololol.
lone junco
Rip my m+ team.
lone junco
They gonna cry.
strange python
like 17K simmed dps
lone junco
4p20 still works.
terse pawn
i miss having on demand stun from sub though
devout moth
guys how much does sin scale on the MH weapon?
terse pawn
MH weapon is big
lone junco
Sin aoe is big on wep.
distant vale
Does Garrote snapshot the damage increase from Elaborate Planning?
devout moth
got 2x 360 weapons right now, but I got a token to increase a pvp item to 375
onyx wind
almost at 15k here
devout moth
no idea xd maybe my 355 boots or smth
strange python
lol
devout moth
cant seem to get a dread gladiator socket wpn
lone junco
Still like 13.2. 347 rip.
lone junco
Haven't done any heroic clear yet. Was on a work trip.
lone junco
Still pull 23-25k.
strange python
I sim 14K at 358
stiff grotto
ideal stats for rogue assa?
devout moth
I cant seem to get a headpiece
lone junco
It's not bad. 355 mh. Fathom. 365 GC.
onyx wind
close
devout moth
theres so few for horde
stiff grotto
how %?
distant vale
Anyone know, does Garrote snapshot the damage increase from Elaborate Planning?
lone junco
I'm a normy/heroic raider. So no rush
devout moth
snapshotting is gone afaik
strange python
yeah
dense yarrow
my stats keep changing -.- once crit > master then its master > crit
strange python
Dots are dynamic
distant vale
So it would just be active for the first 4 seconds of ticks while the buff is active.
arctic isle
nightstalker snapshots but we dont take it
strange python
Which is so fucking good on G'huun 😩 😩 😩
distant vale
Thanks guys.
onyx wind
Opening for 40k dps on ghuun 😩
spice surge
Subterfuge snapshots too
strange python
Run from one end to the other Garrote x 3 -> Vanish -> Shadowstep -> Garrote x 3, get the buff, FUUUUUCK
spice surge
Exsang snapshots your haste as well
strange python
💦 🍆
lone junco
Offspec tank and offspec heals for our m+. So 30k dps and we still don't make it past +7 times.
onyx wind
just pug
strange python
Yeah opening like 40-45K on G'huun
onyx wind
I pugged my +14
strange python
Disgusting
lone junco
I carry low geared raiders.
distant vale
Man, is there a good resource for snapshotting info, then? It sounds like it's all different.
onyx wind
You dont reelly have to worry about it
spice surge
Subterfuge, you do more damage out of stealth
onyx wind
Just use exsanguinatee after you got bl/trinket
spice surge
Exsang: Use your on-use trinket before you exsang
strange python
Subterfuge, IE you're still in stealth 3 secs after stealth breaks for all PvE purposes
lone junco
Yah. It calcs the hasted tick rate. Rounds to a whole number. And sticks.
distant vale
That is wild. Very good to know.
onyx wind
Thats how you burst 30-35k in opener
Which reminds me: i had 90k dps for 7 seconds on feetid
balance
dense yarrow
so exang > tb?
dense yarrow
Hmmm interesting
rain breach
Tb is a bit easier for timing
stiff grotto
bis ?
paper niche
So got a question is there a reason for more than one "Sharpened Blades" trait?
onyx wind
it stacks
strange python
Exsang feels so good to use
onyx wind
kinda starting to hate it actually
strange python
Wish it was 30 sec cd though
It's the best in M+
In raids it gets weird sometimes
paper niche
@onyx wind What exactly does stack the dmg or does it stack faster?
lone junco
Yeah. 30sec or 1min tbh.
strange python
Yeah they should buff it to like 125% and put it on a 1 min cd
lone junco
The big donger from exang is overlapping that trinket across the full duration.
strange python
😁 even more burst
lone junco
Turns your 10sec GC into like 18sec.
strange python
What's good about Exsang too is it maximises your empowered garrote ticks inside Vendetta
wispy apex
Do you let he bleeds run out aswell after you exsang?
strange python
You always let empowered garrotes run out
completely
only reapply after last tick
if it's just a normal exsang you can clip it
but cut it short or you waste value
TB still sims ~1% less than Exsang for me
lone junco
Agree on that. But the empowered garrotes machine gun off the exang and can crit for 25k
strange python
Been seeing a few guys do the opener differently
btw
on top parses
very minor difference
They vendetta before exsang
rather than before the first mut
What do you guys reckon
lone junco
They are trying to overlap as much of the open SS with duration of the GC exang.
You get 20sec
lone junco
And. It might help pump out the env
Tbh. I think you could probably just do it when you need the energy.
lone junco
And also. If you vanish at 15, then you have until 14 to use your vendetta with out penalty.
silk sundial
So the api is saying to do some weird stuff with the rotation
lone junco
So. Overlap the ss and vanish as exang with all 20sec of vendetta. And the rest is gravy.
Apl. Gets weird after 220.
lone junco
That's the best afaik.
strange python
yeah
lone junco
It makes a shorter rupture for exang.
strange python
I think so
lone junco
Cause pandemic is based on first application.
silk sundial
Ahh, I thought you would want vendetta closer to the exang
silk sundial
Ohh 😄
lone junco
Tbh. Gg r. V mut mut r. Exang .... v ggr
That would be better by a snip. But weak worked it all out.
Rupture damage profile is too low imo.
silk sundial
How long is a full pandemic rupture?