if its a addon that tells you what button to press, no
#assassination
plain thistle
stuck shuttle
whats the 355 SS piece from conquest
plain thistle
but I never heard of it
stuck shuttle
what's it called
spice surge
Dread gladiator's leather vest
terse rune
do i have to let the exsanged rupture run out or can i refresh on pandemic?
split dirge
Is it worth using a low CP Envenom during burst if it means I maintain EP?
plain thistle
dont refresh a exsanguinate garrote/rupture, every time you do that, a little bunny dies somewhere
stuck shuttle
ty @spice surge
@split dirge you shouldn't need to if you do your rotation correctly
tepid ridge
do we use CT in ST before exsang ?
rich olive
split dirge
So do we just play naturally atm and not play for close to 99% uptime for it?
plain thistle
@gusty kestrel or @solid nova can you pin something about this? its at least 2-3x the same question per hour, asking about refreshing exsaguinate rupture or garrote on pandemic
stuck shuttle
g g g ct fok spam, ruptures
depending on pack size u spend cp on CT
or envenom for prio targets
worn ginkgo
KK
plain thistle
g = garrote btw
split dirge
Wait do we get to choose our Conquest piece this week like last week? As I don't see a 355 SS piece, just one with the FOK trait 🤢
split dirge
wtf thats broken
fresh ginkgo
I have two laser matrix but i feel like it doesnt even stack
split dirge
I knew it was with weap but i didnt think we would get to choose our azerite piece
fresh ginkgo
.>
fresh ginkgo
yea i should dbl check
strange python
do you run CT on tyrannical?
safe matrix
@plain thistle herorotation is just aethysrotation under new branding
stuck shuttle
i run PB on Tyrannical
fresh ginkgo
is there a internal cd for laser matrix?
stuck shuttle
@rapid halo you want 2-3 on elite targets only
sand canyon
@strange python yes pb is completly overrated for tyr.
plain thistle
hmmm, yeah based on simc apl, still dont like rotation addon
sand canyon
times were pb was 10% of ur dmg are gone
plain thistle
its always better to learn why you are pressing buttons
safe matrix
Yeah I don't recommend rotation addons either
rapid halo
are they 4/5 cp ruptures and i assume reapplying CT is priority over rupture?
safe matrix
Just telling you that you have infact seen the addon before
sand canyon
depends on how many mobs
sand canyon
3 max
plain thistle
😃
sand canyon
mostly 2,5
strange python
haven't tried it yet, gonna run it next time and see
sand canyon
ct always > rup
strange python
thanks
sand canyon
if u dont have ct up on trashpacks and lack energy u fucked op ur opener anyway
talking about bigpulls
stuck shuttle
well yes on opener CT first
sonic pawn
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
sand canyon
5-whatever
stuck shuttle
but in maintaining bleeds after
sand canyon
if u have 4 bleedings running u should never go out of energy
since while ct running u apply rupture anway
and then u reapply ct
and with the exp u know when to spam ct and when to reapply rup for energy
silk jolt
someone who understands maths
talk to me about shrouded suffocation
whats up here
it shouldnt be +500%
spice surge
It gets multiplied by subterfuge
fresh ginkgo
i kinda want them to nerf SS or buff other traits 👀
mossy flame
Does EP buff apply to dots on all my targets or just the dots on my current target?
next creek
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > mastery > vers >= haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.
stoic aspen
anyone know how to value shrouded suff traits in m+ over something like a 370 azerite piece with laser matrix?
spice surge
Yeah its slightly more than the tooltip suggests
stuck shuttle
EP gives you a bbuff @mossy flame
spice surge
As is most traits
stoic aspen
sorry 340 shrouded suff piece
spice surge
Or some atleast, i know twist the knife shows the wrong values too
silk jolt
not slightly tho, it's like double
hushed turtle
Is there a way to sim with and without reorigination array?
silk jolt
it's closer at +1000
i dont get it
the tooltip is just wrong?
theres no multiplier im missing?
thats boring
anyway that is insane, +500% garrotte ticks
i need a third
spice surge
Cant get it higher than 340 on shoulders and 355 on head though 😄
stuck shuttle
you can, you just have to be lucky in your weekly
spice surge
Unless you're really skilled at looting your weekly chest, only a 2% chance though
stuck shuttle
RNG harder
stoic aspen
so is a 370 laser matrix > 340 shrouded suff in m+?
grim sable
vapid estuary
So I'm suuuper new to rogue, and just wanting to make su re my spec can do multiple things. Can ass keep up in aoe? I mean not like crazy or anything
vapid estuary
I like the feel of it, just was worried since everyone is telling me it won't do any aoe, I'm not 120 yet and I don't want to play outlaw if I don't have to
proven ice
With vanish?
silk jolt
must have been lucky with PB
sand canyon
40k should be np
rapid halo
I mean if its low keys and you cant keep up then your group is pacing well
vapid estuary
Are you keeping up rupture on a bunch of targets?
sand canyon
in a normal big pull
rupture only to get energy as much as need otherwise ct
@proven ice ofc
prisma harbor
Is assassination best spec for m+?
sand canyon
no i dont play with p @silk jolt
spice surge
Why take a chance with PB when you can get always lucky with CT
sand canyon
ct mastertier
vapid estuary
I spam FoK instead of mutilate in an aoe situation right for my combo points
rapid halo
all specs are viable in both raids and m+ @prisma harbor
prisma harbor
Yeah just wondered which was best
rapid halo
sin is best at higher keys since your dots have time to work
silk sundial
It also depends a lot on your team comp, affixes and dungeon
rapid halo
but at +10s it doesnt matter all specs are pretty equally viable
prisma harbor
And for raids? Same thing?
visual token
Burr
hushed turtle
Well of course they are, allowing your tank the ability to kite is irreplaceable
spice surge
other classes can allow the tank to kite too, assa for example
Frost does really good damage ontop of it
hollow stone
I laughed at that
vapid estuary
So just so I know I'm reading this right, I can use a finisher at 4 points?
cus a lot of the time I'm at 4/5 and it's a nnoying af
delicate gull
yeah thats why you just do it
hollow stone
Frost mage and sin rogue are basically manadtory in high m+ because of kiting
slow temple
Anyone got a link or annything all dungeons that drop daggerss
hollow stone
Dungeon journal. Set loot to weapon and spec to sin. It takes like 10mins at most
lone junco
@sand canyon Im gonna try to beat that 60k, will need jesus to align. and have just a monster pull.
i did like the bladeflurry blade rush on packs, but gggct is my jam
wary ether
/cast [@mouseover,nodead,harm] Garrote; Garrote
this works right ?
silk jolt
yes
lone junco
dunno. left click a target, then press. 2
quasi swan
poison bomb or crimson tempest for m+?
lone junco
😴
hollow stone
Both
upper island
both
lone junco
until you have the experience to prefer one over the other. just play CT
delicate gull
why not just play pb tho, zero experience required 👌
vapid estuary
When I'm coming out of stealth in like a 2-3 target situation, should I try and get super garrotes on everything and then ruptures?
unborn karma
lone junco
Carrot all the things
thats an old legion log. dont do that.
bummed they nerfed the Hit/tick ratio for CT tho. cause this one didnt last long.
was like 45% of pack dmg. rip
@nimble tartan you still sin, or do sub jump
clever mural
Is it worth to play with exsang without shrouded trait?
stoic aspen
garrote on 2 masterrace here as well
lone junco
probably not worth playing sin without shrouded trait
g, tab ggr. vendetta mut mut rupture gc exag. 🙏
urban storm
how do the conquest rewards work, i earned the dagger last week so i have the chest, does it just stay on that until i finish it, or does it change on tuesday
lone junco
blessed be thy bleed.
grim wolf
yeah i'm runnin 2 SS 1 Lazer Matrix pretty fun
i like seeing healing numbers go everywhere 😂
lone junco
Ill keep an eye out for lazers but my ST and Cleave are both the same for now.
tall kraken
@urban storm they said that conquest rewards would "stack" up to 3 weeks.
So if you dont finish this week you'll still have it next week and then when you finish, youll have next weeks reward too.
urban storm
ok
silk sundial
So if I do next week's I can get 3 rewards at once?
I would need 3 weeks worth of points though right?
proven pumice
So on a fight like Vectis, if I have empowered Garrotes up on the boss and an Amalgam spawns, do I skip putting garrote on it until the empowered garrotes fall off
Because of the bug
marble hemlock
thats the wrong one tho noobe
tough topaz
Yes rhino
marble hemlock
@lone junco use the proper one please
warm geode
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
warm geode
yet T_T
tepid ridge
when should I refresh CT instead of rupture? 3 targets?
marble hemlock
well, when you can afford it
if youd starve on energy because you refreshed a CT and then cant use fok for another 2 seconds, then you wouldve been better off by recasting rupture instead
ideally you never get into that position
but critluck sometimes fucks you over
but catching up on ruptures once youre starving might lead to much bigger downtimes on CT, so i personally prioritize rupture over CT in those situations
tall kraken
@silk sundial yes and yes you would need 1500conquest points total.
strange python
anyone here know how to make the spellicons bigger on ThreatPlates? switched to this nameplate to keep track of my dots
turbid stratus
is fathoms still worth buying ?
soft quartz
Yes
calm grail
I'm trying to figure out what dungeons Crimson Tempest is better for, but I'm also feeling like with tyrannical poison bomb isn't a terrible idea.
stuck shuttle
I run PB for tyrannical
upbeat creek
What do people mean when they double garrotte? I don’t mean for dungeons where you garrotte two targets but they say this for bursting in pvp
upbeat creek
For ex garrotte garrotte exsang, why the second garrotte ?
stuck shuttle
it will pandemic a MAX of 30%
primal gazelle
Feelsbad; swapped from sub to sin with 2 SS traits but lose 700 sims dps 😦
split dirge
how are people getting their SS trait on shoulders? atm im hardstuck with a 325 shoulder with it, and ive done freehold 0 for the week
is there any content i can do to get it?
calm grail
No.
lime panther
Uldir bosses drop ss on helm/shoulders
split dirge
what
calm grail
SS shoulders?
lime panther
Zul and the one after him
split dirge
i dont think o
marble hemlock
freehold m0
split dirge
silk sundial
Make a full leather group and run the mythic dungeon weekly. Hopefully someone in the party gets it
marble hemlock
^this
lime panther
Those shoulders have ss
marble hemlock
just find a few other leather people like boomies or monks
silk sundial
I need to do that today for the shrine helm
split dirge
those shoulders have scent of blood
marble hemlock
and ask them whether they wanna do a m0 run for traits, so they trade you shoulders in freehold, and then you run something for them aswell, i.e. boomy chest in ataldazar or smth like that
calm grail
Yeah outside of m0 you're SoL for shoulders.
calm grail
I think the world boss and Fetid have SS helm and chest
split dirge
is it possible to get those 340+ tho? atm i have 325 wq ones but they arent great
marble hemlock
nah
calm grail
Also conquest chest has SS
marble hemlock
only 340 one is from freehold
split dirge
what a fun system
marble hemlock
and then you can get one from weekly chest ofc
lime panther
All uldir bosses az piece have ss
split dirge
sure am glad i cant do m+ to actually target my gear 😄
lime panther
Wb has helm w ss
marble hemlock
imagine if they stuck with azerite being untradable 😃
lime panther
Fh has shoulders
split dirge
ur lying
split dirge
i literally just posted a screen u melt
lime panther
Shift click the item in shift j
split dirge
fading spade
I got 355 Gold Tassled Epaulets from my weekly cache
calm grail
You're wrong Yamsa.
fading spade
That had SS
split dirge
lucker
silk sundial
I want
lime panther
IT HAS SS
marble hemlock
yeah, thats the freehold ones @fading spade
lime panther
Shrouded suffication
split dirge
holy fuck it doesn
fading spade
Ahhh are they?
lime panther
I have the chest as well and it does 😂😂
upbeat creek
SS better in pvp over twist the knife ?
lime panther
But hookay
split dirge
b
split dirge
marble hemlock
^this
calm grail
Which kind of bums me out because my mythic cache was a 385 chest with it. Why couldn't it have been shoulders.
So many chest sources with it
spice frost
My goal for Azerite is chest from fetid, helm from mythrax and pray to rngesus for shoulders w ss from m+/pvp cache
unique zenith
I just switched for assa for like 2 minutes on a dummy, jesus your energy regen is fast
feels like I'm in AR
fiery sage
With the exg build after opener are u gonna exg again after refrest the bleeds or how is it with that i mean after opener is done
marble hemlock
my goal for azerite is for someone at blizzard deciding to scrap the mechanic and just make it major/minor glyphs instead
split dirge
honestly id be ok with azerite if they just made raid traits actually not utter dogshit
and maybe reduce lvl req a bit
calm grail
I know this is a pipe dream, but I just wish the other choices were as compelling.
marble hemlock
raid pieces are fine, laser matrix is pretty bonkers
and you get the scaling stat-buff aswell
strange python
so I have a 340 piece that has SS and Heed my call that out sims a raid chest piece that is 355 by 100 dps.....fml
dense quest
I dont think you can get a ss shoulder higher than 340
split dirge
from m+ chezt only
spice frost
You want max pandemic bleeds for exsang. IE if it’s a time where you’re not lining it up w cool downs, refresh rupture+garrote right as exsang comes off cd and use it
marble hemlock
gonna be fun when the new raid opens and you lose your 10stack 1.5k haste azerite trait 😃
dense quest
yeah thats like winning the lotto tho
calm grail
That's kind of my goal. Laser hood, already have 385 SS chest. So my dream really is getting a good set of shoulders from the chest.
split dirge
maybe next week conquest cap will give an SS shoulder
spice frost
Can get shoulders w ss from pvp chest as well
1800 rating for heroic level. 2100 rating for mythic level
high granite
Is Mydas' Talisman any good right now?
calm grail
Can you cooby?
split dirge
pretty bad
proven ice
The 355 SS chest was this weeks pvp quest.
proven ice
yeah
spice frost
=/=
proven ice
every rogue should have it
dense quest
dont think there is a ss pvp shoulder
split dirge
how does the pvp chest work? is it just by being rated at end of week?
spice frost
You sure? I thought there was
split dirge
or you need a certain rating
dense quest
there isnt one with ss trait on it
calm grail
The best way to find out is to look up the trait on Wowhead and the corresponding pieces that can have it
prisma pond
There, I posted a question to the Ion AMA
calm grail
Then figure out which ones can actually upgrade
spice frost
Highest rating you had during the previous week. If you hit 1820 then drop to 1700 Monday, it will be based on 1800 rating. (This is what I’ve read, can not confirm true or not)
dense quest
the only shoulder azerite would be from hitting the loto in ur mythic chest
marble hemlock
dense quest
for ss
spice frost
@split dirge you need a minimum rating to get a chest. I think rewards start at 1400
split dirge
fuckin hell
spice frost
Nvm, Sel has actual info
split dirge
i did a couple hours of 3v3 yesterday and got 1k 🤢
spice frost
Read his pic
marble hemlock
so just git gud, get 2.4k, get 375 base ilvl after match
and unlike legion, those pieces can roll any statcombo, whereas legion always had versatility+X
marble hemlock
same for everything as far as im aware
spice frost
Any of the above
marble hemlock
3v3/rbg give more conquest per match afaik
spice frost
^
proven ice
For the armor chest piece, it's a quest you just need to get 1000 conquest points to unlock
spice frost
Random or rated erodrea?
marble hemlock
can also do the weekly quest in mugumbala or whatever its called, where you gotta kill 10players in a specific zone and loot one of those pubg chests
spice frost
Hmm. I’m slacking
marble hemlock
that one gives 250conquest i think?
dense quest
rated is more I believe
split dirge
wait i dont understand, why does it show a reward for unranked + ? surely you need to be at least ranked to get a piece
dense quest
you get pieces based on your rating
marble hemlock
unranked means you dont get a title thats linked to it
marble hemlock
since every bracket has a title
spice frost
Idk. I got to 1.2k in 2s and 3s last week just capping conquest. Haven’t checked chest though cause I’m bad
marble hemlock
kinda like diamond/silver/gold leagues in other games
for pvp those are the old titles, like duelist, challengr etc.
strange python
anyone knows how to make my was so it checks if my garrote is buffed by SS?
split dirge
but by showing unranked doesnt that imply that you get a weekly chest without even playing pvp?
edgy trellis
do you need EP pandemic bleeds ?
marble hemlock
unranked just describes the 0-1399 bracket
split dirge
oh i see
spice frost
You probably need to at least play one match. It might be you have to cap conquest to get the chest. I’m not sure
dense quest
if you cap your conquest bar you get a weekly chest
regardless of your rating
the chest contain the reward you see
obviously if you queue it makes it faster
for 2s and 3s
split dirge
and if you cap conquest along with being rated you get an additional weekly chest?
with a guaranteed azerite? as it says azerite piece ilvl
dense quest
if you are rated your reward after match ilvl goes up
based on your rating
if you are unrank your reward after match is like 325
or something less
split dirge
fuck i wish i could play pvp decently
dense quest
regardless if you cap your conquest meter you get a chest next week
brittle juniper
Is there a list of trinkets for assass pinned or am I being blind
proven ice
spice frost
Has a trinket list
proven ice
unraked is 355
brittle juniper
Thx
vernal fjord
which build are you guys using for mythic plus
high holly
any tips for simming for m+?
strong folio
is the bug with losing surterfudge buff if we garrote 3 consecutive targets still happening?
haughty flame
i just got my gale caller, whats optimal way to use it in m+
or is it not the best?
split dirge
if you apply an unbuffed garrote ya
vernal fjord
which build are you guys using for mythic plus
strong folio
do we need to wait the buffed garrotes to expire 1st psyko then?
split dirge
yeah you should im pretty sure
although you can vanish and garrote another 3 or 4 if u can squeeze it in
as long as you dont apply any without subterfuge buff until the buffed ones run out youre fine
vernal fjord
which build are you guys using for mythic plus? Can someone please answer me?
twin meadow
the one in the pins
dusky bison
What are best weap enchants for ass pvp?
vernal fjord
whatever
fiery oxide
Anyone know if a SS helm drops from M+?
gilded oak
Is 3x sharpedned blades viable in pvp?
vocal kelp
no azerite pieces drop in m+ @fiery oxide
fiery oxide
M0, mb
vocal kelp
Shrine of the Storm last boss drops SS head
Cowl of Fluid Machinations or something like that
split dirge
yuh thats the one
vocal kelp
think it has heed my call aswell if im not mistaken
alpine hedge
is SS still bugged?
hushed turtle
ys
lost tree
is there any statement of Blizz why the raid trinkets are so shit
ebon bramble
it's blizzard
crystal citrus
Is MP or EP better for mythic +'s? Like is one stronger on single target over multi?
fiery oxide
@vocal kelp cheers, one shot per week then & chest on reset?
nimble gulch
Is the a hard point of how much crit /Haste/mastery i get from harlans loaded Dice
cause idk if i should use it
since i just got it but 325
and im using 355azerokks resonating heart with a socket
lone junco
Praise Be.
daring imp
lul
dense quest
@nimble gulch just use your azerokks
with a socket its better than 340 harlen, but you can easily just sim it and find out
vocal kelp
@fiery oxide yeah pretty much
hollow stone
I have a feeling raid trinkets will get buffed. Maybe im just hoping so i can use this garbo 385 ghuun trinket
robust axle
TB or Exsang for m+?
hollow stone
On tyrannical, exsang is recommended but both are definitely viable
junior aurora
Sim yourself but on mine they sim close together
ebon bramble
https://giphy.com/gifs/reactiongifs-LRVnPYqM8DLag Garrote right now
junior aurora
So probably pref
zenith cedar
Every old god boss has had a vanquishing tentacle trinket and they are always dog shit
so no, they wont be buffing it
wary ether
i got Suffocation and Heed on all my Azerite pieces, too bad two of em are 340 😛
lone junco
@ebon bramble nothing to see here. completely normal damage profile. Lots of work to sustain, very difficult. 👀
junior aurora
We just need to all do shit for a week in raid
ebon bramble
disappear from the top
zenith cedar
Sin getting nerfed for sure
ebon bramble
@zenith cedar no you
wary ether
cant wait to have to spec sub next week
ebon bramble
zenith cedar
I dont want it to get nerfed but its gonna happen
junior aurora
Like everyone take the third part of that tier and dont use tb or exsang
alpine hedge
I can confirm
lilac coral
@junior aurora I'm doing my part!
alpine hedge
I'm his dad
wary ether
its gonna be, 5% overall and 20% less garrote trait
late niche
^ my dad is married to his dad and I can confirm
hollow stone
Hey dad
alpine hedge
carry on son
hollow stone
Hey brother
late niche
@wary ether wouldn't it be original?
alpine hedge
Garrote is now a poison
hollow stone
So?
junior aurora
Garrote is now a poison might actually make it better
junior aurora
Toxic blade with ss lmao
alpine hedge
ebon bramble
master poisoner + toxic blade garrote
junior aurora
Garrote now doing 75% of our damage instead of 50
late niche
man if they end up gutting ss assassination will be so fucking bland
junior aurora
Youll have to stack scent of blood and just apply a ton of ruptures
For single target probably stack dd
soft quartz
SS is going to get hit soon I would be willing to bet.
hollow stone
Dd isnt awful in its current state. But no ss would make the spec pretty straight forward again (cause ss makes it so hard 😵)
silk sundial
I mean sin was fine before ss, it's not like it's game changing
velvet magnet
3x SoB with 4± ruptures out is a ton of agi and is nasty on trash just sucks because the dropoff when going ST..and for M+ no gear swapping
late niche
I wish rogue talents weren't so ResidentSleeper
junior aurora
Gonna need some good single target buddies
vale oak
Is shrouded suffocation bugged? Feels like hitting a 4th target with garrotte after sub voids the trait bonus on the previous 3.
junior aurora
Yessir
ebon bramble
i love how Method used 5 rogues to kill Zul and mentioned they're use more rogues if they had more geared rogues...
Sub rogues that is
soft quartz
It's a single target fight disguised as an add fight. Sub rogue is right were you want to be on that.
junior aurora
Dont apply garrote until the initial three wear off
vale oak
thats a big pain in the ass. it's like the pain of underestimating the GCD and slamming your target with shit-garrotte only to override your joocy one - except its a constant rule
zenith cedar
Basically theyre entire strat revolved around sub rogue having broken AOE single target
sturdy forge
Does anyone have a WA to track garrote empowered with SS?
vale oak
that'd be swell, id like that too
vale oak
but sub is supposed to be the cerebral spec, assassination is supposed to be shank em and laugh all the way to top of meters
lilac coral
did i just exit stealth and garrote
vale oak
do you guys exsang before or after vanish re-apply?
zenith cedar
wat
ur joking right
You exang, wait till buffs fall off entirely, then you vanish and ppandemic garrote
urban storm
^
whole girder
Hey guys, switching over from subtlety. what are the stat priorities for sin / the best azerite traits?
zenith cedar
If you dont have x2 shrouded, dont switch
whole girder
i do
zenith cedar
also, prob not worth switching without Galecaller's
because thats a massive amount of oppener burst dmg you lose (sin is all opener burst dmg)
whole girder
i have that too
zenith cedar
But otherwise, you want haste > agi > crit > mastery > vers
Overwhelming power is the best in the second tier and SS trait is the best for first tier
I could have told you to cehck the pins, but i am a nice guy
whole girder
ty
urban storm
you dont need 2SS to use exsang
zenith cedar
Theres no point playing sin without SS
ebon bramble
what if they do nerf SS?
ebon garden
then we all go sub
twin zealot
what kind of dps should you expect from a 355 assa?
soft quartz
the cycle of life can be cruel
ebon bramble
20k
whole girder
so you want quick navigation main hand, deadly navigation off hand?
hollow junco
13-14k sim depending on traits and stat distribution
twin zealot
well im doing 10k:P
ebon garden
i wish i could be as lucky on my main as i am on my rogue with item drops and azerite
strange python
I'm a 350 sin and pull about 12-12.5k in KR, Freehold or Siege. But where there are more lower to mobs I hover about 10k
Lower hp*
rocky holly
10k overall..?
whole girder
what should be weapon enchants for single target?
summer yoke
M+ build, exh and CT?
rocky holly
do you have 3x SS?
summer yoke
no
twin zealot
nah i have 1
rocky holly
@strange python
modern hare
ST do you pop GC between first rupture and 2nd garrote to snapshot the haste for 2nd garrote/rupture?
strange python
Nope, 1 :(
rocky holly
ah that’s why
strange python
Just went over from outlaw
strange python
I've seen some crazy sin numbers so can't wait for more SS gear :>
edgy trellis
did they nerf something im doing less dmg
whole girder
what should weapon enchants be
twin zealot
the problem is that the only SS gear i have is a 340 chest, my 370 head and 355 shoulders dont have it
junior aurora
You cannot
plush pike
should i use my 340 shoulders to make 3x ss or is 2 ok with 385 (blood rite) sim says 100 dps diff and to keep the x3 ss anyone think otherwise?
junior aurora
M+ does not drop helmets
modern hare
head is from shrine (only b/c I need to farm it)
rocky holly
wut...
silk sundial
It would be nice if you could farm azerite from m+
rocky holly
m0
modern hare
I think the world boss helm this week has SS on it
crisp lava
the only way to get azerite powered pieces from M+ is the weekly chest
rocky holly
mb, on mobile
junior aurora
For trinkets, galecallers boon and loaded dice the best ones to go with?
rocky holly
sim it, all at 340iL the general answer is yes
junior aurora
Enjoy it before the nerfs
rocky holly
but can you replicate the sims
somber otter
How to sim traits? S.S.verses Archive of the titans with reorigin array buff (from uldar only)??
ebon garden
top gear on raidbots
crisp lava
only 12%
junior aurora
I feel you there i need haste
somber otter
but does it take into account the buff from being in uldar?
opal mason
is getting 2x SS worth losing 2 ilvls
can only get helm SS on a 300 RN >.< currently wearing a 340
ebon garden
sim it
junior aurora
That big of a difference probably not worth
As long as you have 1 for the extra cp tho
still hare
Guys, any other ways to get 340 shoulder with ss besides emissary caches ?
still hare
I mean, no lucky at Freehold
ebon garden
freehold
junior aurora
Freehold
sturdy forge
freehold
still hare
that's the only one
ebon garden
and fetid devourer
steep citrus
fetid is chest
junior aurora
Underrot/Freehold/Shrine for ss traits
ebon garden
oops, marked it wrong on my spreadsheet of items i needed to get
steep citrus
which is annoying, I now have 3 chest pieces with ss and no shoulders/helm
still hare
Zul is the shoulder
opal mason
i had to do the sea scroll quest for a ss helm XD
crisp lava
2 min fight
steep citrus
that 2 minute fight
still hare
Well I guess I'll need to run with Razens Fury then
wary ether
why is it 2 minute fight wtf
junior aurora
Always go 5
fallow estuary
SO HAPPY
vestal wren
gz
unborn barn
grats mate, that can likely be your highlight of this expansion!
steep citrus
what they mean is.. you've peaked. it's all downhill
that's cool though. I've done a 7! i don't think it was a realm first though.
junior aurora
I wonder how good 3 DD venom rush os
raven scaffold
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
crisp lava
would troll racial be beneficial to switch to to pop before exsang? kinda like a galecallers lol
north terrace
@split dirge I mean if you actually read that you could also read it as the other traits getting brought up, so... yay let's all go super doomsday!
junior aurora
In a perfect world its all preference
split dirge
thats true but i enjoy SS
junior aurora
I hope the new ones they say theyre adding are rotation changers
split dirge
its interesting more so than other traits
north terrace
We're not in the same spot sub and outlaw were last week so not sure why there's all the doom and gloom. we're literally top of 1 fight, the only reason we're top overall on the raid is that we're not BAD in any fight
split dirge
yeah but SS stands out so much above the pack
that itll prob get nerfed down to the level of passive ones
north terrace
Outlaw, Sub, and BM were number 1-3 on EVERY fight before they nerfed them, so that's why they got nerfed lol
split dirge
also i rerolled from outlaw last week solely because of the deadshot nerf
which was the main thing that made the rotation enjoyable for me
steep citrus
but now you can snek. that 2 button rotation
split dirge
just judging off how they treated deadshot being strong doent give me much faith in tuning
seeing as it didnt really change outlaws dps a whole lot, just made the interesting trait middle of the pack and passive ones top
marble hemlock
i mean that was 5 paragraphs literally saying nothing but "we need to tune the system"
wispy iron
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
marble hemlock
no shit, that was obvious 6months ago
steep citrus
it almost is if you never get 5 buffs
vapid oracle
its really unfortunate they nerfed deadshot actually made outlaw more fun to play, one of the few azerite traits to do that for a spec
steep citrus
no. snek uses rtb now
hollow wren
Is it literally impossible to beat frost mage + healer, specially druid in 2s?
junior aurora
Stun healer out of bear
junior aurora
Yeah deadshot is still fine lol
safe matrix
That's variety
ebon garden
whats the opener, with SS traits?
ebon bramble
"We’ll be fixing the outliers on both ends (probably buffing dozens of weaker traits and nerfing a handful of too-strong ones)." -Ion
calm barn
heh
ebon bramble
hollow wren
@junior aurora then get pollied to unexistence or cc'd by frost?
lilac coral
look out SS, here comes TIDAL SURGE
junior aurora
🤷🏻♂️
urban storm
couldnt they just fix + nerf SS (now that we know its goign to happen) by making the trait add garrote damage any time it is cast, and say +1CP when used from stealth
assuming they were going to eventually fix the bug with it
lilac coral
i could see it still being #1 just not that far ahead
urban storm
right which is fine
instead they'll probably just do a standard tuning pass
and increase the shitty things by 5-10% while nerfing the fuck out of the best traits
ebon bramble
^
earnest cloud
total noob question but couldn't find the answer in the guides. Why does the rotation on the guide tell me to garotte, rupture and then garotte again? what is the point in double garotting?
safe matrix
Increased uptime due to pandemic
urban storm
pandemic of subterfuge garrote
safe matrix
There's a quick and dirty description of pandemic in the pins
earnest cloud
Ah right, gotcha
opal mason
wait does ss not stack?
earnest cloud
ty
opal mason
ohhh thought that was working as intended
so 2x ss should = 5cps per stealthed garrote?
tight ravine
ss is gettin nerfedconfirmed?
lilac coral
just said they were looking at busted traits
opal mason
right, but they currently are or something?
safe matrix
Also ss is not getting a confirmed nerf yet, it's still all speculation at this point
lilac coral
WW is even more busted, look at that shit first
opal mason
i tried googling how ss is bugged but there's like 500 different bugs reported lol
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
urban storm
from the QA: We’ll be fixing the outliers on both ends (probably buffing dozens of weaker traits and nerfing a handful of too-strong ones).
safe matrix
Basically if you apply an unbuffed garrote, ALL of your garrote lose the ss buff
urban storm
which means that if there is a trait for a class/spec that is >>>>>>>>>> other traits it will be getting nerfed
warm geode
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
opal mason
wouldnt your unstealthed garrote overwrite the stealthed one?
still hare
It will
opal mason
OHHH ok got it haha
still hare
make sure you let your garrote fades before renew if its the stealthed one
opal mason
so garrote everything i can while sub'd and then dont garrote again until they fade
i feel less stupid now, ty
safe matrix
You can still apply the garrote through vanish
regal snow
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pYvUum1Lo4e2d3PqGBZsnG
I dont get it have 12% haste but if i put more haste on it
i get lower sims ..am i doing something wrong ?
still hare
Just make sure you don't garrote after your subterfuge buff fades
Cause due the bug you will lose all empowerd garrotes from all targets
fresh ginkgo
We’ll be fixing the outliers on both ends (probably buffing dozens of weaker traits and nerfing a handful of too-strong ones). 
restive latch
😦
urban storm
super looking forward to triple tidal surge
hybrid harness
@regal snow theres mini breakpoints all over the place for haste. At your current gear, adding haste is very strong, but that doesnt necessarily mean substituting haste is good
restive latch
think assa will still be super strong post SS nerf?
Guess it depends on how bad the bat hits
tranquil dust
!stat
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > mastery > vers >= haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.
lilac coral
it's strong without them now lol
restive latch
actually.. youre right supra, lol
gentle belfry
Whats the M+ rotation with CT for trash?
urban storm
probably
tranquil dust
feels bad man
regal snow
@hybrid harness okay thx
restive latch
@gentle belfry think most people garrote 3 targets, CT, start rupturing
uneven summit
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
viscid pawn
why do u garrote twice in the opener with shrouded suffocation? just because of the 3 cps?
lone junco
23 sec of super garrote instead of 18
viscid pawn
fan of knives at 3+ targets?
lone junco
2+ for uptime only. With rupture and garrot on both.
light rampart
The + always confuses me -.-
hybrid harness
on 2 targets, isnt it better to just tab mutilates onto the 2nd target when necessary?
light rampart
So I put it on 3 eh
lone junco
When there are a lot of targets and already have a ruptures out. Then you can choose to refresh Ct early for the hit.
lone junco
Me too. Easy open.
onyx wind
NEEED ROGUE
lone junco
Not a bulk cleaver too. So you are vital for the 3T packs.
hybrid harness
shroud is important now that people cant pylon 8 times per dungeon
U T I L I T Y B O Y S
onyx wind
Shrouding 💦
onyx wind
Hm?
lone junco
Didn't matter
onyx wind
why not
hybrid harness
and crippling FoK is amazing if you dont have a frost mage
lone junco
Choosing prey for exang prio targets. I probably should. But it doesn't go off unless there is a silence. Right?
hybrid harness
yeah, but you can iron wire 3 times out of stealth for caster packs
onyx wind
The silencee is so strong
lone junco
Tank prob tbh.
onyx wind
The tank loves me
hybrid harness
also if your tank gets spooked by say the shaman adds in motherlode
you can vanish silence 3 more times
lone junco
Out tank is an offspec warrior. I should probably run it.
safe matrix
"Why do you double garrote with Shrouded Suffocation in the opener?
-Because you want to maximise uptime of the buffed garrote, and if you refresh garrote early you add pandemic time making garrote 23.4s long compared to the normal 18 seconds."
hybrid harness
and just remove basically all damage from the pack
safe matrix
this is now in the pins
lone junco
His thunderclap makes me lol.
onyx wind
running with a DH tank
is so fucking nicee
no threat problems
8-10k overall dps
cc, grip
unborn barn
DH tanks don't have grip
onyx wind
Pretty sure DH is gonna be bis in m+
steep citrus
if ou garrote > rupture > garrote aren't you actually making it 24.4 seconds long?
onyx wind
they do qt
lone junco
Sigil aoe.
steep citrus
GOTEM
lone junco
Irrelevant distinction.
steep citrus
yeah, that's the point of the joke
hybrid harness
BDK healing with bonestorm + grip for sanguine/disjointing uninterruptable casts is strong too. Im thinkin top ranks are gonna be red and purple with a small handful of monks
lone junco
18 + 0.3*18 = 23.4.
fresh ginkgo
they need to buff both archives and laser
onyx wind
or just do 18*1,3
spice surge
Laser is pretty strong
fresh ginkgo
kinda underwhelming
steep citrus
but you're getting an extra gcd in there before you extend to 23.4
candid phoenix
@lone junco need ur opinion
onyx wind
U mean like all azerite traits?
steep citrus
is the pointless point of my nitpick joke
whole girder
weapon enchants for sin? nothing in the pins
strange python
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
fading spade
Anyone else feel this way?
lilac coral
i think i got like 5 daggers from arenas yesterday
lilac coral
it sucks, but it's something i guess
thick comet
tbh if you need emissaries to give you weapons you're doing it wrong
hybrid harness
For any raid boss with either significant downtime, or a prio damage phase, galecallers probably wins
rich olive
Finally an upgrade.
fading spade
I dont. I have a 355 and a 350. I would however like to see a spec appropriate weapon lol
How many arenas do you run to get. 375? Holy hell
onyx wind
Pretty suree galeecallers is just overall better for ST
hybrid harness
the weekly reward for 1800+ is a 375 baseline
hybrid harness
and 1800 is shockingly easy to get if you just run with a last surprise dk
unborn narwhal
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
mortal gyro
how much you wanna bet triple SS dream is dead within a week or two?
hybrid harness
just idiot open on the pull, then blind the other guy as ghouls are about to explode
unborn barn
I think that's backwards, I think most people are imbeciles
spice surge
@mortal gyro I mean, its better if it dies. Having to pray to rngesus for an azerite piece higher than 340 every week would feel bad
Does feel bad*
fading spade
Guess I'll try it. I don't like pvp tbh
fading spade
To get rating you do lol
onyx wind
Obviously
But i thought u wanted weapons
Now i just need 370 galecallers and i can get rid of this fathoms shit
hybrid harness
im still using a loa trinket
spice surge
🤔 What other trinket do you have
hybrid harness
CANT WAKE UP
onyx wind
370 dice
strange python
is boon even still on shrines loottable. just finished 8th today no drop.
tiltiiing
spice surge
There are affixes this week? 🤔
buoyant flicker
double haste weapon enchants worth?
onyx wind
Dont ever stack wep eench
spice surge
no because they diminish each other
strange python
tyrannical not even that bad tbh jjust makes 2nd boss less forgiving
strange python
shrine last boss can be cheesed you just kite him away from the adds and tunnel dps
buoyant flicker
infested slows dungeons down a lot
onyx wind
Why does the best gear have to drop from the shittieeest dungeon
Its not that bad imo
i reemember trying to farm vendetta relic last eexpac
from votw
PUKE
strange python
ugh
mortal gyro
votw was the worst dungeon
strange python
dont remind me
mortal gyro
second boss was the most unfun encounter blizz has ever made
lone junco
@candid phoenix whaddap
"GC 340 vs Dice 365
sims say dice is 75dps higher"
Raid or M+?
lone junco
@strange python shrine boss is the one with the squid caster adds?
onyx wind
aye
mortal gyro
i know
shut viper
tb or exs for pvp?
mortal gyro
using exsanguine on second boss in sots, and they drop the blessing of tempest on themselves, removing all debuffs, makes me reee.
lone junco
exang on the shrine lady with haste circle.
that + gc. at the same time.
tbh, i wish we would keep her up with chain kicks, and pump on that guy.
mortal gyro
oh, honestly didn't know the aura gave haste as well, thought it was just damage reduction, well, now i feel stupid
spice surge
There is two different ones
The one that gives haste, and the one that removes debuffs+gives dmg reduction
calm grail
Saw a 365 GCs with socket last night Noobe that my tank friend tried to loot specc for me.
Couldn't trade it RIP
surreal lodge
i cant run shrine as assassin 2nd boss makes me lose my mind when it cleanses
run that place in outlaw assass lootspec ez
lone junco
so far my double trinkets have me at 75% haste with lust.
i messed with the apl to sync them. it is a small loss to fathoms. but I think it will be better in the short burst, and the vuln phases.
calm grail
Simmed GCs. Was a 2% upgrade for me. Obviously it's value would vary based on the boss.
lone junco
if sustained uptime was my goal, id just play snake
i really like the Mountain peaks.
strange python
I feel an ss nerf coming on
calm grail
Yeah but if they nerf SS it looks like they are probably going to be buffing everything else which I'm okay with honestly.
As long as there are truly compelling choices
surreal lodge
ss nerf or an exsang nerf for this expac haha
hybrid chasm
are you guys going for 2x SS and 1x Laser Matrix trait? and how many ilvl is SS worth? 😄
severe niche
surreal lodge
im part of the no uldir azerite items club
severe niche
legit did a +10 kings rest last night
strange python
@calm grail agreed
chilly obsidian
foxy are you outside kr right now
severe niche
ye
chilly obsidian
icu
chilly obsidian
no im stealthed youll murder me
lone junco
i hate fast giffs.
lone junco
severe niche
relogged twice stillbroken
arctic crow
To maximaze elaborate planning, should I be pooling energy at full cps?
thin plinth
guys shrouded suffocation stacks right ?
onyx wind
Yes
spice surge
Only damage effect stacks, its like that with every trait
obtuse island
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
arctic crow
you mean envonem
severe niche
fixed it
safe matrix
@thin plinth
severe niche
you just have to relog on your toon that has the achievement
then you should be able to zone back in
if it happens to anyone else
welp there goes my spot on kings rest 10 key 😦
rip m+ score
my group needs to do some higher key pushes 🤔 https://raider.io/characters/us/kiljaeden/Foxynights
casuals farming 10's
urban storm
probably
spice surge
I mean, it was pretty much guaranteed prior to that as well
urban storm
i dont know how you can read that and expect SS to stay how it is
severe niche
look at rank 6 mother
this kid has the most donkey traits
and is still pumping
ss isnt that op
just better than others
why cant there be a 'best' trait?
urban storm
it doesnt matter what you think
there's always a best trait
look at the rest of the list
severe niche
i mean
obviously
rank 1 with 2
so
23 has a titan and 2 sharpened blades
omegameme
look at any other class
ur gona see the same trait stacking for top end parses
no different
urban storm
yeah and theyre going ot nerf them
severe niche
the system is shit not the traits being op themselves per say