We're still going to be very strong
#assassination
strange python
I really wonder wwhy method and limit use sin
The subs are there for specific jobs
spice frost
I’m all for method stacking sub rogues. Less chance of ss nerf
strange python
dont use*
They stack Sub for the burst
Sin isn't as on demand burst on short CD
unreal sundial
oh no they have changed 2 of their 6 rogues to sin now
spice frost
@strange python go with it and maybe we don’t get enrfed
strange python
Ahh cool
versed osprey
Let them think sub rogues are spooky keeps our SS safe
versed osprey
Yea
spice frost
Lol
unreal sundial
lmaoo
versed osprey
Useless trait! 😰
unreal sundial
2x is better than 3x ss
strange python
In Uldir yeah
unreal sundial
the uldir haste thing is sexual
waxen tide
when do I use galecaller? right before exsanguinate to buff the ticks?
strange python
Haven't gotten Laser Memetrix though
spice frost
I still need to cap conquest for the 355. Or get lucky on h fetid this week
main blaze
I just hope we dont get nerfed somehow because of SS damage in m+
strange python
Need Cowl of Dark Portents TBQH
versed osprey
That conquest reward is looking juicy
strange python
Yeah it is nice
Too bad I have Fetid's 355 <.<
What are the secondary traits on it again
spice frost
@waxen tide use it before exsang. I’ve found using it right on pull it’s up to snapshot the exsang and then can be up for 2nd exsang if you hold exsang for like 5s.
smoky niche
Should I only be using PB instead of CT on boss fights?
strange python
not necessarily
spice frost
Pb mostly
waxen tide
@spice frost ty
spice frost
If your raids add dmg sucks on like zul or something ct might be worth it but I doubt it
I did norm last night just stayed pb whole time. Doing h tonight. Staying pb whole time
spice frost
Zul is a st fight imo. Push boss before you get more adds
smoky niche
Pad? Sorry I'm a scrub when it comes to slang
strange python
Boost your DPS on irrelevant mobs
smoky niche
Ahhhh okay
strange python
Take aoe traits where the small guys aren't important to get down fast
spice frost
Up your overall dps to the detriment of killing the boss=pad
strange python
While hurting your ST potential
Like Ct on Zul
or SecTec on Zul
uhhhh what else would be padding
smoky niche
Ah okay. But CT is best for Mythics, yeah?
strange python
Usually
spice frost
If your tank pulls big.
strange python
This week PB is stronger than usual
versed osprey
Is it ?
spice frost
If it’s all 2-3 mob pulls pb is on par imo.
versed osprey
At higher myhics pulls seem to slow
strange python
But Ct is superb
smoky niche
Ive only played with PB but CT sounds fun
smoky niche
And I want to play with it in an optimal scenario
mental nest
SecTec on Zul is not padding wtf the fight is literraly 2/3 targets at all time
marble hemlock
get a tank that pulls more than 3mobs, and have atleast ~20-25% crit @smoky niche and youll be fine with CT
smoky niche
Okay, cute, thank you c:
marble hemlock
well
marble hemlock
~2%, yes
round sail
its also passive
fallow walrus
And how much more is CT over PB on trash?
marble hemlock
ive had runs with 13% CT overall damage
fallow walrus
Ye, I already gotta manage garrote, rupture and exang
marble hemlock
compared to PB, which stays at 2-3%
limber dew
is there a macro for GCB and Exang?
lament dove
it's funny how 2% is big on sims, but if it's poison bomb, it's nothing^^
limber dew
or is it literally /use GCB /cast exang? as a macro?
marble hemlock
obviously that 13% comes with some opportunity cost because it couldve been a rupture instead
fallow walrus
seli, you gotta use combo points to maintain CT tho, while those could have been used on other stuff ye
versed osprey
Amd how much do you lose using combopoints on ct whereas pb is auto
marble hemlock
we wouldnt use rupture at all if it didnt generate energy every tick
cause its damage is pitiful right now
versed osprey
Rupture is not a non factor
marble hemlock
from a pure damage perspective? it kinda is
fallow walrus
You wanna rupture like 3-4 targets
versed osprey
Rupture is a investment in energy
strange python
Toxic Blade or Exsanguinate ........ cant tell when to change to Exsanguinate
marble hemlock
yeah, thats what im saying
but since even with CT youre capping energy in most scenarios
strange python
Still does a bit of damage
kindred forge
@strange python When sims tell you to
marble hemlock
that part of rupture loses its value, and were looking strictly at raw damage output
fallow walrus
How do you even cap energy
strange python
Yeah lol
fallow walrus
Spend it?
marble hemlock
by spreading ruptures?
fallow walrus
You gotta build tho
versed osprey
Maybe im doing it wrong but i dont cap that fast idk
humble nimbus
Just level 52 but do you wanna dot all your targets in aoe with Garrote?
marble hemlock
if youre having 6-7 ruptures rolling you cant spend it as quickly as you get it
unless youre spamming CT obviously
but hitting that sweetspot of barely keeping up enough ruptures to maintain spamming fok>CT is not as easy
versed osprey
Thats alot of mobs though
smoky niche
Wait so should i just spam low cp ruptures in big groups for the energy?
strange python
So your point is the energy regeneration of rupture is a non-factor because of the energy regeneration of rupture?
versed osprey
What if its a 3-4 mob pack
marble hemlock
well, you open with 3garr>ct and then spread ruptures as you build CP with fok
versed osprey
I feel like ct is lacking there
strange python
It can be very hard to keep ruptures and Ct up yeah
versed osprey
Do i really want ct for that
strange python
You'll have ruptures dropping off
unreal sundial
would love if there was an addon that listed adds effected by yojr dots as if they were boss frames
strange python
I'll try running PB for a bit now
I still like Ct for on-demand aoe
It does like 12% of my damage on a mythic+ run!
versed osprey
I just feel like pb is all round safer choice
strange python
ofc
versed osprey
It will always be good
versed osprey
Ct has high potential but can also be meh
grizzled harness
PB's boring
strange python
lol
grizzled harness
:(
smoky niche
Idc about good, I need to be the BEST
strange python
Method buying daggers from the AH
lament dove
on a sidenote: going with PB you have more energy, which translates to more DP dmg, it's not the PB that does most of the aoe dmg
versed osprey
LOL
strange python
Self-Rotating Dagger of Xing!
smoky niche
HYES
strange python
LUUUUUUL
smoky niche
Sounds like me
versed osprey
Lawl
scenic quail
i mean
strange python
They should've seen it a mile away tbh
scenic quail
they are running 5 of them right now
lament dove
how come everybody and their puppy plays rogues, but not in Method...?
strange python
Sub was great for prio damage on Zul heroic
fallow walrus
When is the best time to use Exsan btw after you have used it on opener? You try to refresh rupture and garrote at the same time?
versed osprey
Yea how didnt they see this wut
grizzled harness
Yup Sekuso
versed osprey
Rogues are everywhere lol
grizzled harness
You don't 5cp rupt everytime
fallow walrus
Alright but what about the scenario where you just refreshed garrote, but rupture is at 15 sec left, do you refresh rupture and then exsang ?
grizzled harness
You do 3+5 or 4+4 between exsang
fallow walrus
What's Pandemic
strange python
DoT mechanic
fallow walrus
ohh right
grizzled harness
You always refresh before exs
strange python
When you refresh a dot with time still left on the prior dot
fallow walrus
the 5.4 thingie
strange python
You add 30% of the other dot's duration
scenic quail
just dont play exsang X D
fallow walrus
It sims higher
hard plaza
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strange python
exsang > tb
grizzled harness
Pandemic is the reason you open with gar>rupt>gar
strange python
^
fallow walrus
huh
strange python
It's why our opener is so weird
jovial kite
its not weird in any way tbh
fallow walrus
Explain, why not garr + garr + rupt?
jovial kite
grizzled harness
It feels weird
smoky niche
Which of those WA would you guys recommend? 🤔
strange python
Garrote->3CP Rupture->Garrote(gets pandemic and is still Ss+Subterfurge empowered)->Mut->5CP rupture(gets pandemic)->Exsang
So I sim with TB and sim with Ex , TB is clearly higher dps
You get as much duration as possible
pure sparrow
then do TB
winter lance
do you guys try to get your exsang sync with CT as well?
strange python
Vendetta before Mutilate or before Exsang (I've seen top parses do both ways)
fallow walrus
Nadem is that the same opener with TB instead of EXsang?
smoky niche
@Nadem does that rotation change at all with CT or do you just focus on CT after the rotation?
strange python
Yeah I got 17K first week and 18.5K this week on Fetid and feel like shit
Not even top 100
😩 🔫
minor root
Heya fellas, trying out some assa lately, unsure how to pick m+ talents, especially last row, do you just pick whichever sims best on multi target? what am i looking for when deciding what to run
jovial kite
hc ranks though
fallow walrus
I see
amber temple
@minor root I think people do hectic cleave
minor root
i see
lament dove
I always do hectic cleave on the keyboard in combat
jovial kite
18k
jovial kite
aye papa bless 🙏
exsangery
i played all of legion progress pmuch as exsang
well, after AP was deleted
shy axle
played exang before it was cool
tardy spruce
outside of the opener and the aoe opener, where should i drop exang in?
on boss fights, sorry
on cd after that or?
strange python
The Self-Rotating Dagger of Xing market is going to explode on Tarren Mill
tardy spruce
are most people using PB on the m+ this week?
strange python
Yeah a lot of
tardy spruce
as it seems that mobs die before i can wind uo the exang# dots
strange python
people are
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
grizzled harness
!ss
tardy spruce
with tempest
grizzled harness
Are they ever gonna do something about SS?
grizzled harness
...yeah
tardy spruce
how do we pop exang when using pb in aoe? drop 3 garrotes, rup then pop exang
rich olive
How much haste do you guys run with win m+ gear?
grizzled harness
My luck has tuned myself already anyway, just got the one...
nimble gulch
like 16% atm is what im rocking
rich olive
Yeah i feel like 15-16% is a good number
nimble gulch
yeah then liek 13%in crit and 36% in mastery
vestal venture
hey just returning to assa after outlaw DS nerfs. is talent row 90 to go talent exsang nowadays?
rich olive
I'm 19% Crit, 15.04% Haste, 34.47% Mastery Feels like a good mixture.
strange python
depends on what you want to do
grizzled harness
Exs or TB
vestal venture
aight
grizzled harness
TB's boring
nimble gulch
but exsang has good burst potencial
rich olive
Ok so i have a question, outside of the opener as usual. Do you try to get the full rupture duration & garrote before using 2nd exsang.
this is for your 2nd exsang
nimble gulch
yea
sure
i would save up vanish
so u can do vanish double garote then rupture
and then exsang
rich olive
Well
white moss
Is using galecaller's in M+ worth?
rich olive
Don't u usually use 1st exsang on opener, 2nd after and keep 3rd for vanish/vendetta?
grizzled harness
Saving Vanish for 90sec feels wrong
rich olive
Wut? oO
rich olive
Haven't come across a gale yet :/
sand canyon
doing it right now
pure sparrow
@rich olive the problem with doing 3 exsanguinates is that your second vanish is delayed by about 20 seconds
compact void
Hey guys , i'd like to know what is the best use for Exsanguinate and how to use it correctly ?
pure sparrow
that might mean on long raid style fights, instead of getting three vanishes in there, you only get two
rich olive
@pure sparrow i usually do 2 exsanguinates and delay the 3rd for vanish/vendetta
grizzled harness
So you're keeping Vanish on CD for a shitload of time
small island
Do yall use raidbots stat weights or u use simulationcraft? Im getting different values for dps and stat weights from using both. raidbot report 14.2k dps while simulationcraft report 12.8k
grizzled harness
Vanish for 2nd exsang
main blaze
raidbots = simulationcraft
grizzled harness
Neih?
sand canyon
@floral meadow i actucally think its broken in m+ wait till ppl figure out 😉
plain thistle
if you consider how the APL of simc plays, you delay vanish and vendetta to use with the fourth exsanguinate, at 2:25s ~
grizzled harness
So you're not even waiting 2nd exs to Vanish?
plain thistle
@strange python you will be holding vanish for 10s for that combo
pure sparrow
is that even optimal
strange python
Should've been more clear
strange python
That's what I do
Might be wrong though
Depends on your estimated fight length too
strange python
This
grizzled harness
Not like we're fighting dummies
pure sparrow
^, i've made the caveat everytime i've given advice that you should only delay exsang, if you're pretty sure you're going to get a 3rd vanish off
if you're only ever going to get two off because of burst windows or just fights dead, exsang early
rich olive
So what is the best case scenario for 2nd exsang/vanish
opaque grotto
Holy moly
Exsang on opener
2nd exsang when it comes off cd
Delay 3rd exsang for vendetta/vanish
It’s that easy
nimble gulch
XD
pure sparrow
how are you delaying exsang for vanish if the cooldowns don't line up
rich olive
^
grizzled harness
So you're delaying Vanish ?
pure sparrow
the 3rd one
plain thistle
@opaque grotto
plain thistle
no, its better to delay vanish and vendetta for the fourth exns
opaque grotto
You vanish like 10-12 seconds after you press your first exsang
grizzled harness
Alright
opaque grotto
Then you exsang again
grizzled harness
Yeah
plain thistle
that way you only delay vanish for 10s and not exsanguinate for 30-35 s
rich olive
Yes
grizzled harness
So Vanish without exsang
opaque grotto
NO omg
plain thistle
yes
gleaming prism
!guide
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grizzled harness
The first vanish ffs
pure sparrow
yes
opaque grotto
You delay your THIRD exsang for your SECOND vanish
plain thistle
thats is the only vanish+vendetta that you will delay, after that you just save vendetta for vanish and exsanguinate on CD
autumn pagoda
For the third you delay exsan for vendetta and vanish
grizzled harness
Then save Vendetta and exsang for 2nd vanish
spice frost
The way I’ve been doing it is vanish to double garrote as soon as the exsang on on opened expires. This will not get exsang. Exsang again around when it’s off cd (pair with galecallers, requires a ~5s hold). Exsang when off cd. Vendetta+vanish+exsang+galecallers at around 225-230 into fight
nimble gulch
Xd this chat is so funny 😄
grizzled harness
That's what I'm saying
plain thistle
wrong
spice surge
You dont save THIRD exsang, vanish lines up already with FOURTH, so you just hold vendetta for 10 secs
opaque grotto
You have to delay your second vendetta for your second vanish
plain thistle
yes, and you will use it with the FOURTH exsanguinate, not with the THIRD
you dont hold exsanguinate for 30-35s
sacred ore
apparently AskMrRobot tells me something else and raidbots tells me something else
AMR doesnt suggest shrouded suffocation
i wonder
:/
hard merlin
When playing SS, how come the opener is Garrote, Rupture, Garrote? What is the reason for reapplying it? Thanks
spice surge
AMR is done by "in house specialists" whereas raidbots allows anybody to contribute
gleaming prism
while the exang disscussion is going on: how do I use it in m+ ? just on cd with fresh bleeds?
spice frost
@hard merlin max pandemic before exsang
sacred ore
i shouldnt use AMR?
spice frost
@gleaming prism on trash, ill garrote 3 mobs and rupture the third one I garrote. Then use exsang on it. Then spread ruptures
sacred ore
xD
sacred ore
should i put shrouded suffocation in all of my gears?
spice frost
If possible yes
sacred ore
azerite gears ^^^
gleaming prism
alright thanks cooby
rich olive
So can we get a closure on the exsang/vanish topic once and for all 😄
sacred ore
and how about tier 2?
strange python
hey dudes, is there anywhere I can find info on exsanguinate vs toxic blade? in which scenario is either the best?
spice frost
You will eventually want 1 laser matrix while inside uldir
sacred ore
what should i stack?
supple wolf
Wtf is amr and why is this amr saying no to SS which is clearly the absolute strongest trait?
strange python
Tbh
opaque grotto
Well there are two arguments it seems
sacred ore
@supple wolf im surprised also
strange python
Look at the cast timeline of top parses
hard merlin
Thanks @spice frost, so just to stack duration essentially? 😃
surreal rivet
surreal rivet
need more haste
strange python
What's your haste
strange python
Beast
opaque grotto
I guess item levels matter a lot over 360
I’m 360 and sim like 600 dps below you
With 3x exsang
SS*
strange python
What are your stat weights Cyanide
fierce ingot
Well stats matter..
opaque grotto
Yeah I’m about the same amount of haste as him
grizzled harness
Weapons maybe
grizzled harness
Lucky you
spice surge
Reorigination array
surreal rivet
19% crit 20% haste 27% mastery 4% vers
opaque grotto
You basically have the same stats as me
surreal rivet
X2 SS x1 Dagger in the back
sacred ore
fck this azerite system....
pure sparrow
@sacred ore you can swim them all using top gear on raidbots
thats how i've done it whenever i don't get things like SS
surreal rivet
I think it’s the agility from the 385 Azerite helm
spice frost
@hard merlin yes. Would you rather an 18s garrote do double dmg over 9s or a 24s garrote do double dmg over 12s.
limber wind
What's your agi?
spice frost
Essentially is why
opaque grotto
700 dps difference?
sacred ore
@pure sparrow if i get SS i use it always without simming?
surreal rivet
Not home atm let me find a way to check xD
pure sparrow
i mean, sim it anyway just to get half a chub, but its always better yes
wheat zealot
Ss is undervalued in cleave sims
opaque grotto
Yeah I can’t check anything on mobile rofl
opaque grotto
Yeah I only have one socket I think
opaque grotto
I have a 340 galecaller’s on
surreal rivet
The dice trinket is insane
limber wind
Alot of uptime?
surreal rivet
Sometimes it triple procs each buff
opaque grotto
What ilvl is yours?
surreal rivet
355 with agil socket
limber wind
Worth spamming freehold keys I guess?
opaque grotto
So you have 4 sockets and a superior trinket
surreal rivet
I’ve done 24 freeholds
limber wind
Damn
spice frost
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/f7E6NnJuwb93AyazwXK8n1. Up until yesterday haste was simming way higher. Gear then was ~1300 haste, now I’m at ~1250 and haste value plummeted. Make sure I’m not being extra dumb. Anything I’m missing/picking wrong for sim?
opaque grotto
“Plummeted” is a bad word to say
Your stats are all pretty close
Also there’s NO way haste is almost above weapon dps
spice frost
My hate used to be highest. Now crit mast and agi all higher. And my haste went down so it’s not like I hit a breakpoint somwhere
Just doesn’t really make sense
opaque grotto
It’s just how much dps you gain per stat relative to your other stats
They fluctuate, it happens
surreal rivet
Oh I was wrong lol
mortal gyro
hello guys, new here
lament dove
they are pretty close, the dps difference is very small, so they switch places often
wide drum
is it worth taking a lower ilvl piece of gear that has haste over one with vers/mas, for exampel?
fading spade
Sim it
lament dove
it depends on your current stats
mortal gyro
you running Exsanguinate Cyanide?
wide drum
Im new to simming, ^ looks like thats the place to go "Raidbots" ...thanks guys
surreal rivet
Yup @mortal gyro
strange python
385 azerite helm from first chest your rng is blessed
mortal gyro
is bleeds currently better than poison?
north terrace
@mortal gyro according to his sim he is lol
mortal gyro
yeah, I'm just surprised, I guess I haven't ever tried playing with that talent yet in BFA
surreal rivet
If you have enough haste yes
wide drum
i found a nasty opening combo for exsanguinate, i was doing 18.3k as a 353ilvl
mortal gyro
when do you even apply Exsanguinate?
unborn narwhal
anyone else who can't use tricks of the trade anymore? i just get the message "Invalid target" when I want to cast it on my tank
(not using a macro)
mortal gyro
i had that invalid target bug a lot, even couldnt attack targets, apparently you have to click alt 5 times in a row i read?
not sure if it works, but i had to relog
eager dew
Could also be Neural Silencer buff
unborn narwhal
i restarted my game and it didnt work
indigo epoch
Garrote
Rupture
Garrote
Vendetta
Mutilate
Rupture
Exsanguinate when talented
unborn narwhal
@eager dew that might be it!
vestal venture
when is it optimal to swap to CT instead of PB? do you swap to CT at tyrannical week ever?
wide drum
yea, @indigo epoch has got it
mortal gyro
why not just garrote garrote rupture vendetta exsanguinate? or am i retarded
surreal rivet
Blizz needs to fix ss bug
mortal gyro
i never played bleed
north terrace
@mortal gyro pandemic
mortal gyro
so i might be
indigo epoch
If only there were some sort of guide somewhere to explain rotations..... hmmmmmmm
wide drum
After that exsanguinate, you (muta x2, env x1) x 3 then vanish double garrote again
midnight nimbus
Ggg is a huge overcap with SS too isn't it? Or do we forget about overcapping for the opener..?
wide drum
into rupture
paper tulip
Can someone explain to me why you wouldn't use vendetta as soon as a pull happens? Why use it like 5 abilities in? Wouldn't you want the extra damage to be applied to the initial bleeds?
north terrace
@mortal gyro the current opener gives you the highest time on the strongest dots you can before dropping exsang
stuck shuttle
@paper tulip because Vendetta gives you energy back
paper tulip
ok
vestal venture
when is it optimal to swap to CT instead of PB? do you swap to CT at tyrannical week ever?
stuck shuttle
@vestal venture for M+ , PB better for tyrannical
midnight nimbus
Pb for tyrannical, ct for fortified isn't it?
north terrace
@paper tulip also you get vendetta empowered exsang bleeds
strange python
pb really better in tyranniccal? even tho huge dps less on trash packs?
fading spade
TB still sims higher for me than exang. I must really have bad stats lmao
stuck shuttle
u must have really high mastery
mortal gyro
@north terrace current you mean the one written on the guide? or what epoxe said?
stuck shuttle
@strange python it's a big dps loss to use CT on ST
strange python
ofc
stuck shuttle
its just a waste of CP
strange python
Yeah
wide drum
@fading spade you might not have the haste
warm sable
I know its all about sim but is haste still top stats than crit or we go other way more crit than haste /
stuck shuttle
not that MUCH
you still get PB procs
I still pull around 20-25k on trash
in high level keys
without CT
strange python
Those 5 CP used for CT can be used on Rupture spreading
unborn narwhal
but if you run PB you might as well run TB too, right?
stuck shuttle
no
stuck shuttle
you cant time TB and PB
strange python
Especially on M+
huh I guess I havent tried PB in m+ since week one so I can give it a shot
stuck shuttle
Exsang is so good on M+
strange python
If you have TB you use it on CD
stuck shuttle
for burst
warm sable
I dont gonna use Exang until i get 3 ss
stuck shuttle
i use exsang with 1xSS
warm sable
Rly ?
surreal rivet
Yes
strange python
SIM it
zealous lily
yea only thing is that on a lot of bosses on tyr even with good dps you will not get 2 lineups
stuck shuttle
I sim at 14.7 with 1xSS 1xLaser Matrix 1xDouble Dose
strange python
In m+ I would ALWAYS take Exsang
warm sable
I know its allways about sim ...
zealous lily
if there's no hero you should generally get 2 lineups even with elite dps
on like a 10 key
unborn narwhal
so what do you do if you don't have any ss?
stuck shuttle
dont run exsang
zealous lily
play a different spec 😛
surreal rivet
^
strange python
Ye
zealous lily
yeah before I got a 385 ss headpiece my sin simmed 1k below the others
now it's 500-700 above the others
strange python
simming 1x or 2x SS for m+ tricky though cause It doesnt take into account stealthing between packs
Fuuuk 385
From cache?
zealous lily
course
stuck shuttle
the only place it can come from
surreal rivet
I got a 385 dagger in the back helm
zealous lily
now gotta pray for 385 cache shoulders
surreal rivet
Same
strange python
Fucking lucky bastard
surreal rivet
Got the heroic chest from fetid
And have 340 shoulders from freehold
Which need to go
zealous lily
yeah
fetid had nothing for me on heroic this week have to go to normal
still using 340s
stuck shuttle
shoulder SS will be the hardest to get
surreal rivet
Rip
zealous lily
and tank got the fetid chest so i couldnt snipe it from him
wide drum
my guild finally killed Zul this week, no loot, bonus roll ...the "loot" icon popped up ...got bracers. no wep. ...RIP
wide drum
my guilds struggling my H mythrax ...lul
lament dove
I got 370 and 385 azerite pieces from weekly chest and quest, but they are not SS :\
zealous lily
yeah cut most of the raid
stuck shuttle
or it will be a shit show
zealous lily
for myth and guun
my guild kept bringing 27 people to guun we couldn't rekill
also blizzard's hostfix didn't actually apply
surreal rivet
^^^^^^
zealous lily
all the explosives still going out
surreal rivet
We just skipped heroic re kill and went to m mother
stuck shuttle
I actually got bugged on Mythrax
zealous lily
that's smart
stuck shuttle
and I was MC'd forever
sand canyon
@dense fern u mean why i dont race change to troll due to haste?
stuck shuttle
until a blizz GM had to unstuck me
surreal rivet
@sand canyon I might race change to troll from orc tbh
@stuck shuttle I had a point where I was wedged in between 2 mcs and a wall
And was bouncing in between them infinitely
stuck shuttle
yeah that fight is buggy af
I waited 4 hours for a Blizz GM to remove the MC debuff on me
sand canyon
@surreal rivet hm i have that race as a trinket 😄
stuck shuttle
I legit couldn't move my character for 4 hours
surreal rivet
xD
stuck shuttle
and imagine
sand canyon
actucally
sand canyon
gale performing better then expected in m
brisk forge
Way better better since trolls is ugly xD
unborn narwhal
apparently a 370 chest with laser matrix is stronger than a 355 with ss, because the first sims higher than the latter :E
stuck shuttle
yes
my 370 Lazer Matrix helm from uldir simmed way better than my 340xSS
the 3rd SS trait is less valuable than the first 2
especially against high ilvl pieces
pseudo finch
😮
north helm
fellas when playing with exsang do you let the bleeds run out when u use it?
pseudo finch
spread me more of that knowledge
north helm
figured, thanks!
unborn narwhal
why not? and @stuck shuttle that sim was with 0ss vs 1ss piece :/
fading spade
@wide drum I most likely dont. I switched last night from sub to sin and currently all my gear is optimized for sub lol
I'm sitting at 12% haste rn
little frigate
awesome! got the 370 azerite chest from the quest! too bad it doesnt have the SS trait which means its WORSE than my 355 piece
surreal rivet
@sand canyon you’d think gale would be good on paper I thought it was but it sims low for me
little frigate
gj blizztard
pseudo finch
trololol, i was using exsang and seeing Rupture near pandemic range and always refreshed -.-
surreal rivet
In exsang I refresh at ~1 sec
surreal rivet
LOL
unborn narwhal
😪
pseudo finch
With the SS bug, does that still apply if i garote a 4th mob. So i Garrte 3 different target all with the SS buff and my 4th garrote is on a different target ?
little frigate
370 azerite chest sucks ass
brave locust
minimum number of targets for CT? cant find it in the guide
crisp lava
3+
surreal rivet
You’ll be in the big boy club soon @quartz ember
rich olive
3+ you keep CT debuff up i think its 5-6+ you spam CT
brave locust
thanks
little frigate
fishing for that head is tough when only one dungeon drops it @surreal rivet
surreal rivet
Damn
warm cove
:0
winter lance
holy
surreal rivet
I wish
main blaze
replaced a 350 ring
unborn narwhal
o.o
lament dove
heed my call sims 100 dps lower to me compared to owerwhelming as well
hollow stone
winter fog
Is it correct to rupture more than 3 targets? Icy veins guide says only rupture up to 3 targets
lethal jungle
What is the SS bug?
winter fog
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
main blaze
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
main blaze
lol
fiery cradle
ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
winter fog
so, anyone know how to play multitarget correctly? how many targets do you rupture?
indigo epoch
3
warm cove
depends on the situation though
main blaze
If you are running scent of blood I think its as many as you can for the extra agility.
if you arent using that trait, its generally 3 targets
winter fog
and how many do I garrotte (bug aside)? As many as possible?
main blaze
garrote is usually limited by its CD so it takes awhile to reapply garrotes on everything
rich olive
It only makes sense to garrote 3 in the opener. Other than that, keep it on cd i guess.
main blaze
but if you have SS trait you want 3 up on the pull
pure violet
how are you guys working out the value of ss stacking in m+? i have 3 x 340 pieces with ss and 1 x 385 without. I can't for the life of me figure out if it's worth dropping 1x ss for the higher ilvl piece in m+
fiery cradle
i'm using 325 ss pieces xd
main blaze
Yeah I havent figured that out myself. SS is very strong in m+
stuck shuttle
yes
wicked nymph
this is my sim but after i start the fight and get out of Vendetta my dmg drop to 7k this is not normal or im just bad right?
wheat zealot
Probably just bad lul
warm cove
7k is low
main blaze
but I only have azerite with SS on it so far so I havent had to decide
strange python
Ye you're bad
surreal rivet
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sKH5K6bE7h3xrDcycjZLKY x2 Ss out values everything for me
rich olive
Sim 5-6 targets, 40sec patchwerk i guess? see if the dmg difference is big.
strange python
7K is trash
wheat zealot
Link logs we will pick them apart
strange python
Exactly
Link logs pls and we'll try to help
We've done this plenty of times to ourselves and others lul
If you can get good at reading your own logs you can gain a lot from knowing your mistakes
whats best 100 talent for m+?
wicked nymph
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/WahTNQF7x2LZr1Rj/ this our logs from yesterday
strange python
How many times have we answered that question now?
rich olive
It depends on pulls & dungeon
wicked nymph
i know my uptime was really bad
strange python
Both PB and CT are decent but it depends
well
basically I wanna know when ct is good
MUTTER
rich olive
If you can keep 5+ mob pulls go ahead with CT.
warm cove
weapon dmg/ilvl doesnt matter that much to sin?
sand canyon
FUCK I LOVE THAT TRINKET
strange python
I want to NUTTER inside MUTTER
frosty gyro
So just wondering is it better to only do 2 ensanguinate or do 3 and wait to use vendetta/vanish until it's up again?
gritty plume
Do we have a general idea of when the uldir trait plus the stacking secondary stat will make 2xSS+laser beam > 3SS?
rancid oxide
2 and hold exsang pretty sure
stuck shuttle
@gritty plume u want 2xSS + 1xLaser in Uldir
warm cove
Does this make any sense to you guys? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/q4rmnTQdwBg9WoPgFYFGXG look at the weapon difference
gritty plume
Got it thanks
warm cove
seems like very small upgrades
pure violet
thats just it, i dont think there's a hard and fast rule for simming m+ i guess. especially when looking at trait stacking vs higher ilvl. i'll try dropping 1 x 340 ss item for a 385 without. so confusing.
stuck shuttle
if you have low SS pieces, you can replace 1xSS with a big ilvl upgrade
I run 2xSS 1xLaser in M+ and pull top dps every time
strange python
well I have 355 ss and would farm 2 340 ss
Have 370 non ss and 355 laser
@wicked nymph I'll look at your logs when I get home
unborn narwhal
@stuck shuttle what kind of dps do you do on avg. in m+? (total, not boss fight)
rancid oxide
If you can't do proper opener on a raid boss due to mechanics (Getting mc'd on mythrax for example) when should I use vanish?
wicked nymph
@strange python ok np big thank you
unborn narwhal
with flask/pots/food etc.?
stuck shuttle
only flask
strange python
which weapons should I farm ?
warm cove
no weapons, weapon damage for dps upgrade is fake
unborn narwhal
hm, interesting. bossfight dps is around 11-12k then?
fiery cradle
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
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stuck shuttle
depends on the boss @unborn narwhal
strange python
Your opener is all wrong btw Cald
Look at the guide in the pins
yeah but I gotta farm some weapons for stats
which are best to farm in dungeons then
daring imp
method stacking sub rogues for zul M
wheat zealot
Tol dagor
daring imp
nerfs inc 🐢
wheat zealot
For them crit haste ones
warm cove
depends on your stat weights, but yes prob crit haste
strange python
ZuLul
rich olive
Stacking sub rogues
wheat zealot
Im still stuck with 350 xings
strange python
Shuriken Storm op
unreal minnow
why is my sim trash
strange python
It isn't that trash
unreal minnow
on wow progress theres guys at 15.5k+
strange python
14.5K seems in line with your ilvl
wheat zealot
There probably 370 lol
strange python
Maybe he has perfect itemization
daring imp
yea ignore those, they got lucky with ss traits probably on 370~385 gear
strange python
Or is 370 ye
sacred ore
guys can i use 2210021 in AoE & Single target?
daring imp
lul
wheat zealot
rich olive
gotem
fiery cradle
does any1 have a subterfuge empowered garrote wa they can sauce me
sacred ore
so assassination rogue has only one talent setup for both AoE and Single Target?
pseudo finch
😦
stuck shuttle
its just a buffedgarrote
wheat zealot
Use CT for aoe
stuck shuttle
@sacred ore no you can run 3 at the end
rich olive
Pretty sure mizerok has a buffed garrote wa
stuck shuttle
but 1 is viable too
strange python
a swole garrote?
stuck shuttle
CT for AoE is good
but staying with PB is fine also
if youre lazy to swap like me
wheat zealot
I prefer staying with pb on dungeons like kings rest, dungeons like motherlode CT all day
rich olive
It's actually crazy how many ppl are asking about PB vs CT
indigo epoch
sacred ore
guys i shouldnt use another garrote on an empowered garrote until is is ticked off completely?
daring imp
freehold painful motivation padding with ct 
unborn narwhal
yes @sacred ore
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
undone verge
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
rich olive
@sacred ore Wait till your empowered garrote falls off before using another.
stuck shuttle
so much SS talk here you'd think this was a nazi channel
sacred ore
SS still bugged?!?!
pseudo finch
😄
stuck shuttle
yes still bugged
wheat zealot
sacred ore
waaaaa
pure sand
Should you still garrote twice out of stealth? I thought I read that only the first one was empowered even with the extended stealth abilities
lone plaza
How many CP do you guys usually Rupture adds/trash before the FoK spam?
rich olive
Would this be the same game if bugs were getting fixed? i guess not.
unborn narwhal
@stuck shuttle https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gQnLmDjbb7ETBfapYh9qRf i just feel lost with my rogue atm. any ideas what i should do? >_>
frosty gyro
Wait so is that saying that when you refresh your SS garrote it keeps the subterfuge damage bonus?
wheat zealot
13.3k at 362
stuck shuttle
you lsoe the buff
frosty gyro
Well that's obvious
rich olive
@frosty gyro Subterfuge garrote x3 - if you use a garrote out of stealth the 3 other garrotes becomes unbuffed.
and it goes vice versa.
frosty gyro
OH
stuck shuttle
no its not obvious lol
frosty gyro
For multitarget
stuck shuttle
thats the bug
frosty gyro
I see
fallow walrus
It is such a stupid bug as well
dawn root
And do not cast garrote until all 3 have fallen off
sacred ore
i mean cuz its bugged
stuck shuttle
@unborn narwhal you're just unlucky with gear.. too much mastery
wheat zealot
Just because its bugged doesnt mean its bad at all
stuck shuttle
You should sim MP to see if its better
pseudo finch
@unborn narwhal Gimme your trinkets plz , thank s:)
frosty gyro
So does no one know how many times you are supposed to une exsanguinate?
strange python
HEY GUYS
frosty gyro
Keep asking and no one replies
strange python
Do YOU EXSANG CT?
dawn root
You use exang on CD with priority targets
wheat zealot
Your question is unclear
indigo epoch
EVERYTIME.
sacred ore
guys i use toxic blade before envenom always? or on cd?
unborn narwhal
@stuck shuttle my m+ grp made me switch from sub to assa :~ @pseudo finch 😃
frosty gyro
Exsanguinate has a 45sec CD vanish/vendetta are 2 min
indigo epoch
Clear enough?
rich olive
I use it all the time btw
frosty gyro
And you want to use them all together if I'm not mistaken
stuck shuttle
@unborn narwhal yeah high mastery is fucking you
rich olive
For me its more like when i feel like using it.
stuck shuttle
you need haste
silver egret
i only use exsang 100 times a day, once i hit that cap i dont use it at all, no matter the content
unkempt gulch
wat
stuck shuttle
@frosty gyro on a 5min fight, you exsang ~5 times
sacred ore
guys i use toxic blade before envenom always? or on cd?
frosty gyro
Or do you just not care about having exsang up for vanish/vendetta
pseudo finch
i only use exsang 100 times a day, once i hit that cap i dont use it at all, no matter the content
strange python
Lmaooo
frosty gyro
Nice chat full of trolls 👌
wheat zealot
stuck shuttle
I answered you seriously.
frosty gyro
No one has actually
stuck shuttle
I said on a 5 min fight, ~5 times
strange python
I unequip all my SS gear when we do public logs so bliss won't nerf it
sacred ore
everyone answered seriously :/
frosty gyro
I guess I'll go into incredible detail since answering me is so hard I guess
strange python
I also unequip it when I log out
hushed turtle
U wont always have exang for vanish
median mason
Answering you is hard
hushed turtle
but u try to line it up with vendetta every time
pseudo finch
thats his question
median mason
Answering you is hard
wheat zealot
"Incredible detail" = asking a question that actually makes sense
pseudo finch
hes asking if he should hold his 3rd for ven/van
jovial kite
you should definitely always have exsang up for vanish
wheat zealot
rich olive
Use Vanish on CD
sacred ore
so i should use raidbots instead of AMR?
frosty gyro
Exsanguinate has a 45sec CD. Vanish and Vendetta have 2 minute CDs. Do I want to use 2 exsanguinate and save it for the 2 min CD. Use 3 and save Vanish/Vendetta for Exsang, or just use it on CD and not care about having it up for Vanish/Vendetta.
hushed turtle
Welll, u vanish after ur opner dots fall off which wont be when exang is off cd
rich olive
AMR
stuck shuttle
1st and 4th Exsang you line up @frosty gyro
wheat zealot
hushed turtle
but then 2:15 sec later, ull have Vendetta vanish exang
jovial kite
you use ur third exsang with vanish and vendetta
stuck shuttle
2nd and 3rd you use as clsoe to CD as possible
jovial kite
at around 2:20
proven pumice
I didn't notice in the Ravenholdt guide. I was looking in the rotation area, but maybe I missed it. I know if I spam mutilate and envenom I'll run out of energy pretty quickly. Is there a good way to determine how often to mutilate?
wicked nymph
@strange python yes that thing with the opener i see today too
stuck shuttle
@jovial kite you should be on the 4th exsang
frosty gyro
@stuck shuttle okay so you sit around with vendetta/vanish of CD for about 25 sec?
hushed turtle
Try to evenom at the last second of elaborate planning
u can pool some energy before doing it if your gonna miss it anyways
stuck shuttle
@stuck shuttle you sit around with vendetta/vanish off cd for about 15s
if you do it right
jovial kite
@hushed turtle yes
stuck shuttle
@frosty gyro
jovial kite
also this is the time you can fish for buffs for free etc etc etc etc
rich olive
Why you @ yourself
stuck shuttle
it was a mistake 😛
frosty gyro
Would be 24 at best I think
pseudo finch
hes that good
frosty gyro
Since Vanish is used 9 seconds after the initial use of exsanguinate
pseudo finch
what
sacred ore
guys i think AMR is ignoring SS cuz its still bugged :/
pseudo finch
is it not ur global before u exsang ?
frosty gyro
Or I guess 8 sec since you have 2 globals
hushed turtle
it is on second vanish
sacred ore
@jovial kite oki :<
rich olive
guis is AMR worth using?
hushed turtle
but u have vanish ready at pull as well as stealth
hushed turtle
so u do ur stealth opener, 15 secs later when garrote is falling off, youll vanish to reapply
jovial kite
stop spreading bullshit
pseudo finch
why ven before rup ?
silver egret
lawlipops
frosty gyro
?