CT for +
#assassination
urban storm
spice surge
Depends on the dungeon
thick jacinth
crimson tempest unless your group needs 2% more boss dmg lmfao
severe niche
trsut me
stuck shuttle
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
severe niche
we have a dh and 2 assassiantoion rogues
glad shuttle
how much hast % should I have at 345?
pearl meteor
ye it depends on ur comp and lvl of key
severe niche
and the week
pearl meteor
its not just pb or ct always
severe niche
if your doing keys that matter you will be taking poison bomb cuz you should have a decent comp at that point
pearl meteor
14 yea obv pb
wet yew
what are your stats for m+, you go with haste or mastery ?
wet yew
also in aoe scenarios?
pearl meteor
aoe is just dotting everything
thick jacinth
for aoe it's like
haste crit mastery vers
for single target you just swap vers and mastery
but yeah just sim
simple stuff
wet yew
true, but just wanted a general overview what everyone is rocking
delicate gull
i thought haste was bad for aoe, pretty sure crit mastery is what you want
i guess 
tho
thick jacinth
ct is still effected by haste
wet yew
how do you guys sim aoe scenarios? with the script from the sub pin?
chilly obsidian
Dots tick faster right?
thick jacinth
yeah
chilly obsidian
Haste is great
inland gull
guys in mythic plus for 3 target 3x garrote - CT is a legit opener ? then if they live long enough put a rupture or 2
pearl meteor
@wet yew hectic add cleave 3 bosses
chilly obsidian
3 garrote ct then afk
thick jacinth
spamming ct for thicc boi numbers
coral nexus
what is ct?
thick jacinth
crimson tempest
coral nexus
oh crimson tempist
quartz ginkgo
Going by the sticky if I 3x garrotte but the last one just missed the subterfuge window did I just fuck everything
pearl meteor
yes
quartz ginkgo
Explains a lot
pearl meteor
🤔
inland gull
i really wish they would finally fix this.. its so annoying bug though
high siren
when you vanish, but garrote still on cd 🤔
thick jacinth
I mean if they fix the bug they gotta nerf us by a lot
quartz ginkgo
Haha I’m a potato and did that once yesterday
thick jacinth
hero was popped and I started sweating thinking about the juicy exsang incoming
and I fucked it on the kill
your dps tanks so hard though if you don't do it right.
ebon dragon
can someone link me the correct string to import on Pawn please?
trail otter
and u just press exsang off cd?
fallow estuary
it even sims great
lone junco
@wet yew m+ is crit
severe niche
ye
fallow estuary
*insane
severe niche
legit impossible
inland gull
i did a +10 boralus, last boss was tough..
fallow estuary
we downed him
but it took us 4 trys and bloodlust
you need to kill him before his second mirror cast
otherwhise its gameover
digital timber
any recommendations for good rogue twitch streams?
inland gull
isit possible to change azerite traits in sim without actually changing them?
pearl meteor
@digital timber frag
lone junco
@digital timber
severe niche
"Self-promotion, links, and blatant advertising"
so you can link othersstream
but not your own?
inland gull
@severe niche never knew i could actually click those shity trait showing buttons, thanks
severe niche
or is blatant advertisting just linking someones stream
this has me confused
@gusty kestrel
cerulean aspen
And garrote is 5 seconds isnt it? i mean it shouldnt make a huge difference
snow crater
flawlesspls streams high keys with jb/shakib.
severe niche
i mean my group doing 13's atm
but we are going to farm 10s now
cuz tyranical 14 seems too much of a wall
we +1 atal 13 with 5 mins left
just not sure out comp is god like to push
fallow estuary
atal is kinda free
fallow estuary
you need to fish for keys for +15
motherload
freehold
atal
we're gonna do key fishing tomorrow and try to fnish up the achievment
trail otter
Guys, with exsang build is the opener the only thing that changes?
do u just press exsang off cd
fallow estuary
i coined and still got nothing from her
severe niche
like if both rogues and dh get 1 mythic wep
prob 10% overall dps for the group there
fallow estuary
felt bad
devout moth
only did 10.9k on taloc
severe niche
from out shit 360's
devout moth
cause my tank insists on tanking add in the fucking pool far away from melees
severe niche
i have a coin and didnt get loot for a few bosses on heroic so
fallow estuary
Our DH tank got a weapon so thats something
severe niche
im praying
devout moth
FILLLSBEEEED
fallow estuary
so you're playing double rogue DH tank aswell?
fallow estuary
ah
fallow estuary
we progressed mother for 2 hours till kill today and got extremly salty when every other guild cheesed her with the 2 minute kill strat
flat portal
Should i Galecallers before or after Exanguate?
fallow estuary
but i'm not even mad that people are abusing her - the beams are so buggy it's pure rng sometimes if you wipe or not
anyway need to sleep now
l8ers
severe niche
sio someone see my stream
and link oh look at this guy
not affiliated with me
thats ok?
ebon dragon
guys i really appreciate if someone can link me a correct string for Sin to import on Pawn, thank you
sand whale
pretty sure if you're just linking anything that wasn't a response to a specific question it's bad
most links here are well known rogues
severe niche
so you have to be top twitch page to be linked then
im not talking about any specific person
onyx siren
anyone know if you can cloak hardened arteries on taloc mythic?
surreal badge
Vigor or DS for m+?
sand whale
cannot but I usually save cloak for discharge if I get it
winter fog
does exsanguinate work with rupture/garrotte pandemic?
sand whale
else spreading isn't an issue for hardened arteries
winter fog
when I use exsanguinate and then have 5 seconds left on my rupture, can I refresh my rupture without losing dmg?
silent scaffold
winter fog
so with 4 seconds left +24s refresh I'll get a normal one for 28s instead a staggered one?
wet yew
so fully down tick?
strong prawn
does raidbots simulate the bugged triple garrote damage?
smoky lantern
weird question but why does icy veins say deadly on main and quick on off when haste is our main stat
winter fog
@smoky lantern it doesnt matter which weapon has which enchant
daring imp
well i particularly don't care which is on main hand and off hand, highest dps dagger i get/drop will have the same enchant as the one i'll take off
ebon dragon
/sui
cunning rapids
how often do i have to delay exang?
calm barn
not so often
maybe you want to delay your second EX if you have galecaller
and then your third for vanish+vendetta+galecaller again
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
fathom wasp
!wa
severe niche
The best usage of exsanguinate is to use it on cd with pandemic bleeds, its never worth saving to line up with vendetta unless your final vanish garrote ticks will not fully go off or another type of situational factor, like a priority add or damage increase phase of a raid encounter, its all situational, but for pure patchwork you as close to on cd as possible with pandemic bleeds
zenith cedar
I dont have 3rd ss
i have 2 lol
He must have really bad trinkets or somethign idk
daring imp
probably
crisp hollow
taloc took 3 pulls fml method 1shot it 😦
dawn dragon
what is pandemic bleeds ? (noob sin sorry :>)
cunning rapids
thanks for the clarification
civic palm
SIN BFA GUIDE HERE--> http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/ <-- SIN GUIDE HERE
https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/ https://bloodmallet.com/ https://raidbots.com
Yes, you need two daggers for Assassination. Yes, the damage component of Azerite Traits stack.
-Pandemic this term relates to reapplying buffs/debuffs. When a debuff (like garrote) is refreshed, its remaining time (up to a cap of 30% max duration, so 5.4s for garrote) will be added to the new buff.
SS = Shrouded Suffocation, G = Garrote, RUP = Rupture, CT = Crimson Tempest, PB = Poison Bomb, CP = Combo Points.
dawn dragon
ah shit sorry, i read but i'm not confortable with terms and all, ty !
winged blaze
is sin currently strongest in uldir?
crisp hollow
for rogues? yes
mossy flower
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
wide delta
crisp hollow
i thought you could get up to 3 weeks of stuff
cap and try at the turn in, your conquest doesn't go away im pretty sure
spice surge
🤷
worn bison
red fiber
Good evening everyone! I'm fairly new to the class as a whole, I'm sorry if I'm asking the wrong question.
After pulling off the opener/pull rotation .
What must I do? Keep on generating combo points through refreshing garrote at appropiate times/mutilates, and refreshing ruptures until I've another burst window available?
strange python
Ran some m+ and got a few haste drops
Damn it took a nosedive in value now
Below agil but still top secondary
strange python
@red fiber pretty much, try to space your finishers for max EP uptime
Most important when your burst dots are still rolling
red fiber
Alright, thanks! Time to practice rotations, eheheh. Thanks once more!
strange python
Sick
devout moth
is this expected?
strange python
Harlan's dropped?
devout moth
nah
strange python
Sad
crisp hollow
whats making exsang so much better than toxic blade for people? TB sims ~400 dps higher for me atm but i wouldnt call myself optimized
dawn dragon
probably works rly well with SS trait ?
deep spindle
It does
crisp hollow
oh ok, explains it
maybe one day (tuesday) ill see some shrouded suffocation
till then i have my lazers
royal wasp
okay i have an azerite piece question, i have 370 dread gladiator which has like the worst traits in the game but a good amount of agility, and i have vest of reverent adoration with rezan's fury and gutripper
essentially what im asking is does the agility weigh higher than the traits on the 340
silver egret
sim it
royal wasp
reeee
winter fog
how long should I delay exsanguinate? I feel like my garrotte and rupture get way to desynced to use exsanguinate on cd
crisp hollow
exsang as close to max duration as you can for both
winter fog
or should I just refresh garrotte and rupture shortly before exsang?
I mean what to do when rupture has 18 seconds left - its such a bad middle ground
stuck shuttle
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
livid bronze
where's the exsang opener described?
livid bronze
thanks
gentle belfry
How do you guys set up your raidbots to sim for M+?
pastel crystal
deep solstice
Anyone know if Construct Overcharger was one of the trinkets that got stealth buffed?
quick vale
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
winged blaze
stealth buffed in the what now?
worn thistle
Hey guys where do you check what are best traits for pvp?
deep solstice
Several trinkets apparently got PPM buffs
vague pond
Thanks Eleem. I knew about the damage. Just didn't know if the CP also stacked.
junior geode
Hello, so i play outlaw for PVE and have had bad luck with weapons ( only a mainhand fist wep) but i have a 370MH/345OH dagger set so i was going to go sub/assasin for pvp. any thoughts on what ones better to start with? idk how to play either spec so it be a fresh start on both
spice surge
but people have different opinions, some think SS is good
winged blaze
any idea which?
spice surge
Ilvl is irrelevant in pvp
bitter geyser
is that bug mentioned in the pins still active?
spice surge
yes
bitter geyser
is there a way to work around that?
junior geode
thanks eleem
bitter geyser
is it worth not applying a new garrote until they run out?
spice surge
Dont use an unempowered garrote while you have empowered garrote ticking
bitter geyser
ok
strange python
Yeah never clip empowered garrotes
You can clip exsang ruptures at the end though
cut it close though
undone lodge
guys, should both weapons has bigger haste stats? or else?
bitter geyser
do you use weakauras to track empowered garrotes?
strange python
Not really no
steep obsidian
got a 375 galecallers want to murder tanks even more who just move bosses or mobs randomly for no reason 😛
strange python
Just remember the last one you casted and its duration
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
strange python
Not hard to keep track of 3 dots with just nameplates
bitter geyser
thanks
strange python
It's hard to track empowered garrotes with WA anyway
steep obsidian
yeah i found that the was that show the dot duration in green were helpful when you derp
when its empoered
strange python
some of these WA's have some solutions for it iirc
steep obsidian
so you don't forget
strange python
yeah
I've never done it myself
I've clicked too eagerly though lol
Which is even worse
Garrote-Rupture-Garrote-Garrote whoops
Why does my garrote have a CD? oh sh 😩 🔫
spice surge
undone lodge
guys, should both weapons has bigger haste stats? or else?
undone lodge
ah okay, thanks
indigo verge
what situations should u pool you energy?
lone junco
@undone lodge you have been around a long time with that snake on your head. You know the answer is to sim your stats. And items. If you have questions about the results. Post the raidbot.
red fiber
Speaking of weapons, which is the quickest way to replace an under ilvl'd dagger? I'm rocking everything 340-370 but I've a 325 dagger 😦
steep obsidian
get 500 conq
undone lodge
@lone junco 😃 😃 😃 👌
dawn dragon
when coupling vanish and vandetta during a fight do I want to use and opener-style sequence or double garrote ?
red fiber
It grants me an outlaw weapon, damn it. Alright, thanks.
languid ore
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
cedar kelp
i imported mizerok's group but it wont show
when i pull up weakaura settings it will pop up, but on dummy nothing really happens
vestal obsidian
@red fiber that's a tooltip error afaik, you can choose which weapon you get when you do the turnin
severe niche
https://raider.io/characters/us/kiljaeden/Foxynights m+ score is gaining bois 36 rogue in us not bad so far
still need to do a freehold
and some other low keys
distant vale
I get very different comparisons of sims between raidbots and askmrrobot, even setting all variables the same, e.g. One saying exsang is much better and one saying tb is much better. Any idea why that might be?
severe niche
gz man
distant vale
Same! Congrats.
steep obsidian
i got a 375 a few days ago 😛
broken fiber
grats sabod 🙂 
steep obsidian
its pretty fucking nice when the tank doesnt wonder away when you using it
or you get a mchanic 😦
steep obsidian
its just a bit frustrating to keep in sycn with vendetta
yeah ill just drop the ghun orbs in melee that will make the other melee happy
sullen robin
yee fuckem
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7fQuhqQR9Pu16eLeBy1ZZW over 14k finally
steep obsidian
my sub sim is still higher then my sim sin
sullen robin
yeah my ilv is a bit inflated
steep obsidian
azurite gear blows
sullen robin
i usually use gear around 355
magic fossil
guys, someone can explain HOW i cant simc exan > tb in any kinda of gear? in patchwerk its normal exang simc less than tb?
red fiber
Thanks a lot @vestal obsidian
steep obsidian
got a 370 which is a 200 dps downgrade over a 340
steep obsidian
really wish you could grind azurite pieces in m+
dawn rock
yeah thats silly
steep obsidian
i wouldnt even care if it made there be not much reason to raid
sullen robin
i think they will ahve to change that
m+ chest only giving one item kinda makes it seem impossible to eventually get azerite you want
strange python
They could just drop the ilvl and I'd still be happy
like they did with the cache
Just let me grind specific traits you morons
sullen robin
not even that
dawn rock
or just nuke the system and give us tier
broken fiber
Imagine not getting a 385 azerite from your weekly
sullen robin
these stairs obvi dont need collision
strange python
Non-buffed SS garrotes removing SS
steep obsidian
i had one of those war supply things drop at the top of a tree
strange python
🤔 gj blizz
dawn rock
so what ive seen there are only 2 pieces with shrouded suffering or am i missing pieces?
steep obsidian
there were like 10 people just starin at it
strange python
imagine having crate drops from the sky as buggy as a 5 year old indie game in DayZ
dawn rock
you mean today
strange python
I mean
Their crate drops are as buggy as an indie game / mod infamous for being buggy
Was looking at some top parses
I see quite a few people using Vendetta before Exsang
Rather than before the first Mut
So they're going G R G Mut R Vend Exsang on their opener
shut pollen
May I ask you something? I've seen exssanguinate popping out lately despite in sim it is a bit below toxic blades. It's a matter of stats or it's simply because it suits better some boss mechanics where you deal extra % damage to them?
strange python
Yeah I don't really know what makes it worse or better than TB
For me Exsang sims higher than TB by like 1%
mystic urchin
just trying to understand how an ability that you can only use out of stealth, every 2 minutes is so strong, talking about SS, just want to understand so I understand my sin better, appreciate the answers already ❤
strange python
It's just strong
spice surge
With 3 traits you almost quadruple your garrote damage, compared to a regular non-empowered one
strange python
Not much to it
shut pollen
I think the interaction between mastery and the way haste now influences our dots is the key
shut pollen
and don't forget the energy return from the bleed tics
tacit dune
How much haste do you have for exsang to be higher
mystic urchin
So, I just keep garroting out of vanish everytime I am able to, and just keep garroting normally out of stealth
strange python
I have Golden Plumage <.<
spice surge
Its almost as if it depends on more things than your haste 😄
shut pollen
some posts on mmochampion says 20% but not sure about it
steep obsidian
same
strange python
What does 20% mean
steep obsidian
my crit is garbage
strange python
Does TB or Exsang become more worth it then
red fiber
I'm running Galecaller's with 10% Haste and Exsang > TB.
steep obsidian
its not far behind haste but i have hardly any
severe niche
mythic mother time wish me luck 😃
red fiber
GL
severe niche
double dagger or bust
coral nexus
What 100 talent do you guys take for raiding?
severe niche
^
ruby notch
gl 2hc kills and 2 bonusrolls no dagger from mother for me 😄
red fiber
...
steep obsidian
getting daggers so annoying
shut pollen
they are so close actually that maybe it's just a matter of bosses: mother and other bosses with extra damage phases=exssanguinate is better
strange python
The TD one
steep obsidian
even for sub you need 2
red fiber
I'm slighty upset sir
shut pollen
I got my 380 from mother
ruby notch
😄
shut pollen
tonight xD pretty much used all my rng for this week
strange python
Will save a coin for when we get to mother
I expect we'll get her down this reset
Man I sim so trash
shut pollen
y so many juicy drops from her. Btw I'm headed to bed now. See ya guys GN
strange python
357 not even over 14K
red fiber
I played Subtlety up until now. My haste is very, very low.
strange python
Haste was good for Sub too though wut
My Sub sims surprisingly well despite the nerfs
Like 13.6K
Wonder what it would've been before all the nerfs haha holy fuck
Probably like 14.8K
red fiber
I'm at 10% H. 18% Crit and 35% Mastery
strange python
pre-BitS and 5% nerf
Yeah get that haste up
What do your sims say stat weight wise
strange python
For me it's 1.81 Haste, 1.78 Crit, 1.72 Mastery, 1.57 Vers
Almost looks like my Frost DK in Legion lol
Flattest secondary weights I've ever seen
digital timber
is it possible on 3 targets to garrote 2 of them, rupture the third and then still apply an empowered garrote to the third target?
dawn root
I'm simming 13.5k at 359. seems about average?
steep obsidian
does anyone know how to fake 150 haste gem to sim raid array in raidbots?
strange python
I guess it is Fail
I just want to break 14K
Our DH got geared to the teeth last heroic run and he's sitting at like 14.4K at 360
Can't you just add 150 haste
plucky girder
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
split grail
Should I go with the uldir trait or the garrote trait?
split grail
IT's Archive and it's my only SS
strange python
don't think there is a laser SS piece
if it's your only SS I'd keep SS 100%
Archive is worse than Laser anyway
steep obsidian
i only got 1 ss
strange python
Usually the Laser would be higher ilvl than that SS piece too
steep obsidian
blows
strange python
Yeah
Better than 0 though
I was SO lucky with traits on my 340 shit
Have 3xDeadshot 3xBitS 3xSS
vocal dock
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
strange python
had it before all the nerfs too
steep obsidian
i had 3 sharpened blade at one point which was kinda fun in pvp till they nerfed it
strange python
haha
distant vale
I'm getting very different comparisons of sims between raidbots and askmrrobot, even setting all variables the same, e.g. One saying exsang is much better and one saying tb is much better. You guys have any idea why that might be?
Or one saying haste is the best secondary but well below ago, and one saying it's above agi.
*well below agi
inner pecan
AMR is doghsit don't use it
rocky pumice
what current the best talent set up for M+?
distant vale
Is that the general consensus, AMR is not a good source for simming?
compact socket
A bit off topic but is there a comprehensive guide on exactly how fear acquisition works for pvp?
digital timber
is it better to overcap CPs on multi target to apply 3 different garrotes to targets?
compact socket
Gear acquisition
steep obsidian
don't be nasty to AMR or they will write a blog about how toxic discords are without even giving any examples
winged blaze
😄
half glen
severe niche
funny how the mother bug
is still a thing with lazers
blizard logic: lets say we fix something
then just actaully not
xd
steep obsidian
fixing a bug for a single place where it shows up rather then the underlying problem is not a rare thing for coders
sometimes it aint simple sometimes they put 10 new bugs in fixing the old one heh
long osprey
quick question. does simcraft over value overwhelming power? i know not taking damage to maintain stacks is unrealistic on some fights with heavy raid damage. in that case would elemental whirl overtake the usefulness of OP?
lone junco
@steep obsidian but if ayy m are drew a graph about toxicity, it would be on a scale from Loktark to Nelbur.
strange python
Wouldn't Heed be over OP in that case Klei
long osprey
in my opinion yes, although im going on gut and have no numbers to back it up (lazy)
lone junco
Heed cleaves off FOK. It's a bit funny.
I was throwing knives. And it popped for like 20k
strange python
Tbh I'm inclined to agree
long osprey
lol
steep obsidian
i havent tried playing sin in dungeons yet i probably should
strange python
There is quite a bit of unavoidable damage
lone junco
Should. Just for the lols tbh.
lone junco
Like cloak shoulder dfa.
strange python
OP takes a nosedive on something like Vectis if you end up with a stack
steep obsidian
lol not even that low
strange python
I took the Ct pill Noobe
steep obsidian
just dont see it
strange python
Damn it's good
lone junco
Thanks.
strange python
Been playing around with it more
steep obsidian
i have about 20+ azurite pieces in my bags
lone junco
Fuck yes it is. And feels good to ham.
Once we have monster crit and can FOK Ct FOK Ct.
lone junco
Believe in our savior. Seli.
long osprey
i picked up ct the other day too and was quite happy with the results lol
lone junco
Ggg Ct. then FOK out ruptures on each elite. Then ham Ct. until like 3 mobs. Then env to wrap them up.
lone junco
I don't even reset the garrotes.
strange python
Is it worth to Ct on 2 targets? I'm quite unsure
I usually rupture first on 2 targets then Ct if they will live
tough whale
14.9, SO CLOSE to 15k club
lucid bolt
that ravenholdt guide is it any good? seems kind of weird the rotation that is
long osprey
^^
lone junco
Tbh. If you are. Bitch pulling two. It's prob a baddy.
lone junco
I dump into boss rotation with the spread garrote.
Meaning. Fuck Ct. prep the GC exang.
sleek iron
Still having issues syncing 3rd exsang with vendetta
long osprey
increases haste per % hp missing yeah?
lone junco
My macro is literally vendetta /use 13. /use 14
strange python
How long do you have to hold it HaMPz
lone junco
Puts me to 45% haste.
sleek iron
I’m guessing we have to cast vendetta first and on the tail end of the buff we have the cd for exsang coming up?
strange python
Haha fucking brutal Noobe
long osprey
fucking hell
strange python
Why isn't Juju listed on Bloodmallet
sleek iron
My second exsang will come off cd about 15 second after vendetta (@strange python)
chilly obsidian
Do you wait to refresh both garrote and rupture before exsang?
lone junco
It's garbage. I got a socket.
lone junco
But. I changed the apl to use it stacked with GC.
lone junco
Shouldn't be able to /use /use. But it works. And they have the exact same duration and Cd.
long osprey
was gonna say, cant imagine a trink that encourages being close to death is that great lol. whats the max haste to missing hp?
lone junco
It's not that big a deal. 100% is like 550 haste. 50% 600. 1% 650.
I'll ignore that part.
But I'll try to get a 75% haste bloodlust exang in my next log.
strange python
@sleek iron btw what I would do is hold it all for Vanish as well
If it isn't too long a wait
long osprey
im pretty sure the game cant show animations that fast noobe lol, youd get the weird twitching character going
lilac coral
there's multiple chestpiece options for conquest right, because i'm not seeing SS on this thing
chilly obsidian
Galecallers exsang sounds tasty
tidal sand
Do you guys think Crimson Tempest is worth it on Zul?
long osprey
for sure
long osprey
im curious as to why the galecallers is worse than fathoms in simc. diminishing returns? then again i didnt think there was a hast cap
crisp hollow
M mother dropping me a socketed dagger makes up for how much downtime our strat left me with
lone junco
@strange python tbh. Fathoms and GC are great together for single.
daring imp
@lone junco oy trinkets don't have cd among themselvevs?
strange python
Yeah
It would beat my Golden Plumage by like 1.2%
I'm surprised Plumage is so good
Seems pretty shit at first gaze
syncs up well with Vendetta though
lone junco
Neg. I lolled to mash them together.
Tbh I should just use one with exang. And one with vendetta exang.
severe niche
can we please all complain and let blizzard know we want vendetta to reset on boss wip
e
legit guild doesnt wait 1:30 mins for my cd
tough whale
all 2 minutes*
severe niche
cuz it doesnt reset
we arel ike only 2 min cd class
its actaully tilting
someone plz qq on reddit
and get it on qna
strange python
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8FAzjPPRLQnS9cG4SH1EjU MASTERY best stat ?
raven bloom
what is sins best stat right now?
unkempt phoenix
guideline is in the pins, but to get a more accurate answer sim ur character
daring imp
how much you got on stats, @strange python ?
strange python
538 mastery 1171 haste 978 crit 180 versa
unkempt phoenix
and exang
sleek iron
@strange python what is too long a wait?
unkempt phoenix
it's only best by a small margin even when you have double the other stats
lone junco
Har har
So normal open I'm getting 285k out of 3x garrotes. Pretty sure I pumped it to 385k with the double trinket. I ran a bunch of dummy logs. But it was hard to watch with the vanish. So I'll just run it in some m+.
raven bloom
Noobe just reset yoru meter and have it on overal and it doesnt matter
lone junco
Tying it to gc in apl was easy enough. And not a huge loss
rancid oxide
if you get ruin or MC on pull of mythxrax and cant do proper opener when should i vanish
proven pumice
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
lone junco
I have both. Fight and overall. The 4pack dummy were ok but it constantly ticks you back in combat with undead racial. And lingering dot ticks and heed procs
crystal citrus
What's better, EP or MP?
hardy mural
Gg limit
vivid tinsel
hey guys do you know how haste interacts with bleed? like is the bleed affected by the haste at time of application or just the haste at the time that its bleeding
oblique sky
guys what is the best talent for m+ of the 100 lvl talent row, does it depend on anything?
sleek swallow
pretty sure it scales dynamically @vivid tinsel
daring imp
@tacit plinth may that happen more often on other bosses :X
vocal harbor
is 3x shrouded suffocation the best for pvp?
oblique sky
guys what is the best talent for m+ of the 100 lvl talent row, does it depend on anything?
solid citrus
how goods the raid azerite pieces?
west frost
Depends on how you feel
west frost
There's an exsang build but people better at pvp say it's a bit cheese
oblique sky
so it dosnt matter @west frost ?
vocal harbor
idk i'm just tired of doing no fricken damage as outlaw
so i want to switch to assa
for pvp
west frost
Is 100 pb/ct?
Pb better single target ct better for big aoe or long living trash packs
If you want big pvp damage there's always sub
solemn wigeon
what's a good addon to see your dots above target or in middle of target. i tried tidyplates but it aint good for me
vocal harbor
i have 3x blade in the shadows traits but i thought sub was utter trash now
so i haven't tried it yet
tacit plinth
its def not trash
vocal harbor
idk after the changes hit, everyone was saying sub is dead, assa is the only good arena spec
solemn wigeon
what's a good addon to see your dots above target or in middle of target. i tried tidyplates but it aint good for me
fading dust
Is there a haste soft cap or something?
west frost
People really on that wow forum life huh
gleaming geyser
@solemn wigeon KUI Nameplates
solemn wigeon
@gleaming geyser thank u man. good to know not all here are douche rockets
west frost
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
fading dust
? I did not know the answer to that hence I did not say anything
solemn wigeon
i'm used to guys copying links like mecha above or saying check pins, check icy veins etc. nothing from a rogue discord peer to peer. kinda sad
solemn wigeon
my question wasn't pinned but u want me to look at random guides to find the answer.
supple compass
this might be a dumb question, but in pvp, does the sin healing reduction stack with that of a arms warr
solemn wigeon
nothing on weak auras puts the dots above their head or on them. just in the middle of your screen
zenith cedar
got 2 370weps back to back lol
gleaming geyser
@solemn wigeon https://clips.twitch.tv/AgileSleepyVanillaOMGScoots if you want to see how I set them
solemn wigeon
so this guy who posted wago site is a tard
west frost
Doesn't default wow have them on nameplates? Or do you want something more
fading dust
wow grats!
zenith cedar
Is Toxic Blade for people who aren't good enough to figure out Exang?
fading dust
lol
gleaming geyser
it's for those who it sims higher 
solemn wigeon
@gleaming geyser that's' perfect. this was custom?
safe matrix
its for longer fights and depends on your gear @zenith cedar
blissful dove
subterfuge nerfed or am I trippin?
safe matrix
I've seen a few
zenith cedar
Exang 30k burst shit is easy mode
gleaming geyser
exsang 
blissful dove
Was subterfuge changed? or just tooltip update?
trail otter
For exsang what else changes in the rotation besides the opener?
Or do you just press it off CD
blissful dove
safe matrix
@blissful dove whats different
blissful dove
I swear it was 100% yesterday
fading dust
Ive only seen one sin use xsang so far
gleaming geyser
its been like that for a while
blissful dove
I could have sworn it was 100% just last night
west frost
It's been 80 for most of bfa
safe matrix
I'm pretty sure its been 80% for a while
blissful dove
Maybe I'm trippin then
brittle lantern
Does rupture snapshot or is that just a feral druid thing
gleaming geyser
@solemn wigeon yea, pretty basic KUI settings with KUI Spell list to exclude other peoples auras
nightstalker does
sour wraith
exsang on cd or save for vendetta/vanish?
safe matrix
it does on nightstalker, nothing else @brittle lantern
brittle lantern
thanks lads
safe matrix
exsang snapshots based on current haste
blissful dove
I know it was nerfed just before BFA release, but I could have sworn it was 100 last night
safe matrix
everything else in dynamic
blissful dove
I'm just trippin I guess
west frost
@trail otter you want to exsang on CD but you'll obv need to set up a bit and prepare for it coming off cd
zenith cedar
Also, one contrived #1 parse doesnt say Exsang or toxic is worse/better lol
Fight duration can mean +1/-1 Exangs
So basically youre just bragging for the sake of bragging
safe matrix
Alright I'm gonna stop this before you guys really devolve into stuff
marble elm
@blissful dove same I swear it was just 125 lmao
safe matrix
so calm down folks
marble elm
must be crazy
brittle lantern
one more question, is it worth pandemicing rupture?
gleaming geyser
yea you pandemic @ 7
fading spade
jesus. with only 1 stack of SS my burst is shit
fading spade
i followed the opener in the guide posted
zenith cedar
practice
west frost
Not everyone is 370 ilvl bro chill
zenith cedar
What are your stats like?
fading spade
thats another thing. my stats are probably a bit wonked
zenith cedar
Do you have alot of vers?
fading spade
i know this isnt perfect because i need to get stats for sin
zenith cedar
Galecaller's y\n?
fading spade
i have dmd and a 355 loaded dice
zenith cedar
thats why ur burst is shit
fading spade
workin on galecallers
zenith cedar
galecallers is insane
fading spade
yeah i had a low ilvl version of it once upon a time
zenith cedar
15% haste lol
fading spade
ive ran so many shrine keys. im still hoping
zenith cedar
I got lucky and rolled a 350 galecaller from heroics first week
fading spade
nice
zenith cedar
hve never unequip it
fading spade
i had a standard one at 325 which was replaced by my dmd and my loaded dice
zenith cedar
go uh
fading spade
cuz week 1 of mythic dungeons i got a 355
zenith cedar
oof
fading spade
it will come eventually
west frost
It will, I only got mine this week after running nonstop
I even carried a mate through mythic shrine and he got a gc first time lol
fading spade
on the dummies without prepot im bursting 18ish
so i think once i get gc ill be g2g
and ill need to get a ton more haste on gear too
west frost
Bursting as in you hit that or that's your avg for opener
fading spade
currently thats my average for an opener
with my current gear
i have a bit of work to do optimizing secondaries
fading dust
so would a 340 gc be better than a 355 harlan
vocal harbor
is 3x shrouded suffocation BiS for pvp?
west frost
St probably
river quarry
after like 8 +10s with no loot... got two tol dagors +10 one 1min 38s within time and one 3min and boom got my dagger lul
river quarry
the game isn't evil after all
west frost
@vocal harbor might have to check pvp channel, I think they reccomend others
west frost
I don't know what talents bloodmallet Sims with
fading spade
well if i keep running enough 5 and higher keys in shrine
ill eventually get one that is higher than 340 even base
west frost
Make sure to run with agi classes and demand it from them
fading spade
vectis is fucked too
double stacking of the omega vector buff that isnt supposed to happen
one person in each of the groups keeps getting stuck with 2 stacks of it
fading dust
syn whats your haste at? Its come to the point that haste is actually worth a little less tha mastery according to raidbots
fluid scarab
we had 3 stacks
fading spade
lemme see
unreal wraith
@fading spade do you have a log of your opener?
fading spade
now again, not optimized for sin lol
i do not yet, i ran sub for my raid tonight cuz i was more comfortable with it
will be raiding with sin starting sunday
kind roost
im sorry if this gets asked a lot but where does galecallers fit in the opener
before vendetta?
fading spade
i believe so
fading spade
crit=666 haste=869 vers=475 mastery=738 currently shit optimization@fading dust
kind roost
cool ty
fading dust
ty, I have 1300 haste atm, to much it seems lol
unreal wraith
i follow that opener plus i have 2 ss traits and i still cant hit 20 k burst
west frost
If you're worried you're gonna move out drop gc right before you exsang
And at least get that
unreal wraith
but i can hit 20k+ with tb
fading spade
im wondering if i should run tb over exang imma try simming it now
until i get my stats better suited
strange python
is there any tl;dr of why to choose toxic blade over exsang
fading spade
lol. tb for me rn sims 100dps higher
prime void
@stuck shuttle can you teach me how to play sin ?
royal wasp
is elaborate planning actually good rn
chilly obsidian
Tb is a simple button that provides very consistent damage
royal wasp
@strange python its pretty obvious because of shrouded suffocation stack
fading spade
anyways ty for the advice folks. love the help you can actually get here! ❤ imma keep at it and work on some gear
fading dust
ltrs
royal wasp
any rotation change with elaborate planning from MP?
fading spade
horray, talent sim comparison of all 6 viable/possible talent setups for ST
and believe it or not, blindside came out on top
is that normal?
prime void
@safe matrix ❤
safe matrix
❤
prime void
what spec you maining ?>
severe niche
when you on pace for rank 1 mother
but beam bugs still exist
died to enrage
cuz i think 3 or 4 died to beam bug
tilted af
cedar cloak
Hey guys,
When and how do u guys use your exsanguniate 2nd time?
viral citrus
civic palm
@prime void SIN BFA GUIDE HERE--> http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/ <-- SIN GUIDE HERE :3
tulip willow
ty
strange python
didnt blizz say they fixed it
verbal pebble
disregard, bug on the logs
timer stops at 28 and all actions happen at the same time
so at 28 seconds you have something like 80 casts of garrote + a shitton of stuff
resulting in 128k dps
grim sable
can someone tell me why people are running TB over exsang on zul?
zealous lily
If they don’t have enough SS traits and some other stuff tb may sim better
crisp lava
Im confused as to why you cast garrote then rupture then garrote again in the opener
zealous lily
It’s also easier to play and your dps won’t be as screwed if fight ends right before a cd overlap
hollow jungle
@crisp lava if you just garrote twice you waste combo points
tulip willow
yea i dont understnad it either
crisp lava
I see, well why not garrote then mut for full rupture
tulip willow
oh nvm i see
tulip willow
ss applies damage esperate to the bleed
hollow jungle
@crisp lava more dps to garrote, rupture,garrote, mutilate, rupture. Both bleeds full duration, exhang
crisp lava
okay, makes sense
civic palm
ffffffffffff uDoU
civic palm
Right so you downgraded to BM 😛
prime void
never forget the 360s 😃
civic palm
lol
severe niche
so
5 pulls
i would be rank 1 mother
beam bug every fucking pull
5+ people
i hate this game i quit
signal summit
Ye it was really fun to progress with being insta killed 😅😅
violet spear
first night raiding as Ass, got this in our prog Zul kill https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/HQa8YZtq6VbcFKmd#fight=11&view=rankings&playermetric=bossdps
was pretty happy
strange python
In which key+ starts be better CT instead PB ?
inland gull
guys why no loot for me when i killed elisansre? soloing nighthold
lone halo
holy fuck foxy
mental mirage
Just always play PB Lampycka
severe niche
😃
chilly obsidian
What is your secret foxy
severe niche
im just good?
chilly obsidian
Do you take disciples
severe niche
time to upload that to youtube 😃
chilly obsidian
Asking for a friend
lone halo
link to youtube, i would like to see
sharp wren
Do you guys think the G'huun trinket is better than Fathoms?
severe niche
or else i get banned cuz haHAA
lone halo
is your stream your name??
