Well I'm thinking their obsession with making it an esport
#assassination
strange python
stuck shuttle
no you run 3 fist weapons
turbid stratus
same enchant on both daggers ?
strange python
Yeah
knotty tusk
Fist weapon and shield
strange python
Best sim stat main hand
zenith cedar
Mut is op
strange python
Second best sim stat off hand
heavy dust
the bonus CP of Shrouded Suffocation doesnt stack ?
urban storm
Right
strange python
hahaa
urban storm
+2 total
delicate gull
3rd in what? Simcraft rankings? They don’t care about that lul
strange python
overcapping CP every cast
heavy dust
so why we have to take 3 Shrouded Suffocation ?
urban storm
Because it buffs the dmg
zenith cedar
because 500+ damage on every garrote tick is busted?
heavy dust
it is worth ?
urban storm
Which gets buffed further by subterfuge
high granite
Which is better rn Exsang or Toxic blade?
heavy dust
oh ok ty
strange python
The 1st trait is the biggest but 3 is great
In Uldir I'd say 2 traits+Laser Matrix seems very good too
hollow stone
What is best rogue spec guiz?
strange python
chadlaw
zenith cedar
I'm running x2 Shroud + 385 Ilvl Sharp Blades
strange python
@high granite Different depending on yer stats. Also situational
dim cedar
Combat
hard plaza
Havoc
pulsar leaf
exsang/toxic best thing to do is sim
strange python
Yeah haha
torn hornet
Coming from sub I'm glad I saved all my 340 azerite gear. Had 2 SS traits in my bags luckily.
strange python
We've internalised Assassination gameplay
hard plaza
i have 3 in my bags lol
torn hornet
Then got a 370 head with laser thing.
hollow stone
"How does ss work". "Is sin good?" "Why g r g?"
stuck shuttle
This used to be a nice calm, slow channel.
hollow stone
This is life now
dim cedar
Best use of exsang is after applying fresh rupture?
hollow stone
It was wonderful
final stone
sin sucks so bad shhhh
zenith cedar
sin harder to play than combat so
people will be shitting themselves and say its bad
empty notch
sin is not that harder imo
strange python
Sin is easily the most engaging of the three specs
zenith cedar
Exang requirs alot more thought and pre-planning than Outlaw
Sin is like a slow spec where ur thinkingg 15-30 seconds ahead
Combt is dynamic and reactive
crisp steppe
for me toxic blade & exsang are roughly the same simdps. but if I look at warcraftlogs statistics exsang seems to pull ahead on most fights so ill be playing that
high granite
Did Outlaw used to be called combat?
empty notch
y
zenith cedar
Yes lol
stuck shuttle
lol
zenith cedar
ffucking FOT M
high granite
Ok lol. I started going hard late legion
zenith cedar
"Hey look, rogues are OP on beta, better roll one"
strange python
New people play this game?
high granite
uh no
strange python
lmao
high granite
lol
spice surge
a suprising amount actually
high granite
I just liked the idea of stealth and being an edgy troll
strange python
Also calling assassination ass or sin is just wrong
It's MUT guys
I've met one new player in like the past 4 years
high granite
Is that me?
strange python
it hasnt been mut in years
empty notch
"oldschool" shiet
strange python
Well tooj you make two now
hard plaza
does it count i only had a 14 year break from rogue....
strange python
lol
stuck shuttle
Mut spec. good ol days
high granite
What does that even stand for
strange python
mutilate
stuck shuttle
"I play the shitty AoE spec"
empty notch
mutilate
stuck shuttle
as we were known in legion
strange python
you might pronounce it as "mute"
winter spruce
how is the aoe rotation with crimson? shoul I spam it? ruptures or envenom?
dawn merlin
Not anymore!
winter turtle
never really played exsang b4 so here comes a somewhat newb question, sorry folks:
do i lose damage when i refresh an exsang empowered bleed (within pandemic window) or does it carry over to the new bleed properly via pandemic?
strange python
yes
dawn merlin
You lose it
strange python
let it run off
hollow stone
Dont clip dots whether its ct or another dot. Pandemic only
strange python
then re apply
winter turtle
thanks a lot :)
strange python
Mutilate was the old end talent for rogues in TBC
So it was synonymous to Sin
And it was pretty spec defining
This is how talent trees used to look.
noble parrot
What is the best way to use exsang? I frequently run into an issue where my dots arent in the pandemic range but exsang is off CD. Is it worth refreshing the dot to exsang immeditaly, or sit on the exsang sd til the dots are ready to be refreshed
visual token
WTB “mut” role
strange python
Yeah
silver egret
ah memories
fresh bough
Wish they still were like that tbh
strange python
Also it worked like old backstab where you had to be behind the guy
fresh bough
Better than what we have now
stuck shuttle
@noble parrot try and refresh as close as you can to max
strange python
@noble parrot Plan ahead so you have maximum bleed duration when exsang comes off CD
positional spells LUL
old talent trees gave the game more diversity fo sho
hollow stone
No it didnt
strange python
Half speccing into other specs
empty notch
you still want to be behind since ass cant parry
high granite
That sounds cool
hollow stone
More options does not mean more diversity
strange python
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
hollow stone
Everyone still ran "the best talents"
winter turtle
most ppl used the same "builds" with old talent system anyway
strange python
Sweet contradiction
winter turtle
ye
hollow stone
The words were poorly chosen, yeah. But the point stands
visual token
The ability to run suboptimal specs to fit your personal preferences was nice.
strange python
^
winter turtle
don't really like the current talent thingy but i wouldnt call it worse than the old system
strange python
What's better is subjective
hollow stone
No its not
winter turtle
lul
visual token
Lol
empty notch
well. if math isn't even real, do we still go for 3 SS?
high granite
Is Vigor or Marked for Death better?
stuck shuttle
idk, i was doing over 100k dps in WotLK
Vigor
MFD is trash for sin right now with SS
strange python
vigor fo sho
high granite
Good. I don't want to take MfD
empty notch
100k?
strange python
I did 1m dps in wotlk
strange python
Is this supposed to be an actual debate lol
hollow stone
Lol "no way, 20k is definitely a bigger number than 100k"
urban storm
I have the bigliest dps numbers
Many people are saying they’ve never seen higher dps
strange python
senpai
winter turtle
teach me
potent sierra
!wa
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Assassination WA's for BFA:
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https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
tough whale
I like afenars outlaw one
strange python
The WA's i made are practically the same, but his has is way cleaner
winter turtle
built my own with some WAs stolen from those up there :^) custom hud, best hud
strange python
whoa
autism
His are cleaner*
I kept my energy/cp bars
props to that shoko guy for the empowered garrote thing
strange python
links
unkempt gulch
yeah i use spookiee's bars
tired helm
construct overcharger any good?
tough whale
I also stole his music 
No not really. Sim it out but it's an incredibly mediocre trinket
high granite
Do you have to do M0s for the weekly quest?
high granite
Awesome thanks
tough whale
Timed our 10 shrine last night and got me a galecallers 
winter turtle
not seen that damn trinket drop even once...
tough whale
This was the only one I've seen tbf
strange python
me thinks twitch chat is broken
stuck shuttle
you got a 385 GCB?
dim raptor
looks like twitch everything is broken
stuck shuttle
goddamn
tough whale
370 gcb and dice. But I'm pushing keys with my boys and I might see another
Timed an 11 motherlode too
stuck shuttle
oh wait thats right 370
tough whale
I got a 385 rot scour ring but no socket so its trash
chilly turtle
so guys it seems like outlaw atm is still the go to for m+ and sub and assa the go tos for raiding am i right ?
tough whale
I'd say you're wrong
I think assa smashes m+ currently especially with tyr week
And crippling is op for big mob kiting
strange python
They're all wonderful for m+
Hey dudes, the guide says to vanish after your opener to get another big garrote off but then it also says to pair vendetta with vanish. Am I supposed to delay vendetta until my 2nd vanish is ready?
steel abyss
So I’m still simming a good bit more assub than sin. Only have 2 shrouded traits, not sure why I’m about 600 dps less as sin. Ilvl is 353
tough whale
Dont delay vanish in opener
strange python
Rogue is always good for m+
Even if Rogue is middle of the pack DPS utility is good enough to compensate
jaunty lotus
Yes, you delay second vendetta to about 2:20 so you can vanish into it
tough whale
Hold 2nd vendetta for your 2nd vanish
verbal pebble
isn't the vanish on opener used on empowered envenom's?
strange python
Thank you.
"Want a rogue" is like the only DPS I see demanded on pugs in the LFG tool
tough whale
Noooo? Vanish on opener is double garrote
strange python
Garrote is king!
verbal pebble
so you'll vanish what, 18s after your first stealthed garrote?
tough whale
Garrote is like 40% of our damage
strange python
Yes
chilly turtle
thats my exp too @strange python but atm i do only have exp as outlaw and a bit as assa and want to get into the others too
strange python
You vanish when your empowered garrote runs out
verbal pebble
that explains a lot, thanks.
tough whale
Vanish after your first double garrote COMPLETELY runs out
strange python
^
formal bear
Yo, question - Which prepotion you're using now? Standard Agility one or something different?
strange python
Agility
tough whale
Agi
verbal pebble
you garrote twice on the opener? 😱
tough whale
Valar
tough whale
Go to an assas rogue logs and look at their garrote breakdown
strange python
guys did u see that log from korea ?
What I cant stand about the guide is the lack of explanation for doing the things it tells you to do.
The MOTHER exploit one?
how its posible that they killed the mother in mythic in 2.10 ?
They do this
They die
Then go to the last room
tough whale
Club camel did it on normal LOL
strange python
1 tank stays
He pulls MOTHER to the last room
Then they nuke her
xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
tough whale
Well heres why that's possible
The fire in the rooms when you pull mother
Doesnt 1 shot
So they pop EVERY HEALING CD
Its like 2 darknesses, both healing pot and healthstone tranq SLT.. everything you can imagine
verbal pebble
yeah, I totally missed the double garrote part on the ravenholdt guide. I was following the icy veins one where it tells you to do a vanish - envenom - mutilate - envenom thingy.
tough whale
Yeah no dont read iv
stuck shuttle
thats why u dont read iv
strange python
lul
stuck shuttle
FotM bait site
verbal pebble
iv dh guide is up to date and not retarded 😦
strange python
Hey guys Noxxic tells me this
verbal pebble
goddamn bait sites
glad peak
Are there any best trinkets for assa ?
strange python
Yeah all trinkets suck tbf
tough whale
It's not really bait. they haven't found good writers for certain specs yet. Theyve been hunting more for it though
stuck shuttle
da fuq kinda question
strange python
tough whale
They went on a hiring spree post argus but didnt get every class
verbal pebble
last question tho: why double garrote? only for better combo point generation with SS? (mutilate would give 2, garrote would give 3, but afaik there's no benefit other than maybe higher uptime on an empowered garrote)
strange python
How hard can it be
tough whale
To pandemic your top damage
jaunty lotus
@verbal pebble it's for pandemic
silver egret
pandemic timing and cheap cp
strange python
You just need to hang on the class discord for like 2 days and you could write a guide that would be decent for 90% of the population
tough whale
During your opener garrote is about 60+% of your burst (which is big)
So you want to smash as much time as possible for your stealth garrote
especially if you exang
craggy raptor
People keep telling me vendetta+vanish+Exang come off cd at the same time on the 3rd exang but i never have them up at the same time using the rotation listed
tough whale
You hold vendetta and exang
jaunty lotus
They don't
tough whale
For vanish
craggy raptor
yeah my thoughts
verbal pebble
exang much better than the other green knify boi talent?
verbal pebble
i know they're both viable, but traits seem to favor exang
craggy raptor
I hold vendetta and and exang for the vanish
silver egret
exang will give you better burst if you time it correctly
strange python
Same
tough whale
Exang is more fun but they're very even. Exang pulls ahead on fights with burn windows
Fetid mother ghuun
verbal pebble
hmm, nice
spice surge
Do you hold it for 45 seconds
tough whale
Why would you hold it its entire cd
spice surge
^
fierce turtle
3 SS or 2 SS and 1 Archive of the Titans?
tough whale
The alignment is 2:20
craggy raptor
doing the rotation correctly i hold it for like 25 secs max
median scroll
hey can someone tell me when the best time is to use galecallers boon if playing toxic blade not exsan build please. im assuming on cd?
craggy raptor
on 3rd exsang
tough whale
2ss 1 archive usually sims higher
craggy raptor
For vanish
strange python
Is your 1 Archive piece higher ilvl?
fierce turtle
yes, its higher ilvl
stuck shuttle
on CD @hollow quail
fierce turtle
Aight, ty
spice surge
You use exsang on CD, then its up at 2.20
tough whale
Galecallers before exang in opener then on cd, then hold for 220 realignment
stuck shuttle
@median scroll
frosty obsidian
For me 340 ss and 370 archive sim exactly the same
spice surge
Where vanish is ready
median scroll
ok ty 😃
strange python
Exactly
spice surge
and vendetta has been held for like 15 sec
strange python
Vanish is delayed since you wait out your 1st garrote
tough whale
We are very helpful 2day
craggy raptor
yeah
strange python
You hold Vendetta and the Exsang that came back
primal violet
!wa
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craggy raptor
you vanish like 14 seconds into the fight
pulsar goblet
I'm pretty sure Sims don't include reorigination array from Archive of the Titans so in uldir it should be better
strange python
Then BOOM you re-burst and go REAL SHIT
spice surge
Which means that if you're holding exsang for it, you are holding exsang for about 45 seconds
Which is pretty silly
tough whale
You can check if they include it :)
craggy raptor
No
strange python
No
craggy raptor
Like 25 seconds
thin ingot
guess who spent another 90 minutes doing shrine 10 and got a Galecaller's Boon
pulsar goblet
I did check, didn't see the buff
thin ingot
the DH fucking did
spice surge
Ok: 6s,51,1:36,2.21
tough whale
I think you beleive we are literally never using exang inbetween cds
thin ingot
DH fucking tank
spice surge
Thats where you exsang
thin ingot
yeah
tough whale
They won't
strange python
Should be a crime not to give it to you
thin ingot
but he didnt
strange python
ban worthy
strange python
this is why you run only with guildies
tough whale
Sounds like you need a better group
tough whale
Dont pug 10 shrine
strange python
brutal
tough whale
Bad idea
strange python
Yeah will only bring pain
tough whale
If you time it you get extra loot
thin ingot
tough whale
:)
pale knot
verbal pebble
git gud, git loot
strange python
Why would they nerf a garbage trait Kess?
unreal wraith
ive got to be doing something wrong
verbal pebble
why would they nerf a bugged trait :~
tough whale
They haven't nerfed karma yet so I think we are safe for now
verbal pebble
yeah, mag'har rogues unite
strange python
Mag'har Laughing Skull Orc Rogue 👌 👌 👌 👌 👌
wheat zealot
2.6% is a huge upgrade lmao
unreal wraith
with tb i can do 22k opener and yet with exsang i can only do 15k
tough whale
Human rogue 
thin ingot
not for the trouble
tough whale
You're using exang wrong then
strange python
I play Human 😓
tough whale
My exang opener is easily 30k+
thin ingot
2.6% upgrade is not worth wanting to kill myself for 90 minutes
tough whale
Exang does more damage in its opener than tb. That's its point
spice surge
hero gives a lot of damage, so if your testing on dummy
unreal wraith
is that including gc?
strange python
Got the Antorus tier t-mog
tough whale
Even before I had gc
tough whale
You're probably not doing your exang dot management correctly
strange python
Just need to get the willpower to grind out order of embers
stuck shuttle
yes
verbal pebble
!wa
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https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
stuck shuttle
you can
strange python
It'll just say invalid target
thin ingot
have you tried turning it off and on again?
strange python
Invalid target
tough whale
A big issue people run into with exang is refreshing exanguinated dots because their shiny WA tells them to
strange python
Need to have a bleed on
unreal wraith
im doing, g-r-g-mu-vend-rup-exsang
stuck shuttle
unless they changed it. in Legion it would pop your CD
tough whale
Do vendetta before mu
strange python
^
steep citrus
if you do vendetta before mut, that should move your opener from 15k to 30k
stuck shuttle
lol
strange python
lol
thin ingot
topkek
tough whale
Make sure you're not reapplying your bleeds when you press exang
stuck shuttle
i do almost 15k on sim
tough whale
Let them fully expire
stuck shuttle
no way your opener is 15k
unreal wraith
i do
tough whale
You're messing something up
tough whale
LOL
thin ingot
do you have your poisons on?
steep citrus
is your computer plugged in?
tough whale
Even without poisons I actually still ss burst to low 20ks
stuck shuttle
same
queen river
Can confirm Pb burst is nutz
stuck shuttle
atleast in WQs
deft locust
yeah
tough whale
Hi lirchy!
queen river
Hullo
deft locust
were talking 35 40k burst with pot
tough whale
Grats on your ss chest last night
stuck shuttle
yuppp
thin ingot
poison bomb is a meme
deft locust
no way is opener 15k
thin ingot
i just like the sound it makes, only reason im using it on every fight regardless of adds
unreal wraith
yeah it is unless details is borked
strange python
!wa
tough whale
Maybe you have 0 ss traits or something
queen river
Just need a galecaller now 4Head
thin ingot
its like an old ladies fart
unreal wraith
nah i have 2 ss traits
tough whale
Dont run shrine with faradee
strange python
!WA
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https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
thin ingot
run shrine with me, i can assure you i will not get the trinket
tough whale
LOL
tough whale
370 gcb and dice
calm grail
With exsang let the bled target fully drain?
tough whale
Yes
strange python
You must be fucking up bad somehow Ornatus
stuck shuttle
were not friends anymore @tough whale
strange python
Are you too slow?
tough whale
@stuck shuttle bb come back
stuck shuttle
lol
strange python
Do you garrote outside of Subterfuge
stuck shuttle
give me your GCB
thin ingot
are you using garrote out of stealth on another target?
stuck shuttle
all will be forgiven
calm grail
Also, let the first 3 garrotes out of stealth fully drain too before applying new ones.
tough whale
I'll run for another gcb
calm grail
?
tough whale
Dont hate me if it tfs
unreal wraith
nah in stealth
tough whale
Garrotes outside of stealth and exang dont matter
stuck shuttle
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
thin ingot
how do i kill someone through the internet
unreal wraith
i must fucking up thats why i asked here lol
strange python
haha
tough whale
Do you have logs ornatus
thin ingot
i wanna kill the feral that snitched my GCB
strange python
You have very little in terms of room for fucking up on the garrotes
indigo verge
what nameplate addons do u guys use to best track ur bleeds on multiple targets?
strange python
Yeah max 3 garrotes
round harbor
@indigo verge bigdumbnamplates
tough whale
I accidentally did it and looked like a feral droid
stuck shuttle
i just look at boss debuffs
round harbor
U can set things easily
tough whale
Druid
thin ingot
a guy claimed to be able to do 4 though
stuck shuttle
or use a WA
strange python
lol PB
unreal wraith
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/489818672089792513/image0.jpg im using this as a opener, it was linked here earlier
strange python
When you pull without your poisons and you garrote outside of Subterfuge
thin ingot
lmao
stiff grotto
strange python
game over
prisma monolithBOT
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thin ingot
the worst thing is that ive fucked up like that @strange python and my guildies are still below me at the end of the fight
unreal wraith
ofc my posions are on and ofc im applying enpowered garrotes
unreal wraith
the only thing im missing is the gc
strange python
And still end up top 5
tough whale
Gc isnt that make or break
strange python
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
strange python
Tbh
tough whale
Gc wont add 10k to your opener
reef ginkgo
!wa
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https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
spice surge
I mean, we cant help you more than that unless you link logs 🤷
thin ingot
im desperate for them to get a huge class buff so even if playing their class horribly can do actual decent dps and finish heroic
unreal wraith
what item level are we talking here?
strange python
What boss are you on Stab
tough whale
Ilevel regardless if you're bursting harder with TB than you are exang
strange python
USSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHH
tough whale
Theres An issur
thin ingot
idiots keep stepping on clouds
unreal wraith
ok im keep on trying lol
tough whale
I'm excited for m zek
strange python
Yeah he is
stuck shuttle
vectis is harder than zek
strange python
Not with 6.8K dps though
stuck shuttle
lol
tough whale
Were starting tonight on zekky boy m
stuck shuttle
same
strange python
Imagine if he says they're warriors pulling 6.8K during the madness buff
tough whale
He doesnt look bad. Just looks.. zhectic
thin ingot
and everytime the gl starts frowning them for fucking up such easy mechanics they start explaining themselves and making up excuses which take up like 20 minutes
tough whale
strange python
that one is good
stuck shuttle
Good guilds will bench people
strange python
lmao
strange python
Feel so bad for cat mains
gentle belfry
How do you guys set up raidbots for M+ sims?
thin ingot
i had a GL in legion that died intentionally at the start at some fights so he could see whos the idiot thats stepping in shit during the fight
spice surge
You dont
thin ingot
those were the days
tough whale
Hectic add cleave is kind of close
stuck shuttle
you know how to parse well as Feral?
strange python
They should just copy+paste Assassination to kitty
stuck shuttle
you don't
gentle belfry
Sure you do , lol
tough whale
LOL
spice surge
Its not gonna be close though
tough whale
Parsing well as a feral is just surviving the fight
Cause you're the only feral
Ez rank
stuck shuttle
spice surge
Because it depends on a million different things, dungeons/setup/keylevel/groupdps
strange python
Imagine having Rupture not deal the same damage but instead last the same and scale damage on CP
Fuuuck that would be bad
frozen slate
:o*
tough whale
I said Friggenheck and Spatulahands are on par with god tier names
thin ingot
im from rag and i get a lot of hate, but ive been admitted to a lot of pugs cause they like my name lol
stuck shuttle
and creative
tough whale
Shouldve spelled it wrong
tough whale
LOL
thin ingot
theyre like "haha stabatouille nice, you fuck up once youre out"
tough whale
Hue
hushed sphinx
I didn't know about the ss bug so I'm wondering how much damage I've lost 😡
stuck shuttle
a lot
tough whale
All of your damage
hushed sphinx
Yeah this isn't fun
thin ingot
guys guys serious question
round harbor
Rag players 👉 seeya
tough whale
Simple things help realize if you fucked up the ss bug or not
compact venture
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
thin ingot
do you play around clipping envenoms with EP by pooling energy or jsut trying to mantain a high uptime of the buff and starving yourself everytime you can?
tough whale
If it goes on CD just wipe the fight cause you're doing 0 dmg
steep citrus
cheesing mother on reset and starting in 3rd room is an exploit right? bannable type thing?
tough whale
Not bannable
Logs will be flagged
Room damage will be buffed
So they cant heal through it again
steep citrus
it's clearly not an intended mechanic though. didn't guilds get in trouble for doing things like that in previous progression
tough whale
Rooms 2 and 3 incinerate anything in it when you pull mother
tough whale
Just buff its damage so people cant darkness through it
strange python
iirc you could stand in the garbage chute
thin ingot
its a strat
meager knoll
It's bannable, because it's their game and they can ban anyone for anything
hollow stone
Clever use of game mechanics
strange python
Saronite bombs
thin ingot
stratatouille
steep citrus
but doesn't it require retting the boss first?
tough whale
Its a strat cause you can heal through it 4Head
steep citrus
that makes it cheese
spice surge
I mean, even if they did that you could soon just kill the boss in the first room, just 1 healer+1tank rest dps
steep citrus
not a strat
stuck shuttle
what should be bannable is Blizzard not knowing how to code a fucking boss room
tough whale
^
spice surge
Thats what we did on hc atleast
stuck shuttle
that Mother bug wiped us so many times last night
tough whale
Bugged lasers still a thing
stuck shuttle
no they hotfixed it
last night
then we downed it 2 pulls after the hotfix went out
tough whale
Oh we got it with the bug
stuck shuttle
I WONDER WHY
tough whale
It was awful
meager knoll
what bug?
thin ingot
ill save my question when a shadowblade is on
tough whale
My cheat death just randomly going out
strange python
lmao
meager knoll
how nice
tough whale
The Lasers would hit you on the floor when they first spawned on the ceiling
So cheat was always on cd
strange python
look at garrote damage on the chart of a top parse off WCL
strange python
hhhng
meager knoll
link log pls
uncut minnow
What poison do I use for mythic+?
thin ingot
wound
tough whale
I'm on mobile but friggenheck @ stormrage
silver egret
garrote is "tremendously big and tremendously wet" on opener
tough whale
Theres a juicy one on our heroic one too
thin ingot
ERT has an option
stuck shuttle
./combatlog
thin ingot
to record logs
strange python
stuck shuttle
in WoW
strange python
lol
strange python
Unlucky on Zul?
tough whale
Zul?
jade geyser
can you garrote more than twice on opener? SS isnt supposed to work the way it currently does, right?
edgy trellis
Am I doing something wrong
lilac coral
fetid has the SS juiciness
tough whale
It works the way it's intended
stuck shuttle
no @edgy trellis
tough whale
That looks correct
stuck shuttle
if you run Exsang, Haste pulls forward
jade geyser
If it works the way it does, how come we are garroting twice on opener?
edgy trellis
oh okay
meager knoll
increase duration from 17 to 23
strange python
Yeah Zul
stuck shuttle
tough whale
Cause we only get buffed stealth garrote so we want to buff that as much as possible
strange python
You got killed both times it looks like
tough whale
Oh yeah our guild does this dumb shit where they dont break mcs
So they let me jump off the edge on zul
:)))
tough whale
This week first fear.. me and a FERAL DRUID
strange python
Do this
stuck shuttle
"dont dispell friggenheck"
strange python
Get Revelation
tough whale
We also dont do burn strat so I'll never parse
tough whale
I'm gonna run outlaw for zul so I can just grapple back on
lilac coral
or the assholes that stun MC's on zek'voz
jade geyser
I just dont get assassination right now, i played it it all through legion but Im not doing shit now in BFA. MY last parse I had my melee doing my most damage and I never let garrote fall off my main target
strange python
Yeah
thin ingot
are we allowed to meme?
tough whale
Nadem though look on that m mother kill for the room 3 burst
hollow stone
Gentle memeing allowed
thin ingot
alright ill go easy
strange python
Yeah
tough whale
Are you bugging your ss
strange python
Got any logs?
tough whale
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
tough whale
@jade geyser
hollow stone
Prob using garrote on cd 😬
tough whale
It's always been bugged
stuck shuttle
@jade geyser the stacking damage and not CP is inteneded
the damage fall off is a bugg
tough whale
^
strange python
It's a very minor bug all things considered
tough whale
Uh
strange python
We're not losing too much because of it
safe matrix
On single target it's technically not even bugged
strange python
It's just fucking annoying when you fuck up with it
safe matrix
Because you wouldn't want to overwrite it and refresh early to begin with
thin ingot
@safe matrix do you play around clipping envenoms with EP by pooling energy or jsut trying to mantain a high uptime of the buff and starving yourself everytime you can?
royal lantern
its annyoing on aoe cus its easy too do a 4th garrote too fast
steep citrus
so you're saying my g > g > g > g opener in ST is not ideal?
lilac coral
if the 4th garrote was normal but the first three were still emp it wouldn't be so bad
strange python
Well
tough whale
Your 4th garrote would ruin your first 3
lilac coral
AOE situation
strange python
if it worked as intended
lilac coral
not ST
strange python
You could add the 4th garrote on a 4th target
that's the dps you would gain
Which is fuck all
strange python
I know
lone junco
But. The 4th garrote wouldn't be worth using.
strange python
I mean if it actually worked
lone junco
Dpe is shit.
rugged snow
So you triple garrote on opener @tough whale
tough whale
On aoe ues
tough whale
Stealth garrote 3 targets on aoe / m+ trash
strange python
Why wouldn't the 4th garrote be worth it on a 4 target pull
tough whale
Cause itll cancel your first 3
severe niche
tough whale
It bugs ss
strange python
I KNOW THAT
strange python
I was saying if it worked as intended
wintry compass
Subterfuge is bugged for me atm. Garrote on CD out of stealth
cold meteor
I eard the chest 355 from 500 conquest point got a SS trait ?
silver egret
yes
strange python
Say the 4th garrote was a normal garrote but didn't ruin SS
cold meteor
k thanks
strange python
Why wouldn't it be worth it on 4 targets to go G-G-G-R-G
spice surge
@cold meteor Yes, you get to choose between two different chests when you have capped
unreal wraith
if you are hitting a dummy can you reset all abilities so you dont have to sit there and ait for cd's?
spice surge
So dont pick the one without SS
molten jungle
@unreal wraith no
molten jungle
^
stuck shuttle
what is the 355 conquest chest called with SS?
stuck shuttle
i want to sim with gear compare
tough whale
Dread glads tunic?
strange python
Heed is better than gutripper at least
stuck shuttle
if my 370 is worth replacing
tough whale
I think
tough whale
Ye
stuck shuttle
ty
lone junco
@strange python if it worked. SS garrotes are like 100k dmg. Non buffed garrotes are much less than the ruptures. I guess wth 3G and full ruptures and Ct up. Then 4th garrote. Right?
mystic urchin
quick question for opener with SS: Ravenholdt says Garrote Rupture Garrote, so just rupture with 3 cp's essentially right?
strange python
Yeah probably
tough whale
You rupture after first garrote to set up pandemic from your next 5cp rupture
glass vessel
sorry if this has been asked before, i just have never seen anything on it - is there any information on why herodamage and bloodmallet sim certain traits dmg so differently? looking at parses, bloodmallet seems to reflect more accurate/realistic numbers.
strange python
What my point was that even if you could get the 4th garrote without bugging the other 3 it's fuck all damage really
lilac coral
i never got the conquest dagger so who knows when this thing will show up
strange python
It might be worth it but what it all means is that the bug is insignificant
stuck shuttle
@glass vessel could be using different APLs
strange python
it's just annoying
tough whale
You can check the apl each use
spice surge
@lilac coral You cap conquest, go to the quest boi and get it
round harbor
🤔
spice surge
Not very complex
tough whale
Conquest isnt a dagger this week
distant moon
anyone having bugged tricks
mystic urchin
but theres no other benefit for using rupture from stealth, like some dmg increase, you just do it so its not wasted CP's when following with another garrote right?
stuck shuttle
feels fucking bad
tough whale
Its a ss chest
distant moon
invalid target all the time on tricks
tough whale
Bad macro
glass vessel
@stuck shuttle they definitely are. im more curious about which one seems to be more accurate.
stuck shuttle
the agi tho
glass vessel
in most peoples opinions at least
strange python
Blizzard: "ilvl upgrades should never be an upgrade."
Azerite Design Team: "Hold my beer."
spice surge
Idk who maintains bloodmallet
tough whale
Blizzard: bring the player not the class
Wildcard gaming: 4 warriors and 5 locks on taloc? OK
spice surge
Herodamage is maintained by the people in this discord, #tc-updates
lilac coral
my 325 with SS pulls exxtremely close to a 340 which is leagues better than my 370 lol
mortal meadow
does anybody know why the garrote WA on afenarUI has 2 counters? i mean it counts from 6 to 0 despite still being up 12 seconds
lunar current
when do you get the crimson tempest talent? low m+ dungeons or?
mellow pier
@tough whale hasnt been that design philosophy since mop tho
jaunty lotus
garrote having a cooldown is one of the things that annoy me the most on this spec
tough whale
Uh imagine it with no cd
stuck shuttle
the CD used to be longer
glass vessel
it would be completely broken if it didnt
tough whale
Too stronk
stuck shuttle
so be happy
tough whale
Garrote used to be stealth only
stuck shuttle
the CD was like double what it is now
tough whale
Back in my day
jaunty lotus
Yeah, I know
mortal meadow
@tough whale do you know how i can delete the cd timer and just have the duration shown?
wide delta
hey is there a WA to see my buffed dots with Exang?
jaunty lotus
But i really with i could fully dot all the adds on zek
tough whale
Probably under display options? I can check in like 45 when I scrape myself off the couch
Coffee > all
mortal meadow
take your time 😃
tough whale
You can probably just find the WA for garrote and look at text displays
lone junco
Garrote without cd is 2p20. You can still wear it. But garrote is shit out of subterfuge.
tough whale
And get rid of %CD or %t
lone junco
You can play 2ss. 4p20 and still do 20k trash open.
But your FOK hits like a noodle. And like 20k hp loss.
I ran it in daily heroic for lols.
@vestal wren did glaives trinket scale with haste? Tick rate of the storm? Or was that fixed.
tough whale
Speaking of old gear.. yknow that new tank absorb trinket they buffed
It still does less absorb than the mythic emerald nightmare trink
Same cd
vestal wren
i know that fatboms scale with haste
lone junco
Glaives is still bis for cleave in a magical condition where you could use in stacked trash.
vestal wren
not sure about the rest
lone junco
But. The zero gear swap makes it dumb for m+. Ok for m0. Probably ok for raid trash clearing.
stuck shuttle
i wish i could upgrade fathoms to 385
tough whale
I scrapped fathoms FeelsBadMan
vestal wren
i think i like galecallers
stuck shuttle
watching that anchor drop over and over is so satisfying
lone junco
Had to macro it to exang. Due to movement in m+
tough whale
Watching laser matrix pull random shit is funntoo
vestal wren
the positional requirement is for the majority of fights no big issue
well it depends, i guess
tough whale
My 2nd gc always came during winds and our tank for some reason runs the boss to bum fuck egypt
glass vessel
still stuck with a 325 GC feelsbad
lone junco
Last boss in Kings rest runs all over the place. /use 13. /cast exang fixed my prob.
stuck shuttle
i have 330 too
tough whale
The one time I try to anticipate that he doesnt move the boss
stuck shuttle
wtf
tough whale
Spookie?
lone junco
Which
vestal wren
no the other salty dude
glass vessel
ran 5 9+ shrine yesterday and got azerite power for all of them lol. rekt
abstract urchin
hey, is Twist the Knife bugged? it does not seem to extend the duration of envenom
vestal wren
that was not in for the first part of the stream
spice surge
Did you crit? @abstract urchin
abstract urchin
yes
vestal wren
ye ylaijo
glass vessel
@lone junco i actually just looked at his armory and he still has a 340 GC
abstract urchin
i critted 50+ times on dummies to test it
and it hasnt procced once to extend it
glass vessel
unless he jsut got it and hasnt relogged
lone junco
I had to talk to him. His m+ steam cleave was like 12k.
vestal wren
so he got it
tough whale
On the bright side dice is easy to farm for cause freehold is a joke
glass vessel
sheeeeiiit
abstract urchin
Has anyone else tested twist the knife
glass vessel
shark toss fucker is a pubstomper
lone junco
Probably farmed it.
stuck shuttle
i wish I had time to farm M+ gear
wintry compass
Is the revenholdt opener still right?
stuck shuttle
yes
tough whale
You pull everything in the Harlan sweete room and they just suicide themselves
Csuse painful motivation scales off of m+ %
stuck shuttle
do you suicide at the end or just run them into cannon
tough whale
You get a mage or hunter or pally
They pull it all then immunity
Let them cast 2 painfuls when they're all stacked on you
Then run or die and they just tick to death
1 debuff did 55% of the mobs hp in 6s
potent forge
unreal bear
can you LoS?
strange python
Damn - 3 traits of shroud and you do goooood dammmmuuuuge.
spice surge
@abstract urchin 🤷 Idk what you are talking about, it works fine for me
tough whale
2 shroud 1 laser/archive is also fat
zealous lily
thoughts on how many targets if ever make it worth it to envenom with low CP and then fok fok?
zealous lily
i mean in an encounter like mother
when the ads die almost instantly and you wouldn't run CT
tough whale
Never the adds dont live long enough
zealous lily
so weird edge case
i found my damage went up more on the ads when i envenom fok foked but that's compared to doing like... nothing
tough whale
Dp wont do damage to targets alive for 2seconds
So low envenom does nothing
Just fok
oblique juniper
does heed my call stack?
tough whale
Eh
tough whale
I honestly didn't even touch the adds
spice surge
All traits stack, the damage always stacks @oblique juniper
oblique juniper
ty
strange python
I run 2 heeds and 1 wirl
exotic abyss
My 3 shroud beats 2 shroud and a 370 archive
stuck shuttle
i never swapped to adds on Mother
tough whale
I was in the group the boss came over with so I just fok and re ruptured boss
tough whale
Gross
unreal bear
i'd sooner die than kill adds